Are the T2 (UK) and Silent Hill (German) better PQ wise on the HD DVD or Blu Ray format? The reason i ask is cause I really wanna get these now for my HD DVD collection but since imma get a Blu Ray player in the upcoming months i dont want to spend extra on shipping if i can just wait it out if the products are the same. I dont mind the wait but i really want the best PQ for both of these flicks, can someone help me out? No fanboy respones please.

Based on users' opinions, the consensus would suggest that the HD DVD versions are superior to their Blu-ray counterparts.

Ive heard that the Silent Hill Is much better looling and the T2 is noticably better but Germany is Remastering and releasing an ultimate edition Q1 next year so i would wait. It seems that almost anytime a HD import comes out its superior to the Bluray

The German Silent Hill HD DVD is reference quality and the French T2 looks a bit better than the Blu-ray, but I suspect it's definitely not the best it can be.

i have both the imports and they both look pretty good. I haven't seen the blu-ray versions to compare.

Silent Hill is the standout.

... T2 is noticably better but Germany is Remastering and releasing an ultimate edition Q1 next year so i would wait.

Do you happen to have a link for this? I love T2 and was going to ask for the Studio Canal version for the holidays.
If there is going to be a German UE soon, I will definately wait..since I would rather not have the "PAL audio" issues and would love to not double dip later for the extras.

Do you happen to have a link for this? I love T2 and was going to ask for the Studio Canal version for the holidays.
If there is going to be a German UE soon, I will definately wait..since I would rather not have the "PAL audio" issues and would love to not double dip later for the extras.

Terminator 2 (French edition) doesn't have the "PAL audio" issue.

The German edition is coming sometime in early 2008 (no concrete date yet) and only contains the Director's Cut (French set has both the theatical and Director's cut)

Here's a YouTube video showing off the extras from the upcoming German edition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A4UKRwSZZo

Terminator 2 (French edition) doesn't have the "PAL audio" issue.

The German edition is coming sometime in early 2008 (no concrete date yet) and only contains the Director's Cut (French set has both the theatical and Director's cut)

Here's a YouTube video showing off the extras from the upcoming German edition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A4UKRwSZZo

Whoops..sorry about that, my bad. I got T2 mixed up with TR(Total Recall) another Studio Canal title that I am VERY interested in.

MAN!! That YouTube clip makes me want it NOW!!! That looks totally cool.

Thanks for the input guys, ill be getting at Silent Hill for my HD DVD player then. Ill wait out for the T2 till i hear reviews for german edition. It looks like its gonna kick ass that for sure.

I own both versions of Silent Hill, the HD DVD and the BD, and I feel the HD DVD looks better.

I have the French version of T2 on HD DVD and think it looks fine, but I don't have the BD version to compare it to.

This is my most wanted HD-DVD catalog title and am hoping for the best with the German import once it is released.So far it looks to be well worth the wait and i prefer the Directors extended cut better anyways so that is good to seer it is the Driectors Cut.

I've had both Silent Hill versions (Blu ray & HD DVD) and to be honest I didn't see much difference if any in terms of PQ. However I didn't do a side by side comparison before I sold the HD DVD version, I kept the Blu ray as I could take advantage of the uncompressed PCM via 5.1 analogue outputs. The blu ray sounds awesome.

There was a screenshot comparison quite a while ago that showed a rediculous amount of noise that was in the BD but absent for the HD-DVD version of Silent Hill, it was extremly noticable, I plan to make the import as I love the gore and effects in this movie, especially the big evil guy ( lol didn't want to say his name for spoilers )

There was a screenshot comparison quite a while ago that showed a rediculous amount of noise that was in the BD but absent for the HD-DVD version of Silent Hill, it was extremly noticable, I plan to make the import as I love the gore and effects in this movie, especially the big evil guy ( lol didn't want to say his name for spoilers )

I think you're nit picking. I've seen both versions and if you did not pause, its quite hard to notice the differences. At least for silent hill that's the case. So its fine to go with blu ray for silent hill. However for T2, it was quite obvious that the hd dvd is superior to blu ray. They did a better mastering so I'd hardly say it was the technology at fault. But we all know they'll rerelease T2 again on blu ray anyway, it's begging for one. Haha. Maybe it'll be better, if not, there'll always be the hd dvd copy. :) If I were you, I'd rent the title first.

, especially the big evil guy ( lol didn't want to say his name for spoilers )

I totally agree.. that big evil guy is pretty scary, even thou I unfortunately never get scared by horror flix any more.
Silent Hill is clearly one of the better horror movies I have seen the last couple of years.

I have T2 on BR and not HD-DVD. The sound was better than normal but the video want anything special on HD. I think it was a waist of mulla just like I figured any 10+ year old movie would be in HD. I haven’t tried T2 DVD on my A30 up scaled but I should compare the two :)

Here is a comparison of the two versions of Silent Hill (http://www.mbmg.de/hd-discs/silenthill_bd-vs-hd/01.html). The HD DVD looks better.
Here is a comparison of the two versions of Terminator 2 (http://www.mbmg.de/hd-discs/terminator2_bd-vs-hd/01.html). The HD DVD looks better.

