In light of more and more new HD DVDs having a True-HD track, I thought it would be useful to have a thread with a list of all the HD DVDs with True-HD. Hopefully we can keep this updated.

As of 10/30/07

2001
300
Accepted
Alpha Dog
Batman Begins
Black Christmas
Blood Diamond
Blue Planet
Carlito's Way
Carlito's Way: Rise To Power
Clerks II
A Clockwork Orange
Constantine
Darkman
Dawn of the Dead
The Departed
Digital Video Essentials HD
End of Days
Evening
Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas
Feast
For Love of the Game
Full Metal Jacket
The Getaway
Happy Feet
Harsh Times
Heart - Alive in Seattle
Inside Man
Lady in the Water
The Last Starfighter
Letters from Iwo Jima
Lost City
Manilow Live!
The Ultimate Matrix Collection
The Complete Matrix Trilogy
Next
Nine Inch Nails Live - Beside You in Time
Notting Hill
Nutty Professor 2: The Klumps
Patch Adams
The Perfect Storm
The Phantom of the Opera
Poseidon
Pulse
Purple Rain
School for Scoundrels
Seed of Chucky
The Shining
Superman Returns
The Reaping
TMNT
Top Gun
Training Day
Troy - Director's Cut
Troy
Twilight Zone - The Movie
V for Vendetta
The War
We Are Marshall
The Wicker Man
Wings of Honneamise
The World's Fastest Indian

2. Carlito's Way
3. A Clockwork Orange
4. 2001: A Space Odyssey
5. Eyes Wide Shut
6. The Shining
7. Full Metal Jacket: Deluxe Edition
8. Dawn Of The Dead

http://www.hddvdstats.com/

http://www.hddvdstats.com/

Thanks! I wish I had known about that site before.

It may also be worth tracking (1) what kind of lossless, such as TrueHD, PCM, DTS-HD/MA; (2) whether it is 48/16, 48/20, 48/24, or 96/24; (3) what the master is (48/16 ...) assuming that information is available.

It may also be worth tracking (1) what kind of lossless, such as TrueHD, PCM, DTS-HD/MA; (2) whether it is 48/16, 48/20, 48/24, or 96/24; (3) what the master is (48/16 ...) assuming that information is available.

Well the list right now is all lossless TrueHD. I don't think HD DVD has DTS-HD/MA (isn't that only on BD right now?). As far as PCM, that's just the output of the player when decoding lossless and outputting over HDMI, correct?

As far as 2 and 3, I'd have no idea how to get that information. But if someone else has it, feel free to share! :D

Great site, thanks for the link!

Meet the Fockers made more in the box office than King Kong, or Batman Returns? Frightening.

-JR

Well the list right now is all lossless TrueHD. I don't think HD DVD has DTS-HD/MA (isn't that only on BD right now?). As far as PCM, that's just the output of the player when decoding lossless and outputting over HDMI, correct?


I believe many of the European HD-DVD imports have DTS-HD/MA. The HD-DVD "Mozart: Die Zauberflote" being released this week is PCM 5.1. Most are TrueHD, but there are some exceptions.

Don't settle for TrueHD.

Demand DTS-MA.

It may also be worth tracking (1) what kind of lossless, such as TrueHD, PCM, DTS-HD/MA; (2) whether it is 48/16, 48/20, 48/24, or 96/24; (3) what the master is (48/16 ...) assuming that information is available.

PCM is not lossless, it's uncompressed.

PCM is not lossless, it's uncompressed.

Actually it is lossless and uncompressed. Whereas TrueHD/DTS-MA is lossless and compressed.

Don't settle for TrueHD.

Demand DTS-MA.
I've seen you say this several places - what exactly is the benefit of one lossless track over the other? Or do you just like the DTS logo better? :)

The Shining has it, but I couldn't find the theatrical release 2.0 soundtrack on the HD DVD....did I just miss it somewhere?

Don't settle for TrueHD.

Demand DTS-MA.
Fan of film, not formats.


I see contradiction in your sig. Also after decoding TrueHD and DTS-HD Master are 100% bit for bit the same LPCM data (sans DN). Since DTS-HD Master decoding or bitstream is not widely available on HD DVD why would you "demand" it?:confused:

Don't settle for TrueHD.

Demand DTS-MA.

Could you expound a bit?

Evan almighty doesn't have TrueHD

Could you expound a bit?

Certainly. DTS-MA sounds better to my ears. I know that HD DVD player don't support it really and that is a major fault keeping me from buying an SA. As for my sig, it is to qualify that my statements do not have a bias to BD or HDDVD. Everyone know DTS kicked the pants off of dolby last gen and will do so again this gen. Listen to one of the DTS-HD (DD+, but better) on an HD import and let me know how you feel.

