Here are some details on the new budget minded Optoma HD65. First it's very small, can fit in the palm of your hand, well almost. Weight is around 4lbs. But this little projector is a power house of brightness and features.

How bright, set in Cinema it's tuned well OTB for Film, it measured a high 18ft-candles which is around 600lumens on a 106" 1.0 diag screen, this is econo mode also. Bright mode adds 20% more light. Not so much light you say :) that is plenty for HT. Now the magic, put the projector in Bright video choice the Ft-candles measurement goes sky high to 38ftc, that's 1300lumens and in econo, add 20% in bright mode you get 1600lumens there abouts. Very close to spec. The best part about these choices is they're both tuned well and produce an excellent grayscale.

The HD65 uses a new colorwheel with RGB/CYM instead of typical RGB/RGB. It uses this in conjunction with Brilliant Color II from Ti. BC II with this color wheel produces high brightness while keeping the colors natural, specially flesh tones which was a slight problem with BC1.

One new feature Optoma is very keen on is it's (Super-wide) aspect choice. This is a feature designed for a budget constant height setup without having to buy a lens that's costs way more than the projector. Any 2.35 aspect movie when using Super-wide auto will be picked up by the projector and automatically set to delete the 2.35 black bars. What I did was use auto detect and then 1% overscan plus I raised the image with vertical shift. Since I have a electric screen I could just raise up the bottom to match the video area and bam now all my 2.35 movies will fill the screen with a larger scope type image, no bars. The good part is it does this without a drastic change in resolution, the image stays sharp.
Owners with fixed screen could figure some type of small mask to mask out the top or bottom or the now 2.01 screen setup.

On to some pictures, some with the Super-Wide enabled.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd651.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/hd652.jpg

DVD shots done thru a Tosh HDA1 upscaled to 1080i.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd651.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd652.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd653.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd654.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd655.jpg

http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd656.jpg
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd65nobars1.jpg

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Standard DVD shot with a question, who are those people?
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/optomahd65whosthat.jpg

Any questions I'll try to get answers, thanks for looking.

Edit: I also should add Optoma's Top Guy in Taiwan Tzungilin told me there's another new projector they have which is considered a presentation model but is actually tuned and setup for Home Theater. It uses the same color wheel and has Brillant Color II just like the HD65. But it has a much higher lumen rating 2500lumens. It start price is $999 - there's the stats.
http://www.optomausa.com/Product_detail.asp?productsubcat=1&productcategory=Consumer+Data&product_id=339

Edit: Here are some numbers that might look good for your HD65 if not just use your calibration DVD or THX optimizer to get the brightness/contrast and colors fine tuned.


"First off zero brilliant color, zero True Vivid, and using PC gamma which came closer to 2.2reference gamma.

HDMI/720p
Cinema
contrast -7
Brightness -6
Color 10
Tinit 0
Sharpness 0

Advanced Degamma PC
BC 0
TV 0
CT warm
AI off

RGB gains/bias
RG 0
GG -5
BG -7
RB -1
GB -1
BB 0"

Tom,

None of the picture links are working... :(

Thanks for the updated info also.

Troy

Yeah sorry had a technical problem, my server company had me tapped out on picture level. Problem is I hit delete and deleted all my pictures for past threads not really a big problem the new ones are working now. enjoy

On/off and ANSI CR?

CCT in Cinema mode?

DK for know only the brightness stats, probably between 2000.1 to 3000.1, doubt if you'll see mfg stat of 4000.1. But the lumens are there for sure. I have it running right now in 1600lumen mode with a 49er's HD game going in full daylight. You can watch the picture it's so bright yet colors arent' washed out.

So, if you can measure 100IRE, why not measure 0 and give us the CR?

49ers...didn't realize you were a masochist. ;)

I can run that test with colorfacts but it has to be pitch black outside. Haven't even grayscale tuned it yet because it looks good right now. Actually matches my H79 which is grayscale tuned, matches colorwise. Looks like the niners wins this one. :)

Hi Tom

I am a little confused about the super-wide feature. Is this some internal masking mechanism (that just covers up the near-black bars top and bottom) or does it do something more clever, such as an internal anamoprhic lens to do horizontal stretch (to do a sort of constant height)?

Regards
John

It stretches the image to larger up and out a bit but it does this without softening an image. The cool part is when in auto it remembers and anytime you send a 2.35 image it goes into action. Send it a 1.85 and nothing happens. Thats with component or HDMI. Tzungilin said something about it adding resolution like 100pixels or so. I'll see if I can't get a clearer explanation about part.

Here I'll quote my friend in Taiwan so members can understand Super-Wide better.


"5. Super Wide is default at Off. To activate it, select Auto, then set the Zoom feature to 1. HD65 will then automatically detects the content, if 16x9, it masks off top and bottom 5% to show the "action safe" area with a near 2.0:1 ratio. If 2.35 content, it takes the 2.0:1 portion of the 2.35 and fill the 1280x640 area, so we get 100-lines more of vertical resolution than a plain 2.35:1 image (1280x544). So now we have "constant height" and "constant width" for both 16x9 and 2.35:1 movies. So the average consumer will no longer be confused as to why some movies fill the screen, and some movie has black bars at top/bottom.

6. The 2.0:1 provides a good wide viewing vista for more Cinemascope feeling without expensive 16x9 lens. With <$999, consumer gets a "budget minded CHT".

Super Wide works well, especially, with 1080i source, where 100-lines more resolution is used to interpret the 1080i/p contents.

It's best to use a 2.0:1 screen to mask out the unused pixels to enjoy the 2.0:1 Cinemascope feeling.

If user don't like it, they can always disable that, and HD65 performs like any 720p 16x9 projector does."

wow, these new projectors are pretty nice. cant wait to see the review for the EP1691.

so is the HD65 better than HD70 overall? cuz price point wise is very similar.

The coloring looks better to me, plus 1600 lumens can wear the paint off your screen.

so would you suggest getting the hd65 or just going with the hd70 for cheaper. Is the extra cost for the hd65 really worth it at this time?

Tom,

I'm interested in some more details on the HD71, can you shed some light?

Thanks.

so would you suggest getting the hd65 or just going with the hd70 for cheaper. Is the extra cost for the hd65 really worth it at this time?

You could be happy with a $500 HD70, if they were both the same price I'd pick the HD65.

Here I'll quote my friend in Taiwan so members can understand Super-Wide better.


"5. Super Wide is default at Off. To activate it, select Auto, then set the Zoom feature to 1. HD65 will then automatically detects the content, if 16x9, it masks off top and bottom 5% to show the "action safe" area with a near 2.0:1 ratio. If 2.35 content, it takes the 2.0:1 portion of the 2.35 and fill the 1280x640 area, so we get 100-lines more of vertical resolution than a plain 2.35:1 image (1280x544). So now we have "constant height" and "constant width" for both 16x9 and 2.35:1 movies. So the average consumer will no longer be confused as to why some movies fill the screen, and some movie has black bars at top/bottom.

6. The 2.0:1 provides a good wide viewing vista for more Cinemascope feeling without expensive 16x9 lens. With <$999, consumer gets a "budget minded CHT".

Super Wide works well, especially, with 1080i source, where 100-lines more resolution is used to interpret the 1080i/p contents.

It's best to use a 2.0:1 screen to mask out the unused pixels to enjoy the 2.0:1 Cinemascope feeling.

If user don't like it, they can always disable that, and HD65 performs like any 720p 16x9 projector does."



So it sound like it is creating a larger overscan on both hight and width. So the end result is less info when it comes to width, but more vertical resolution.

Questions:

Color wheel speed?
RBE effect?
Lens offset?
Lense calculator?
Quality of lens (any pincushion like the now infamous Marantz 4001 / Sharp XVZ3001)
Noise?
Heat?
Scaling quality?
Deinterlacing quality?
Who makes the chipset?
Is it 8, 10, or 12 bit color processing on the HDMI or analog?

So it sound like it is creating a larger overscan on both hight and width. So the end result is less info when it comes to width, but more vertical resolution.

I read Optoma will be selling 2.01 screens to match up with this feature. Nothing on the website yet about the screens or tech setup stats about the projector. I'd expect them soon.

So it sound like it is creating a larger overscan on both hight and width. So the end result is less info when it comes to width, but more vertical resolution.

THere are 5% "action safe" and 10% "title safe" in the traditional film/video creation, so that TV can overscan between 5-10% to cut off boundary noises or issues. So film makers always keep the vital information within the safe area to make sure the overscan cuts off non-important info.

HD65 uses this principle to achieve the "Constant Height, constant width" idea.

For 16x9 content, 5% top and bottom are masked to create a near 1280x640 2.0:1 image. So the image shown in this 2.0:1 ratio preserves the safe area information.

For 2.35:1 content, we cut off side info of the 2.35:1, to get the center-portion 2.0:1 image. The top/bottom of the 2.35 image are intact, while the sides have to cut off 7% each, slightly more than 5%, but the image still looks relatively wide. In fact, if one uses a HD CRT TV, one can measure the 2.35:1 content on the screen, it's much less than 2.35:1, most like 2.1:1 or less.

If a 2.0:1 screen is used, user will not see the "masked area", thus creating what Guitarman calls it "budget-minded Constant Height Theater" for 16x9 and 2.35:1 movies. If a 2.0:1 screen is not easily found, a product like Screen Goos or their new product Goos Toob can be used to create a 2.0:1 aspect ratio screen in DIY fashion.

If one does not like it, and would like to preserve all the info, simply disables this Super Wide on the OSD, then HD65 performs just like any 16x9 720p projector.

THe idea where it came from is that I helped my sister to install a H31 in her house, shooting out 120" image 2, 3 years ago. She enjoys it quite a lot, and feel her 50" PDP is too small now. :) But she constantly called me complaining that why some movies fill the screen, while some have top and bottom "black bars", is there something wrong with her projector, and so on. And she does not like the "black bars" citing inerfering her watching the movies. And I can't tell her that she needs to spend over $1000 to get a decent 16x9 lens, so I came up with the idea so that future entry 720p owners can enjoy the Constant height movie experiences easily.

Definetly a worthy feature for setup. Electric screen users can jump right in because they can vary the screen height by increments. Plus there should be 2.01 screens available in the near future. Optoma should add this option to other new projectors also. Not everybody likes the lenses, they do come with their hardships. This is the first time I've seen any mfg. come up with this idea, nice work.

Lin.

Thanks for the info. Is there a place I can download HD65 manual? I'd like to read more about it. Can't find any manual download on Optoma site.

Specifically, I'd like to know the offset and zoom range of HD65. Thanks.

Glad to know someone here who's also from Taiwan.

Yuck. This is as bad as pan and scan. I'd prefer not to crop my movies.

I use to think like that till I saw how well the resolution stays with the superwide activated. Takes all the 2.35 movies and makes them larger than life. Looks good to me and I really don't miss the small percent on the outfields of widescreen video. The larger view makes the bigger difference for a full cinema effect.

Pairing this projector with a DIY 2.01 screen sounds like a pretty darn sweet CIH setup for a good price.

Yuck. This is as bad as pan and scan. I'd prefer not to crop my movies.

I thought I was the only one...

Let's just crop off the sides of the Mona Lisa to make it fit our wall we have to hang it on. It's ok, we won't miss those parts, as long we as have her face.

The amount of thought that goes into these things is so great and the intention so deliberate that it makes it disrespectful to the authors of these works that we think this kind of thing is ok to do.

