I posted my latest settings a few pages back. Since mine should be coming with the latest firmware I will have to work at them again. :)

Latest update is they replaced the power supply (again) and are now waiting for a new lamp. I am waiting for a call from the technician so I can tell him that is exactly what they did the last time it was there. And since I put hours on very quickly I will tell him to expect it back late next month! It has to be something else. I hope he "gets" it when he calls me... :eek:

Awesome! ^ http://www.entertainment-place.info/smile/img/2659/*************************


Sure is. :)

You really might want to consider that the sound you are hearing is hum caused by DC current on your AC line. This isn't necessarily a problem in your house itself. These design of these power supplies might make them sensitive to this. It can be fixed. See here. (http://www.psaudio.com/ps/wiki/Hum/)

It seems pretty textbook from what you are describing.

You really might want to consider that the sound you are hearing is hum caused by DC current on your AC line. This isn't necessarily a problem in your house itself. These design of these power supplies might make them sensitive to this. It can be fixed. See here. (http://www.psaudio.com/ps/wiki/Hum/)

It seems pretty textbook from what you are describing.

So why would it suddenly appear with this particular PJ. I have never had an issue with my previous 200, vw60, vw100 and the recent FPJ1/RS2 and RS20. And never with my Optoma DLPs and whatever brand I had briefly before them. Could it suddenly just show up? Seriously. :eek:

Another thing. Would it be a consistent noise if it was electrical related or would it gradually get worse (louder) which is what happened. The last time I had it on it was a very high pitched noise and not the cricket type. You could hear it before you got down the steps...

Hopefully I can speak to the "head" technician sometime today...

There could be several explanations that are consistent with the cause of the noise being mechanical hum and it only appearing on your latest 200 and not your earlier PJs. First is that your power company is doing something different and whatever this is has introduced DC current on the AC line. Another explanation is that Sony is now using new power supplies and these are more prone to hum. Another explanation is that the particular PSU that is in your projector may have had less varnish or super glue applied (or maybe it was improperly applied) to the laminations in the PSU.

The sound would likely vary. From the link:

If you suffer from this noise problem, you’ve probably also noticed that it’s intensity varies depending on the time of day, sometimes even the time of month. The reason it varies is due, in large part, to the quality of the AC line voltage and how much DC is on it.


I hope that the new PSU fixes the issue for you. If not, try the Humbuster product. It is a risk-free trial.

I have no connection at all to the company and have never even used any of their products. I have been told by others who do know that they very well.

I appreciate it Lawguy. When I get back the 200 I will try one if it starts up again. And since I have my outlet in a nice "box" in the ceiling I could easily connect it in there (where I have the Monster AV Surge) and hear if that does the trick. I am never afraid to try "new" things. :)

I appreciate it Lawguy. When I get back the 200 I will try one if it starts up again. And since I have my outlet in a nice "box" in the ceiling I could easily connect it in there (where I have the Monster AV Surge) and hear if that does the trick. I am never afraid to try "new" things. :)

Hopefully you won't need it.

Good luck!

Joerod. Your problem is not caused by any DC component of you power. It is not a ground loop problem which BTW has nothing to do with DC either. Your monster or other pl conditioner probably won`t help your problem either any more than a cheap spike AC overvoltage protector.. With ground loops you would see hum bars traveling on the screen.


The Sony operates over a switch mode power supply (SWPS). No need for big transformers which can hum. Your problem isn`t hum. Its failing SMPS, The starter is starting to fail. You start to get multiple pings. Not right and Sony replaces the whole thing. Why does it fail? I don`t know. You might ask the Sony tech what might of happened to cause the failure. He won`t say DC on the line. He won`t say ground loops or noise. About the only thing that might cause it was high voltage spikes on the AC line. If that`s the case, an overvoltage protector might help. Every powe conditioner has one, they cost say 25 cents. They just shoot the overvoltage to ground before it starts to fry your powerr supply.

All PSUs have transformers. All transformers can hum, they don't have to be big, whatever big means.

Lawguy. DC on the line can cause certain noise problems as described by PM, the P in PS Audio. DC causes mechanical hum. Most hum problems are cause by AC ground loops.

Joerod is describing problems not related to hum. He is singing byt not humming. Whoops, his PJ is pinging, not singing. It is a failing start circuitry in the SWPS supply. this has been a history with the Sony`s. Usually the problem isn`t severe, the thing keeps starting, but near the end of the warranty period it should be replaced to avoid a high cost repair later plus you can get other wear issues addressed such as replacement of a nosier than it should be fan.

Sounds like he is describing mechanical hum. This is the insect-like noise (they are calling it crickets in this thread) that is described in the PS audio link.

I never thought it was a ground loop.

Of course, the chirping is coming from inside the PJ and not from a speaker. Not a ground loop. Some thing is sounding like Jiminy Chirp. But I doubt that sound would be made by DC hitting a transformer in the SMPS. If DC line component were going to be a problem, the solution involves adding some diodes or other minor components to the circuit. BUT The SMPS already would them assuming it is properly designed. Siny engineering is not dumb and they have had numerous failures with the SMPS and lamp. If a running mod like adding the diodes we forget whoops, they would have a running mod. Its something else. Nothing that adding diodes would fix,

Yes, adding diodes to the line in series is exactly the fix for mechanical hum. This is what the Humbuster does.

I just got off the phone with Jose' the Chief Technician. He plans to "comb" over the PJ and look for something else that also might be causing the issue. He said their first course of action is power supply and lamp. He will look at start up chain and go from there. He also said when they send it back if it does start up again they would just replace it with a new VW200. This will be the third new lamp put in this one and it has only about 300 hours total time! :eek: I guess it is pretty new already... There just waiting for the new lamp to get there then they plan to test it and send it back (in the meantime they are looking it over again)...

My late Friday update... I tried to type in the work order number on their website and it didn't give any info. Said I had to call. Since Laredo was already closed I called "Prime" support. They were able to tell me they received the backordered part (the lamp) on Friday. I guess I won't know anymore until Tuesday...

Update.... The parts have been replaced (including new lamp) and they are "officially" looking to see if there is something else wrong... :eek:

Update.... The parts have been replaced (including new lamp) and they are "officially" looking to see if there is something else wrong... :eek:

OH DEAR - it seems like they should send a NEW ONE http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

OH DEAR - it seems like they should send a NEW ONE http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

Here's to hoping... :D

The latest... They received another part to put in it today... So now they will have changed the Lamp Power Supply, put a new Lamp in it and according to what I was told today they are doing the part Mark mentioned (Starter Supply)... They said that should be done today and they will ship it back Next Day shortly... If I were a betting person I would guess Monday or at the earliest Friday it would leave Laredo... I have a busy weekend already so I can go another weekend without...

Just checked the status "for the heck of it" and it now says updating status... :eek:

Basically, you are getting all the wearable parts replaced except for the chips. The chips, drive circuits, optics couldn`t be causing the problem. A new one wouldn`t be much different than your repaired one. It might be a design issue with something weird going on at your house. I dunno.

Basically, you are getting all the wearable parts replaced except for the chips. The chips, drive circuits, optics couldn`t be causing the problem. A new one wouldn`t be much different than your repaired one. It might be a design issue with something weird going on at your house. I dunno.

I doubt if it is something at my house since out of all of the PJs I have had up there (quite a bit) this is the only one ever to have a problem. And since my fist VW200 was flawless and the fact that this exact VW200 was in Laredo (for the same issue) last August that is proof enough that it is the PJ. I agree, no point in getting a brand new one now. This repaired one should be like getting a brand new one that has been tested. Plus a new Lamp will also make it feel like a new one... :)

Isn't there a lemon law for projectors, too? I've always had good fortune with Sony so I'm a bit surprised. You'd figure that with the amount of issues with this particular VW200 it might be time to retire it and send you out a new one.

Any word yet on a new Sony high end projector? That "VW90" or something along those lines?

How does "A Bug's Life" look on this projector? I have an older Yamaha 720p that will be replaced by the new Sony this fall (I have decided to skip over the VW200 for the next big thing from Sony...nothing against the 200 but I have decide to wait for higher tech vs. the Xenon bulb) and it looks awesome on 720p...I can't even imagine what a 1080p projector can do with this remarkable disc.

I just picked up A Bug's Life and it looked great on my new Panny 1080p 50" plasma. According to Sony if it has to go back to Laredo one more time they will just send a new one. They have a 3 strikes rule. I don't think it is a large number of 200s that have had this issue. I know my very first never made a sound. I know others who have them and have never had a single issue. The VW90 without the Xenon will still not be able to compete with the 200 in terms of color. If it had 240hz that would be something to think about it. I don't think there are any plans for a 300 for a pretty long time. Mark would be our "go to guy" for the latest info n the Sony PJs coming.... :)

So the Xenon bulb is the deal breaker for you. Is it that good? I have not seen the VW200 in action but I have seen a lot of the newer technologically advanced projectors and they looked pretty darn good to me. I would think if a new Sony projector emerged this fall it would better than the 200 across the board....save for the bulb. At least that's what I'm hoping for :-)

It would take 240hz and much better contrast to make me give up the 200 for a VW90. The Xenon lamp is that good. If you haven't seen the 200 in action with the Xenon Lamp(beautiful/accurate colors) then don't. ;)

Many of my Sony friemds are gone. May 29 was their last day. We will all be getting Sony from a distributor now. I have no new information since Cedia. The 90 willl be better in every way from the 200 except for the Xenon bulb. also the lenses will be the same. I don`t I will know anything more until Cedia in early september absent any official info from Sony perhaps very shortly before Cedia.

I think Sony just doesn`t very many people care about Xenon and the added cost of a zenon including much more expensive bulb replacement costs.

Thanks to joerod and Mark for the information. Mark, if you had the choice between the 200 and the "90" knowing the 90 would be superior to the 200 in all ways but the bulb...which one would you choose?
Thanks.

