View Full Version : Justice League: New Frontier 2/26/08


DaveFi
11-28-07, 01:37 AM
Article (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12473)

Day and date release on all 3 major formats. Things are looking up for animation from Warner. I'm hoping we'll get Death of Superman and some of their other animated titles soon.

Jason One
11-28-07, 02:02 AM
I'm hoping we'll get Death of Superman and some of their other animated titles soon.
Superman: Doomsday is expected to be released on Blu-ray on the same day as New Frontier:

Doomsday for Hi-Def? (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Superman-Animated-Series-Hi-Def-Doomsday/8342)

DaveFi
11-28-07, 02:27 AM
Yes, Superman: Doomsday was what I meant, but no official announcement from what I read there, but it looks hopeful. I know the title didn't get the best of reviews (no spoilers please) but I held off from watching the DVD purposely because of WHV's leaked page with these animated titles listed.

Anyways, anything part of the DC Timm animated universe is always fine with me, and add HD on top of that is just a bonus.

BStecke
11-28-07, 03:09 PM
G Dammit. I had a sneaking suspicion Superman:Doomsday would come out on Blu-ray, but I bought it anyway. It wasn't as good as I expected it to be, but it may be a worthy upgrade. New Frontier is a definitely purchase.

DaveFi
12-20-07, 12:22 PM
Rear Jacket Art (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/dcuam/newfrontier/reviews/dvd/blurayback.jpg) from the Blu-Ray version.

shadowrage
12-20-07, 12:58 PM
No way. That has got to be fake. First off Warner doing lossless for an animated film. Yeah right. Second-Warner doing lossless for a BD, highly unlikely.

I already have this on preorder.:)
There's a trailer on ign if anyone is interested.

Now if they would release that Dark Knight animated prequel in HD.
I'm just happy to get some WB animation. If it does actually have TrueHD I will freak.

wmaangel
12-23-07, 12:17 AM
No way. That has got to be fake. First off Warner doing lossless for an animated film. Yeah right. Second-Warner doing lossless for a BD, highly unlikely.


Why? Warner just released all five Harry Potter films with lossless PCM soundtracks, plus all five newly released Kubrick films have PCM soundtracks as well? Not to mention The Departed has lossless PCM, Blade Runner has TrueHD, and 300 has both a PCM and a TrueHD track on it??

While they may have given Blu-ray the short end of the stick earlier on (with titles like Superman Returns and Happy Feet not getting lossless tracks like their HD DVD counterparts), Warner has been pretty much equal lately in their treatment of both formats and lossless audio...

shadowrage
12-23-07, 02:04 AM
Why? Warner just released all five Harry Potter films with lossless PCM soundtracks, plus all five newly released Kubrick films have PCM soundtracks as well? Not to mention The Departed has lossless PCM, Blade Runner has TrueHD, and 300 has both a PCM and a TrueHD track on it??



Except for Blood Diamond I think you mentioned every Warner BD title that doesnt use DD640.

Hell they're even stingy with 1080p(T3).
You cant tell me Warner doesn't constantly snub and shaft BD?

I already pre-ordered this BTW.

Isnt the series broadcast in Widescreen? I would pick that up on BD too.

DaveFi
12-23-07, 11:10 AM
This is a DTV movie and has nothing to do with any of the broadcast series (Other than the fact it's a Bruce Timm DCU production). The HD-DVD releases will also have a lossless audio track, so it seems to be unlikely they'll change at this late date.

My concern now is that Superman: Doomsday was supposed to be released the same day yet is nowhere to be seen.

methos75
02-25-08, 09:40 PM
??

shadowrage
02-25-08, 11:59 PM
Whoa. Warner actually released this in 1080p and it really does have a TrueHD track.:):)

I only thumbed through it a little. But the colors are awesome, the bold reds and blues look fantastic and the black of the line-work is black black. It really pops. I dont know if it looks more 3D than Scanner, but it is super sharp.

The voices come across crysal clear with the TrueHD. With the 640 it sounds like they recorded it in a booth(they did). The low end doesnt seem to go as low as it should. But then again I think Sunshine has just the right amount of bass.

