View Full Version : Anyone had their displays ISF calibrated recently?


mrlogs
10-30-07, 11:14 AM
Just curious..I'm waiting to have mine done...:)

Michael TLV
10-30-07, 11:20 AM
Greetings

Just make sure the person has the right equipment and knows what he is doing.

also realize that people can't promise you things over the phone without actually knowing what your tV image actually looks like.

Will you see a difference?
Cannot be addressed by discussions over the phone or email.
Cannot be addressed unless the calibrator can see the world through your eyes.


Will you like what a calibrated image looks like?
This is about making the image look as accurate as possible. You liking it has nothing to do with the process. This is about making 2+2=4 ... you don't get to say that you don't like the answer. It is not relevant to the service.

Regards

mrlogs
10-30-07, 11:26 AM
Gregg Loewen will be doing mine sometime soon I think..I have a new Sony 52XBR5, and just bought a Sony BDP-S500 Blu-Ray player..plus I have Direct TV HD...

mrlogs
10-30-07, 11:36 AM
I was just wondering if anyone had their's done lately, and what the result was....:)

Michael TLV
10-30-07, 11:43 AM
Greetings

The results are: A more accurate image versus what they started out watching.

How big that difference is depends on how you have the TV set up today ... versus where it ends up. Only you know that.

Also depends on the type of person you are. Small differences to some people are night and day ... and huge differences to others are "m'eh!"

Clients that follow the process from beginning to end and ask lots of questions and have the hows and whys explained will like the end result ... not only because it is more accurate, but because they have a better understanding of just why the image is now better.

regards

David Abrams
10-30-07, 01:56 PM
mrlogs,

We have worked on several of the Sony 52XBR5s lately and have had superb results. Though, as Michael stated, the difference will vary from system to system.

Good Pictures! :)

Dave

Shadowknight
10-30-07, 03:23 PM
While not lately, I had my Insignia NS-27HTV done 9 months ago.

Night and day difference.

Of course, part of that was because the calibrator told me it was one of the worst factory-calibrated sets he'd ever seen. I mean, red push was so bad that in the black and white test patterns I saw a difference.

I also got a significant improvement last week, when I finally updated my A-2's firmware, getting rid of that annoying black crush.

ThomasV555
10-31-07, 12:05 AM
I think it's hilarious, that you got an Insignia calibrated.

mrlogs
10-31-07, 07:07 AM
Gregg just contacted me..will be by next Wednesday..Can't wait...:)

GeorgeAB
10-31-07, 09:53 AM
I think it's hilarious, that you got an Insignia calibrated.
No television made can produce its best image without a thorough calibration service. Even a cheap knife cuts better when it's sharpened.

If the reason you bought a TV is to enjoy the image it produces, calibration will provide the best image fidelity the device is capable of. I don't see the humor in someone wanting the TV they can afford to work up to its full potential.

Shadowknight
10-31-07, 12:21 PM
No television made can produce its best image without a thorough calibration service. Even a cheap knife cuts better when it's sharpened.

If the reason you bought a TV is to enjoy the image it produces, calibration will provide the best image fidelity the device is capable of. I don't see the humor in someone wanting the TV they can afford to work up to its full potential.

I know some people think it's silly, but:
A) It was a steal for an entry-level set at $260 last year at Black Friday
B) The calibrator (Rand Thomalson, passed away this year and associated with LionAV) was surprised, saying that the image was better than a Sony CRT.
B) I get OCD sometimes, and I found out about ISF calibration after the fact, and had to find out what the deal was.

I did use AVIA, but it only helped so much because again, the factory calibration sucked. It's a bit small for viewing (equivalent of a 22" 720/1080i set in widescreen mode) but it's going to last me until I have the cash, space, and couch for a dedicated viewing room with a 50-60" screen.

What vaguely annoys me is that this was a case where Best Buy actually had a GREAT product for the price, but they did such a terrible job with the factory adjustments that it looked like trash. The one I got was too red out of the box, and some of the other ones I've seen on the floor looked urine-yellow.

Gregg Loewen
10-31-07, 01:52 PM
urine-yellow

Now that must be a new 2ndary color...perhaps in the BSTC color space ??

Mr Logs...see you next Wednesday!!!

:-)

Gregg

mrlogs
10-31-07, 02:14 PM
Looking forward to it Gregg! :)
...Tom

Sandr
11-02-07, 09:15 AM
I was wondering what would be the best to do; I have to choose between someone who is local and someone who is traveling from afar. I know nothing about either of them technically as far as how good their work is and so would appreciate any suggestions on how to make the final decision. Would it be better to get someone who is local in the event that there was a problem later that they could return and adjust it? How can you know the qualifications of each without understanding the technology? A listing of their tools really doesn't mean anything if you're not familiar with the process. I have to make a decision soon so I can let them know. Any thoughts will be appreciated.
Thanks, Sandr

GeorgeAB
11-02-07, 09:20 AM
All else being equal, local is usually better. However, you haven't provided enough specifics to offer any further analysis.

Michael TLV
11-02-07, 10:37 AM
Greetings

If we actually knew what TV you have ... and the testing equipment involved and the people as well ... it would help.

regards

JohnnyG
11-02-07, 11:02 AM
I calibrated a couple of Prima plasma screens we have here (Prima and Insignia are the same across most of the product line) with terrific results.

Calibration can actually make an inexpensive display look better than a pricier non-calibrated unit.

Sandr
11-02-07, 12:48 PM
I have a Panasonic 50/600 Plasma about a year old.

These are some of the equipment of the individual calibrators.

(1) Sencore VP300, VP403 and Accupel HDG3000 pattern generators

Progressive Labs CA6X color analyzer

Gregtag MacBeth Eye One, with Accucal color analyzer software

Sony PVM96 D65 monitor - optical comparator

I2C interface; convergence templates; DVE and Ovation Avia calibration DVDs; DVE D-Theater calibration D-VHS; Hitachi 100Mhz oscilloscope; Sencore SP295 audio analyzer; Leader audio generator; and Pico AD216 audio spectrum analyzer.

(2): Accupel HDG-3000 reference standard digital/analog signal generator, the ColorFacts 7.0 calibration suite, including the Gretag-Macbeth Eye-One spectroradiometer and the Spyder Platinum tri-stimulus probe; the Progressive Labs calibration suite, including the C-5, the CA-6X and CA-1 tri-stimulus probes; the Sencore VP-300 reference standard analog signal generator; and the ISF Color Comparator. As part of the ColorFacts suite, I am able to fully interact with the Pioneer C3 calibration interface, as well as other brands supporting the ISF’s C3 system.

I also possess the hardware and software needed to read and write via the i2c bus used in late-model Mitsubishi CRT rear-projection systems.

I really don't know what any of this equipment is to be able to judge who is better equipped.

Sandr

GeorgeAB
11-02-07, 12:57 PM
Both are well-equipped. Ask if they have worked on your specific TV and if they can supply references from those specific customers, or equivalents.

mrlogs
11-08-07, 07:14 AM
Gregg Loewen just calibrated my 52XBR5 & it look's fantastic! It went from what I thought was "OK" to perfection.. Great job guy!..Thanks Gregg!:D
Tom / Baltimore

slumpey326
11-08-07, 07:36 AM
does gregg come to nyc, how can I get ahold of him

mrlogs
11-08-07, 07:57 AM
http://www.lionav.com/mgreggloewen.php