Anyone know? It's been a year and no upgrade...:confused::confused::confused:

You think we would keep it a secret if we knew?

Seriously, at this point I'm beginning to doubt we'll ever get it.

Anyone thinking this is a requirement for buying a ps3, please don't buy it till a firmware is released with it.

There is a lot of hope this may happen, but don't rely on this as a purchasing decision. If you have a AVR and the 7.1 speakers to utilize DTS-HD-MA, get the Samsung 1400.

-Splints

Sony PlayStation 3 never advertised with DTS-HD MA on the box. It says DTS Digital
surround. Dolby TrueHD is on the box and TrueHD works with PlayStation 3 as PCM
through PCM. You're lucky to have DTS-HD MA on PS3 on future firmware.

Anyone thinking this is a requirement for buying a ps3, please don't buy it till a firmware is released with it.

There is a lot of hope this may happen, but don't rely on this as a purchasing decision. If you have a AVR and the 7.1 speakers to utilize DTS-HD-MA, get the Samsung 1400.

-Splints


Actualy I would advise staying away from the 1400. Go read the owners thread as it is INSANE how many issues people are having.

If you have a pre/pro/receiver that can decode the newer audio formats either grab a Panny 30 or the Pioneer 95. Both are very solid stable players unlike the buggy Sammy 1400.;)

Sony PlayStation 3 never advertised with DTS-HD MA on the box. It says DTS Digital
surround. Dolby TrueHD is on the box and TrueHD works with PlayStation 3 as PCM
through PCM. You're lucky to have DTS-HD MA on PS3 on future firmware.

Wow...A first. Someone who points out what the PS3 says it can do, and actually does, and doesnt EXPECT something that was never advertised. Every other day there is a thread or someone bitching about DTS-HD MA.... For a year now.. It's been a rumor for a year, creating new threads isnt gonna make that rumor become fact any faster.

link: PS3 and DTS-HD MA: is it really planned? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824033)

why can't all movies just have pcm??, not like bluray is starved for space.

why can't all movies just have pcm??, not like bluray is starved for space.

Here here!! But to answer the question why? Because Dolby labs and DTS wouldnt have anything else to fight over, and more importantly... they wouldnt be making ANY money on BD movies. It all boils down to Dolby and DTS own pockets, and the cut they get from having the movie houses (Fox or Columbia) use their format on the New HD movies. Its not like their end result is different than Lossless PCM. "Always the Dollars"

link: PS3 and DTS-HD MA: is it really planned? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824033)

Thanks Marc. :):):)

Dont you think Sony would have to pay DTS to use (decode) DTS-HD Master Audio since there is no actual logo on the PS3? If there is a firmware update for this, I can almost bet it will be via the Playstation Store so DTS can be paid and Sony will make a few bucks.

...just my opinion.

I sure hope we at least get a Bitstream option via HDMI. I would not think this would require money paid to DTS because the PS3 would not be extracting the lossless uncompressed PCM data from the "zipped" DTS-HD Master Audio wrapper.

They could do this with Dolby TrueHD as well and shave a few bucks off the system price for the low-end model...since they would not be paying Dolby Labs for the rights to decode it.

For some reason I keep thinking of the soup natzi on seinfeld and him saying "No DTS for you.."

Just picked up a Marantz SR7002.... A bit confused since I'm just getting into HT...

Marantz SR7002 (http://us.marantz.com/Products/2205.asp)

If my receiver supports these sound formats, does that mean I can get DTS-MA HD through the receiver even though the PS3 currently doesn't output it? Will the receiver decode the audio?

(yes I know this sounds like an idiotic question, please forgive me)

Just picked up a Marantz SR7002.... A bit confused since I'm just getting into HT...

Marantz SR7002 (http://us.marantz.com/Products/2205.asp)

If my receiver supports these sound formats, does that mean I can get DTS-MA HD through the receiver even though the PS3 currently doesn't output it? Will the receiver decode the audio?

(yes I know this sounds like an idiotic question, please forgive me)
I don't think the PS3 can even output DTS-MA as bitstream either, so no.

