I spent exactly 5 minutes listening to MP3's and WMA's on my home setup. I have Deftech speakers and a Yahama AVR.

I made some CD's and took a quick listen. Compared to even a regular CD, forget SACD and DVD-A it was just useless to listen to.

I've been sharing video over the network for the PS3 for a while and decided to try some 128kbps WMA files.

Honestly I'm amazed how well the PS3 handles them. The bass response is great and it sounds incredible considering the poor quality of the original recordings.

Far better than how they sounded right off a CD in my player.

If Sony would just add some lossless support with some very minor audio tweaks like bass management I'd get my entire CD collection onto the computer.

I use an analog bass manager(ICBM) and never have heard the digital side nearly as good but the PS3 playing a WMA comes close as far as bass response and overall feel of the music.

Will they ever add it? The hardware obviously can be near audiophile level if they'd just do a few simple things.

I currently have my entire collection in wma lossless, and then reencoded it in high rate mp3 for the ps3. I personally use 256 kbit/sec rate for my recodes. You can go lower, but why bother. The file size increase is not much, and since you are playing it on good speakers, you will want the higher bitrate. These highrate mp3 files are identical (to my ears) as their cd counterparts.

To my ears they are not even close.

In the car and that I don't hear a huge difference but at home I do. I just want the original completely uncompressed.

Eric, I feel you on this one this but I doubt it will happen. Reason being I think Sony is not going to support digital formats that they have no control over. Also Sony is a big company which makes it a big target for lawsuits too. I can easily see Sony adding these formats to the PS3 and some company out of now where will want to sue them. Honestly if I was Sony I would just buy all these file formats. Ogg, FLAC, AAC, Xvid, WMA, if I was Sony I'll own them all :D

I don't care what format it is :)

I just want a lossless format...I hear it will play uncompressed WAV...that might be my next experiment.

If it supports WMA why not WMA with no compression?

Eric, I feel you on this one this but I doubt it will happen. Reason being I think Sony is not going to support digital formats that they have no control over. Also Sony is a big company which makes it a big target for lawsuits too. I can easily see Sony adding these formats to the PS3 and some company out of now where will want to sue them. Honestly if I was Sony I would just buy all these file formats. Ogg, FLAC, AAC, Xvid, WMA, if I was Sony I'll own them all :D

Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, and Xvid are free formats (and they should stay that way :)). If Sony wanted to add them they could at no charge, as long as they comply with the licenses.

If you have enough disc space, you could always use WAV. However, I don't think those files are output exactly as is, since I tried some DTS WAV files and got noise. It may just be resampling them to 48khz. They should still sound better to you than the compressed formats.

Does it support AAC lossless? it might not just encode them on the PS3 that's all.

Does it support AAC lossless? it might not just encode them on the PS3 that's all.

There's something called "AAC lossless"?

Are you sure you aren't confusing that with Apple Lossless (which is an entirely different codec)?

The ps3 supports ATRAC up to 352kbps, it sounds almost identical to the cd

What CD?

There are huge differences in how a CD is mastered and the quality of the engineer doing work.

A good engineer knows exaclty how he wants the CD to sound, compressing it throws that out the window.

I've got some great CD's and some crappy ones...yes the crappy ones would probably be fine in AATRAC but anything near average or above I'd could tell the difference.

I'd really like it if they would come out with a new HD audio format...SACD and DVD-A are floundering...if they had something BD based I think it could take off right this time around.

I didnt say i couldnt tell a difference, i have most of my cds on the ps3 using atrac 352kbps, thinking that would be the closest i could get to cd quality when burning my cds to the ps3, no?

^^ No matter the format DVD-A SACD or even (if) BD Audio. High-res audio is always going to be a Niche market, and will never (IMHO) sell well. With the I-pod being as popular as it is, and Redbook CD's struggling, in the MP3/Ipod world. A new High-res audio format will be fighting a huge up hill battle right out of the gate. As cool and easy as it would be to have High-res Audio on BD, I dont see it happening.

