I recieved confirmation that my projector arrives tomorrow. Who's next?

I get mine on saturday. I went with regular ground shipping....and i'm in CA

Alan Gouger and myself will be firing up this little toy as soon as i can get it in my hands.

Alan Gouger and myself will be firing up this little toy as soon as i can get it in my hands.

Looking forward to your review or impressions.

Looking forward to them as well.

My red Sim2 C3X 1080 visits me tonight.

My red Sim2 C3X 1080 visits me tonight.

No one likes a braggart... well almost no one. Where do you live, and can I come see it! :)

Only I can see it because it's in my dreams! :D

My D-Day is Thursday Nov. 1st.............we'll see if it'll lives up to all the hype............unfortunately, in life, things rarely do.

Lebron James.

Hype is all about perception.

Santa Claus is coming . . . . .

Alan Gouger and myself will be firing up this little toy as soon as i can get it in my hands.

I'll be able to give my impressions, maybe Alan will do a comprehensive review if he wishes. I will be able to do a side by side comparsion of the ae2000 with panny ae 100, the sim c3x and sony vpl 100. Hope it meets all the hype! If your in Rochester new york, yes, drop me a note.

Here's the review...Exactly like the PT-AE1000U only brighter...with slightly better blacks...:D:D:D

Santa Claus is coming . . . . .
Happy Halloween! :)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1562824112.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

P.S. I've had the little brother to the AE2000U now for several weeks... shipped from the US... and Panasonic Canada (http://panasonic.ca/english/audiovideo/television/homecinema/index.asp) still doesn't acknowledge the AX200U's existence, or the existence of the AE2000U either. Oh and my local shop still wants CAD$4999.99 (US$5243) for the AE1000U. What a joke.

i also have ax200u, superior PJ for price

Just got the ae2000, will post info in short while, still unpacking!

We expect an indepth review comparing it to all models past and present within the hour! Go GO GOOO!

We expect an indepth review comparing it to all models past and present within the hour! Go GO GOOO!

And it should be calibrated prior to your comparisons. The lamp should also be burned in around 50-100 hours. We're expecting your report by 6PM.

Very good to hear...finally an actual account to what it's like other then waiting for more reviews....

Unboxing pics?

I hope someone does an in depth comparison with the AE2000 and the new Sanyo........want to see if that extra $500 was worth it.

TheHDMan, that's all it dose better.

TheHDMan, that's all it dose better.

Seriously what? All I've read from you is how the Sanyo is better...

I posted this to the Panny official thread as well:)

dragonleepenn just left my house. He stopped by for a quick viewing. Thanks

This was by no means enough time to put it through its paces but I just wanted to get a quick
look at how this looks. Im sure hes home spending the afternoon installing this on his ceiling and will report later tonight or tomorrow.

I only had HD cable via HDMI as source. I was truly impressed. We threw an image 8 feet wide. There was so much in the menu we did not bother changing anything so what we saw was right out of the box.
It kills my AE700. I walked right up to the screen and no visible pixel structure at all, none. The SS did not in any way soften the image. It was very sharp. Black level and on/off looked better then my VW100 to my eye. I could not believe I was looking at LCD. Man these things have come a long way. Sorry I do not have more.
Im sure there will be more detailed reports from others coming soon but this projector is a winner. Enjoy your protectors

Sounds awesome! Thanks for the report!

I posted this to the Panny official thread as well:)

dragonleepenn just left my house. He stopped by for a quick viewing. Thanks

This was by no means enough time to put it through its paces but I just wanted to get a quick
look at how this looks. Im sure hes home spending the afternoon installing this on his ceiling and will report later tonight or tomorrow.

I only had HD cable via HDMI as source. I was truly impressed. We threw an image 8 feet wide. There was so much in the menu we did not bother changing anything so what we saw was right out of the box.
It kills my AE700. I walked right up to the screen and no visible pixel structure at all, none. The SS did not in any way soften the image. It was very sharp. Black level and on/off looked better then my VW100 to my eye. I could not believe I was looking at LCD. Man these things have come a long way. Sorry I do not have more.
Im sure there will be more detailed reports from others coming soon but this projector is a winner. Enjoy your protectors
Did you see a major improvement over the AE1000U?

Did you see a major improvement over the AE1000U?

Sorry I have never seen the AE1000U. This damn thing looked great though right out of the box. Great contrast, black level and sharpness. LCD is really coming along.

It kills my AE700.

I guess it's nearly time to replace my trusty AE700. Glad you like your new FP.

I walked right up to the screen and no visible pixel structure at all, none. The SS did not in any way soften the image. It was very sharp. Black level and on/off looked better then my VW100 to my eye.


Even if you would have said black level is near the VW100 I would have been impressed. Sounds like a winner at that price!

