Here's IGN's review: (8.4/10)

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/840/840505p1.html

7.0 Presentation
An otherwise super-stylized game suffers dramatically under technical issues and dreadful load times.

7.5 Graphics
These games look really nice. Too bad the framerate stutters when they’re trying to look their nicest.

9.0 Sound
Superb voice acting. Truly a work of art. The music, while used sparsely, is executed at just the right times and with enough style to put any badass to shame.

8.0 Gameplay
Orange Box is a blast, but beware: the framerate will interfere with your ability to play the game smoothly.

9.0 Lasting Appeal
Get past the technical issues and there’s enough content in this fantastic collection to last you a long, long time.

Despite it having its issues, I'm still getting this this week. Please post your impressions. The weapons delay in TF2 concerns me.

Negatives noted:

- Reload times that are three times longer thatn other versions
- Soldier and Demoman delay in firing projectiles
- TF2 is super laggy online so far (may be fixed)
- Frame rate problems in HL2:Ep.2:

Episode Two suffers a great deal, especially during the episode's larger battles. We regret to say that some sections border on being unplayable because of the stutters, which often cause your aim to be thrown off and timing shots to be very difficult. The problem isn't persistent throughout, but when it hits, it hits hard.

Screw lazy EA for messing up one of the all-time great game releases :mad:.

Shame to hear about the TF2 issues, but we already knew about the HL2 issues. I don't know about you guys, but I don't buy a word IGN says anymore because the trust factor is gone (especially after the whole Assassin's Creed edited review over and over thing). I'm far more inclined to go with the impressions over at Kotaku because those guys "get it." And none of them, outside of maybe Luke Plunkett are fanboys of any kind. If they say the game is fantastic despite its faults, I'll play it. I always get the feeling IGN finds something wrong and then beats it to death like it is the end of the world or the worst thing that could ever happen to a game.

It does stink that EA went ahead and messed up what should have been a slam dunk, but if HL2 is the only part that suffers from some framerate hiccups, I'll be ok. Still on my Christmas list. Until then: Unreal.

I don't want to derail this thread, but I wasn't aware of the AC re-write story... is it discussed in an AC thread? If so I can go there to read about it. I never wanted AC so I didn't really follow the news. (EDIT: Ok, I found the thread and read about the frame-rate comparison debacle).

Overall, of the big sites I think ign can sometimes be lame or not as thorough as they should, but at least I don't suspect them of being paid off like Microspot. GameSpy does a pretty good job as well even if I don't always agree.

I don't want to derail this thread, but I wasn't aware of the AC re-write story... is it discussed in an AC thread? If so I can go there to read about it. I never wanted AC so I didn't really follow the news.

Overall, of the big sites I think ign can sometimes be lame or not as thorough as they should, but at least I don't suspect them of being paid off like Microspot. GameSpy does a pretty good job as well even if I don't always agree.

It was in a thread, but I'll save you the time. Basically, Hillary Goldstein (former XBOX EDITOR at IGN) wrote the PS3 review of Assassin's Creed and BLASTED the framerate. It contradicted several other reviews out there so that part of his review was removed the next day. Then it went back in. I've got AC on my Christmas list because the freezing patch is now out and all that so I can judge the horrific framerates for myself, but it just seems to me that IGN always seems to go overboard on the negative when it comes to the PS3. They blasted Heavenly Sword something fierce, too, and I thought that game was well beyond fantastic. If I didn't have so much other stuff to play right now, I'd be going through that again.

Bottomline is that I strongly feel that IGN is bias. I always thought they were but lately they aren't making any efforts to hide it. The PS3 channel over there was in better hands when Jeremy Dunham was running the show because he was actually a fan of the console. Hillary Goldstein is not and isn't shy about letting people know he isn't (dude has a love blog for his 360). I don't think that's a guy that should be reviewing PS3 games. But that's just my opinion.

8.4 is still a very high score for a game and I will still be playing it. But when it comes to trusting reviews and arbitrary scores, Gametrailers is my destination for that. Kotaku, outside of an editor or two, is also very neutral when it comes to their impressions.

I'm pissed that PS3 owners have to wait so much longer to get this game and then its has framerate problems. arrgghhh.... :(

Framerate issues are a bummer that's for sure, but everything I've read says they aren't through the whole game and that it doesn't destroy the enjoyment of the experience.

