I will be getting one of these 2 systems for Xmas and would like some input as to which console would best suit my needs. Here are some important factors:

1. Am mostly a sports gamer. I've read where some people have observed FPS issues with some PS3 sports games, but not all report problems. Otherwise, it seems both systems are relatively even, though MLB the Show interests me alot on PS3.

2. I am interested in using the console as a DVD player, which seems to favor the PS3 with the BRay built-in. What other advantages does the PS3 have over the XBOX360 in this regard?

3. I'm likely limited in spending only $400 for the system, unless I were to just ask for it in cash and save up for the more expensive versions. If I choose xbox360, I'll save the $50 up for the elite for sure. Is there a valid reason I'd want the 80GB PS3 over the 40GB version? I have no ps2 games, so that's not a consideration. I would prefer to buy the 40 and save $100, but am a little concerned the 40 GB may be limited in some way in the future (not sure the concern is valid, however).

4. Using the console as a media center isn't a primary factor right now, but I would like to know which console is better as I may be interested in this in the future.

I have been leaning towards a PS3 purchase and would like some input as I make my decision. I will be using the console on a 52" LCD RP 720p, if that matters. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Pat

I will be getting one of these 2 systems for Xmas and would like some input as to which console would best suit my needs. Here are some important factors:

1. Am mostly a sports gamer. I've read where some people have observed FPS issues with some PS3 sports games, but not all report problems. Otherwise, it seems both systems are relatively even, though MLB the Show interests me alot on PS3.

2. I am interested in using the console as a DVD player, which seems to favor the PS3 with the BRay built-in. What other advantages does the PS3 have over the XBOX360 in this regard?

3. I'm likely limited in spending only $400 for the system, unless I were to just ask for it in cash and save up for the more expensive versions. If I choose xbox360, I'll save the $50 up for the elite for sure. Is there a valid reason I'd want the 80GB PS3 over the 40GB version? I have no ps2 games, so that's not a consideration. I would prefer to buy the 40 and save $100, but am a little concerned the 40 GB may be limited in some way in the future (not sure the concern is valid, however).

4. Using the console as a media center isn't a primary factor right now, but I would like to know which console is better as I may be interested in this in the future.

I have been leaning towards a PS3 purchase and would like some input as I make my decision. I will be using the console on a 52" LCD RP 720p, if that matters. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Pat

this seems like a bait question... but oh well..

point #1. definitely favors the 360. games run better and look better

point #2 favors the PS3.

point #3 depends on your spending.

point #4 favors the 360

either way, you're going to have a great time on either system. it doesn't appear gaming is a major priority. in that case, definitely get the PS3. PS3 is good now and getting better (definitely will be awesome in 2008) in the gaming department, but not quite where the 360 is.

360 is much better overall in games right now but that could change as programmers get used to PS3 development. But for most games, the 360 version is better and has better online support.

But if there is a game you definitely want and it's on PS3, go get it. Either system is fine in the big picture.

1. I dont know from experience but ive heard that the sports games, EA, are pretty bad on the ps3. I generally like these games and will not get one for my ps3 until they get better, it may take them 1 more maybe even 2 generations before they get it figured out, I believe it took them 2 for the 360, but I have had no direct contact with any of the games, so whats bad to one may be ok to another, take it for what its worth.

2. you say DVDs?? you mean regular DVDS?? if so it will not matter, if you want blu ray, obviously get the ps3, there are some that will but wait you can get a 360 with the HDdvd add one, but once you add that you have actually paid the same, or even more for a 360 than ps3. at this point hd dvd players are a lot less expensive that blu ray players and getting cheaper by the day it seems, you can always get a stand alone hddvd player down the road if you want.

3. the only differences between the 40g and the 80 is that the 40 has no BC...for ps2 games at least, it only has 2 usb slots I believe and im not sure if it has the card readers. other than that there the same, I dont see how it could be limited by anything in the future by anything, unless you wanted to play a ps2 game. it still has the cell, blu ray, wireless and HDMI 1.3. it will still play any ps3 game out there.

