This could be the final leg of the race. If you prefer one format over the other (hopefully blu-ray :)) you can make a difference over the next two months.

1. Buy lots of movies! Regardless of hda2's pushed out for $98, software sales are still the ultimate deciding factor.

2. If you are neutral go blu-ray exclusive till January...only 2 months!

Now is not the time for neutrality, pick a side! :D

Chances are they already picked a side. There are not a whole lot of neutrals on this forum.

This simply means if you're neutral, buy WB BD movies instead of WB HD movies. Sorry pal. Until WB changes it's mind about supporting HD, I'm sticking with Warner HD-DVD movies... :cool:

Chances are they already picked a side. There are not a whole lot of neutrals on this forum.

Oh I don't know, Wally World HDA2's haven't gone on sale yet. Many will be tempted.

The problem is Warner gives HD the better sound specs on most movies. I personally want both formats to survive so that the hardware and software pricing stays competative. I have no issues with owning 2 formats and with the dual format players on the way, I dont see either going away for a while atleast.

I've already stopped buying HD DVD discs. I'm hoping the better formats comes out ahead and all this two format nonsense will be done with. And I bought some BR discs last night from Warner's site.

The HD DVD versions of Warner movies usually have better audio tracks, more content, features, interactivity and even now some with web enabled functionality to download even more content for viewing.

For over a year there have been numerous posts in the BR forum promoting banning WB sales due to movies having only DD tracks on the BR side, now everyone should go an purchase those same movies instead of a version that may give them more for the same price isnt very sensible.

The problem is Warner gives HD the better sound specs on most movies. I personally want both formats to survive so that the hardware and software pricing stays competative. I have no issues with owning 2 formats and with the dual format players on the way, I dont see either going away for a while atleast.

Of all the ways this format war could play out, transitioning to dual format players is likely to be the most lengthy outcome. This would only reinforce consumer confusion and slow mass adoption. The studios and electronics companies want mass market penetration as fast as possible and right now a single format is the only way this will be accomplished.

The HD DVD versions of Warner movies usually have better audio tracks, more content, features, interactivity and even now some with web enabled functionality to download even more content for viewing.

For over a year there have been numerous posts in the BR forum promoting banning WB sales due to movies having only DD tracks on the BR side, now everyone should go an purchase those same movies instead of a version that may give them more for the same price isnt very sensible.

I understand. I'm still waiting for Superman Returns with lossless audio.

The point of this thread is that if you do have an overall preference for one HD format, what you buy in the next two months may decide whether that format lives or dies.

For me to buy HDM, it has to be something I want. If I am going to buy it, it has to be something I'll watch multiple times. I am not just going to blow money to support one format or the other.
There are a few Blu-rays I'll be picking up as well as a few HD-DVDs over the next several weeks.

This could be the final leg of the race. If you prefer one format over the other (hopefully blu-ray :)) you can make a difference over the next two months.

1. Buy lots of movies! Regardless of hda2's pushed out for $98, software sales are still the ultimate deciding factor.

2. If you are neutral go blu-ray exclusive till January...only 2 months!

Now is not the time for neutrality, pick a side! :D

Well, I am not buying into the whole HD-DVD thing yet... I have a Xbox add on, and the piece of crap A2 they are selling I wouldn't touch for $50 bucks. I went through 2 of them... That being said, Blu-Ray needs to counter punch quickly if they can't they will take a big hit.... Lower there prices on some of there Blu-Ray players... Have a Fire sale on them and remaining old stock of players and do the BOGO free sale again, that should surely help....

Just be dual format and be happy.
Be a HDM fan not a format fanboy.

Somehow I think the decision has already been made and they are slowly preparing us for what that is. I believe they've decided to go to Bluray only after the holidays.

Just be dual format and be happy.
Be a HDM fan not a format fanboy.

At one time I thought that way too, but then I realized that until one of these formats is killed off and buried, both formats are just going to stay stagnant and fart along.

The HD DVD versions of Warner movies usually have better audio tracks, more content, features, interactivity and even now some with web enabled functionality to download even more content for viewing.

For over a year there have been numerous posts in the BR forum promoting banning WB sales due to movies having only DD tracks on the BR side, now everyone should go an purchase those same movies instead of a version that may give them more for the same price isnt very sensible.

Well said!

-Murray

Somehow I think the decision has already been made and they are slowly preparing us for what that is. I believe they've decided to go to Bluray only after the holidays.

I'd have to voice an opposite opinion. Warner clearly is not happy with the lack of interactivity, picture and picture and web enabled features on Blu-ray.

This quarter sales will do nothing as far as brining this interactive market into the blu-ray format. Therefore I think they only want this quarter to show that with lower price players HD DVD can be mass accepted and match software sales of Blu-ray.

Another thought is that there stringing along both formats for "incentives" to at least stay format neutral.... :rolleyes:

Of all the ways this format war could play out, transitioning to dual format players is likely to be the most lengthy outcome. This would only reinforce consumer confusion and slow mass adoption. The studios and electronics companies want mass market penetration as fast as possible and right now a single format is the only way this will be accomplished.

Great! Then we all agree! HD-DVD it is...

If I did have to pick a side it'd be HD DVD because of threads like this.

If I did have to pick a side it'd be HD DVD because of threads like this.

And I would pick Blu-Ray because of Troll threads like this. ;) LOL Maybe Sisyphus can skip his HD-DVD player across a pond, I did..... 2 A2's Dead.... Otherwise if I didn't have such a problem with these past players I would
be all over the Walmart deal... I wish you So called neutral people (some of you that is) would quit posting HD-DVD rubbish in the Blu-Ray forum you guys are jumping for joy because Walmart has become your savior this week... I would feel the same if I didn't have the problems I did with my A2s, just can't get excited over the price..

And I would pick Blu-Ray because of Trolls like you... ;) LOL Maybe Sisyphus can skip his HD-DVD player across a pond, I did..... 2 A2's Dead.... Otherwise if I didn't have such a problem with these past players I would
be all over the Walmart deal... I wish you So called neutral people would quit posting HD-DVD rubbish in the Blu-Ray forum you guys are jumping for joy because Walmart has become your savior this week... I would feel the same if I didn't have the problems I did with my A2s, just can't get excited over the price..

My point was, even as a blu-ray exclusive consumer, do you really want all these fanboy threads clogging up the board? Doesn't it get tiresome people trying to tout a format over another? I hate having to sift through this garbage just to talk about the movies.

nice way to post impulsively and then go back and edit in the rest, lol.

nice way to post impulsively and then go back and edit in the rest, lol.

Of course I did, I am a crappy typer.... ;) Are you sure your not lost... ;) I think you are wearing your "Red" shirt today!! :D Plus I wasn't pointing the finger at you... Well not until now.. jk!

Has anyone found a discount code for online purchases after 10-31-07 at Warners website yet? Thanks.

Has anyone found a discount code for online purchases after 10-31-07 at Warners website yet? Thanks.

Try the BOGO free thread at the top of these forums, I did see some one post in there a coupon that expires today.... The problem is WB is slow at shipping out the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies....

Try the BOGO free thread at the top of these forums, I did see some one post in there a coupon that expires today.... The problem is WB is slow at shipping out the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies....

Thanks but I already checked that and it expired yesterday. Hence the qualifier in my post "after 10-31-07".

And I would pick Blu-Ray because of Trolls threads like this. ;) LOL Maybe Sisyphus can skip his HD-DVD player across a pond, I did..... 2 A2's Dead.... Otherwise if I didn't have such a problem with these past players I would
be all over the Walmart deal... I wish you So called neutral people (some of you that is) would quit posting HD-DVD rubbish in the Blu-Ray forum you guys are jumping for joy because Walmart has become your savior this week... I would feel the same if I didn't have the problems I did with my A2s, just can't get excited over the price..

