Well we got an ending.

The whole Alpha being good was the most twisty bit for me. Other than the plot lines I couldn't pick up for having not seen the unaired episode.

All in all - not bad.

May I have them, Joe? (the baskets, not the nits) I don't need any more "stuff." I have a whole house full of "stuff" I don't know what to do with, and need bigger "stuff" to store it in... Of course then I'll need even BIGGER STUFF to store that in. :eek:

Seems like a rushed ending like I predicted.

...reversing all the damage in one fell swoop thereby saving the world a pretty durn happy ending? .

Reversing all the damage? Happy ending? Just think of everyone on Earth, awaking to find themselves in a post-apocalyptic world, missing loved ones, with no memories, and no idea how they got where they are? I'd call that pretty damned frightening.

Reversing all the damage? Happy ending? Just think of everyone on Earth, awaking to find themselves in a post-apocalyptic world, missing loved ones, with no memories, and no idea how they got where they are? I'd call that pretty damned frightening.

Shhh. You're not supposed to think about that.

Shhh. You're not supposed to think about that.

Why not? TV should make you use your mind. Sadly I don't think the majority of people in the US agree with me.

Reversing all the damage? Happy ending? Just think of everyone on Earth, awaking to find themselves in a post-apocalyptic world, missing loved ones, with no memories, and no idea how they got where they are? I'd call that pretty damned frightening.

More frightening than having things go on the way they were? :confused: Sorry, I don't agree. Being able to magically reverse the last 10 years (we presume - the actual timeline of when the "Boyd era" ended and the ultimate use of Topher's deadly tech began was never even mentioned, let alone shown) and have everyone start over and go back the way they were is an absurdly convenient happy ending, under the circumstances. And those circumstances were the world that Rossum created and these characters had come to live in; a world of unimaginable horror. Me, I'd prefer that's how he ended things. Doesn't mean there's no hope for them; just that we, like the characters, wouldn't know how it will work out in a future Dollhouse world none of us will ever see. That's a more authentic conclusion to the story, IMO. I don't need or want a happy ending every time.

why would they jump forward ten years just to have it end where they changed nothing. that's pointless.

why would they jump forward ten years just to have it end where they changed nothing. that's pointless.

Because that's when the story ends, except they didn't change nothing. All these people are going to wake up and wonder what happened. They will do the necessary research and figure it out.

If they didn't make Epitah 1 last year they may have decided to end it differently, but with it we all know the story extends out that far.

Because that's when the story ends, except they didn't change nothing. All these people are going to wake up and wonder what happened. They will do the necessary research and figure it out.

If they didn't make Epitah 1 last year they may have decided to end it differently, but with it we all know the story extends out that far.

I was replying to archiguy's comment though.

Not pointless at all. Just a different way of ending the story, and more logical to the narrative, IMO. The fact is that the story might change in a more organic way due to a number of circumstances - the "butchers" finally exterminating themselves, Echo continuing the battle and finding Harding's "master consciousness" and destroying it at some point, or failing, lots of things. I just don't like McGuffins, and that's what Topher's EMP bomb was. Too easy a way out for such a complex and ambitious series.

Again, everything doesn't have to have a happy ending with all the loose ends neatly tied up, and Joss had an opportunity here to make this finale something more.

have you SEEN Angel's ending?

why would they jump forward ten years just to have it end where they changed nothing. that's pointless.

Not pointless at all. Just a different way of ending the story, and more logical to the narrative, IMO. The fact is that the story might change in a more organic way due to a number of circumstances - the "butchers" finally exterminating themselves, Echo continuing the battle and finding Harding's "master consciousness" and destroying it at some point, or failing, lots of things. I just don't like McGuffins, and that's what Topher's EMP bomb was. Too easy a way out for such a complex and ambitious series.

And we never really found out what Harding/Boyd's (I'm assuming they were the same guy; I asked that question above) motive was in doing what he did, thereby destroying the world. Why would anyone, no matter how megalomaniac, want to "rule" a world that's been so utterly devastated?