Many of my Sony friemds are gone. May 29 was their last day. We will all be getting Sony from a distributor now. I have no new information since Cedia. The 90 willl be better in every way from the 200 except for the Xenon bulb. also the lenses will be the same. I don`t I will know anything more until Cedia in early september absent any official info from Sony perhaps very shortly before Cedia.

I think Sony just doesn`t very many people care about Xenon and the added cost of a zenon including much more expensive bulb replacement costs.

You can get a replacement bulb for 339$ on ebay now.:eek: That´s not "expensive" at all. Think most of us here on AVSF should manage to change a bulb! You just screw it in, right!:D

I will definitely compare them... :)

The VW200 still has not cleared customs. It looks like it won't be here today. :mad:

The VW200 still has not cleared customs. It looks like it won't be here today. :mad:

They have CUSTOMS in Texas?

I guess it went to Mexico first? Or maybe Laredo is so close? I have know I idea but I just got off the phone wit UPS... :eek:

I guess it went to Mexico first? Or maybe Laredo is so close? I have know I idea but I just got off the phone wit UPS... :eek:

Nothing would got to Mexico and then Back Again ;)

Mexico doesn't make any sense. They get the techs from Mexico maybe.

I would choose the new 90 but this is sight unseen. We will have to wait and see exactly what it is and how it performs. I don't think I would pay double for a Xenon. But I clearly would pay several thousand more, all else being equal.

Mexico doesn't make any sense. They get the techs from Mexico maybe.

I would choose the new 90 but this is sight unseen. We will have to wait and see exactly what it is and how it performs. I don't think I would pay double for a Xenon. But I clearly would pay several thousand more, all else being equal.

Maybe I can make a BUSINESS out of upgrading a 90 with Xenon ;)

A while back my Xbox broke and Microsoft had me send it to some Texas border town for repair. It turns out that the actual repair facility is in Mexico. MS just trucks them in from Texas. Cheaper that way. Look at Laredo on a map. I bet Sony does the same thing.

Maybe I can make a BUSINESS out of upgrading a 90 with Xenon ;)

What benefit would you get from that?

Xenon and UHP lamps just emit different quantities of usuable light. Xenon lamps are closer to 6500k than UHP lamps so less light is wasted in calibrating a projector with a Xenon lamp than in calibrating a projector with a UHP lamp.

If, after calibration, you have the same usuable lumens, and the only variable is the lamp, you will see no difference because there is no difference.

What benefit would you get from that?

Xenon and UHP lamps just emit different quantities of usuable light. Xenon lamps are closer to 6500k than UHP lamps so less light is wasted in calibrating a projector with a Xenon lamp than in calibrating a projector with a UHP lamp.

If, after calibration, you have the same usuable lumens, and the only variable is the lamp, you will see no difference because there is no difference.

Don't ask me - all the other Experts here believe the Xenon generates
more accurate color.

Don't ask me - all the other Experts here believe the Xenon generates
more accurate color.

It does is a sense, but if you have a projector that permits proper calibration, those advantages are mooted.

See this (http://optoelectronics.perkinelmer.com/content/whitepapers/wtp_xenonvsmercury.pdf)from the manufacturer of the Xenon lamps that Sony uses. Remember that this is sales literature, but even it does not really oversell what Xenon can do.

It does is a sense, but if you have a projector that permits proper calibration, those advantages are mooted.

See this (http://optoelectronics.perkinelmer.com/content/whitepapers/wtp_xenonvsmercury.pdf)from the manufacturer of the Xenon lamps that Sony uses. Remember that this is sales literature, but even it does not really oversell what Xenon can do.

Yup - that is the BULB I buy ;)

The less filtering the better. Dealing with spikes, a limit to the number or gray scale steps.
DC. Lots of advantages but they don't mean you can't have good results with UHP.

Trust me, I know Mexico does not make sense. I have 2 different tracking numbers. Both say it is in UPS SCS possesion. I wasn't super dissapointed that I did not get it today but will definitely be if it does not make it here tomorrow. I was planning to watch a few movies (catch up) and since I just got 5 new titles in that would be perfect.

Its out of your control. It will be what it is. Thank God its not an organ you need for a transplant.

2 Tracking #'s?
Maybe you will get 2!
Would be nice to have a spare.

The less filtering the better. Dealing with spikes, a limit to the number or gray scale steps.
DC. Lots of advantages but they don't mean you can't have good results with UHP.

Agreed with all but your grayscale comment.

Its out of your control. It will be what it is. Thank God its not an organ you need for a transplant.

Amen to that! :D

2 Tracking #'s?
Maybe you will get 2!
Would be nice to have a spare.

I would freak if two of these showed up. :)

i would freak if two of these showed up. :)

stack! Stack! Stack! :)

It's here!!!! Only one though. :D

It's here!!!! Only one though. :D

Did they leave the Crickets in Mexico.

Maybe that is why it went to Mexico before it went to you [GRIN]!

Crickets are gone!!! :) And I didn't need the $300 Humbuster III! :D Seriously though, so far so good. I am putting it through a marathon as I post this. I have a lot of catching up to do Blu ray wise. :)

And I started the lamp timer over at zero since they put a new one in. I shall keep track in case they start chirping. Hopefully it remains solid... :)

You can't stack digitals. You just can't align the grids. For non HT use, such as large presentation screens. Data presentations where you need LIGHT, than a stack will do the trick. Butnot if you want HT resolution and sharpness.

Joe. What does the other tracking number say under status?

They were different but matched time of delivery. I have had it on for awhile now and it seems perfectly fine. :)

Maybe one tracking # was to get it over the border and the other is to deliver within the States. If you were so lucky to get two 200's I'd have been more than happy to take care of half your "burden" :-)

I'll remember that. :)

Great return night with the VW200. Dead silent, great picture, no issues and it was very easy to set up again. I forgot how a new lamp really makes the VW200 shine at first! I really like them when they are at about 200 to 300 hours on the lamp though. Anyway, I will spend the next night or two finishing my Pioneer 23FD/320 review. I have plenty of new material to get to so this should be like cake. :)

While one's UPS shipping computer generates a tracking number when the label is printed, UPS has no record of its existence until the driver picks the package up and scans the tracking number. Then shortly thereafter, when it gets to the first terminal, the number gets entered into the UPS tracking system. Strange then how there could be two label;s for one package. One of the mysteries of life I guess.

Mark's right. Very strange. Both tracking numbers were sent at the same time. One was the 1z the other was a 9 digit one. :eek:

Watched another movie last night. Very quiet again. I am glad I didn't have to spend $300 on a humbuster III! :D Thanks Mark! :) We are having people over tonite to watch a couple more so I guess officially my theater is back open. :)

Watched another movie last night. Very quiet again. I am glad I didn't have to spend $300 on a humbuster III! :D Thanks Mark! :) We are having people over tonite to watch a couple more so I guess officially my theater is back open. :)

So, what was the reason they gave for the nose? What was the part that fixed it? Or, just several and one did the job?

The latest... They received another part to put in it today... So now they will have changed the Lamp Power Supply, put a new Lamp in it and according to what I was told today they are doing the part Mark mentioned (Starter Supply)... They said that should be done today and they will ship it back Next Day shortly... If I were a betting person I would guess Monday or at the earliest Friday it would leave Laredo... I have a busy weekend already so I can go another weekend without...

Here's what they did.

I hate to post this but we watched Twilight lastnite and it looked terrific. My guests were shocked how good it looked. I was to since it had been almost 3 weeks since I had the VW200 up. Colors were spot on and and the sharpness showed details even in the blankets! I also appreciated the nice black levels and even more so the nice motion handling during pans. The 2 and a half week journey was worth it.

Here's what they did.

Thanks, yes, now I remember it:D

I have put the 200 thru a loooong tough marathon weekend It is still performing perfectly fine (knock on wood)... :)

How are you performing? :)

How are you performing? :)

Little soar but still hanging in there. Wife just got back from an all girls vacation (like the movie 'The Descent' minus the monsters)... :D

With the 200 I have been paying more attention to starts and being extra careful with regards to when I turn it on and off. :)

With the 200 I have been paying more attention to starts and being extra careful with regards to when I turn it on and off. :)

How so? What did you do before and now? I gather that you think this may have an effect on the projector?

How so? What did you do before and now? I gather that you think this may have an effect on the projector?

I am sure it doesn't have any real effect. I am just more worried about a cricket or two jumping back in. :)

We watched the Blu ray Australia and my jaw hit the floor. Absolutely stunning visuals. My family really enjoyed it and I really thought it was like watching two movies in one. Cattle/WWII movies. :) Anyway, I am still waiting for the new lamp to settle down so I can calibrate again...

If anybody with a VW200, VW80, or VW70 is in the Seattle area and interested in investigating what happens in slow motion I would love to be able to take some high speed video with a new camera I have and check out what the projector is doing down at the frame level. I sold my VW80 to somebody on the other side of the country a while ago, so not easy to use that one.

If anybody has one and is interested, just let me know. A VW60 could be interesting too.

--Darin

...:) Anyway, I am still waiting for the new lamp to settle down ...

Hey, who is the boss in that house anyhow? ;) :D

If anybody with a VW200, VW80, or VW70 is in the Seattle area and interested in investigating what happens in slow motion I would love to be able to take some high speed video with a new camera I have and check out what the projector is doing down at the frame level. I sold my VW80 to somebody on the other side of the country a while ago, so not easy to use that one.

If anybody has one and is interested, just let me know. A VW60 could be interesting too.

--Darin

I'd send you my 200 but I just got it back from Laredo after a 3 week hiatus. It would be interesting to see how well it handles motion even with DFI and MF both off. Good idea. :)

Hey, who is the boss in that house anyhow? ;) :D

Now that made my day. :)

UPDATE...

