I made a Blu Ray disc with Scenarist 4.2 , I completed the disc image , manus and all. The disc is fully played smoothly by Panasonic BD10 player but not on my PS3. I burned it on BD-RE and inserted in my PS3, on the PS3 menu it's seen as BDMV but when it starts playing I have the following message:

Invalid disc

Can anyone explain why?

No explanation. Just the way BD has always been in the last year and a half--- Samsung and Pany will play home made disks while Sony and PS3 won't.

It seems to me that there is no point in wasting our time trying to author homemade disks that will play in ALL BD players until some day Sony decides to support homemade disks.

Actually that is one of the advantages advacated by BD supporters that BD movies are going to be much harder to crack and reproduce, and therefore offer much better protection to manufactures and studios.

I can unterstand, but I would like to know why also a dics made with Sonic Scenarist (one of the best authoring softwares) is not accepted by PS3 , which program has been used to author original movie films?Maybe Bluprint? Or simply PS3 cannot play BD-R discs? My disc is recognized as BDMV but not played

This is why I create all my home movies on HD DVD. I can put videos made with my HD camcorder on standard DVD-Rs but in the HD DVD format for pennies a piece. I then share them with family who live on the other side of the country.

I would recommend just streaming HD files to the PS3. Soon it will be Divx compatible too.:)

..... but I would like to know why ..is not accepted by PS3?....

Because Sony does NOT want PS3 or other BD players to do that. It is just as simple as that.

You can send your work to some authorized Sony studios who can produce those commercial BD disks for you.

This is why I create all my home movies on HD DVD. I can put videos made with my HD camcorder on standard DVD-Rs but in the HD DVD format for pennies a piece. I then share them with family who live on the other side of the country.

I would recommend just streaming HD files to the PS3. Soon it will be Divx compatible too.:)

hmmm, that's good to know. I bought a ps3 with the intention of someday making my own blurays. I had no idea that it wouldn't work. But if what you say is true, that is more than a nudge to get me to go format neutral (which I was considering doing in 4th quarter next year, if it isn't over by then).

Because Sony does NOT want PS3 or other BD players to do that

Yes, of course it's so. But I wonder how can PS3 unterstand is not a real commercial BD movie? I think it's not due to the authoring procedure, could it be due to the fact PS3 sees it's a BD-RE? I see displayed the disc is seen as BDMV by PS3, so PS3 should have been able to check its content to say it's BDMV. I think the media is the real problem (and I sincerely hope I'm wrong)

Didn't PS3 used to work with BD-RE discs with older firmware?

I sincerely haven't tested it with BD-RE when I have the old one, but now I0ve the 2.01 and I suppose there's no chance to roll it back

This is why I create all my home movies on HD DVD. I can put videos made with my HD camcorder on standard DVD-Rs but in the HD DVD format for pennies a piece. I then share them with family who live on the other side of the country.

I would recommend just streaming HD files to the PS3. Soon it will be Divx compatible too.:)



just curious how are you doing this?

i understand that dvd/bluray are just media storage formats that hold data.
i been trying to find out how to put hd data on a dvd to be played.

PS3 will play any properly authored BD-R or BD-RE disc. Scenarist can certainly do the job since it is a professional software package. However it has a bug that causes a problem specifically with the PS3. The discs will work in all other players. You may be familiar with the recall of the Chronos discs that didn't play in PS3. This was due to the same problem with Scenarist.
Incorrect. The Chronos problem and the PS3 BD-R/RE playback issue are not related. Chronos was a BCA issue and BD-R/RE playback is an encryption issue.

From what I understand anyone who uses Scenarist has to do some "post-processing" if they want to create a fully compliant BD. I'm not sure what the pros do, but for the rest of us there is a solution that involves modifying the m2ts files after authoring. Unfortunately it requires a little bit of programming skill. You can PM me if you want the details on what it entails.
There's no "post-processing" needed to make Scenarist compliant. Properly setting things before muxing is the key.

Scenarist can make an image for BD-R/RE playback which will playback in the PS3 with one simple modification prior to muxing. How to do so, I can't share unfortunately.

Good lord. Why do you people feel the need to spread so much FUD and flat out lies? If you don't know anything about the topic at hand then don't say anything.

PS3 will play any properly authored BD-R or BD-RE disc. Scenarist can certainly do the job since it is a professional software package. However it has a bug that causes a problem specifically with the PS3. The discs will work in all other players. You may be familiar with the recall of the Chronos discs that didn't play in PS3. This was due to the same problem with Scenarist.

From what I understand anyone who uses Scenarist has to do some "post-processing" if they want to create a fully compliant BD. I'm not sure what the pros do, but for the rest of us there is a solution that involves modifying the m2ts files after authoring. Unfortunately it requires a little bit of programming skill. You can PM me if you want the details on what it entails.


...Scenarist can make an image for BD-R/RE playback which will playback in the PS3 with one simple modification prior to muxing. How to do so, I can't share unfortunately.

If you guys know so much about the process why don't you put out your step-by-step guide on how to author a home made BD disk so that everybody here can repeat your success.