Again, everything doesn't have to have a happy ending with all the loose ends neatly tied up, and Joss had an opportunity here to make this finale something more.

have you SEEN Angel's ending?

Sorry about the late edit on my last post - sure do wish AVS would extend that editing time variable...

Actually, I did. Didn't really watch much of the series, though. But anyway, that's a good example isn't it? They just kept on fighting the good fight, which is what you would expect them to do.

Sorry about the late edit on my last post - sure do wish AVS would extend that editing time variable...

Actually, I did. Didn't really watch much of the series, though. But anyway, that's a good example isn't it? They just kept on fighting the good fight, which is what you would expect them to do.

yeah, but that was also the last show he was able to give an actual ending to - and that would be pretty redundant.

More frightening than having things go on the way they were? :confused: Sorry, I don't agree. Being able to magically reverse the last 10 years (we presume - the actual timeline of when the "Boyd era" ended and the ultimate use of Topher's deadly tech began was never even mentioned, let alone shown) and have everyone start over and go back the way they were is an absurdly convenient happy ending, under the circumstances. And those circumstances were the world that Rossum created and these characters had come to live in; a world of unimaginable horror. Me, I'd prefer that's how he ended things. Doesn't mean there's no hope for them; just that we, like the characters, wouldn't know how it will work out in a future Dollhouse world none of us will ever see. That's a more authentic conclusion to the story, IMO. I don't need or want a happy ending every time.

This is some new meaning of the word "happy," with which I was previously unacquainted. Factually, you are clearly wrong on one point - not "everyone" would start over, lots of people were dead.

I will admit that which is worse - the world as we saw it, or waking in the ruins, not knowing how you got there, or where your friends and loved ones were - is subjective. To me, facing the destruction and loss, without a clue, would be worse than living a nightmare I understood. But, I can't see how either qualifies as "happy."

I finally got around to watching the last 3 episodes on DVR this weekend. After watching it, I really wished that Hollow Man had been the last episode. To me the jumping ahead years was too BSGish and with only 60 minutes to wrap that up, it was just too much to do. They needed an entire season or more just for that 1 episode to work.

Maybe there will be a directors cut of it on the DVD set that will help it make more sense and fit into the picture.

So does anyone know when the Blu-Ray comes out?

Some questions that I'm still a little fuzzy on: So, was Boyd just another download of Harding? Same guy, the co-creator of Rossum? And his original partner Clive was really imprisoned in the attic with Dominic? What became of the people who were in the attic when everything broke down. Just....dead?

I don't think so. Once Boyd was gone, Harding got to move up to become Clyde 2.0's right hand man. Harding probably never even knew about Boyd.
Everyone in "the attic" probably did just die.

Boyd was not a doll because when Topher used the new tech on him, he was wiped and became a doll.

I thought the finale was very good. Yes, there was a lot of time elapsed which left many questions unanswered.

But this show was cancelled mid season right? Hollow man was the season two finale in my opinion. Whereas epitaph II was maybe season three's finale.

I think this finale was going to air eventually, but many episodes would have aired first, answering a lot of the questions we have.

Maybe hollow man was the correct finale for this show because it was cancelled. But it seems to me that Whedon wanted fans of the show to see part of the direction and conclusion to his vision.

Alpha being good, plays into this as well. His story and transformation would have been explained too if the show wasn't cancelled.

I thought the finale was very good. Yes, there was a lot of time elapsed which left many questions unanswered.

But this show was cancelled mid season right? Hollow man was the season two finale in my opinion. Whereas epitaph II was maybe season three's finale.

I think this finale was going to air eventually, but many episodes would have aired first, answering a lot of the questions we have.

Maybe hollow man was the correct finale for this show because it was cancelled. But it seems to me that Whedon wanted fans of the show to see part of the direction and conclusion to his vision.

Alpha being good, plays into this as well. His story and transformation would have been explained too if the show wasn't cancelled.

meh, maybe. but if you saw Epitaph I, then Ep II followed just fine from that.

