I played a few rounds of TDM last night....

Apparently some people got bored and decided to eff this game up as well. From speed hacks to spam messages and going outside of maps...

Oh! and I experienced commando knife in this game for the first time. Happened twice before I decided to switch lobby. The guy I was shooting from the top of the staircase with my Ak-47 and he just kept on running towards me and then lunged from the bottom of the staircase. Needless to say I was shocked to discover the roots of MW2. I know I will get a lot heat for sharing my experience but lets face it, it is what it is.

Do tell! :eek:

Be you whom I think ye be?

Arrggghhh, I be.

Yaaaaaaargh!!!! Ahoy me matey!

I thought talk like a pirate day was in October. Oh well

Yaarh,
Welcome aboard the best ship in the COD fleet.
Don't piss off (or on) the captain or ye'll be walkin the plank.

I thought talk like a pirate day was in October. Oh well

Yaarh,
Welcome aboard the best ship in the COD fleet.
Don't piss off (or on) the captain or ye'll be walkin the plank.

I've already been to Davy Jones locker once matey!

Were you punished for assassinating somebody?

Apparently some people got bored and decided to eff this game up as well. From speed hacks to spam messages and going outside of maps..

Goddamn, you aint kidding! I tried to play some last night, and it seems that every other match I tried to play was either a hacked room, or full of glitchers.. One match had super speed, one had unlimited / rapid fire noob tubes, it was just effin crazy. Is it even worth reporting these guys???

Were you punished for assassinating somebody?

Maybe someone worked up an old number six on him...

Goddamn, you aint kidding! I tried to play some last night, and it seems that every other match I tried to play was either a hacked room, or full of glitchers.. One match had super speed, one had unlimited / rapid fire noob tubes, it was just effin crazy. Is it even worth reporting these guys???

I was trying to get some chill game time in the other night and it was completely ruined by all the dbags hackers/spammers or whatever the heck they are called.

Have you checked out Game Dunzo yet? I looked in the MW2 lobby and it was empty but guess who didn't have an empty room. heh =/

Anyway, if I fin enough people to play on GD, I will be happy because it's on a dedicated server and will be free from hacks and host migration.

Goddamn, you aint kidding! I tried to play some last night, and it seems that every other match I tried to play was either a hacked room, or full of glitchers.. One match had super speed, one had unlimited / rapid fire noob tubes, it was just effin crazy. Is it even worth reporting these guys???

Same here. I also saw guys 50ft in the air (elevator glitch) in a lot of the matches I was in last night. I still report them but I doubt it does any good. Maybe IW should just openly allow glitchers and hackers, but have separate lobbies just for them. Then they can fly through the air and auto-noobtube all they want. I doubt they'd enjoy it as much if they didn't think they were ruining the game for somebody else though. Damn cheaters.

I don't understand how they can continue to sell the game and (seemingly) drop support for it. I wonder if there is an implied contract that would obligate them to patch the game to stop the hackers. I wish some enterprising lawyer could start a class actions that could maybe scare Activision/IW into fixing the problem. I always report the hackers but not sure it does any good anymore. Luckily, in hardcore, there are still enough normal people playing that I can almost always find a normal game.

I don't understand how they can continue to sell the game and (seemingly) drop support for it. I wonder if there is an implied contract that would obligate them to patch the game to stop the hackers. I wish some enterprising lawyer could start a class actions that could maybe scare Activision/IW into fixing the problem. I always report the hackers but not sure it does any good anymore. Luckily, in hardcore, there are still enough normal people playing that I can almost always find a normal game.

It's really unfortunate for us normal players to deal with the bs on the daily now more than ever before. Hopefully more and more people will join GD and then we can finally play all the FPS games that we like in peace. They don't have CoD4 in their list of games and MW2 didn't have any players when I checked yesterday but BLOPS had a few. They may add CoD4 once they get enough subscribers and interest. Fingers crossed.

I may be wrong here, but wouldnt GD only work for private type matches? What if you wanted to rank up, prestige, etc? How does that work?

I may be wrong here, but wouldnt GD only work for private type matches? What if you wanted to rank up, prestige, etc? How does that work?

Good question but from what I read and understood so far is that whomever you want to match with and it could be 1v1 or team vs team and once every one accepts the challenge request, GD sends out game invite and acts as a bot. I am going to try it out tonight and see how it really works. If you guys want to try it out as well then let me know and my gamertag and GD user name is the same: jitu757

Btw, they do have CoD4 on their server.

Good question but from what I read and understood so far is that whomever you want to match with and it could be 1v1 or team vs team and once every one accepts the challenge request, GD sends out game invite and acts as a bot. I am going to try it out tonight and see how it really works. If you guys want to try it out as well then let me know and my gamertag and GD user name is the same: jitu757

I will have to let my friend BlazingSaddles2 know about this, he may be interested in checking this out too...

http://gametechmods.com/forums/Smileys/gtm/coolface.gif

I will have to let my friend BlazingSaddles2 know about this, he may be interested in checking this out too...

http://gametechmods.com/forums/Smileys/gtm/coolface.gif

lol! looks like Cool_face's avatar :D

lol! looks like Cool_face's avatar :D

I am the Yin to Cool Face's Yang... LOL

http://a323.yahoofs.com/coreid/4b78f89di233czul6sp1/s8GE65s8erSkxMq2CTjBWFkXdct7U0A-/5/tn48.jpg?ciAw8eOB5Y.CSfs2

Anyone up for a nostalgia night soon?

Anyone up for a nostalgia night soon?