4. for the media center id have to go with ps3 again, although they can probably do a good job. the ps3 does have an easily upgradeable HDD, as far as I know the 360 does not.

this all looks pretty pro ps3, it is, but a word of warning...if you want to play lots of good games right now the ps3 is not for you. its still going through a lot of growing pains and people seem to be having a hard time with the code, the 360 wins out hands down at this point for good games you can play right now. when I got my ps3 last week I wanted to get a game for it, the only one I really found that interested me was COD4, pretty good I may add, but basically that was it. that said there will be great games for the ps3 and despite what some people out there say, I truly believe that people will figure out the code and there will be some amazing games for the ps3, there just arent many right now. if you can live with waiting get a ps3, but if you want great games right now, the 360 is probably more for you. I think both could suit youre needs nicely. I got the ps3 because I wanted blu ray and I can wait for the great games.

This may not be the response that you're looking for but it may help.

To me, the Playstation 3 is a VERY limiting console. When I play Warhawk, I am basically stuck there. If my friends decide to start up a game of Call of Duty, I have no real way of knowing. Sure, I get a message, but I don't want to quit the game just to see what it is. You pick an activity and you have no real way of knowing if there is a better activity going on. The Xbox 360 produces a completely different experience. I could be having a blast playing Gears of War with a friend and notice that 5 friends are playing Halo 3 together. I have the option of staying in GoW or moving on to a more enjoyable activity.

Until the Playstation 3 gets a full in-game XMB that shows what game you're friends are playing, what they are doing in the game, and who they are doing it with, I simply cannot recommend it over the Xbox 360.

However, if you're not interested in online play, I recommend the Playstation 3 for its Blur-ray capabilities and strong library of single player franchises.

In Before The Lock!!

last post b4 LOCK DOWN!!!!

Why is it that whenever there's a comparison post in the PS3 section, the xbox fans jump all over it like the honor of their mother was at stake?

ibtl

research, research, research........Opinions will not get you what you want.

EA has already said that PS3 sports games will have the exact same framerate from this point on so please stop spreading these mistruths.

Thanks alot for all the replies, I appreciate it and this is in no way, a baiting thread, but an honest attempt to get feedback.

As far as the FPS issue goes, why do some report problems and others don't? I've read posts where some say there are FPS issues with some of the sports games and others calling them crazy for thinking so. Is there any variable that would contribute to this discrepancy?

Also, I've been told the PS3 BRay doesn't support 720p, which is the kind of HDTV I have. According to the specs, my HDTV accepts 1080i through component and HDMI, though. I'm a relative noob, so I'm unsure how the BRay would or wouldn't work with my TV (Mitsubishi WD 52531). Any further help would be appreciated.

Please don't lock this thread, I could really use the assistance. I need to make a purchase decision by Tuesday and would like all the input I can get.

Thanks alot for all the replies, I appreciate it and this is in no way, a baiting thread, but an honest attempt to get feedback.

As far as the FPS issue goes, why do some report problems and others don't? I've read posts where some say there are FPS issues with some of the sports games and others calling them crazy for thinking so. Is there any variable that would contribute to this discrepancy?

Also, I've been told the PS3 BRay doesn't support 720p, which is the kind of HDTV I have. According to the specs, my HDTV accepts 1080i through component and HDMI, though. I'm a relative noob, so I'm unsure how the BRay would or wouldn't work with my TV (Mitsubishi WD 52531). Any further help would be appreciated.

Please don't lock this thread, I could really use the assistance. I need to make a purchase decision by Tuesday and would like all the input I can get.


You will be fine with games and BR movies.

PS3 does support Bluray in 720P.

Developers are still coming to grips with with programming for the PS3 vs the 360, since the 360 has had a years headstart. I expect things to improve alot for the PS3 this coming year

I will be getting one of these 2 systems for Xmas and would like some input as to which console would best suit my needs. Here are some important factors:

1. Am mostly a sports gamer. I've read where some people have observed FPS issues with some PS3 sports games, but not all report problems. Otherwise, it seems both systems are relatively even, though MLB the Show interests me alot on PS3.