But it's a tv show. To rely on the viewer to have watched an episode that was only available online or on the dvd set, and never aired on tv, it makes no sense to make a series finale built around that 1 stand alone episode. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I think Epitaph 1 and 2 shows where Whedon wanted the show to go if they had gotten season 3-4-5 etc but he stil wanted to cram those ideas in there even though they got canned.

But it's a tv show. To rely on the viewer to have watched an episode that was only available online or on the dvd set, and never aired on tv, it makes no sense to make a series finale built around that 1 stand alone episode. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I think Epitaph 1 and 2 shows where Whedon wanted the show to go if they had gotten season 3-4-5 etc but he stil wanted to cram those ideas in there even though they got canned.

well, exactly. i'm just saying that if you did watch Ep 1, then Ep 2 worked logically.

But it's a tv show. To rely on the viewer to have watched an episode that was only available online or on the dvd set, and never aired on tv, it makes no sense to make a series finale built around that 1 stand alone episode. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I think Epitaph 1 and 2 shows where Whedon wanted the show to go if they had gotten season 3-4-5 etc but he stil wanted to cram those ideas in there even though they got canned.

He kind of had to if he wanted to complete the story. Weather or not Epitaph 1 aired on Fox is irrelevant to how many people saw the episode. I mean didn't they air the episode on TV in other countries.

Here's something I thought of during lunch today. yeah I had a lot of free time.

So if imprinting Caroline cause this chemical that they wanted harvested, why bother sending her out on missions? Why not just strap her down in the chair and imprint her over and over and over to speed the process up of getting the stuff? They never said for sure, but they said they knew she was special before she even came to work for them, it's not like they discovered this after she fell into their lap.

just deleted my season pass :(

Here's something I thought of during lunch today. yeah I had a lot of free time.

So if imprinting Caroline cause this chemical that they wanted harvested, why bother sending her out on missions? Why not just strap her down in the chair and imprint her over and over and over to speed the process up of getting the stuff? They never said for sure, but they said they knew she was special before she even came to work for them, it's not like they discovered this after she fell into their lap.

I don't think imprinting mattered. I think she just had the chemical.

So they knew based on a blood test she had done earlier that she was what they were looking for? That was the way I took that too. But they said the chemical reaction they wanted only happened when she was imprinted.

Season 1 is being added to Netflix streaming at the beginning of April.

Season 1 is being added to Netflix streaming at the beginning of April.

Is it going to streaming in HD?

Thanks for the heads up,
Duane

Anyone know when Season 2 will hit Blu?

I haven't heard anything... but I'm betting on Season 2 hitting Blu ray around September-October timeframe.

I'm sure this thread is long vacated by now, but I just picked up Dollhouse from Netflix and went through the whole thing in a matter of a couple weeks and wanted to come in here and say how much I enjoyed the show.

Things started to drag a bit in the middle of season 1, but once they really got going man did they get going. I loved Topher's character, and the way he was developed over the course of the two seasons was phenomenal. Truly a tragic character. So easy going and fun loving, only to have an unimaginable weight dropped on his shoulders and ruin him.

I really liked the way that each season ended with an episode in the future. I was watching the DVDs so I was fortunate enough to see Epitaph 1 when it was intended, which I guess not everyone was since it doesn't look like it was ever aired on Fox (that must have thrown some people for a loop at the end). While I thought the "Boyd is the head of Rossum" thing was a bit of a stretch at the end, I still really enjoyed the ending, especially Epitaph Two. Like Serenity, they had just the right amount of death to still make it painful while at the same time bittersweet for some of the characters. What a heart-wrenching episode, especially the Echo freakout over Paul and Dewitt trying to hold back the tears for Topher.

My only gripe with the episode was that I wish they had also done the flashbacks again in Epitaph Two in addition to the "10 years in the future" plot, picking up where the flashbacks left off in Epitaph One. It would have been cool to see how exactly everything went to hell even after the destruction of the Rossum building in Tucson, though I never imagined for a minute there weren't copies of the plans for that weapon stored in a thousand other servers located outside that building as well (not sure why none of the characters thought of that).