I'd love an HD65 with it's small form factor and brighter lamp, but I just picked up an HD70 at an amazing clearance price. It would be especially good if the HD65's color is better than the 70's...I'm sure it's known that the 70's color is pretty out of whack and difficult to calibrate esp. wrt green.

"Yuck. This is as bad as pan and scan. I'd prefer not to crop my movies.

I thought I was the only one..."

No problemo, disable superwide and stick with 2.35 bars if that's your preference. I just think it's cool to have the new option, you should see it work, pretty neat.

The 2:1 aspect ration option sounds perfect for my outdoor screen. The summer before last my wife and I built a 12' wide outdoor screen out of plywood and 4 x 4s. I chose to make it a 2:1 aspect ratio simply because of the size of the plywood sheets. And it was sort of a compromise between 1.85 and 2.35 movies; the bad part being that you have small bars with both types of films, but only small ones. Wow, I can't believe someone is actually releasing a projector that matches my outdoor screen perfectly. And with lumens to spare for those of us with huge screens.

Yuck. This is as bad as pan and scan. I'd prefer not to crop my movies.

We had that covered in the design.

HD65 Super wide feature is default to be OFF, which means HD65 preserves all the info as you wish.

But with the feature available for your control, one can play around with it and see if they like it.

To have one "free" feature for those Constant-Height-minded folks, why not? :) It's like an "invislbe moveable 16x9 lens" ... If you don't want it, don't activate it. Simple.

Thanks for the info guys. I plan on getting this as soon as it releases in Canada. The HD 70 is still over a grand up here. Plus no rebates.

If this costs about the same or even a bit more it should be a great deal. I am looking forward to trying out the Superwide feature. I'll gladly give up a small bit of picture info on the sides in order to fill my screen.

Any confirmed dates for when the HD65 will begin shipping?

Jason

I'm all for CIH, but think if you are going that way it should be 2.35 CIH. As it is your 2.01 screen will still have black bars for 4:3 material as I suspect cropping or stretching that will be more problematic.

So my main disappointment is that you didn't go far enough. Like a permanent anamorphic lens.

Tom.

Did you test with Hd Dvd or Blue Ray palyers?

What are the most importants diferences to H31?

Thanks

Fyi...

I'm all for CIH, but think if you are going that way it should be 2.35 CIH. As it is your 2.01 screen will still have black bars for 4:3 material as I suspect cropping or stretching that will be more problematic.

So my main disappointment is that you didn't go far enough. Like a permanent anamorphic lens.

how can you be disappointed when a projector in the less than $1000 price range didn't come with a permanent anamorphic lens. Thats like someone being disappointed when their new $10,000 minivan doesn't have 600hp and a 20'' plasma in the back.

Atleast the guy made a push for something that might please some people. Its better than nothing but another projector with the same features.

I don't expect an anamorphic lens for under $1000.

I just don't see how anyone, certainly anyone on this forum, can show excitement over a feature that will distort the image of everything you play through it.

I dont know if i would say it distorts it. It cuts a small % off but according Guitarman it doesnt compromise quality of the image.

Actually you get 100 pixels more in vertical res, even before I knew this I commented it does the full screen but doesn't soften the image which is different. Now I know why. Correct just 5% of the far outside isn't anything to fret about. Seeing the image larger without the bars out weighs that IMO. I'm not saying you can't feel for the 5% we all have that right. :)

Tom.

Did you test with Hd Dvd or Blue Ray palyers?

What are the most importants diferences to H31?

Thanks

I still have and use the first Tosh HDA1 and the projector handled it great, also Cable HDTV.

This projector looks cool, mostly because of its tiny size.
The only things that bother me (just on paper without ever trying it of course) are the noise levels and the design.

It's pretty quiet in econo.

Does anybody know if the HD65 supports "deep color"? I'm in the market for a new projector. My receiver and BD player are both deep color capable. It would be really sweet if my new projector had that technology as well.

Looks like the offset if I read it right will work for me where the HD70 which I have and not opened it yet would have been tough. If I read the Optoma manual right its only 10" for a 110" screen.

Does anybody know if the HD65 supports "deep color"? I'm in the market for a new projector. My receiver and BD player are both deep color capable. It would be really sweet if my new projector had that technology as well.So...I see you've been taken in by the latest marketing blitz? ;)

Even the best DLPs have relatively pedestrian bit depth, so I doubt you'll see much (if any) improvement from the much-ballyhooed "deep color."

Just when you think manufacturers throw in the towel on 720p, here comes Optoma again. Some nice innovations. Thanks for posting, Tom.

Tom,

Are the HDMI inputs 1.3a? Nothing in the preliminary specs stating.

Thanks.

Troy

Probably the later 1.3 I'll ask. I see they say 95% uniformity in the stats, they were telling me the lens choice for the projector is excellent. Looks small to me but I guess it's all in the glass. Pictures do look nice and sharp.

Tom,

is there a way to link the super wide pics again? they're down on your first post.

Link to manual:
http://marketing.optomausa.com/PDFs/usermanuals/Optoma_HD65_Manual.PDF

Page 45 of the manual has a chart that indicates 1080p 60/50/24

http://www.optomausa.com/Product_detail.asp?productsubcat=3&productcategory=Home+Theater&product_id=341#
Under The "features" section it states it is HDMI 1.3 compatable

Thanks for the manual file link. If I calculate it right, the offset is about 19% of screen height. That's compared to 40% in HD70. Pretty neat.

In the Specs Datasheet, there is 1.78:1 AR mentioned besides the already 16:9 native. Shouldn't the 1.78:1 been 2.0:1 because of the new Super-wide feature? is it a typo or am I missing something here?

I am a bit surprised the HD65 is not getting more attention! Given the following that the HD70 has I thought this would be a hit on this forum. Well maybe I will just have to get one and see how it measures up.

edit:
Looks like it is up on projector central - http://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-HD65.htm

2nd edit:
There is conflicting info on the warranty. I see it listed on several sites as having 2 year warranty's but on Optima's it is listed as 1.

Tom,

is there a way to link the super wide pics again? they're down on your first post.

Look for nobar in the links the first two phots have been fixed now, thx

We had that covered in the design.

HD65 Super wide feature is default to be OFF, which means HD65 preserves all the info as you wish.

But with the feature available for your control, one can play around with it and see if they like it.

To have one "free" feature for those Constant-Height-minded folks, why not? :) It's like an "invislbe moveable 16x9 lens" ... If you don't want it, don't activate it. Simple.


Great idea, even though you'll find a lot of "flak" from us AVSers.

Not everyone is as picky as us.:D

Will this idea be applied towards one of your 1080P projectors?

Tom, maybe you know?

How do you think this would compare to the Mitsubishi HC1500/Hd1000u? I have the HC1500 ("upgraded" from the Optoma H56) and a 138" diag screen, and have not been happy with the hc1500, in fact I've gotten frustrated trying to get good black levels and haven't watched a movie on it in about a month. Bright/daytime scenes are great but the Dark scenes are very distracting, I've tweaked with AVIA and messed around with HTPC settings and just can't get the picture that I got with the H56. I always watch movies with the lights off, black ceilings and dark walls, etc. so I am looking for the best picture with good black detail. So, do you think it would be worth it to sell the Mits and try this one out? I like the idea of the superwide option, I have a masking panel that I put up on the bottom of the screen, and if I understand you correctly, I can shift the picture up or down from the projector and mask that way instead of having to rely on theatertek to move the picture up and down. I respect your opinion Tom, you were one of the voices that led me to the H56 which was a terrific projector that I would have kept but I wanted to upgrade to a widescreen projector. Anyhoo, Please let me know your thoughts, thanks!

If this will be a step down from the mitsubishi, anyone have a suggestion of another 720p dlp that will give noticeably better black levels? I had thought about the hd3000u, the only reason I got the hc1500 instead of the hd3000 is because I thought the extra lumens might help with the large screen and the 1280x768 res confused me.

How do you think this would compare to the Mitsubishi HC1500/Hd1000u? I have the HC1500 ("upgraded" from the Optoma H56) and a 138" diag screen, and have not been happy with the hc1500, in fact I've gotten frustrated trying to get good black levels and haven't watched a movie on it in about a month. Bright/daytime scenes are great but the Dark scenes are very distracting, I've tweaked with AVIA and messed around with HTPC settings and just can't get the picture that I got with the H56. I always watch movies with the lights off, black ceilings and dark walls, etc. so I am looking for the best picture with good black detail. So, do you think it would be worth it to sell the Mits and try this one out? I like the idea of the superwide option, I have a masking panel that I put up on the bottom of the screen, and if I understand you correctly, I can shift the picture up or down from the projector and mask that way instead of having to rely on theatertek to move the picture up and down. I respect your opinion Tom, you were one of the voices that led me to the H56 which was a terrific projector that I would have kept but I wanted to upgrade to a widescreen projector. Anyhoo, Please let me know your thoughts, thanks!

If this will be a step down from the mitsubishi, anyone have a suggestion of another 720p dlp that will give noticeably better black levels? I had thought about the hd3000u, the only reason I got the hc1500 instead of the hd3000 is because I thought the extra lumens might help with the large screen and the 1280x768 res confused me.
If you dont mind tinkering, you can black out the white section on the mits. colorwheel. It should definately improve your blacks, and Im sure others would like to see what kind of improvement you get. I thought about getting the 1500 also, but after reading about people complain about black levels Ill stick to buying something without a white sec on the wheel.

I've heard about that, but I'm not brave enough to do that to a new machine :)

thx Tom,

looks good...

OK I bit the bullet... I should have it on Wednesday. Nice price from one of the forum sponsors. I will report back my initial impressions and get together a detailed report later in the week/weekend. I have a spider and HCFR to do some basic calibration and greyscale measurements.

TzungILin,
What made you decide to price the HD70 so agressively when it came out? Starting the 720p DLP for below $1000 craze really benefited many users on this forum including myself. Thanks!

If you dont mind tinkering, you can black out the white section on the mits. colorwheel. It should definately improve your blacks, and Im sure others would like to see what kind of improvement you get. I thought about getting the 1500 also, but after reading about people complain about black levels Ill stick to buying something without a white sec on the wheel.

Yea me too, I know I don't want a white seg on the wheel and theres nothing out there thats RGB/RGB 720P and in the $750 range like the current budget PJ's. I hoped something would appear buy now either a IN72 with a 720P DMD or something. I guess there are just catering to the Video Game market that will be played during the daytime and don't really care about tweaking for D65 and a HT set up. I see there is some choice but I don't want to pay $1,300 with 1080p around the corrner and under $2,000 very soon.

OK I bit the bullet... I should have it on Wednesday. Nice price from one of the forum sponsors. I will report back my initial impressions and get together a detailed report later in the week/weekend. I have a spider and HCFR to do some basic calibration and greyscale measurements.


That's great, just hold it in the palm of your hand and hook it up. The little projector is a powerhouse of light yet still has a very good black level, you should like it. No white segment here just colors and spinning 4x speed so you shouldn't be bothered by the rainbow effect, I wasn't my wife couldn't see any when trying either. Just remember Cinema is about 600 lumens, choose bright and it shoots to 1600lumens. You could try that during the day, maybe a Sunday football game. For Cinema try lowering brilliant color to number 1.
Have fun

Thanks Tom!
Did you ever get around to measuring the contrast ratio? I am interested to see what the native CR is! My guess based on other models is somewhere close to 3K.

Contrast and pop are excellent from what I've seen just tuning the basics with Avia. I didn't get time to run colorfacts tests but over all I was happy with the OTB video quality. We could expect around 3000.1 out of a dark chip. Not sure if the new color wheel would add some more, maybe so the lumen's were high in Cinema mode 600lumens yet blacks were dark. You'll find it allot of fun with all the various menu functions and the superwide feature to take a look at.
Come on back with some feedback once you get up and running.

