Ive been asked to do some comparison shots between the Sim2 HT380/HT3000e and the HT5000.


Here are some shots from the HT5000/ISCOIII on 14ft screen . Handheld cheap Sony DSC T100 camera.

2nd Batch

CM, very nice shots!

What screen material are you using?

Jim

14' screen? If 2.35:1, which I'm guessing it is, how tall is that screen?
I hope that 5000 drops heavy in price in a year or so for my 1080p upgrade.

CM can confirm, but should be about 71" (image, assuming a 168" image width, give or take half inch for 2.37)

14' screen? If 2.35:1, which I'm guessing it is, how tall is that screen?
I hope that 5000 drops heavy in price in a year or so for my 1080p upgrade.

6ft as near as. 14/2.35 amazingly:D

Now that's a big screen. And I thought my 110" diag. was big, lol.
Next step for me is a 2.35:1 that I can cover and uncover for different aspects...it just looks awesome!

CM, very nice shots!

What screen material are you using?

Jim


I beleive CM stated in another thread the screen material was Stewart Microperfx2, same as Art's setup

I beleive CM stated in another thread the screen material was Stewart Microperfx2, same as Art's setup

I'm flattered, I've got a stalker:D:D

The perf is actually a process that can be applied to almost any material or at least they are available perf'd.

Its the 1.3 gain, (ST130 i believe.)

Busted

I'm flattered, I've got a stalker:D:D

The perf is actually a process that can be applied to almost any material or at least they are available perf'd.

Its the 1.3 gain, (ST130 i believe.)

Thanks CM (and LJG :D).

Nice screen and screen shots.:)

Art

Outstanding screenies! Now this is something, 14 ft. to boot! Just about everyone here wants a visit. When is your HT meet, cold? Put me down for a reservation :)
BTW, which HDDVD player are you using? I'm searching for a Tosh HDA1 replacement as you can see visible interlacing while pausing for screenshots, but not during actual live action. Really want to get some Fear and Loathing screens done right.... Also, if you haven't seen it Hot Fuzz has some reference potential as well, but surprisingly there haven't been many screenies of it yet.

Nice screen and screen shots.:)

Art

Art, is that the same material you're using on your setup? There's something very reminiscent of what you're getting beyond the obvious 5000 Pj.

I'm also curious if either you or coldmachine use VP's on your 5000's. My impressions are that as good as the Sim internal pro is, a good top tier external can add some refinements. Has that been your experience??

No VP. Just not needed. I've tried the best available (as have others) and at best they add nothing and in some cases actually degrade the image. Having the outstanding onboard VP coupled with 6 HDMI i/Ps and the CMS make an external VP redundant. The algorithms are common accross the range, some use more than others. Its also one of the factors that do help offset the premium you pay for a Sim2 machine. It is also one of the reasons that the premium is there in the first place.

PS did you get the "eye" shot I posted in the 3000e thread to show the potential of the ISCOIII when you get it just right?

Im using a Toshiba XA2 player

Outstanding screenies! Now this is something, 14 ft. to boot! Just about everyone here wants a visit. When is your HT meet, cold? Put me down for a reservation :)
BTW, which HDDVD player are you using? I'm searching for a Tosh HDA1 replacement as you can see visible interlacing while pausing for screenshots, but not during actual live action. Really want to get some Fear and Loathing screens done right.... Also, if you haven't seen it Hot Fuzz has some reference potential as well, but surprisingly there haven't been many screenies of it yet.


Try using the "Freeze" on your Sim2 remote. It doesnt matter if the source is interlaced. Its always progressive.

f you read back in your own 3000e thread, I explained the synchronising technique I used to get the shots on 2 machines using the "Freeze".

Art, is that the same material you're using on your setup? There's something very reminiscent of what you're getting beyond the obvious 5000 Pj.

I'm also curious if either you or coldmachine use VP's on your 5000's. My impressions are that as good as the Sim internal pro is, a good top tier external can add some refinements. Has that been your experience??

I believe coldmacine and I have the same basic set up:

*HT 5000 3 Chip DLP
*Stewart Vistascope with BRIC controller, X2 Microperf Studiotech 130 surface 14' wide scope aspect ratio

*ISCO III anamorphic lens

*Cineslide motorized slide for ISCO III

No need for external processing,absolutely beautiful processing done internally.

Art

Outstanding screenies! Now this is something, 14 ft. to boot! Just about everyone here wants a visit. When is your HT meet, cold? Put me down for a reservation :)
.