I had a bad experience with an hda1 skipping/freezing/stuttering on rental discs. This definitely left a bad taste in my mouth. I am a big renter and since switching to blu-ray I haven't had a single problem with any disc (over 40 rented or purchased). If hd-dvd had it's own hardcoat this probably wouldn't be an issue. Regardless of the hardcoat, I like blu-rays additional storage and bandwidth giving it room for growth in the future. This is only the beginning of a new format, who knows what could be done with that extra headroom? :)

For me to buy HDM, it has to be something I want. If I am going to buy it, it has to be something I'll watch multiple times. I am not just going to blow money to support one format or the other.
There are a few Blu-rays I'll be picking up as well as a few HD-DVDs over the next several weeks.

Totally logical thinking..... Im with ya. Im not on this Earth to "help" HD formats grow. They need to do that by appealing to the masses and getting pricing where it needs to be. BD has been pretty bad at the pricing thing and HD DVD hasnt had enough studio support so both have some work to do.

I am neutral also and will continue to be as long as possible. But yeah...I aint buying nothing unless it has a lot of long term rewatch value which means my collection will stay small since most films are watch-once and then forget. Netflix is you're friend!!!

For me to buy HDM, it has to be something I want. If I am going to buy it, it has to be something I'll watch multiple times. I am not just going to blow money to support one format or the other.
There are a few Blu-rays I'll be picking up as well as a few HD-DVDs over the next several weeks.

Ditto....good point. I buy hdm that are deserving to be watch multiple times.
in either format.

HD A2
PANNY BDA10A
ONKYO 705
POLK AUDIO RM7500
HD - 29 Movies
BD - 30 Movies

Chances are they already picked a side. There are not a whole lot of neutrals on this forum.

Which makes all of this moot. ;)

Somehow I think the decision has already been made and they are slowly preparing us for what that is. I believe they've decided to go to Bluray only after the holidays.

If this is the case I think it is horrible of Warner. If they have already decided they are going to screw a lot of people that are picking up the A2s. I just don't think they would do that.

My point was, even as a blu-ray exclusive consumer, do you really want all these fanboy threads clogging up the board? Doesn't it get tiresome people trying to tout a format over another? I hate having to sift through this garbage just to talk about the movies.

Well, it's par for the course over on the HD DVD forums. Have you been as vocal there about the "buy an HD DVD player for friends and family" and their own Warner support thread?

I mean seriously, this thread doesn't touch these with a ten foot poll:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931160

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=930470

I'm not seeing any denunciation posts from you in those threads though.

In fact look at this, we've got 5thDanMaster and Pro-630HD in this thread within one page. If it's fanboyish and posted in Blu-ray, it gets attacked. If it's fanboyish and posted in HD DVD, it gets praised.

I say let's cut out the fanboyism 100%, but JaylisJay show us you're serious by going into those threads and being even and consistent in your criticism.

If this is the case I think it is horrible of Warner. If they have already decided they are going to screw a lot of people that are picking up the A2s. I just don't think they would do that.

You mean like Paramount did by dropping support for a format a lot of people bought players thinking they were going to have?

to me it wounldnt suprise me if they went HD-DVD exclusive, with prices on HD-DVD players dropping really fast. Plus it seems like they have always perfered HD-DVD since they have yet released Batman begins, The Matrix Triology etc.

Sony will not lower the price of the PS3 for awhile below 399, the are already in the red for over a year in their gaming division at 900 million YTD. Maybe if Sony had a 1080i Blu-ray player they could of cut cost and offered a cheaper one.

A PS3 still costs 700 USD to make, that cell processor isn't cheap.

An A2 cost about 75 USD if even that to make big difference.

Wasnt there supposed to be a press announcement by Warner yesterday at 2pm, what became of that?

A PS3 still costs 700 USD to make, that cell processor isn't cheap.

An A2 cost about 75 USD if even that to make big difference.

You're out of your mind; your PS3 costs exceed the bounds of reason, by a little more than your A2 costs do.

Wasnt there supposed to be a press announcement by Warner yesterday at 2pm, what became of that?

I don't know, weird. I was expecting them to renounce their BDA license or somesuch. :rolleyes: Yet Kosty's been silent on the issue since yesterday...

(Are there more posts by HD DVD fans than BD fans in this thread at this point? Yes. But then again, that's every thread in the Blu-ray sections...)

Wasnt there supposed to be a press announcement by Warner yesterday at 2pm, what became of that?

They announced that WB will not pick a side till after Q4 sales are in LOL.


And Walmart is making a profit of $48 on each $98 player and $148 on the $198 ones

http://blogs.zdnet.com/carroll/?p=1683

This could be the final leg of the race. If you prefer one format over the other (hopefully blu-ray :)) you can make a difference over the next two months.

1. Buy lots of movies! Regardless of hda2's pushed out for $98, software sales are still the ultimate deciding factor.

2. If you are neutral go blu-ray exclusive till January...only 2 months!

Now is not the time for neutrality, pick a side! :D

I think Ill just buy whatever version has the best features and audio options. If all things are equall then I will probably get the BD version of a film purely because I like my Pio Elite BDP-94HD better than my XA2. Nothing to do with format at all.
-Evangelo2

This could be the final leg of the race. If you prefer one format over the other (hopefully blu-ray :)) you can make a difference over the next two months.

1. Buy lots of movies! Regardless of hda2's pushed out for $98, software sales are still the ultimate deciding factor.

2. If you are neutral go blu-ray exclusive till January...only 2 months!

Now is not the time for neutrality, pick a side! :D

Why not just enjoy the movies, no matter what format. Thats what most here want to do. This is now in the hands of the average consumer, not geeks like us!

Why not just enjoy the movies, no matter what format. Thats what most here want to do. This is now in the hands of the average consumer, not geeks like us!

+1 Well Said!

Being I can get Warner titles tomorrow for only $15 on HD DVD...I will be picking up at least 4 titles. Price is important. When Blu ray had their Bogo sale I bought at least 6 BD titles. I don't care what format I buy...I go for the best deals regardless of format...and right now HD DVD has the best deal going. By the way I hope to pick up a $99 HD DVD player also, it's not for me but my brother-in law whom has blu ray and wants to go neutral. Neutral is where it's at. :D;)

This could be the final leg of the race. If you prefer one format over the other (hopefully blu-ray :)) you can make a difference over the next two months.

1. Buy lots of movies! Regardless of hda2's pushed out for $98, software sales are still the ultimate deciding factor.

2. If you are neutral go blu-ray exclusive till January...only 2 months!

Now is not the time for neutrality, pick a side! :D
I just ordered Ocean's Trilogy and Blade Runner on HD DVD. Thanks for pushing me.
J

I just ordered Ocean's Trilogy and Blade Runner on HD DVD. Thanks for pushing me.
J

Enjoy them while it lasts ;)

If this is the case I think it is horrible of Warner. If they have already decided they are going to screw a lot of people that are picking up the A2s. I just don't think they would do that.

What I think is this:

Warner told Toshiba that they were heavily leaning towards going bluray exclusive and this is Toshiba's way to try and convince them otherwise.
If the numbers come out and HD-DVD has made a significant gain after the holidays then well you know...

What I think is this:

Warner told Toshiba that they were heavily leaning towards going bluray exclusive and this is Toshiba's way to try and convince them otherwise.
If the numbers come out and HD-DVD has made a significant gain after the holidays then well you know...