Yep, I think I am ready to go back to IW games again. I have been playing BLOPS exclusively for a week now and I just can't seem to love it 100%

When you thinking about getting on?

One evening this week maybe? Anyone?

One evening this week maybe? Anyone?

I am down.

Count me in depending on which night.

I'll probably play. I may need a break from building my new computer and running ethernet cable to my PC/music room.

Schweet

I am always down like 4 flat tires on a Cadillac to play COD4. Still the Greatest Game Ever.

I'm in, so long as it's not during the Finals game

I am always down like 4 flat tires on a Cadillac to play COD4. Still the Greatest Game Ever.

hah! I will believe it when I see it. :D

i'm in, so long as it's not during the finals game

+1!!

Yep, I think I am ready to go back to IW games again. I have been playing BLOPS exclusively for a week now and I just can't seem to love it 100%

When you thinking about getting on?

Don't go into the BLOPS light, lol! Oops, too late. I haven't played MW2 or COD4 much lately cause not as many of you on recently and I don't have BLOPS.

I'm def down for some COD4 action. As much as I can get into MW2 at times, I sometimes just feel like a robot or automaton, doing the same thing over and over. The last couple times I played COD4 I was rusty. Nowhere near as good as I used to be. I'm ready for a new (old) challenge. I've played MW2 twice as much as COD4 (in part cause I got COD4 March 2008 and MW2 Nov 2009) and def want to go back to COD4 and play a bit differently than the first time around.

Lets get some input on what day(s) we can do this. I'm itching to play.

I got on tonight to play some CoD4 and nobody wanted to play. Tried to join the BLOPS crew and couldn't and then put CoD4 back on to play but few minutes later my brother got on BLOPS and invited me to play, so, I switched again and played this stupid game. God the hit detection in this game....sign. I wont even start this losing battle.

I have decided I am just going to save up my MS points for map packs for MW3 because my money isn't worth dumping into a game that is inconsistent. It has its good moments but when it's bad it's terrible.

Anyway I will be on CoD4 this week if anyone want to send me invites or drop into my session.

I got on to Blops late and only stayed for a few games.

Off topic sorry but I am going to start building my next AR-15 and starting with the lower. So many to choose from and I would like a Colt but they are hard to come by and I want all new parts. So, what's the best lower out there? I read about mixing Colt lower with a different brand upper habing a pin size
Issue. Ideas???

The pin size is old news for Colt, and nothing you need worry about on new lowers. They havent made any big pin lowers in the past 3 years. That said.. Colt only sells their lowers with complete rifles, so my advice if you want a Colt lower.. buy one of those $999 Colt 6920's thats being advertised all over the place.. and then sell the upper. You'll probably get about $600-650 for the upper.. leaving you with a $350-400 Colt lower. A year or two ago.. you could have asked for as much as $700-800 for a brand new Colt upper. But considering Colt sells the brand new 6920 upper directly to the customer for $689.. thats no longer the case. Then again theres alot of "uninformed" people who dont know Colt sells uppers directly to the public, and might just pay $700 for it.

http://www.coltsmfg.com/ShopOnline/tabid/62/ProdID/301/Default.aspx

As far as whats the best lower out there. From what I've read, as long as the lower is 100% in-spec/milspec.. then they are all exactly the same, function the same and you are paying only for the rollmark. If you are left handed or shoot left handed.. you may want to invest in a lower thats ambidextrous. With the fire controls & mag release on both sides. Companies like Noveske & DD put extra features on their lowers too.. Noveske has a fully flared lower with a huge magwell that will make mag changes extremely easy. My DD lower has a internally flared magwell, to make mag changes easier. My DD also has a rear QD socket on the end plate, which is a nice feature. Another complete lower to consider is the LMT SOPMOD. Its as low as $439.. but you get the $200 SOPMOD stock with it and a Ergo grip. You can even choose tan or black colours, but the best part is that you are paying $200-250 for the complete lower (minus stock/grip) in reality. If you want that stock & grip, then go for it. LMT is completely milspec and used by British and other militaries.

Check it out here.. $439
http://dynamicarmament.com/items/ar-15-lower-receivers/lmt-complete-lower-with-sopmod-collapsing-stock-buttstock-lmtcompletelowerwithsopmodcollapsingstockb-detail.htm

The LMT SOPMOD or the the Noveske Flared Forged lower will be my next AR purchase. (next year 2012)
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2011/03/01/noveske-flared-forged-lower-aka-the-ffl/

BCM and DD are always great choices. But considering the wait times involved with both, I'd rather go with something else thats instock.

The pin size is old news for Colt, and nothing you need worry about on new lowers. They havent made any big pin lowers in the past 3 years. That said.. Colt only sells their lowers with complete rifles, so my advice if you want a Colt lower.. buy one of those $999 Colt 6920's thats being advertised all over the place.. and then sell the upper. You'll probably get about $600-650 for the upper.. leaving you with a $350-400 Colt lower. A year or two ago.. you could have asked for as much as $700-800 for a brand new Colt upper. But considering Colt sells the brand new 6920 upper directly to the customer for $689.. thats no longer the case. Then again theres alot of "uninformed" people who dont know Colt sells uppers directly to the public, and might just pay $700 for it.

http://www.coltsmfg.com/ShopOnline/tabid/62/ProdID/301/Default.aspx

As far as whats the best lower out there. From what I've read, as long as the upper is 100% in-spec/milspec.. then they are all exactly the same, function the same and you are paying only for the rollmark. If you are left handed or shoot left handed.. you may want to invest in a lower thats ambidextrous. With the fire controls & mag release on both sides. Companies like Noveske & DD put extra features on their lowers too.. Noveske has a fully flared lower with a huge magwell that will make mag changes extremely easy. My DD lower has a internally flared magwell, to make mag changes easier. My DD also has a rear QD socket on the end plate, which is a nice feature. Another complete lower to consider is the LMT SOPMOD. Its as low as $439.. but you get the $200 SOPMOD stock with it and a Ergo grip. You can even choose tan or black colours, but the best part is that you are paying $200-250 for the complete lower (minus stock/grip) in reality. If you want that stock & grip, then go for it. LMT is completely milspec and used by British and other militaries.

