Hello, I would like opinions about the new Runco 1080p 3 chip projector with cinewide. Is it clearly the best projector on the market. Does anyone think its worth spending $45,000.00 plus for. "My dealer" says Runco has the best optics and is the most reliable projector. Other projectors that I mention - SIM - he says are unrealiable and break. I'd like your opinions about this because I'm not experienced enough to know. Can you guys recommend other projectors 1080p that I should be looking at. I'm in Pittsburgh, but I can go anywhere to look. Thanks

in that price category, there are a few other options. but you have to look at them and see what you think.

THe SIM is excellent and very highly regarded.

Digital projections also has some great options.

At the end of the day though, you need a whole package from your integrator. instead of bebating that one line item, you would be best served to look into a few different integrators to get competing quotes for your install. there are so many options that it best serves you to shop the whole package a bit and at the end, select from the vendor that gives you the best feeling.

Where are you located?

I'd be careful. What screen size to you have planned ?

Art

Hello, I would like opinions about the new Runco 1080p 3 chip projector with cinewide. Is it clearly the best projector on the market. Does anyone think its worth spending $45,000.00 plus for. "My dealer" says Runco has the best optics and is the most reliable projector. Other projectors that I mention - SIM - he says are unrealiable and break. I'd like your opinions about this because I'm not experienced enough to know. Can you guys recommend other projectors 1080p that I should be looking at. I'm in Pittsburgh, but I can go anywhere to look. Thanks

Before you throw down a single cent, write down a list of exactly what you want to achieve and how much you are willing to pay to get it.

People on here will give you far better help that most dealers. You've already found one who is FOS.

Do you need just the PJ, will you need a screen, what about audio? Give us more to work with and you'll get all the help you need.

Dont take this the wrong way but by the nature of your post it seems this is new to you. You must, therefore, beware of info from certain types at this point in time. Use this forum as your sounding board. Dont be afraid to sound like a bit of a douche, you'll be in good company with the rest of us.:D

Dizz, Art and CM are giving you good advice. I assume you already have the display room built. If that's the case, then that room (size, colors, construction, etc) should also be considered when selecting the PJ.

Keep in mind that sales people are just that, sales people. I immediately dismiss anyone that puts down another line with statements like those you reported regarding the Sim. Making direct SPECIFIC comparisons when you have the experience to do so is fine, making generalized "ours is better than theirs" statements is also a norm in sales, but to make a statement like "they fail" is ridiculous and indicates, IMO, a lack of credibility.

Runco has an excellent product line, but so several others, including Sim and PD.

BTW, on a friendly note, I'd be careful using terms like "It is clearly the best PJ on the market," followed up with "I'm not experienced enough to know." You will surely hear from those members that differ.:)

Regards,

Jim

It clearly states 'Is it', not 'It is';-). The missing question mark will probably throw off other readers as well.

In that case we can then answer definitely not.:D

Art

It clearly states 'Is it', not 'It is';-). The missing question mark will probably throw off other readers as well.

My bad, thanks for pointing that out.:o

That being the case, I'll second Art's response.:D

Jim

Hello, I would like opinions about the new Runco 1080p 3 chip projector with cinewide. Is it clearly the best projector on the market. Does anyone think its worth spending $45,000.00 plus for. "My dealer" says Runco has the best optics and is the most reliable projector. Other projectors that I mention - SIM - he says are unrealiable and break. I'd like your opinions about this because I'm not experienced enough to know. Can you guys recommend other projectors 1080p that I should be looking at. I'm in Pittsburgh, but I can go anywhere to look. Thanks
I'm sure when you check back here to read the Comments from members you will have a variety of "Opinions" regarding Projectors.

Here is nothing more than a (Suggestion) for you. Ask what that member has (SPENT-Their-Money) for on the projector they recommend. I say this because it is one thing to go to a Demo Room or Show and view projectors. If I were you I would want to talk to the member that has spent their $45,000.00 Plus for their projector and lived with it for awhile. Shows and demos are just fine but I personally think it is different to live with a projector for months/years on end in a HT (Home Theater) environment. But this like so many other members here is just my opinion. You know what they say about opinions ??? Don't You ??? [Everyone has one].