I have now hit the 50 hour mark and still going strong (quiet). I will be putting some very heavy hours in soon with my Summer Blu ray player shootout coming. From others here I have been told the magic hour number is between 300 and 350. I guess time will tell. :)

UPDATE...

I have now hit the 50 hour mark and still going strong (quiet). I will be putting some very heavy hours in soon with my Summer Blu ray player shootout coming. From others here I have been told the magic hour number is between 300 and 350. I guess time will tell. :)

Mine is still fine at 400 hours. High cooler setting as standard now.;)

I actually didn't mind the high cool setting. That is good news. :)

I have been having an intermittent problem with my VW200. I run a pretty long (35 foot) component cord to my projector, which is across the room from my comcast hi def tuner and AV receiver. Once in a while, the picture starts to get some kind of distortion where horizontal bands of the picture will start jerking right and left across the picture with jitter and sometimes the picture will contract vertically with the bands of jerkiness. It will start on a few bands and then eventually get worse with horizontal parts of the picture twitching back and forth, sometimes occupying the whole frame and making watching very problematic. I will turn off the unit and tighten the contacts of the component cable and it will seem to get better for a while, then start again during programming at unpredictable times. I am not really sure this is a cable related problem. The output to my hi def computer screen from the alternate output of the AV receiver does not show it. Also, I have not been able to get it to occur when I connect my laptop to the computer input RGB port.
Does this mean I am in for a trip to the repair facility?

I have been having an intermittent problem with my VW200. I run a pretty long (35 foot) component cord to my projector, which is across the room from my comcast hi def tuner and AV receiver. Once in a while, the picture starts to get some kind of distortion where horizontal bands of the picture will start jerking right and left across the picture with jitter and sometimes the picture will contract vertically with the bands of jerkiness. It will start on a few bands and then eventually get worse with horizontal parts of the picture twitching back and forth, sometimes occupying the whole frame and making watching very problematic. I will turn off the unit and tighten the contacts of the component cable and it will seem to get better for a while, then start again during programming at unpredictable times. I am not really sure this is a cable related problem. The output to my hi def computer screen from the alternate output of the AV receiver does not show it. Also, I have not been able to get it to occur when I connect my laptop to the computer input RGB port.
Does this mean I am in for a trip to the repair facility?

As this is the VW200 thread, lets start by eliminating it as the problem. This you can do by using another component output source (like a DVD player) and a new shorter cable to the VW200 component input. If that works fine its not the VW200. You will then have to look at your source units and most likely the long cable. You might need a better quality cable or you might have to use some extra boosting/amplification for it. But thats another story, check out the VW200 first. Good luck!

Like I said, it is unpredictable and plugging and unplugging makes it go away for a while. I was wondering if anybody had a similar observation. If it were predictable and I could induce it, it would be easier to diagnose.

Has it ever happened with a HDMI input? I ask because it sounds like it is your component cable. Which brand is it? I had a 35 foot Monster HDMI cable going to my VW200 awhile back and never experienced a single loss. The biggest clue is when you mentioned if you tighten the connection it comes back awhile. You have two choices, like Thunder said either get a booster or get a different component cable.

Like I said, it is unpredictable and plugging and unplugging makes it go away for a while. I was wondering if anybody had a similar observation. If it were predictable and I could induce it, it would be easier to diagnose.

I'm sure you have legitimate reasons WHY you are using
Component instead of HDMI.

But using Component means you are NOT sending 1080p to
the VW200 - thereby not seeing the full potential of the VW200.

My AV receiver only has component inputs and outputs. My hi def tuner from comcast outputs only 1080i. I can get an HDMI cord and try that directly from the hdmi tuner, but component puts out a lovely picture and the VW 200 upscales it, anyway.
I guess nobody right off the bat knows about this kind of problem, so I guess I will just wait and try a long HDMI cable.

My AV receiver only has component inputs and outputs. My hi def tuner from comcast outputs only 1080i. I can get an HDMI cord and try that directly from the hdmi tuner, but component puts out a lovely picture and the VW 200 upscales it, anyway.
I guess nobody right off the bat knows about this kind of problem, so I guess I will just wait and try a long HDMI cable.

I would seriously suggest at least a HDMI switcher that will allow you to use a Blu ray player that can upconvert you SD dvds well. Then you could use the analog out for the advanced codecs or invest in a receiver with HDMI. The VW200 really shines with HDMI inputs... :)

Something else I did seem to notice more today than when I first got it back from Laredo. When I turn it on it does not make that harsh whine noise that it did from before it went in. It is very quiet (polite-if you will) and non dramatic. I guess that must be from their new start kit? Anyway, still so far so good. I approaching the 60 hour mark. I am expecting the DVD-A1 here and the 4310 as well and will be logging some heavy hours soon. :)

I recently paired up the VW200 with the new Denon DVD-A1 player and have had very good results.

Some Twilight....

I hope my VW60 gets to and from Laredo as quickly as your 200.

It's leaving tomorrow to see if they can straighten out the upper right hand edge of the picture/black bar. The picture is about 3/8" of an inch or so high and is really starting to bug me with 1.85 material on my 1.78 screen. The bottom bar is straight.

I've done everything I can both ceiling and table top mounted, but the last straw was when my niece saw the picture for the first time and mentioned it. Other than this, I've had a lot of good times and excellent pictures with my Black Pearl.

It shouldn't be to bad. When you get it back it should be as good as new. :)

Our projector is on the floor with a cool draft from underneath :)so this will possibly extend lamp life compared to units up in the hot ceiling but I wonder what lamp life experience has been with you guys?

The one here is approaching 2000 hours but is still very watchable although I am finding more fiddling with brighness and contrast is becoming necessary.:o I have two spare bulbs (not the complete lamp units) so am ready to move when the time comes.

John

I recently paired up the VW200 with the new Denon DVD-A1 player and have had very good results.

Hi Joe,
Thx for the pics. I can't figure out which movie the 4th shot is from(002). The one with the guy and girl in the woods.

Friday The 13th 2009. :)

Friday The 13th 2009. :)

ahhh, of course, thx... ^)^

No problem. :)

Joe those pictures look great. The VW200 has a richness and accuracy to its colors that I attribute to that Xenon lamp.

Joe those pictures look great. The VW200 has a richness and accuracy to its colors that I attribute to that Xenon lamp.

I couldn't agree more with you. It is very hard to find fault with it. Now if I could just decide which Blu ray player to keep! :eek: :)

Joe,
You're killing me with all of those great pics...I really miss my old girlfriend!!!
Capt'n

I miss my young girlfriend,

Joe,
You're killing me with all of those great pics...I really miss my old girlfriend!!!
Capt'n

Sorry, I will stop posting pics of her. :D Seriously though, I couldn't thank you enough. I probably do everytime we watch a movie. :)

Joe,

Hope you get a chuckle out of this ... obviously due to my location I'm always reading AVS when you guys are off line ... but I can always count on seeing this thread on the first page and when I look to the right it's always your name as the last post.

Are you a "must have the last word" kind of guy ? :p



Happily enjoying my VW-60 .....

Joe,

Hope you get a chuckle out of this ... obviously due to my location I'm always reading AVS when you guys are off line ... but I can always count on seeing this thread on the first page and when I look to the right it's always your name as the last post.

Are you a "must have the last word" kind of guy ? :p



Happily enjoying my VW-60 .....

Seriously no. It's just a lot of the posts in this thread are directed at me. I try to answer them which always leaves me as the last poster. You are right though, it does appear I am obsessed. :D

Do me a favor, post again and I promise I will not follow it up until a new topic or post question hits. ;):)

It shouldn't be to bad. When you get it back it should be as good as new. :)

Took five days to UPS it from California to Texas. So I guess I'm looking at least a three week turnaround, as they quote seven to ten days once they receive it.

My Oppo 83 is making beautiful music from the two channel outs, so that's how I'll pass the time.

They will probably overnight it so hopefully 2 weeks. Hang in there. By next Wed you should be able to put your work number in their site ad see what is going on.

Here is the 200 in Cinema (pic 1) and Dynamic (pic 2). I only took these shots because someone posted one (same screen) in the Blu ray section claiming the PS3 looked as good as a highend Blu ray player. Don't get me wrong, I love the PS3 but I couldn't get this good of an image if I spend all day on it.

Warning: CaptainZ don't look! :)

The Patriot. :)

Loosely Pictures - Get a good PJ - WILL YOU http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

Older movies don't really have the crispness in their transfers IMO.

Movies starting from around 4 years ago even on DVD have much better quality on video and audio. I was shocked to see the clarity of "The International" on DVD. It was so good. I can't imagine how good it will be on Blu-Ray. It's on my blu-ray list to purchase.

Joe: The Patriot shots are really poor.You've posted much better shots in the past. Plus, it makes a hell of a difference with a good camera. The new high-end Canons are special.

Older movies don't really have the crispness in their transfers IMO.

Movies starting from around 4 years ago even on DVD have much better quality on video and audio. I was shocked to see the clarity of "The International" on DVD. It was so good. I can't imagine how good it will be on Blu-Ray. It's on my blu-ray list to purchase.

Joe: The Patriot shots are really poor.You've posted much better shots in the past. Plus, it makes a hell of a difference with a good camera. The new high-end Canons are special.

They were actually only posted for the Holiday and weren't meant to be "special" screenshots. Geez... I will delete the post since it is now the 5th... Tough crowd! :D

They were actually only posted for the Holiday and weren't meant to be "special" screenshots. Geez... I will delete the post since it is now the 5th... Tough crowd! :D

Did you expect a EASY CROWD http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

Did you expect a EASY CROWD http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

Guess not. :)

Better stick to this type of screenshot...

Guess not. :)

Better stick to this type of screenshot...

Much Better - Joe - no people with discolored faces ;)

Or maybe these will do?

