A number of Kuro Plasma owners have expressed a concern that when the color white gets displayed in a full or nearly full screen display, the white becomes something other than pure white and appears to impact colors present in the same picture.

It appears the above is clearly noted when viewing a hockey and when viewing mother bear and her cubs coming out of her hibernation hole in the snow on disc 1 of Planet Earth.

It's only FULL SCREEN whites that we're talking about. Remember that. The
explanation is that the colour white draws a lot more power than the rest of
the colours (because each primary colour has to be at its max to get white or
very bright colours). The greater the proportion of whites on the screen, the more
strain on the panel itself, thus causing the TV to dim. It effects ALL other
colours onscreen.

Try this:
1. Hook a PC up to your TV via the VGA cable (or HDMI via DVI).
1. Make your desktop background fully white.
2. Open up a picture viewer and create an empty image of a colour like red or green (make pic match your desktop resolution).
3. Expand the picture till the window is fullscreen. Don't select the fullscreen button.
4. Using your mouse, move the pic along the screen, first so it takes up the whole screen, then so it takes up a little bit of the screen.

You should notice that as the pic takes up the whole screen (blocking out all
the whites), it's vibrant, but as the pic takes up less and less screen, revealing
the white background, you should see it DIM. You should also notice the
whites initially look great as the pic takes up a majority of the screen, but
as the percentage of whites onscreen increase, they get dim.

This is what we are talking about. It's not matter of getting 'proper' whites,
it's the diminished whites as they approach fullscreen that is the issue. This
ends up being more noticeable in movies like Star Wars (beginning of 4th movie
when vader boards ship and empire srikes back snow scenes) and the Polar scenes
in stuff like Planet Earth and such.

This is weird: somebody admits a possible negative thing about latest Pioneers?
It must be FUD - this is Th3 Gr34t3st S3t 3v4r as we all now it...

This is weird: somebody admits a possible negative thing about latest Pioneers?
It must be FUD - this is Th3 Gr34t3st S3t 3v4r as we all now it...

What you call "Negative", I call "Informative". I think it's a problem here lately.

The panel is fantastic, no doubt, but we gotta be honest with each other on
certain things. This discussion of whites actually doesn't matter as much for
movie content, even with star wars because most of the time, the ultra-widescreen
introduces black borders on top/bottom which reduces the percentage of whites
onscreen anyhow. In these instances, the whites are perfectly fine. However,
Planet Earth is a FULL SCREEN 16:9 blu-ray/DVD/HD-DVD and it's noticeable on
certain scenes. PC's also run at 16:9 (at 1080P) which takes up the full screen,
thus this problem is more noticeable in these cases. I think because of the aspect
ratio differences between content, folks might not even notice it if all they watch
is ultra-widescreen stuff. Perhaps that's where some of the disagreement lies.

I haven't see any issues on white with the Pioneers I have seen so far and I bring in a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD test disc which helps. The displays I am talking about are here Kuro 720p models which I am currently looking at....

I've had 6010FD model for a moth, and I love it. But it's a fact that the white in this set is not so beautiful. Here I mean the white that takes more than 60% of the screen. If it's small spot of white, then I find that's very correct.

I've tried in vain to improve the white color, I've tried:
- different sources: PS3, HD terminal cable, regular DVD
- different channels, different hockey games on different areas
- different environments: bright and dark, seating position
- different TV settings

Any real hockey fan should be aware of this issue.

Strangely enough, on the panasonic 50" 700u model I didn't notice anything wrong with the whites while watching planet earth snow scenes. I most certainly did think it wasn't getting clean whites when it displayed specific all white screens (there is a samsung ad BB runs on their tv's that has a LCD panel in the middle of a plain white screen and so many of the plasmas look terrible with it for some reason)

To my eyes, the planet earth scenes looked clean and white, but not overly bright. On many LCDs it was almost like I had to put on a pair of sunglasses. I suppose one could argue that in the real location, you would have to wear sunglasses to cut glare from the snow but I don't want my TV burning my retinas.:)

A number of Kuro Plasma owners have expressed a concern that when the color white gets displayed in a full or nearly full screen display, the white becomes something other than pure white and appears to impact colors present in the same picture.

It appears the above is clearly noted when viewing a hockey and when viewing mother bear and her cubs coming out of her hibernation hole in the snow on disc 1 of Planet Earth.