I still didn't quite get Boyd's real motivation for his whole devious plot either, but it's not the end of the world (well, I guess in that case it was ;)).

Anyway, just wanted to stop in and say to whatever fans made it to the end that I really enjoyed it, and am really glad I took the time to pick it up.

:)

You are correct Epitaph 1 never aired on TV. The show was really done in by their lack of direction in Season 1. Season 2 was much better but by then it was way too late to save the sinking ship.

I'd like to see an all-inclusive DVD/BD set, both seasons, Epitaph-1, everything. Don't know if that's the eventual plan or not. Hope so.

I don't really think they need to do an all-inclusive set with there being only two seasons. I preordered my Season 2 Blu-Ray already. Has anyone heard a release date?

I don't really think they need to do an all-inclusive set with there being only two seasons.

All the more reason. Wouldn't take up a lot of space on the shelf. ;)

GREAT NEWS, DOLLHOUSE FANS! (maybe)

Apparently Entertainment Weekly did a poll on its website because there's a two-page spread in the latest edition of the magazine that came out last Friday with "stuff" from EW.com, and about half of one page is devoted the the question: "What is Joss Whedon's greatest work?"

Dollhouse won the poll with 37% of the votes!
Buffy, the Vampire Slayer, came in second, with 28%, and nothing else was even close (there was a 9% answer of "who's Joss Whedon?," which, frankly, I think is a pretty LOW UNrecognition factor, even for an entertainment website, so he must be doing SOMETHING right).

At any rate, with Dollhouse rating that high, perhaps there's a chance for a movie, or something? Firefly came in third (I think it had 17%, if I remember correctly), with Serenity in last place, which I found odd, since it was the movie follow-up to Firefly. Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along-Blog and Angel took fourth and fifth places, respectively.

Of course this is NOTHING close to any sort of "scientific poll." It represents ONLY folks who...

1. Logged onto the EW.com website during a specific timeframe
2. Noticed there was a poll about Joss Whedon's work during that logon period
3. Decided to vote on that poll.

Still, I find it encouraging (even though I'd probably rate Buffy higher than Dollhouse, personally). At this point, his vampire series are all "dead meat," but there COULD be a chance for a Dollhouse movie.
Jeff

^^^Joss Whedon's greatest work? Oh, c'mon... It's 'Firefly'; no contest - and it wouldn't be if there was some metric to sample all of geekdom on that issue. That "poll" is ridiculous. I liked 'Dollhouse' and wish it could have continued and 'Buffy' had its amusing moments, but really now... 'Firefly' was one of the best shows ever created for television - nearly perfect TV, IMHO. Um, except for the fact that so few people discovered it amid FOX's scheduling chaos. Those that did know what I mean.

Oh, I don't know, Archie. Some day I guess I'm gonna have to break down and get the Firefly set just so I can truly examine it. I watched every episode they ran the first time out, and I just really DIDN'T see it first time around. Looked a bit too "overdone" on the "Old West" angle to me (I REALLY LIKED Serenity, on the other hand, but then IT had a chance to truly establish what it was all about, whereas I don't think Firefly had time to get where it was going). I know Firefly was my first exposure to Jewel Staite, and I couldn't STAND her character in the few episodes that ran on Fox before they pulled the plug, yet I came to REALLY LIKE HER, later, on Stargate: Atlantis, and when Whedon came out with Serenity, and I got to see her in the same character again, I thoroughly enjoyed her in it, so I might if I saw it all again... It's been 8 years, so maybe through fresh eyes I'd agree with you.