Sent in 1080p/60 from a Denon 4310CI which came from a DirecTV HD DVR 1080i source. Not bad at all. I think my days of having a VP in my set up are officially over... :)

Oh and DR don't misjudge a beautiful tan (from these pics) for discolored faces.... ;)

Oh and DR don't misjudge a beautiful tan (from these pics) for discolored faces.... ;)

Color GOOD ALL OVER NOW http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

Or maybe these will do?

Sent in 1080p/60 from a Denon 4310CI which came from a DirecTV HD DVR 1080i source. Not bad at all. I think my days of having a VP in my set up are officially over... :)

Oh and DR don't misjudge a beautiful tan (from these pics) for discolored faces.... ;)

I thought for a second that rastargate's thread had been been resurrected!

You guys crack me up! :D

Crack is bad for you! Stick to popcorn.

Speaking of popcorn I have now made it 4 nights in a row!!!! :eek: :D

Hey Joe,

Sony was closed when I called today. UPS shows my projector delivered on Monday of this week. When I look it up on the Sony service site by phone number, it shows "not received yet".

Based on your experience, would it possibly say that until some tech actually gets his hands on it?

This morning (7/9) it did change status to "received 7/8/09". So it looks like it took three days to get from their loading dock to someone who punches a computer.

I think I'm going to see how you felt when you sent your 200 in. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all that rot. It can't be normal for a grown man to miss his projector. ;)

Hey Joe,

Sony was closed when I called today. UPS shows my projector delivered on Monday of this week. When I look it up on the Sony service site by phone number, it shows "not received yet".

Based on your experience, would it possibly say that until some tech actually gets his hands on it?

Just got in. Sorry. :)

This morning (7/9) it did change status to "received 7/8/09". So it looks like it took three days to get from their loading dock to someone who punches a computer.

I think I'm going to see how you felt when you sent your 200 in. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all that rot. It can't be normal for a grown man to miss his projector. ;)

That is a great sign. It is already being checked out and assessed. :)

That is a great sign. It is already being checked out and assessed. :)

Cool. I'm going to restrain calling them for a while. By nature, I can be a pain in the ass about this kind of stuff.

Spending my time adding cornice boxes and valance's to the blackout drapes. That'll take care of the ambient light from the top hitting the ceiling. And then there's the DIY masking bars for my Carada. You know....the things that didn't get done when there's movies happening.

I had to tell the wife to let me have a home with a basement and I'll stop messing up all the walls. She humors me.

Hang tight. I called them about every 3 business days... Doesn't hurt. :)

God is this an exciting thread. I wonder what the AVS member record would be for nights in a row making popcorn for consumption in a HT?

I would love to keep adding to the popcorn record but I am going out of town next week. :D

There is a Sony VPL-VW200 on ebay for less than 8.1K. If anyone wants to get into one of these at a good price with free shipping, looks like the way to go. Just do a search for Sony VPL-VW200 and you should be able to find it.
ALSO....
The auction has a MAKE OFFER on this, so you may be able to get it for a lot less than the asking price!!!

There is a Sony VPL-VW200 on ebay for less than 8.1K. If anyone wants to get into one of these at a good price with free shipping, looks like the way to go. Just do a search for Sony VPL-VW200 and you should be able to find it.
Looks like its used (no lamp time quote) and the seller has 6 "red ones" in the last 12 months.:eek: Not your tipical trustworthy ebay saint? It could even have the "crickets", what do you think Joe!!!:confused:

I looked at the "REDS", minor issues.
I figure that you could offer him 1k less to pay for a new lamp.
IF it has crickets, just pull apart the lamp heatsink and put some silver grease on the bulb as that seems to take care of "cricket generator".
You could really "lowball" him on the offer and may get a really good deal. I have found that if you lowball the seller on the offer, he comes back with a counter offer of what he will really take for the item.
Sony seems to really take care of issues on these and not charge for the repair. All the owner has to do is pay for the shipping to Sony.

I looked at the "REDS", minor issues.
I figure that you could offer him 1k less to pay for a new lamp.
IF it has crickets, just pull apart the lamp heatsink and put some silver grease on the bulb as that seems to take care of "cricket generator".
You could really "lowball" him on the offer and may get a really good deal. I have found that if you lowball the seller on the offer, he comes back with a counter offer of what he will really take for the item.
Sony seems to really take care of issues on these and not charge for the repair. All the owner has to do is pay for the shipping to Sony.
Hello, Hello where were you when me and Joe were fighting the "cricet monster" a few months back on this thread.:confused: Joe even had to send his unit back to "Sony Neverneverland". I still have my VW200 on "high fan" to keep the "crickets away".:rolleyes: Do you have more detailed info. on this "silver grease" methood?:)

Hello, Hello where were you when me and Joe were fighting the "cricet monster" a few months back on this thread.:confused: Joe even had to send his unit back to "Sony Neverneverland". I still have my VW200 on "high fan" to keep the "crickets away".:rolleyes: Do you have more detailed info. on this "silver grease" methood?:)

Plenty of info on this thread.

I even posted a link to JOE on WHERE to BUY IT.

I have 5 tubes of it :D

High volume sellers seem to always have alot of "REDS". If ebay has not suspended them, then it should be ok to buy from them.
Over the past year, I have had trouble with 3 sellers and bad product. In each case, PayPal has refunded my $$ within 10 days then gone after the seller for the $$.
If I were going after another VW200, I wouldn't hesitate in going after this one, but I don't really need 2.

Well....
Who here bought it???
Whoever bought it got it for 7k. Good job.

Anyone going to fess up???

It was'nt me:) I was looking at it though. I will wait to see what comes out this fall

Maybe a VW300 with 240HZ,3 million to 1 contrast ratio and 1600 lumen lamp?
I guess I better start a VW300 savings account so I can be ready!
(And I thought that I would be keeping the VW200 for at least 3 years)

Maybe a VW300 with 240HZ,3 million to 1 contrast ratio and 1600 lumen lamp?
I guess I better start a VW300 savings account so I can be ready!
(And I thought that I would be keeping the VW200 for at least 3 years)

With a 4th panel added, that wouldn't be too far off. Just add an LED light source and I'll be all over it!

Well...
Guess the person the bought it doesn't want to fess up.
It must have been someone that reads this thread as they made an offer that I recommended.
Hope they come forward and let us know if/how it works, how many hours it has and if the lamp is any good.

Whoever got it did so at a very good price. I know I wouldn't let mine go for that low. It's good to be back. :)

Whoever got it did so at a very good price. I know I wouldn't let mine go for that low. It's good to be back. :)

Hey Joe (that sounds familiar!) did you know of the Silver Grease method, regarding the "crickets" thing? We could have used that a few months back.

Hey Joe (that sounds familiar!) did you know of the Silver Grease method, regarding the "crickets" thing? We could have used that a few months back.

We sure could have. Anyway, I am logging the hours and if they come back I will be trying the grease I purchased (thanks to drhankz). :)

We sure could have. Anyway, I am logging the hours and if they come back I will be trying the grease I purchased (thanks to drhankz). :)

Thanks to the original poster and Goggle - I just passed along the Google Info ;)

We sure could have. Anyway, I am logging the hours and if they come back I will be trying the grease I purchased (thanks to drhankz). :)

I am just wondering now. Did you ask Sony repair what kind of grease they are still using? Maybe they switched to the silver?

I am just wondering now. Did you ask Sony repair what kind of grease they are still using? Maybe they switched to the silver?

That's a good question. It came out after I had it back a little bit about the grease. They changed out 3 different parts and in the report it didn't mention anything about grease. Of course I wouldn't expect it to. I wonder if they would know now... :eek:

That's a good question. It came out after I had it back a little bit about the grease. They changed out 3 different parts and in the report it didn't mention anything about grease. Of course I wouldn't expect it to. I wonder if they would know now... :eek:

I doubt any repair site would do anything except swap modules.

I doubt any repair site would do anything except swap modules.

Agreed. Which is why I am happy I stocked up on the grease. :D I am approaching the 200 hour mark! Silver bullets are locked and loaded! :eek:

Agreed. Which is why I am happy I stocked up on the grease. :D I am approaching the 200 hour mark! Silver bullets are locked and loaded! :eek:

Since they swap in the whole new Lamp Assembly - it is likely Sony
back at the FACTORY is using the improved grease to get them out
of the Cricket Business ;)

Since they swap in the whole new Lamp Assembly - it is likely Sony
back at the FACTORY is using the improved grease to get them out
of the Cricket Business ;)
Well guys. Looked it up and seems a local store has this "silver grease" in stock, in some sort of syringe!:eek: Well as Im a novice in the "silver grease method". What do I spray it on in the lamp assembly and do I need to take the VW200 down from the ceiling mount?:confused: Any expert info. is well appreciated so I wont end up putting it on the lens.:D

Well guys. Looked it up and seems a local store has this "silver grease" in stock, in some sort of syringe!:eek: Well as Im a novice in the "silver grease method". What do I spray it on in the lamp assembly and do I need to take the VW200 down from the ceiling mount?:confused: Any expert info. is well appreciated so I wont end up putting it on the lens.:D

You need to get the lamp assembly out of the PJ which is
rather a pain in the BUTT while it is hanging. Then you
have to take apart the lamp assembly and remove the
heat sink grease that is there and replace it with the good
stuff.

This can be daunting for a novice.

