View Full Version : Can "Mature" rated games be toned down for younger players?


SandLE
11-26-07, 07:21 PM
Hello,

I'm new to console gaming having played PC games for a number of years. Currently I am considering either a PS3 and/or XBox 360.

With the currently popular games that have "Mature" ratings, is there a way within the individual game to tone down the amount of "mature" content such as the language or amount of blood, etc.?

In the past I have played PC games that have a setup option for turning off some of the "mature" content in the game. Just wondering if those options occur in any of the console games.

Thanks for any replies!

BIGDINZ
11-26-07, 07:24 PM
If you're wondering this because of kids there is an option in the PS3 settings that do not allow selected users to play games above a certain rating. I haven't seen any "in-game" settings for what you ask.

Jerz
11-26-07, 07:47 PM
Hello,

I'm new to console gaming having played PC games for a number of years. Currently I am considering either a PS3 and/or XBox 360.

With the currently popular games that have "Mature" ratings, is there a way within the individual game to tone down the amount of "mature" content such as the language or amount of blood, etc.?

In the past I have played PC games that have a setup option for turning off some of the "mature" content in the game. Just wondering if those options occur in any of the console games.

Thanks for any replies!

No... but I would like this feature as well. You would think that with the amount of space available with blueray that an edited version of the same game would be easy to do.

SirDrexl
11-26-07, 07:49 PM
Yeah, the 360 has parental controls as well.

I can't think of any recent games that have this other than the Tony Hawk games where you can turn off the blood shown when you hit the pavement hard. I think there were codes for Grand Theft Auto games to show more blood, but those were obviously already not suitable for kids.

Also, EA's Medal of Honor series (last time I checked) doesn't show blood so they can get Teen ratings for the games.

deveng
11-26-07, 08:09 PM
There have been a couple of games (names escape me) where there was an option for 'extreme gore on/off' (maybe it was Gears of War), but the basic premiss of most 'M' games involves killing thus I do not think you can make a 'M' game any less 'M'.

Jerz
11-26-07, 09:16 PM
I guess the game that comes to my mind first would be Uncharted which is "T" but to me seems worse than Resistance which is an "M" because of all of the cussing (I don't really notice the cussing in RFOM).

It would be nice to be able to turn off the cussing and the blood but I guess the kid has to learn the four letter words some time.

Why is Resistance "M" and uncharted "T" anyway? Anyone know?

NJ3118
11-27-07, 12:00 AM
DO not buy the game if it has M rating. IF you decide to buy it, its nothing worse than what you see on regular TV anyway, remember its not bad videogames its bad parenting.

Cynn
11-27-07, 12:19 AM
Shooting someone in the face with a gun or running them over in a car is just as mature with blood coming out of them as not.

Most mature games function on a "mature" concept. That can't be changed. Take the Gears of War example: You can choose to turn off extreme blood when you rip someone apart with a chainsaw... But you can't remove ripping people apart with chainsaws. Turning off blood or bad words won't make a game better for a child.

I suggest you use your own judgment and the ESRB ratings as your guide.

Cynn
11-27-07, 12:34 AM
I guess the game that comes to my mind first would be Uncharted which is "T" but to me seems worse than Resistance which is an "M" because of all of the cussing (I don't really notice the cussing in RFOM).

It would be nice to be able to turn off the cussing and the blood but I guess the kid has to learn the four letter words some time.

Why is Resistance "M" and uncharted "T" anyway? Anyone know?

Both of these games feature murder as a gameplay feature and you're worried about language? I've never understood this.

Don't get me wrong, I love violent games! I just don't understand the line people draw where murder is a lesser crime than sex and swearing. Imagine if real life was like that. "I don't mind that Cynn killed all those people downtown. I just wish he'd not use that potty mouth around the office!"

For goodness sake! They list use of Tobacco as a warning on the back of the case. lol Sully smokes a cigar and it's something to list as content warning. What's better than that? Use of Tobacco is listed ABOVE violence in the warnings! lol It's better to shoot pirates in the head than to see a grown man choose to smoke a cigar.

Those are the things I'd like answers to. :cool:

zBuff
11-27-07, 02:20 AM
This is something more developers should consider doing.

The flower mode in Serious Sam was pretty funny

dpe8598
11-27-07, 03:03 AM
Both of these games feature murder as a gameplay feature and you're worried about language? I've never understood this.

Don't get me wrong, I love violent games! I just don't understand the line people draw where murder is a lesser crime than sex and swearing. Imagine if real life was like that. "I don't mind that Cynn killed all those people downtown. I just wish he'd not use that potty mouth around the office!"

For goodness sake! They list use of Tobacco as a warning on the back of the case. lol Sully smokes a cigar and it's something to list as content warning. What's better than that? Use of Tobacco is listed ABOVE violence in the warnings! lol It's better to shoot pirates in the head than to see a grown man choose to smoke a cigar.