Sorry I have never seen the AE1000U. This damn thing looked great though right out of the box. Great contrast, black level and sharpness. LCD is really coming along.

.Who is going to start a tweak thread for the ae2000 or will one even be needed:D

Even if you would have said black level is near the VW100 I would have been impressed. Sounds like a winner at that price!

How does the black level of the VW100 compares to the better DLP units ?

Sorry I have never seen the AE1000U. This damn thing looked great though right out of the box. Great contrast, black level and sharpness. LCD is really coming along.

Alan, but do you think the PQ is an improvement over your VW100?







How does the black level of the VW100 compares to the better DLP units ?
Higher end DLP has better black level as does the RS1

Even if you would have said black level is near the VW100 I would have been impressed. Sounds like a winner at that price!If Alan is still running his "brightness tweaks" on his Ruby, he is not getting the same on/off and thus black levels as a standard Ruby!

If Alan is still running his "brightness tweaks" on his Ruby, he is not getting the same on/off and thus black levels as a standard Ruby!

He's upped the RGB gain in the service menu?

Actually, if the VW60 suppose to be an improvement over the VW100 in terms of black levels, then it is not surprising that Alan found the black levels of the AE2000 better than the VW100's, because PC already found in their A/B comparison that the black levels of the AE2000 are better than those of the VW60.

Actually I plan to do a good A/B comparison between the WV60 and the new Panny. Not that I don't believe what I read from PC. but I have found many of their "reviews" unreliable.

I agree. But from what it sounds like, reliable sources like Alan may confirm this machine is a winner (for the value).

I wish I woiuld have spent more time with the 2k. I did not have my 100 hooked up
at the time to compare. The 2k did indeed look very good but unless comparing side by side I should not have said the blacks were better then the 100 but it does look very good and is not a weakness. I also walked right up to the screen and there is zero pixel structure. What ever they are doing I wish DLP would use the same trick.

I just spoke to dragonleepenn and he has his 2k ceiling mounted and he is now tweaking it. f he did not like it I was going to take it off his hands bu sadly he likes it so I wont be playing with a new projector this weekend.
He said he will make a post shortly.

Was that a yes? :D

I have no doubt is is the best bang for the buck pj on the market now. But saying it is all around better than other pjs that cost somewhat more is very subjective. I would prefer paying a little more and having panel alignment adjustments for convergence but that's just me. :) I just tweaked the WV60 to give me what I think is the absolute best Black level I can get from it and it is deep and inky. Much nicer than the Ruby. I think we will all find these pjs to have their strengths and weaknesses. It is now time to start looking at features and options because pic Q wise they are all getting close! :eek:

The 2k did indeed look very good but unless comparing side by side I should not have said the blacks were better then the 100 but it does look very good and is not a weakness

Cine4home phrased it ideally, after watching the Epson UB which shares the D7 panels with the AE2000 (translated by BabelFish from german):

The black worked really darkly and disturbed the film enterprise no longer

I have no doubt is is the best bang for the buck pj on the market now. But saying it is all around better than other pjs that cost somewhat more is very subjective. I would prefer paying a little more and having panel alignment adjustments for convergence but that's just me. :) I just tweaked the WV60 to give me what I think is the absolute best Black level I can get from it and it is deep and inky. Much nicer than the Ruby. I think we will all find these pjs to have their strengths and weaknesses. It is now time to start looking at features and options because pic Q wise they are all getting close! :eek:

why do you have to **** in every thread about the 2000, we get it you got a black pearl...there are plenty of threads dedicated to that projector. move on

why do you have to **** in every thread about the 2000, we get it you got a black pearl...there are plenty of threads dedicated to that projector. move on

Um..truffle...maybe i reread something...but it didn't sound like he was being too negative. In fact he said it was the best bang for the buck projector and that he felt like others achieved, after some work, better black levels.

It sounds like a pretty fair assessment.

Congrats on the new projector. It sounds like you have some fun nights ahead of you.

Just a quick caveat for other posters who suggested comparisons to "older" projectors. Remember that bulb life will play a big role in any contest like that. One can't really make a good comparison unless you fit the old projector with a new bulb and have them both calibrated as best you can.

why do you have to **** in every thread about the 2000, we get it you got a black pearl...there are plenty of threads dedicated to that projector. move on

You're being a little harsh aren't you?

why do you have to **** in every thread about the 2000, we get it you got a black pearl...there are plenty of threads dedicated to that projector. move on

Actually it was Alan who brought up the VW100 in this thread, and I made the connection to the VW60, only then joerod gave his opinion.

Just a quick caveat for other posters who suggested comparisons to "older" projectors. Remember that bulb life will play a big role in any contest like that. One can't really make a good comparison unless you fit the old projector with a new bulb and have them both calibrated as best you can.