The music sounds much more rich with the TrueHD as well. And you can hear each individual sound effect. Like metal rattling, glass breaking, alarms and explosions. And it does use the surrounds.

There are 3 bonus episodes, they look muddy and all around terrible compared to the HD movie. And there's all sorts of jaggies. And the sound is broadcast quality.

Now if Warner would just release every film with TrueHD. This is a good disk though.
I wasnt using a PJ for this. But it would probably benefit since it has a sense of large scale. And I just found out Warner is releasing the Dark Knight anime in HD. Between these two things and the Ben-hur announcement I'm finding it harder to be upset with them. To top things of the 640 sound on Jesse James(it definently looks like a BD) and Michael Clayton do not sound horrible.

Chad Ferguson
02-26-08, 12:23 AM
Just curious is this the first movie or was there others before this?

methos75
02-26-08, 12:26 AM
There are a few on DVD, but they have no relation to this movie which is a standalone title. It takes place in the 60's, between the Silver and Golden age of comics.

Blasst
02-26-08, 01:16 AM
Shadowrage just posted a review on DaveFi's original thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=946360

Blasst
02-26-08, 01:18 AM
No way. That has got to be fake. First off Warner doing lossless for an animated film. Yeah right. Second-Warner doing lossless for a BD, highly unlikely.

I already have this on preorder.:)
There's a trailer on ign if anyone is interested.

Now if they would release that Dark Knight animated prequel in HD.
I'm just happy to get some WB animation. If it does actually have TrueHD I will freak.

Nice to see you man up on this title getting TrueHD shadowrage;)

Are you using a PJ?

Thanks for the review.

hd James hd
02-26-08, 01:35 AM
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/node/35478

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methos75
02-26-08, 01:46 AM
Thanks, with this and Beowulf on HD-DVD, I'll be in HD geek heaven tomorrow night.

joerod
02-26-08, 12:14 PM
Can't wait! Wonder Woman in HD! :eek:

Phantom Stranger
02-26-08, 07:18 PM
Wonder Woman doesn't have that big of a role in the movie. The main feature looks great. What is interesting is the three bonus episodes included from the Justice League tv show are not direct rips from the respective dvds but new encodes with VC-1. I don't know what happened but they look hideous on the BD compared to my original dvd versions of the episodes. The main feature is very well done and anyone on the fence should pick this up. The animation seems to be of a higher quality than normally used on these direct to video features.

Samfield
02-26-08, 08:32 PM
Great news from some of the early reviews. This coupled with the annoucement of "Gotham Knight" made my day. (Love to see the MTV Spiderman series brought to Blu-ray...it looks great on upconverted SD-DVD.)

TonyDP
02-26-08, 08:44 PM
I picked up the BluRay version today. The story is greatly simplified from Darwyn Cooke's comic of the same name and many of the subplots have been reduced to quick panels or news stories that appear in the background. In spite of that however, the show is really well paced, retains the look and spirit of the book and all the main JLA heroes have their moment to shine. The animation style is very reminiscent of the classic Bruce Timm/Paul Dini shows with a heavy slant towards Cooke's art style from the books and many of the scenes look like they literally jumped off the page. Kudos should be given to the animation team for staying so true to the book. The voice acting is uniformly superb on this one, especially Jeremy Sisto as Batman (who's delivery rivals even Kevin Conroy) and Kyle MacLachlan as Superman. The video is very sharp, crisp and vibrant. The extras are in 480p/480i and if nothing else really show what a difference 1080p makes, even on an animated show.

I enjoyed this one quite a bit, far moreso than the recent Superman/Doomsday DVD and any comics fans should definitely check it out. The extra $5 for going Blu was also definitely worth it.

mchamblissII
02-26-08, 09:43 PM
now on the PQ would the people who have this movie rate it as high as the Simpsons movie?

magicconch
02-26-08, 10:11 PM
now on the PQ would the people who have this movie rate it as high as the Simpsons movie?