Toshiba can ship all the hardware they like, if the software numbers aren't up to par Warner will still go Blu-ray exclusive. HD DVD doesn't have a very convincing release slate for the rest of the year, Warner knows that. IF Harry Potter sells more on Blu, and they probably will, that will likely be one of the deciding factors for them. HD DVD already has more standalones than Blu-Ray, but the PS3 sells much, much more! Like it or not, the PS3 is one of the deciding factors to go exclusive. I'm sure Toshiba won't sell 5 million players by years end!

Well, it's par for the course over on the HD DVD forums. Have you been as vocal there about the "buy an HD DVD player for friends and family" and their own Warner support thread?

I mean seriously, this thread doesn't touch these with a ten foot poll:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931160

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=930470

I'm not seeing any denunciation posts from you in those threads though.

In fact look at this, we've got 5thDanMaster and Pro-630HD in this thread within one page. If it's fanboyish and posted in Blu-ray, it gets attacked. If it's fanboyish and posted in HD DVD, it gets praised.

I say let's cut out the fanboyism 100%, but JaylisJay show us you're serious by going into those threads and being even and consistent in your criticism.

Well I agree with you, there are a ton of "Wolves in Sheep clothing on these forums".. There are about 10 of them that say they are neutral and I have a hard time believing it because of there constant criticisms of Blu-Ray and there praising of HD-DVD...

Enjoy them while it lasts ;)
Why, will they turn into pumpkins at midnight?
I was actually going to get them in BD, but this rabid fanboyism (yes its on both sides, but it seems bluer), is a major turn off.
J

I think Ill just buy whatever version has the best features and audio options. If all things are equall then I will probably get the BD version of a film purely because I like my Pio Elite BDP-94HD better than my XA2. Nothing to do with format at all.
-Evangelo2

Good post and I do the same thing. The thing about Warner is that the sound is usually better for the HD DVD. Not sure why they do that, but they do.

There are more new Blu-ray releases coming out this year that I' d like to have than I am willling to pay for (I'm actually fairly BOGO'ed out). It will be pretty easy to avoid HD DVDs the rest of the year.

I might put a higher priority on Warner's Blu-rays which have lossless audio tracks.

Why, will they turn into pumpkins at midnight?
I was actually going to get them in BD, but this rabid fanboyism (yes its on both sides, but it seems bluer), is a major turn off.
J

LOL, so you picked the ones from the opposite format because someone hit a nerve? jeesch you guys are getting more pathetic by the minute :confused:

LOL, so you picked the ones from the opposite format because someone hit a nerve? jeesch you guys are getting more pathetic by the minute :confused:
Reread the first post in this thread before you call anyone pathetic.
J

Good post and I do the same thing. The thing about Warner is that the sound is usually better for the HD DVD. Not sure why they do that, but they do.

not sure where you got this idea from, it's actually more the opposite. all the warner titles either have the same audio on both formats (DD640), or has PCM for blu-ray vs TrueHD for HD DVD. sometimes BD gets both PCM + TrueHD in the case of 300, i think it's the only case tho.

PCM vs TrueHD would otherwise be equally matched, but Warner uses dialog normalization on the TrueHD track which results in PCM sounding better. i dont see where you got the idea HD DVD usually has better sound on Warner discs.

Reread the first post in this thread before you call anyone pathetic.
J

Re-read the 31st and see if perhaps you have said anything negative about the fanboyish nature of the concept in those threads. Why is the condescension reserved for this forum?

I do believe Warner is leaning toward one side right now, but the last two months may still influence it (or reinforce it).

You're out of your mind; your PS3 costs exceed the bounds of reason, by a little more than your A2 costs do.



I don't know, weird. I was expecting them to renounce their BDA license or somesuch. :rolleyes: Yet Kosty's been silent on the issue since yesterday...

(Are there more posts by HD DVD fans than BD fans in this thread at this point? Yes. But then again, that's every thread in the Blu-ray sections...)

Um, no. It is well known that Sony loses a lot of money on the PS3. Why do you think it's been making such big news the billions of dollars they are losing because of their video games division? Do you think it's not true just because that doesn't "sound" like they would do that?

Um, no. It is well known that Sony loses a lot of money on the PS3. Why do you think it's been making such big news the billions of dollars they are losing because of their video games division? Do you think it's not true just because that doesn't "sound" like they would do that?

Sony loses money on the PS3, yes. I didn't say otherwise. But they don't lose $300 per console. I would estimate that that on the 40GB unit, they lose roughly $100 per console. There's no point in you trying to educate me on the financials; I assure you no one in this thread is as up on the matter as myself.

The vast majority of their PS3-related loss in the recent quarter was due to write-downs associated with both the July and October price cuts. But if we're talking about new consoles being manufactured today, the costs have come way way down since launch. Not enough to go positive on the sale of the unit, but please... if you're defending a $700 manufacturing cost, I can go all day.

Being I can get Warner titles tomorrow for only $15 on HD DVD...I will be picking up at least 4 titles. Price is important. When Blu ray had their Bogo sale I bought at least 6 BD titles. I don't care what format I buy...I go for the best deals regardless of format...and right now HD DVD has the best deal going. By the way I hope to pick up a $99 HD DVD player also, it's not for me but my brother-in law whom has blu ray and wants to go neutral. Neutral is where it's at. :D;)

Same here has long there is a deal on any format and depending on titles I'll buy. All my Blu purchases have been under 15 bucks.

Sony will not lower the price of the PS3 for awhile below 399, the are already in the red for over a year in their gaming division at 900 million YTD. Maybe if Sony had a 1080i Blu-ray player they could of cut cost and offered a cheaper one.

A PS3 still costs 700 USD to make, that cell processor isn't cheap.

An A2 cost about 75 USD if even that to make big difference.

Don't kid yourself the A2 costs much more than $75 to make. The drive assembly is still pricy due to the blu-laser and pickup. And the horsepower to run a HD DVD or BD player is a lot more than a standard DVD player.

Toshiba is subsidizing HD DVD just like Sony is subsidizing BD.

If Toshiba was making a lot of money on players there would be other manufacturers in the game.

The reason the A2 is so cheap is it is a clearance item. It has been discontinued and replaced by the A3.

Sony loses money on the PS3, yes. I didn't say otherwise. But they don't lose $300 per console. I would estimate that that on the 40GB unit, they lose roughly $100 per console. There's no point in you trying to educate me on the financials; I assure you no one in this thread is as up on the matter as myself.

The vast majority of their PS3-related loss in the recent quarter was due to write-downs associated with both the July and October price cuts. But if we're talking about new consoles being manufactured today, the costs have come way way down since launch. Not enough to go positive on the sale of the unit, but please... if you're defending a $700 manufacturing cost, I can go all day.


Please let us know exactly how much it costs to produce a PS3. This is something we've all been wondering.

Please let us know exactly how much it costs to produce a PS3. This is something we've all been wondering.

I just gave you my estimate in the post you responded to.

While I understand those who own both formats and are nuetral. I can't see that being a way of going for the general public. I just know too many people who are not going to want to deal with making sure they put the disc into the right player. Granted combo players will help.

Good grief...

I'll be buying both this holiday season.

Here's hoping that warner follows my logic and sticks with both...