You should have come to mine a month ago. We had seventy guests. I ran three demos with about twenty three people in each.


http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p146/CarlosMeat/Crowd01a.jpg


art

Art

Put me down now if you have another one , looks like an amazing space as well as incredible number of seats. Must be a huge room. But I have to tell you knowing what you have for gear in that room sitting there, looking at that 14 foot screen, watching that 5000 and hearing those seaton speakers I'd be smilin, smilin smilin. Were you showing a documentary or something? Why does everyone look so damned serious? Perhaps the wheels turning how they're going to pitch one of these to their spousal units? :D

Art

Put me down now if you have another one , looks like an amazing space as well as incredible number of seats. Must be a huge room. But I have to tell you knowing what you have for gear in that room sitting there, looking at that 14 foot screen, watching that 5000 and hearing those seaton speakers I'd be smilin, smilin smilin. Were you showing a documentary or something? Why does everyone look so damned serious? Perhaps the wheels turning how they're going to pitch one of these to their spousal units? :D

As far as another meet look for a thread announcement around the end of August. We are considering next year around Halloween.

By the way this is what they were watching in that picture....

http://www.seriouspc.com/art/12.jpg

Art

As far as another meet look for a thread announcement around the end of August. We are considering next year around Halloween.

By the way this is what they were watching in that picture....

http://www.seriouspc.com/art/12.jpg

Art

Nice. Pincushion is for losers.:D:D

WOW. What is that from? It's pretty amazing how large a 14 ft screen really is when you have something to scale it to. Congrats!

BTW, is moire ever an issue with the Stewart AT?

WOW. What is that from? It's pretty amazing how large a 14 ft screen really is when you have something to scale it to. Congrats!

BTW, is moire ever an issue with the Stewart AT?

No. Microperfx2 is moire free. The holes are in a diamond patteren( which is better) and there are now 30,000 per square foot, thats about 6 times the density of a Stewart commercial screen.

Thanks Cold. I imagine that lets a lot of light through as well as sound, no?

Oh, I figured out the movie: Matrix Revolutions, right?

Thanks Cold. I imagine that lets a lot of light through as well as sound, no?

Oh, I figured out the movie: Matrix Revolutions, right?


While there is some light "pass-through," it is not as bad as it once was (claimed by some to be 5-8%) because of the perf structure. Stewart also considers the PJ you have when they setup the perf.

Jim

Definite moire on the original microperf using the HT 5000 but none ever with the X2 surface. You can see that the perfs are slanted at 17 degrees from vertical compared to the vertical patterned perfs in the X1 material.

Yes ,that is the diggers breaching the dock and the battle from The Matrix Revolutions.

Art

Can someone ck how far away do you have to be before the perfs fully disapear, thanks!

My throw is rather short and if I am not mistaken the last MP material I had ( many years ago ) I could see from 8 to 10 feet away.

Can someone ck how far away do you have to be before the perfs fully disapear, thanks!

My throw is rather short and if I am not mistaken the last MP material I had ( many years ago ) I could see from 8 to 10 feet away.

Alan,

It depends a little on the fL but for me even at over 20fL it's about 10'. Lower they are much much less visible.

Art

Hey Art once all the ohhs and ahhs from all your family and friends are over and you personally sit back and watch a full movie (drama for example) are you able to get as immeressed in the DLP as your older CRT set up?

I only ask because even though I now am using a great 1080p DLP machine on a larger screen than my previous setup (which was a 9inch CRT on a smaller screen) I still miss certain aspects of the CRT and it makes me sad:(

You really can build some affection for the CRT (almost like a pet) and its hard to let go. and its too bad because I am not certain if you had the moome or HD fury card to view these nice hi def movies on your previous set up. That really would have been the test!!

Joey

I find the HT5000 a totally immersive experience.Part of that is the 3 chip impact and part is particular to the HT5000.There is also no substitute for screen size and stellar sound. I've not had as much time to enjoy it as i'd like, but hope to make up for that from now on.

I really think its amazing whats going on in HT these days. I know this is the high end forum and we dont talk budget units here, but its now possible to get a decent image for $5k and reference quality for as little as $10k. Amazing

Hey Art once all the ohhs and ahhs from all your family and friends are over and you personally sit back and watch a full movie (drama for example) are you able to get as immeressed in the DLP as your older CRT set up?

I only ask because even though I now am using a great 1080p DLP machine on a larger screen than my previous setup (which was a 9inch CRT on a smaller screen) I still miss certain aspects of the CRT and it makes me sad:(

You really can build some affection for the CRT (almost like a pet) and its hard to let go. and its too bad because I am not certain if you had the moome or HD fury card to view these nice hi def movies on your previous set up. That really would have been the test!!