I notice the same issue on my 58inch Panny PX60 plasma. It doesn't bother me much, but it surely doesn't display a full sceen of snowy bright white. I think it is one limitation of plasma sets. That said though I would prefer most good plasmas to other technologies for overall PQ.

I notice the same issue on my 58inch Panny PX60 plasma. It doesn't bother me much, but it surely doesn't display a full sceen of snowy bright white. I think it is one limitation of plasma sets. That said though I would prefer most good plasmas to other technologies for overall PQ.

Bright whites on LCDs and Deep blacks on Plasmas is how the saying goes... A trade off at best, but I haven't seen a fixed LCD hold a candle to a Plasma till this year. I still like the Pioneers and Panasonic, now I need to decide which one goes in the bedroom...

Watch a daytime broadcast of a HD football game where one team has white jerseys. Note the white of the chalklines, towels, ect. Note the white in text. Is is white? Now when switched to a full screen white ad ...the white backgroud is greyish - who cares?

The one thing that I would like to reduce is the 'translucency' when sunlite or maybe it's the stadium lights - shinning on the shoulder pads. Any ideas?

p.s. Perhaps hockey fans are use to the white crush/overkill of LCD's.

Watch a daytime broadcast of a HD football game where one team has white jerseys. Note the white of the chalklines, towels, ect. Note the white in text. Is is white? Now when switched to a full screen white ad ...the white backgroud is greyish - who cares?

As I've said, it hardly matters in most situations, but it depends on how one
uses the TV. For a PC it does matter, especially browsing the net. It also
matters for certain videogames as well. As I've said before, when the whites
take up most of the screen, the real problem is not the whites, but the effect
it has on the remaining colours as they get muted as well. The result is the
details are lost. Folks hate black crush, but this ends up being worse (ie: the
loss of detail of colours when accompanying a solid white background). Bah,
It appears no one understand what I am talking about. All one needs to do is
to hook it up to a PC and go to a website with pics and thumbnails on a mostly
white background (like gizmodo.com). Heck, check out google even. Sigh.

Anyhow, I think we've beaten this to death. In my case, I just wanted to point
out an observation that folks should be aware of.

Who is concerned about PQ when surfing the net? How silly - imo.

Who is concerned about PQ when surfing the net? How silly - imo.

It's an EXAMPLE! :mad: It occurs in many other situations. Anyhow, I'm done trying to explain.
If you don't see it, then good. If you do, then deal with it. I've had it with trying
to provide honest feedback. Enjoy yourselves.

Wow, relax. What's the caps all about.
Could you try to calmly list some other examples for me?

Wow, relax. What's the caps all about.
Could you try to calmly list some other examples for me?

PS3 dashboard - thumbnails are hard to see with bright pink/white background. The new PINK Theme is impossible to use, for example.
PC - Reading e-mail (text and attachments hard to see); writing documents (text hard to read); Windows background (when white, icons hard to see), etc.
Videogames - hockey, skiing, even racing games depending on scenery. The whole screen gets very dim and it's often hard to see. Remember, this is dependent on the game.
TV/Movies - Full-screen 16:9 (eg: Planet Earth) - Polar scenes dim details; Watching TV -> text on weather stations can be hard to read and icons hard to discern. Entire screen dims depending on TV content too.
Japanese Anime - Often bright/whitish -> subtitles can get blended in with background making them impossible to read.

However, as I've said, for many, it won't matter and even for those who do,
the occurrence of these situations are so slim it won't matter much. It just
depends on how you use your TV. If you, like me, use it for a variety of things,
you *MAY* notice these things.

Anyhow, as I've said, I'm done with it. Sorry if I lost it a bit, but I'm just tired
of folks defending the whites with situations that are not the same as the ones
I am talking about. The whites are fantastic... but there are limits. This is the
last post I'll make.

Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
No reason to get all worked up over people talking about the whites of plasmas though.

I think i may be one of the first to scrutinize whites on tv's :p I remember saying lcd had better whites than crt in the past which nobody ever heard. I also remember westa saying panasonics had horrible whites. But the majority of movies you probably wont notice. Any film with alot of snow is really a torture test, hockey, sking etc. Plasma is the only tech i've seen to have this problem. Until lcd can really get blacks to match plasma, plasma still wins for pq, motion, color dynamics and depth.

