We all know about Fox's obnoxious pricing of it's Blu-ray titles. Though many among us buy these overpriced titles we need to request Fox to make a note of the below

GET RID-OFF THE WORDS DELAY, DELAYED, BUMP, BUMPED FROM YOUR DICTIONARY

1) Improve the case quality and the cover art.
2) Give us 640 Kbps for DD tracks and NOT 448 Kbps.
3) Try refraining from releasing CUT versions and titles with NO EXTRAS on Blu-ray.
4) Price reduction ?

Who care about DD640, we have DTS 1.5mbits witch is 24bit/48khz all around..

All FOX (not MGM) release are 24mbits AVG AVC transfert, witch is more than Disney is doing. Some are even 37mbits AVG

DTS HD MA is here to stay, Fox liked DTS on DVD, just like New Line... and they are both using it. The Fact is in 1 year nobody will care about that since they'll all support it..

I would like Fox to drop using low to mid-range MPEG-2 encodes, especially on BD-25 medium.

How about some good extras all around like The Fly? Just so long as the video and audio of the main feature are presented IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY FIRST.

Lowering their price structure a smidge would help move more discs. Even Disney has a slightly lower new release MSRP than the norm!

Better quality BD pressings.

Dan

5) Use high bit rate transfers on the movies too and not only on the trailers.


I think that Fox, with its recent releases, is doing a distinctly better job than anybody else on the bitrate front. The bitrates on Mr. Brooks and Silver Surfer are very generous, and the excellent PQ on these titles shows what you get with these generous bitrates.

2) Avoid burning to flimsy BD media and follow the footsteps of Sony and BVHE which uses a relatively thicker media.

Burned? Um... lgans, no major studio "burns" their disc, they're all pressed.

:p

fitprod

I would like Fox to drop using low to mid-range MPEG-2 encodes, especially on BD-25 medium.

How about some good extras all around like The Fly? Just so long as the video and audio of the main feature are presented IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY FIRST.

Lowering their price structure a smidge would help move more discs. Even Disney has a slightly lower new release MSRP than the norm!

Better quality BD pressings.

Dan

yes, main feature quality, there is one thing they are doing and doing right and that is DTS Master, that I can give them, however they have stumbled on video

18mbps mpeg2 might be *barely* ok with a 2.40:1 image, however, 18mbps mpeg2 for a nearly full frame 1.85:1 image is not going to cut it, Courage Under Fire for example

what is Speed 13 mbps AVC?, nope, sorry! not going to cut it

I also agree on the coverart, double sided printing at least, Fox do you realize you are charging 40$ MSRP for your titles? sometimes I wonder, for that kind of scratch I want top notch media, 30+ mbps AVC video, DTS Master audio minimum

if they want to use mpeg2, D-Theater quality minimum (28 Mbps give or take) on BD50

-Gary

Fox's recent efforts are fine in terms of video quality. Understanding that bit-rate doesn't mean everything, it seems that they are almost done with somewhat low bit-rate MPEG-2 and AVC encodes.

As far as audio goes, Fox has already flooded the market with DTS-HD MA encodes, and New Line is using the same approach. Therefore, there is no point in fighting this anymore. Fox clearly doesn't listen to us anyway, so we should just be happy that they offer lossless audio on every release.

What Fox needs to do is lower the pricing of their catalog titles to that of the other studios, and include every extra possible on every release. They have included every extra on a few of their recent releases, so things look promising there.

Most importantly, Fox needs to stop announcing and then canceling BDs right before their supposed release dates. They have almost zero credibility now when it comes to announcements. All hell will break loose if they don't give us the BDs of the first three Die Hard films on time.

Well, there's my opinion that Fox will never care about. :p

Fox's recent efforts are fine in terms of video quality. Understanding that bit-rate doesn't mean everything, it seems that they are almost done with somewhat low bit-rate MPEG-2 and AVC encodes.

As far as audio goes, Fox has already flooded the market with DTS-HD MA encodes, and New Line is using the same approach. Therefore, there is no point in fighting this anymore. Fox clearly doesn't listen to us anyway, so we should just be happy that they offer lossless audio on every release.

What Fox needs to do is lower the pricing of their catalog titles to that of the other studios, and include every extra possible on every release. They have included every extra with a few of their recent releases, so things look promising there.

Most importantly, Fox needs to stop announcing and then canceling BDs right before their supposed release dates. They have almost zero credibility now when it comes to announcements. All hell will break loose if they don't give us the BDs of the first three Die Hard films on time.

Well, there's my opinion that Fox will never care about. :p

no Die Hard's = blood flowing in the streets :mad:

-Gary

Fox has, with day and date releases anyways, been consistently amongst the best in terms of audio and video quality. Always supplying DTS HD MA, and lately, almost always using AVC at highish bitrates. The only flaws in their releases, if there are any, are using poor masters. Everything else seems to be up to the best the industry has to offer.

And a big fat no for packing in LPCM. That's a space waster, and I'm so glad Fox has opted not to use it. As for Dolby Digital, if it's not mandatory, I'd hope Fox would ditch including it altogether (even if it is small, the DTS track is far superior).

and requesting in a thread will do what?

...And a big fat no for packing in LPCM. That's a space waster, and I'm so glad Fox has opted not to use it. As for Dolby Digital, if it's not mandatory, I'd hope Fox would ditch including it altogether (even if it is small, the DTS track is far superior).