Dolby labs really gets a pass here when you guys like to bash every other monopoly. They don't provide the best product, yet they are required on every HD DVD and DVD.

Thx 4 starting this thread!
(although I had hoped there would be no need for such a thing; re: all titles w/TrueHD)

Dolby labs really gets a pass here when you guys like to bash every other monopoly. They don't provide the best product, yet they are required on every HD DVD and DVD.
We HAD to have SOME kind of soundtrack for HD DVD!!! :rolleyes:
And once again, like SD DVD, DTS was LATE to the table.
Don't blame Dolby for meeting the deadline.
Blame DTS, again, for NOT meeting the deadline! :(

Which titles have you directly compared Dolby (Meridian) TrueHD against DTS HD Master?
Thanks.

EDitEDbyED:
It would be NEAT as well to have a DTS HD Master HD DVD list!

Certainly. DTS-MA sounds better to my ears. I know that HD DVD player don't support it really and that is a major fault keeping me from buying an SA. As for my sig, it is to qualify that my statements do not have a bias to BD or HDDVD. Everyone know DTS kicked the pants off of dolby last gen and will do so again this gen. Listen to one of the DTS-HD (DD+, but better) on an HD import and let me know how you feel.

Dolby labs really gets a pass here when you guys like to bash every other monopoly. They don't provide the best product, yet they are required on every HD DVD and DVD.

Maybe I don't know enough about your 360 add-on and Bose system, but does the 360 even output the full DTS-HD? :confused: Maybe I'm just behind on the 360's updates this summer/fall.

Maybe I don't know enough about your 360 add-on and Bose system, but does the 360 even output the full DTS-HD? :confused: Maybe I'm just behind on the 360's updates this summer/fall.

:rolleyes:See how I said "sounds better to my ears". Not "sounds better in a perfectly controlled scientific study".

I am happy to be the first to get flamed (as I predicted) for the Ghetto HD thread I started. Take'n one for the team is fine by me.

There is an audible difference, on my system, in the DTS-HD track of Band of Brothers, compared to the DD+ on Letters From Iwo Jima. Best comparison I can come up with. Probley because the DTS passes 96/24 and dolby nowhere near.

Bose is overpriced but in no way a bad speaker maker.

Did DTS every "touch you guys" in your special place when you were little? If so than I agree that you should bash them. If DTS did not do this, than just listen to the difference and wish that the DVD forum would have had an ounce of common sense when deciding the format standards. The spec is complete, but apparently a little flawed.

No, I was asking how you can say personally that something is inherently better without experiencing it firsthand.

Now why on Earth are you comparing BoB's DTS-HD track to Iwo Jima's DD+ track? I just don't even understand what you're arguing or even with whom you are arguing by introducing two different films with different soundtracks as some sort of evidence of a Dolby versus DTS conspiracy.

For what it's worth, I love DTS, and actively sought every DTS LD and 1509kbps DVD available. I even have a DTS plaque in my bookcase. I don't know why you went into attack mode.

Speaking of attack mode, I'm certainly not flaming you about your equipment. I'm also not going to lie and say that I've read the specs on what it's able to do-- hence, the question about DTS-HD between your 360 add-on and Bose system.

Edit: Ah, I read your history and saw you have an Onkyo receiver. Based on the equipment list in your profile, I thought your Bose thing was a whole system (like receiver+speakers), instead of just speakers.

For what it's worth, I love DTS, and actively sought every DTS LD and 1509kbps DVD available. I even have a DTS plaque in my bookcase. I don't know why you went into attack mode.

Speaking of attack mode, I'm not flaming you about your equipment, but I'm also not going to lie and say that I've read the specs on what it's able to do. Hence, the question about DTS-HD between the 360 add-on and the Bose system.

I was kinda waiting for some one to call me out and you were the first. No offense Nate. I'm not sure if your receiver can decode lossless tracks, but mine is the gen right before that and is probley my best quality piece of equipment. Would you not prefer DTS-HD over DD+?

Dolby has a major racket going on over here. DTS is a must for any optical release in any other country in the world, maybe not Cambodia. Here in America we have told studios that Dolby is fine (by way of not pushing for more DTS tracks) which now sucks for the consumer.

DTS-HD and MA were not available when HD DVD launched because the company knows there will be a demand for the codecs worldwide and does not need to rush one out the door. Am I saying DD+ and TrueHD sound like crap? No. I just think the DTS options sounds better on my system as well as my brother-in-laws full HD (PQ and AQ) Hi-$$$$ system.

...DTS-HD and MA were not available when HD DVD launched because the company knows there will be a demand for the codecs worldwide and does not need to rush one out the door....

Revisionist history or just ill informed. DTS-HD Master was not completed when HD DVD was released because DTS was little behind schedule. Do you remember DVD's release and the big DTS fiasco or is that before your time? Also it did not even have the name DTS-HD Master.