Those are the things I'd like answers to. :cool:

I totally agree on the sex and cussing thing. This country has its morals backasswards sometimes. I guess to each their own.

Chiahead
11-27-07, 02:35 PM
you want backasswards??? Sesame street is releasing some of the early seasons on DVD. There is a parental warning on it due to the fact that coockie monster has a pipe in his mouth during the monster piece theater segments.

Sesame Street - Mature. Political Correctness running rampant.

so's your face
11-27-07, 02:47 PM
...There is a parental warning on it due to the fact that coockie monster has a pipe in his mouth during the monster piece theater segments...


that's a bit overboard, i'd say...

but then again, the peter sellers episode of the muppet show featured the song, "cigarettes and beer and wild,wild women".

Jerz
11-27-07, 03:37 PM
Both of these games feature murder as a gameplay feature and you're worried about language? I've never understood this.

Don't get me wrong, I love violent games! I just don't understand the line people draw where murder is a lesser crime than sex and swearing. Imagine if real life was like that. "I don't mind that Cynn killed all those people downtown. I just wish he'd not use that potty mouth around the office!"

For goodness sake! They list use of Tobacco as a warning on the back of the case. lol Sully smokes a cigar and it's something to list as content warning. What's better than that? Use of Tobacco is listed ABOVE violence in the warnings! lol It's better to shoot pirates in the head than to see a grown man choose to smoke a cigar.

Those are the things I'd like answers to. :cool:

Elmer J. Fudd shoots bugs bunny, Wyle E Coyoted blows himself up with TNT, Clint Eastwood plays in the greatest cowboy and Indian movies while he smokes cigar and kills people, the news shows murders on TV, the war in Iraq is on constantly showing things blown up but for some reason there is no cussing involved? Wow... no cussing.... imagine that, killing with no cussing. A game is a game is a game; there is no reason for the four letter words. Taking away the blood and four letter words OPTIONALLY would not take away from game play.

Even in history books people were murdered with swords (which we learn in school), the bible has people killing each other, getting drunk, etc, etc... but no cussing...

Edit: **** you, *******, dumb ***, stupid mother****er, ****, etc.... why can we talk in this forum about a game that has killing but we can't use the cuss words? We're all adults here aren't we? Why can't we cuss?

macd23
11-27-07, 04:52 PM
If the game takes place in a setting or environment that would normally have cussing in real life, and the game omits it, then the game is missing something it should have.

brakel
11-27-07, 04:53 PM
...why can we talk in this forum about a game that has killing but we can't use the cuss words? We're all adults here aren't we? Why can't we cuss?

Why would you think everyone here is an adult? I have seen people represent themselves as children on this forum.

ninjachicken
11-27-07, 11:40 PM
DO not buy the game if it has M rating. IF you decide to buy it, its nothing worse than what you see on regular TV anyway, remember its not bad videogames its bad parenting.


QFT! There's no way in hell a "rating" will ever replace responsibilites of good parents.

Cynn
11-28-07, 03:30 AM
Taking away the blood and four letter words OPTIONALLY would not take away from game play.


Removing these things would not make a game with murder appropriate for a child Jerz. If you're going to allow them to murder and destroy then you may as well allow the language used in such situations as well. Your value chain is very twisted up there.

Would you allow your child to watch pornography if the language was clean and the "fluids" were blurred out? I doubt it. It's the "act" that's not appropriate, not the manner in which the act is executed. Murder, like sex is an act not universally approved for children's play.

That's just my opinion though, and it's no better than anyone else's here. I'm not a parent yet, and I don't assume to know how to be better at such than anyone else.

I just find the logic in censorship to be very illogical these days. I say the dog comes with fleas. Some people seem to think the fleas come with a dog...

Jerz
11-28-07, 12:50 PM
Removing these things would not make a game with murder appropriate for a child Jerz.
This is A GAME. Muder isn't appropriate for ANYONE. IS IT? In case you haven't noticed... YOU DON'T ACTUALLY KILL PEOPLE. They respawn and come back each time... Look at space invaders you kill the little green men but they keep coming back it is a GAME.

If you're going to allow them to murder and destroy then you may as well allow the language used in such situations as well.

They (JUST LIKE YOU) are playing a game; they are not murdering or destroying anyone. Sorry but as I said before, just like Elmer Fudd keeps trying to kill bugs bunny in a game you try to kill the bad guy. Same with when kids play cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, army, etc where we used to shoot beebee guns at each other and play dead; no difference execpt no cussing.

Your value chain is very twisted up there.
Please take a look in the mirror.

Would you allow your child to watch pornography if the language was clean and the "fluids" were blurred out?
Nope.