It was in a thread, but I'll save you the time. Basically, Hillary Goldstein (former XBOX EDITOR at IGN) wrote the PS3 review of Assassin's Creed and BLASTED the framerate. It contradicted several other reviews out there so that part of his review was removed the next day. Then it went back in. I've got AC on my Christmas list because the freezing patch is now out and all that so I can judge the horrific framerates for myself, but it just seems to me that IGN always seems to go overboard on the negative when it comes to the PS3. They blasted Heavenly Sword something fierce, too, and I thought that game was well beyond fantastic. If I didn't have so much other stuff to play right now, I'd be going through that again.

Bottomline is that I strongly feel that IGN is bias. I always thought they were but lately they aren't making any efforts to hide it. The PS3 channel over there was in better hands when Jeremy Dunham was running the show because he was actually a fan of the console. Hillary Goldstein is not and isn't shy about letting people know he isn't (dude has a love blog for his 360). I don't think that's a guy that should be reviewing PS3 games. But that's just my opinion.

8.4 is still a very high score for a game and I will still be playing it. But when it comes to trusting reviews and arbitrary scores, Gametrailers is my destination for that. Kotaku, outside of an editor or two, is also very neutral when it comes to their impressions.

Dude, I miss that guy, he was actually very informational. Not to mention laid back. However I did meet the IGN staff at GDC 07, and honestly Jess was cool, and Garry. Now I remember Jeremy he was always straight to the point.

What I notice with all the site's in general is that, they are all follow the same sheep effect of slamming the SONY as a trend...

It sucks that EA screwed this up but o well, it's still The Orange Box and if can't get it on the 360 or PC then there's no reason not to pick this version up because it's still absolutely amazing. Besides I'm more inclined to trust Kotaku's extensive write up about it than IGN.

I know a few people with a PS3 and 100% of them like it. They may say, "there's not enough games on it but I do like the system", or "I prefer 360 but the PS3 is a good system", or "I really like my PS3 but the PSN setup is incredibly lame". (actually that last one would be me). In other words they are fairly sensible about the PS3.

But then I go online and its all OMGOMGPS3SUCKSLOLOLWII60FOREVERSTUPIDSONYLIESOMGITSNOT1080PU NCHARTEDISOVERRATEDWTF. I seriously doubt any of these clowns even own the system even if they say they do, but I do think the unendingly negative opinions across the internets is starting to seep into the writing of many people, especially since they interact with the internet community daily. Of course Sony did a lot to foster those bad vibes but the vindictiveness over a company and its game console is embarrassing.

Currently Uncharted is like 27th on the list of the best games of 2007 according to GameRankings. That is just terrible. No way there are 26 better games and I have a feeling if it was on 360 it would be in the top 10.

Of course Sony did a lot to foster those bad vibes but the vindictiveness over a company and its game console is embarrassing..

Nintendo went thru this when the PS1/PS2 came out even though Nintendo made some of the best 1st party games ever on N64/GCN. Most people like to hate whoever is on top. Don't worry though, MS gets hate just because of who they are. It works both ways.

As for the port of HL2. I don't know how hard it is to program on the PS3, but really....It must be difficult for some of the top companies in the world to have issues.

I really can't decide if I want this or not. I've waited this long to play HL2, I guess I can wait a little longer until the price drops or I can get it used. It's just hard for me to justify paying full price for such a budget effort.

As for the port of HL2. I don't know how hard it is to program on the PS3, but really....It must be difficult for some of the top companies in the world to have issues.From everything I've read, it is "harder" to program on the PS3 than the 360, but I think alot of the problems come from the fact that it is a port at all. Ports are inherently difficult, I think, and the fact that the PS3 and 360 hardware is setup wildly different makes it even harder.

From what I can observe as an electrical/software engineer, it isn't easy to port an entire game over to completely different hardware and have it be exactly the same. Especially in the timeframe and pricerange these developers are probably working under. The "right" way to do things is to build it from the ground up for the appropriate system.

Sometimes trying to make the square peg fit in the round hold by cutting it down with the dremel can leave for some gaps ;):p

I'll get this when I get a good computer to play it on.

Nintendo went thru this when the PS1/PS2 came out even though Nintendo made some of the best 1st party games ever on N64/GCN. Most people like to hate whoever is on top. Don't worry though, MS gets hate just because of who they are. It works both ways.