It's quite possible that the main reason Dollhouse came out the winner in that poll was that it's Whedon's most recent work, and therefore best remembered, and "Buffy" came in second because it was his longest-running series and probably best-known... That's MY guess, anyway... I know there's currently a poll running on one of those stupid things that always comes up on AOL -- "PopEater" or something like that -- asking which of four actresses would be the BEST one to play suspected Russian "SuperSpy" in a movie (the real woman is only 28, mind you, and drop-dead gorgeous). The four choices include Sandra Bullock and three other actresses, all younger than her (I didn't think ANY of the four choices were good for the role), but Sandy WON the poll by a LANDSLIDE -- probably because she's SO popular right now because she just won an Oscar AND because so many folks "have her in their heart" because of the divorce, and the adoption, etc.

Well hey, I love Sandra Bullock, too -- have ever since I first saw her in Speed -- but she's 45 years old and looks NOTHING like Anna Chapman, and she'd be TERRIBLY MISCAST in that role. While they're at it, why not have Lindsay Lohan play Rosalind Carter, or something???

Geesh!
Jeff

I think that poll is just a reflection that people remember the most recent in their minds.

Let's rate Joss's work here:

1. "Objects in Space" (episode of Firefly; among the top 5 greatest episodes for any television series of any genre in the history of television)
2. Buffy
3. Serenity
4. Angel
5. the rest of Firefly
6. Dr Horrible
7. Dollhouse (even though it did have some great moments and was more interesting than most series by other folks...)

I think Dollhouse had a very interesting premise and plot overall, just the execution was poor and the acting talent of the lead actress held it back too. If they had fleshed out more of the backstory early in season 1 and instead of doing a bunch of stand alone episodes, then it might have retained an audience.

Maybe now they will get the Season 2 Blu-Ray out.

Oh, I don't know, Archie. Some day I guess I'm gonna have to break down and get the Firefly set just so I can truly examine it. I watched every episode they ran the first time out, and I just really DIDN'T see it first time around.

Please bear in mind that the network completely screwed up the order of the series. You can now rent or buy (under $20 most places) the entire series and watch it in the correct order easily. The way the network showed it was disjointed and incomplete.

Please bear in mind that the network completely screwed up the order of the series. You can now rent or buy (under $20 most places) the entire series and watch it in the correct order easily. The way the network showed it was disjointed and incomplete.

Yes. For me, seeing the actual pilot first (instead of at the end of the run, the way Fox aired it) made all the difference. I tried to watch it when it aired, and just didn't get it. I watched it on DVD and it became my all time favorite show.

Yes. For me, seeing the actual pilot first (instead of at the end of the run, the way Fox aired it) made all the difference. I tried to watch it when it aired, and just didn't get it. I watched it on DVD and it became my all time favorite show.

That may be what was the problem for me, as well.

It's hard to believe Fox actually did that to Joss TWICE! I actually can't believe he LET THEM do it to him TWICE! (And I didn't realize they did that with Firefly until just now -- although I'm sure some of you have mentioned it before, and it just didn't "stick" with me.)

At any rate, after having them screw with me on ONE series like that, thus KILLING it, were I Whedon, I'd have STUCK TO MY GUNS on Dollhouse. I think the consensus is the series would have kicked A LOT more butt a lot faster had it come "off the shelf" with his original vision, rather than with the stilted vision of a bunch of half-witted bean-counters at Fox programming.

I read stories on a semi-regular basis about people in the industry with a fair amount of popularity, fame and clout who've been offered TV series and turned them down, cold, because unless the networks gave them complete free reign, they wanted NO PART of it. At one time, I thought they were just acting spoiled, or being primadonnas, but the more I see how TV networks can ruin the auteur's vision, the more I understand why some folks turn down TV, or just avoid it completely. Yes, it's steady work if the show's a hit, but GEESH what a headache if you have to jump through all those hoops to keep 6 executives in 7 different departments happy about a dozen different things every week!
Jeff

The other reason why Dollhouse would rank high in a current poll?

We aren't going to get more Buffy from Whedon probably... We got a Firefly movie that didn't do well at the box office so that is probably dead too.

BUT, some still see hope for a Dollhouse movie... so that's what they vote for.... what they think is most likely, not necessarily what they most want.