I had a bad experience with an hda1 skipping/freezing/stuttering on rental discs. This definitely left a bad taste in my mouth. I am a big renter and since switching to blu-ray I haven't had a single problem with any disc (over 40 rented or purchased). If hd-dvd had it's own hardcoat this probably wouldn't be an issue. Regardless of the hardcoat, I like blu-rays additional storage and bandwidth giving it room for growth in the future. This is only the beginning of a new format, who knows what could be done with that extra headroom? :)

this is a great point that doesnt get enough play. hardcore hd dvd fans claim that they are superior because they have a finished format. to me that is a bad thing. 1 year in hd dvd is as good as it can get. the format has literaly peaked, with the only minor additions of maybe some corny web features to look forward to. blu-ray is a technology with room to grow that is still improving and brining forth new feature. plus with the increased space and bandwith who knows 2 years from now encoders may be able to improve quality much higher in audio/video. if this format is supposed to be around for many years being completely maxed out before coming remotely close to mainstream isnt exactly a bonus. what else is there to look forward to. thats why i have both via ps3 and xbox add-on but would prefer blu to win.

Too much evidence is leaning towards Warner going Blu-Ray exclusive. It seems not even the $98 HD-DVD players will save HD-DVD. Warner didn't go for the same buy out that was offered to them by Toshiba. They are definitely the smarter company with actually caring about software sales and not just earning a quick buck.

xbdestroya, ah $700 manufacturing cost..... ;) Even at $599 I think it is a great device... regardless of my Xbox 360 Red Ring of Death.. Which I have had twice now.. :(

Too much evidence is leaning towards Warner going Blu-Ray exclusive. It seems not even the $98 HD-DVD players will save HD-DVD. Warner didn't go for the same buy out that was offered to them by Toshiba. They are definitely the smarter company with actually caring about software sales and not just earning a quick buck.

Frankly with the A2 coming out so Cheap, if I were the BD group.. I would do BOGO free on movies till Christmas and lower the price some of the stand alone units along with the PS3... Bring it in at $350 or even $299 and they will fly off the shelves...

xbdestroya, ah $700 manufacturing cost..... ;) Even at $599 I think it is a great device... regardless of my Xbox 360 Red Ring of Death.. Which I have had twice now.. :(

i think $700 was the estimated cost at launch, it has to be much lower now. also the 40GB model and i'm guessing future 80GB as well use 65nm cell cpus which lower the manuf cost by quite a bit.

i think $700 was the estimated cost at launch, it has to be much lower now. also the 40GB model and i'm guessing future 80GB as well use 65nm cell cpus which lower the manuf cost by quite a bit.

I know I was just going off xbdestroya quote.... ;)

Re-read the 31st and see if perhaps you have said anything negative about the fanboyish nature of the concept in those threads. Why is the condescension reserved for this forum?
To be honest, I hadn't read those threads. Unless you can find a post from me in either thread implying my approval, your point has no merit. I don't care for the extremism on either side. I only came to this thread because the title looked interesting. From the BD & HD area it says "Warner is watching"
J

I'm really hoping Warner goes Blu-Ray exclusive because it will result in one of these two outcomes:

- HD-DVD death-spiral: we can end this war and Paramount/Universal can switch.
- Stalemate: Hardware manufacturers start producing duel-format players as the defacto-norm.

Either one is fine with me. The current state just simply sucks.

I like blu-rays additional storage and bandwidth giving it room for growth in the future.

This simply means if you're neutral, buy WB BD movies instead of WB HD movies. Sorry pal. Until WB changes it's mind about supporting HD, I'm sticking with Warner HD-DVD movies... :cool:

So your going to be rebuying these movies when HD-DVD dies? That is pretty ridicules, but hey its your money your throwing away not mine :D

Just be dual format and be happy.
Be a HDM fan not a format fanboy.

I think your mentality is what will pro long this so called "war" from ending. On top of that most people don't have enough money to buy two players and why would the CE's & retailers even want that? It will only guaranty that this market will be a niche market. It has been and always will be one format that reigns in the video market. It happened to Betamax, Divx, and hopefully soon it will happen to HD-DVD.

So your going to be rebuying these movies when HD-DVD dies? That is pretty ridicules, but hey its your money your throwing away not mine :D

wow! you're right. didn't think of it that way. I had no idea that my player is set to self-destruct in the event that Warner goes BD. What was I thinking!?!? :rolleyes:

I think your mentality is what will pro long this so called "war" from ending. On top of that most people don't have enough money to buy two players and why would the CE's & retailers even want that? It will only guaranty that this market will be a niche market. It has been and always will be one format that reigns in the video market. It happened to Betamax, Divx, and hopefully soon it will happen to HD-DVD.
If being dual-format keeps me from acting like most of the posters in both of these forums, I'll consider it a worthwhile investment.

wow! you're right. didn't think of it that way. I had no idea that my player is set to self-destruct in the event that Warner goes BD. What was I thinking!?!? :rolleyes:

Well some of you need some sense knocked into you once in a while. :D

xbdestroya, ah $700 manufacturing cost..... ;) Even at $599 I think it is a great device... regardless of my Xbox 360 Red Ring of Death.. Which I have had twice now.. :(

I know I was just going off xbdestroya quote.... ;)

Garman I have to say, I don't understand either one of these comments. Are you confused and think *I* was saying the PS3 costs $700 to manufacture?

This could be the final leg of the race. If you prefer one format over the other (hopefully blu-ray :)) you can make a difference over the next two months.

1. Buy lots of movies! Regardless of hda2's pushed out for $98, software sales are still the ultimate deciding factor.

2. If you are neutral go blu-ray exclusive till January...only 2 months!

Now is not the time for neutrality, pick a side! :D

Wow

All I have to say is HA HA, as a format neutral owner I'm going to buy what ever movie I want on which ever format is either cheaper or has better overall features.

I'm hoping that bothers all these BLU-RAY only fanatics that are all starting their little rallying campaigns.

Seems being a neutral owner really bother some of you while I have more BLU-RAY titles than the VAST majority of BLU-RAY only owners. I've invested more money in BLU-RAY than most of you and didn't buy a game console to support BLU-RAY.

I will not pick a side I will buy which ever I want to even if I have to flip a coin to decide which format of a movie to buy it on.

I'm really hoping Warner goes Blu-Ray exclusive because it will result in one of these two outcomes:

- HD-DVD death-spiral: we can end this war and Paramount/Universal can switch.
- Stalemate: Hardware manufacturers start producing duel-format players as the defacto-norm.

Either one is fine with me. The current state just simply sucks.

i can't see a stalemate happening if Warner goes blu-ray exclusive. i see it happening if Warner goes HD DVD exclusive.

wow! you're right. didn't think of it that way. I had no idea that my player is set to self-destruct in the event that Warner goes BD. What was I thinking!?!? :rolleyes:

Well you never know, considering how much they cost.

Garman I have to say, I don't understand either one of these comments. Are you confused and think *I* was saying the PS3 costs $700 to manufacture?

xbdestroya : I was being sarcastic... ;) Sorry......

Wow

All I have to say is HA HA, as a format neutral owner I'm going to buy what ever movie I want on which ever format is either cheaper or has better overall features.

I'm hoping that bothers all these BLU-RAY only fanatics that are all starting their little rallying campaigns.

Seems being a neutral owner really bother some of you while I have more BLU-RAY titles than the VAST majority of BLU-RAY only owners. I've invested more money in BLU-RAY than most of you and didn't buy a game console to support BLU-RAY.

I will not pick a side I will buy which ever I want to even if I have to flip a coin to decide which format of a movie to buy it on.


Nothing wrong with your comments, but maybe you should post them in the dual format neutral room.... Wait, we don't have one of those yet... :D

I only have about 10 HD-DVDs, I am going to wait... After having 2 A2's die on me the 98 buck price tag reminds me of a couple of paper weights I had for a month or so.. The A20 is a better machine along with the newer A3 model etc... If we all go neutral the War will never be over and at this rate it never will be...I am playing the waiting game for now..