As for the port of HL2. I don't know how hard it is to program on the PS3, but really....It must be difficult for some of the top companies in the world to have issues.

Well, my whole point was that the Xbox 360 has its issues (overpriced propietary accessories, extremely loud, charges for P2P matchmaking, a shockingly bad failure rate) but generally people like it and think its awesome. I do too. But when it comes to the PS3 those same people can't look past the issues and see the system's significant strengths, and that vitriol is tainting coverage of the console.

Ok.

1) You have to always keep in mind who these reviewers are. IGN reviewers as a rule tend to favor *polish* over *substance.* The AC review is a perfect example. If a game looks polished, but plays "okay," they'll generally give it 8.5+. If a game plays great, but is rough around the edges, expect a score of 7 to 8.

2) If you haven't played HL2 and don't own a good PC or 360, play it on PS3 already! Rent it if you feel uncertain about its technical issues. See for yourself.

3) Hell, the game is worth the price just for Portal alone (which plays great on PS3). HL2 and episode 1 both play great, as well. The price is far more than worth it, just for those three together. So parts of episode 2 are sketchy? Sucks, but I can get over it. My experience with TF2 on 360 has also been sketchy, so no difference on PS3. Again, sucks, but there's no other alternative anyhow.

More like Orange Trash.

Valve just lost a customer here with their "F*** PS3 and their fanbase" approach.

2) If you haven't played HL2 and don't own a good PC or 360, play it on PS3 already! Rent it if you feel uncertain about its technical issues. See for yourself.

I agree with this fellow. The Orange Box is not an experience to be missed.

As much as I despise lazy EA's effort, I also recommend at least renting Orange Box if the TF2 server issues are resolved. You might then be interested in buying it. I absolutely love that game on my PC, but if both TF2 and Ep.2 are screwed up then they shouldn't be rewarded with hard-earned gamer funds.

Some of you guys need to relax. :D

Get the game and make the decisions for yourself.

But when it comes to the PS3 those same people can't look past the issues and see the system's significant strengths, and that vitriol is tainting coverage of the console.

Its called fanboism/brand loyalty (we all know this). Its what fuels the head to head comparisons on IGN in the first place. I can totally see why people dislike IGN, they fuel the fanboy war but its what their readers want. Kind of like newspapers with their gore/blood.

But honestly if you were to look at getting HL2 and had both systems. You'd stay away from the PS3 version and get teh 360 one. So their reviews and head2heads do have some merit.

^^^ Or stay away from the X360 version as well with its reported TF2 laggy server woes and get the PC version.

Some of you guys need to relax. :D

Get the game and make the decisions for yourself.

Haven't you already made the decision by getting it?

I'm renting and will probably keep it. I can live with the framerate drops in HL2. What I can't live with is the reported "lag" on TF2. Hope to God its a server side issue (fixable).

Wait the TF2 servers are messed up?

I thought IGN said they were on the WRONG SERVER and had lag from Europe. Big surprise. They even said they were told it would be fixed for retail by using US servers. I'm not worried about that one until I hear otherwise...

^^^ Or stay away from the X360 version as well with its reported TF2 laggy server woes and get the PC version.

Gosh that was patched AGES ago. Of course some folks will always get lag or often get lag, after its dependent on your connection. Having a PC on a crappy connection leads to lag just as fast as a 360.

I blame Valve for being too lazy to port them game themselves it would suck if the game wouldn't get released on PS3 at all.

Gabe Newell says (repeatedly) he hates the PS3. Why reward him by purchasing a game on a platform he cares less about?

Gabe Newell says (repeatedly) he hates the PS3. Why reward him by purchasing a game on a platform he cares less about?

Well if you do not like gaming on a PC or own a 360 Orange Box is reason enough.

Well if you do not like gaming on a PC or own a 360 Orange Box is reason enough.But there is no doubt that if you purchase the game on the PS3 he is earning a royalty. Once again, why support him if he hates the platform? I can understand purchasing the game on the PC or 360 if you have one, but if you have the PS3 and it's a substandard version, and he has already voiced his outright hatred of the platform, why bother? By purchasing it, it shows we're willing to put up with any company willing to do substandard ports of his titles for the PS3.

After all, If he doesn't care, why should we?

1080?