2. I am interested in using the console as a DVD player, which seems to favor the PS3 with the BRay built-in. What other advantages does the PS3 have over the XBOX360 in this regard?

3. I'm likely limited in spending only $400 for the system, unless I were to just ask for it in cash and save up for the more expensive versions. If I choose xbox360, I'll save the $50 up for the elite for sure. Is there a valid reason I'd want the 80GB PS3 over the 40GB version? I have no ps2 games, so that's not a consideration. I would prefer to buy the 40 and save $100, but am a little concerned the 40 GB may be limited in some way in the future (not sure the concern is valid, however).

4. Using the console as a media center isn't a primary factor right now, but I would like to know which console is better as I may be interested in this in the future.

I have been leaning towards a PS3 purchase and would like some input as I make my decision. I will be using the console on a 52" LCD RP 720p, if that matters. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Pat


1) so far multi-platform sports games have faired better on the 360.

2) PS3 by a landslide in this aspect, even if you include the HD DVD add-on.

3) PS3 comes ahead here as well.

1) Madden 08 and NHL 08 were only 30FPS on PS3, 60FPS on Xbox360. Expect all EA sports games to be identical going forward. Soccer is pretty much identical. Baseball doesn't really benefit either way from a higher FPS.

2) PS3 is a much better DVD player (has a very good upscaler), and also supports Blu-Ray

3) Main reason to get the 80GB is for the backward compatibility and for the game Motorstorm.

4) Got nothing for you. Haven't used them as a media centre.

5) PS3 will support 720P for Blu-Ray. It didn't at launch, but firmware updates added 720P support MONTHS ago.

There are PLENTY of good games on PS3 (sports and non-sports). The Xbots will tell you there aren't but I think they're forgetting all of the games that have come out since August.....

Thanks alot for all the replies, I appreciate it and this is in no way, a baiting thread, but an honest attempt to get feedback.

As far as the FPS issue goes, why do some report problems and others don't? I've read posts where some say there are FPS issues with some of the sports games and others calling them crazy for thinking so. Is there any variable that would contribute to this discrepancy?

Also, I've been told the PS3 BRay doesn't support 720p, which is the kind of HDTV I have. According to the specs, my HDTV accepts 1080i through component and HDMI, though. I'm a relative noob, so I'm unsure how the BRay would or wouldn't work with my TV (Mitsubishi WD 52531). Any further help would be appreciated.

Please don't lock this thread, I could really use the assistance. I need to make a purchase decision by Tuesday and would like all the input I can get.

The PS3 Blu Ray functionality will look fine on your 720p set. It supports 720p, 1080i & 1080p.

research, research, research........Opinions will not get you what you want.

research in the gaming world is a joke. too much fanboyism to sort through the truth. and it's not like you can trust developers either because they have a vested interest.

the only way to avoid FUD is to own both systems and to rent games before you buy.

really, if you are a gamer you own both systems.

to the original poster, just pick a system. you'll be happy with either. draw from a hat, it doesn't matter. you write like your life depended on what system you buy. either system will make you happy.

and when you save up enough, buy the other system.

1. Am mostly a sports gamer. I've read where some people have observed FPS issues with some PS3 sports games, but not all report problems. Otherwise, it seems both systems are relatively even, though MLB the Show interests me alot on PS3.FPS was an issue with EA Sports games on the PS3. That being said I still enjoyed NCAA, but thats only because I didn't have a 360 to compare it to. Going forward all indications are that the FPS issue will be resolved.


2. I am interested in using the console as a DVD player, which seems to favor the PS3 with the BRay built-in. What other advantages does the PS3 have over the XBOX360 in this regard?
Never bought the HD-DVD add-on for the 360, but just the fact that it was an add-on was a letdown for me. Not sure about the quality of play between the two consoles.


3. I'm likely limited in spending only $400 for the system, unless I were to just ask for it in cash and save up for the more expensive versions. If I choose xbox360, I'll save the $50 up for the elite for sure. Is there a valid reason I'd want the 80GB PS3 over the 40GB version? I have no ps2 games, so that's not a consideration. I would prefer to buy the 40 and save $100, but am a little concerned the 40 GB may be limited in some way in the future (not sure the concern is valid, however).