Well guys. Looked it up and seems a local store has this "silver grease" in stock, in some sort of syringe!:eek: Well as Im a novice in the "silver grease method". What do I spray it on in the lamp assembly and do I need to take the VW200 down from the ceiling mount?:confused: Any expert info. is well appreciated so I wont end up putting it on the lens.:D

Here is some Info as what to Expect

PART #1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14567597&postcount=169)

and

Part #2 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14567735&postcount=170)

Here is some Info as what to Expect

PART #1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14567597&postcount=169)

and

Part #2 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14567735&postcount=170)

OOOKKAAYYYY!!!:eek: Think ill just use the silver grease in my ears and stop the crickets that way!:D But all humor excluded, now I at least have a "easy way" of fixing the "crickets" if they reach the "high fan" setting also. My VW200 is now reaching 500 lamp hours without any "high setting" problems, so ill just wait and see if a new bulb later on down the road will finally fix the "low setting "cricets". But thank you drhankz for your input in this matter, it is well appreciated.:)

OOOKKAAYYYY!!!:eek: Think ill just use the silver grease in my ears and stop the crickets that way!:D But all humor excluded, now I at least have a "easy way" of fixing the "crickets" if they reach the "high fan" setting also. My VW200 is now reaching 500 lamp hours without any "high setting" problems, so ill just wait and see if a new bulb later on down the road will finally fix the "low setting "cricets". But thank you drhankz for your input in this matter, it is well appreciated.:)

Glad to help with a wee bit of info from others.

That is what this forum is all about.

Since they swap in the whole new Lamp Assembly - it is likely Sony
back at the FACTORY is using the improved grease to get them out
of the Cricket Business ;)

Well, let's hope they have come to that conclusion as well.:D

Hi Guys

Sorry to be a PIA but could someone please point me to the thread about where to buy the magic silver grease. I tried a search but could not find it. The VW200 here has done 2000 hours so lamp replacement might not be too far away.

TIA

John

Tassie http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=697416

Hi Guys

Sorry to be a PIA but could someone please point me to the thread about where to buy the magic silver grease. I tried a search but could not find it. The VW200 here has done 2000 hours so lamp replacement might not be too far away.

TIA

John

THIS IS WHERE I BOUGHT IT (http://www.outletpc.com/c2041.html)

It might not be a good place for those NOT IN THE U.S.

THIS IS WHERE I BOUGHT IT (http://www.outletpc.com/c2041.html)

It might not be a good place for those NOT IN THE U.S.

Thanks drhankz, very helpful. My youngest son lives in Ohio so I should be able to get him to send it to me. It is available here but, would you believe they want $USD7.75 (I've converted from $AUD) a tube for it! Add in postage and it is not cheap. My son has other goodies (Blu Ray discs) to send me so hopefully there will be room in the box for one or two tubes at sensible USA prices. Also helps the US economy to recover.:)

John

Thanks drhankz, very helpful. My youngest son lives in Ohio so I should be able to get him to send it to me. It is available here but, would you believe they want $USD7.75 (I've converted from $AUD) a tube for it! Add in postage and it is not cheap. My son has other goodies (Blu Ray discs) to send me so hopefully there will be room in the box for one or two tubes at sensible USA prices. Also helps the US economy to recover.:)

John

Glad I could help with Cricket Extermination ;)

Hi, I'm the guy that discovered that silver grease solution against crickets. My VW100 Ruby has been quiet since early June, almost 200 hours of silent bliss. This stuff really seems to work! Good luck to all you VW200ers, hope this silver bullet method helps you kill the crickets too.

Hi, I'm the guy that discovered that silver grease solution against crickets. My VW100 Ruby has been quiet since early June, almost 200 hours of silent bliss. This stuff really seems to work! Good luck to all you VW200ers, hope this silver bullet method helps you kill the crickets too.

I could not remember who discovered it - but I was helping
people find where to buy it and what brand it was - I always
said SOMEONE else was the Cricket Exterminator ;)

Hi, I'm the guy that discovered that silver grease solution against crickets. My VW100 Ruby has been quiet since early June, almost 200 hours of silent bliss. This stuff really seems to work! Good luck to all you VW200ers, hope this silver bullet method helps you kill the crickets too.

I haven't forgot you. I am approaching the 200 hour mark so soon enough I will know if I need the silver grease. Either way thanks again because I feel much better knowing the crickets can be stopped this time. :)

The silver heat sink grease has better heat conduction property's so the lamp should run much cooler.
Even if the lamp hasn't started chirping, It may be worth wile to pull the lamp and upgrade to the silver heat sink compound to extend the lamp life.

The silver heat sink grease has better heat conduction property's so the lamp should run much cooler.
Even if the lamp hasn't started chirping, It may be worth wile to pull the lamp and upgrade to the silver heat sink compound to extend the lamp life.

Just for the record. How much is needed of this stuff in the LMP-H400 lamp. 1 syringe or more?:rolleyes:

1 syringe is enough. Even a half syringe as this silver paste is easy to apply very thinly.

1 syringe is enough. Even a half syringe as this silver paste is easy to apply very thinly.

Nice to hear from a fellow "Scandinavian" here on AVSF. OK Ill get myself one or two Syringes then "for the road". By the way does this "Silver grease" have any unusual "expire date" or does it "live forever" in those Syringes? Just to be on the safe side.:rolleyes: And THX for the info.:)

Glad I could help with Cricket Extermination ;)

Yes you DID help thanks again. Now ordered and on its way to Ohio & eventually on its way here. No hurry as the VW200 bulb appears to be holding out well. Having the projector on the floor (with a coffee table on top for disguise) most likely helps as goes an updraft of cold air from downstairs through the cable holes.:)

John

:rolleyes: And THX for the info.:)

Absolutely THX Certified for Cricket Death Only :p

Yes you DID help thanks again. Now ordered and on its way to Ohio & eventually on its way here. No hurry as the VW200 bulb appears to be holding out well. Having the projector on the floor (with a coffee table on top for disguise) most likely helps as goes an updraft of cold air from downstairs through the cable holes.:)

John

Oh WAIT WAIT WAIT :mad: maybe I got it backwards.

I thought you WANTED Crickets ;)

Trying to be a good boy scout to be prepared.

I recall someone saying a special tool was needed. Maybe I already have one but could someone please enlighten me about anything out of the ordinary that might be needed. I already have a vision of bits all over the floor overseen by a VERY perplexed idiot.:eek:

TIA

John

Trying to be a good boy scout to be prepared.

I recall someone saying a special tool was needed. Maybe I already have one but could someone please enlighten me about anything out of the ordinary that might be needed. I already have a vision of bits all over the floor overseen by a VERY perplexed idiot.:eek:

TIA

John

Did you read these links?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=697416

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14567597&postcount=169

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14567735&postcount=170

Well, tonite we will hit the 200 hour mark. Usually between now and the 300 mark is when those insects show up!

THIS IS WHERE I BOUGHT IT (http://www.outletpc.com/c2041.html)

It might not be a good place for those NOT IN THE U.S.

This is the Silver Grease in my "neighbourhood";

http://hmcelectronics.com/cgi-bin/scripts/product/1530-0141

Quite a dif. regarding price.:eek: I see they quote "pure silver" for this product.:rolleyes: Wonder if this Silver Grease is worth the extra $.:confused:

I would think Silver Grease is Silver Grease but I guess you never know. :eek:

I would think Silver Grease is Silver Grease but I guess you never know. :eek:

Well Joe what Blue Ray player do you have connected to the VW200 now?:rolleyes: Im getting a Oppo BDP-83 to play with soon that Im going to fit with a DIY region free kit.:cool: Have you thought of trying one out again as the Oppo has gone trough a lot of testing since you first tried it out way back in this thread?:eek: Well Ill be doing a direct comparison with the Sony BDP-S360 and then a Toshiba XA2. Will be interesting to find out, what the Oppo can do in that company, especially regarding SD upscaling.:) Ohhh and Silver Grease Lightning to you to!:D

I actually still have an Oppo player and have hooked it up recently with the 200 for a comparison study. The BDP-83 is an excellent player and will get the job done in nearly every set up. Plus the load times are second to none (if we don't count the PS3). I just like having Dual HDMI outs to squeeze out every last drop of the image.

I actually still have an Oppo player and have hooked it up recently with the 200 for a comparison study. The BDP-83 is an excellent player and will get the job done in nearly every set up. Plus the load times are second to none (if we don't count the PS3). I just like having Dual HDMI outs to squeeze out every last drop of the image.

One is supposed to be on the way here now & it has the SDI output option modded into it. A card is also on the way for the iScan VP50 PRO so I'm looking forward to the results.

I'm not expecting any improvement for DVD as the modded Esoteric UX-1 LE is already feeding into the iScan circuitry -> excellent results, not too far away from Blu-Ray on good material (the best being that originally recoded in HD). Similarly I'm not expecting much improvement in the audio from the present Panasonic DB35 -> Meridian 621 -> system but who knows.

Since the release of the VW200 there appear to have been some very good projectors coming on to the market but none appear to be significantly better from what I read, although prices are dropping.

John

Been there done that. I learned the hard way there is nothing as good or better than the 200. Not sure if there will be this Fall either. At least in the price range I am comfortable with.

This is the Silver Grease in my "neighbourhood";

http://hmcelectronics.com/cgi-bin/scripts/product/1530-0141

Quite a dif. regarding price.:eek: I see they quote "pure silver" for this product.:rolleyes: Wonder if this Silver Grease is worth the extra $.:confused:

Just to answer my own question here:rolleyes: My "neighborhood Grease" is 6.5 gr but the other is 0,5 gr. Theres your price dif.:eek: The Circuit Works Silver Grease also seems to have a tempature range of -57 to 252°C (-70 to 485°F) while the other has -50 to 170°C. So Circuit Works seems to be the Silver Grease winner.:D

I just wanted potential buyers of this pj to know that I saw a floor model on clearance at the Magnolia in North Austin TX last night...its probably worth calling and asking about (and you might ask if anything is wrong with it for the price they're asking, seriously).