So ... is it still 8bit color processing (vs 10 or 12 ...) ?

So ... is it still 8bit color processing (vs 10 or 12 ...) ?

Remember the previous generation was 8 bit on digital inputs. The analog on previous generation were 10 bit.

I guess when I get the projector I can run some full field patterns and compare the analog to the digital and see if there is a difference. Does anyone have a test to check for 8, 10, and 12 bit?

Mainly contour patterns in any video which I didn't see any and with HDMI. Throw on U571 chapter triggers job that's a good one for contour checking. Or Dark City opening dark scene with the light swinging which is another good one.

It stretches the image to larger up and out a bit but it does this without softening an image. The cool part is when in auto it remembers and anytime you send a 2.35 image it goes into action. Send it a 1.85 and nothing happens. Thats with component or HDMI. Tzungilin said something about it adding resolution like 100pixels or so. I'll see if I can't get a clearer explanation about part.

im also curious about 'super-wide' feature; is the 2.35:1 image being used coming from anamorphic or nonanamorphic 2.35x1 sd dvd

or hdm;

or doesnt it matter?

also, does ep1691 have the super-wide feature?

i've read retailors descriptions on both but no specific info on subject.

thanks! ive read whole thread but may have missed info pertaining to my questions.

It keys on Anamorphic DVD's, I expect Optoma to add SW to other new HT models. Even though the 1691 has some tunings for Home Cinema it's still considered a presentation model so I doubt it will have superwide. Maybe the HD71 will have superwide we'll see.

It keys on Anamorphic DVD's, I expect Optoma to add SW to other new HT models. Even though the 1691 has some tunings for Home Cinema it's still considered a presentation model so I doubt it will have superwide. Maybe the HD71 will have superwide we'll see.

thanks for response.

how will s-w fare w hdm material which as i understand it isnt anamorphic (like sd anamorphic widescreen content encoded onto 4x3 'frame') but encoded onto a 16x9 'frame' thereby making anamorphic unnecessary.

or am i way off here?

Well I am looking at a box (very small I might add) for the HD65 sitting here in my office. I hope I get a chance tonight to hang it! I think Friday night I can do a full calibration and see how it looks.

Well I am looking at a box (very small I might add) for the HD65 sitting here in my office. I hope I get a chance tonight to hang it! I think Friday night I can do a full calibration and see how it looks.

i for 1, cant wait 2 hear about it!

thanks for response.

how will s-w fare w hdm material which as i understand it isnt anamorphic (like sd anamorphic widescreen content encoded onto 4x3 'frame') but encoded onto a 16x9 'frame' thereby making anamorphic unnecessary.

or am i way off here?

The screen was showing the correct aspect whether you sent HDTV 16.9 or HD 2.35 from an HD-DVD player. It handled standard HDTV and Full screen HD-DVD correctly. It just took the 2.35 video and made it fill the screen. Hook that puppy up.

guitarman, would you say from what you have seen is the HD65 that much better than the HD70? I watch alot of football and have friends over all the time and you know what just don't want to watch in the dark, like to see who I am talking to. But from what you have seen is it a better projector for movies also.

Well tried to mount it and my Peerless PRSUNLV mount is to big! I will have to get a smaller mount this week. Interesting thing though... It looks like there is a tripod mount screw located in the center of the three ceiling mount screw holes. No mention of it's purpose in the manual. This thing is really small!

Yes it's better, brighter and better coloring. A RGB/CYM colorhwheel looks to be producing brighter and more natural colors than a RGB/W/RGB colorwheel.

Another review posted...
my411family.com/electronics/projectors/reviews/read.php?id=82

Any idea how does this projector handle the Standard definition videos and DVD... The picture posted by Guitarman looked choppy and grainy for a DVD!:confused:

Thanks.

So ... is it still 8bit color processing (vs 10 or 12 ...) ?

According to the review just posted it has 10 bit processing...

"The internal video processing in more than 10 bits produces 256 shades for each primary color and thus the overall colors achieved are 16.7 million colors (256REDx256GREENx256BLUE=16.7 million colors)."

Also I think the reviewer is off on the offset. I will have to read the manual again but I think it is around 1/2 of what is published in that review.

edit: I just ran the numbers and it appears that the offset it close to 18-19% of screen height.

256 shades are 8-bit. Right?

Guitarman/ p@55w0rd, please let me know the DVD playback quality? This will be the main concern since i be using HD only occasionally. I plan to buy this ASAP :D

Thanks in advance...

Projection calculator is now active at Projector Central and it pretty much mirrors what the one on the Optoma website says. This unit is a little shorter throw than the HD7X series. I can get an 86-88" diagonal image from my 10' throw distance restriction. Projection calculator says about 40 fL with a 1.1 gain screen given those specs. Can you say... ambient light? :)

Also- the sales literature on the Optoma website still lists 1 year warranty but VA and PP are saying 2 years. I'd like that cleared up given the HD7300 sales literature fiasco. God- I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on that mess.

Tom- my 3 1/2 year old H30 is still chugging away with a very nice, but pretty dim image (~3,500-4,000 hours on lamp)

Cheers!

Hello

I have a spare room that is 19x20 with an 8ft ceiling. What would be my max screen size with this unit. Thanks

Can someone take a screenshot of a football game in superwide mode? Is it going to cut off the scores?

So I am assuming, for doing a layout of screens, that for the superwide mode, you calculate your projection distance, and then take the screen width at that distance. The screen width divided by 2 would give you the screen height to make your 2.0 screen?

Also, if Width = W, then is the offset of a 2.0 screen going to be (W/1.78)*.19? In another words, does superwide keep the picture "centered" in the 16x9 window?

256 shades are 8-bit. Right?

Correct. As I understand all digital *source* formats are 8-bit/color (at least until "deepcolor" arrives) ... the issue is whether the processing (more important for scaling displays) can smooth out the 8bit gradients.

For instance, it would make difference in 1080i/p (or 480i/p) conversion to 720p ... not so much for a native 720p source. The extra 2 bits are used to ward off rounding/truncation issues.

... And so-called "720p" flat panels are another beast ;)

... Then again if the DLP chip is self is capable of more than 8bit/color display, then it would make a difference at all source resolutions. Personally, that's all beyond my feeble grasp of the topic. :D

Feel free to correct any inaccuracies.

EDIT: Ok ... stupid me, I see that DLP chips are 10bit devices ... makes sense now that you'd need to "scale" the color info from 16-235 (or 0-255) up to 0-1024 for display.

Guys I went ahead and mounted it last night with a slight mod to my existing mount and was able to fire it up for some prelim. viewing. First and foremost prior to this projector I have owned several projectors. I started with the Sonly W400 and gradually moved through a HT10, HS10, Sanyo Z4, Sharp XVZ3100. So my vast amount of viewing has been done on LCD. The Sharp DLP had issues with bowing and geometric distortion so I returned it. Despite this issue my first experience with DLP was good. I found after the first 30 second with the HD65 I am one of the people who can see rainbows on a 4x color wheel. The Sharp had a 5x and I could not detect it at all. But it is very distracting (at least to me) on the Optima HD65. I spent about 10 more minutes viewing and doing some basic set up just to see if there was anything I could do to reduce the RBE. I set contrast, brightness, and set the lamp into low and turned off/on AI. The picture is decent out of the box (a bit warm for my tastes) but definitely needs a full calibration. I slept on it and ultimately decided to return the HD65. I will now start my quest to find a decent LCD in my price range. Good luck to everyone considering this projector! And if you cannot see the RBE then this would make a fine projector.

If you're bothered by the rainbow effect at 4x you should see them at 5x also. Only way out is LCD and it's a shame to lose the ANSI contrast of pop a DLP will give.
If I had to go LCD I'd get a Sony, Pany, Sanyo in that order. Sony and Sanyo being about the same, Pany a little different with it's high brightness and smooth screen.
Good luck on the hunt.

The rainbow effect can be more complicated than just 2x, 4x, 5x. I had a X1 back in the day and only rarely saw them. When I got my sp4805 I thought I'd never see any since it's twice as fast(4x) as the X1. But I saw A LOT more on the SP4805 starting 2 minutes after I fired it up. Rainbows are distracting but I only saw them 3 times a movie or so and I just lived with it because the blue blacks of LCD at that time was not a trade I would even consider. If you don't see them a lot I'd give it a week and you eyes will adjust and you'll see less and less, but there are some projectors(most 4x or below) that do have a bothersome amount of RBE. LCD's now have closed the gap in black level and I'm open to either DLP or LCD in fact I'm feeling when I buy next I'll get a LCD most likely esp if the pannels improve again in black level. The HD65 may have more than average rainbows for 4x I guess we'll see a time goes on. Time for 5x or 6x to become the norm though.

For me, BenQ 8700 w/ 5x shows the least RBE, then Mitsu HD1000u, Infocus IN72; BenQ 6200 is the worst w/ 2x.

In terms of black level, the Sony HS51 is better than the panny ae900 which has VB, a deal breaker for me.

I never had a sanyo, but would consider the z5; panny's qc has been inconsistent.

My latest is the Mitsu HD1000u but I would not have problem going back to the sony, though I really enjoyed watching football with the Mitsu. The occasion RBE does not bother me as much.

Higher brightness and contrast also brings more rainbows for people that can see them. The HD65 puts out some serious brightness, more so when you choose brightness video choice, 1600lumens.

Guys

Is there a better projector on the market than this unit that is under $1500.00. I have a dark room that will be used strictly as a theater room. Thanks

Feel free to jump in anytime guys!

Guys

Is there a better projector on the market than this unit that is under $1500.00. I have a dark room that will be used strictly as a theater room. Thanks

Check out the Mitsubishi HC4900 threads:)

Guys. I got this projector yesterday and have been trying to configure it. Here is my setup

DVD - Philips DVP5982/37 upconverting DVD player
Projector- Optoma HD65
Connectivity - HDMI to HDMI

The problem I am having is that the projector does not lock in to the DVD's resolution. When I connect, it identifies the resolution e.g. 720p at 60HZ and then when it tries to lock ( screen goes blank for a second) it cant and then it projector goes back into search mode, identifies the resolution again and this goes on in a loop. It only plays when its at 480p. I tried various combinations but to no avail. I upgraded the firmware on the DVD player.

Wondering if anyone has any idea on what may be causing this problem ?

Thanks
Parimal

First set auto lock on in the projectors menu. Then you hit the direct button only on your remote. Looking to settle on Digital/RGB keep hitting the button till you see that on the screen. Have the projector going first before you turn on the DVD player, for the proper hand shake.
good luck

I have 480p and 576p working. As soon as I go to 720p, its okay when its at the setup screen but as soon as a DVD starts playing, the projector goes back in the searching , locking and searching blue screen loop.

Also is there a menu option to go into Eco mode or Brite mode. I thought I choose bright mode at one point and now I find the fan to be too loud. For some reason I cant find the option to go back into eco mode.

Thanks again for you help

Undo AI to use econo mode. Try another DVD and cable setup up if you can.

Have an HD65 and a 5980 philips upscaling DVD player and also having problems getting the HDMI connection to work. Question is which is the end causing the problem?

Does the problem happen with a component connection too?

The one I had I used a Tosh HD player and a 25' HDMI cable, never a problem. Run tests with a shorter cable, or try different resolutions from the player.

How would this compare to my old Panny Ae500, was thinking of this as it is £416 over here in the UK or paying for the AX200 at £793 or a secondhand AE900 for £400.