Feature comparison can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#Differences

4. Using the console as a media center isn't a primary factor right now, but I would like to know which console is better as I may be interested in this in the future.[/QUOTE]

Not sure how the 360 fares as I never got around to playing with that aspect of it.


Couple of other thoughts.

1) As others have mentioned the PS3's online friend finding needs some work. On the other hand, it is free unlike the 360.

2) PS3 is quieter. I don't know if it was just my 360 but the one I owned was loud.

3) The PS3 is well put together. Feels like a solid piece of...console. The 360 seemed a little flimsy and overall rushed. I think its pretty well excepted that there are quality problems. Don't know if they exist on the Elite model that you are targeting.

research in the gaming world is a joke. too much fanboyism to sort through the truth. and it's not like you can trust developers either because they have a vested interest.

the only way to avoid FUD is to own both systems and to rent games before you buy.

really, if you are a gamer you own both systems.

to the original poster, just pick a system. you'll be happy with either. draw from a hat, it doesn't matter. you write like your life depended on what system you buy. either system will make you happy.

and when you save up enough, buy the other system.

I will always adamantly disagree with the statement, "if you are a gamer you own both". Even though that is the mantra of this forum and the mods as well to keep civility, I have been a gamer for 30+ years going back to the 70's. You do NOT have to have both or all systems to be a "gamer".

pfalvey, I suggest you take everything you've read here and throw it out the window. You really have no way of knowing who is giving you their honest opinion based on personal experience and who is simply regurgitating negative/positive things they've heard but never experienced.

I suggest you borrow/rent an Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 from someone. Both systems have their ups and down. Coming from the Xbox 360, the Playstation 3 annoys the hell put of me. I am desperately waiting for features that have been available on the Xbox 360 for a while. My friend went from a Playstation 3 to an Xbox 360 and hated the small annoyances.

Just spend a few sittings with each console and see which you like more.

pfalvey, I suggest you take everything you've read here and throw it out the window. You really have no way of knowing who is giving you their honest opinion based on personal experience and who is simply regurgitating negative/positive things they've heard but never experienced.

I suggest you borrow/rent an Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 from someone. Both systems have their ups and down. Coming from the Xbox 360, the Playstation 3 annoys the hell put of me. I am desperately waiting for features that have been available on the Xbox 360 for a while. My friend went from a Playstation 3 to an Xbox 360 and hated the small annoyances.

Just spend a few sittings with each console and see which you like more.


Couldnt of been said better. Truth be told, in my opinion the Wii > 360 > PS3, but then thats my opinion. you may thing PS3 > 360 > Wii....

Either way, this is why as of now i own the 360 and Wii and next pay buyin a PS3 because they all have there advantages.

For Example
360 = Better games, more game options, Xbox Live, Halo, Up converts DVDs, HD addon

Wii = Some of the funnest games you will play, the Wiimote, Mario, Sonic, Virtual Console, and up coming Wii Fit board which will add to gaming

PS3 = Blu Ray, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, HOME (whenever it actually comes out), capability to have the best games on the market


So have fun going by opinion to see what console is suited for you, for alot of people they own atleast 2 of the 3.

I have all 3, and love each one for different reasons, w/ annoyances w/ each one for different reasons.

Forgive my 'in before the lock' post -- it was done b/c these threads, even when started by non-flamers, have pretty much always devolved into flamewars by rule, and the mods have subsequently locked the vast majority of them to avoid strife. It wasn't a cut on you or your original post.

Honestly, I would make a comprehensive list of what you consider 'must-haves' in terms of features, games, available movie titles, capabilities, etc (you've already done it to a degree), and then see to what extent each console can or can't meet your expectations.

I am absolutely in love w/ my ps3's, but I have very different goals from the avg game console owner (lots of movies, uncompressed audio, etc), but some of its file compatibilities as a media server get annoying. I love my 360 for its available games, but the fact that my first one died (after little use) annoyed the hell out of me, and the lack of uncompressed HDDVD soundtracks still kills me. I like my Wii for a change of pace in terms of control systems, but get bored w/ it at times.

