View Full Version : Mitsubishi WD-65734 has inferior picture.


ButtfaceLicker
12-04-07, 03:03 PM
I'm disappointed at the picture quality of the WD-65734 when viewing any content. I just gave my WS-65813 rear projection unit to my parents since they needed a TV, have a much larger house than me, and I was "upgrading" to the 65734. I definitely didn't "upgrade" here... I don't like the way this DLP technology adds all sorts of digital artifacts during still and moving scenes. You can clearly see "building-blocks" type of rendering of the signal on the display, even at 12 ft viewing distance. It is NOTHING like the rear projection CRT in terms of sharpness (the 734's digital artifacts smooth out the edges prematurely) and realism/depth (the 734 is nowhere as life-like as the 813). The 734 looks like a it's trying to stream a lossy-compressed signal, almost as if it were a mid-quality mpeg file. HDTV broadcasts are better of course, but instead of seeing all the detail that was intended, I'm distracted by all the digital artifacts around the edges of things! Green and white colors have this especially distracting graininess almost like a glittery effect. Why did everyone hype up this "DLP - it's all in the mirrors" technology as if it were an upgrade? It looks nothing as realistic as my TV from 2003 did.

Shape
12-04-07, 04:33 PM
That was the same impression I got from viewing that same TV in a local Best Buy. The compression artifacts just jumped out of the screen. I thought it was due to the video source. Apparently not.

Check out the Sony KDS-60A3000. That is what I ended up with, and I couldn't be happier with the TV.

Newer DLPs use diamond shaped pixels in order to display, and to me it has always led to odd looking artifacts, as well as softer looking details.

nayrlladnar
12-04-07, 04:37 PM
Um... Hmm, my WD65734 is stunning. :confused: I don't know much about television technology, so I'm not going to try to quantify my experience versus yours. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones. -shrug-

Jagged68
12-04-07, 04:49 PM
I don't know, maybe you dont have it calibrated right. Did you take it out of torch mode? People that see my 65833 say it looks better than Plasma. Hell, the last comment i got was 'this looks like 3D!'

patrickvo
12-04-07, 05:01 PM
Return it then. It is hard for us to help you out if you don't tell us what equipments you have and how they are hooked up. I have 2 DLPs and they are both beautiful when they are hooked up correctly. Currently, I have one of them hooked up using S-video and it does look like crap. The other one, I have it hooked up with HDMI and it is stunning with HD feed.

ButtfaceLicker
12-04-07, 05:26 PM
Have any of you guys compared the 734 with a rear projection CRT on the same setup? The DLP gives the impression of an LCD with all the digital artifacts. I'm assuming this is just one of those analog vs. digital things...

I have a Scientific Atlanta Explorer 3100HD cable box from Time Warner via progressive cables. I have not yet tried HDMI-anything but the digital artifacts (macroblocking) are evident when watching sources from the Xbox 360, Pioneer DV-563A DVD player, or the cable box. All components' settings were unchanged since the removal of the WS-65813that this 734 replaced.

I've followed all recommendations here at the avsforum regarding settings for the TV itself. Do you guys see that brilliant glittery grid on white images? That's one thing. The motion is better on the 734 (not as jagged/flickery as the crt) but you definitely cant sit as close as you could with the crt. There's MPEG-like resolution noise everywhere, alll the time. I can see where they were trying to go with the technology but that noise was NOT there before when I was looking at the Mits CRT. It is inherent in the TV.. could DLP just be much more sensitive to the signal? What if it does it on every signal?

ButtfaceLicker
12-04-07, 05:36 PM
When I look at a bright colors, I see those glittery, microscopic dots in my vision, in front of the 2D image being broadcast.. kinda like a different layer. Now THAT artifact looks 3D but it overpowers the image being viewed. If you go to your DLP set and look at the signal from a foot away, you can get a better idea of what I'm talking about with the digital noise too. You can see many different blocks of colors making up a solid colors. It's just not as exact/resolute as the CRT, given the same settings. If you can, try to compare the PQ from a Mitsubishi Diamond RPCRT and you'll see what I mean. I'm not aware of a new DLP requiring anything more special for the signal than the crt used.

nesto719
12-04-07, 08:50 PM
what you are seeing is sse ( silk screen effect) and to my knowlege all rp tvs use these screens , and its annoying as ****. this is what the grainy speckles are.

ButtfaceLicker
12-05-07, 01:25 AM
Thanks for letting me know what the speckles were. What about the low bitrate pixel noise?

danielwd
12-05-07, 01:35 AM
Thanks for letting me know what the speckles were. What about the low bitrate pixel noise?

How far are you viewing your tv?

JOHNnDENVER
12-05-07, 07:33 AM
How long have you had it?

Calibrate and give it a week.

Hipnotiq
12-05-07, 11:27 AM
The WS65813 is probably the best mass market consumer TV ever made.

Shape
12-05-07, 11:42 AM
The WS65813 is probably the best mass market consumer TV ever made.

Not that I have any way to disprove this, but what is your rationale for this statement?

rburly
12-05-07, 12:11 PM
I consider the OP a troll and this thread to be spam.