Check it out here.. $439
http://dynamicarmament.com/items/ar-15-lower-receivers/lmt-complete-lower-with-sopmod-collapsing-stock-buttstock-lmtcompletelowerwithsopmodcollapsingstockb-detail.htm

The LMT SOPMOD or the the Noveske Flared Forged lower will be my next AR purchase. (next year 2012)
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2011/03/01/noveske-flared-forged-lower-aka-the-ffl/

BCM and DD are always great choices. But considering the wait times involved with both, I'd rather go with something else thats instock.

Awesome and thanks for the big write up Dr. D

Would you build from a stripped lower or just buy the lower receiver kit? I did look at the DD stripper lower on their site and going to check out Noveske. Got a lot of reading to do.

Edit: Also interested in the matte black finish upper and lower too.

Just checked out the POF lower...looking nice!

Awesome and thanks for the big write up Dr. D

Would you build from a stripped lower or just buy the lower receiver kit? I did look at the DD stripper lower on their site and going to check out Noveske. Got a lot of reading to do.

Edit: Also interested in the matte black finish upper and lower too.

No problem man. Glad to be able to help. I personally wont build a stripped lower because I like to having a 100% factory gun. I like that my Colt is 100% Colt from the factory. Same goes with my DD.. 100% from the factory. The main reason to buy a stripped lower and build.. is to either A) save money or B) use custom parts.

I dont believe in saving money when it comes to firearms. Period. Its the one place where I absolutely refuse to go cheap. I believe you really do get what you pay for. I believe quality, namebrand firearms buy reputible manufacters do not depreciate. And I believe quality, namebrand firearms are excellent investments that not depreciate and is something I will never lose money on. So I will never recommend looking to save money by buying cheaper parts or a cheaper gun. The last place I want to cheapout on.. is the very thing that could save my life. If I cant afford what I want when it comes to firearms, then I just continue to save up for it until I can buy it.

As far as using custom parts, thats totally cool. My DD is about as custom as custom gets, but I still preferred for DD to build it at the factory and to use all DD parts. I could have assembled the entire rifle myself, but I couldnt build my DD rifle any cheaper or better than DD could do it for me. So I paid them to do it, and waited 5 months to recieve it. Also realize you must have the correct tools to assemble your own AR. Punches, a gunsmith vise, barrel wrench, excellent instructions, etc.. are required to assemble. Unless you have the absolute desire to do so, its hard to beat the manufacter at the the thing they do best.

Be advised that DD & BCM are backordered like hell. Before you buy anything from either manufacter, call, talk to an actual employee and make sure that item is in stock. DD recently put on their Facebook page that they are sold out of LW barrels until 4th QTR of this year!! I'd honestly recommend you take a good hard look at that $439 LMT SOPMOD lower.. you will be hard pressed to find or build your own with that much quality and those extra goodies. Its probably the best deal going in AR lowers. Even if you didnt want the SOPMOD stock.. sell it for $150+.. and use the stock of your choice.

Sorry bump an old thread but I was interested to see if anyone wanted to get on CoD4 this weekend. I am going to be on in a few minutes so if anyone wants to drop in, you are more than welcome to.

I will try to hop on some this weekend. Been a while since I played though, so I'll probably be pretty rusty.

I will try to hop on some this weekend. Been a while since I played though, so I'll probably be pretty rusty.

Cool! I am just going to have to remember some of the maps over again since it's been a while. I am craving some Chinatown action like crazy!

oh, and i don't have the map packs for xbox. sorry.

I played a bunch last weekend and only saw a handful of hackers. I was playing hardcore team deathmatch and it was great. Have they done something to stop the hacks or did the hackers just get bored?

Littlejeans if you want to play this weekend.. I'm free. And I have a whole COD4 crew that still plays (10+ guys) very regularly. Definitely on the weekends.

I'll make sure to hit the liquor store first.. just for old times sake :)

sweet. i'll hit you up.

Which class are we using this weekend.. Vodka or Whiskey.

I need to know so I can choose my primary weapon :)



Im already equipped with some Tequila as my 2ndary.

A plethora of cool dudes used to live here....

Now this place is like a ghost town....

Im still cool. And Im still here.

Is this for real? Is it really going down this weekend???

I better get an invite to this!

(Also need confirmation on spam message patch please. Thats gotta be the most annoying thing next to QS)

Which class are we using this weekend.. Vodka or Whiskey.

I need to know so I can choose my primary weapon :)



Im already equipped with some Tequila as my 2ndary.

I've been drinking the 18yr Glenfiddich these days.

My new favorite drink at the pub is a mini Guinness. It's a shot of Patron XO (the coffee infused tequila) and a little Bailey's on top. It looks like a little Guiness in a shot glass. Had 5 or 6 of them last night before fallling asleep on the train home...