Why don't we just merge every single thread in the HD-DVD/Blu-ray section into one, since this is what they all turn into? No one's opinion is going to be changed by all the childish arguments. Support your format of choice, and what happens will happen.

This could be the final leg of the race. If you prefer one format over the other (hopefully blu-ray :)) you can make a difference over the next two months.

1. Buy lots of movies! Regardless of hda2's pushed out for $98, software sales are still the ultimate deciding factor.

2. If you are neutral go blu-ray exclusive till January...only 2 months!

Now is not the time for neutrality, pick a side! :D

Why? Why should I buy the bluray versions? Because YOU are a blu-ray owner?

As a format neutral guy I will not pick one format over the other when it comes to warner UNLESS one version is cheaper, somehow has better specs or is in stock while the other version isn't. In fact, this happened with the Kubrick discs when I ordered from Amazon last week. The blu ray versions were on backorder and the hd-dvd versions were in stock. You think I should have waited simply to support your format of choice? That is ridiculous.

I'm like the other guy a few posts above...I probably have bought more bluray discs than most vocal bluray only owners and I am not going to simply buy BD versions of warner films simply because IMO, some BD owners have insecurity issues and want us dual format people to support the single format regardless so it can supposedly convince Warner to go BD exclusive. F that.

So your going to be rebuying these movies when HD-DVD dies? That is pretty ridicules, but hey its your money your throwing away not mine :D

For the love of God man learn the diff between your and YOU'RE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

I like blu-rays additional storage and bandwidth giving it room for growth in the future.
Movies aren't likely to get any longer than they are right now. As it presently sits, that extra bandwidth and storage hasn't made any discernible difference in PQ or SQ.

Let one fail, see if I care. I'll either have an excellent upconverting DVD player or a video game machine to play the next-gen movies on, right now I use both, if I only use on in the future, so be it.

It's not my fault there's two formats, and therefore I feel no obligaiton to support or not support one side or another. The side with the best content and prices will eventually win, and I buy based on the content and prices. The ball is in the court of those on the other side of the fence, not ours.

I think some of you people just like to cheer for something, I mean, at the end of the day, who really cares? We have a bunch of high-def content to choose from with cheap players to play it on, and most of that availability is due to the format war. Do yourself a favor and go get two players for what is less than the price of what a stand-alone HD player would be if there was only one format, mail in your generous mail-in rebates, and watch some freaking movies and get over it. "Blue jacket, red jacket, who gives a $hit?" (Sorry, had to include the Happy Gilmore reference).

Movies aren't likely to get any longer than they are right now. As it presently sits, that extra bandwidth and storage hasn't made any discernible difference in PQ or SQ.
Of course it was too much trouble to try to squeeze a lossless audio track on Transformers, and that was only about 2.5 hours. You'd think they'd have put the extras on a 2nd disc then, especially as they're SO MUCH CHEAPER to produce.

But no.

And I'm hearing a lot of complaints about the DC of Troy, which did try to squeeze it all onto 30 GB.

I care because I don't want the inferior format to win and quality to suffer as a result, and I don't believe the competition has changed pricing much, since only Toshiba's gotten radical with it. DVD player pricing fell at the same rate we've seen Blu-ray pricing fall. They also debuted at $1,000 BTW.

For the love of God man learn the diff between your and YOU'RE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

Another disgruntled english teacher? ;) How about spelling out the word "difference".. LOL

Slim: Of course length matters.... ;) In PQ....:D

Cheap Toshiba Players = More Trolling by HD-DVDers in the Blu-Ray forum.... How ironic....

I think your mentality is what will pro long this so called "war" from ending. On top of that most people don't have enough money to buy two players and why would the CE's & retailers even want that? It will only guaranty that this market will be a niche market. It has been and always will be one format that reigns in the video market. It happened to Betamax, Divx, and hopefully soon it will happen to HD-DVD.

You have 71 blu-ray movies but won't pay for an HD-A2 to play HD-DVD's? To each their own I guess. If you can't understand the market differences between these high-def formats and Betamax and Divx, then you have more problems then your 49ers.

I'd have to voice an opposite opinion. Warner clearly is not happy with the lack of interactivity, picture and picture and web enabled features on Blu-ray.

This quarter sales will do nothing as far as brining this interactive market into the blu-ray format. Therefore I think they only want this quarter to show that with lower price players HD DVD can be mass accepted and match software sales of Blu-ray.

Another thought is that there stringing along both formats for "incentives" to at least stay format neutral.... :rolleyes:

That I can agree with. They have stated they are watching standalone sales closely. That being said the advantage is HD. I would be afraid to buy a blu stand alone with all the profile issues. I have a PS3 so I am not worried about that part.

Chances are they already picked a side. There are not a whole lot of neutrals on this forum.

I am neutral and purchase on average 3 of each format a month. Right now I am really not concerned who wins and am just concerned about how long it takes for someone to win. I will not buy a stand alone player until there is a so called winner and will continue to use the 360 and PS3.

Does anyone know if Warner re-upped their BDA membership?

Unfortunately that will not be an issue, as there are no HD-DVDs I am planning to buy this year. Bourne Ultimatum sealed that deal the moment it was announced to be a COMBO.

but my ps3 can load a movie in less time than it takes me t make popcorn and your toshiba yu can run to the store and back and it will be still loading. or you read war and piece befor you load a movie on a 360 drive

Does anyone know if Warner re-upped their BDA membership?If they did you would of already heard about it. :D

but my ps3 can load a movie in less time than it takes me t make popcorn and your toshiba yu can run to the store and back and it will be still loading. or you read war and piece befor you load a movie on a 360 drive

Interesting how you turned a classic novel WAR AND PEACE into a trashy pulp romance WAR AND PIECE.

Guess thats to be expected from a BD supporter.

fafner

Interesting how you turned a classic novel WAR AND PEACE into a trashy pulp romance WAR AND PIECE.

Guess thats to be expected from a BD supporter.

fafner

And a comment like this is typical trolling.... Mr. Fafner.. Of course he is a Blu-Ray supporter with a comment like that, he is also posting in the Blu-Ray forum. :rolleyes: Have you ever read "War and PEACE" ;) LOL

Of all the ways this format war could play out, transitioning to dual format players is likely to be the most lengthy outcome. This would only reinforce consumer confusion and slow mass adoption. The studios and electronics companies want mass market penetration as fast as possible and right now a single format is the only way this will be accomplished.

consumer confusino is also created by producing crippled players (tosh a2) that won't take advantage of current TVs

I just really want the Matrix Trilogy and Batman Begins. What are you waiting for Warner? But there are a bunch of Warner movies I would buy on BD if they would rerelease them as BD optimised titles or at least give us the same TrueHD track on the equivilent HD discs.

It is really telling when you look at the seperate studios and which have been consistant.

% of lossless titles from:

Sony 100%
Disney 100%
Fox 100%
MGM 100%
Warner 22%

And a comment like this is typical trolling.... Mr. Fafner.. Of course he is a Blu-Ray supporter with a comment like that, he is also posting in the Blu-Ray forum. :rolleyes: Have you ever read "War and PEACE" ;) LOL

Yup I have...have you? I would venture to guess you have only read WAR and Peace.

And I do have a BD player but I have not stooped to be a BD fanboi.

fafner

At one time I thought that way too, but then I realized that until one of these formats is killed off and buried, both formats are just going to stay stagnant and fart along.

Hopefully. We are getting plenty of titles and quality is a focus. Once J6P becomes involved the focus on quality will diminish. I hope neither format becomes mainstream and both follow the LD path.

i'll be blu-ray and hd dvd exclusive for the next two months. die hard and bourne....do i get a prize now?

