http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/1188/stardust.html

Another Paramount release with DD+ isntead of TrueHD.

I just don't get this company.

In the age of HD, not including a lossless track is unforgiveable.

I swear, if they release the Star Trek TNG movies in DD+, I'm gonna go postal.

I dunno, but I haven't been disappointed at all with most of the DD+ tracks out there.

+1.

I am forced to turn up my telly / receiver volume every time I switch to DD+ track. It doesn't carry enough punch like the lossless tracks. It may be good at times but not excellent. To me it sounds like poor man's DTHD or PCM. Paramount had the guts to feature DTHD on titles like Mighty Heart and leave important titles on scrutiny. A real shame on Paramount.

Don't bash me. Bash Paramount for not delivering lossless audio on good titles.

+1.

I am forced to turn up my telly / receiver volume every time I switch to DD+ track. It doesn't carry enough punch like the lossless tracks. It may be good at times but not excellent. To me it sounds like poor man's DTHD or PCM. Paramount had the guts to feature DTHD on titles like Mighty Heart and leave important titles on scrutiny. A real shame on Paramount.

Don't bash me. Bash Paramount for not delivering lossless audio on good titles.

I am really tired of trolling posts. If you actually did any research its actually our lossless tracks that seem to be recorded at a lower volume. Is there a nice way I can ask you to stop looking for "lossless" threads to to post this crap?

I am really tired of trolling posts. If you actually did any research its actually our lossless tracks that seem to be recorded at a lower volume. Is there a nice way I can ask you to stop looking for "lossless" threads to to post this crap?

DD+ is NOT as good as LPCM or True HD, not a chance in a lifetime! Seriously, it does sound very good, better than normal DD, but let's not overdo it, PLEASE! :rolleyes:

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/1188/stardust.html

Another Paramount release with DD+ isntead of TrueHD.

I just don't get this company.

In the age of HD, not including a lossless track is unforgiveable.

I swear, if they release the Star Trek TNG movies in DD+, I'm gonna go postal.

This is nothing but a rehash of the Transformers lossless threads that were one of the primary reasons for this site devolving the way it did and led to the forum being taken down by the site owners.

This is nothing but a rehash of the Transformers lossless threads that were one of the primary reasons for this site devolving the way it did and led to the forum being taken down by the site owners.

I agree.

I would also like to add that Paramount seems to be "locked-in" on their audio strategy, and no amount of complaining here will change it. Our complaints may have worked with Universal, but Paramount will likely continue to be very selective as to what releases get a lossless audio encode.

DD+ tracks can be very, very good....Just never better than 24 bit lossless or TRUE HD tracks. So, why not wish for those? Disney has been providing many, many 24 bit / 48 kHz tracks on almost all of their releases. There is no reason Paramount can't do the same - particularly for marquis releases if there is the space to do so. This is an enthusiast's site, don't be offended if folks here pine for the best technology can provide.:)

DD+ is NOT as good as LPCM or True HD, not a chance in a lifetime! Seriously, it does sound very good, better than normal DD, but let's not overdo it, PLEASE! :rolleyes:
It's not "as good" when you look at it from a technical viewpoint. However, all that really matters in the end is how it sounds. I think Transformers has proven that it can run with the best of them. Lossless mixes have the ability to preserve far more (or all) of the studio mix, but a lot of that is in the inaudible ranges.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/1188/stardust.html

Another Paramount release with DD+ isntead of TrueHD.

I just don't get this company.

In the age of HD, not including a lossless track is unforgiveable.

I swear, if they release the Star Trek TNG movies in DD+, I'm gonna go postal.

After Transformers, I couldn't care less whether the track is DD+ or TrueHD.

Other fantastic DD+? Wyatt Earp, Superman (both in 640k no less), Waterworld (my favorite score of all time), The Rundown, Lost in Translation (great, with what little it had to work with), King Kong, and Disturbia.

When DD+ is this good, one can imagine that the reason TrueHD is not being used all that often now is because it really just doesn't give very much improvement.

It's like getting the second pick in a baseball fantasy draft: Alex Rodriguez or Albert Pujols?

If I had Pujols, I certainly wouldn't be complaining that i don't have Arod.

As long as we're talking about 1.5mbps DD+ I'm not going to be inclined to complain, as I'm quite happy with the audio quality demonstrated on Transformers and many of the Uni titles. It's the 640k tracks that frustrate me and are worth being vocal about.

In a perfect world I'd love 24bit lossless wherever possible, but we live in world damn far from perfect, and DD+ is not one of the reasons it is that way. I think it's a better fight right now to look to Warner to get those lower bitrate tracks up to an acceptable minimum standard rather than hold others to a lofty lossless ideal.

DD+ tracks can be very, very good....Just never better than 24 bit lossless or TRUE HD tracks. So, why not wish for those? Disney has been providing many, many 24 bit / 48 kHz tracks on almost all of their releases. There is no reason Paramount can't do the same - particularly for marquis releases if there is the space to do so. This is an enthusiast's site, don't be offended if folks here pine for the best technology can provide.:)
You can't really do lossless 24bit tracks on HD DVD because of bandwidth (eats too much into video's bandwidth). However a properly dithered 16bit lossless is a much better option than a lossy DD+ track and only takes about twice the bandwidth.

I think it's a better fight right now to look to Warner to get those lower bitrate tracks up to an acceptable minimum standard rather than hold others to a lofty lossless ideal.

I for one am already contributing to that effort. Except for "must have" titles, which are less than a dozen in total, I absolutely under no circumstance will buy or rent a Warner title that does not have lossless.

You can't really do lossless 24bit tracks on HD DVD because of bandwidth (eats too much into video's bandwidth).

Is this really the case?

Is this really the case?

Off the top of my head I believe that 24bit lossless takes about 6.9Mbps and TrueHD doesn't do as good a job on 24bit as it does on 16bit. So you have to allocate close to 6.9Mbps just for the track. Add in a couple of DD+ tracks and sub titles and you are getting close to 10Mbps. This would only leave a little over 20Mbps for video.

Edit: Just checked the Dolby Site.
24bit is 6.9Mbps and TrueHD peaks at 5.0Mbps (Also believe that this number is overly optimistic)
16bit is 4.6Mbps and TrueHD peaks at 3.0Mbps

This is nothing but a rehash of the Transformers lossless threads that were one of the primary reasons for this site devolving the way it did and led to the forum being taken down by the site owners.

Correct!

This kind of Studio bashing is against the New AVS rules!!!

This thread has been reported.

It doesn't bother me if DD+ is on a disc as long as it sounds good. The fact is DD+ IS a new format made for the next generation of home video. It just isn't lossless.

I will also agree with Warner needing to at least use 1.5mbps though.

DD+ is NOT as good as LPCM or True HD, not a chance in a lifetime! Seriously, it does sound very good, better than normal DD, but let's not overdo it, PLEASE! :rolleyes:

I am not saying it is. I was a.) having an issue with this particular poster who goes into every thread (including ones not related to audio) and makes a bunch of baseless remarks in regards to lossless. I am a fan of lossless, but I am sure anyone that has more then two HD-DVD's know that TrueHD has a dialnorm setting set that requires in comparison to DD+ the volume to be turned up higher. This is exactly the opposite of the remarks he made.

Hasn't this site had enough lossy vs lossless audio threads???

Hasn't this site had enough lossy vs lossless audio threads???

Yes and with that this one is closed