Remember that BD has 9Mbps bandwidth reserved for audio. If you don't use it you lose it. So unless Fox is using it for 2 DTS-HD Master tracks (or because of the limited space of a single layer) they are wasting bandwidth by using a single DTS-HD Master track. ;)

I wonder if the OP's ears can really differentiate 640 DD from 448 DD. :rolleyes:

I wonder if the OP's ears can really differentiate 640 DD from 448 DD. :rolleyes:

there is a difference, the way I want to word it is a slight edginess to the more compressed 448, more fatiguing and harsh, there are some wonderful full bitrate DD tracks on D-Theater for example, they are much better than DVD

-Gary

there is a difference, the way I want to word it is a slight edginess to the more compressed 448, more fatiguing and harsh, there are some wonderful full bitrate DD tracks on D-Theater for example, they are much better than DVD

-Gary

I haven't noticed any edginess in 448Kbps tracks, though I definitely do in 392Kbps tracks, fortunately, those seem to be banished from discs anymore. My experience with 448Kbps is just that they are rolled too much, excessive loss of highs. 640Kbps is definitely an improvement and 1.5Mbps DTS is approaching ultimate to my ears. Depending on the specific soundtrack, either 1.5Mbps DTS or 640Kbps DD could be right for the job. IMO it has to be a pretty old film before 448Kbps truly gives the audio justice!

Dunno what the OP is smokin, but all the newer Fox Titles are kick butt on PQ.

DTS, PCM, TrueHD. all sound excellent imho on 99% of the equip out there.

While I agree some of the very very early BD fox titles are average at best, the same could be said for several studios on both HD-DVD and Blu-ray, these days are over. Most studios are starting to pay more attention to quaility. Especially Disney/Sony/Fox

Remember that BD has 9Mbps bandwidth reserved for audio. If you don't use it you lose it. So unless Fox is using it for 2 DTS-HD Master tracks (or because of the limited space of a single layer) they are wasting bandwidth by using a single DTS-HD Master track. ;)
It's true that there is a large amount of bandwidth set aside for audio on Blu-ray Disc, but this neglects that any unnecessary audio STILL eats in to the space used on the disc (and LPCM is the worst offender, consuming 4.6/6.9 Mbps no matter if it's silence or the most complex scene in the film). For a two hour film, 4.6 Mbps is around 4 GB of disc space. 6.9 Mbps works out to around 6 GB of disc space. That's a lot of space to waste that could otherwise be used for more extras, more episodes (if TV-on-BD), etc.

To put it in perspective, if you had content that utilized the max video bitrate and the max audio bitrate, you could only fit about 2.5 hours on a single BD50. But if you use a lower average bitrate, and minimize the size of the audio (by using as few tracks as possible) you leave space leftover for other things (trailers, extras, etc).

Sunshine

How about a request to Fox to lower their ridiculous prices?

And a big fat no for packing in LPCM. That's a space waster,

Space on a BD-50?? This is blu ray, not hd dvd, we have space to spare and then some. I think all discs should have lpcm tracks, why bother with true hd or dtshd ma, when you have a 50 gb disc to work with?? 6gb for a 24 bit lpcm track, that leaves 44gb for the movie and extras lol.

I like the fact they are at least putting on a lossless track, but dts-hd ma is very limited right now as to who can actually hear this. Once the ps3 can decode this, then it will be more embraced. As far as video, why aren't all the studios maxing bitrate out?? Why compress video any more then you need too?? If you can do 40mb/s video, then do it.

How about a request to Fox to lower their ridiculous prices?

Yes! $28 for catalogue titles, I think not Fox. Knock it back by at least $4.

And that $28 figure you quoted is Amazon's price...MSRP is $39.99.

Fox's catalog prices should be $29.99 like everyone else. (MSRP)

...To put it in perspective, if you had content that utilized the max video bitrate and the max audio bitrate, you could only fit about 2.5 hours on a single BD50. But if you use a lower average bitrate, and minimize the size of the audio (by using as few tracks as possible) you leave space leftover for other things (trailers, extras, etc).
Please give just one example of a Fox title that fits this model (max video rate, 2.5 hours, and extras).:D

Dunno what the OP is smokin, but all the newer Fox Titles are kick butt on PQ.

DTS, PCM, TrueHD. all sound excellent imho on 99% of the equip out there.

While I agree some of the very very early BD fox titles are average at best, the same could be said for several studios on both HD-DVD and Blu-ray, these days are over. Most studios are starting to pay more attention to quaility. Especially Disney/Sony/Fox

Have you seen the new Robocop release from Fox lately?

:confused:

Fox has been doing a great job, even the MPEG-2 18mbps look good, not perfect or phenominal, but good non the less.

I think with the newer films its a lot easier to budget the money towards a better encode then it is a movie that has been around 15-20+ years. I can't wait to watch Mr.Broks tonight 37mbps AVC mmmmm

And the Core DTS 1.5mbps track is on par with DD+ tracks I've heard, so no complaints, sure PCM would be cool, but as long as its looks and sounds good I am good.

Though if and when they get off their butts to release Star Wars (which I am sure Lucasfilm will do the encode themselves) it will be 50GB discs for the movies and good 37mbps AVC with Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. I hope that the same goes for Alien and Aliens.

~Bobby

Fox is a complete joke with their over priced MPEG-2 SL 25 catalog releases. Combine that with the fact the majority of their precisionaly timed press releases feature titles they end up canceling I have to wonder how anyone could support them.