Bulb aging can significantly affect brightness, but I didn't know it can dramamtically change contrast, color accuracy and sharpness.

Yes, it was unfair for me to mention the VW100 because it was not a side by side. Please forget I brought that up, I still love my 100 and it has very rich deep colors with a lot of shadow detail in the dark scenes. It is impossible to make an accurate judgment call looking at something new out of box for ten minutes and add to that not directly A/Bing.

I have no doubt is is the best bang for the buck pj on the market now. But saying it is all around better than other pjs that cost somewhat more is very subjective. I would prefer paying a little more and having panel alignment adjustments for convergence but that's just me. :) I just tweaked the WV60 to give me what I think is the absolute best Black level I can get from it and it is deep and inky. Much nicer than the Ruby. I think we will all find these pjs to have their strengths and weaknesses. It is now time to start looking at features and options because pic Q wise they are all getting close! :eek:


With the sony you better have panel alignment adjustment,Because as we all know with Sony 'they are all over the place.Every fp should have this IMHO:)

Geez, I wasn't being negative. I am excited about getting the Panny on putting it up in my theater. I have a few local AVS members who are going to come by and compare the two. If you want I can move on and not post what we see... :D

Are you feeling okay, come on, it is Halloween!!! Get in a good mood!!! :)

Not sharpness, of course, but bulb aging can effect how the eye perceives images.

In this particular case, as the judgments are not being made with testing equipment but rather "by eye", the color and contrast, along with the brightness will be affected by the possibility of a weaker bulb.

I don't suggest buying the equipment, I just suggest weighing the result appropriately.

With the sony you better have panel alignment adjustment,Because as we all know with Sony 'they are all over the place.Every fp should have this IMHO:)




Zeroendless posted this in the AE2000u thread:

Convergence alignment. At least half-1 pixel all over the place. Using Sony hd pattern and DVE

Which is exactly why I love having the panel alignment adjustments for convergence. Sorry, I won't post that again... :)

Is there an easy way for a technician to open a pj and fix panel misconversion, or is the only solution is to replace the pj ?

I'll try and give a clear understanding of my first impressions,first the projector is ceiling mounted at 11' away from my da-lite high power 3.0 gain 96"x54" screen. The picture is bright and is punchy, the blacks are great. I feel the black level is far superior to the panny ax100's, I did a side by side, i have the ax100 300hrs on the bulb. Both projectors are ceiling mounted,ax 100 22' from screen. The ae2000 has higher contrast ratio and it's obvious. I only got to use the normal projector setting, this allowed me to adjust the brightness level so that it matched that of my ax100.I'm happy that brightness is fairly the same. At least within a reasonable viewing level. The remote is pretty nice, lens shift is easy to use and overall setup is a snap,the vertical and horizontal range works really nice. It has remote focous and zoom, works great. I'll try later to post some more later, as you can tell i'm not a writer/reviewer. But i will say this, I've had the good fortune of being friends with Alan gouger for 17yrs, he lets me see many projectors and i have owned higher end units, but this projector is what we've been waiting for. For me and maybe for many others great bang for the buck! And there is many more projectors out there that can beat this unit, but not for these prices.

I'll try and give a clear understanding of my first impressions,first the projector is ceiling mounted at 11' away from my da-lite high power 3.0 gain 96"x54" screen. The picture is bright and is punchy, the blacks are great. I feel the black level is far superior to the panny ax100's, I did a side by side, i have the ax100 300hrs on the bulb. Both projectors are ceiling mounted,ax 100 22' from screen. The ae2000 has higher contrast ratio and it's obvious. I only got to use the normal projector setting, this allowed me to adjust the brightness level so that it matched that of my ax100.I'm happy that brightness is fairly the same. At least within a reasonable viewing level. The remote is pretty nice, lens shift is easy to use and overall setup is a snap,the vertical and horizontal range works really nice. It has remote focous and zoom, works great. I'll try later to post some more later, as you can tell i'm not a writer/reviewer. But i will say this, I've had the good fortune of being friends with Alan gouger for 17yrs, he lets me see many projectors and i have owned higher end units, but this projector is what we've been waiting for. For me and maybe for many others great bang for the buck! And there is many more projectors out there that can beat this unit, but not for these prices.


"I've had the good fortune of being friends with Alan gouger for 17yrs"

Name dropper... :p

Actually, I'm envious... :D I bet you get to see lots of good stuff! Your new Panny sounds like a great projector.