But there is no doubt that if you purchase the game on the PS3 he is earning a royalty. Once again, why support him if he hates the platform? I can understand purchasing the game on the PC or 360 if you have one, but if you have the PS3 and it's a substandard version, and he has already voiced his outright hatred of the platform, why bother? By purchasing it, it shows we're willing to put up with any company willing to do substandard ports of his titles for the PS3.

After all, If he doesn't care, why should we?

That's easy for someone with a 360 to say. Not so easy for a PS3 only owner. Fact: The game looks just as good as the 360. Fact: it has some framerate issues is certain areas of certain games. The jury is still out on TF2 since the f'n game isn't out yet. I'd say its far from substandard. Its more like 360 great, PS3 Good.

I like Orange Box too much to take this imaginary high road and not finance Gabe's twinkie addiction.

Actually, I own a PC as well, and haven't purchased the game yet. What "imaginary high road" is it when someone says they hate a platform and refuse to take the time to develop for it? I think that pretty much says everything. Go ahead and spend your money on the game for the PS3, I'd rather spend my money elsewhere like on UT3 which was specifically developed for the PS3 and the developer took the time to listen to the users to implement features that they wanted like dedicated servers, PC mod support, mouse+keys support, etc, etc.

Here is a 360 vs PS3 comparison video. I do not know how accurate this is as I have the PC version of The Orange Box. To elaborate I have no idea if the 360 version quicksaves at the same point as the PS3 version in the video.

http://gamevideos.com/video/id/16649
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edit: comments from video editor added

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8906121&postcount=74
I should clarify that both versions autosave after a load, but the PS3 version does offer a QuickSave option and, I guess, the PS3 devs decided to have the Quick Save icon appear during the automatic saves as well. From personal experience, I can say, from personal experience, that the frame rate stutters happen after both user Quick Saves, as well as automatic ones.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8906359&postcount=111
...as I've said before, the particular frame rate drop in the video followed an automatic load, not a user Quick Save. For some reason, the Quick Save icon appears after a loading screen.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8906415&postcount=117
I am the editor.

I cut the video, and as I've said in an early post, "The point of this video is not to say that the PS3 version is complete ****, rather that it has more frame rate issues than its 360 cousin. It's true that the frame rate stutters in the 360 version of Half Life 2 as well. It just doesn't happen as severely or nearly as often."

If you watch the whole video the frame rate does compare favorably with the 360 version. However, it's consistently lower by a few frames plus, there are the very odd moments when it drop like in the hover boat sequence.
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Well, maybe those "very odd moments" are few and far between. (?)

but if you have the PS3 and it's a substandard version, and he has already voiced his outright hatred of the platform, why bother?Because it looks like a game you want and enjoy, and you don't have a capable PC or 360?

Saw this comparison video - http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=113930 over on ps3forums. It is pretty unfair because the ps3 version is using quicksave during the framerate slowdown and then the framerate is fine after, but what I wanted to point out is that the ps3 version looks so much better when the framerate holds. Look how much deeper the color is and the lighting, reflection of the water, etc. The overall picture is much better than the 360 IMO - The 360 picture looks washed out in comparison. But I didn't see this mentioned in any of the horrid ps3 reviews?

Saw this comparison video - http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=113930 over on ps3forums. It is pretty unfair because the ps3 version is using quicksave during the framerate slowdown and then the framerate is fine after, but what I wanted to point out is that the ps3 version looks so much better when the framerate holds. Look how much deeper the color is and the lighting, reflection of the water, etc. The overall picture is much better than the 360 IMO - The 360 picture looks washed out in comparison. But I didn't see this mentioned in any of the horrid ps3 reviews?

Because the 360 version doesn't actually look washed out at all. It could just be a difference in the capturing equipment that they used. A lot of the early comparisons between the 360 and PS3 had the PS3 looking washed out in comparison.

I don't know why they used HL2 for the comparison, anyway, when it is well known that the frame rate issues are in Episode 2, not the original HL2. Episode 2 uses a newer version of the engine with better lighting features.

Because the 360 version doesn't actually look washed out at all. It could just be a difference in the capturing equipment that they used. A lot of the early comparisons between the 360 and PS3 had the PS3 looking washed out in comparison.

I don't know why they used HL2 for the comparison, anyway, when it is well known that the frame rate issues are in Episode 2, not the original HL2. Episode 2 uses a newer version of the engine with better lighting features.So I guess their comparison was just bad all around, because the PS3 version looks alot better in that video. Even look at the water reflections. There is no way that the capture device muted the water reflections in the 360 version (compared to the ps3 version).