The one thing I would mention to you to be very aware of before spending the kind of money that it appears here that you are willing to is this. Check out the dealer for (Long-Term-Support). How long have they been in business and get if at all possible to see and or talk to some of their customers. Of course this may not account for much since we both know they will certainly choose a Very Satisfied Customer for you to talk with or go see their HT.

Before I forget here is another (Suggestion). Get everything in "Writing" that the dealer you choose says they will do for you on the install and then most important "After-the-Install". Do not take any ones WORD from the employees to the owners word. If they will not put it in the contract in writing it means nothing. Just a word to the Wise:

This also applies to the manufacturer of the projector. Make sure you go on different forums and read and see how the projector is backed by the manufacturer in case the Dealer goes out of business. Trust me it happens. Even in the case where the dealer is a high end dealer with great products.

There are members on this very forum that own Runco Projectors but I do not know if they will come out in the open and Post here on this Thread. You might luck out and they may say what they think about their Runco Projectors and the support they have or have not gotten from their dealer as well as Runco the manufacturer.

As a suggestion Runco has the VX6000D:

The new VX-6000d follows in the footsteps of its renowned predecessor, the VX-5000 by offering extraordinary performance, state of the art optics, impressive custom installation flexibility and today’s most advanced technology with 1920 x 1080 SuperOnyx™ resolution.

The VX-6000d incorporates Runco’s Enhanced GEN 3™ engineering advancements while O-Path™ refines the optical light path for greater efficiency. These engineering achievements are accompanied by our finest CinOptx™, cinema grade lenses. These world-class optics are combined with AxiShift™ engineering to provide generous lens shift versatility.

For added appeal, the VX-6000d is offered with both CineWide™ and CineWide™ with AutoScope™ options. This award-winning, exclusive Runco technology brings Hollywood home with its awesome presentation of CinemaScope™ superwide movies without black bars!

The VX-6000d is supplied with Runco’s newest, next generation all digital DHD controller, featuring advanced Vivix II™ processing. This controller produces stunning video imagery, even elevating standard NTSC material to near high definition levels. The Runco VX-6000d represents the pinnacle in single-chip DLP™ projector performance and the Video Xtreme™ family of projectors are the world’s first video products to earn prestigious THX™ certification*.

Available Options
CineWide™**
CineWide™ with Autoscope™

*THX certification is pending final testing and approval by THX, Ltd.
** Patent Pending


Here is a Link to their Projectors:

http://www.runco.com/projectors.html

Good Luck on your Final Choice:

Terry

This board is unusually, and incorrectly biased to SIM. The digital projection Titan is a competitive projector with on the lamp color filtering; this greatly reduces the green Blooming effect that SIM has been notorious for (With the exception of the new dc4 based cx 3, that does not appear to clip).

But why would anyone in the right mind spend $45K for a B- projector when the 5 star A+ Ne plus ultra can be had for a little over $100K? The lot of you's need your heads examined. If Runco value scales were applied to the Regent Videophile (level 4) modded Barco Dp1500 it would have to have a list price of $750,000. This is the biggest bargain in the history of home video. And you guys are flaunting your little toy projectors like if it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Reality check please, the paradigm has shifted, you are now effectively "blocking the intersection".

Anamorphic projection is the biggest impediment to a maximum MTF image (due to it's 30% ANSI cr. reduction), period. The correct videophile way to accomplish constant image height is with servo zoom,shift and focus memory lensing. There is now "a" projector capable of this feat. If you have the luxury of having the space to accomodate a 2 to 1 throw distance and have the bucks for it, NIRVANA is finally here.

I dont think there's a bias at all. Its just a reflection of current activities and Im sure it will fade. I enjoy my "little toy" projector very much, but that may be because I dont enjoy my HT vicariously.