^^ No matter the format DVD-A SACD or even (if) BD Audio. High-res audio is always going to be a Niche market, and will never (IMHO) sell well. With the I-pod being as popular as it is, and Redbook CD's struggling, in the MP3/Ipod world. A new High-res audio format will be fighting a huge up hill battle right out of the gate. As cool and easy as it would be to have High-res Audio on BD, I dont see it happening.

don't think anyone is asking for high-res audio on BD, they are asking for a format that enables them to rip their cd collection to the PS3 hard drive in lossless form. so far all the formats listed in the ps3 are lossy. it would be nice to see the ps3 support FLAC (which saves a ton of disk space while remaining lossless), whether or not it can rip a cd to it, there are other ways of transfering files to the ps3 but so far it doesnt play any lossless file formats that i know of.

don't think anyone is asking for high-res audio on BD, they are asking for a format that enables them to rip their cd collection to the PS3 hard drive in lossless form. so far all the formats listed in the ps3 are lossy. it would be nice to see the ps3 support FLAC (which saves a ton of disk space while remaining lossless), whether or not it can rip a cd to it, there are other ways of transfering files to the ps3 but so far it doesnt play any lossless file formats that i know of.

Post # 10 made references to BD-Audio. I understand what you (and most others ) are wanting. But it's still a small group of people who want Lossless audio (Flac/ WAV/ Windows or Apple lossless) Would it be cool on the PS3. Certainly, but seeing as how Sony went out the way to create their own lossy compression (Atrac) only to basically bail on it, for what the masses wanted MP3 and WMA, shows you who Sony is listening too. The masses. Throw in the fact that they dropped SACD from "the console of choice" (the 40gig) Is to me just another sign of where things are going. I mean most people who own PS3's still dont have HDMI AVR's and they certainly dont have 1000 dollar plus speaker rigs that can reproduce the audio the way it was meant to be...nevermind actually listening to music, instead of hearing it. Call me crazy.. I know.

i got my Apple Lossless to work using this link:

http://forums.tversity.com/viewtopic.php?p=31089


downloaded the codec, ran the register.bat, and voila!

i got my Apple Lossless to work using this link:

http://forums.tversity.com/viewtopic.php?p=31089


downloaded the codec, ran the register.bat, and voila!

I don't see anything about the PS3 on there. How did you run a .bat file on the PS3?

i got my Apple Lossless to work using this link:

http://forums.tversity.com/viewtopic.php?p=31089


downloaded the codec, ran the register.bat, and voila!

Yeah using tversity has worked for awhile now with the other lossless formats. Problem is, that isnt on board support for the PS3 (Which is what the OP wants) If all you want to do is stream that Lossless music, tversity works fine. BUT! With recent upgrades and new games coming out that support music playlist playback via the PS3 HD. That music Must be on the INTERNAL HD. I long since pulled all my music off the internal Hard disk. So internal support for lossless audio still needs to be addressed...either that or you will need to have a copy of the Music in MP3/WMA on the internal and another lossless copy on a media server. Sounds like fun to me :D

ATRAC3plus lossless @ 352kbps is identical to original PCM raw data in smaller form that FLAC in my opinion.

Finally got FLAC transcoding working through TVersity today, and I've been ripping CDs like crazy.

Only problem is that the PS3 resamples 44.1 kHz to 48 kHz. Not sure if the quality takes any significant hit during this process, though. It sounds better than playing the actual CD in the PS3.

Finally got FLAC transcoding working through TVersity today, and I've been ripping CDs like crazy.

Only problem is that the PS3 resamples 44.1 kHz to 48 kHz. Not sure if the quality takes any significant hit during this process, though. It sounds better than playing the actual CD in the PS3.

Why not just use .wav? The PS3 sees it as a PCM file, and (i think) it will play it back at 44.1k

Cause the filesize is insane?

hey guys-

not to jump in and steal the thread, but what would be your guys' best recomendation for ripping when considering about a 80/20 relationship between quality/filespace?

I just don't have the space for 10,000+ songs uncompressed and, with all due repsect to those here, I just do not note a helluva lot difference between a 320 aac rip and a flac on MOST material.

I do like itunes, how do we feel about apple lossless?

does this codec present sig compatibility problems? I have a ps3, but have already found it UNBEARABLE for music- mainly due to its absurdly slow menu system (it can sometimes take minutes to display album info/art).


apple lossles would render the files incompatible with the ps3, right?

any advice from you "pros" would be appreciated.

thanks,
james

Finally got FLAC transcoding working through TVersity today, and I've been ripping CDs like crazy.

Only problem is that the PS3 resamples 44.1 kHz to 48 kHz. Not sure if the quality takes any significant hit during this process, though. It sounds better than playing the actual CD in the PS3.

Megalith,
Can you, please describe how you set up FLAC transcoding.
Does the PS3 display tag info? How about album artwork?

Thanx

Megalith,
Can you, please describe how you set up FLAC transcoding.
Does the PS3 display tag info? How about album artwork?