For some reason I keep thinking of the soup natzi on seinfeld and him saying "No DTS for you.."

LMFAO!!! :p

For some reason I keep thinking of the soup natzi on seinfeld and him saying "No DTS for you.."

You want bread??? 4 DOLLARS!!!!

What does DTS-MA offer that is better than DD5.1 or DTS?

I think this is a topic that many gripe about just because the PS3 doesn't have it. Could you tell the difference? My PS3 sounds amazing as it is.

Just picked up a Marantz SR7002.... A bit confused since I'm just getting into HT...

Marantz SR7002 (http://us.marantz.com/Products/2205.asp)

If my receiver supports these sound formats, does that mean I can get DTS-MA HD through the receiver even though the PS3 currently doesn't output it? Will the receiver decode the audio?

(yes I know this sounds like an idiotic question, please forgive me)

I just picked a 7002 also. There have been articles (and people on this thread and forum), that have said the PS3 will not pass DTS-MA over bit stream due to either a problem with the 1.3 HDMI chip they implemented or in the software driver. I have never seen anything definitive on what the real problem is. If I set the PS3 to bitstream and select the DTS-MA track (like on Ice Age II), The DTS label on the panel does show up and it does sound great. However, I guess it could just be playing the core DTS track. I don't really know. Does anyone know if there is a way to tell?

on my Denon if you go into the GUI and check status it tells you exactly what is being input to the receiver. I would think the Marantz has somewhere you can check.

What does DTS-MA offer that is better than DD5.1 or DTS?

I think this is a topic that many gripe about just because the PS3 doesn't have it. Could you tell the difference? My PS3 sounds amazing as it is.

Ummm....I know were over in the playstation area but please come join us in the bluray or audio areas and read to your heart's content! Basically in very simple terms, DTSHD-MA is lossless from the studio master (as is Dolby's TrueHD, and uncompressed LPCM found on some blurays) just in a "zipped" form. It runs at a variable bitrate of around 4-5 MBPS, DD and DTS run at 640kbps or lower and even DD+ and DTS core (what you can get from the PS3) run only at 1.5 MBps.

Anyone know? It's been a year and no upgrade...:confused::confused::confused:

The DTS people claim that this will happen before the new year.

Where did you see, or hear this?

What does DTS-MA offer that is better than DD5.1 or DTS?

I think this is a topic that many gripe about just because the PS3 doesn't have it. Could you tell the difference? My PS3 sounds amazing as it is.


For the most part, it means nothing to gamers but for blu-ray lovers this is a must.


Blu-ray Disc dts-HD Master Audio 8 24 96kHz 25.4Mbit/s AACS

Vs.

Blu-ray Disc Dolby Digital AC-3 Perceptual Coding (Lossy) 5.1 ~20 (16 - 24) 48kHz 640kbit/s AACS

and

DVD Disc dts Digital Surround Coherent Acoustics Perceptual Coding (Lossy) 5.1 ~20 (16 - 24) 48kHz 1.509Mbit/s, 754kbit/s CSS

I just picked a 7002 also. There have been articles (and people on this thread and forum), that have said the PS3 will not pass DTS-MA over bit stream due to either a problem with the 1.3 HDMI chip they implemented or in the software driver. I have never seen anything definitive on what the real problem is. If I set the PS3 to bitstream and select the DTS-MA track (like on Ice Age II), The DTS label on the panel does show up and it does sound great. However, I guess it could just be playing the core DTS track. I don't really know. Does anyone know if there is a way to tell?

How are you enjoying the receiver? Mine is still in the box (moving to a house very soon)

so far, I love it.

The DTS people claim that this will happen before the new year.

That would be great news. Where did they state that?

One thing DTS HD MA offers that PCM can't is 24/96 audio.

24/96 5.1 channel audio would need 14Mbits on PCM. This would take up disc space and more importantly bitrate, compromising picture. DTS HD MA can do the same without doing that. I believe all DTS HD tracks are 24/48 right now, though. Even that is 6.9 Mbits on PCM.