Having never had a DLP I am not sur I would/can see rainbows?

I had the AX100 and tried it for the high brightness, the HD65 measured higher in brightness by a few hundred lumens, it has more basic contrast than the LCD. I did like the Panasonic though if rainbows are a problem it's worth a look. More money though :)

Does the problem happen with a component connection too?

Component connection is fine for me. For the moment I am sorting my problem between HD65 and Philips by rearranging what connection is used for which so as to free up the component cables for the DVD player (have cable box, dvd, PC and Wii using different connections)

Hi Guys

Have a problem here in the UK and was hoping someone could help i got the HD65 and the Toshiba HD EP35 here in the UK and have just purchased the Onkyo 875 with latest firmware. Now heres the problem and i have tried several solutions and none work everytime i turn on the HD65 signal coming from 875 with HDMI the 875 throws a wobbly and will not see my HD EP35 or the 875.

Funny thing is itried the 875 and EP35 on my Pionner 507 and it worked no problem, Tried once again on the Optoma Hd65 and it wont work, If i connect the Tosh HD EP35 directly to the Optoma HD65 it locks onto the picture straight away.

Anyone with the same setup have a solution at all



Thanks:)

I plan to connect my HD65 to PC. Now i am confused whether to go for the Component or HDMI.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=14-241-067-08.jpg&Image=14-241-067-03.jpg%2c14-241-067-04.jpg%2c14-241-067-05.jpg%2c14-241-067-06.jpg%2c14-241-067-07.jpg%2c14-241-067-08.jpg%2c14-241-067-09.jpg%2c14-241-067-02.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&Depa=0&Description=GECUBE+Radeon+HD+3870+GC-HD3870XTG4-E3R+Video+Card

The main concern here is the graphics card has a component cable off the s-video port. How good will be compared to the hdmi dongle off the dvi port?

I plan to use the PC for gaming and movies.

Please help. :confused:

Regards,
Ramesh R

guys.. i got the PS3 and connected using the same HDMI cable which i thought was giving me problems with the philips 5982. everything works like a charm so i think the problem was with the dvd player.

Cheers!

Yeah this device vs HDMI vs cable is frustrating. Right just keep searching for what will work is all we can do. Personally I'm not all the peachy keen on the HDMI program. But once we find a way to make it work all is bliss. :)

Hi there,

I placed an order on new year's eve on what I thought was the best deal on the net, only to find very bad ratings on resellerratings.com for the website which scared me away and I cancelled a day later.
I'm talking about electotronics, any of you bought your HD65 or anything from there? The price is too good to pass over, but all the classic features of a "dubious website" fit it well. Any help or info would be appreciated.

Cheers.

EDIT:I'm sorry I'm not sure if I'm breaking any forum rules here, but if I am, MOD delete my post.

I'll use a credit card to be protected when buying on the web. If the deals good it's worth a shot.

This is a pretty cool little projector, very high power for such a little size. Flush mounted on a white ceiling you would hardly notice it. :)

Thanks Tom for your feedback ;)
Hmmm, yeah you're right about the CC being safe as you can always dispute the charges with the CC company :D
Maybe I'll give it a go and hope for the best :p

Interesting thing though... It looks like there is a tripod mount screw located in the center of the three ceiling mount screw holes. No mention of it's purpose in the manual. This thing is really small!

Yeah I want to know the if there is really a tripod mount screw on the HD65?... Any owners please?

Can anyone tell me what lamp module it uses? is the same as HD70 or a different one.

Somehow I am not able to find this info. Appreciate if someone can update...

Deciding right now between the HD7100 and the HD65 - I like the short throw of the 7100 and the great picture. Is there picture wise a significat difference between the old technology of the 71000 compared to the 65? Is it also more reliable?
Any thoughts?

Thanks for the info guys. I plan on getting this as soon as it releases in Canada. The HD 70 is still over a grand up here. Plus no rebates.

If this costs about the same or even a bit more it should be a great deal. I am looking forward to trying out the Superwide feature. I'll gladly give up a small bit of picture info on the sides in order to fill my screen.

Any confirmed dates for when the HD65 will begin shipping?

Jason

the hd65 is already here in canada - under the name of hd640 at costco warehouses - not on online shopping costco - below $1000 with screen

can anyone comment on the fan noise of this projector?

some of the literature states 34 db in economy mode and 35 db in standard mode. Have also read that is it 29 db in economy and 30 in standard.

I am looking to upgrade from the Infocus SP4805 which I find quite noisy especially during quiet scenes. thanks.

Deciding right now between the HD7100 and the HD65 - I like the short throw of the 7100 and the great picture. Is there picture wise a significat difference between the old technology of the 71000 compared to the 65? Is it also more reliable?
Any thoughts?

The HD7100 is DC3 and does a great picture, it's been buggy and drove some owners crazy. The HD65 is a different animal, it's main thing is how bright it is. The fan sound is low in econo, in high lamp it comes close to the 4805 which I have heard.

thanks Tom. picture quality wise would you say that the hd65 is a noticeable step up from the infocus 4805? I'm not too bothered about the advantage of the HD65 brightness as my cinema room is pretty dark and most use is for watching films in the evening anyway.

I read one review or maybe it was on the Optoma website indicating that sending the HD65 a 1080p/24 signal resulted in a much cleaner picture. Is this true and would you list this as a significant advantage over the other low cost 720p projectors that can't accept this signal.

thanks

The HD7100 is DC3 and does a great picture, it's been buggy and drove some owners crazy. The HD65 is a different animal, it's main thing is how bright it is. The fan sound is low in econo, in high lamp it comes close to the 4805 which I have heard.

But isn't a DC2 with much newer technology better then a 3 year old DC3? I heard the fan in econo and it whispers compared to a HD7100 in econo. The size of this machine is unbelievable - it practially disappears in a room.

DC3 is still a more expensive chip, a larger chip also which means more light. On for a dark theater room which one the HD7100 or HD65? I'd have to go with the HD7100 and pray there are no bugs. :)

The HD65 with its new brilliant color 2 and special RGBCYM color wheel produces a super bright and and lets say jovial color array. Many will like this kind of image and blasting colors.

Thanks for your advice.
I will have the opportunity to see both of them next to each other on the weekend. Will be great to see the differnce and I will report back here.

Thanks for your advice.
I will have the opportunity to see both of them next to each other on the weekend. Will be great to see the differnce and I will report back here.

Thanks, I really really want to read more about this projector before buying it. How does it compare to the HD72?

Thanks, I really really want to read more about this projector before buying it. How does it compare to the HD72?

Yeah I'll second that! :D
How does it compare to the Acer PH530? :p
Also, how big a picture can the HD65 handle considering it's 1600 lumens?
This will be a major deciding factor for me as I'm seriously thinking of going 12' wide in 2.40:1 CIH setup with this projector :cool:

My 4805 lamp just blew and know im concidering a new pj. Anyone who used the hd65 for normal tv with a top set-box? The 4805 with 576i from a cabel tv-receiver has been great and im afraid the hd65 will do worse with these "sad" signals. I asume the hd73 is a good choice in this matter but i have not seen that one either.

Please give me some feedback here and in the hd73 tread. As a full range user (TV, gaming, DVD etc.), will I be happy with one of these machines? It is more than important that my new projector lets me enjoy football and other difficult tv-broadcasts.

The HD71 is even brighter - may be too bright for a regular home theatre. Looks like the HD71 does not support 1080p - an interesting point for future connectivity with HD or blue ray. What else did you guys see for differences between HD71 and HD65?

I just looked up on the pdf file of HD71 manual and it states that it can support a 1080p signal. The specs on projector central are wrong

Has anyone of the HD65 owners set it up for CIH yet?
if so, could he be kind enough to let me know how the paper test go with this PJ and what was the size of the image on paper?
I have to weigh-in DIY prism lens sizes to have my CIH setup but I still am 3 months away from buying this PJ, so someone please? :-)

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!

so how does the fan noise compare to HD70 or HD72 or Infocus In72

PJcentral says HD72 is quieter than HD70

Since it has such a small box and a bright lamp, I guess the fan
has to work a lot to get the heat out.

The Infocus IN72 is a very quiet unit. I sit just 3 feet behind it and
it doesnt bother me. it is also a constant white noise instead of
a high pitch color wheel kind of noise.

So does the HD65 compare well to IN72 in the eco mode?

These days there are many projectors that put out a good image
for under $1000 and pretty much they all have HDMI.
So what causes buyers remorse is mainly ergonomic issues im my opinion,
in particular for me it is the fan noise as I have to mount it on a table.

So to me a dealer with a good return policy is important.

Will the HD65 be available at BestBuy or COSTCO?

would HD70 be a better deal. It is still available for $799 ($999-200 rebate)
of course HD70 does not have the 2.0 CIH

Has anyone of the HD65 owners set it up for CIH yet?
if so, could he be kind enough to let me know how the paper test go with this PJ and what was the size of the image on paper?
I have to weigh-in DIY prism lens sizes to have my CIH setup but I still am 3 months away from buying this PJ, so someone please? :-)

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!

Does it have the letter box mode or the vertical stretch mode?

Since they have the 2.01 option I thought they may not have the
stretch mode.

I have tried those cheapo prisms and in my opinion it is not worth spending the time and money on those $100 prisms as the image quality is just not good. bad focus, barrel distortion etc. Also the cheap prisms work best at zero zoom. The image is just not as sharp as the original image.
This is my experience with IN72 and 2 types of cheapo prisms that we can get in US.

Considering all that, the built in 2.01 CIH might be a better option
who cares if the sides of the 2.35 image are gone.
My only issue with 16:9 image would be if the scores in NBA or Tennis get cut. I dont care about the ticker tapes on CNN HD :-)

I think I'm going to bite the bullet and order my HD65. I'll be coming from my home made 1280x1024 lumenlab projector. The size of the HD65 will be really nice. I'll be able to sit centered in the prime viewing spot finally. Any 720 DLP looks to be a nice improvement in picture from my home built. I thought about the 7100, but I don't want to deal with it's problems. I'll probably upgrade to 1080P later down the road anyway.

Does it have the letter box mode or the vertical stretch mode?

Since they have the 2.01 option I thought they may not have the
stretch mode.

I have tried those cheapo prisms and in my opinion it is not worth spending the time and money on those $100 prisms as the image quality is just not good. bad focus, barrel distortion etc. Also the cheap prisms work best at zero zoom. The image is just not as sharp as the original image.
This is my experience with IN72 and 2 types of cheapo prisms that we can get in US.

Considering all that, the built in 2.01 CIH might be a better option
who cares if the sides of the 2.35 image are gone.
My only issue with 16:9 image would be if the scores in NBA or Tennis get cut. I dont care about the ticker tapes on CNN HD :-)

Yeah the HD65 has the letterbox option and the 2.0:1 superwide feature works when the Pj detects anamorphic Dvd's wider than 1.85:1 AR :)
so one can use either mode or none at all.

But I'll be going with an HTPC so letterbox option isn't that important to me at least, but yeah, it's a must if your not using any external scalers and want to ad an anamorphic lens, which I definitely want to do! :D

From The Official Optoma HD71 Thread :)

... I have figured out the superwide feature. It cannot be used with auto AI. There are 4 resolution settings native, 16:9, 4:3 and LBX. To use superwide it has to be set to native (which automaticly adjusts to the signal). An attempt is made to fill the screen but doesn't always seem to do a good job. There are so many different formats of movies, I never realized. I prefer to leave the superwide off and manually make any adjustments. The remote has all the settings for easy changes.