Thanx

Megalith,
I am not sure (because of AVS crashing and restoring from backup) whether you answered, but please, let me know how to set up FLAC transcoding for the PS3.

Let me post it again.

You have to go into ffdshow and enable FLAC decoding (libavcodec) under codecs. If that doesn't work, install a codec pack called illiminable.

I've been using Tversity to access my FLAC files from my "upstairs" computer via wired internet. This has worked well except for a few problems I cannot overcome. One is that the songs rarely still play to completion. There is often a hiccup or truncation that occurs which is totally unacceptable.

To use FLAC in Tversity just install the CODEC pack located in the Tversity website.

Another issue which drives me crazy is that i cannot get Tversity to output the tags properly to PS3. I've spent way to much time trying to figure that out. I couldn't I too wish for lossless support on my PS3. I don't want to load another OS onto my PS3 just to play FLAC due to the software management issue with having another OS! Comparing FLAC through Tversity vs the lossy codecs Sony can do natively is to large a gap in quality IMO.

I have a Squeezebox 3 which I've been modding. It's currently a small step below the quality of the PS3 (surprisingly but more mods on the way) but WAY better in usability. It has no problem with access to FLAC, Apple lossless or any other codec I've thrown at it.
Just my .02

Any updates on what (or when) the PS3 will support any lossless audio files (particulary WMA Lossless but I could always convert my library!)???

Thanks
Nathan

Any updates on what (or when) the PS3 will support any lossless audio files (particulary WMA Lossless but I could always convert my library!)???

Thanks
Nathan


anything about this?

anything about this?

None. and I personally dont see it happening. They already paid MS for WMA audio rights. Im sure they dont want to go back and pay for WMA lossless which is a VERY niche' format. I'd say they would go FLAC before WMAL.

Interesting, I just looked up ALAC vs AAC, I always assumed they had the same basis merely because the shared the same file extensions; guess I was wrong :P

I'd rather have them implement FLAC, APE or ALAC before WMAL, WMAL is easily the most niche of all those formats.

Atrac Advanced Lossless huh, I shall have to investigate further, anyone tried it on their PS3, does it work?

They will probably do neither. I just don't think wider support of video and audio formats is a big priority for the firmware team, sadly. It'd be nice if they would make it one though, I agree -- FLAC, enhanced support for any wav file that's not 44.1 khz and 2 channel, those would be the first two things on my list.

I have given up on lossless audio support, even though I just upgraded to a 320GB HD in my PS3 i starting ripping CD's at 320bit AAC and I am okay with any potential fidelity loss. I still want to rip lossless to the PC though.

Anyway, any ideas on what to use to rip on my PC to AAC and stream or transfer to my PS3. I am going to try it again but if I rip using iTunes the track names and such are not read by the PS3 when using a flash drive for transferring. When I copy a file from WMP10 to the PS3 it keeps the names but WMP10 does not support AAC.

Any good DLNA software that supports AAC? I do not want to ruin my BD drive on 300 CD's. I already had my BD drive replaced once under warranty.

I know this thread died many years ago, but the content is still relevant and I am also facing the same question - ripping CD's to a HDD with a lossless format or close to lossless that the PS3 will play streaming from my home server (WHS).

I have been ripping them from FLAC's & CD's to WMA's because the FLAC will not play or be seen on the PS3. My Pioneer SC-27 plays FLAC through its Home Media Group (HMG) option, but it is slow and clunky to use, so I prefer the PS3 as it is much faster and more responsive when digging through a few thousand songs on our home server.

I finally found that ripping to a .wma (Windows Media 9.1/320kbps/44 kHz/Stereo/CBR) works great, but the PS3 plays like 30 seconds of the song and moves on to the next. The PS3 only does this on WMA files and I have them enabled within the settings, so I am confused why does it play them for like 30 seconds then moves to the next song? My Pioneer SC-27 will play them in full, Winamp plays them full on the PC, but the PS3 plays like a sampling when it hits the WMA files - any ideas?

Is there a better lossless or close to lossless format that the PS3 will play fully? What codec's are used?

I really don't know because I don't use the PS3 for media, but I found this with a search: http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/archive/index.php/t-19835.html

Download (free) PS3 Media server.
Very easy to use and it works great.
http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/

I know this thread died many years ago, but the content is still relevant and I am also facing the same question - ripping CD's to a HDD with a lossless format or close to lossless that the PS3 will play streaming from my home server (WHS).