As I've said, it hardly matters in most situations, but it depends on how one
uses the TV. For a PC it does matter, especially browsing the net. It also
matters for certain videogames as well. As I've said before, when the whites
take up most of the screen, the real problem is not the whites, but the effect
it has on the remaining colours as they get muted as well. The result is the
details are lost. Folks hate black crush, but this ends up being worse (ie: the
loss of detail of colours when accompanying a solid white background). Bah,
It appears no one understand what I am talking about. All one needs to do is
to hook it up to a PC and go to a website with pics and thumbnails on a mostly
white background (like gizmodo.com). Heck, check out google even. Sigh.

Anyhow, I think we've beaten this to death. In my case, I just wanted to point
out an observation that folks should be aware of.as was I - i do not use a PC with my Kuro and to me the whites or preceived lack of, is a non issue as stated in my example with a football game. Am with you on this and am glad it is being discussed:)

A number of Kuro Plasma owners have expressed a concern that when the color white gets displayed in a full or nearly full screen display, the white becomes something other than pure white and appears to impact colors present in the same picture.

It appears the above is clearly noted when viewing a hockey and when viewing mother bear and her cubs coming out of her hibernation hole in the snow on disc 1 of Planet Earth.

I have noticed that about the Kuro as well. It was I call "creamed" colored whites. However, when observing a Kuro the other day, it a better discription would be "dirty" whites.

If you compare the Kuro with one of the Samsung 71 or 81 series LCD's you can really see how whites are supposed to be displayed.

This is weird: T2k acting like a troll? (maybe not so weird after all)

This is weird: somebody admits a possible negative thing about latest Pioneers?
It must be FUD - this is Th3 Gr34t3st S3t 3v4r as we all now it...

Some people don't mind that full white screens dim to around 19 ftl. Call it dirty, call it not 'pure'. But the fact that no one will have a 'reference' for white when you're watching movies means it mostly won't be noticeable. The all white screen is still brighter than my bias light behind my display.

The only problem I ever see of this, is when someone is using it for a computer screen in a well lit room as Nambit suggests. Even then I don't know how many people are exactly 'videophile' when surfing the NBA.com website. Besides that? Its really a non-issue for most people. I don't mind the whites at all even at full screen. Even 40 ftl of pure white is kind of daunting to look at.

Most movies have black bars too, which compounds the 'non-issue'. I've owned LCDs as well as owned an 81 series LCD. With movies I've never seen one scene that made me miss "no-dimming" full white screen that LCDs do. And I've got a Samsung LCD right below the Pioneer for comparison. With the 81 I could get a much more impactful full white screen w/ backlight higher up... but that caused its own problems.

Some people don't mind that full white screens dim to around 19 ftl. Call it dirty, call it not 'pure'. But the fact that no one will have a 'reference' for white when you're watching movies means it mostly won't be noticeable. The all white screen is still brighter than my bias light behind my display.

The only problem I ever see of this, is when someone is using it for a computer screen in a well lit room as Nambit suggests. Even then I don't know how many people are exactly 'videophile' when surfing the NBA.com website. Besides that? Its really a non-issue for most people. I don't mind the whites at all even at full screen. Even 40 ftl of pure white is kind of daunting to look at.

Most movies have black bars too, which compounds the 'non-issue'. I've owned LCDs as well as owned an 81 series LCD. With movies I've never seen one scene that made me miss "no-dimming" full white screen that LCDs do. And I've got a Samsung LCD right below the Pioneer for comparison. With the 81 I could get a much more impactful full white screen w/ backlight higher up... but that caused its own problems.

You've already owned an 81? Those things are brand spanking new! Been available at least here for only about 4 or 6 weeks.

You've already owned an 81? Those things are brand spanking new! Been available at least here for only about 4 or 6 weeks.

Yea I had the 81, 2nd week of release I believe?

Those of you who selected the first answer (Yes and ... concerned), members: KeysarSoze, Nambit, seekinghair, Smeeg, T2k, zzoo,

Is it to the point that you regret having your Pioneer Plasma display?

Since there are many who answered they are not impacted by this issue, would any of the 6 members above be receptive to new setting adjustment recommendations?

Could some experts, such as D-Nice, come in here and post some comments?

Those of you who selected the first answer (Yes and ... concerned), members: KeysarSoze, Nambit, seekinghair, Smeeg, T2k, zzoo,

Is it to the point that you regret having your Pioneer Plasma display?

Since there are many who answered they are not impacted by this issue, would any of the 6 members above be receptive to new setting adjustment recommendations?

Could some experts, such as D-Nice, come in here and post some comments?