Yeah the HD65 has the letterbox option and the 2.0:1 superwide feature works when the Pj detects anamorphic Dvd's wider than 1.85:1 AR :)
so one can use either mode or none at all.

But I'll be going with an HTPC so letterbox option isn't that important to me at least, but yeah, it's a must if your not using any external scalers and want to ad an anamorphic lens, which I definitely want to do! :D

Is this letter box and 2.01 the same.

What I am asking is a vertical stretch mode for anamorphic 2.35 DVD's
With this stretch mode an external lens/prism can be used to horizontally
stretch the image and get a bigger 2.35 image i.e 2.35 CIH.

Then I can compare the image quality of the 2.01 CIH image and the 2.35
CIH image with a lens/prism and pick the one that is better.

I guess you answered that at the end of your post. never mind

I just bought a HD70 (HD32) from Costco online a couple weeks ago. It arrived last week... so I was at Costco yesterday doing some shopping and look what I see! A newer model HD640, which I'm told is the HD65... so should I take back my HD70 and replace it with this? Has anyone made a comparison checklist on what would make this model better than the HD70? By the way, they are both exactly the same price ($979)! Thanks in advance for any advice.

As guitarman pointed out earlier:

The HD65 has 1600 lumens vs. 1000 lumens of the HD70, making it measure higher in brightness by a few hundred lumens and is very close to it's rated lumens, so it has more basic contrast, and also the HD65 has a new brilliant color 2 and special RGB/CYM color wheel (vs. no brilliant color 2 and RGB/RGB in HD70, thus producing a super bright and blasting colors

My choice HD65 :)

Is this letter box and 2.01 the same.

What I am asking is a vertical stretch mode for anamorphic 2.35 DVD's
With this stretch mode an external lens/prism can be used to horizontally
stretch the image and get a bigger 2.35 image i.e 2.35 CIH.

Then I can compare the image quality of the 2.01 CIH image and the 2.35
CIH image with a lens/prism and pick the one that is better.


You would use the projector without it's CIH setup enabled. Letterbox here will stretch the 2.35 image up for the lens use.

As guitarman pointed out earlier:

The HD65 has 1600 lumens vs. 1000 lumens of the HD70, making it measure higher in brightness by a few hundred lumens and is very close to it's rated lumens, so it has more basic contrast, and also the HD65 has a new brilliant color 2 and special RGB/CYM color wheel (vs. no brilliant color 2 and RGB/RGB in HD70, thus producing a super bright and blasting colors

My choice HD65 :)
Good points. Too bad there isn't an official review out there yet (although this one does help out for sure).

Does anyone have a link to the differences between brilliant color 2 vs brilliant color 1 and RGB/CYM color wheel vs RGB/RGB color wheel? I'm more concerned with image sharpness than color, but that's my own personal preference.

I couldn't find any spec sheets that says the HD65 has Brilliant Color 2, you think they'd include that?

I just got back from the store and thought I'd share some observations (both from the pyscial inspections and what I've read from the spec sheets).
- The build quality doesn't seem as good as the HD70, it just feels and looks cheaper all around.
- I noticed that the IR receiver is also a lot smaller which might make it a bit more of a pain using the remote on it when ceiling mounting.
- The HD70 also has horizontal and vertical keystone correction while the HD65 only has vertical.
- One other item of note, it looks like the HD65 only has a 1.10 zoom compared to the 1.20 on the HD70, that can further limit placement options.
- It did seem very bright. Costco just had one out projecting onto a small (very small, maybe 16' x 12') piece of white cardboard in a fully lit store. The image was as crisp as expected with a non calibrated projector displaying a 480i DVD signal over component. When I looked at the image real close up during a white scene, the brightness hurt my eyes a little bit. I don't recall that in my initial tests (well, playing around with) on the HD70.

I'm going to do some more research before I swap them out. I had everything all ready to go (placement wise) on the HD70 and will need to recheck calculations now for the HD65. I'm just waiting for my ceiling mount and 6x2 component switch to come in. Does anyone know if a universal mount made for the HD70 should fit on the HD65? I didn't measure, but the mounting holes look different. Still the pattern of three holes, but they seemed a little closer together than the HD70.

"Does anyone have a link to the differences between brilliant color 2 vs brilliant color 1 and RGB/CYM color wheel vs RGB/RGB color wheel?"

I can't tell you all about it I'd be in trouble. But take it from me, it's a huge upgrade.

Hehe, fair enough.

Does anyone have a picture of the mounting holes on the bottom of the projector? I already ordered my mount and would have to pay for shipping both ways if I need to return it. So I'd like to avoid that. I'm trying to determine if a HD70 mount will work on the HD65? This is the mount I bought: http://www.mountdirect.com/PMS_Projector_Ceiling_Mount_p/pms.htm

As guitarman pointed out earlier:

The HD65 has 1600 lumens vs. 1000 lumens of the HD70, making it measure higher in brightness by a few hundred lumens and is very close to it's rated lumens, so it has more basic contrast, and also the HD65 has a new brilliant color 2 and special RGB/CYM color wheel (vs. no brilliant color 2 and RGB/RGB in HD70, thus producing a super bright and blasting colors

My choice HD65 :)

also the HD65 has a smaller offset (19%) for people with lower ceilings that don't have to worry about having an image thats close to the floor and the new HDMI 1.3a connection.

Thanks for posting the offset, I have limited space in my apartment and that makes a big difference. Looks like it is time to order me a HD65.

Anyone got one of these projectors up and running yet. I am about to pull the trigger and just curious if there were any quick impressions.

Thanks

I am ordering an HD65 and have a question. I am am debating between a matte white screen or a high contrast grey. I am going to be projecting on a 92" and during the day there is going to be some ambient light (not much but some comes though the blind. I am thinking High contrast grey do help with black levels.

I prefer the white screen, most will like their whites looking pure white. Dalite non-tension pull downs in Mat white won't show waves in video also.

I bought HD65. Now, waiting to set it up. Here's some photos:-

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/maxxnmt/HD65/bec81de2.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/maxxnmt/HD65/293cbd1d.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/maxxnmt/HD65/004edda2.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/maxxnmt/HD65/f4ac6dd8.jpg

It is indeed a very small projector. I havent got the time to test it out yet. Hope it doesnt disappoint :)

I have been playing around with the HD70 and am impressed. I'm going to keep it because the offset and zoom ranges work better for my theater area compared to the HD65. It's my first projector so I don't know what I'm missing by not going with the HD65. ;)

I bought HD65. Now, waiting to set it up. Here's some photos:-

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/maxxnmt/HD65/bec81de2.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/maxxnmt/HD65/293cbd1d.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/maxxnmt/HD65/004edda2.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/maxxnmt/HD65/f4ac6dd8.jpg

It is indeed a very small projector. I havent got the time to test it out yet. Hope it doesnt disappoint :)

First projector or did you have something to compare it to?
Fire that puppy up and enjoy the light.

Watched a 2:35 movie yesterday and wanted to enable the super wide function but it was not on the menu. Connected dvd player through hdmi, AI off and native resolution. What am I doing wrong not seeing the super wide function?

How would the HD65 do in a rear ceiling mount? My current projector has lens shift so i use very little keystone correction. Will I have any trouble getting a straight image?

I know it sounds like a bit of a noob question, but I'd hate to get it home only to find out it won't work for me.

Tom,

I'm guessing this is better than the Mitsubishi HC1500, yes? Does this thing display, or just accept 24fps? I know the HD70 did have such a display mode.

Walt

Hehe, fair enough.

Does anyone have a picture of the mounting holes on the bottom of the projector? I already ordered my mount and would have to pay for shipping both ways if I need to return it. So I'd like to avoid that. I'm trying to determine if a HD70 mount will work on the HD65? This is the mount I bought: http://www.mountdirect.com/PMS_Projector_Ceiling_Mount_p/pms.htm

Perhaps this image help:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9112/projectormanual402347fs4.jpg


Peter

Woohoo!!! My HD65 is sitting at home waiting for me! I'm projecting on to my a Da-lite High Power. I can't wait! I'll post a mini review, check back later.

Woohoo!!! My HD65 is sitting at home waiting for me! I'm projecting on to my a Da-lite High Power. I can't wait! I'll post a mini review, check back later.

Pics nao! :)

how would you compare this projector to a mitsubishi hc1500

Does someone compared the optoma HD65 with the Epson HC720 ?
I am concern about dust blob on LCD.(dusty environnement)
Does DLP are immune to dust blob ?
I just bought the HD65 at COSTCO.
I found the picture very good but since it is my first projector, i have nothing to compare. I saw really good reviews for the Epson so i could changed my decision
. I need your advice. Thank you.

I dont see it listed at that store on the internet. Is it in stores only.

Ug, I got it all setup. I see the infamous rainbows everywhere!!! It totally drives me crazy. I feel a little weird after watching for a while too :( I saw some rainbows on a older DLP projector. I thought they would have improved the technology by now. The picture looks great and I want to like it, but the rainbows are driving me insane!!! I'm sure the High Power isn't helping things either. It super bright and probably makes the rainbows pop out more. I'm sad :( Would anyone like to buy a HD65 with only a few hours on it?

I needed to replace my NEC HT410 that died over the weekend. On a budget of a grand the search was on! I narrowed it down to the HD65 and the Mitsubishi HC1500. In the end I just went with my gut feeling and bought the HD65 last night.

I had to use our tripod to mount it because the screws I have for ceiling mount won't fit. So not ideal, but I couldn't wait for a depot run. When I fired it up (Ratatouille), the picture was so bright, I was surprised to find it was “eco” mode. My first impressions are ...well... HOLY COW!!! I feel bad for people that have issues with RBE because DLP can be so nice. I did see them on my old unit but they never bothered me. And eventually I had to try to find them to see them. But I haven't had a problem yet. I am going to watch Sin City and Transformers to get a better feel for my new toy.

I'll see if I can get some pictures up and maybe a more complete review.

Answers to a couple of q's I've seen:

1: BB carries it but check the website not all stores have it. Also. I had to ask for it because it was nowhere to be found on the floor.

2: Even though the Optoma website indicates there is a 1 year warranty, the card mine came with says 2 years.

3: The fan (in eco mode) is extremely quiet. It is quieter than my NEC, which was advertised as “whisper quiet”.

4: Yes, there really is a tripod mount.


And Guitar-
can you explain the superwide again. I don't understand the "set zoom to 1." Mine does not have a zoom:(

Brightness and color sticks really out. I do see a little rainbow but not enough to be bothered. I was used to the HD7100 (when it worked) and contrast, blacks and depth of the image is a lot better with the 7100 compared to the HD65. I guess the better optics and the DC3 are responible for it. I do not see the super wide function in my menu (connected via hdmi, AI off and native resolution). Will keep checking unless someone knows the solution (doe it only work with other connections?)

My setup was a Tosh HD-DVD player with HDMI and all 2.35 movies could be used with superwide. Make sure the movie your playing is 2.35 aspect.

Ug, I got it all setup. I see the infamous rainbows everywhere!!! It totally drives me crazy. I feel a little weird after watching for a while too :( I saw some rainbows on a older DLP projector. I thought they would have improved the technology by now. The picture looks great and I want to like it, but the rainbows are driving me insane!!! I'm sure the High Power isn't helping things either. It super bright and probably makes the rainbows pop out more. I'm sad :( Would anyone like to buy a HD65 with only a few hours on it?

High brightness and contrast will bring more rainbows to those that see them. Make sure you're in econo mode, tune down the contrast or anyway you should use a calibration DVD and tune the blacks and whites. HD-DVE for SD or HD or Avia for SD-DVD. Oh a ND filter would help also. Maybe a Neutral Density 3.