I also think Dollhouse as a movie is unlikely... because unlike Firefly, Dollhouse did get a finale that was planned (Epitaph 1 + 2) that wrapped up a lot of major storylines. To go back now and do something else, knowing what we now know? I'm not sure how that would work.

I also think Dollhouse as a movie is unlikely... because unlike Firefly, Dollhouse did get a finale that was planned (Epitaph 1 + 2) that wrapped up a lot of major storylines. To go back now and do something else, knowing what we now know? I'm not sure how that would work.

I'm pretty inclined to agree with ALL your points, HD -- especially this last one -- and particularly given some of the comments JW made AFTER he learned Fox was canceling the show.

That said, there have been PLENTY of movies of TV shows made where they just essentially came back and did the entire premise of the TV show over as a movie, and compressed the entire premise into one simplified movie version that has more mass-market appeal and lots of "viewer bling" (skin and explosions, etc.) To some extent, that's what "Serenity" was, and while I didn't see it in theaters, either, had I known how good it was -- or known more about how good Firefly actually was, I'm certain I would have, since I thoroughly enjoyed it on TV, more than once.

I CAN see that done with Dollhouse. I'm not exactly sure how likely it is, and I'm guessing it would probably need to be Rated "R" and "show some skin," etc., but I can see a way it could be done.

My guess is that JW probably won't go out of his way to do it, BUT if someone with a FAT WALLET approaches him and says something like, "I have $80 million and I want to give it to you to make a big-screen version of Dollhouse," he'd JUMP at THAT, lol (and likely even if someone comes to him with $15 or $20 million and says that).
Jeff

Firefly is a funny thing... because I remember intentionally ignoring it with good reason at the time!

Buffy had surprised and impressed me as I had been previously underwhelmed by the movie... and only accidentally watched a few episodes of the show and became hooked.

So... when the Angel spinoff happened, I was on board for all things Whedon!

But then Angel started to drag... and Buffy was dragging a bit.. so I figured Firefly would be the nail in the coffin that Whedon wasn't as good as I'd began to give him credit.

Now, in hindsight... what I know to be true is that Whedon kinda-sorta let Angel & Buffy "go" a bit while concentrating on his new baby Firefly... and for as much as I thought that those Buffy/Angel episodes meandered... Firefly excelled...

So once I accidentally watched Firefly, I became hooked... and wished I hadn't missed it in the first place.

I agree Serenity was partly a "recap" to introduce/summarize what had gone before for new people... but then it also tied up a couple of things in case he never got to revisit the "Verse" again.

Then when he knew Dollhouse was sinking... again at least in part due to not being able to make the show he originally wanted to make... he at least got a chance to make his "movie" ending. That is great for us, but simultaneously means he is less enthused about revisiting again.

I'm sure if enough money is thrown at him, he would... but it doesn't seem likely that he will get money thrown at him any time soon since Serenity underperformed and he is coming off yet another "popular" but canceled show.

I still maintain that I'd like to see Whedon get one more shot at doing the show he wants to do, his way...and see if he can succeed or fail on that merit. He got to do what he wanted with the Buffy series, and that made him a household name... yet people keep mucking with him ever since and not letting him do what got him famous.

IF Firefly was his, and Dollhouse was his... and he got to do it his way, and failed... then I'd say "fair is fair" and miss him fondly... but when you see things like the Epitaph 1 episode that he and the Dollhouse team did even though FOX didn't want the episode... it really hinted at what Dollhouse could have been IF left alone.

Would it have fared any better in the ratings? Who knows. Maybe it would have failed anyway... but nobody will ever really know.

by the end of 2012 Joss is either going to be able to do anything he wants or nothing at all. . Unless The Avengers goes the way of WW...

^^^Joss Whedon's greatest work? Oh, c'mon... It's 'Firefly'; no contest - and it wouldn't be if there was some metric to sample all of geekdom on that issue. That "poll" is ridiculous. I liked 'Dollhouse' and wish it could have continued and 'Buffy' had its amusing moments, but really now... 'Firefly' was one of the best shows ever created for television - nearly perfect TV, IMHO. Um, except for the fact that so few people discovered it amid FOX's scheduling chaos. Those that did know what I mean.