Plus in order to fill a consumer demand you must get your product to market ASAP.

...[/B] Am I saying DD+ and TrueHD sound like crap? No. I just think the DTS options sounds better on my system as well as my brother-in-laws full HD (PQ and AQ) Hi-$$$$ system.


Here is DTS-HD Master (after decoding), TrueHD (after decoding), and LPCM. Can you look and tell which one is which? How do you hear the difference when there is none?

A. 010011100100100010001110000100000100001000001110001
B. 010011100100100010001110000100000100001000001110001
C. 010011100100100010001110000100000100001000001110001

Revisionist history or justt ill informed. DTS-HD Master was not completed when HD DVD was released because DTS is always a little behind. Do you remember DVD or is that before your time? Also it did not even have the name DTS-HD Master.

Thats what I said.

No, I can see no binary difference but my ears can hear a difference and my sub can really tell the difference.

Thats what I said.

No, I can see no binary difference but my ears can hear a difference and my sub can really tell the difference.

Did you ever consider that may be because they are two different movies? I'm not biased on this, as I've never heard either True-HD (getting an Onkyo 705 shortly, hence why I made this thread) or DTS Master Audio.

Thats what I said.

No, I can see no binary difference but my ears can hear a difference and my sub can really tell the difference.

can you post your setup? amp? player?

Thats what I said.

No, I can see no binary difference but my ears can hear a difference and my sub can really tell the difference.

Then you need to calibrate all of your inputs so they are the same because something is askew.

Also what HD DVD and/or BD have you found the same DTS-HD Master and TrueHD soundtracks to compare? Please list the player(s) you have that is decoding DTS-HD, the receiver, and the type(s) of inputs?

Evan almighty doesn't have TrueHD

Thanks, I'll fix the list. It was sort of odd because it ended up at the top of the alphabet when sorted with TrueHD.

Kamspy,

Don't be defensive. You may feel you're being attacked here, but it's because you came in and made a sweeping statement along the lines of "Don't settle for Dolby TrueHD, demand DTS:HD!" then backed it up with "it sounds better to my ears".

That's all well and good, but the only true comparison between the two formats could be if one release featured both formats. Comparing one war movie's DTS soundtrack versus another war movie's DD+ soundtrack is no comparison at all, since they're different films, with different masters, mixed by different people.

I agree, I'd like the choice, but I don't think there's any evidence at this time to back up the idea that DTS:MA is somehow any better or worse than DD's formats.

How can I compare DD+ with DTS-HD if there are no titles that offer both tracks?

Letters and BoB was the closest comparison I could find in my library(WWII, not lossless), and the DTS was hands down better.

Any DTS-MA tracks will blow away anything I have heard from FalseHD

Here is DTS-HD Master (after decoding), TrueHD (after decoding), and LPCM. Can you look and tell which one is which? How do you hear the difference when there is none?

A. 010011100100100010001110000100000100001000001110001
B. 010011100100100010001110000100000100001000001110001
C. 010011100100100010001110000100000100001000001110001

I pick C, which is obviously the raw PCM version. Second would be B, the DTS-MA that sounds almost as good. Last place is A, the TrueHD. Now that I've revealed the various encodes/formats between those three choices, I'm sure everyone else can finally see the difference.

"Listen, did you smell that"? <- Ghost Busters.

How can I compare DD+ with DTS-HD if there are no titles that offer both tracks?

Letters and BoB was the closest comparison I could find in my library(WWII, not lossless), and the DTS was hands down better.

Any DTS-MA tracks will blow away anything I have heard from FalseHD

That's the point - nobody can determine at this point whether one format or the other is better, since there's no true A/B comparison that can be done.

Theres gotta be an import that has dts-HD and the stateside release has DD+. I know that FOX is the only studio I know of to support the dts-MA, so the +vs.-hd version will have to do.

Ah HA! I have found ONE! The Terminator 2 import has dts-HD and the Blu-Ray has DD+. I shall netflick the BD version and compare. Both players are hooked up via optical so there will be no connection bias, and since I am comparing the + and the -hd, I do believe optical is fine for these codecs.

Don't settle for TrueHD.

Demand DTS-MA.
You've heard neither. This won't change as long as your players are connected via optical.

Come back when you have some actual real-world experience with these next-gen codecs. :rolleyes:

You've heard neither. This won't change as long as your players are connected via optical.