WB isn't going to just look at their own sales, they will be looking at sales from all studios. And how the hardware from both camps does this Xmas.

Besides, there are HD DVD supporters who have this same idea. You will just cancel each other out.

This format war is geting beyond stupid.

You have 71 blu-ray movies but won't pay for an HD-A2 to play HD-DVD's? To each their own I guess. If you can't understand the market differences between these high-def formats and Betamax and Divx, then you have more problems then your 49ers.
At an average of $17 a title (which is honestly about what I spend), I could buy 5.9 Blu-ray movies for the price of a crappy A2. There's not enough exclusive content on HD DVD to make me give those up when it's just a matter of waiting it out.

If I wasn't poor maybe things would be different. Of course I'd get a better HD DVD player than the old A2s Toshiba is dumping.

WB isn't going to just look at their own sales, they will be looking at sales from all studios. And how the hardware from both camps does this Xmas.

Besides, there are HD DVD supporters who have this same idea. You will just cancel each other out.

This format war is geting beyond stupid.

"Getting"?

;)

Kubricks. Pan's Lab(again).Potter. Oceans.

As a side note. Fox is really good at making bank from media, so they're probably the studio to look at.

NBC actually broadcast a rerun of the nightly news instead of 30rock for nearly 10minutes.. And soldout for that damn Bmovie.

Universal/NBC probably isn't going to be a big leader in the Home video market.

Got The Last Samurai on Blu-Ray tonight. It's on sale at Best Buy, along with a few other Warner Blu-Rays; check it out at BestBuy.com.

Ya, problem with warner is that the retards dont include lossless audio. That's a big deal for me now and if a title doesn't have lossless audio, I won't buy it. I don't want to have to double dip w/ blu ray titles. A shame, because I really wanted to pick up the Ocean's trilogy. Ah well, at least I have a half dozen or so other movies to look forward to through the end of the yr..

Just watched Spidey 3 tonight and overall solid movie PQ/AQ. Definetly a very good overall release for Sony of the trilogy.

Interesting how you turned a classic novel WAR AND PEACE into a trashy pulp romance WAR AND PIECE.

Guess thats to be expected from a BD supporter.

fafner

Nice one, on the first part. Your second part is rather fanboyish for someone who states that they "have not stooped to be a BD fanboi." Obviously that pendulum does not swing the other way toward not stooping to being an hddvd "fanboi"


(and if you're wondering, I do agree that his statement was fanboyish, but yours went there too as soon as you said "BD supporter" and not "BD fanboy")

Somehow I think the decision has already been made and they are slowly preparing us for what that is. I believe they've decided to go to Bluray only after the holidays.

Oh please... give me a break!

They have let their BD membership lapse just so they could go BD exclusive ... right? That makes a lot of sense

The fact is that BD simply has not got a lot going for it right now. The majority of studios pretty clearly want BD to win, but it is also clear that they are starting to lose patience with BD's inability to put out a market-ready product. It's been something like a year and a half since BD has been out and prices are still stupidly high, and forget version2 (with modems), there is still next to nothing in terms of 1.1 players. You have Disney's rather public show of anger towards HD DVD a short time ago, the BD+ mess, and now Warner allowing their membership to lapse. They haven't distanced themselves from BD yet, but it's clear that they're setting themselves up for the possibility.

Are the BD sales numbers higher? Well sure they are, but it's pretty much because of the PS3, which is sort of a superficial number. First, the only REAL good thing BD has is the PS3 and those owners and potential owners are a relatively specialized crowd of people which is MUCH smaller than the crowd that wants SA players. And second, BD is fast becoming a niche for PS3 owners because of the sad lack of player sales. So... BD may be ahead at the moment but the potential for BD to grow is just plain not there in comparison to HD DVD.

BD NEEDS to start selling cheap, effective market-ready SA players complete with modems, and they need to start doing this FAST. Why Sony has elected to screw around with a cheaper PS3 for Christmas... I will never know. They NEED A SA PLAYER.... not another PS3

Oh please... give me a break!

They have let their BD membership lapse just so they could go BD exclusive ... right? That makes a lot of sense

The fact is that BD simply has not got a lot going for it right now. The majority of studios pretty clearly want BD to win, but it is also clear that they are starting to lose patience with BD's inability to put out a market-ready product. It's been something like a year and a half since BD has been out and prices are still stupidly high, and forget version2 (with modems), there is still next to nothing in terms of 1.1 players. You have Disney's rather public show of anger towards HD DVD a short time ago, the BD+ mess, and now Warner allowing their membership to lapse. They haven't distanced themselves from BD yet, but it's clear that they're setting themselves up for the possibility.

Are the BD sales numbers higher? Well sure they are, but it's pretty much because of the PS3, which is sort of a superficial number. First, the only REAL good thing BD has is the PS3 and those owners and potential owners are a relatively specialized crowd of people which is MUCH smaller than the crowd that wants SA players. And second, BD is fast becoming a niche for PS3 owners because of the sad lack of player sales. So... BD may be ahead at the moment but the potential for BD to grow is just plain not there in comparison to HD DVD.

BD NEEDS to start selling cheap, effective market-ready SA players complete with modems, and they need to start doing this FAST. Why Sony has elected to screw around with a cheaper PS3 for Christmas... I will never know. They NEED A SA PLAYER.... not another PS3

omfg...quit bitching.

DOn't like SONY? Get a Panasonic. Or Sharp. Or Samsung. Or PHilips. Jeezus, some people just like screeching like a little girl to get attention.

And oh, btw, seems the Sony strategy with the PS3 is working out pretty good. Even though the player cost 5x what Toshiba is charge for an SA player, BD is STILL stomping the living hell out of HDDVD in software sales.

WB isn't going to just look at their own sales, they will be looking at sales from all studios. And how the hardware from both camps does this Xmas.

Besides, there are HD DVD supporters who have this same idea. You will just cancel each other out.

This format war is geting beyond stupid.

Where do they look for these sales numbers? I know I will be buying th enew Panasonic player and I am about to look at Wartner titles now. I want them to go BD exclusive so that this thing can finally be over.

Has it ever been discussed how much royalty hardware manufacturers have to pay Toshiba to license the technology to make an HD-DVD set top player? Just curious. Toshiba got most of the royalties for DVD movies and it just seems like they really are trying hard to gain market share in the hi-def arena even if it means losing money on HD-DVD set top players with the hope of in the future it will recoup the money and more when the format war is over assuming HD-DVD wins. On Amazon, the only HD-DVD players I see are from Toshiba. It would seem as if hardware manufacturers really don't want to make HD-DVD players because for them to market them, they would have to be priced much higher than Toshiba since they are not willing to lose money. I don't know if this is a sign of desperation or a smart move but I guess time will tell.

I'll be going HD-DVD exclusive and buying all my HD-DVD movies from Warner.

HD-DVD is the better player, its cheaper for one and all of my favorite movies are out on the format.

With all the people buying HD-A2s from Best Buy and Wal-Mart, everything has been set in motion for the consumers to buy HD-DVD. Titles are going for less than $20.

The problem with Sony here folks is their sh*t costs too much and half the garbage they make is proprietary. Thats why I hate em.

I can't wait to see what kind of sales figures will be released in coming months and I bet you $$$ Warner will go HD-DVD only after Q1 2008 once they see how many movies in HD-DVD are going to be sold.

Sony could never match the price of the Toshiba player and thats where they failed. If it wasn't for the PS3, BluRay disc would be dead and gone...