Geez, I wasn't being negative. I am excited about getting the Panny on putting it up in my theater. I have a few local AVS members who are going to come by and compare the two. If you want I can move on and not post what we see... :D

Are you feeling okay, come on, it is Halloween!!! Get in a good mood!!! :)

i dont mean to come off as being harsh, but it seems in every thread about the 2000 you question the validity of this projector. When projector central said it was on par with the black pearl in many aspect you couldnt say..."hey maybe it is, maybe sony dropped the ball this year" . instead you pulled the "projector central has LCD companies that advertise on their site ...teh bias" card. you even go as far as saying that projector central probably didnt even turn the projector on before giving it raving reviews

back on topic..where are the unboxing pics and screens, i need some electronic porn tonight

Well if you are making reference to P.C. then hell yeah I can call them out. I have the Black Pearl and I pretty much have experienced the complete opposite as his "review" said. In fact, gregr and a few others who have calibrated the Black Pearl (correctly) experience great black level, great sharpness and more importantly excellent colors. And I will also point out again he did not even mention the WV60 being one of the only (if not the only) to come with panel alignment adjusting for convergence. How fair is that to not even mention a HUGE feature like that? If you were interested in that particular model wouldn't you at least expect to read about key features? It's like he barely touched it and then posted a few observations on an uncalibrated unit.

I do plan to do a damn good A/B comparison with AVS witnesses. I am not going to sit here and pick which is better. I will however post each units strengths and weaknesses. We are even going to get the new Sanyo to... :)

I like reading reviews from every source including projector central, but it has always seemed that Evan's had something against Sony products.

If I remember correctly, last year he placed the Pearl last when comparing it with other 1080p projectors. Virtually every other review sight had the opposite opinion.

Even going back to the 10HT, I think he was knocking it and it was the only digital 720p projector on the market at the time.

I'm not big Sony fan either, I think they've made a bunch of stupid moves in the past, but their projectors are great!

I'll be happy if the Panasonic is close to the Black Pearl in overall performance given that it cost about $1300 less and I'll be blown away if it's better.

Now, like truffle said, where are the pics?

this thread useless without "protector" pics

I did a side by side, i have the ax100 300hrs on the bulb. Both projectors are ceiling mounted,ax 100 22' from screen. The ae2000 has higher contrast ratio and it's obvious. I only got to use the normal projector setting, this allowed me to adjust the brightness level so that it matched that of my ax100.I'm happy that brightness is fairly the same. At least within a reasonable viewing level.

Dragon, Are you saying that AE2000 is roughly the same brightness as AX100 with 300hrs on the bulb ? From what I heard AX100 is a real light cannon, it will be nice if AE2000 compares favorably in that regard. Can you comment on AE2000 brightness please ?

Thanks, Davie.

I am also wondering about the brightness. I currently have en epson 810 which while not as bright as the panny 100, is more than bright enough to watch sports or play xbox with a fair amount of light in the room. I am ready to buy the new 2000 if it is bright enough for that type of viewing .

1500 lumens

Dragon, Are you saying that AE2000 is roughly the same brightness as AX100 with 300hrs on the bulb ? From what I heard AX100 is a real light cannon, it will be nice if AE2000 compares favorably in that regard. Can you comment on AE2000 brightness please ?

Thanks, Davie.

Yes the projector does a nice job, it compares close to the brightness of the ax100.One doesn't use all the light out put of any projector,however within the range that is useable without washing out the picture it has the head room.There are other picture settings,color1-2-3 also cine 1-2-3, normal and dynamic. Dynamic setting is the brightest, being very bright. I have a totally dark theater room. With the ax100, I find the cine1 setting to have just the amount of brightness and picture quality for movie watching I like. With the 2k, the cine1 setting is to dark for my taste.The normal setting has more of a punch and brightness is at the level i like. I do like a bright picture,my screen has a 3. gain. I still have much experimenting to fine tune the projector for my taste, however it really is looking good. The projector is at the closest it can be for my screen size, from 11' i can shrink the picture to about 3' that really gets bright. Over all it has a bright enough picture for any type of viewing. I like it!

thanks and enjoy your new toy.

Dragonleepen,

I got your screen size and gain and deven your mounting distance but what screen are you using with the 3.0 gain? Fixed i assume?

Draggon - u mentioned you like the normal picture mode - which I think PC says that mode puts out around 900 lumens...
my questions is -- 1. how is the color in that mode - does it appear compromised significantly compared to color1? 2. Normal mode I believe removes the color filter from the light path --- does this make the black levels worse than color1/cinema1 -- and if so - how much so.....thx.

Please post in the OFFICIAL AE2000 thread so that I don't have to keep reading two threads. ;)

Draggon - u mentioned you like the normal picture mode - which I think PC says that mode puts out around 900 lumens...
my questions is -- 1. how is the color in that mode - does it appear compromised significantly compared to color1? 2. Normal mode I believe removes the color filter from the light path --- does this make the black levels worse than color1/cinema1 -- and if so - how much so.....thx.

I don't recall having seen any reviewers publish or report lumen measurements on the AE2000 in any mode yet. Where do you see the reference to 900 lumens ? Wondering if I missed it somewhere.

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