I have been having an intermittent problem with my VW200. I run a pretty long (35 foot) component cord to my projector, which is across the room from my comcast hi def tuner and AV receiver. Once in a while, the picture starts to get some kind of distortion where horizontal bands of the picture will start jerking right and left across the picture with jitter and sometimes the picture will contract vertically with the bands of jerkiness. It will start on a few bands and then eventually get worse with horizontal parts of the picture twitching back and forth, sometimes occupying the whole frame and making watching very problematic. I will turn off the unit and tighten the contacts of the component cable and it will seem to get better for a while, then start again during programming at unpredictable times. I am not really sure this is a cable related problem. The output to my hi def computer screen from the alternate output of the AV receiver does not show it. Also, I have not been able to get it to occur when I connect my laptop to the computer input RGB port.
Does this mean I am in for a trip to the repair facility?

I found out the problem here. When playing DVD's through my Playstation 3, it seemed to stimulate this problem, which persisted through all sources until projector left off for a while. The "DRC Mode" in expert settings, either mode 1 or 2, when switched on, caused the problem. When the "DRC Mode" is in "off" the problem goes away immediately. So apparently with some 1080i sources played over the component cable (DVD?) the "DRC Mode" can cause the picture to go into instability. I haven't really explored this further, but on a picture that seems to be displaying jerky horizontal jaggies, keep "DRC mode" in "off" and see if it fixes it, it did with mine. I don't know if this is a defect or merely a problem with the source and the "DRC Mode" just not getting along.

I paid very close attention to the start up sound of the 200 last night when I turned it on. Still much quieter then when I first got it. I remember how it would almost whine when I would turn it on. Still super quiet (knock on wood) and I am quickly approaching the 300 hour mark!

There is another Sony VPL-VW200 on ebay for less than 7.6K. If anyone wants to get into one of these at a good price with free overnight shipping, looks like the way to go. Just do a search for Sony VPL-VW200 and you should be able to find it. It is a open box. but the seller said that it is unused as he couldn't mount it properly in the room.
----> He also said that it is a USA model.<----

There's also a way over dumb price for a VW70 on ebay too, I hope no one goes for it. Come on CEDIA get here already!!

Think the new Sony projector will be a step above the 200 in every category except the Xenon lamp? That's what I'm hoping for...

How much better is Sony VW200 compared to Sony VW100? I'm still very pleased with my Ruby despite the occasional cricket sound that has fortunately stayed away after my discovery of the silver paste. If there's a new Sony flagship (VW300?) coming out later this year I might be interested in upgrading to the VW200 if the price drops. Is the VW200 a major improvement picture wise over the Ruby or should I still enjoy it a few more years? I know that the Ruby is getting a bit old technically but the picture quality is still great!

The VW200 is much, much better than the VW100. For sports you get MotionFlow 120hz and DFI as well as 1080p/24 for Blu ray movies. I would not expect a 300 for at least another year or two.

Think the new Sony projector will be a step above the 200 in every category except the Xenon lamp? That's what I'm hoping for...

The thing that always seems to get forgotten about when discussing the 200 is the quality of the lens. Along with the more natural colors from the xenon lamp (to my eyes, at least) it is the better lens that separates the 200 from the rest of the Sony SXRD family.

How much better is Sony VW200 compared to Sony VW100?

Having owned both, I'd agree that the 200 is a much better projector than the 100. In addition to the features Joerod mentions, I also found the QC on the 200 to be better with less distractions (no bright corners, better panel alignment) - at least for mine.

Naturally 200 is better than the 100. It has more advanced technology and is more expensive new than the 100 was. But comparing the two only by black level, contrast, sharpness and brightness how much is it better? Both have the same xenon lamp so the colours should be about the same.

EDIT: This post answers my questions: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12413718&postcount=103r

FWIW I still own both a 100 and a 200, and concur with Joe's take in the post you referenced.

FWIW I still own both a 100 and a 200, and concur with Joe's take in the post you referenced.

Since you have both, are the mounting holes the same location and dimensions? In case I give in to the temptation;):D

Let's try it like this.

The digital projector forums are broken up according to a price of over or under $3000.

If one doubled that amount, and subtracted a dollar, would that be a good price on a Sony refurb/recertified model?

Does this mean that the 200 will be discontinued, soon?

Thanks,

Nick :cool:

Since you have both, are the mounting holes the same location and dimensions? In case I give in to the temptation;):D

I had the VW100 and I would say yes! Now go for it. :)

Since you have both, are the mounting holes the same location and dimensions? In case I give in to the temptation;):D

Yes, they are identical. I dismounted the 100 from my custom mount sled and put the 200 on with the same holes and hardware.

... and by the way, you won't be disappointed! I really liked the 100... but I LOVE the 200.

Yes, they are identical. I dismounted the 100 from my custom mount sled and put the 200 on with the same holes and hardware.

... and by the way, you won't be disappointed! I really liked the 100... but I LOVE the 200.

That is exactly how I feel. :)

I know pricing talk is not really allowed but there is a SICK deal on ecost for refurbished VPLVW200's. I was thinking of picking one up at this price but my wife might kill me! From what I read, death may be a reasonable risk :)
-Evangelo2

I know pricing talk is not really allowed but there is a SICK deal on ecost for refurbished VPLVW200's. I was thinking of picking one up at this price but my wife might kill me! From what I read, death may be a reasonable risk :)
-Evangelo2

I agree - that is a SICK price (http://www.ecost.com/Detail/Projectors/Sony/VPLVW200/49552316.aspx?navid=155439093)

I know pricing talk is not really allowed but there is a SICK deal on ecost for refurbished VPLVW200's. I was thinking of picking one up at this price but my wife might kill me! From what I read, death may be a reasonable risk :)
-Evangelo2

Was my message decoded, when I wrote:

Let's try it like this.

The digital projector forums are broken up according to a price of over or under $3000.

If one doubled that amount, and subtracted a dollar, would that be a good price on a Sony refurb/recertified model?

Does this mean that the 200 will be discontinued, soon?

Thanks,

Nick :cool:

I take delivery today.

Thanks,

Nick :cool:

Maybe some new owners will pump some new life into this thread. :)

Yes, they are identical. I dismounted the 100 from my custom mount sled and put the 200 on with the same holes and hardware.

... and by the way, you won't be disappointed! I really liked the 100... but I LOVE the 200.

That is great news, guys, at least one concern is gone:D Now, the $$$, even if I can sell my 100 for whatever. But, from the sound of everything I read, a good trick;), this will be the replacement pj.
What is really impressive is the convergence of the panels to be right on and that glass lens:D
Oh, yes, I didn't check the overall dimensions to compare with the 100 but it is at your fingertips:D Is it the same size? Weight is not a factor for the lift, just the fit in the ceiling storage box. Thanks.

... but my wife might kill me! ... :)
-Evangelo2

That is only a problem if your replacement knows how to run the theater and your setup;):D Otherwise, she will regret the event:eek:

I had my VPL-VW200 installed last night, and have now spent a few hours with it. I'm very pleased, but it is performing about how I expected.

My context is that, until 2003, I was a happy watcher of CRT, at that time the superb NEC XG1352LC, matched with a Faroudja NRS processor, firing on to a 123" acoustically transparent screen from Draper. It was at that time that I'd begun to read about this new digital projector from Sony called Qualia, and that began the sojourn I'm frankly still on.

I was an early adopter of a Qualia 004, and it was difficult not to be enormously pleased with it. A few years later, in early 2007, I sold the Qualia to attempt to get some of its investment back, and decided to speculate a while. I made the mistake of buying into the notion that advances had progressed as much as some people wanted others to believe, and bought a Sony Pearl, which, although fine from a value standpoint, was a pretty thorough disappointment, something I should have expected.

I then moved to a Sharp XV-Z20000, which was a very fine projector. While I still missed the Qualia, particularly its brightness, I began to appreciate the punch of the DLP and its outstanding contrast levels. My Qualia hankering still got the better out of me and, over the objections of some friends that reminded me the Qualia was several years old, sold off the Sharp and went back to a Qualia.

The Qualia was still a superb performer, at least through yesterday. But I can't deny that I often wondered, what if there were a way to simply improve the contrast and black levels, while at the same time hanging on to the virtues of a Qualia. That led me to this projector, which I had seen a few years ago at the CEDIA where the 200 was unveiled.

It seems to be an intelligent choice for me, as the Qualia has virtues that are still quite superb (and even superior), even when judged against today's market--this seemed the logical way to retain some measure of the Qualia's virtues, and sticking with its technology, while at the same time getting into something that had appreciably superior contrast and black levels, as well as a fine lens that is at least in the Qualia ballpark.

Yes, the Sim2 was a temptation, but I'm quite happy to be out of that price ballpark when it comes to components like these. And, when the 3 chip DLPs come to somewhere significantly less than their present stage, perhaps I'll go a different direction. For now, this is a great choice for me.

I considered the JVC, which I'd seen at several shows; and I came closest to leaving the LCOS camp for another single-chip DLP, the Projection Design Model Three, which presented itself to me at a superb price (this was the older model with the Crystalio processor as a separate box). And, even as I begin to get used to the 200, I note that there's a certain amount of punch that the Qualia carried, that is a bit harder to find in this projector. Overall, yes, it is a net improvement over the Qualia. And this is true, even when considering that the brightness and texture of the Qualia's picture remain unmatched by all but a precious few.

As I've done my own comparisons, I know that there are more than a handful of projectors that would have given me great pleasure, much as this projector does. With all the priorities that were important to me in a projector, however, and very much including the price, this was the projector for me. I'm still a sucker for Sony, and I'm happy I could indulge myself in this respect as well.

I'm looking forward to participating in a new community of enthusiasts with the 200, for however long I own it. This is a great piece of equipment, and, with the magnificent Blu-ray available as a source, there is really very little one can do to go wrong at this level.

So I'll welcome myself aboard, and thank others for sharing as you've done already.

Thanks,

Nick :cool:

Awesome Nick. :)

Welcome to a very exclusive 200 owner's club. Nice post!