This board has been waiting for somebody to come forward and publish an Official AVS BD Authoring Guide, just like it was done on HDDVD forum. So far we heard a few dozen claims or putdowns from "experts" / "insiders" in the past one and half years but no guide has been forthcoming.

I am openminded about the possibility of home brewing BDMV but I am sick and tired of being told it can be done but no written documentation of a workable process.

What "BD-R/RE playback issue" are you referring to exactly? They all work fine for me. And that includes BDMV format by the way.
If you create a project, mux it, and burn it, the PS3 will tell you it's an invalid disc. If you add a "special" step between creating the project and muxing it, you can burn it and play it on the PS3 flawlessly. This applies to both BDMV and BD-J discs, though BD-J requires another trick.

Right. You are referring to the same Scenarist issue I mentioned, and that the OP asked about? I'm sure other software like Ulead is not affected?
It refers to the original poster's problem. The issue you mentioned with Chronos is an entirely different area.

As long as the other software is consumer level, they should be OK. Once the software moves to the professional level, AACS becomes a factor and there in-lies the problem. I haven't used Ulead's BD software before, so I don't know to what kind of encryption, if any, it is adding.

I made a Blu Ray disc with Scenarist 4.2 , I completed the disc image , manus and all. The disc is fully played smoothly by Panasonic BD10 player but not on my PS3. I burned it on BD-RE and inserted in my PS3, on the PS3 menu it's seen as BDMV but when it starts playing I have the following message:

Invalid disc

Can anyone explain why?

I thought I saw an article a while back that stated that the PS3 was made to not be able to read burnt disks.

I made a Blu Ray disc with Scenarist 4.2 , I completed the disc image , manus and all. The disc is fully played smoothly by Panasonic BD10 player but not on my PS3. I burned it on BD-RE and inserted in my PS3, on the PS3 menu it's seen as BDMV but when it starts playing I have the following message:

Invalid disc

Can anyone explain why?Was it recorded in BDMV mode?

The PS3 used to be able to play those, but there was talk that Sony might be removing that capability in a later firmware update.

My BDP1000 seems to be OK with it, but I haven't used the latest firmware updates.

http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?showtopic=23713

http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?showtopic=25294

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11237686&postcount=1798

There is an entire sticky thread called "My BluRay burning experiences" tons of info and step by steps in there.
Dug

I have followed that thread from day one, and its a sad chonicles of hit or misses in BD authoring.

If there is indeed a rock solid process that works I believe somebody should put it out, even if it has to involve $10k software. I hope we take a little scientific attitude here when it comes to experimenting with a new technique, after all this is a AV Science Forum. Instead of relying on rumors and testimonials we should have a documented process which it will yield the same results by anybody who follows it.

I'll try to put AACS in my disc and if I'll be able to make it playable on PS3 I'll tell here

I thank you very much for your hints and will look in the authoring area for the guide on the program to use to fix M2TS files. ;)

I'm looking for the tool to overwrite the 1st 2 bits ov every packet. In the meanwhile I took a look at the AACS section of the Scenarist manual the 1st time I completely bypassed, and discovered:


1) In the CPS editor there's the region coding setting ; by default it's set on Region A, so all the discs I made were region A, now I set all to Region A,B,C
Anyway Panasonic smoothly played them.

2) In the Disc Layout editor Profile 1.0, 1.1, 2.0 can be chosen. It was set profile 2.0 by default, now I set profile 1.0

3) EPN sets the status of Encryption Plus Non-assertion (could it be BD+ encryption setting?) anyway 0 is for asserted 1 for unasserted and is set to 1 by default

4) The only setting which pointed out my attention is
PMSN = Pre-recorded Media Serial Number this is set by BCA Flag which shows whether or not there is data in the Burst Cutting Area (of course I don't know what this means) but looking at the possible values, these are the meanings:

0x00 [No data exists.] No PMSN.
0x01 [Data exists.] Use PMSN

By default it's set to 0x01, but I don't think I have such data to feed to scenarist, so I'll try to set this to 0x00 and test the result on PS3.

I'm not a professional user, anyway I carefully read all the User guide and these seem the only setting which could be involved in my problem.

wer just Scenarist at my work, and would love to see a guide since I have to get up to speed on it.

From what I can remember eventually ALL BD players inc the PS3 will not be able to play a BDMV disc without AACS if you want to create a home movie you will need to author in BDAV

when can we expect the guide for Scenarist, been playing around with it at work, and can't get these menus working for the life of me.

Also is there any way to do BD9 with Scenarist.

when can we expect the guide for Scenarist

Please be patient, I'm sure benes is doing a really good work, it's worth to wait for his guide to be ready.

In the meanwhile I would point out that I tried putting in Scenarist a file larger than the layer size (larger than 25Gb), of couse it will require a Dual Layer disc. When going to mux the disc I only receive a warning about this, anyway Scenarist will mux it.

I guess if there are original Blu ray movies with files larger than 25Gb.

Maybe the PS3 doesn't support the "manus" you authored;)

The problem iswith AACS, but we don't know which setting exactly is. It doesn't seem to be with Volume uniqe key or ISAn code, anyway it should be something about AACS