It's the "act" that's not appropriate, not the manner in which the act is executed.
Sorry but I can't remember any kid (me included) acting like they're having sex with each other (a bit demented analogy if you ask me) but I do remember a lot of my friends (me included) playing army, paint ball, smear the queer, cowboys & indians, etc... These games that we played as kids were technically violent and we didn't have any video games; didn't do any cussing either.

Murder, like sex is an act not universally approved for children's play.
MURDER IS NOT UNIVERSALLY APPROVED FOR ANYONE. Sex is universally approved for two consenting adults. THERE IS NO SIMILARITY HERE.

That's just my opinion though,
and certainly very flawed.

I just find the logic in censorship to be very illogical these days.
EXCELLENT... So now you're saying it's OK for a kid to cuss and watch porn but not to play a video game.

I say the dog comes with fleas. Some people seem to think the fleas come with a dog...
I say the dog needs to know what's real and what is virtual... Cussing in a video game is real; something learned with your own mouth and repeated. Shooting the bad guy (that always respawns) with a game controller in a virtual world is not murder.

JohnGZ28
11-28-07, 07:07 PM
Along these lines, there does not appear to be many game choices for kids with the PS3 especially compared to the Wii. Besides Cars, Sonic, and Rat. I don't see anything else for the under 10 age group.

kamspy
11-28-07, 08:47 PM
Many games have the option to turn off the blood/gore

Cynn
11-28-07, 11:58 PM
Wow Jerz. I really feel for your family. Your reply says all it needs to. I'll let those who come across this thread enjoy that little diatribe of yours. This is way too troll to continue as a discussion.

dj4monie
11-29-07, 05:26 AM
I suppose Jerz doesn't like Rap Music either...

But anyway Cynn is correct and if you have an intelligent thought in your head, you would see he is correct.

Save for the war, they don't show that on TV, if they did there would be much more public outcry than there already is.

The whole reason the Ratings even exist on ANY media is because of thinking along those lines, PC out of control. I can't be Black, I have to be African-American, who's idea was that?

Not Mine...

My goodness they just put out Star Wars for the PS3 and there plenty of racing games, action & sports games with no gore or cursing, BUY THOSE.

If your buying ROM then that's on YOU, not the developers to DO YOUR JOB which is POLICE your children.

Like your kids don't curse when your not around anyway....

We were all children once, when we become parents I think we forget that and become OUR parents re-incarnated.

Break that cycle, this isn't 1978 anymore its 2007 almost 2008 and things are ALOT different.

Its more demanding than ever to be a parent but no less rewarding.

JohnGZ28
11-29-07, 05:47 AM
My goodness they just put out Star Wars for the PS3 and there plenty of racing games, action & sports games with no gore or cursing, BUY THOSE.


I think Lego SW is rated 10+ for the PS3.

I'm very happy with the PS3, my point is there are not many games available for that interest my 6 yr old daughter. Hopefully Sony and others will expand on games for the PS3 in this age group. Or I'll just have to spring for a Wii. Which isn't a bad thing. :)

Cynn
11-29-07, 06:41 AM
I think Lego SW is rated 10+ for the PS3.

I'm very happy with the PS3, my point is there are not many games available for that interest my 6 yr old daughter. Hopefully Sony and others will expand on games for the PS3 in this age group. Or I'll just have to spring for a Wii. Which isn't a bad thing. :)

Getting a Wii would be a wonderful idea for your daughter. If not though, why not dip into the PS2 library for her? She's too young to care it's not HD and 7.1. :)

The PS2 had lots of great games for kids and they can be found for pennies on the dollar now.

Conspiracy*
11-29-07, 10:50 AM
This is A GAME. Muder isn't appropriate for ANYONE. IS IT? In case you haven't noticed... YOU DON'T ACTUALLY KILL PEOPLE. They respawn and come back each time... Look at space invaders you kill the little green men but they keep coming back it is a GAME.


They (JUST LIKE YOU) are playing a game; they are not murdering or destroying anyone. Sorry but as I said before, just like Elmer Fudd keeps trying to kill bugs bunny in a game you try to kill the bad guy. Same with when kids play cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, army, etc where we used to shoot beebee guns at each other and play dead; no difference execpt no cussing.


Please take a look in the mirror.


Nope.


Sorry but I can't remember any kid (me included) acting like they're having sex with each other (a bit demented analogy if you ask me) but I do remember a lot of my friends (me included) playing army, paint ball, smear the queer, cowboys & indians, etc... These games that we played as kids were technically violent and we didn't have any video games; didn't do any cussing either.


MURDER IS NOT UNIVERSALLY APPROVED FOR ANYONE. Sex is universally approved for two consenting adults. THERE IS NO SIMILARITY HERE.


and certainly very flawed.


EXCELLENT... So now you're saying it's OK for a kid to cuss and watch porn but not to play a video game.