The more I watch this, almost exclusively in BD, the more I recognize the virtues of this projector. Regardless of whether the dynamic iris is on or off, the contrast levels on this projector are great with any setting. The colors are as inherently gorgeous as those on the Qualia, but dialed in pretty well right out of the box.

I've gone from pleased to enormously pleased in the space of one disc (Blade: Trinity). By the way, for those who are against refurbs, ask me how I'm feeling now that I've paid under $6000 for this projector (they've gotten smart--price for a refurb is now about $6200).

Thanks,

Nick :cool:

The more I watch this, almost exclusively in BD, the more I recognize the virtues of this projector. Regardless of whether the dynamic iris is on or off, the contrast levels on this projector are great with any setting. The colors are as inherently gorgeous as those on the Qualia, but dialed in pretty well right out of the box.

I've gone from pleased to enormously pleased in the space of one disc (Blade: Trinity). By the way, for those who are against refurbs, ask me how I'm feeling now that I've paid under $6000 for this projector (they've gotten smart--price for a refurb is now about $6200).

Thanks,

Nick :cool:

I have a feeling they may go up when they run out of this batch. Anyway, the 200 may end up being the PJ of choice for me until they release the 300. I know, it will cost a lot... ;)

The VW200 is much, much better than the VW100. For sports you get MotionFlow 120hz and DFI as well as 1080p/24 for Blu ray movies. I would not expect a 300 for at least another year or two.

VW200 owners. How well does Sony's motion flow (FI) work? Are there different levels (more and less aggressive) and are they artifact free? I didn't read all posts in this thread so my questions may have already been discussed, but I would appreciate any comments.

Looks like Sony has a few new PJ lined up;

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/reviews/new_reviews/sony’s+vpl+vw85+looks+set+shake+projector+market+–+exclusive +preview+21+08+09

http://www.projectorcentral.com:80/sony_bravia_hw15_review.htm?em

Could the Holy Grail be around the corner:eek:

Looks like Sony has a few new PJ lined up;

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/reviews/new_reviews/sony’s+vpl+vw85+looks+set+shake+projector+market+–+exclusive +preview+21+08+09

Could the Holy Grail be around the corner:eek:

ATTENTION JOEROD

Do you have your VPL-VW85 on ORDER YET?

Maybe you don't have to wait until a 300 is Announced ;)

I have been sending upconverted 36 bit color with PC levels (don't ask me how because I have a NDA) and football has never looked better!

Check these last couple out. And remember this is in Dynamic with all of my Eye-Candy extremist adjustments enabled. Perfect for sports... :)

Check these last couple out. And remember this is in Dynamic with all of my Eye-Candy extremist adjustments enabled. Perfect for sports... :)

It looks like you were at the game... you could've stopped by for some Doritos and dip afterwards, I live just a few miles from the OSU stadium.

Thx Joe - incredibly vivid pics.

It looks like you were at the game... you could've stopped by for some Doritos and dip afterwards, I live just a few miles from the OSU stadium.

Thx Joe - incredibly vivid pics.

Now you tell me Tom! After I drive all the way back home. :D :)

Hey guys, I know the is the VW200 thread so forgive me in advance for highjacking it for a bit but is the lowly :) VW100 worth 1k with 1350 hours on the original lamp?

I would say so. The Ruby is an excellent PJ and for that amount I would get one to use as my back up or outdoor PJ. Seriously. :)

I'm feeding a VW200 using a Denon 5308ci from both an Oppo BDP-83 and a TiVo S3. Previously, I had a Panasonic BD-30.

If I change sources OR a source changes output format (e.g., 480p to 1080i or 1080i to 1080p), the HDMI handshake usually appears to fail, and I'm left with HDMI audio, but no picture. The only thing I see is the VW200 "HDMI 1" indicator at the top left of the screen. No amount of waiting will result in a picture appearing. However, if I turn the Denon off for 5-6 minutes and then turn it back on, everything is fine, until the next time output resolution changes.

I've tried setting various devices to auto or fixed output resolution. For example, when I had the TiVo set to 1080i fixed instead of native, I usually had no problem until switching to Blu-ray. And, I had no problem with Blu-ray, until trying to switch to the TiVo. I've tried setting the Denon to 1080p fixed out for the TiVo and 1080p/24 for the Blu-ray, but it has no affect on the problem.

I don't recall this always being a problem. I think it has gradually gotten worse, but I think it took a dramatic turn for the worse after one of the firmware updates on the Denon. Although, that could be a coincidence.

Today, I swapped the HDMI cable from the Denon to the VW200 with a 10' HDMI 1.3a Monoprice cable. I experienced the same problems tonight, only for the first time ever, I received a blank screen without switching sources; I was fast-forwarding through a show on the TiVo when I lost the picture, but not the audio.

Anyone else experience similar problems? Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks.

/jab

P.S. Cross-posted to the official 5308ci topic.

Wow, there sure are some good prices out there on the VW200, I am tempted to upgrade at these prices from my VPL-VW50 to a VW-200. Just curious do they use the same mount? I have mine currently hooked up using a Chief mount.

I have used a Chief RPA U mount with every pj I have used.

I have used a Chief RPA U mount with every pj I have used.

Joe, thanks for the heads up, I see your in the Midwest as well. Thinking of getting one of these units soon. Just wonder how they compare to the new units Sony is releasing. VPL-85 and the 15.

Joe, thanks for the heads up, I see your in the Midwest as well. Thinking of getting one of these units soon. Just wonder how they compare to the new units Sony is releasing. VPL-85 and the 15.

Hopefully I (we) shall see soon enough... :)

I'm feeding a VW200 using a Denon 5308ci from both an Oppo BDP-83 and a TiVo S3. Previously, I had a Panasonic BD-30.

If I change sources OR a source changes output format (e.g., 480p to 1080i or 1080i to 1080p), the HDMI handshake usually appears to fail, and I'm left with HDMI audio, but no picture. The only thing I see is the VW200 "HDMI 1" indicator at the top left of the screen. No amount of waiting will result in a picture appearing. However, if I turn the Denon off for 5-6 minutes and then turn it back on, everything is fine, until the next time output resolution changes.

I've tried setting various devices to auto or fixed output resolution. For example, when I had the TiVo set to 1080i fixed instead of native, I usually had no problem until switching to Blu-ray. And, I had no problem with Blu-ray, until trying to switch to the TiVo. I've tried setting the Denon to 1080p fixed out for the TiVo and 1080p/24 for the Blu-ray, but it has no affect on the problem.

I don't recall this always being a problem. I think it has gradually gotten worse, but I think it took a dramatic turn for the worse after one of the firmware updates on the Denon. Although, that could be a coincidence.

Today, I swapped the HDMI cable from the Denon to the VW200 with a 10' HDMI 1.3a Monoprice cable. I experienced the same problems tonight, only for the first time ever, I received a blank screen without switching sources; I was fast-forwarding through a show on the TiVo when I lost the picture, but not the audio.

Anyone else experience similar problems? Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks.

/jab

P.S. Cross-posted to the official 5308ci topic.

Check out page 46 on this thread, listing 1366#. Might help you with your problem?:)

Check out page 46 on this thread, listing 1366#. Might help you with your problem?:)

I appreciate the reply. I'd seen your post while searching this topic for solutions previously.

A repeater/booster might help, although I'd obviously prefer to avoid one unless necessary. One big difference between your setup and mine is that you had a 10m cable to the projector. Mine is 3m. HDMI spec is I believe 5m, so I should be well within the length limits.

If it were a run-length issue, I would have also expected the problem to be present from the beginning, instead of getting worse over time. I still wonder whether it was one or more of the Denon 5308 firmware updates that caused/contributed to the problem. Or, a gradual hardware failure of some type.

Since my original post, I've moved the new HDMI cable from output 1 to output 2 on the Denon and from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2 on the Sony. No change in symptoms.

I've also confirmed again that setting the TiVo S3 to fixed 1080i output makes the HDMI issue go away completely. As long as there is no format change on the signal after powering everything up, HDMI is rock-solid. If the TiVo output changes format or I switch to another component having a different format, I run a very high risk (50%-75%) of losing all video until I shutdown the Denon for 5 to 6 minutes. If I turn the Denon on again before the problem is solved, I must turn it off and wait an additional 5 to 6 minutes.

Next step is to use optical audio to the Denon and run HDMI straight to the Sony. Maybe that will change the symptoms.

I also wonder whether a firmware update on my VW200 might help... Maybe it's time to call Sony and Denon. I haven't done that yet, because I generally believe the help here is better, and I anticipate that there will be much finger pointing across the fence by Sony and Denon.

This thread has been a little quiet lately. Any new owners reading it? :)

Too busy watching the White Sox clock the Tigers. game final. It has boiled down to the last day and if Minn and Det either both win or both lose, a one game playoff.

Too busy watching the White Sox clock the Tigers. Looks like it wil lboil down to the last day and possibly if both Minn and Det either both win or both lose, a one game playoff.

Good point. And they might be watching it on their 200s... ;) :)

Looks like Sony has a few new PJ lined up;

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/reviews/new_reviews/sony’s+vpl+vw85+looks+set+shake+projector+market+–+exclusive +preview+21+08+09

http://www.projectorcentral.com:80/sony_bravia_hw15_review.htm?em

Could the Holy Grail be around the corner:eek:

I remain extremely happy with my VW200. Yes, I've checked out the newer JVC offerings but none of them strike me as worthwhile upgrades. In fact, short of a higher native resolution projector at real-world pricing, I can't really see any compelling reasons to jump back on the upgrade-train. I must say, though, that a native 2.35 projector would be nice.