I think it was a waist of mulla just like I figured any 10+ year old movie would be in HD.

Boy, you are dead wrong there. If anything, older movies benefit MORE from HD than newer ones.

Here is a comparison of the two versions of Silent Hill (http://www.mbmg.de/hd-discs/silenthill_bd-vs-hd/01.html). The HD DVD looks better.

Uhhhh.... :confused:

The full frame looks 100% identical to me, and the only difference in the zoomed in close-up is that the grain pattern is in a different position, indicating that the grabs are from slightly different frames. If you see some vast difference in quality between those two screen shots, it isn't making its way to my computer monitor.

The edges seem to be slightly sharper in the HD DVD versions of these stills.

Uhhhh.... :confused:

The full frame looks 100% identical to me, and the only difference in the zoomed in close-up is that the grain pattern is in a different position, indicating that the grabs are from slightly different frames. If you see some vast difference in quality between those two screen shots, it isn't making its way to my computer monitor.
http://www.lyris-lite.net/2007/09/silent_hill_german_hd_dvd_and.html

Uhhhh.... :confused:

The full frame looks 100% identical to me, and the only difference in the zoomed in close-up is that the grain pattern is in a different position, indicating that the grabs are from slightly different frames. If you see some vast difference in quality between those two screen shots, it isn't making its way to my computer monitor.

Agreed, if anything I think the overall sharpness of the Blu-Ray in comparison 1 is slightly better. Either way, I definitely do not agree with the poster who said the HD DVD is "much better looking".

Oh, and to the OP - I know there's no "format neutral" forum, but honestly, go to an HD forum, get an HD answer. Same would be true in BR forum no doubt, especially when the differences are as subtle as they are. I would focus more on features that you want or any differences that your hardware may have to select one format over the other. And of course cost, if that matters to you.

But I will say this as a format neutral yet admittedly Blu-leaning follower - the Blu version of T2 looks horrible. It's really, really...really soft. I have never seen either of the imports, nor the Blu-Ray make of Silent Hill, so I can't honestly comment on those. Even as a die-hard fan of T2, I could NOT bring myself to buy the Blu-Ray version after seeing it on a Rental. Hopefully they'll remaster soon. If it's anything like the DVD version, I'll try to hold out another 4 releases to get what I'm looking for. :)

Well that T2 looks better to me thats for sure. And that second link of Silent Hill shows a big differance in both, the HD blows the BR version out of the water without question. I glad i ordered it.

Uhhhh.... :confused:

The full frame looks 100% identical to me, and the only difference in the zoomed in close-up is that the grain pattern is in a different position, indicating that the grabs are from slightly different frames. If you see some vast difference in quality between those two screen shots, it isn't making its way to my computer monitor.


They're the same frame. The water hasn't moved. But I noticed this too on other Silent Hill comparisons that were posted. It makes me wonder how much "grain" is actually video noise introduced by the transfer/compression process. And I'm not a grain hater; I much prefer it to noise reduction.

I thought the Blu-Ray looked better on comparison one. The HD-DVD on comparison two. But in the back of my mind, I now wonder if that's because of added nice sharp noise, masquerading as grain.

They're the same frame. The water hasn't moved.

Neither HD DVD nor Blu-ray (nor standard DVD) offer the ability to selectively target a specific frame of fim from the 24 fps running speed. With the way digital compression works, redundant data is stored once and carried over from frame to frame. While these two images are clearly from the same shot, and perhaps even narrowed down to the same second, I find it extremely unlikely that the person taking them was able to isolate the exact same film frame for both.

In any case, it's not like one of those shots is more or less grainy than the other. They're both grainy. It's just that the grain has shifted in its pattern.

I didn't really think all that highly of the Blu-ray transfer. If the HD DVD really does look better, that would be nice. I just don't see any big difference in that particular comparison.

Neither HD DVD nor Blu-ray (nor standard DVD) offer the ability to selectively target a specific frame of fim from the 24 fps running speed. With the way digital compression works, redundant data is stored once and carried over from frame to frame. While these two images are clearly from the same shot, and perhaps even narrowed down to the same second, I find it extremely unlikely that the person taking them was able to isolate the exact same film frame for both.

In any case, it's not like one of those shots is more or less grainy than the other. They're both grainy. It's just that the grain has shifted in its pattern.

I didn't really think all that highly of the Blu-ray transfer. If the HD DVD really does look better, that would be nice. I just don't see any big difference in that particular comparison.

I have to respectfully disagree. If they were different film frames, you'd be able to see the water in a different position. Trust me on this, I have to go through movies frame by frame every day. The water would be far more different than a grain structure change. I have no idea how these images were captured, but however they were, the exact same frame was found. Which again makes me wonder about the noise changes.