Come back when you have some actual real-world experience with these next-gen codecs. :rolleyes:



Refer to the post where I reference hearing all the lossless codecs at my B-in-laws house. Where he has a fully compatible receiver and reference quality speakers. We spend a lot of time there analyzing these new codecs, and bickering over the differences. We came out with a strong love for PCM uncompd and DTS-MA. TrueHD really underwhelmed when compared(On most titles). Now, I will acknowledge that we have yet to compare DTS-MA to TrueHD 1:1 because there is no title available with both tracks.:D

I did post on comparing DTS-HD and DD+ which do pass via optical. :cool:

I did post on comparing DTS-HD and DD+ which do pass via optical. :cool:

No they don't.

With DTS-HD, you get the core (1.5Mbps DTS.) With DD+, you get whatever your player converts it to - generally either DTS or legacy DD. Either way, the only way to hear DD+, DTHD, or DTS-HD (HR or MA,) is by using analog or HDMI.

BTW - comparing different movies' soundtracks is an exercise in futility. At the end of the day, the only thing you've compared are the sound designs of the two films - nothing more.

No they don't.

That would be calling Onkyo a liar, not me.

That would be calling Onkyo a liar, not me.
I don't care who I call a liar - facts are facts and the facts in this case tell me that you can't pass DD+ or DTS-HD via optical. You can convert them or (in the case of DTS-HD) extract a core, but you can't listen to the advanced audio codecs - unaltered - using optical. You should really read up on these codecs (especially if you're going to make bold statements like the ones in this thread.)

Oh, and Onkyo told another poster (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12002944#post12002944) that the Panasonic BD-10 couldn't decode DTHD. They are liars.

Refer to the post where I reference hearing all the lossless codecs at my B-in-laws house. Where he has a fully compatible receiver and reference quality speakers. We spend a lot of time there analyzing these new codecs, and bickering over the differences. We came out with a strong love for PCM uncompd and DTS-MA. TrueHD really underwhelmed when compared(On most titles). Now, I will acknowledge that we have yet to compare DTS-MA to TrueHD 1:1 because there is no title available with both tracks.
I searched but didn't find it. Can you provide a link to the post?

How can I compare DD+ with DTS-HD if there are no titles that offer both tracks?
That would be irrelevant to the issue of TrueHD vs DTS HDMA.

I searched but didn't find it. Can you provide a link to the post?


That would be irrelevant to the issue of TrueHD vs DTS HDMA.

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Onkyo SR-TX805 to be exact on his receiver. Spent many hours over there comparing the new codecs, albeit never a 1:1 dts-ma vs. TrueHD, as no title has both options yet.

Spent many hours over there comparing the new codecs, albeit never a 1:1 dts-ma vs. TrueHD, as no title has both options yet.

Comparing the DTS-HD MA track for one movie to the DTHD track of a completely different movie will give you no meaningful data about the codecs used for either track. You understand that, right? You and your brother-in-law have "spent many hours" comparing the sound designs of various movies.

Yes. I understand this.
It is our OPINION that the DTS-MA tracks sound richer than the TrueHD tracks.

Yes. I understand this.
It is our OPINION that the DTS-MA tracks sound richer than the TrueHD tracks.

Kamspy, I know you don't agree, but I'll say it anyway. The only way to get a realistic evaluation of which is better is to do an A/B/X test with someone else switching the audio codec on a disc that offers both formats.

Since your player is having to convert these formats to transmit over optical anyway, what you could be evaluating in all reality is the transcoding capabilities of your HD player.

I did post on comparing DTS-HD and DD+ which do pass via optical.
Wrong. Only lossy/core codecs and stereo PCM pass via S/PDIF.

The only way to get a realistic evaluation of which is better is to do an A/B/X test with someone else switching the audio codec on a disc that offers both formats.

At the very least, you compare lossless to lossless, not MA and DD+. And you certainly don't do it over optical.

Yes. I understand this.
It is our OPINION that the DTS-MA tracks sound richer than the TrueHD tracks.

Your statements seem to contradict one another. On the one hand, you claim to understand that comparing tracks from different movies will tell you nothing about the abilities of the codecs used. On the other hand, you're using "data" that you've drawn from these flawed (and completely useless) comparisons to conclude that DTS-HD MA is superior to DTHD.

Good luck with that... :rolleyes:

Satana, Hyms for Peace has both DTS-HD and DD+. To be honest, couldn't hear a difference. I'll go back and check them out again but I don't think I'll find a difference.

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Onkyo SR-TX805 to be exact on his receiver. Spent many hours over there comparing the new codecs, albeit never a 1:1 dts-ma vs. TrueHD, as no title has both options yet.

This is post 23: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12060632&postcount=23

I cannot find any discussion of your listening tests, the setup, equipment, connections, discs, which soundtracks, etc. Maybe you never detailed that information anywhere. I'm just trying to confirm how you played a DTS-HDMA track and a TrueHD track, even if they were from two different movies.

Where he has a fully compatible receiver and reference quality speakers.

I didn't know the acoustimass 30 was out already?