You didn't give us the option of saying "it concerns me a bit" so we had to
other choice. Anyhow, *NO* there really is no regret as my primary reason
for purchasing the TV is to watch movies which it excels in. Most movies
are ultra-widescreen so the screen doesn't go fully white anyhow, and most
videogames hardly fill the screen with white so generally the tv looks amazing.
The only thing I'm finding slightly disappointing is how it handles certain Japanese
anime as they often use a sort of air-brushed style that seems to introduce a
certain 'whiteness' to them. It's like the brightness is cranked up too high and
I can't turn it down. It's a style of anime anyhow, but it seems over exaggerated
on my Pro-150FD. Of course, I use the PC to run the anime (subtitled/fansubbed)
so I am exposed to the fullscreen whites of windows explorer and such... but I've
gotten used to it. In fact, it's more of an issue at 1080P, as the full-screen whites
of 720P hardly vary from the regular whites. I've learned to just watch anime and
use the PC at 720P which is perfect anyhow. Too bad the HDMI (or is it my
videocard?) doesn't do 1360x768 (it only does 1280x720).

So... NO, I don't regret the TV at all. As I've said before, it's got fantastic
PQ. Previously I've had a bunch of LCD TV's and there's no way I am going
back to them anytime soon. I've also had a CRT HDTV and, while the blacks
are a bit better on it, I'm finding it's mainly only on blank screens (like the
81-series sammy) as even the black bars started to turn greyish on it when
I had bright content.

The white issue is a 'little' concern, but I've found my way around it anyhow,
and there aren't too many situations where it would happen. I just wanted
to point out room for improvement. It doesn't seem much of an issue at 720P.

(and yeah, I know I wasn't going to post about this anymore... you dragged
me back into this ;)).

Thanks for your post, Nambit. I gather, from your latest comments, that the issue of the Pioneer Kuros performance, when displaying white, should not be a deal breaker for anyone who considers buying a Pioneer plasma.

It was good of you to come back to this thread in spite of your recent frustration with comments by others.

In my case, there is no intention of connecting a PC to a 6010 and I understand that this will reduce my exposure to the issue of whites.

However, I will be watching a number of hockey games (Montreal Canadiens fan). Presently, there's a spot (right of center) on my CRT RPTV's screen where the white of the ice is excessive. In its 5th year, I guess the TV's phosphor is starting to show age. If a new 6010 plasma shows me a more blueish ice surface, I will certainly not complain... provided the red jerseys of the team remains the splendid color it is now.

I keep hoping that D-nice and technology experts like XROX will opine on whether rumored 2008 model lumen improvements may solve this white issue. But it looks like we may have to wait until 2008 CES has been assessed.

Well, I watched the Happy Feet HD-DVD today and I have no interest in whiter whites than what I saw during that movie. The whites were absolutely white. The PQ was as close to perfect as I've seen.

For me, I think the only time it's an issue is with an all white screen or when watching hockey. How many all white screens do we sit around watching? So, that leaves hockey. I can live with it. I don't get to see that many Pens games anyway. :)

I'm in the market now for a new flat paneled TV. After looking at the LCD's and the Plasma's, I've decided to focus my attention on the Pioneer plasma's (50" Elite). The colors are exceptional, and viewing it was easy on my eyes. Plus my wife loved it. The only small drawback was the intensity of the whites. Therefore, I'm hoping to also hear some news as to what Pioneer might be coming up with for next year. I'm hoping some of this 10-lumen technology (brightness) will be incorporated into their TV's in 2008. If so...I'll wait....if not...I'm buying this years model.

I can be a little patient since, I have no other equipment to go with this TV that I'm going to need (DVD player, AV, ect). So by the time I get done researching all that equipment, I hope to hear something about next years models.

My experience: I've owned a 42" plasma, CRTs, and soon to be a 60" Kuro, and I'm a huge hockey fan. Since hockey arenas are bathed in arc-lamp harsh white light you need to raise the color temp to get more blue. I've watched hockey on the 150FD and it is perfectly fine for me.

LCD whites are just way to harsh for me. Right now I have a Dell 19" moniter with the backlight at zero. Othewise my eyes get tired really fast.

Same goes for PC use on the Kuro, I've hooked my laptop up and surfed the net on the 150FD and it looks spectacular at 1080p.

Cheers

Gee, you guys are killing me here...I nearly bought a Pio 5080 today, but my BB coupon didn't work out right. Now I'm reading that hockey may not look that good - which is the main reason I am getting a new HD TV. Maybe I should go for the Samsung 71?