Others will have entirely different (and, to them, similarly valid and unique) opinions on each, no doubt.

I just recommend that you do what you're doing. Search around, read up on the aspects of each that are important to you, and enjoy your eventual purchase.

It's nice to see that there are a variety of opinions on the playstation forum and not "PS3 RULZ" type of comments. For me I have the Wii and PS3 and I have to say that I spend 95% of my time in ps3, 5% on my wii. Most of the time the wii gets use when friends stop by. I haven't been tempted by the Xbox so I can't offer much advice there, but I do enjoy the ps3, if you have a nice display and good audio, I think the ps3 can offer a lot in terms of movies and games.

At the end of the day, it really depends on what type of gamer you are. the PS3 and 360 target the same type of gamer, the difference is in types of exclusive games. See which one you like the best.

-Splints

I will always adamantly disagree with the statement, "if you are a gamer you own both". Even though that is the mantra of this forum and the mods as well to keep civility, I have been a gamer for 30+ years going back to the 70's. You do NOT have to have both or all systems to be a "gamer".

Agreed!

pfalvey, I suggest you take everything you've read here and throw it out the window. You really have no way of knowing who is giving you their honest opinion based on personal experience and who is simply regurgitating negative/positive things they've heard but never experienced.

I suggest you borrow/rent an Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 from someone. Both systems have their ups and down. Coming from the Xbox 360, the Playstation 3 annoys the hell put of me. I am desperately waiting for features that have been available on the Xbox 360 for a while. My friend went from a Playstation 3 to an Xbox 360 and hated the small annoyances.

Just spend a few sittings with each console and see which you like more.

Quite a few of my AV decisions have been a result of feedback on this and other forums. Sure it shouldn't be the only part anyones decision making process but I think it can definitely be used as part of one.

I have both the 360 and PS3. I love them both. They both have great games and features. The people that trash one over the other are simply ignorant and do not understand how having both systems be great and successful is only good for them as a consumer. It make ZERO sense to wish that a console would fail. These people have no concept of competition whatsoever. Also, you can't just look at what's available now, you have to look at what's coming in the future.

It's usually pretty easy to recognize blatant fanboyism and ignore it. So far, this thread looks pretty civil.

Anyhow, here are some of my thoughts:

1) "Sports games" is synonymous with "EA sports games." For now, EA is not doing very solid PS3 ports. There've been a bunch of conspiracy theories and whatnot about EA/M$ relationships. Regardless, the end product is that EA's Sports division hasn't gotten their PS3 development working very well yet. But it likely will be just fine in the near future.

2) Despite what others say, I'd say the PS3 is the far superior DVD player, even if you're not interested in Blu-ray. The upscaling capabilities of the PS3 for standard def DVDs are fantastic. If you have a decent AV set-up, the PS3 will far exceed your expectations.

3) It totally depends on what your current AV set-up is and what your interests are. There are more reasons to be interested in an 80gig than its backwards compatability. For example, if you're interested in SACD (5.1 audio), the 40gig won't play them.

4) Again, this depends on your set-up. If you have a good set-up, the PS3 has potentially higher quality audio capacity. If you don't have a higher end set-up, the other console will work for you just as well. In terms of what's currently available, both consoles have roughly equivalent video capabilities.

If it matters, I have all three consoles and enjoy each of them for different reasons.

For the sake of bias, I just hope you ask this question in a Xbox 360 forum somewhere (here or elsewhere).

I own both systems and I will tell you this: When a multi-platform title comes out I get it for the Xbox 360. There is no reason for me to get a multi-platform title on the PS3. Probably 98% of sports titles will be out on both the 360 and PS3.

I have a lot more friends *IN REAL LIFE* that have Xbox 360, therefore my online gaming experience is better on that console.

Though if I could only have one of the two consoles, it would be Xbox 360, for number of games, quality advantage of multi-platform games, and the sheer software library.