I thought the PQ surpassed Simpsons movie

methos75
02-26-08, 10:40 PM
I have to say the PQ is slightly better than the Simpsons also. As to the film, its ok but I think I perfer JLA Unlimited too it.

Padriac
02-27-08, 02:22 AM
Okay, anybody saying the PQ is better than the Simpsons movie is on crack :)

New Frontier looks great, but the Simpsons was obviously done digitally with lots of color and gradients and sharpness resulting from that. New Frontier looks more like "really clean hand drawn", but lacks the same vibrancy and sharpness as a result. While the Simpsons looked very obviously better than the what you see on TV, New Frontier essentially looks like an enhanced episode of the Justice League TV show (which it essentially is)

(note: I'm not talking art style or direction, just technical things like color palette and detail).

shadowrage
02-27-08, 02:29 AM
Okay, anybody saying the PQ is better than the Simpsons movie is on crack :)



I agree to a point. The being on crack thing is where I draw the line.
Justice League looks awesome. It just cant compete with the production values of The Simpsons. Fox spent a ton of money on that thing. Hell Hans Zimmer did the score for the damn thing.

Personally I like the colors a lot more on Justice League, but that's probably due to the pallet(artistic) more than anything. They just look better in HD.

bassmonkeee
02-27-08, 07:14 AM
My wife and I watched it last night. It had a good story, and I thought it looked really nice. But, I think The Simpsons looked "better." Which, considering the budget differences, only makes perfect sense, really.

I really enjoyed the art style.

So far, I'm very impressed with Warner Premiere. I'm definitely looking forward to Gotham Knight.

BrandonJF
02-27-08, 08:51 AM
New Frontier essentially looks like an enhanced episode of the Justice League TV show (which it essentially is)



How is that? It has zero in common with the Justice League tv show, beyond sharing some of the characters. It doesn't look anything like the Justice League tv show.

acegamer
02-27-08, 10:22 AM
I really want this but I'm not sure that I can justify spending $30 on the Blu-ray version when Best Buy has the DVD version for $13 on sale. I just can't imagine the animation looking THAT much better in high definition. Has anyone seen both versions?

DaveFi
02-27-08, 11:03 AM
I really want this but I'm not sure that I can justify spending $30 on the Blu-ray version when Best Buy has the DVD version for $13 on sale. I just can't imagine the animation looking THAT much better in high definition. Has anyone seen both versions?For starters you are talking 480p vs 1080p and that's a huge difference, plus the BD version has lossless sound.

q3131a
02-27-08, 11:08 AM
I watched this last night. The movie was well done, but certainly deserves the PG-13 rating. I was watching it with my 6 year old and made him go to bed. After watching the whole feature, it is NOT for young children.

TonyDP
02-27-08, 12:07 PM
I really want this but I'm not sure that I can justify spending $30 on the Blu-ray version when Best Buy has the DVD version for $13 on sale. I just can't imagine the animation looking THAT much better in high definition. Has anyone seen both versions?

Even though it's an animated movie, BluRay makes a huge difference. The extras on the BluRay disc are in 480p; there are some snippets from the movie interspersed therein and the difference in picture quality between them and the same scenes in the 1080p feature is just startling. Definitely worth the extra money in my opinion.

acegamer
02-27-08, 12:17 PM
Even though it's an animated movie, BluRay makes a huge difference. The extras on the BluRay disc are in 480p; there are some snippets from the movie interspersed therein and the difference in picture quality between them and the same scenes in the 1080p feature is just startling. Definitely worth the extra money in my opinion.

thanks! :)

DaveFi
02-27-08, 12:24 PM
Yeah, people still think animation can't take advantage of HD for some reason, and that can't be farther from the truth.

mpgxsvcd
02-27-08, 02:02 PM
I watched this last night. The movie was well done, but certainly deserves the PG-13 rating. I was watching it with my 6 year old and made him go to bed. After watching the whole feature, it is NOT for young children.

Thanks for the heads up on that. I rented this for my 4 year old son and just realized it was PG-13! Back it goes!