So is anyone going to be playing this tonight? I wouldn't mind a foray with this again. I actually don't know this game that well as I picked it up 6 months ago for the first time. Last few times I was playing it was pretty hacked up. Bunch of sniping idiots. Probably didn't help I was flying solo most of the time.

I've been playing alot of COD 4 recently and it...ROCKS!!!

Too bad the lobbies are HACKED something terrible.

Its a fun and fast game..way more balanced than Modern Warfare 2 or The Mighty Black Ops!

So is anyone going to be playing this tonight? I wouldn't mind a foray with this again. I actually don't know this game that well as I picked it up 6 months ago for the first time. Last few times I was playing it was pretty hacked up. Bunch of sniping idiots. Probably didn't help I was flying solo most of the time.

You don't even get online so how are you even going to play these so called games???

I got on it the other day the first lobby I dropped into had speed hack and i kill win along with the spam message. Dropped out and joined again and it was the same lobby after few minutes of waiting. There are more people playing TDM than Groundwar which was kind of surprising but the game is hacked either way.

So, I have been playing MW2.

You don't even get online so how are you even going to play these so called games???

I got on it the other day the first lobby I dropped into had speed hack and i kill win along with the spam message. Dropped out and joined again and it was the same lobby after few minutes of waiting. There are more people playing TDM than Groundwar which was kind of surprising but the game is hacked either way.

So, I have been playing MW2.

That post was from a while ago, lol. My wife took the 360 over to her parents house which I need to get back this weekend. I will be on next week if everything goes as planned (possibly this weekend). I think I have your cell # so if I know ahead of time I will give you a heads up text. Got the itch for MW2!

I actually posted this over in the mw3 thread by accident... stupid iphone...

Can I just say: been playing cod4 tonight, mercenary TDM, haven't run into one hacked lobby and I am LOVING IT. Somehow, despite the spawn camping, martyrdom, last stand and frag X3 this game is still way more fun and far less frustrating than Blops or mw2... CoD4 is also the best argument for P2P vs dedicated servers: you can still play p2p games looong after the player base has moved on! And how is cod4 less laggy than blops??? This makes zero sense to me.

Upon further reflection I think one of the things that I really love about CoD4 is the lack of sleight of hand pro and the incredible hip fire in this game... I like that the decision on whether or not to ADS at close/medium range can determine a gunfight. In mw2 and blops it seems that the super fast ADS of SoH pro and the crummy hip fire spread really requires you to ADS even if your opponent is on top of you! I think this takes away a tactical aspect of the game and makes the game feel too hyper-active as you're constantly pulling up your sights to fire on everything!

I'm also encouraged about the return of sway in MW3. CoD4 was the last call of duty that really felt like skill was required to get off accurate shots at range: you're fighting the sway and also the recoil. In mw2, every gun is a laser beam; in Blops, the recoil seems so arbitrarily random-- I never get the sense in blops that I can rely on my gun or that I know what it's going to do next. Recoil in CoD4 is very smooth and predictable, you know what you're going to get if you stay on the trigger too long.

Sorry, I'll stop gushing about a 4 year old game now...

So, anyone for some cod4??

Best. Game. Ever!

Best. Game. Ever!

If I could only enjoy it :(

Best. Game. Ever!

Playing Domination on Shipment comes close........

Played a bit more of this game yesterday. So much fun. It runs so so so much smoother than BLOPS, great hit detection, etc.

What really pisses me off is the hacking. I'd say 1 out of 3 matches had some kind of hacking, either changing parameters of the movement speed and gravity, spamming hacking messages on the screen, and even one match was ridiculously crazy, we were literally flying all over the match getting shot at by a flying guy with infinte noob tubes and choppers, and we leveled up once every few seconds. It did get me to 55, which I hadn't done yet since I only ever played on PS3. I was happy to have all the guns again, but it's still annoying. I would be really really pissed off if I just bought the game at the store for the first time because it was a good price, and got it home to find this crap. I know it's an old game that you wouldn't expect they would support, but when it's that broken, I feel that it's their responsibility that if they want to keep selling the game, and are not going to pull it off the shelves, they need to at least make it playable on a reasonably consistent basis.

But when it worked, it was really fun. One thing I noticed that was REALLY annoying... Grenades.. Too. Many. Grenades. Everywhere. Frag x3 plus martyrdom is too many. Any of the maps that support a lot of grenades, ie wet work, vacant, and others, I couldn't run three feet without getting killed by grenades constantly. It was worse (to me) than the noob tubing in MW2. And martyrdom as a normal perk for every time you die is just ridiculous. Everyone runs it and it's out of control. It just adds to the mess that is the grenade whoring.

Another thing that was overly annoying, was juggernaut. That perk is freaking annoying as hell. If you run juggernaut and a shotgun you are practically invincible. I'm so glad that was removed in MW2.

This is the first time I played COD4 and noticed these imbalances that were fixed in MW2. I know they screwed up more than they fixed, but at least they did notice these problems (before I even did).

I don't mean to take away from it too much, though. When there's no hacking, it's just fantastic. I really feel that it's about the best game ever made to date. (Outside of the hacking -- not existent when it was in its prime), it has just a few quirks (juggernaut and grenades), but is really simple and really well balanced. You shoot someone and they die. No lag or hit detection issues, nothing crazy, just unadultered gunplay. A great game if there ever was one. I just hope the dicks of all those hackers rot and fall off.

Pj you left out one other thing. Quickscoping.