Just thought I post this little extra cure for the "crickets" if someone else here on AVSF got the case of the "crickets" and did not have the time or the expertise for the "silver grease solution", or was willing to buy a new lamp right away. I know this works as I tried it out myself for a few months before moving on to a more permanent solution. Just place a air fan that draws the hot air from the VW200's exhaust. I had a ceiling mounted shelf right besides the VW200 so this was quite easy in my case. Mind you the air fan must be a quiet one, otherwise the cure will not defeat the symptom but just replace it with another similar symptom, namely air fan noise. I found out that the MATSU MMTF393W (three speeds) set to the lowest setting and no rotation of the air fan chassis itself solved the problem of the "Crickets", at least until I had time for a final "heavy duty" solution.

Sincerely;

Thunder

I'm feeding a VW200 using a Denon 5308ci from both an Oppo BDP-83 and a TiVo S3. Previously, I had a Panasonic BD-30.

If I change sources OR a source changes output format (e.g., 480p to 1080i or 1080i to 1080p), the HDMI handshake usually appears to fail, and I'm left with HDMI audio, but no picture. The only thing I see is the VW200 "HDMI 1" indicator at the top left of the screen. No amount of waiting will result in a picture appearing. However, if I turn the Denon off for 5-6 minutes and then turn it back on, everything is fine, until the next time output resolution changes.

I've tried setting various devices to auto or fixed output resolution. For example, when I had the TiVo set to 1080i fixed instead of native, I usually had no problem until switching to Blu-ray. And, I had no problem with Blu-ray, until trying to switch to the TiVo. I've tried setting the Denon to 1080p fixed out for the TiVo and 1080p/24 for the Blu-ray, but it has no affect on the problem.

I don't recall this always being a problem. I think it has gradually gotten worse, but I think it took a dramatic turn for the worse after one of the firmware updates on the Denon. Although, that could be a coincidence.

Today, I swapped the HDMI cable from the Denon to the VW200 with a 10' HDMI 1.3a Monoprice cable. I experienced the same problems tonight, only for the first time ever, I received a blank screen without switching sources; I was fast-forwarding through a show on the TiVo when I lost the picture, but not the audio.

Anyone else experience similar problems? Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks.

/jab

P.S. Cross-posted to the official 5308ci topic.

I get that all the time with my denon 2809 although I blame the handshake between the denon and my ps3 because when I get the blue screen of the hdmi dropout I directly connect the ps3 to my pj and get picture. To test, I switched my Panny bd30 to the Denon and the dropouts are worse because it locks up the Panny when it drops hdmi. Now back to projector talk...

I have proven that my problem is not in the source component. It's either in the Denon, the Sony VPL-VW200 or the combination of the two.

I have proven that my problem is not in the source component. It's either in the Denon, the Sony VPL-VW200 or the combination of the two.

I posted the following on the Oppo thread just a few days back:

I have used my regionfree Oppo BDP-83 for a few weeks now. I am very pleased with it but one fault seems to be poping up again and again. If I play SD PAL discs, wether it be on Blue Ray (SD extras) or DVD the picture and sound drop out again and again on irregular basis, like the player cant get a clean signal to work with. Ive found the solution to be to change the system setup from MULTI SYSTEM to PAL when playing these PAL discs and all returns to normal. No problems like this pop up with HD material, DVD-Audio, SA-CD and CD, just with PAL SD material. I was wondering if anyone else has had a problem like this?

I see that you have a VW200 and Oppo BDP-83 like me and we both have a link in the chain, you a Denon, me a Meridian HD621. I noticed my problem after downloading the latest Oppo firmware a couple of weeks back. Do you see any similaritry to your problem here? Just wondering.:rolleyes:

I haven't seen any problems attributable to the Oppo BDP-83, but I don't play PAL discs. Good luck. :)

I haven't seen any problems attributable to the Oppo BDP-83, but I don't play PAL discs. Good luck. :)

Well no problem really as I just put the Oppo on PAL when these dropouts start and all is well. Not much trouble with the easy "on the fly menu access" of the Oppo. I hope it will stop as suddenly as it began, maybe with the next Oppo firmware? At least I know that I have had no such problems with my resent two other Blue Ray players, three HD-DVD players and three DVD players in the source to HD621 to VW200 chain. So all points to the Oppo and its workings with the HD621 and VW200. Anyway your issue looks more problematic as you do not have the quick solution of the PAL setting like me. So good luck and keep us posted to the solution of your problem that will hopefully pop up sooner or later.;)

There is an outfit called bpcvalue dot com that sells Sony B stock products. They have listed a SRX-R105.B (the .B means B stock) 4K projector. List for 68k, there price is under 19k.
If anyone wants to play with a 4k projector, looks like a great deal.
If anyone picks this up, I hope you report back here how well it plays.

Here is a link to the Sony data sheet on the SRX-R105.

http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/docs/brochures/sxrd_large-venue_high-resolution_brochure.pdf

Here is a link to the Sony data sheet on the SRX-R105.

http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/docs/brochures/sxrd_large-venue_high-resolution_brochure.pdf

I like THIS ONE (http://www.bpcvalue.com/SaleDetail.cfm?Rec_Num=13519) better ;)

"""I like THIS ONE better"""

WHY?

"""I like THIS ONE better"""

WHY?

All Sony 4K PJ's need serious loving care.

I would worry that a "B" stock one needs excessive loving care.

Since BOTH PJs are close to each other in price. I'd Choose the
one that is NOT "B" stock just to play it safe.

Is it true that the lens in the 200 is the same in the non zenon models?

Is it true that the lens in the 200 is the same in the non zenon models?

I've never heard that non-xenon models have a Zeiss lens. The VPL-VW200 does.

Thanks,

Nick :cool:

IIRC it was said that the were the same, my bad on the (sp). Regardless, last time I looked, the screen still looked pretty good for an old girl. ;)

Looks like joerods been playing around with a VW85.:eek: Well Joerod how does it compare to the VW200?:rolleyes:

I have obviously loved the VW200 since I had one of the first ones in November 2007. Its colors are just about impossible to beat. It has a really "cool" lighted logo. :D It has a classy look with its Dark Blue and Gray body. So what does the 85 have?

The VW85 is smaller and vents its heat out the front. Which after a long football marathon my room is noticably less hot! It is obviously what Sony calls Midnight black with tiny blue flecks. There is no "cool" lighted Sony logo. :D Others...?

The remotes are both very nice on both units. The VW85 has more direct command options like Motion Enhancer. It is also easier to switch inputs. Both have Blanking, DFI and MotionFlow.

The VW85 has Lens shift (by using the remote) for both vertical and horizontal. The VW200 does not and its a pain to move the image over using a long screwdriver (not to mention stressful).

How about the most important subject... The Image?

Simply put the overall image is very close. I still think you get "more" with the 85 which is evident with the letters of title screens and preview screens. I know both are 1080p but the resolution seems better (than any projector I have had in my theater to date) on the 85. Sharpness is also pretty close but I think the 85 gets the nod. Colors are not to far off but the 200s are still slightly better. Slightly. They (Sony) are on to something with their newly designed Ultra Bright pressure lamp system. Speaking of Bright the 85 seems like it is a lot brighter and since I doubt it has the "drop off" my 200s had it should remain pretty bright for a long time. Not to mention the 85's lamps are much cheaper! Motion-wise both handle it very well.

Others... again? The VW85 definitely beats the 200s gamma settings. Not only being able to pick one of 11 (including off) you also get to adjust Black and White levels for each one. Now this allows optimal tweaking for movies and for sports. That alone is a feature that makes it worth it to me.

Finally... Is it worth it to dump the 200 for the 85? That all depends. Honestly if you never compare one to the 85 you will be fine. Once you do and you start seeing just how much more flexible the 85 is then you will want to. The 85 adds the little things you might be missing on the 200. My advice, stay away and RUN! :D Seriously, both are terrific projectors and both will do just fine anywhere. Yes, I will always love the 200 and its lighted logo but the 85 was love at first sight (or FBI Warning screen)...

As I work more with it I will post more observations of both... :)

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As I work more with it I will post more observations of both... :)

That will be interesting to see. I would think the VW200 would have the upper hand when it comes to the lens and lamp, well it will be very interesting to see what you come up with in your "experiments". Look forward to your next posting on the VW200 thread. ;)

....
As I work more with it I will post more observations of both... :)

Is the convergence system the same on both, able to converge perfectly?

Is the convergence system the same on both, able to converge perfectly?

Pretty much the same system. The VW85 I have is nearly at 100% convergence. It resembles a one chipper! :D

Pretty much the same system. The VW85 I have is nearly at 100% convergence. It resembles a one chipper! :D

NOW that kind of convergence is why you like the picture http://www.rx8web.com/smilies/bouncy.gif

I agree with Joes comments comparing the VW100/200 platform to the VW85. I no longer have my 200 but I did compare the 85 to the 100. The 100 still has the rich saturated colors. I once had the PDF that showed two processing boards in the 100/200 that was responsible for the color yet missing from the other models that keeps the 200 its flagship. I wish I could find the darn thing.
The 85 has the new features that may be important to someone. As Joe mentioned the 85 lacks the xenon lamp so light drop off should be minimum. Very nice machine and while the colors are not has rich as the 200 it still has great color.
Anyone with a 200 I would stay put. Anyone buying new you will probably want to go with the 85.
Ether way..Sony makes one sharp looking projector!

I agree with Joes comments comparing the VW100/200 platform to the VW85. I no longer have my 200 but I did compare the 85 to the 100. The 100 still has the rich saturated colors. I once had the PDF that showed two processing boards in the 100/200 that was responsible for the color yet missing from the other models that keeps the 200 its flagship. I wish I could find the darn thing.
The 85 has the new features that may be important to someone. As Joe mentioned the 85 lacks the xenon lamp so light drop off should be minimum. Very nice machine and while the colors are not has rich as the 200 it still has great color.
Anyone with a 200 I would stay put. Anyone buying new you will probably want to go with the 85.
Ether way..Sony makes one sharp looking projector!

How is the light output of the 85 compared to the 100 that I have.
That convergence is great:D Wish the 100 had it that good.