While setting up my new HD65 I saw a flash of rainbows while shifting my eyes from the menu which was displayed against a black screen. Other than that, nada. This is after about 50 hrs of viewing. If I'd never heard of rainbows I wouldn't have noticed this subtle effect. I am glad because this is a fantastic machine and I would have hated to have to return it because of rainbows.

HD TV is sharp and the HD65 is capable of revealing the many less than perfect broadcasts posing as HD. Letterman and Leno always satisfy. DVDs are great and will allow me to defer the purchase of a Blue Ray for a while until prices fall a bit. Standard def digital satellite images are often good enough to match DVD quality which amazed me.

This is a very bright projector and is much brighter than my old Epson S1 which was rated at a similar brighness. The colours are basically up to the users. I found it a bit intense so I turned the saturation down a bit. This flexiblity is great and the HD65 should be capable of satisfying a wide range of tastes.

watched standart tv yesterday through video input and picture was as good as it can be. With that connection I saw on the menu the superwide function. When I connect with my oppo from dvi to hdmi (very short and good cable) the menu does not show the superwide feature. Anybody notice the same or do I have a faulty pj?

My setup was a Tosh HD-DVD player with HDMI and all 2.35 movies could be used with superwide. Make sure the movie your playing is 2.35 aspect.

The menu does not even show that option when I connect dvi to hdmi - I have seen that option connecting with video. I send that question to optoma - let's see waht they answer.

Okay, I need help with the superwide feature. I have tried a Toshiba A3 @480P, 720p & 1080i, Zenith dvb 318 upped @ 720p&1080i, and a Toshiba dvdR @ 480p all with the same results. I set the superwide to on and the original aspect ratio remains the same for 2.35:1. Am I missing something here? I thought this was supposed to make the two main widescreen formats appear @ the same aspect ratio. It does cut down 1.85:1, but 2.35:1 remains OAR.

I don't get it.

Edit:
All via component.

You could post more Screenshots?
Please.


Thanks,
Peter

Okay, I need help with the superwide feature. I have tried a Toshiba A3 @480P, 720p & 1080i, Zenith dvb 318 upped @ 720p&1080i, and a Toshiba dvdR @ 480p all with the same results. I set the superwide to on and the original aspect ratio remains the same for 2.35:1. Am I missing something here? I thought this was supposed to make the two main widescreen formats appear @ the same aspect ratio. It does cut down 1.85:1, but 2.35:1 remains OAR.

I don't get it.

Edit:
All via component.

The manual should tell you everything you need to know on how to use superwide. There was something said earlier about making sure you use the native aspect choice also. I'm getting the HD71 today which has superwide also, will see how it works and post back.

There is an option for superwide. I will take a screenshot of it. Anyway, I managed to set it up but have little time to calibrate it. Hopefully, have the time to do it on this weekend. Here are screenshots taken (sorry, aint good at photography)

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/maxxnmt/5f615c1f.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg240/maxxnmt/61670272.jpg

3: The fan (in eco mode) is extremely quiet. It is quieter than my NEC, which was advertised as “whisper quiet”.



I have to write a reply to this because I totally disagree. I think the HD65 makes terrible noise, and is far too loud. I used to have the HD70, which was much quieter. And I use it at "eco" mode too.

I have to write a reply to this because I totally disagree. I think the HD65 makes terrible noise, and is far too loud. I used to have the HD70, which was much quieter. And I use it at "eco" mode too.

Funny, while at was comparing the two in-store, the HD70 running on eco sounded as loud as the HD65.

In high bulb however, the HD65 was louder (at least louder in that I could detect it in a busy store).

Definitly not loud in econo - had the H31 and the HD7100 (the loudest one) and this one is very quiet and it is right in front of me when I watch movies/TV. So far a beautiful machine but trying to figure out why super wide does not work when connecting dvi to hdmi.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention that when I took these screenshots, there is mild ambient light in the room. This is my first projector. I did see a little rainbow effect but I could live with it.

HD65 is a little noisy to some people. It is not distracting enough to drive me up the wall.

Just grabbed a HD65 and screen this afternoon (was going to get a W500 but cancelled the order).

Will post review and screenies tomorrow!

I have to write a reply to this because I totally disagree. I think the HD65 makes terrible noise, and is far too loud. I used to have the HD70, which was much quieter. And I use it at "eco" mode too.

For now, I have the hd65 mounted on a tripod that is less than 2 feet from my head. To my senses it is quieter than my the NEC ht410 mounted 4'-5' above my head. Additionally, from my experience I can say that is runs quieter than the inFocus sp4805. I am not saying that it's the quietest projector out there, just the quietest one that I've used.

Does the superwide mode work with movies shot in 2:40 - almost all new movies are in that aspect

It should, I got this on how to use it from the HD71 manual.

“SuperWide“ is “Off“ as default.
 How to use “SuperWide”
1. Use a 2.0:1 screen that buy from Optoma
2. Enable SuperWide
feature to Auto
3. Use zoom ring in top of projector to fit the image width to the screen width

I just noticed that I cannot change the lamp brightness settings while watching HD dvd via Toshiba A3 (using component @720p). I popped in an hd movie and noticed the projector got slightly louder. I associated this with the lamp settings. I paused the movie and searched though the menus for the lamp settings. I no longer have an option to change the lamp brightness!! To check this I changed the input on the projector to a non-HD source. Sure enough, not only did the projector quiet down, but now I have the option to change the lamp modes.

Is this normal??
Does this happen to those of you using HDMI?

I couldn't find anything about it in the manual. And if it's in this thread I missed it.

I thought I would check with other owners before contacting Optoma. As I find this annoying and borderline unacceptable.


Update:
I tried different setting on the dvd player (A3), over 720p locks in the bight setting, below 720p allow you to change to std (eco).

I just noticed that I cannot change the lamp brightness settings while watching HD dvd via Toshiba A3 (using component @720p). I popped in an hd movie and noticed the projector got slightly louder. I associated this with the lamp settings. I paused the movie and searched though the menus for the lamp settings. I no longer have an option to change the lamp brightness!! To check this I changed the input on the projector to a non-HD source. Sure enough, not only did the projector quiet down, but now I have the option to change the lamp modes.

Is this normal??
Does this happen to those of you using HDMI?

I couldn't find anything about it in the manual. And if it's in this thread I missed it.

I thought I would check with other owners before contacting Optoma. As I find this annoying and borderline unacceptable.


Update:
I tried different setting on the dvd player (A3), over 720p locks in the bight setting, below 720p allow you to change to std (eco).

After playing around a bit more, I discovered that this is associated with Image AI. I don't even really know what AI means, other than it's supposed to improve contrast.

Can someone give a more detailed description of what Image AI is?

Sadly, the HD65 and I won't be staying together. I returned it yesterday after a full calibration and 4+ hours of viewing time.

I found this unit to be very difficult to watch for an extended period of time due to severe color breakup (rainbows). My previous DLP was an Infocus IN72 which I believe used a 4x, 6-segment colour wheel and I very rarely saw any rainbows on that machine (even at high brightness during high contrast scenes).

No doubt the added brightness of the HD65 played a role but the rainbows were very fatiguing and I was a little sick after watching a few demos.

A great little machine nonetheless but not for me. I think I might have to retry for the W500. Just my 2 cents.

What picture tweaking should be addressed by people who see the rainbows in a very minor way - not enough to be truly bothered by it? Minor rainbows might be eliminated by some minor adjustments within the picture - any suggestons by the experts?

Sadly, the HD65 and I won't be staying together. I returned it yesterday after a full calibration and 4+ hours of viewing time.

I found this unit to be very difficult to watch for an extended period of time due to severe color breakup (rainbows). My previous DLP was an Infocus IN72 which I believe used a 4x, 6-segment colour wheel and I very rarely saw any rainbows on that machine (even at high brightness during high contrast scenes).

No doubt the added brightness of the HD65 played a role but the rainbows were very fatiguing and I was a little sick after watching a few demos.

A great little machine nonetheless but not for me. I think I might have to retry for the W500. Just my 2 cents.


I sent mine back already too. Same problem... I tried alot of adjustments and lowered the brightness alot. It didn't help one bit. I saw a older benq 720p unit at a friends this weekend. With the color wheel 5x and even 4x I had a hard time seeing any rainbows. I didn't get to view any dark scenes though. Just to be safe, I'll probably stick with LCD.

I have had the Hd65 for a couple of days now... and I must say I love it!!
I have owned the Sp4805,In72,hd1000,Hd70,
hc3000(purchased it with hd65 at BB at the same time and returned the Hc3000) and BenQ w500...
and I like the hd65 better than all of them.... I think it
beats all of those machines in every way except the W500 has better scaling ... other than that the Hd65 has the edge in black level, shadow detail,color,and Brightness for sure. I love dlp and i see no rainbows what so ever... sorry about the ones that due because this projector kicks A$$. I will post some screens later on tonight. The only problem I'm having is getting the superwide feature to work ??

Optoma HD 65
Screen 76" wide on Wall.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8008/optomahd65001ue4.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3535/optomahd65002cr8.jpg

Peter

What picture tweaking should be addressed by people who see the rainbows in a very minor way - not enough to be truly bothered by it? Minor rainbows might be eliminated by some minor adjustments within the picture - any suggestons by the experts?

They need to lower brightness which sorta kills the potential of this projector. They could use a ND filter on it which could cut the lumens down greaty.

Optoma HD 65
Screen 76" wide on Wall.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8008/optomahd65001ue4.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3535/optomahd65002cr8.jpg

Peter

Great detail on the pictures, also shows the brightness and pop this DLP has.

Hello all. i own an Optoma H27 bought more than a year ago. Im planning to upgrade to a 720p projector soon and i came across this HD65. My initial choice was the HD70. SO the question is, how does it compare to an old H27. My biggest worry is the RBE, as there r many negative comments on such factor here. With H27, RBE is never an issue to me, but with a brighter and higher Lumens of the HD65, im afraid it will becoming an issue to me. Thanks.

If you have no problem with the H27 you should be ok with the HD65. Buy from a dealer who has a return policy, usually with low hour usage.

OPTOMA HD 65 [REVIEW] [+FOTOS]

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1145/hd653d111etv1.jpg

Official web page of the product:
http://www.optomausa.com/Product_detail.asp?productsubcat=3&productcategory=Ho

me+Theater&product_id=341

Display Technology 0.62” DarkChip2 DLP® Technology by

Texas Instruments
Resolution Native 720p (1280 x 720)
Maximum Resolution 1080p (1920 x 1080)
Brightness 1600 Lumens
Contrast Ratio 4000:1 (Full On/Full Off)
Lamp Life (STD/ECO) Estimate at 2000/3000

Hours

-- It is really very small, lightweight, only 2Kg.

-- The finish is excellent, very beautiful too.

-- But the front ring corresponds to focus and put the rubber stopper, is lost the

focus for the next use.

-- The connection of first HDMI worked with the computer, recognizing and

generating the resolution 1280x720 automatically. The other connections worked at

first, he ftem a function of search, where he seeks connection which is receiving

signal.

-- Not done any calibration, image came with excellent color. More forward will

make a calibration and also a comparison.

-- A projection on the white wall really impressed me, without any preparation to

hit an excellent image quality. The only but is during the day, where a little more

clarity affected much the darker areas of the image.