I know some of the people we played with might complain about "quick scoping" from yesterday, but it doesn't bother me at all. I don't have a problem with a sniper being able to scope quickly enough to defend themselves. 19 times out of 20 they still miss that first shot and I pwn them.

I freakin love that you can actually snipe effectively and it's not a joke though. The bullets are good at killing in one shot, the scoping is quick enough to be effective, and the hit detection puts the bullets where they belong. It makes it really pleasant to snipe. I don't feel like I'm at a serious disadvantage and just messing around (like in BLOPS).

Unless you make maps as big as battlefield, you can't have it both ways - fun effective sniping without quick scoping. I personally think COD4 nailed it. It's bad enough that even with quick scoping as a sniper you are very vulnerable in close range, but increasing scoping time effects you at long range as well. They can't make the sniper class suck at both close and far range, that's not balanced at all. Especially when ARs, SMGs, LMGs, and pistols are just as accurate and effective at long range as sniper rifles. Outside of Hazard in BLOPS, there are no maps where the sniper rifle is more advantgeous than any other weapon, unless you factor in having quick scoping.

Frank Gore loves this game!

If Fank Gore played this game, his k/d ratio would be < 0.25. Unless I was playing against him. Then it would be 30+.

I've been playing this game exclusively since my MW2 disc is ruined and Black Ops has been gone for a while. I agree on the grenades, but find them less annoying than juggernaut - which has me a little concerned about the juggernaut (and ballistic vest) killstreaks on MW3.

Quickscoping is on a different level altogether though. I still can't believe they can remove Commando and OMA/Danger Close but think that somehow quickscoping is still legitimate enough to leave in there. Depending on how prevelant it is, it may be the deciding factor that pushes me to BF3.

ETA: And let me just clarify that by quickscoping I mean not even raising the scope enough to look through it. If you can see your target through the glass, I don't consider it quickscoping no matter how fast you acquire the target.

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See how slowly he has to settle the rifle to fire form the shoulder. Yeah, no running around with it and firing it form the shoulder and quick scoping either. If Commando seems silly then how do they pass this kind of sniping shyte is mind boggling.

Like Hushh said, I have no problem with someone ads quickly and acquiring a target in the scope and killing them but when all you do is bring up the scope and drag your rifle and get instant kill then I think there is a problem.

I'm not sure I've been killed by someone quick scoping by your definition more than 3 or 4 times EVER in probably a combined 2.5 months of gametime in recent CODs. I totally agree that THAT is a no no and should be removed, but I just don't personally experience people doing it. I agree that if you're looking through the glass and holding your breath -- no matter how fast the glass was raised to your face -- it is perfectly legitimate and not a problem at all. I just don't have much experience facing people who are doing the other kind of quick scoping.

But again, if they are going to have the glass raise to your face as slow as BLOPS or slower, I would honestly rather see the sniper class just removed entirely. It's clear that everyone will cry every time they get sniped, regardless of how "quick" it was, so why even have it if the only way is to nerf it beyond recognition. I'd rather they use the weapon slots for something useful.

I'm not sure I've been killed by someone quick scoping by your definition more than 3 or 4 times EVER in probably a combined 2.5 months of gametime in recent CODs. I totally agree that THAT is a no no and should be removed, but I just don't personally experience people doing it. I agree that if you're looking through the glass and holding your breath -- no matter how fast the glass was raised to your face -- it is perfectly legitimate and not a problem at all. I just don't have much experience facing people who are doing the other kind of quick scoping.

We are pretty much on the same boat. Don't get me wrong. I don't run into these BS quick scopers every single game but I have more often than you may have. I can tell a BS kill from a non bs kill and I am a big kill cam whore. That's how I recall all these BS QS kills and it's so retarded. Ask Eric about my complaints in MW2 with sniping. I hard scope and I get hit markers more often than I get 1 hit kill but those QS kills are always 1 hit kill. So, you can tell why I am even more raged by the fact when legitimate sniping is undermined by BS sniping.

I don't run into them all that often either, but when I do they are a royal pain in the a$$. I used to see them a lot more in both CoD4 and MW2 when those games were newer. I wonder if we'll see an increase when MW3 is the flavor of the month. I guess it also depends on what Bowling's definition of a quickscoper is.

I've not noticed quickscoping to be a problem in COD4. It is the best FPS I've played yet. It is a shame they have let the hackers ruin it.

it is the best fps i've played yet. It is a shame they have let the hackers ruin it.

+1

Played a bit more of this game yesterday. So much fun. It runs so so so much smoother than BLOPS, great hit detection, etc.
.

*ahem*
Of course it's smoother than BLOPS!
They are completely different games!
It's like saying you prefer a 128k MP3 audio file over a FLAC audio file because the MP3 is easier to download.
Duh.
But while the 128k file sounds decent it doesn't have the depth or dynamics of a FLAC file.

So which do you prefer? A lossy, compressed audio file that takes 1min to download or a lossless audio file with richer sound that takes 5min to download?

Same question with COD4 vs. MW2/BLOPS.
Which do you prefer?
Straight up TDM without any bells and whistles, or multiple game modes with
multiple weapons, perks, killstreaks, richer sounds, detailed explosions, and lots of other cool ****?

That's what it seems to come down to...

if you want dead on accuracy & lag free hit detection then you need a simple game that will be consistent on any ISP at any connection speed.

If you want lots of cool **** in the game then you will have deal with lag & hit detection issues.