Hey, thanks for the response. Its what I was looking for. Yes I'm new to DLP projection. I have a media room with an AMPRO 3600 CRT projector ( 3 - 9" crt's ) that doesn't work. It just needs to be scrapped because I've spent enough money in the past repairing it. I paid approx $30,000.00 for it in 1995. I really don't want to spend $45,000.00 for another projector. That's why I'm asking for opinions. In the end, I'll update the audio, select a new screen probably smaller. The current screen is 156" wide X 65" high approx.

I sort of have $25,000.00 to $30,000.00 bugeted for the projector. Thanks

This board is unusually, and incorrectly biased to SIM. The digital projection Titan is a competitive projector with on the lamp color filtering; this greatly reduces the green Blooming effect that SIM has been notorious for (With the exception of the new dc4 based cx 3, that does not appear to clip).



Peter,
There may be SIM bias but it is not incorrectly placed. I've run my HT 5000 through the ringer. It has tremendous panel registration exemplary gray scale tracking ( almost unbelievable panel registration) resulting in black and white that is better than anything I've ever seen. I looked at the HT 5000 in my home for two weeks before I bought it.

The Titan 250 at least, doesn't have as much light or on off contrast and the units I've seen displayed had color fringing at normal viewing distances.

The Titans may also be good devices but your cut on the SIM is just not based on enough real world experience I'm afraid.

Art

Hey, thanks for the response. Its what I was looking for. Yes I'm new to DLP projection. I have a media room with an AMPRO 3600 CRT projector ( 3 - 9" crt's ) that doesn't work. It just needs to be scrapped because I've spent enough money in the past repairing it. I paid approx $30,000.00 for it in 1995. I really don't want to spend $45,000.00 for another projector. That's why I'm asking for opinions. In the end, I'll update the audio, select a new screen probably smaller. The current screen is 156" wide X 65" high approx.

I sort of have $25,000.00 to $30,000.00 bugeted for the projector. Thanks
Then looking at the price tag of 25-30 Thousand I still suggest you at least drop by a Runco Dealer and VIEW their Projectors. They do have the New Stuff out that is in your price range. The VX6000D being one of them.

It cost nothing to look and ask questions. Well it should not :D

Good-Luck !!!!!

Terry

BTW, I personally own a VX5000ci with the DHD Controller.

Then looking at the price tag of 25-30 Thousand I still suggest you at least drop by a Runco Dealer and VIEW their Projectors. They do have the New Stuff out that is in your price range. The VX6000D being one of them.

It cost nothing to look and ask questions. Well it should not :D

Good-Luck !!!!!

Terry

BTW, I personally own the Runco VX5000ci with the DHD Controller:

"My dealer" says Runco has the best optics and is the most reliable projector. Other projectors that I mention - SIM - he says are unrealiable and break. Thanks

If I had a dealer that gave me this line, I'd walk out immediately.

There's nothing wrong with Runco, but they have had issues in the past as well. There's LOTS of options out there for you, as others have said, check them all out and make sure you get what YOU want out of your new projector, not what the dealer is cramming down your throat.

Oh, and I'll buy the 3600 off you, I could use the parts..;)

Curt

PS: Terry, what's the update on your Runco???

If I had a dealer that gave me this line, I'd walk out immediately.

There's nothing wrong with Runco, but they have had issues in the past as well. There's LOTS of options out there for you, as others have said, check them all out and make sure you get what YOU want out of your new projector, not what the dealer is cramming down your throat.

Oh, and I'll buy the 3600 off you, I could use the parts..;)

Curt

PS: Terry, what's the update on your Runco???

PS: Terry, what's the update on your Runco???[/QUOTE]

Well what to say ???

I'll give it a shot. I'm watching the Runco everyday and just placed a call to my Runco Dealer for an Up-date. Meaning where do we stand on getting this finally put to BED once and for all.

Waiting for a call or E-Mail from the Mgr. there that I am working with.

If this ever gets (Finalized) as in (Completed) to my Satisfaction believe me I will follow up on the Thread I started back in JUNE !!!!!!!!

So don't give up on me.

Terry