I can't help but feel that arguing this point makes me seem like a ps3 fanboy, and I don't want to come off that way, I'm just pointing out an observation that I had based on seeing that video. I haven't played the game for either system, so I can't make any determination for certain. I just go by what I read/hear/see. And what I saw, was the ps3 version looking better, even though the critics bashed the hell out of it. Is there any chance that the quicksave is what was causing all the framerate issues the whole time? Did IGN address this at all in their review? I dont' remember seeing it mentioned in the review with something like "There were some points playing the ps3 that had noticeable framerate drops, but those were during the quicksave points. Beyond those, there were also a number of unexplained framerate drops," but I'm sure they would have noticed it / pointed it out. Or maybe the episode 2 doesn't actually SAY "quicksaving" and the points of lost framerate are during those hidden quicksaves? Is that possible? Oh well, either way, I think when the framerate holds the ps3 version looks pretty good, per the video.

Saw this comparison video - http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=113930 over on ps3forums. It is pretty unfair because the ps3 version is using quicksave during the framerate slowdown and then the framerate is fine after...I placed the editor's comments two posts above yours. They address "quicksave" showing on the screen.

Anyway, The Organge Box is great. I would not let this get in the way of my experiencing it if I only owned a PS3. Of course, if ones believes that purchasing this supports bad efforts, then one must do what one must do I suppose.

I placed the editor's comments two posts above yours. They address "quicksave" showing on the screen.

Anyway, The Organge Box is great. I would not let this get in the way of my experiencing it if I only owned a PS3. Of course, if ones believes that purchasing this supports bad efforts, then one must do what one must do I suppose.Doh! Missed that! I really posted just to comment on how much better the color looks on the ps3, but I guess it is possible that the capturing somehow gave this affect.

gamefly shipped OB today! Yes!

Oh yea, gamespot gave the PS3 version a 9/10. :eek: Not sure if that's good or bad.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/halflife2episode2/review.html?page=1&sid=6183951

Because the 360 version doesn't actually look washed out at all. It could just be a difference in the capturing equipment that they used. A lot of the early comparisons between the 360 and PS3 had the PS3 looking washed out in comparison.

This is still the case. The PS3 defaults a more washed out picture than the 360 on ports. Go look up any recent game especially Assassain's Creed. It's not some "early game capture card whatever" problem. The compare videos are captured on the same hardware. It's just how the PS3 produces the image. There's threads on this everywhere. Developers need to take time to account for this change and adjust for it. They don't usually do that though.

HL2 bucks the trend and does indeed look more rich in color and contrast! I was surprised and happy to see that. When you go and look at Portal though, it's back to being more washed out than 360.

Annoying problem I wish more was done to correct. Probably just a matter of time before it's taken more seriously.

gamefly shipped OB today! Yes!

Oh yea, gamespot gave the PS3 version a 9/10. :eek: Not sure if that's good or bad.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/halflife2episode2/review.html?page=1&sid=6183951

Let me know how it is, Cysquatch. This one's on my X-mas list along with Folklore and Assassin's Creed.

This is still the case. The PS3 defaults a more washed out picture than the 360 on ports. Go look up any recent game especially Assassain's Creed. It's not some "early game capture card whatever" problem. The compare videos are captured on the same hardware. It's just how the PS3 produces the image. There's threads on this everywhere. Developers need to take time to account for this change and adjust for it. They don't usually do that though.

HL2 bucks the trend and does indeed look more rich in color and contrast! I was surprised and happy to see that. When you go and look at Portal though, it's back to being more washed out than 360.

Annoying problem I wish more was done to correct. Probably just a matter of time before it's taken more seriously.Did you watch the video in question? There is no doubt that the ps3 version looks significantly better than the 360 version visually. The 360 version looks washed out in comparison.

I'm NOT trying to make the argument that if you popped both discs into their respective machines and touched nothing, that the ps3 would look better, I'm simply pointing out that, in that particular video, the ps3 looks much better. I don't know why... maybe they changed some settings, or captured the video a little different, but it looks to be opposite of what everyone says.

Did you watch the video in question? There is no doubt that the ps3 version looks significantly better than the 360 version visually. The 360 version looks washed out in comparison.