I'm sure that's what IW & 3ARC consider when they make each generation of the game.
They have to find a balance btwn the two.
Clearly that's very hard to do because they haven't gotten it right *since* COD4.
;)

Jammy, I understand your comparison, and it's a good one when we are talking strictly about smoothness (how fast and smooth the engine runs). To answer your question directly, I would rather take the smooth simple/ugly game that runs great rather than the beautiful game that runs like ****. I do think a better comparison than "easier to download", for that comparison, would be that the lossless file sounds GREAT, but skips every 15 seconds. Would you rather it sound "just ok", but play through without skipping, or sound unbelievable but skip every 15 seconds?

Also, to my eye, MW2 runs more or less identical to COD4. You may disagree, but that's my take. Even if you disagree, you can't deny that it still runs much smoother than BLOPS. So let's lump them as COD4/MW2 and BLOPS. Or at least, COD4, MW2, and BLOPS individually. IMO it is insulting to MW2 to lump it with BLOPS when discussing how smoothly the games run.

To elaborate on your question, which would I prefer? First and foremost and ALWAYS, I prefer a game that runs smooth to the point that the core mechanics of the game are not hindered. From there, feel free to push the system to improve the visuals, sounds, features, etc. But do NOT let such enhancements affect the core gameplay in any way.

I do understand your comparison, and you may be right in that being the reason why COD4 and MW2 run so smoothly, but to answer your question, I greatly, and I can't emphasize that enough, greatly prefer the game to run smoothly and look like COD4/MW2 than run and look like BLOPS. If that means I like 128k lossy compressed music, then so be it ;)

And the biggest factor, for me, we've beaten to death, is not the smoothness of the game (although it may be a cause of the problem), but it is the hit detection. We've beaten it to death, so I won't go on, you know my position, but I can live with some sluggishness and smoothness issues if at least the hit detection and my end user perception of lag is within reason. BC2 is a great example of this. The engine runs a bit sluggish on my end, and is not as smooth as even BLOPS, but the hit detection and lag compensation are pretty fair and consistent in my experience with it so far, and what they are accomplishing that prevents a smoother engine on this hardware gives it a pass. A bit of an exception, yes, but frankly I think BLOPS did enough that I would be happy to give it the same pass if it was not plagued by what I perceive to be lag and/or hit detection issues.

Cliff notes: Hit detection / Perceived lag > Smoothness > Features > Visuals > Audio. For me.

Hit detection / Perceived lag > Smoothness > Features > Visuals > Audio. For me.

I'll take a guess you've played games for quite some time? Thing is, if they produced a game in this decade which wasn't "life-like" graphics, a lot would just whine about it, hence why everyone is so hyped about BF3, which will only have 30FPS (BC2 is so harsh to my eyes).

I think the new CS:GO game might change it, Counter Strike on PC was never pretty but a lot loved it, so let's hope they keep it on the same line.

I agree that there is pressure to keep pushing the graphics, despite having a serious bottleneck with ancient hardware.

I just mean that to my eye, COD4 and MW2 graphics were just fine for this generation, especially considering they run smoother than about any other FPS I've played on console by what feels like an order of magnitude.

I'm not saying give us original castle wolfenstein graphics.. what I'm saying is to give us as much as possible without sacrificing the core game mechanics and gameplay. And that if as much as possible is COD4/MW2 level graphics, then that's fine with me, stop there and worry more about features and interface than pushing it so far that you lose what makes the series great.

I agree that there is pressure to keep pushing the graphics, despite having a serious bottleneck with ancient hardware.

I just mean that to my eye, COD4 and MW2 graphics were just fine for this generation, especially considering they run smoother than about any other FPS I've played on console by what feels like an order of magnitude.

I'm not saying give us original castle wolfenstein graphics.. what I'm saying is to give us as much as possible without sacrificing the core game mechanics and gameplay. And that if as much as possible is COD4/MW2 level graphics, then that's fine with me, stop there and worry more about features and interface than pushing it so far that you lose what makes the series great.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

As someone who has played the IW games (COD2, COD4, MW2) and the Treyarch games (COD3, W@W, BLOPS).. I strongly believe the code is entirely different. I know this has been refuted many times, even by Treyarch's own staff. But the games are entirely too different. Everything is different.. the speed, the weapons, the hit detection, the lag, the WTF moments.

I wont call one product better than another. But I do prefer IW games over the Treyarch ones. If I had to rank my favourite COD games in order.. it would be: COD4>BLOPS>MW2>COD2. Only one Treyarch title makes the cut.

All of this of course makes me very excited for MW3. All I ask is that MW3 'plays' more like MW1, than MW2. More gun battles. More defense. More balance. Less killstreak dominance.

As someone who has played the IW games (COD2, COD4, MW2) and the Treyarch games (COD3, W@W, BLOPS).. I strongly believe the code is entirely different. I know this has been refuted many times, even by Treyarch's own staff. But the games are entirely too different. Everything is different.. the speed, the weapons, the hit detection, the lag, the WTF moments.

I wont call one product better than another. But I do prefer IW games over the Treyarch ones. If I had to rank my favourite COD games in order.. it would be: COD4>BLOPS>MW2>COD2. Only one Treyarch title makes the cut.

All of this of course makes me very excited for MW3. All I ask is that MW3 'plays' more like MW1, than MW2. More gun battles. More defense. More balance. Less killstreak dominance.

Sorry to say Daekwan but from what I have seen, it's not going to be like MW1. Equipment battle is the first thing that stands out and then you have your killstreaks in the air. There isn't going to be another MW1 unless someone fixes MW1 and we all go back to playing that instead. I for one, not very exited about MW3.