Too much evidence is leaning towards Warner going Blu-Ray exclusive. It seems not even the $98 HD-DVD players will save HD-DVD. Warner didn't go for the same buy out that was offered to them by Toshiba. They are definitely the smarter company with actually caring about software sales and not just earning a quick buck.

I'd love to see that evidence...where is it?

Are you referring to the recent quote that they were looking at the 4th quarter sales and are "committed to Blu-Ray"? A quote that was made at a Blu-Ray rally?!? They also stated months ago that they would be "catching up" their Blu-Ray titles with those of HD DVD this year. What happened there? I've seen Polar Express & Terminator 3 announced, and nothing else. Where's the Matrix trilogy, Batman Begins, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Poseidon, The Perfect Storm? Many of their largest releases remain HD DVD exclusive. Why do you think that is? And if anyone remembers, they purposely released the Matrix exclusively on HD DVD to combat the impact of Pirates of the Caribbean I & II on Blu-Ray -- prefaced by a press release touting the HD DVD technology used on the release. They also used the record sales of 300 to suggest other studios should go neutral as well to maximize sales, obviously aimed at Fox and Disney.

WB holds many patents in HD DVD and DVD technology and they are a major player in the DVD Forum. And though every BD fan loves to bring up the 2:1 sales of 300, several WB films have sold better on HD DVD than Blu-Ray including Planet Earth. Last week's sales figures showed the Kubrick films sold more on HD DVD as well.

I'm not claiming they are going one way or the other in the future, but their history seems to point to HD DVD if you were looking for a possible exclusivity shift.

Yeah, so I can impress a bunch of Internet dorks I'm going Blu exclusive. That makes a lot of sense.

I WANT TO PAY HIGH ROYALTIES.

Yeah, so I can impress a bunch of Internet dorks I'm going Blu exclusive. That makes a lot of sense.

I WANT TO PAY HIGH ROYALTIES.


There are just a few too many troll, flame-bait posts in a pro-Blu-ray thread in the Blu-ray subforum.

Too clear up a few things from the last few posts, Blu-ray is not proprietary to Sony. Panasonic is also involved like many other consumer electronic companies that make Blu-ray players.

WB has cleared out Nickerson, ex-Toshiba, who was one of the strongest backer of HD DVD within WB. The opportunity for side deals to make certain titles exclusive to HD DVD is over.

Going forward, smart money is better spent on Blu-ray than on discontinued player tied to a format that is losing approximately 2:1 to the winning Blu-ray format according to Nielson.

omfg...quit bitching.

DOn't like SONY? Get a Panasonic. Or Sharp. Or Samsung. Or PHilips. Jeezus, some people just like screeching like a little girl to get attention.

And oh, btw, seems the Sony strategy with the PS3 is working out pretty good. Even though the player cost 5x what Toshiba is charge for an SA player, BD is STILL stomping the living hell out of HDDVD in software sales.

And losing money doing it....let's all see how it lasts for, shall we?

There are just a few too many troll, flame-bait posts in a pro-Blu-ray thread in the Blu-ray subforum.

Too clear up a few things from the last few posts, Blu-ray is not proprietary to Sony. Panasonic is also involved like many other consumer electronic companies that make Blu-ray players.

WB has cleared out Nickerson, ex-Toshiba, who was one of the strongest backer of HD DVD within WB. The opportunity for side deals to make certain titles exclusive to HD DVD is over.

Going forward, smart money is better spent on Blu-ray than on discontinued player tied to a format that is losing approximately 2:1 to the winning Blu-ray format according to Nielson.

Well to be fair the 60GB PS3 is discontinued, as well as plenty of other good BR players that are still on store shelves.
I think the A2 should be taken very, very seriously by supporters of either format. Who knows what impact it will really have. But to poo-poo it doesn't help BR win the format war. In fact, not taking those prices seriously could be a terminal strategy for BR supporters.
This is going to be one lively couple of months.

Well, I am not buying into the whole HD-DVD thing yet... I have a Xbox add on, and the piece of crap A2 they are selling I wouldn't touch for $50 bucks. I went through 2 of them... That being said, Blu-Ray needs to counter punch quickly if they can't they will take a big hit.... Lower there prices on some of there Blu-Ray players... Have a Fire sale on them and remaining old stock of players and do the BOGO free sale again, that should surely help....

Posted Yesterday:
Yeah at least your kids won't put lead based toys in there mouth.. ;) I agree made in China/Japan doesn't matter... Even being made here is still good, our workers just want more money.... Plus what do you expect from a Communist government no environmental controls the country in 10 years will be a wasteland because of making cheap products for Europe and America!.. No on Topic... I am not buying the A2 it doesn't do what I need it to do for the types of TVs I have.... Oh well.. maybe a better player from them if they also come down..

Which is it?

There are just a few too many troll, flame-bait posts in a pro-Blu-ray thread in the Blu-ray subforum.



Ya think?!

the reason sony dont give away their br players like toshiba is they would be the olny one in the game like toshiba. if WB goes hd they will be shooting them in the foot sence the war will never end.

Warner will be BD exclusive in 3 months. Late January once they see the numbers. Paramount only has a little less then 16 months left on their deal also. Like I said before, Toshiba's deals will have minimal impact. Sony is marketing the ps3 and blu-ray perfect for the holiday season.

Warner will be BD exclusive in 3 months. Late January once they see the numbers. Paramount only has a little less then 16 months left on their deal also. Like I said before, Toshiba's deals will have minimal impact. Sony is marketing the ps3 and blu-ray perfect for the holiday season.


I won't take that prediction serious until you make it your custom sig. ;)

Warner will be BD exclusive in 3 months. Late January once they see the numbers. Paramount only has a little less then 16 months left on their deal also. Like I said before, Toshiba's deals will have minimal impact. Sony is marketing the ps3 and blu-ray perfect for the holiday season.

lol got any proof of this 18 month deal your speaking off .


Anyway I wonder why warner will go exclusive to bluray when they have allways leaned towards hd dvd. Just look at their releases that are missing on bluray , things like the matrix .


As for the cost to produce the ps3 . I'd pin it around $650 bucks or so for the 80 gig version and above $600 on the 40 gig version. That is why sony is limiting the amount of 40 gigs in the market. They want to increase their instal base but not break the bank doing it.

Sony keeps loosing money each quarter. What was it 800m last quarter in their gaming divison . Pretty soon we will start making fun of them like sony fans make fun of ms and the original xbox losses

Anyway I wonder why warner will go exclusive to bluray when they have allways leaned towards hd dvd.

The logic is they would do it to facilitate the "end of the war" so to speak. Some feel that Blu-ray has a better chance of defeating HD-DVD if Warner goes Blu-ray only than HD-DVD has a chance of beating Blu-ray if Warner goes HD-DVD only.

lol got any proof of this 18 month deal your speaking off .


Anyway I wonder why warner will go exclusive to bluray when they have allways leaned towards hd dvd. Just look at their releases that are missing on bluray , things like the matrix .


As for the cost to produce the ps3 . I'd pin it around $650 bucks or so for the 80 gig version and above $600 on the 40 gig version. That is why sony is limiting the amount of 40 gigs in the market. They want to increase their instal base but not break the bank doing it.

Sony keeps loosing money each quarter. What was it 800m last quarter in their gaming divison . Pretty soon we will start making fun of them like sony fans make fun of ms and the original xbox losses

1. Warner is waiting for widespread adoption for 1.1 features. I guess you missed the LAST SIX MONTHS of threads on this topic.

2. Even if Warner was initially more behind HDDVD, current sales are MUCH more positive for everyone one of the format neutral titles. Unless the Warner accountants don't like earning money, they will remain neutral at least. If HD DVD sales continue to slide, then it is very likely to go BD exclusive by CES.