Then some pictures during the day (camera compact and simple) of projections I made

once the projector arrived,:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8008/optomahd65001ue4.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3535/optomahd65002cr8.jpg


Pictures of the night projections I made with more calm and using a photographic

camera better:

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8201/optomahd65007br9.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5136/optomahd65008cz6.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9863/optomahd65010jt1.jpg



http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/672/optomahd65009sm8.jpg

Ratatouille 1080p:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4898/optomahd65003th0.jpg

Close-up:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2310/optomahd65006ka3.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5743/optomahd65005jj3.jpg

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1500/optomahd65004qk0.jpg


Display of 76 "wide right on white wall:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3341/optomahd65sala003ca5.jpg


Support temporary, source of the images, a PC and DVI> HDMI:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4350/optomahd65sala002my7.jpg


The room, everything still temporary:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4530/optomahd65sala001ie9.jpg


I am still studying whether support to buy, of roof or wall.

We saw Ratatouille 1080p and are impressed with the details, very interesting.

I am very pleased with the acquisition. Confess that I was worried, as a release,

but now I am much more calm.


Video:
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=YTfCaptXui0


Peter

Great pictures.....
I am impressed.

BTW do you have a Blu-Ray player in that PC?
Also what is the projection distance and the screen size...

I'm digging the star scene!! Is that wallpaper?

Great shots also!

Great pictures.....
I am impressed.

BTW do you have a Blu-Ray player in that PC?
Also what is the projection distance and the screen size...

Thanks.

I have a few films in high definition on the hard disk.

The distance between a wall and the other is 9.84251 ft. (3 meters)

The screen is 76" wide.



I'm digging the star scene!! Is that wallpaper?

Great shots also!

Thanks.

Printed on adhesive vinyl.

Is M31 Andromeda Galaxy.

Peter

I saw a little of the rainbow effect at last night, watching the movie Alien.

In scenes that show the stars. But the rest of the film not bothered me more.

Unfortunately we have to choose between the rainbow effect of the DLP projectors and screen door effect of LCD projectors.

Peter.

I just bought an HD70 @ CC with 200 rebate to upgrade from Panny AE300. They had the HD65. I have 30 days to return the HD70. Any major advantage of the HD65 over the HD70. The 2 hundred buck difference is not a deal breaker for me if there is an advantage with newer model.

$200 shouldn't hold you back from getting the new machine. The HD65 is more than twice as bright as the HD70 your pictures will stay brighter much longer. New colorwheel, newer brilliant color makes the brightness. Blacks are still very good and contrast is high.

I took some pictures yesterday playing Wii. The quality of the images is close to that I am seeing here is that used the same camera compact.

Enabled the option Widescreen in Wii, used the composite video cable, because not yet have cable video component of the Wii.

In the tests I made between composite video and component video watching on the DVD Player, the image of the video component is more sharpness.

So I have to get a decent camera and a video cable component for the Wii, I tests with more pictures and comparative.

For now, follow a few pictures:

Http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7550/wii003ph5.jpg

Http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3116/wii004dr0.jpg

Http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5332/wii002hl5.jpg


That last one is only to show the gain in field of vision on the screen wide playing with two people, because the quality of the photo was compromised:

Http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3082/wii001av8.jpg

Peter

Hi Guys

I just wanted to say thanks for posting some screenshots. The shot of the RAT under the bridge is great. It has excellent shadow detail.

I am planning to pick up the HD65 as soon as I get the funds together. I'm upgrading from a Benq PB6100, so I expect to be very pleased with the new machine.

Thanks again

Jason

Yes this one and the HD71 show a new level of brightness and color, you should be more then happy when you get one.

Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring
720p
HTPC - DVI > HDMI

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1445/optomahd65011wz1.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5827/optomahd65012jq1.jpg

Um abraço,
Peter

I have the HD65 and occationally the pj will lose the signal (e.g. DVD going from menu to actual movie play, or during Wii game plays) but does reacquire it after couple of seconds. Has anyone experienced that as well?

I have the HD65 and occationally the pj will lose the signal (e.g. DVD going from menu to actual movie play, or during Wii game plays) but does reacquire it after couple of seconds. Has anyone experienced that as well?

Press "Source Lock" on the remote control.

This will disable the ability to search for signal that the projector has.

Comment here if it worked.

Peter.

Peter,

I have the source lock turned on. I wonder it has to do with the fact that I am connecting component video output to the VGA port of the pj?

Thanks, I'll make the swap 70 to 65

I need help getting the superwide function to work.... I've done everything exactly the way it says in the manual but no luck.... anyone else having this problem ??

I don't get even the option on the menu when I connect from dvi dvd player to the hdmi pj input.

It works on the HD71 I have, over HDMI from a Tosh AX1. I watched two 2.35 movies in superwide scope today. Set the superwide option to auto, you need to use the vertical shift to up and raise the bottom of the screen up to get a clean fill. Easy with a electric screen like I have because it raises incremently. You might get lucky with a manual pull down and get just the right spot

What's interesting is once you have a screen set, if you run a 1.85 movie the aspect is ok, if you run a 4.3 movie it displays correctly also. Tzungilin, nice job on this setup.

I have found that the superwide feature only works on SD DVD's. And even then it pops in and out without warning. Even if you have it set to "on" and signal locked.

Nice idea, s h i t t y execution.

If you want it to work on HD-dvd's you need to set the overscan to approx. 10. It's a pain to always have to scan in and out. From now on I will leave it off.

I am using a toshiba A3 via component.
reuben9376, are you using component too?

Don't use set to on, use auto. I viewed HD-DVD and SD-DVD through HDMI,like I said in the above post and it worked perfectly. Didn't need overscan because of an electric screen. It's really made for a permanent setup on a 2.01 screen aspect. Optoma said they have a 2.01 screen planned for sale but I haven't seen it out yet.

If your aspect is still popping in and out there's something wrong with you machine.

I don't get even the option on the menu when I connect from dvi dvd player to the hdmi pj input.

It's under the display menu at the bottom. I just looked and it's there over component HDTV and confirmed over HDMI for HDTV or SDDVD. Keep trying people may be missing something, choose the auto choice not the on choice.

I will check tonight again - I do see the feature when I connect through component but not HDMI.

Ive tried with Hdmi and componet the superwide feature is there and Ive tried switching it from on to auto but nothing happens either way. Ive tried with SD DVD but no luck.

I did take a couple of screenshots...
Sd dvd from oppo 980 720p
draper 92 screen

Evil Dead " who wants some"
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/reuben9376/armyofdarkness.jpg

dumb and dumber "Hey, chicks love it. It's a shaggin-wagon!"
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/reuben9376/dumb.jpg

A River runs through it
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/reuben9376/riverruns.jpg

I did take a couple of screenshots...
Sd dvd from oppo 980 720p
draper 92 screen

Evil Dead " who wants some"
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/reuben9376/armyofdarkness.jpg

dumb and dumber "Hey, chicks love it. It's a shaggin-wagon!"
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/reuben9376/dumb.jpg

A River runs through it
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/reuben9376/riverruns.jpg

Not bad but still look not quite sharp, a little soft.

It has to be a 2.35 image for it to expand, a 1.85 will show no change under superwide which is a good thing. I do find it interesting the setup will show 1.85 in the same size it will pump up a 2.35 movie. Also will show a 4.3 movie pillar boxed correctly. Plus HDTV will fit correctly and HD-DVD thats 2.35 will show the blown up image. If your machines aren't doing this you should call the tech area and maybe they can help or set up a fix.

It has to be a 2.35 image for it to expand, a 1.85 will show no change under superwide which is a good thing. I do find it interesting the setup will show 1.85 in the same size it will pump up a 2.35 movie. Also will show a 4.3 movie pillar boxed correctly. Plus HDTV will fit correctly and HD-DVD thats 2.35 will show the blown up image. If your machines aren't doing this you should call the tech area and maybe they can help or set up a fix.

I sent tech support a email but no reply yet... Ive tried many 2.35 movies but still nothing ... Im going to call them tonight
thanks...

Email is slow or even no go, always call and ask for the tech area.

"Not bad but still look not quite sharp, a little soft"

To help out,
It's tricky to set the focus by yourself, I use a good pair of small binoculars while looking at the pixel corners of the projector menu screen. Very good item to have around once you get into large screen projectors. I'm getting sharp clear pixels across the whole screen with the HD71 I'm testing. Pictures have to be taken with a tripod, high res pictures I downscale to match computers 1024X768.

The other way to get the best focus is have a helper move the focus slowly while you nose up to the screen. Helpers do get a little tired/annoyed of this though. :)

well i think im going to let the hd65 go. I've had it for 2 weeks now and i love the picture but no matter how I much i move my apartment around I just cant get a good setup. Instead of moving i think im gonna try something else .. I purchased it new from a local store (big blue and yellow logo) i paid 1k for it and they want to charge me a 15% restocking fee ... So if anyones interested pm me... I'll let it go for that price (1k -15%) 30 hours on bulb in eco mode.

Put it on the ceiling. A tip for HD65 users. I mentioned this in the HD71 thread, a users image was noisy/grainy looking. I told him to adjust the blacks and whites with DVE/AVIA or even THX optimizer. Then for HT movie viewing he could lower the brilliant color feature. This should take care of any dithering noise you might see. Use the brilliant color in the daytime for TV/sports viewing.

i have the mitsu 1500 and i love it.. however after reading this thread i might return it and get the optoma. i do have one question, can i display a desktop (htpc) res and game res of 1920x1080 on this? through vga? i dont care about
running 1080p from blueray/hd sources, just whether or not i can display 1920x1080 form the pc.... also why does dvi/hdmi look like crap compared to vga from a pc?

The price of lamp is about $215 shipped in the UK. Now that rivals the Acer PH530 lamp prices in the US. Haven't seen any prices for the HD65 lamp in the US so far. Anyone?
This pj has got to be the new kid on the block if lamp is indeed around $200 in the US. It sure is a winner in the UK going for around $810.

i have the mitsu 1500 and i love it.. however after reading this thread i might return it and get the optoma. i do have one question, can i display a desktop (htpc) res and game res of 1920x1080 on this? through vga? i dont care about
running 1080p from blueray/hd sources, just whether or not i can display 1920x1080 form the pc.... also why does dvi/hdmi look like crap compared to vga from a pc?

It worked well at 1920x1080 pixels through Pc DVI> HDMI.
I am using the Nvidia 8800 GTS.

Peter

I made a support for the Optoma HD 65 and took the design and templates to a locksmith, in a day it ended.

Although I peskanje and paint in white to the finish.

For me he has a cost differential, but he told me that some charge $ 20 to manufacture one.

I already did in the measures that I needed and it was perfect.

I caught this idea of the spring and butterfly, I found some images from the Internet media DIY. The advantage is that I can control the inclination of the projector even the support being fixed.

It was quite strong. I believe that supports some 17,637 Lbs.

Look at the photos:

Http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/408/optomahd65019ky6.jpg

Http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2272/optomahd65018rf4.jpg

Http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5782/optomahd65022os6.jpg

Http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7351/optomahd65021ww5.jpg

Http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8926/optomahd65020tp2.jpg



Peter

Looks better than sitting on top of the Optoma box. :)
More precise with the spring design, simple and easy.
Nice job

Any plans for a screen? It's nice to have a black border around the 16.9 area. I suppose you could paint the area all around the video black, you would pick up allot more contrast.

Thanks Guitarman,


I do not want to put a black frame, because I watch movies in several different formats and bars would be ashes between the frame and image.

And my wife does not let me paint a wall of black.