In theory, all digital audio isn't truly lossless as it relies on sampling, but I digress.

If people are content with Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 why would you want them to switch?
That's making them buy more expensive equipment just to cater to DTS-MA or TrueHD.
As the old man say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". But yes, it's better than Dolby Digital
and DTS 5.1 if you have the right equipment to enjoy the most of it but if you have a
entry-level surround or even a mid-range system you won't get the full benefits of it but
it will be a definite improvement over Dolby Digital or DTS over any system.

I just picked a 7002 also. There have been articles (and people on this thread and forum), that have said the PS3 will not pass DTS-MA over bit stream due to either a problem with the 1.3 HDMI chip they implemented or in the software driver. I have never seen anything definitive on what the real problem is. If I set the PS3 to bitstream and select the DTS-MA track (like on Ice Age II), The DTS label on the panel does show up and it does sound great. However, I guess it could just be playing the core DTS track. I don't really know. Does anyone know if there is a way to tell?

yea I don't think anyone really knows.

The Silicon Image HDMI chip is HDMI 1.3 but which options it has (bitstream lossless is an OPTION of 1.3!!) no one knows as the chip is PS3 specific and there are no details on the chip that are publicly availalble.

I see a lot of talk about bitrate and passing of greater amounts of information, but what will I hear different with DTS-MA vs. 5.1? Will gun shots and explosions sound different? Will someone walking through a jungle have leaves crunch and twigs break sound different?

I know the tangibles are there (i.e. the numbers), but what will sound different?

If people are content with Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 why would you want them to switch?
That's making them buy more expensive equipment just to cater to DTS-MA or TrueHD.
As the old man say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". But yes, it's better than Dolby Digital
and DTS 5.1 if you have the right equipment to enjoy the most of it but if you have a
entry-level surround or even a mid-range system you won't get the full benefits of it but
it will be a definite improvement over Dolby Digital or DTS over any system.

I see a lot of talk about bitrate and passing of greater amounts of information, but what will I hear different with DTS-MA vs. 5.1? Will gun shots and explosions sound different? Will someone walking through a jungle have leaves crunch and twigs break sound different?

I know the tangibles are there (i.e. the numbers), but what will sound different?

Think cleaner, clearer, and louder. If you have a good speakers, it will make
more difference than DTS to DTS-MA. You are not missing any information
when playing normal DTS, it's just doesn't sound good as DTS-MA.

I see a lot of talk about bitrate and passing of greater amounts of information, but what will I hear different with DTS-MA vs. 5.1? Will gun shots and explosions sound different? Will someone walking through a jungle have leaves crunch and twigs break sound different?

I know the tangibles are there (i.e. the numbers), but what will sound different?

From what I've heard, there is a noticeable improvement. A relevant thread. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=789870&highlight=sound) Read past the first page. You can see what people have said as time has gone on. If you have gone from RCA cables to optical sound, I would think that you've experienced a similar difference. (I did.)

Think cleaner, clearer, and louder. If you have a good speakers, it will make
more difference than DTS to DTS-MA. You are not missing any information
when playing normal DTS, it's just doesn't sound good as DTS-MA.

actually you are missing something. DTS is lossy. DTSHDMA has every sound the master has. Whether you notice an improvement depends on your equipment. If your speakers are less than $1000 you won't notice.

actually you are missing something. DTS is lossy. DTSHDMA has every sound the master has. Whether you notice an improvement depends on your equipment. If your speakers are less than $1000 you won't notice.Please stop with that old wivestale' that you have to have a super-expensive audiophile setup to enjoy lossless tracks- it's just not true. With my JBL mid-range speakers hooked up to my Onkyo 604 receiver I can clearly tell the difference over standard DD or DTS.

Where did you see, or hear this?

Mostly stuff on the forums. I did a quick search and found this also.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Firmware_Upgrades/New_Samsung_Blu-ray_Player_Unlocks_DTS-HD_Master_Audio/1012

...Although the current cost of a high-end receiver capable of decoding the tracks via bitstream is likely to keep DTS-HD Master Audio out of the hands of all but the most dedicated home theater enthusiasts, word on the street is that DTS is working with Sony to add internal DTS-MA decoding to the PS3 before Christmas...