Joey

Joey,
I was a CRTer for ten years from a single Runco 980U to a stacked 980U set up to a G90 stack.I would be the first to tell you I had reservations regarding the change.

Here are the films I've watched through since the meet (no time to prior to)

Tension
Where Danger Lives
The Shining HDDVD
Transformers HDDVD
Forbidden Planet HDDVD
Conquest of Space
The Woman in the Window
Mission Impossible 3 HDDVD
The Pearl of Death
Charlie Chan in Paris
2001 A Space Odyssey HDDVD
Ace in the Hole
The Sting HDDVD
Earth vs The Flying Saucers
A Clockwork Orange HDDVD

I've never been so immersed ever ! The Sting was just so incredible, for example, I'm still thinking about it and I've seen that movie a dozen times. 2001 was beyond description and even some of the nice SD old black and whites take on an entirely new and better feel to the presentation.

I've not looked back for one minute.

Art

I still have a Sony G90 in a small room and can do some comparisons to the 3 chip DLP in my theater. There is no question in my mind that the overall performance of the 3 chip DLP is much better…it’s better in everything except for sequential CR, with some aspects like color accuracy and ANSI CR far superior. This has been true now for almost four years, since the 2K 3 chip DLP became available; although until recently at a high cost, with difficult installation.

CM and Art,
It goes without saying that the screenshots are fantastic! :cool:

Just one question though. Do you have your entire front array of speakers behind the Microperf X2 or are the left and right speakers outside the screen width?

If they are behind the screen then does the masking effect the sound [as the the masking will not obstruct the centre speaker but it can come in front of the L & R speakers in addition to the screen itself) or is it fine?

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p146/CarlosMeat/Crowd01a.jpg


That's an absolutely stunning screen shot. It literally looks like a real home theater with real people in it. You can't even tell there's any CGI.

I love the nipple tweaker 2nd left. Obviously impressed, either that or Art went all the way and got the new "Senso-Vision" seating with integrated butt-plugs.:D

I love the nipple tweaker 2nd left. Obviously impressed, either that or Art went all the way and got the new "Senso-Vision" seating with integrated butt-plugs.:D

You've been out of the loop, the butt plugs come standard with my seating.What I like is, unlike with the old seats ,the plugs really kich in below 40Hz and are wireless.

Art

CM and Art,
It goes without saying that the screenshots are fantastic! :cool:

Just one question though. Do you have your entire front array of speakers behind the Microperf X2 or are the left and right speakers outside the screen width?

If they are behind the screen then does the masking effect the sound [as the the masking will not obstruct the centre speaker but it can come in front of the L & R speakers in addition to the screen itself) or is it fine?

The fronts are all behind the screen. The Stewart Vistascope screen has AT masking.

Art

I love the nipple tweaker 2nd left. Obviously impressed, either that or Art went all the way and got the new "Senso-Vision" seating with integrated butt-plugs.:D

You've been out of the loop, the butt plugs come standard with my seating.What I like is, unlike with the old seats ,the plugs really kich in below 40Hz and are wireless.

Art

Better yet, per coldmachine's earlier mentioned plans, the plugs can later be recycled into state-of-the-art subwoofers, thereby providing continual enhancement of the movie experience.

I'll stop now. :rolleyes:

CM and Art,
It goes without saying that the screenshots are fantastic! :cool:

Just one question though. Do you have your entire front array of speakers behind the Microperf X2 or are the left and right speakers outside the screen width?

If they are behind the screen then does the masking effect the sound [as the the masking will not obstruct the centre speaker but it can come in front of the L & R speakers in addition to the screen itself) or is it fine?

Behind screen, mask has no effect as its AT.

I had always had my fronts out wider than my screens up to that point (as i love a wide stage), and still do on the smaller screens. I talked about this to my installer and he laughed. When the speaker arrived he hooked them up ( just sat on the deck) in the same manner as my small systems but the stage was stupidly wide.

My front row is just within 1SW and the stage was so wide they were almost becoming sides. Localisation was a farce. 2 people talking on a 14ft screen can be well seperated enough to need good localisation. I had people 10ft appart on screen but the sound didnt work, it was coming in left and right. My installer proved a point and Im glad i tried, as it was crazy sounding. Not in a good way.

I would always have thought that if the angles are the same then it will sound the same, it quite clearly didnt.