For some reason I am not "as" excited about MW3 as I was for W@W, MW2 and BLOPS. I know I am going to buy the game but I just haven't had the same level of excitement. Even less now that I have been playing MW2 the last couple of days trying to get used to walking into walls and stuff. HA HA HA

We know it won't be MW1 because it is not nearly as simple (what makes MW1 what it is), but it may be like MW1 in the same way BLOPS was, where it's just not as crazy as MW2.

I am not one that is too into the graphic of a game and find MW1 to looks good to my eye. The fact that MW2 does look better than MW1 doesn't make me enjoy the game any more. I am actually hoping that it is more like a MW1.75.

I played a couple of games last night with Conman. I was expecting it to suck, based on my re-try with MW2 but it was actually pretty fun. I told Conman, it felt like playing hardcore Blops because it didn't take much to kill.

The weirdest thing about reverting back? 10 XP per kill!

I played a couple of games last night with Conman. I was expecting it to suck, based on my re-try with MW2 but it was actually pretty fun. I told Conman, it felt like playing hardcore Blops because it didn't take much to kill.

The weirdest thing about reverting back? 10 XP per kill!

What time were you guys playing? I was hoping to get some gaming in around 9:30 but everyone was either playing BF3 or Gears, so I fired up Netflix.

What time were you guys playing? I was hoping to get some gaming in around 9:30 but everyone was either playing BF3 or Gears, so I fired up Netflix.

It was late. 11:30 or so.

Yup I've been having so much fun with this game lately. I played yesterday with meowmeow for a bit then logged back on a played a couple games with Bb. This game is just so fun and easy. I'll be playing again tonight for sure.

Yeah definitely fun and easy. And SO satisfying when your bullets register each and every time you shoot them. I was telling evo about COD4/MW2 today when he asked what it was like going back to them, and he was shocked to hear that no one complains about "emptying a clip" into someone to no avail, shocked to hear that your bullets just work.

I guess it is strange after playing BLOPS so long lol.

Yeah definitely fun and easy. And SO satisfying when your bullets register each and every time you shoot them. I was telling evo about COD4/MW2 today when he asked what it was like going back to them, and he was shocked to hear that no one complains about "emptying a clip" into someone to no avail, shocked to hear that your bullets just work.

I guess it is strange after playing BLOPS so long lol.

I wouldn't say that for MW2. I played that again and it was really no better. MW1 was definitely better, and it helps that it doesn't take 15 bullets to kill someone.

That being said, I still think Blops is more fun overall. Especially the wager matches, which is what I've been playing lately. If there's nobody playing Blops I'll play MW1 if there's people over there. But my first choice will still be Blops.

The weirdest thing about reverting back? 10 XP per kill!

I even like that better. One less 0, means easier math IMO. The who +20, +40, +100, +200, etc shyt has gotten way to complicated for me.

With COD4.. I knew exactly the amount of kills + match bonus to get to the next level. With MW2 & BLOPS.. I just pretty much play and am *surprised* whenever I level up again. With all the different points for kills, assists, captures, defends, paybacks, bonuses, match win points.. hell its too hard to figure out what actual score you might even up with win.

Yup I've been having so much fun with this game lately. I played yesterday with meowmeow for a bit then logged back on a played a couple games with Bb. This game is just so fun and easy. I'll be playing again tonight for sure.

I'll be right there with ya, buddy!

I lost my disc somewhere when we moved. I perfer COD4 over mw2 :( i do have a world at war disc lol:eek:

gg last night. It was like nostalgia x1000000 =]

Favorite quote from last night (one of the reasons I love having Daekwan in the team):

"Who the hell got a chopper already!"

Haha yeah that was an awesome night last night. Jitu that was crazy fast getting that chopper. Good games as always. Dubs you can download it from xbl for 20 dollars.

gg last night. It was like nostalgia x1000000 =]

Favorite quote from last night (one of the reasons I love having Daekwan in the team):

"Who the hell got a chopper already!"

Yeah, that chopper 20 secs into the match on District was pretty ridiculous. There were some serious beatdowns given last night - especially to those wankers from the UK :D. We took one as well on Domination/Shipment though. Fun games all the way around.

Shipment can kiss my a**. :-P

Shipment can kiss my a**. :-P

Just the possibility of playing Shipment makes me want to put COD4 back in the drive!

Just the possibility of playing Shipment makes me want to put COD4 back in the drive!

I would play Shipment 24x7. The only time I would stop would be to eat some of this:

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/demotivational-posters-i-will-never.jpg

Ell dude has his own food!

Just the possibility of playing Shipment makes me want to put COD4 back in the drive!

+1 Gotta love the hectic gameplay.

Ell dude has his own food!

And it sounds delicious!

I lost my disc somewhere when we moved. I perfer COD4 over mw2 :( i do have a world at war disc lol:eek:

trade it for COD4!! Amazon trade-in FTW1

got hacked last night and now have negative xp. makes me less than lvl 1 so I can't get online. anyone have a suggestion how to fix?

got hacked last night and now have negative xp. makes me less than lvl 1 so I can't get online. anyone have a suggestion how to fix?

That sucks. I wonder if someone could invite you to a game to get you in and then allow you to level up? Does it even let you search for games?

OMG that is ridiculous Mighty. That's the crap I'm talking about.

They need to pull the game from the shelves if they are not going to address the hacking. They are selling a product and makes promises on the box that are not delivered.