3. Sony Corp just made about ~600-700 million the last quarter. I'm sure megacorporations such as Toshiba and Sony appreciate your concerns about their profitability.

Warner will be BD exclusive in 3 months. Late January once they see the numbers. Paramount only has a little less then 16 months left on their deal also. Like I said before, Toshiba's deals will have minimal impact. Sony is marketing the ps3 and blu-ray perfect for the holiday season.

You are in fantasy land...seriously...
There are just so many reasons why WB has no interest in BD suceeding. They have never wanted this war either as they would have prefered HD-DVD from the outset. Just look into royalties and you will have your answer.
HD-DVD needs another couple of super sales during this holiday season and the game is over...
I'm of the opinion that BD would be just prolonging the war if they offered a lower priced PS3....don't get me wrong...I would love to pick up a PS3 for $199...I just can't honestly believe it will happen but you never know...

LIP

1. Warner is waiting for widespread adoption for 1.1 features. I guess you missed the LAST SIX MONTHS of threads on this topic.

2. Even if Warner was initially more behind HDDVD, current sales are MUCH more positive for everyone one of the format neutral titles. Unless the Warner accountants don't like earning money, they will remain neutral at least. If HD DVD sales continue to slide, then it is very likely to go BD exclusive by CES.

3. Sony Corp just made about ~600-700 million the last quarter. I'm sure megacorporations such as Toshiba and Sony appreciate your concerns about their profitability.


The current software sales by both sides is so pathetic at this point in time that there is no point even looking at it to guide you to a judgement to which way this war will end....the players are looking for mass adoption and how to get there the quickest...Walmart fired the first shot with cheap HD-DVD players and plasma screens...
When there are 3-4 million HD players that are 100% being used to play HD movies, then the industry players will stand up and take notice where the software sales are going to....

1. Warner is waiting for widespread adoption for 1.1 features. I guess you missed the LAST SIX MONTHS of threads on this topic


No I haven't . Still waiting for 1.1 players to hit the market in any amount of decent numbers.

2. Even if Warner was initially more behind HDDVD, current sales are MUCH more positive for everyone one of the format neutral titles. Unless the Warner accountants don't like earning money, they will remain neutral at least. If HD DVD sales continue to slide, then it is very likely to go BD exclusive by CES


Do you have any proof that sales are much better on bluray than hd dvd for all the titles ? or is it only big summer block busters that are doing better like 300 ?

Also can you break down the costs on the discs. 300 is selling at a higher price point than its bluray versions and by all accounts the cost to produce them is much much cheaper.

3. Sony Corp just made about ~600-700 million the last quarter. I'm sure megacorporations such as Toshiba and Sony appreciate your concerns about their profitability.


Yes and its entertainment devision lost about 800m because of the ps3 dispite having money makers like the ps2 and psp .



Then there are other factors out there that your not looking at

1) increased support by warner of hd dvd compared to bluray

2) cheaper costs to produce hd dvds

3) more hd dvd capacity

4) more stand alone units in homes

5) xbox add on that are dedicated hd dvd players unlike the ps3 counter parts

6) ms introducing hd dvd players internaly in xbox 360s early next year which is currently outselling ps3s in NA by a factor of almost 5:1

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Which is it?

Simple I went through 2 of them a while back ago and even though the prices sure are nice I won't be buying another one because of what happen, and I want 1080p output. Now that being said, I might
have better luck with a A35 or I might look at the Samsung 5000 if it ever comes out.

gljvd: Since this is a Blu-Ray Thread, what is your take on Blu-Ray? ;)

Format neutral is like kissing your sister, its pointless and stupid. I dont know why
the mods are letting these HD-DVD guys crap all over the BD forum. Its just a back
door for trolls to get in through.

I am picking WB Blu-Ray when I buy my movies. I have both formats and I plan on buying the Blu-Ray versions of the upcoming releases on WB. I might grab some back catalog if the price is right. I'm still waiting for the Matrix Trilogy on Blu-Ray I am really looking forward to Profile 1.1 BDs

Not doing anything in specific to "support" a format. But I did buy The Shining, Full Metal Jacket and Blood Diamond at Best Buy tonight and I've got 2001 and A Clockwork Orange on order from Amazon now. I think Warner's release schedule has done plenty to get me to spend my money all on its' own.

ill buy which version is cheaper given that they have the same pq and features.

Warner and Paramount were brought over to blu's side by the fact that the PS3 was going to destroy all competitors and usher in the mass adoption of HDM. It didn't happen. I bought a PS3 recently to become format neutral, but if Warner switches sides I'll be reselling before bluray movie playback becomes a non-selling point.

this forum seems to have more HD DVD owners, is that because HD DVD is better?

this forum seems to have more HD DVD owners, is that because HD DVD is better?

Yes.

Yes.

this forum seems to have more HD DVD owners, is that because HD DVD is better?

No, it's not better. HD DVD was around first and this forum is full of early adapters. If HD DVD loses the format war, owners will feel the pain of defeat. I had HD DVD and dumped it based on my personal experience in sales of both formats or at least sales on the blu side. And, no combo disc's are great reason to stick with blu!

I know it was unintentional but...

I like that term "Early Adapters"

It makes me feel a lot smarter than "Early Adopters".

If Warner does goe to HD-DVD, then I will not support HD-DVD(don't ask why not). I already made a large investment in BD's and and I only expect better. However, one inditcator that Warner might go BD is on their site, (I forgot the name of the film) there is a film that is only coming on Blu Ray - not HD-DVD. That's goos. Now if Wanrer can come out with Superfly in SURROUND SOUND and very cleaned up picture, that would be nice.

Sony keeps loosing money each quarter. What was it 800m last quarter in their gaming divison . Pretty soon we will start making fun of them like sony fans make fun of ms and the original xbox losses
Only the gaming division lost money; the company itself is UP.

And what about MS having to set aside more than $1 billion dollars for XBox repairs? Makes the Sony millions lost in gaming look pretty good.

Then there are other factors out there that your not looking at

1) increased support by warner of hd dvd compared to bluray

2) cheaper costs to produce hd dvds

3) more hd dvd capacity

4) more stand alone units in homes

5) xbox add on that are dedicated hd dvd players unlike the ps3 counter parts

6) ms introducing hd dvd players internaly in xbox 360s early next year which is currently outselling ps3s in NA by a factor of almost 5:1

Where exactly is this increased support for hd dvd by WB? You mean the fact that at first they were only releasing on hd dvd but are now releasing all titles on both formats... oh, wait, that is exactly the opposite of what you said.

And where is this hd dvd with more capacity? How many do you own?

Then we have the internal hd dvd playing 369, which is NOT coming out early next year, if at all. The story quoted a LATE 2008 announcement with a release in 2009 likely. Not to mention all the people that are going to be be pissed off because A)it's another NEW 360 model that includes something that should have been in there in the first place or B)the hd dvd will not be used for games because they would, in effect, be splitting their games between old 360 dvd's and new 360 hd dvds (a la sega cd)

Also, if you're going to start off your post by giving someone crap about sighting sources, you may want to do so yourself when attempting to give "facts"

Where exactly is this increased support for hd dvd by WB?

He could possibly mean the two dozen titles exclusive on HD DVD from Warner that were never released on Blu-ray and/or that many of the titles contain lossless tracks, aditional extras, content, interactivity or even online web enabled features not included on the neutral Blu-ray versions.

And where is this hd dvd with more capacity?

Over 70% of Warners releases were actually on single layer 25g discs so on the majority of all titles available have more space on the HD DVD versions.