I was trying new mini hi-fi, and when i asked to see the remote of any model, the clerk said to me that they were not avaiable. He had to go somewhere away in order to pick up some of the remotes of models that interested me. I wonder how it is possible to sell hi fi without having remkotes at hand? It is weird but when they sell hi fi the only specs they used to talk about is the max out power. WTF?

It looks like all of them were poorly executed and way far from being ergonomic. It was impossible to command any device without looking constantly to the remote.

The same thing for tv's remotes. I saw some models and none pf them were made to perfectly fit the human hand and button distances from the center.

Rigt now the only remote that has correct ergonomics specs is the sat remote from NOKIA. I has all the bottons in the correct place and the crossalike switch is very comfortable. In a couple pf minutes it is possible to use the sat reciever without ever watching the remote. But it is the only good remote of all the dovices at home.

I was wondering how many of you have perfectly shaped remotes with ergonomic commands and how many of your remotes do not fully meet the ergonomics specs.

OEM remotes are garbage, and always have been. There is only one exception that I've found in all the components I've ever owned. That's the Dish remote that comes with 522/722 DVRs (probably the 622 also, but I don't have that model). This is the most ergonomic remote I've every found - it beats the high end universal ones (in ergonomics, but not in features). I very much like the MX-500 universal remote I have now. The features can't be beat for the price. But the ergonomics can - by the lowly Dish remote. Never-the-less, I consider the MX-500 to be more ergonomic than most any other remote, except the Dish one.

... There is only one exception that I've found in all the components I've ever owned. That's the Dish remote that comes with 522/722 DVRs (probably the 622 also, but I don't have that model). ...

I agree about the Dish 622 remote being awesome - and it comes in a UHF version also. :)

It kind of depends. I agree, but sometimes we get used to a style of remote and moving to another becomes difficult.
Based on teh remotes I see out there I should sell them my own designs. I have one that is really close to what others are doing and I have another designed for one hand and that is a mouse.

Ergonimicity cannot be a real word ;)

Do you have pics of the remotes you are talking about? I cannot find the pic of mine. If I'll find it I'l post it here.

Some companies actually pay attention to remotes;).

http://www.bkcomp.com/products/remotes/

It's basically an MX-700 branded for B&K:D.

The TiVo peanut is a very ergonomic remote as well.

I agree that the URC MX*** series up to 850 are good for ergonomics/programming capability

Parasound has a rebranded MX700 as well.

The URC MX series is well designed up and down the line for ergonomics. Well spaced buttons and not too many of them. In stead, for more control you use the soft buttons and page through the display shown. Highly recommended. OEM (unless of course, re-badged URC's) are horrible!