Gee, you guys are killing me here...I nearly bought a Pio 5080 today, but my BB coupon didn't work out right. Now I'm reading that hockey may not look that good - which is the main reason I am getting a new HD TV. Maybe I should go for the Samsung 71?

Well you'll have blurring issues on LCD :(

Perhaps you should wait until the new plasma's come out? We should have more improvements on luminence efficiency.

I'm starting to think I should save $1000 and buy a Panny 720p or something, then move it to the bedroom or something in a few years when I can buy something that makes the Kuro's look grey for $1000?

Well you'll have blurring issues on LCD :(

Perhaps you should wait until the new plasma's come out? We should have more improvements on luminence efficiency.

I agree with Xrox.

I have watch a bunch of Red Wings games on my 950 in both SD and HD and they look great.
I'm not sure if any of you have actually been out on the ice before, but it is normally not stark white.

When watching the wings, the white of the jerseys is crisp, clean and bright. Compared to the altered white of the ice surface. Which leads me to believe that it is the ice that is a wierd shade and not my tv that is making it look that way.

I will try and post some pictures of my set while watching hockey. I can honestly say, hockey has never looked better.
(unless your at the Joe)

I'm starting to think I should save $1000 and buy a Panny 720p or something, then move it to the bedroom or something in a few years when I can buy something that makes the Kuro's look grey for $1000?

You could but I just mean waiting until CES in 2 months, at that point we'll know whats on the table for next year. Panasonic is going to have to match the KURO to get me to bite though because they are definately cheaper but lack the connectivity and superb processing of the pioneers.

When watching the wings, the white of the jerseys is crisp, clean and bright. Compared to the altered white of the ice surface. Which leads me to believe that it is the ice that is a wierd shade and not my tv that is making it look that way.


Or it could be the arena lighting shining down on the ice. I remember
attending a NJ Devil game and the lighting they were using had a
yellowish white to it.

Just another possibility to consider.

Gee, you guys are killing me here...I nearly bought a Pio 5080 today, but my BB coupon didn't work out right. Now I'm reading that hockey may not look that good - which is the main reason I am getting a new HD TV. Maybe I should go for the Samsung 71?

I want to clarify my post when I said the whites are only a problem for me when watching hockey. It's not really a problem for me. I don't think hockey looks bad. What I meant is that is the only time I can see what people are referring to as "gray whites" on this TV. I guess it depends on what you're used to. I came from a seven year old 32" Sony XBR CRT. That was a fine TV in its time. But this is just a different experience. To me, everything looks incredible now!

If you want whiter ice, you can bump the contrast up when watching hockey. I just don't mess with it because it looks perfectly acceptable to me. The best thing to do is go to the store and see it for yourself.

You could but I just mean waiting until CES in 2 months, at that point we'll know whats on the table for next year. Panasonic is going to have to match the KURO to get me to bite though because they are definately cheaper but lack the connectivity and superb processing of the pioneers.Pioneer/Panasonic continue to improve their PDPs each year.

One can always play the "waiting game" for the next best display to come along, which is next August :eek: for another generation of Kuro Elite PDPs followed by CES 2009. :D

Pioneer/Panasonic continue to improve their PDPs each year.

One can always play the "waiting game" for the next best display to come along, which is next August :eek: for another generation of Kuro Elite PDPs followed by CES 2009. :D

Yeha but we're so close to CES why not at least wait and see whats in store? If you dont like it or think its worth the wait pickup a current panasonic or KURO on clearance.

Pio's release schedule is different than the other mfg's but panasonic typically releases in early/mid april.

I agree with Xrox.

I have watch a bunch of Red Wings games on my 950 in both SD and HD and they look great.
I'm not sure if any of you have actually been out on the ice before, but it is normally not stark white.

When watching the wings, the white of the jerseys is crisp, clean and bright. Compared to the altered white of the ice surface. Which leads me to believe that it is the ice that is a wierd shade and not my tv that is making it look that way.

I will try and post some pictures of my set while watching hockey. I can honestly say, hockey has never looked better.
(unless your at the Joe)

I'm also a huge hockey fan - Go Canes! Anyways, I've had my 950HD for about two weeks now and I have watched games in SD and HD. HD is absolutely spectacular!! I think the ice color is correct. You can actually see the cuts in the ice even! SD is pretty darn good, but the ice is a bit grayer than it should be. Also, something to consider is the quality of the TV channel in my opinion. When I compare HD channels (I have TWC), some channels are darker than others...Anyways, which can you stand - blurring skaters (LCD) or slightly grey ice (plasma)... I'll take the grey ice...my 2 cents ...