That sucks. I wonder if someone could invite you to a game to get you in and then allow you to level up? Does it even let you search for games?

I can not search for games but did not think of joining a game in progress. Will try that.

got hacked last night and now have negative xp. makes me less than lvl 1 so I can't get online. anyone have a suggestion how to fix?

Assuming you're a lawyer, why don't you start a class action lawsuit against them to make them fix the game. They are afterall selling a defective product. I'd join first.

Barring that, you can go to infinity ward's forums and there is a thread there for people with negative xp where they will investigate and reset it.

Assuming you're a lawyer, why don't you start a class action lawsuit against them to make them fix the game. They are afterall selling a defective product. I'd join first.

Barring that, you can go to infinity ward's forums and there is a thread there for people with negative xp where they will investigate and reset it.

thanks man I will check out that forum. If we I file a class-action you will be my lead plaintiff. :D

I bet if someone actually did lodge a lawsuit and it got some amount of publicity, they would quickly fix the problems with COD4 rather than risk headlines about how they do not support games they are still selling. Especially with MW3 coming out.

If this happens I would be excited as hell. I loved playing this with you guys the other night and look forward to many more nights of this.

Someone should sue their asses. I don't want money or anything. They don't need to do a thing other than stop the hacking or pull the plug on it and stop selling it.

Just played some COD4 for the first time in years. If anyone is down to play for old times sake, add me.

I got on last night too and ran into few snipers that were quickscoping and wall hacking. Turned it off because it's way more fun to play with friends.

I got on last night too and ran into few snipers that were quickscoping and wall hacking. Turned it off because it's way more fun to play with friends.

I saw you on but couldn't join so I played on my own for a game. I'm down anytime.

I saw you on but couldn't join so I played on my own for a game. I'm down anytime.

You should have sent me a message or something and we could have partied up. Don't know when I will get back on again since I started playing Batman:AA and loving it. After a year sitting on the shelf it finally got gametime, lol!

You should have sent me a message or something and we could have partied up. Don't know when I will get back on again since I started playing Batman:AA and loving it. After a year sitting on the shelf it finally got gametime, lol!

Use the compare game feature on the friends list and you'll see why I didn't bother you while playing Batman AA. :D That game is a gem.

Either y'all are high on nostalgia or we're playing a different game!

COD4 how are you flawed let me count thy ways:

1. Host ends game, game over for everyone.
2. Spawning next to enemies.
3. Players getting outside of the map (above and below).
4. Everyone is a sniper! Left trigger, aim assist, right trigger, scope optional.
5. No locking anti air weapons, UAV's can not be taken down.

I know there are others that I'm forgetting but playing this over the past couple days working on my 1st prestige has been just as much fun as it has frustrating. Given the choice between this, blops, and MW2 I would chose this last. Flame suit on!

Either y'all are high on nostalgia or we're playing a different game!

COD4 how are you flawed let me count thy ways:

1. Host ends game, game over for everyone.
2. Spawning next to enemies.
3. Players getting outside of the map (above and below).
4. Everyone is a sniper! Left trigger, aim assist, right trigger, scope optional.
5. No locking anti air weapons, UAV's can not be taken down.

I know there are others that I'm forgetting but playing this over the past couple days working on my 1st prestige has been just as much fun as it has frustrating. Given the choice between this, blops, and MW2 I would chose this last. Flame suit on!

I agree. It's definitely hard to go back to cod4 after mw2. Lots of little things they improved on that really make mw2 that much more enjoyable. Plus the graphics look dated as hell!

Either y'all are high on nostalgia or we're playing a different game!

COD4 how are you flawed let me count thy ways:

1. Host ends game, game over for everyone.
2. Spawning next to enemies.
3. Players getting outside of the map (above and below).
4. Everyone is a sniper! Left trigger, aim assist, right trigger, scope optional.
5. No locking anti air weapons, UAV's can not be taken down.

I know there are others that I'm forgetting but playing this over the past couple days working on my 1st prestige has been just as much fun as it has frustrating. Given the choice between this, blops, and MW2 I would chose this last. Flame suit on!

I have been saying this for like ...forever. Quick scoping being the #1 rage inducing feature. Can you blame me for not wanting mw3?

Aim assist should not even be an option for MP with any weapon... such bs. Oh and martyrdom... seriously.... w....t.....f! Everyone I kill drops a grenade! I think I need to look into other options to prestige in this game so I an eject it and go back to playing Reach until MW3 is out... ugh.

I'm strictly manual aim so aim assist screws me up. Can't count the number of times I've targeted or was about to target an enemy and the aim assist jerks my crosshairs. Even when I QS'd I never used aim assist. It should be disabled in MP period.

Guys - I've never noticed the aim assist in action. Mayhaps I've got it turned off somehow. I also don't notice nearly as much quick scoping in MW than was in MW2. I play hardcore almost exclusively though so maybe these problems aren't as evident.

Also, learn how to live with martyrdom. The grenade makes a sound when it drops. Try not to run over it.

What annoys me the most are the hackers. Luckily, there are not very many in hardcore or the game wouldn't really be playable. It may also be mitigated by the fact that alot of the modders lose their account and don't buy the map packs so, since I have the map packs, I may be in a playlist that automatically has less hackers in it.

4. Everyone is a sniper! Left trigger, aim assist, right trigger, scope optional.


This. I tried playing last night, and that was all I ran into. Just people doing No Skill Sniper Kills.

Hmm. Just put this game in so I could prestige my level 55 before MW3. And there is an update for it? Anyone know what it is? Fixing cheating?