I also had trouble with it on my computer. Apparently the new BD+ scheme does not work well with computers.

tw1zt3d
02-27-08, 02:48 PM
after watching it last night, all i can say is, this is how doomsday should have been done. JL had a nice deliberate pace that you couuld settle down into, i wish it had been longer...to me, the only character that seemed out of place was wonder woman, even J'ONN had a bit more of a back story, although it would have been funny if they had thrown his obsession with oreos into the background...

MikeLindsey
02-27-08, 04:55 PM
I watched this last night. The movie was well done, but certainly deserves the PG-13 rating. I was watching it with my 6 year old and made him go to bed. After watching the whole feature, it is NOT for young children.

Thanks again for this info. I was hoping to pick this up for my son, but I'll wait a few years.

HDphile22
02-27-08, 05:47 PM
With just ONLY $20.95? on Amazon Almost the SAME price as the 2-disc DVD version, and it has all the 2-disc contents, I say WHY BUY the DVD version when you can get better image for like the SAME price?

Phantom Stranger
02-27-08, 06:56 PM
This disc looks very good but it is no where near as good looking as the Simpsons Movie Blu-ray. That is a Tier 0 reference disc with AVC being encoded at 35-40 Mbps for most of the movie. JL: New Frontier would probably be a low to middle Tier 1 ranking for picture quality. It's a VC-1 encode that stays in the teens for the entire movie. It's not flawless but it is a very nice looking BD, mostly due to the fact that the source material is so clean.

mchamblissII
02-27-08, 10:40 PM
I have to say the PQ is slightly better than the Simpsons also. As to the film, its ok but I think I perfer JLA Unlimited too it.

I thought the PQ surpassed Simpsons movie

I just saw the movie. I thought the PQ and AQ was great, but IMO I think the Simpsons movie do look a tad bit better but overall excellent. I just hope they convert the whole JLA seasons into blu-ray and have the PQ and AQ look on par or better then this movie. At first, I didn't want to get this movie because I didn't like the art work because i'm sooo use to the JLA unlimited art but after watching it I can say it was good movie. I just wish they had the original voices from the tv show that played Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman in the movie.

DaveFi
02-28-08, 12:36 AM
Apples and oranges. The Simpsons Movie had a relatively large multimillion dollar budget, while this was always planned as a straight-to-video production.

hd James hd
02-28-08, 01:17 AM
With 25% off code FBBM8 for February
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Circuit City online is $19.99, free shipping if over $24.

DaveFi
02-28-08, 09:21 AM
Yes. Please forget Warner Home Video. They suck.

Caveat Emptor.

ragar01
03-03-08, 09:36 PM
I watched this last night. I was in comic geek heaven. I will be giving this disc repeat viewings with the pause button handy. I can't wait now for the Batman disc coming later this year Batman meets anime...

Gary (a Justice League fan since the mid 1960s)

CoasterGeorge
03-03-08, 10:11 PM
Rented from Netflix and its awesome.

Never read the graphic novel but heard about it, story is great - love the classic artwork and tone of it.

PQ is close to the Simpsons, just a smidge beneath it. TrueHD soundtrack is very nice as well!

Definitely worth renting if your like me and 1-2 viewings is enough, definitely worth buying if your a big comics fan.

lgans316
03-03-08, 10:22 PM
Review is here.

http://avplay.avforums.com/index.php?showtitlereview=9227

thorthefifth
03-04-08, 06:00 PM
Awesome movie. Definitely not for the young ones. Great PQ and AQ. Impressed overall. I do hope they release Superman: Doomsday on BD soon.

DaveFi
03-04-08, 07:06 PM
I don't know what happened to Superman: Doomsday. Supposedly they were supposed to do the BD release on the same day as New Frontier but it all but dissapeared.

thorthefifth
03-04-08, 08:19 PM
I know I heard a while back that they were being released on the same day. Haven't seen anything lately though. I might check to see what I can find.

BStecke
03-05-08, 01:05 AM
As far as pricing goes, Circuit City has this online for $19.99 . . . I got it price matched at Best Buy. Well worth it, IMO.

Elbie
04-08-08, 02:26 PM
I watched this and I just noticed that it was brighter and stood out a little. I'd have to see the DVD to compare.