Yeah, I'd prefer not to wait another few months for CES - the old thing, wait and wait or enjoy now. I play hockey and the ice is never white, nearly more gray than white after its been skated for 2 periods. I'm glad more of you responded about hockey, thanks. So, nobody is dissatisfied watching hockey on their Kuro, right? Just a few noticing the whites not what they expected?

My very limited exposure to the "whites" was a skiing broadcast with LCD and Kuro side by side in a store - approx 1/3 blue sky, 2/3 white snow. The snow on the LCD looked like fresh white snow. The snow on the Kuro looked like I was viewing thru polarized glasses. The blue sky on the LCD seemed natural. The blue on the Kuro seemed a little darker than normal.

Could have been bad settings on the Kuro I suppose. It seemed to me the store was not that brightly lit - not much different from my evening family room lighting.

- I've watched more than 20 hockey games on my TV, my friends and I all agree that the white looks quite dim even though I boost the contrast and brightness setting tremendously. I do watch on 4 different HD channels: CBC, RDS, TSN and SportsNet. I do play hockey games on PS3, watch recorded DVDs.

- I've invited a lot of friends to my house to watch the game. None is impressed even though it's the first time they really experience HD hockey.

- It's true that the white varies slightly on different channels and areas. But globally, it's not as nice as the traditional tubes or LCD.

- The partial white (small portion) looks perfectly fine though

- Do I regret ? Just a bit; I'm more disappointed than regretted. The overall pictures are still great.

- I strongly recommend to a hockey fan to see at least a game (maybe not full game) before making a decision.

So when am I invited over? ;)

- I've watched more than 20 hockey games on my TV, my friends and I all agree that the white looks quite dim even though I boost the contrast and brightness setting tremendously. I do watch on 4 different HD channels: CBC, RDS, TSN and SportsNet. I do play hockey games on PS3, watch recorded DVDs.

- I've invited a lot of friends to my house to watch the game. None is impressed even though it's the first time they really experience HD hockey.

- It's true that the white varies slightly on different channels and areas. But globally, it's not as nice as the traditional tubes or LCD.

- The partial white (small portion) looks perfectly fine though

- Do I regret ? Just a bit; I'm more disappointed than regretted. The overall pictures are still great.

- I strongly recommend to a hockey fan to see at least a game (maybe not full game) before making a decision.

- Do I regret ? Just a bit; I'm more disappointed than regretted. The overall pictures are still great.

- I strongly recommend to a hockey fan to see at least a game (maybe not full game) before making a decision.zzoo, from your post history it seems like this is a huge issue for you? I would really suggest you return your display for an LCD.

- and I'm a hockey fan BTW and whites are just fine on PDP for me.

I've noticed this issue a lot - IMO its any Plasma -vs- LCD - not just Pioneer.

I prefer Plasma - always have, even in the face of some pretty decent LCDs lately, but I've got a large, bright, many-windowed kitchen / family room and plasma is un-watchable during the day. Period.

So I've got Plasmas in rooms that are dimmer, or when viewing occurs mainly after sunset (bedroom).

But I think the fact remains that like the good 'ole CRT, plasma must divide the energy from its PSU to the screen, such that a 100 IRE window is displayed, it is considerably brighter than a 100 IRE full-frame.

I remember whan I went from my big Sony CRT front-projector years ago to the first digital / single lens model, this was a really noticeable issue.

I do think that this issue has pros, as well, though. I think that many are used to or prefer the old "Punchy" video displayed by CRT and now plasma displays because on normal or medium APL video content, the power reserve of the PSU is plenty capable, and the resulting image normally provides very good ANSI contrast.

For those who haven't noticed the issue, take a look at the video wall in BB or CC next time you are in there: In many "average" apl scenes, the plasmas and LCDs look to be very similar or even the same in light output (assuming all are in "torch mode" - which they usually are), but when a commercial or something with a mostly white screen comes on, the LCDs dominate in light output - the plasmas just don't have the juice.

The LCDs I presume for this reason technically have a very linear light output across different picture contents, while the plasmas are non-linear in this regard, but I think this is in some ways what attracts people to a good CRT or Plasma while viewing more "balanced" video content.

.02, anyway.