Please stop with that old wivestale' that you have to have a super-expensive audiophile setup to enjoy lossless tracks- it's just not true. With my JBL mid-range speakers hooked up to my Onkyo 604 receiver I can clearly tell the difference over standard DD or DTS.


i agree with you. i have an onkyo 605 with JBL Northridge series speakers and hear a difference, too.

I was saying the HTIB crowd won't notice. I wouldn't say what we have is super-expensive, but it is certainly well above average.

i agree with you. i have an onkyo 605 with JBL Northridge series speakers and hear a difference, too.

I was saying the HTIB crowd won't notice. I wouldn't say what we have is super-expensive, but it is certainly well above average.

Right, you'll need at least mid-fi speakers, and a decent HDMI AVR. HTIB is not gonna cut it. The reciver might..but the speakers wont.
"Louder is better"....It's not..thats what a lot of people will lead you to believe. I did a lossy VS Lossless comparison (blind) with a friend who had no clue what I was doing. I never adjusted the volume on the AVR. And my friend nailed it. He said the Lossless sounded "clearer" NOT louder.

Sony PlayStation 3 never advertised with DTS-HD MA on the box. It says DTS Digital
surround. Dolby TrueHD is on the box and TrueHD works with PlayStation 3 as PCM
through PCM. You're lucky to have DTS-HD MA on PS3 on future firmware.

Fair enough to point out that that TrueHD "works" on the PS3. However, it's my understanding that the problem with the PS3 implementation of TrueHD occurs when trying to listen to TrueHD 7.1 because, apparently, the PS3 will downmix it and send it out via HDMI as PCM 5.1.

I don't mind that I can't bitstream the TrueHD to my Onkyo 705 to decode, but not being able to enjoy 7.1 is a real disappointment. I hope Sony can fix this at some point.

I got the info on the TrueHD 7.1 being downmixed to 5.1 at http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html -- can anyone confirm this?

As of now there are no 7.1 TrueHD tracks out yet. But I know what you are saying and also hope it is wrong as I have a 7.1 system. I know I can apply PLIIx to the track, but if it is mixed as a 7.1 track, I would hope to recieve it this way.

As of now there are no 7.1 TrueHD tracks out yet. But I know what you are saying and also hope it is wrong as I have a 7.1 system. I know I can apply PLIIx to the track, but if it is mixed as a 7.1 track, I would hope to recieve it this way.

"Hairspray" on Blu-ray is 7.1 TrueHD, for one. Not sure if there are others. Can't wait for "3:10 to Yuma" (Jan. 8) with 7.1 PCM, although it will probably be on Netflix's "Very Long Wait" list for months.

You'll hear a difference, enough to buy a new 1000dollar receiver?? not really unless you got money to burn, there are $450 onkyos but can't compete with the power and processing 1000dollar ones can do. DTS 1.5 sounds very good and most reviews for dts give core high marks in SQ.

"Hairspray" on Blu-ray is 7.1 TrueHD, for one. Not sure if there are others. Can't wait for "3:10 to Yuma" (Jan. 8) with 7.1 PCM, although it will probably be on Netflix's "Very Long Wait" list for months.

Hairspray is 7.1 DTS MA not 7.1 True HD

Hairspray is 7.1 DTS MA not 7.1 True HD

You're right, my mistake. So, let me see if I have this straight about which 7.1 audio a PS3 owner can currently enjoy. Linear PCM is a given. I've also read that the PS3 can handle Dolby Digital Plus 7.1, but are there any Blu-rays using this?

And that's it for 7.1 because DTS MA 7.1, DTS HD 7.1 (HRA) and True HD 7.1 (when available) all get downmixed to 5.1 at 48khz. True HD will downmix to Linear PCM 5.1, and both DTS MA 7.1 and DTS HD 7.1 (HRA) will downmix to DTS DS 5.1. at 1.5mbps. Is this accurate?