View Full Version : Keep a Barco Cine7 or Buy a Digital Proj?
pcie2007 11-23-07, 01:16 AM hi i got a cine7 seven years old.
i connected a Toshiba HD-xa1 over Component and the picture quality was not sharp and very soft.
Should I sell it and buy a AE2000 Digital Proj or is there something i can do to get the Barco in a sharp image?
thanks all for your help :)
set the XA1 to 1080i and that should improve the image softness. After you do this ,i would compare both units.
Curt Palme 11-23-07, 09:51 AM How many hours are on the Cine7? It is an ES focusing set, a top of the line one, but tbase is right, 1080p is far too high a resolution for that set. 1080i is ideal.
Before you think that you're losing a lot by not running 1080p... you're not..:)
draganm 11-23-07, 12:53 PM Should I sell it and buy a AE2000 Digital Proj or is there something i can do to get the Barco in a sharp image?thanks all for your help :) an ES focusing set like the 701 will have lost a lot of it's focusing ability at the 7K hour mark. I would look for a nice BG808S EM focusing set before I bought a digital. something like this one http://fleabaybarco.notlong.com
pcie2007 11-23-07, 11:59 PM How many hours are on the Cine7? It is an ES focusing set, a top of the line one, but tbase is right, 1080p is far too high a resolution for that set. 1080i is ideal.
Before you think that you're losing a lot by not running 1080p... you're not..:)
hi Curt, thanks for the advice. yet to check the hours. but i saw a AE900 with the Toshiba XA1 and then the results were far from that on my Cine7. I am keen on the sharpness that the AE900 ( and AE2000) should be able deliver. Is that something the Barco Cine7 cant do anymore? :)
Though i believe on the contrast and black level, Cine7 will win easily..
pcie2007 11-24-07, 12:01 AM an ES focusing set like the 701 will have lost a lot of it's focusing ability at the 7K hour mark. I would look for a nice BG808S EM focusing set before I bought a digital. something like this one http://fleabaybarco.notlong.com
do u mean the CRT projector will lose the focusing ability for good?
does it happen to digital projectors?
can i recalibrate the Cine7 again to get the focus back?
I remembered the technician spent a whole day on adjusting the Cine7 seven years ago, when i first bought it. but i dont understand wat he was doing. can i learn and do what he did so as to improve the Cine 7?
pcie2007 11-24-07, 12:02 AM if i were to sell my cine7, how much will it be able fetch? :) thanks
Curt Palme 11-24-07, 02:06 AM Not much frankly. $300 maybe? It really all depends on the tube condition. I'll bet you have some wear, which makes the set worthless except to someone like me that would use it for parts.
As per your post above, are you saying you didn't like the digital? THey are pretty much plug and play, so unless someone got into the settings and really messed around with them, that's as good as that unit gets.
AS for your Cine 7, if it hasn't been tweaked in 7 years, then it's overdue for a tweak and internal focus control adjustment. Keep in mind, you won't get 7 years out of any new digital you buy..:)
PeriSoft 11-24-07, 08:15 AM I've run my 4000-hour 1271q against a Mitsubishi HC4000 (3lcd 1080p "10000:1" (right)). I wouldn't trade them if one of them had to be my only PJ. I might run the Mitsu for gaming or desktop stuff, but for movies? Not in a million years. It *might* be different if I was running a hidef source, but even then... unlikely. It just looks wrong. And black level. Yeah. But even without black level - there's just something squishy and off about digitals once you've run a CRT.
draganm 11-24-07, 12:35 PM do u mean the CRT projector will lose the focusing ability for good?can i recalibrate the Cine7 again to get the focus back?A set of tubes in a CRT is only good for about 10K hours on average. The 3 tubes in an electrostatic focusing set like the 701 will have lost a lot of their sharpness by the 7k hour mark. The higher end CRT's like the Cine 8 will keep 90% of the shaprness all the way through to 10k hours. At that point, re-tubing will make either machine perform like new again.
I am sure that even at 7K hours, learning how to properly set-up your machine for a 1080i input will give some accpetable results. however, most people in your position will upgrade either to a better CRT or a 1080p digital. forget about the $500. X1, total piece of garbage.
Ericglo 11-24-07, 04:58 PM You may be able to find some replacement tubes on ebay for cheap. Otherwise, if it has a lot of hours then I would part it out.
I think it is a little unfair to compare a 7" CRT to a Panny 2000. If you are spending that much, then you should be comparing it to a 8" LC or 9".
pcie2007 11-25-07, 11:41 PM i checked the hours~ its about 1100 :o haha in 7 years...
i gonna try refocusing the tubes.
are there any good guides online? i still searching for some, hope to have your inputs :)
i realised the Horizontal Phase and the Raster are very far apart, one is 90 and one is 43 on the 0-100 scale in the Barco Cine 7. That's not good rite? The manual says these two values should be near each other and approximately 50, midway of the scales.
can anyone guide me on this? :) thanks
pcie2007 11-25-07, 11:43 PM I've run my 4000-hour 1271q against a Mitsubishi HC4000 (3lcd 1080p "10000:1" (right)). I wouldn't trade them if one of them had to be my only PJ. I might run the Mitsu for gaming or desktop stuff, but for movies? Not in a million years. It *might* be different if I was running a hidef source, but even then... unlikely. It just looks wrong. And black level. Yeah. But even without black level - there's just something squishy and off about digitals once you've run a CRT.
haha its BEST if u can own CRT and Digitals at the same time.. but i cant afford the space lol
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