I have been ripping them from FLAC's & CD's to WMA's because the FLAC will not play or be seen on the PS3. My Pioneer SC-27 plays FLAC through its Home Media Group (HMG) option, but it is slow and clunky to use, so I prefer the PS3 as it is much faster and more responsive when digging through a few thousand songs on our home server.

I finally found that ripping to a .wma (Windows Media 9.1/320kbps/44 kHz/Stereo/CBR) works great, but the PS3 plays like 30 seconds of the song and moves on to the next. The PS3 only does this on WMA files and I have them enabled within the settings, so I am confused why does it play them for like 30 seconds then moves to the next song? My Pioneer SC-27 will play them in full, Winamp plays them full on the PC, but the PS3 plays like a sampling when it hits the WMA files - any ideas?

Is there a better lossless or close to lossless format that the PS3 will play fully? What codec's are used?
Have you tried 320K CBR MP3? I use a VBR which averages out to ~ 192K and it sounds great. I cant distinguish it from the original CD, nor can other people who have listened to the system. I stream the music with Twonkymedia Server. I prefer LAME as an MP3 encoder. Many programs use LAME as the encoder and it is considered the best out there.

BTW, dont use 48KHz for the music settings on the PS3. It really muddies up the sound. Use 44.1KHz.

BTW, dont use 48KHz for the music settings on the PS3. It really muddies up the sound. Use 44.1KHz.

48Khz should be used strictly for video related audio.

I know this thread died many years ago, but the content is still relevant and I am also facing the same question - ripping CD's to a HDD with a lossless format or close to lossless that the PS3 will play streaming from my home server (WHS).

I have been ripping them from FLAC's & CD's to WMA's because the FLAC will not play or be seen on the PS3. My Pioneer SC-27 plays FLAC through its Home Media Group (HMG) option, but it is slow and clunky to use, so I prefer the PS3 as it is much faster and more responsive when digging through a few thousand songs on our home server.

I finally found that ripping to a .wma (Windows Media 9.1/320kbps/44 kHz/Stereo/CBR) works great, but the PS3 plays like 30 seconds of the song and moves on to the next. The PS3 only does this on WMA files and I have them enabled within the settings, so I am confused why does it play them for like 30 seconds then moves to the next song? My Pioneer SC-27 will play them in full, Winamp plays them full on the PC, but the PS3 plays like a sampling when it hits the WMA files - any ideas?

Is there a better lossless or close to lossless format that the PS3 will play fully? What codec's are used?

As sjm817 said use 320kbps MP3 or MP4/AAC. I used AAC and it sounds great. The benefit of MP3 is that the album cover image is shown on the PS3 whereas the AAC album cover is not. But that is a trivial matter.

Well, I'm trying to use this forum the right way and I know there is a thread that describes the PS3 audio set-up very well and in-depth. I was looking at it the other day and stupidly did not bookmark it. So, I have been searching for it for the last half hour and can't find it ( I know, I feel like an idiot). Does anyone know the whereabouts of this elusive (at least to me) thread?
I'm finally getting a half way decent AVR (PIO VSX-9040TXH) and need to prepare for the set-up.

Well, I'm trying to use this forum the right way and I know there is a thread that describes the PS3 audio set-up very well and in-depth. I was looking at it the other day and stupidly did not bookmark it. So, I have been searching for it for the last half hour and can't find it ( I know, I feel like an idiot). Does anyone know the whereabouts of this elusive (at least to me) thread?
I'm finally getting a half way decent AVR (PIO VSX-9040TXH) and need to prepare for the set-up.

Are you talking about: Official PS3 FAQ Master Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931796)?

48Khz should be used strictly for video related audio.
The downside is you cant get back to the XMB to do a picture slideshow while listening to music unless you use 48KHz. You used to be able to. The 48KHz music sounds terrible, so its not worth the tradeoff.

Yeah JChin! Thanks! I don't know why I couldn't find it. Searched terms that seemed to make sense, no luck. It's a big forum and I'm pretty much new to it. Appreciate it.

I know this thread died many years ago, but the content is still relevant and I am also facing the same question - ripping CD's to a HDD with a lossless format or close to lossless that the PS3 will play streaming from my home server (WHS).

Download (free) PS3 Media server.
Very easy to use and it works great.
http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/

PS3MS is the answer. You can keep all your CDs in FLAC on your server and the PS3 Media Server software will transcode to PCM (WAV) which your PS3 can understand. I listen to all my live music downloads this way and am getting ready to re-rip a bunch of CDs into FLAC. I keep mp3 versions for my iPod.