Yep, exactly what I was thinking. I loved Dollhouse, but I still believe Firefly is one of the greatest shows of all-time, and it's definitely my all-time favorite.

I also think Dollhouse as a movie is unlikely... because unlike Firefly, Dollhouse did get a finale that was planned (Epitaph 1 + 2) that wrapped up a lot of major storylines. To go back now and do something else, knowing what we now know? I'm not sure how that would work.

Yeah, there's no need for a Dollhouse movie as it already had a (great) ending, that is easily my favorite TV show ending of all-time and that I liked more than most movies. It was so satisfying.

I guess if they were to do a movie, they could kind of use it to cover the time between the end of the second to last episode and the beginning of epitaph 1, to show the world actually being destroyed.

That said, there's really no way anyone is going to throw big money around for a Dollhouse movie, and there's no fans clamoring for it since the series was already wrapped up in a satisfactory manner. I would bet everything I own that there will never be a Dollhouse movie, which is fine. I like where it was left off.

The Sarah Connor Chronicles REALLY left us all HANGING, though because, I guess, they WERE counting on (or at least hoping for) a third season... Here's something that would make a really NEAT movie -- a Dollhouse hybrid, with a wrap-up of TSCC in it, as well -- bring back Summer Glau again, but not as Bennett Halverson, but as her TSCC character -- heck, maybe even figure out a way to tie the two in together??? (that may be too much of a stretch, especially since there was already a flashback with her character in TSCC where she remembered her the original person, who wasn't anything like Bennett -- at least not the angry, cynical Bennett who was crippled and abandoned by Caroline)... Anyway, it's a thought... I thought TSCC was "just coming into its own" when it got canceled -- finally really getting interesting, BUT that new Terminator movie came out and didn't really do that well at the box office (I went to see it -- first one I think I actually paid to see in the theaters, I think -- and I wasn't as impressed as I'd hoped, either). Still, the story they were working on in TSCC was getting very interesting... Might be nice to see what Whedon could do with that -- maybe have some elements of the "end days" of Dollhouse worked in there.

Just a thought, or two.
Jeff

I just got my Season 2 Blu-Ray. There is a comic book inside that is pretty lame. It also has some commentaries, Defining Moments A Retrospective with Joss Whedon, Looking Back Roundtable with Joss Whedon and cast, and deleted scenes and outakes.

So season two is available... I might rent it just to watch the last few episodes that got stranded on my broken DVR.

Reading over these comments reminds me that I should probably watch Firefly sometime too.

The Sarah Connor Chronicles REALLY left us all HANGING, though because, I guess, they WERE counting on (or at least hoping for) a third season... Here's something that would make a really NEAT movie -- a Dollhouse hybrid, with a wrap-up of TSCC in it, as well -- bring back Summer Glau again, but not as Bennett Halverson, but as her TSCC character -- heck, maybe even figure out a way to tie the two in together??? (that may be too much of a stretch, especially since there was already a flashback with her character in TSCC where she remembered her the original person, who wasn't anything like Bennett -- at least not the angry, cynical Bennett who was crippled and abandoned by Caroline)... Anyway, it's a thought... I thought TSCC was "just coming into its own" when it got canceled -- finally really getting interesting, BUT that new Terminator movie came out and didn't really do that well at the box office (I went to see it -- first one I think I actually paid to see in the theaters, I think -- and I wasn't as impressed as I'd hoped, either). Still, the story they were working on in TSCC was getting very interesting... Might be nice to see what Whedon could do with that -- maybe have some elements of the "end days" of Dollhouse worked in there.

Just a thought, or two.
Jeff

Sounds much like my old idea of tying a movie & TV show together.

Have the last moments of Blair Witch Project (no credits, just to the point that the video camera goes black) pan backwards to reveal that the raw BLP footage just been viewed on a TV screen via VHS by none other than Agent Fox Mulder.

"Scully? We're going camping!":D