Ken

It totally depends on what your current AV set-up is and what your interests are. There are more reasons to be interested in an 80gig than its backwards compatability. For example, if you're interested in SACD (5.1 audio), the 40gig won't play them.

totally forgot about that.

I have a lot more friends *IN REAL LIFE* that have Xbox 360, therefore my online gaming experience is better on that console.

that was one of the things I struggled with also before I got my ps3. I have lots of friends also with xbox/360 and truthfully it will probably be that way for a while, if not for the life of both systems.

in definitely glad to hear that EA is working its issues out for the ps3 games, I miss my football and golf.

I'll give you the straight shot from someone that owns both machines, and who looks at the long term picture quite often.


The PS3 wins this debate hands down. It's the cheaper machine to buy RIGHT NOW. Yes, no one else will tell you that, but if you do the math it's true. It's the more future proof machine, with a bigger hard drive, bluray built in, every single HD feature you could want HDMI 1.3, Dolby TRUEHD, etc.etc.


The 360 is the type of machine that I look at and think "in 5 years am I even going to have a reliable machine to play these games anymore"? The machine is so unreliable it cannot be explained well in a few words. The PS3 feels like a machine that you can put your trust in, and feel comfortable investing in it each time you buy a game for it. I don't get that feeling at all with the 360.


Not to mention, the 360 hit it's software peak this year IMO. Next year is gonna be PS3 dominant, and it's going to have the huge games that everyone is gonna be talking about. I really believe that the 360 is all downhill from this point forward. Look at their release schedule for next year and it's rather troubling.


The last point I'll make is this. When you hear people talk about multiplatform games running better on the 360, and all that. The PS3 has only been out one year right now. Developers are just now getting to know how this system works, and as this year has gone on we've seen PS3 versions of games that look identical to their 360 counterparts. COD4 is a perfect example. This trend will continue to improve in 2008, and I think that entire argument will be a dead issue this time next year.

I will always adamantly disagree with the statement, "if you are a gamer you own both". Even though that is the mantra of this forum and the mods as well to keep civility, I have been a gamer for 30+ years going back to the 70's. You do NOT have to have both or all systems to be a "gamer".

only in the computer and gaming world do you have such fervent fanboyism.

in every other arena, people buy everything. i have a lexus and a bmw. i have a jvc tv with a panasonic vcr and a sony dvd player and pioneer receiver. every other category, most people are brand agnostic except for game systems and computers. and i don't understand why. why are there diehard mac fans?

i grew up a huge Atari fan (2600, 1200XL, 1040ST, Jaguar, Lynx). snes. and i was passionate. i hate commodore with a passion. my friends would show me their superior games, i would show them mine.

but i look back and if i had the money, i would've also gotten an intellivision, a colecovision, a genesis. they had great games that i missed out on. i mean, i could play them for short bits going to friends' houses, but it's not the same.

it was silly to be pro-something. it's still silly to see 30-something, 40-something people say things like "i would never own a pc after owning a mac". "ipod is the best thing ever". "ps3 is far superior." blah blah blah

when we're kids, we have to be selective. mom and dad controlled the purse strings... but now that we have money, we can splurge a bit more... :)

as for fanboyism, i think it follows the underdog mentality. that's why pc owners are indifferent and mac owners are fervent. why genesis owners were fervent and snes were indifferent. why dreamcast was fervent and ps2 was indifferent. when you're in the leadership position, you don't care about the little guys. right now, Wii and 360 are dominant. the tone's changed. u see "less ps3 sux" and more "360 has RROD's!". as soon as PS3 ties the 360 in marketshare, i think both sides will relax a bit more.

research in the gaming world is a joke. too much fanboyism to sort through the truth. and it's not like you can trust developers either because they have a vested interest.

the only way to avoid FUD is to own both systems and to rent games before you buy.

really, if you are a gamer you own both systems.

to the original poster, just pick a system. you'll be happy with either. draw from a hat, it doesn't matter. you write like your life depended on what system you buy. either system will make you happy.

and when you save up enough, buy the other system.