I say the dog needs to know what's real and what is virtual... Cussing in a video game is real; something learned with your own mouth and repeated. Shooting the bad guy (that always respawns) with a game controller in a virtual world is not murder.


Im a king at twisting other peoples words but damn, that was creative Jerz.

I can see however where you're coming from. I think the only reason you feel that playing a game that depicts murder is a lesser evil than cussing, is because showing violence is more sociallly acceptable right now. Its a fine line that we parents walk. My son has watched me play RFOM and COD4 but isnt allowed to play. He plays lego star wars and jack and daxter but the delivery is quite different on how you "kill" the bad guys. In games where its harder to draw the line between "game" and "real" (COD4 is damn near photorealistic) its a hard call on what he can watch/play.

My son is 3.

Conspiracy*
11-29-07, 10:58 AM
Along these lines, there does not appear to be many game choices for kids with the PS3 especially compared to the Wii. Besides Cars, Sonic, and Rat. I don't see anything else for the under 10 age group.


Q:Whats the difference between a 10+ game and a under 10 game?
A: Parental supervision and education

Leapster makes a good handheld for kids if you want them to play more kiddie educational games. They have games that feature Sonic, Dora, and a lot more mainstream characters as well. My son has one, Im not a huge fan now, but I can remember playing with my educational games and having a blast when I was a kid.

Jerz
11-29-07, 02:09 PM
Im a king at twisting other peoples words but damn, that was creative Jerz.
:D


Its a fine line that we parents walk.
Indeed.


But seriously, I find that games such as Uncharted which has an excellent storyline by mixing non-fiction with fiction and displaying the story visually in a gorgeous setting to me MUCH more than a game depicting murder. In fact, imho even thinking that is a huge discredit to the game. In fact my kid (soon to be ten) was so inspired by the storyline (by watching me play) that he took it upon himself to go to the school library, find a book about Sir Francis Drake, READ IT and create his own storyline by mixing his own fact with fiction. Pretty creative if you ask me... I just hope he doesn't turn it into the teacher with all of the cuss words in it.

I see games such as this for their depth and intrigue not the shallowness of thinking it's simply a game that teaches a kid how to murder, that is definately not what the story is about and the last thing any normal human being would be interested in.

Cheers.

JohnGZ28
11-29-07, 02:10 PM
Q:Whats the difference between a 10+ game and a under 10 game?
A: Parental supervision and education

You're absolutely correct!

My education is "you're not allowed to play games rated 10+" and my supervision is a switch. ;)


Leapster makes a good handheld for kids if you want them to play more kiddie educational games. They have games that feature Sonic, Dora, and a lot more mainstream characters as well. My son has one, Im not a huge fan now, but I can remember playing with my educational games and having a blast when I was a kid.

Have plenty of the Leapster games.

Cynn, I've already had the question "Daddy, why does our TV look so much better than PopPops?" HD honey, we have HD.

Conspiracy*
11-29-07, 02:14 PM
You're absolutely correct!

My education is "you're not allowed to play games rated 10+" and my supervision is a switch. ;)





Its been a while since I heard of using the switch. Do you make them go and get it for you or do you have a good one that you use all the time? My grandma had a willow in the backyard with a seemingly unlimted amount of switches to pick from.

Edit: it just dawned on me that you may be speaking about an electrical switch, if so please disregard the post. If you are indeed talking about the real switch you'll appreciate what Im talking about.

JohnGZ28
11-29-07, 02:30 PM
Its been a while since I heard of using the switch. Do you make them go and get it for you or do you have a good one that you use all the time? My grandma had a willow in the backyard with a seemingly unlimted amount of switches to pick from.

Edit: it just dawned on me that you may be speaking about an electrical switch, if so please disregard the post. If you are indeed talking about the real switch you'll appreciate what Im talking about.

We're on the same page.

dj4monie
11-29-07, 07:51 PM
You're absolutely correct!

My education is "you're not allowed to play games rated 10+" and my supervision is a switch. ;)



Have plenty of the Leapster games.

Cynn, I've already had the question "Daddy, why does our TV look so much better than PopPops?" HD honey, we have HD.

LOL

HD has to be seen to believe for people that haven't seen it and its FUNNY many have bought LCD's and Plasmas wondering what all the fuss was about. I'm talking about the people that bought them without ATSC tuners...

Especially the budget models...

Now that ATSC is pretty much standard, I think the light bulb is coming on.

My mother doesn't seem to think its needed, HA, wait until she sees All My Children in HD.

I wish kids games like Leapster were around back then, I had to deal with Mattel NFL Football -

http://www.aqualion.com/blog/uploaded_images/football-777893.jpg

DaveFi
11-29-07, 07:56 PM
You could just be like Jerry Seinfeld- Date some girl with a classic game collection, ply her with wine, and turkey, and play her games to you heart's delight!!!:D