Peter

I just picked up the Optoma HD640(HD65) from the Big C. with a free 92 inch Panoview Screen. This is my first projector, I'm blown away by the picture quality; not to mention the enormous size! My last TV was a 57 inch HD Toshiba RPTV that cost over $4000 just over 3 years ago. I was hopeing the contrast and Blacks would be improved over the RPTV and I was not dissapointed, excellent black level. I was gonna get the HD70 but by the time I got the money the HD65 was out, I'm so happy. All this for 1/4 of what I paid for the old TV, hehe.. One question though, I haven't messed with the settings too much;or calibrated it yet. Cause it looks so good OTB. But when watching Black Hawk Down I find the sand alittle too green, I've tried turning down color that helped alittle but I just cant get it right. Anyone experience this?

I used the calibration THX who came on the DVD of the movie Alien, but there are other films that comes with a calibration THX.

I think it is enough, because really this projector comes from factory with excellent color.

Peter

I have an Epson Pro Cinema 800. Decided to give the HD65 a try. I had the HD70 before the Epson, and liked it well enough. Not really happy with the HD65. I never had any problems with rainbows on the 70, but I see them here and there on the 65. Wonder if it is because of the new color wheel it has? The other thing that finalized my decision to take it back is that my dedicated theater room is in the basement. Got heater down there. Got it reasonably warm last night and even though I ran the projector in econo mode, it kicked up the fan 3 more levels by itself. Sounded like a PS3 on full jet turbine mode. Epson never does this. Granted, the HD65 looks fantastic, but with the more visible rainbows and the self regulating fan, it's going back, and I'll just buy a new bulb for the Epson.

Frankly, with the small size of the projector, I think they have a small fan it it, and it has to really crank up the speed to get some air moving it those small tight spaces. I don't understand why Optima would make something this small for a home theater projector. The 70 never kicked up the fan on me in the 14 months I had it. This one has done it several times.

Sure you didn't have the AI function on. AI would raise the fan sound for daylight scenes.

will this pj display anything thing higher than 1280x720 from a pc??

I have an Epson Pro Cinema 800. Decided to give the HD65 a try. I had the HD70 before the Epson, and liked it well enough. Not really happy with the HD65. I never had any problems with rainbows on the 70, but I see them here and there on the 65. Wonder if it is because of the new color wheel it has? The other thing that finalized my decision to take it back is that my dedicated theater room is in the basement. Got heater down there. Got it reasonably warm last night and even though I ran the projector in econo mode, it kicked up the fan 3 more levels by itself. Sounded like a PS3 on full jet turbine mode. Epson never does this. Granted, the HD65 looks fantastic, but with the more visible rainbows and the self regulating fan, it's going back, and I'll just buy a new bulb for the Epson.

Frankly, with the small size of the projector, I think they have a small fan it it, and it has to really crank up the speed to get some air moving it those small tight spaces. I don't understand why Optima would make something this small for a home theater projector. The 70 never kicked up the fan on me in the 14 months I had it. This one has done it several times.

The wheel spins just as fast as the HD70, it's 4x's speed. The HD65 is more than twice as bright as the HD70 that's why you're seeing rainbows more. Me I'm still not bothered by rainbows on the 1700 lumens HD65 and the 2400lumens HD71 which I'm now at about 50hrs of use on. Bummer if you have to let it go because I really like this level of brightness, you probably did also. :)

Peter,
This is gr8 work. But i cannot exactly understand how are you able to control the inclination with the rigid structure.

Regards,
Cheeks80



I made a support for the Optoma HD 65 and took the design and templates to a locksmith, in a day it ended.

Although I peskanje and paint in white to the finish.

For me he has a cost differential, but he told me that some charge $ 20 to manufacture one.

I already did in the measures that I needed and it was perfect.

I caught this idea of the spring and butterfly, I found some images from the Internet media DIY. The advantage is that I can control the inclination of the projector even the support being fixed.

It was quite strong. I believe that supports some 17,637 Lbs.

Look at the photos:

Http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/408/optomahd65019ky6.jpg

Http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2272/optomahd65018rf4.jpg

Http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5782/optomahd65022os6.jpg

Http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7351/optomahd65021ww5.jpg

Http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8926/optomahd65020tp2.jpg



Peter

Wing nuts adjust the inclination.
He installed screws without heads(or rod- probably just cut bolts), and uses the wing nuts to adjust....

hey GUITARMAN or anyone else does your hd65 make a high pitched noise on startup? mine does and Im not sure if I just haven't noticed it before or if its normal.

Wing nuts adjust the inclination.
...or rod- probably just cut bolts), and uses the wing nuts to adjust....

Thank you for answering the question, it was just that I made. :)

Peter

guitarman, yes the AI was off. The projector definately doesn't like the room warm at all. Really I didn't want to take it back because this projector looks FANTASTIC. I just couldn't live with the noise level when it decides to kick up the fan.

Hey, not sure if anyone's commented on this or not. I was just wondering how the black levels were compared to the Infocus SP-7210. This is a main concern to me, but if it's close maybe I'll go for the HD65 and get a gray screen. Let me know what you guys think since these two projectors are in the same price range. I want to get the best projector for my money, and there isn't anywhere that I can demo the projectors.

My first Screenshots from the HD65.
Source: Static images and HDRip file samples from laptop
Projected on 98 inch diagonal wall
Not calibrated. Will work on it this weekend.

Few static images. Not stretched to screen
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D052.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D048.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D046.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D045.jpg

PC- Browser

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D042.jpg

HDRip file samples
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D027.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D038.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D037.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D034.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D030.jpg

I am going to buy a projector for the business. We already have a 4:3 screen that they wont replace with a 16:9 screen. It will be for mostly power point but we will also get some HDTV viewing out of it. So my question is can this projector output all signals at 4:3 on a 4:3 screen with no image going off the screen especially through the VGA because if I buy this and it does not act like a 4:3 projector(we want some kind of HD though) I dont think the high ups will be very happy with me.

All 16x9 projectors set to project full width on a 4x3 screen will:
- project a 16x9 image with black bars at the top and bottom of the screen.
- project a 4x3 image with black bars on all four sides.
(You would have to adjust the distance to the screen for each aspect ratio to make the 4x3 PowerPoint image fill the screen. I don't know if any inexpensive projectors have enough of a zoom lens to avoid repositioning the projector.)

All 4x3 projectors set to project full width on a 4x3 screen will:
- project a 16x9 image with black bars at the top and bottom of the screen.
- project a 4x3 image that fills the screen.

As I said in the other thread where you asked this question, many inexpensive XGA 4x3 projectors can display a very nice HD image - even if it is not quite full HD (XGA is only 576x1024 in HD mode.

A 4x3 project with full HD capability (or better like the 1400 x 1050 Optoma 910) are available but for much more money. It might be cheaper to buy a 16x9 screen if you insist on 720x1280 or better for HD mode.

All 16x9 projectors set to project full width on a 4x3 screen will:
- project a 16x9 image with black bars at the top and bottom of the screen.
- project a 4x3 image with black bars on all four sides.
(You would have to adjust the distance to the screen for each aspect ratio to make the 4x3 PowerPoint image fill the screen. I don't know if any inexpensive projectors have enough of a zoom lens to avoid repositioning the projector.)

All 4x3 projectors set to project full width on a 4x3 screen will:
- project a 16x9 image with black bars at the top and bottom of the screen.
- project a 4x3 image that fills the screen.

As I said in the other thread where you asked this question, many inexpensive XGA 4x3 projectors can display a very nice HD image - even if it is not quite full HD (XGA is only 576x1024 in HD mode.

A 4x3 project with full HD capability (or better like the 1400 x 1050 Optoma 910) are available but for much more money. It might be cheaper to buy a 16x9 screen if you insist on 720x1280 or better for HD mode.

Thank you. That is the reply I was looking for. All my questions are answered(for now).

My first Screenshots from the HD65.
Source: Static images and HDRip file samples from laptop
Projected on 98 inch diagonal wall
Not calibrated. Will work on it this weekend.

Few static images. Not stretched to screen
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D052.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D048.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D046.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D045.jpg

PC- Browser

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D042.jpg

HDRip file samples
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D027.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D038.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D037.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D034.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D030.jpg


Impressive pictures!!!!

I calibrated the Optoma HD65 with THX DVD's "extras" of the movie Alien.

Peter

Some more...

This is a good PJ. The only thing I wish is good colour out of box like the IN72 I had.

These are from HDRip files and the Cars one is from trailer. I am sure with PS3 or a HDDVD you will get much better picture.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D026.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D020.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D004.jpg

Brilliant color II, pretty cool heh?
Great pictures

Wow, the colors on that last one really pop! Guitarman, would you say the colors on the HD71 are just as vibrant? I'm trying to decide between these two projectors, and I'm wondering if the HD65 surpasses the HD71 in any way.

They're both a similar breed, but if the money didn't matter I pick the HD71 for the brighter bulb. The larger case has the machine running cooler, whether that matters I don't know, cooler is better I guess. But it's definitely a good amount brighter.

If the money difference does matter you're still getting a great projector in the HD65.

guitarman, yes the AI was off. The projector definately doesn't like the room warm at all. Really I didn't want to take it back because this projector looks FANTASTIC. I just couldn't live with the noise level when it decides to kick up the fan.
Over the weekend I noticed that the fan on mine was kicking in to a higher gear. I thought something was wrong or I had changed the bulb setting. But when I checked, everything was set properly.

With my old NEC, I used to keep the heating vent in my theater room (a small bedroom) closed. The NEC produced plenty of heat to warm the room. But when I got the new unit, it didn't seem to send out as much heat so I opened the vent. I wonder if closing the vent would make a difference...

I don't think this will be a deal breaker, but I would prefer the fan just stay at one speed. I guess that's the price of such a small projector.

Well, I did some calibration of the Projector yesterday.

I felt the projector requires it you can see the difference in the next two set of images

1. Before calibration - It is bit dark and not sure if the color is right.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D004.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/HD65/D011.jpg



2. After Calibration - Look at the shadow detail now. Look at the wooden frame to the ceiling on the left. The front right and rear right tyre. The black car at the back. All showing more details. Very nice. Colors also looking good too at least to me. Look at the road surface in the 2nd shot more detail now

I have reduced brilliant color to 2.


http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/D003.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/D001.jpg

Take another look, I tried lowering brilliant color and what I noticed is you lose vibrancy and rich color saturation, contrast and ansi contrast also. If you want more black detail first try video gamma instead of film, or raise brightness one number or so.

I see on these new machines with brilliant color 2 they're much more natural looking and not so way off like the early machines. Looks like the company has a better handle on how to deal with the new brilliant color.

Over the weekend I noticed that the fan on mine was kicking in to a higher gear. I thought something was wrong or I had changed the bulb setting. But when I checked, everything was set properly.

With my old NEC, I used to keep the heating vent in my theater room (a small bedroom) closed. The NEC produced plenty of heat to warm the room. But when I got the new unit, it didn't seem to send out as much heat so I opened the vent. I wonder if closing the vent would make a difference...

I don't think this will be a deal breaker, but I would prefer the fan just stay at one speed. I guess that's the price of such a small projector.


The machine does get hotter than the other one. I haven't noticed a fan change on the 71. I could ask for a firmware to delete the HD65's fan sensing heat and kicking in. Not sure if Optoma would recommend it though. I'll see

Some more shots I took after 1st level of calibration. Still need to work on it till I am satisfied. Next time will use the THX tool.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/D024.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/D023.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/D022.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/D021.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/D020.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/D019.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/D018.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l150/anibap/D016.jpg

Anirbaba,

Are you going to post your setting numbers? I just installed a HD65 after my HD70 went bad.

Thanks in advance for the information.