I own the three major consoles. I am fortunate enough to be able to afford all three with numerous games. My purchases were based on my needs and software titles for each. Someone telling me what is best for them or what fits their needs and me basing my conclusion on those would be ludicrous.

I do have a personal favorite but I will let pfavley decide for him/herself. Pfavley, you don't want or need my opinion to make the correct decision for you.

only in the computer and gaming world do you have such fervent fanboyism.

in every other arena, people buy everything. i have a lexus and a bmw. i have a jvc tv with a panasonic vcr and a sony dvd player and pioneer receiver. every other category, most people are brand agnostic except for game systems and computers. and i don't understand why. why are there diehard mac fans?

i grew up a huge Atari fan (2600, 1200XL, 1040ST, Jaguar, Lynx). snes. and i was passionate. i hate commodore with a passion. my friends would show me their superior games, i would show them mine.

but i look back and if i had the money, i would've also gotten an intellivision, a colecovision, a genesis. they had great games that i missed out on. i mean, i could play them for short bits going to friends' houses, but it's not the same.

it was silly to be pro-something. it's still silly to see 30-something, 40-something people say things like "i would never own a pc after owning a mac". "ipod is the best thing ever". "ps3 is far superior." blah blah blah

when we're kids, we have to be selective. mom and dad controlled the purse strings... but now that we have money, we can splurge a bit more... :)

as for fanboyism, i think it follows the underdog mentality. that's why pc owners are indifferent and mac owners are fervent. why genesis owners were fervent and snes were indifferent. why dreamcast was fervent and ps2 was indifferent. when you're in the leadership position, you don't care about the little guys. right now, Wii and 360 are dominant. the tone's changed. u see "less ps3 sux" and more "360 has RROD's!". as soon as PS3 ties the 360 in marketshare, i think both sides will relax a bit more.


Actually Im pretty brand loyal in every aspect of my life. All my phone/internet is handled by the same company. I generally like certain brands of clothing. Given that 20 places serve a certain type of food I generally go with the best one. Unless I buy a truck/big suv I will look towards honda/acura first when buying a car. Why would I buy a toyota/lexus when I know that I like everything about honda/acura?

I don't want to give my opinion on this but will try and help with some facts on cost

A 40gb PS3 will run you $399. That comes with the gaming system, BluRay player and built in wireless. No additional add ons are necessary.

To get a similar built 360:

A 20gb 360 will run you $350. That comes with the gaming system. Add another $175 or so for the HD DVD player and about $80 for a wireless adaptor (assuming you want do not want to hook up to Live through a direct ethernet line). Total cost is just over $600.

In the end, you need to figure out if your cost is limited to $400 or if the extra money you pay for a similar config 360 is worth it to get access to more games right now.

really, if you are a gamer you own both systems.



Excellent... I hate being called a gamer just because I own 3 PS3's and multiple copies of Resistance and Warhhawk; now I can tell the wife that I'm not a gamer because I only support one platform :D

I don't want to give my opinion on this but will try and help with some facts on cost

A 40gb PS3 will run you $399. That comes with the gaming system, BluRay player and built in wireless. No additional add ons are necessary.

To get a similar built 360:

A 20gb 360 will run you $350. That comes with the gaming system. Add another $175 or so for the HD DVD player and about $80 for a wireless adaptor (assuming you want do not want to hook up to Live through a direct ethernet line). Total cost is just over $600.

In the end, you need to figure out if your cost is limited to $400 or if the extra money you pay for a similar config 360 is worth it to get access to more games right now.



Actually, the Xbox 360 wireless adapter is $100 at retail. Plus, everyone who buys a 360 is likely gonna pay up the $50 a year for online gaming.


I think it's debatable whether or not you should include the cost of the HD-DVD add on in this discussion, as it may even end up being a format that dies off in a year or two. Regardless, the 360 ends up being the more expensive machine, with a smaller hard drive and far worse reliability history.

Excellent... I hate being called a gamer just because I own 3 PS3's and multiple copies of Resistance and Warhhawk; now I can tell the wife that I'm not a gamer because I only support one platform :D

If that is true, you are insane.


That is all.