As mentioned a few posts up the 360 version (Also see videos on gametrailers etc) does not look washed out like that video, its an issue with that specific video.

As mentioned a few posts up the 360 version (Also see videos on gametrailers etc) does not look washed out like that video, its an issue with that specific video.Does the 360 version "in real life" look like the ps3 version does in the video?

Let me know how it is, Cysquatch. This one's on my X-mas list along with Folklore and Assassin's Creed.

Well since Fedex now moves the majority of the US Postal priority mail, I'm hoping to get it by Friday (Saturday at the latest).

Does the 360 version "in real life" look like the ps3 version does in the video?


IMHO I do not see a difference between them. Its Half Life 2, it looks sorta inbetween last gen and this on both. NOBODY went out of their way (Valve or EA) to update HL2 or Ep 1and 2.

Anyone get their hands on this yet? Impressions?

Someone at ps3forums posted a youtube video of his PS3 version running vs. gamevideos' video. . Judge for yourself. It looks fine to me. I'm thinking this was the older build 1up was looking at.

*crossing fingers* it arrives today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Ox6pxklIY

Here's another video of TF2 running on the PS3. Pacing is a bit slower compared to the PC but I'm sold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqhN1u1miR0

Orange Box and UT3 came today via gamefly. And here I am at work. :mad: I'll post my OB impressions tonight (or earlier if my son plays it).

its EP2 that seems to be most problematic, just so you know.

post some impressions when you get the chance.

Eurogamer has their review up along with 3-way comparison shots. the PS3 version has Anti-aliasing whereas the 360 version does not. unfortunately, though, EA decided to add some kind of blur filter to the PS3 version so it looks slightly blurrier. i think if EA just did exactly what Valve did with the 360 version (no AA and remove the blur filter) it would most likely look and play the same.
textures look best on PC, but one advantage the console versions have (with the original HL2 anyway) is that both EA and Valve seemed to have implemented HDR lighting in HL2.

Someone at ps3forums posted a youtube video of his PS3 version running vs. gamevideos' video. . Judge for yourself. It looks fine to me. I'm thinking this was the older build 1up was looking at.

*crossing fingers* it arrives today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Ox6pxklIY

Here's another video of TF2 running on the PS3. Pacing is a bit slower compared to the PC but I'm sold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqhN1u1miR0

Wow, big difference. I actually am now thinking of picking it up after that youtube video.

Did you watch the video in question? There is no doubt that the ps3 version looks significantly better than the 360 version visually. The 360 version looks washed out in comparison.

I'm NOT trying to make the argument that if you popped both discs into their respective machines and touched nothing, that the ps3 would look better, I'm simply pointing out that, in that particular video, the ps3 looks much better. I don't know why... maybe they changed some settings, or captured the video a little different, but it looks to be opposite of what everyone says.

You should really try to read the posts you quote. Read it again and tell me if you feel silly.

Wow, big difference. I actually am now thinking of picking it up after that youtube video.

Played HL2 and TF2 today. It runs just fine. I was getting a little lag on TF2 but I attribute that to being on a euro server. I switched to a west coast server and it ran great. Haven't ran into any lag on HL2 yet but i'm only an hour in. I have OB on PC and have no regrets getting the PS3 version.

^How are ep1 & 2? IGN said there was gun lag in TF2? So overall...

Ep1 and 2 run just fine. I beat both of em. Team fortress runs flawlessly , portal likewise.

You should really try to read the posts you quote. Read it again and tell me if you feel silly.Doh! I do feel silly. Sorry.

I had to read it twice again, it was such a negative post and then had the one good thing that makes me feel silly sprinkled in :p

I'll probably get it now, but it is weird how IGN and other sites said that there are all these problems, but you guys say it runs great. I'm not trying to be negative toward you guys, as you are smarter than them, but I just want to know the real story.

If you have never played the 360 or PC version, perhaps you wouldn't know there was any issue at all. Performance is all relative.

Performance is all relative.

Good way to put it, thanks.

Ep1 and 2 run just fine. I beat both of em. Team fortress runs flawlessly , portal likewise.Did you notice the slowdowns they talk about in Ep2 and/or Ep1, but they just weren't that bad? Or did you not even notice them whatsoever?

Do headsets work in TF2?

Did you notice the slowdowns they talk about in Ep2 and/or Ep1, but they just weren't that bad? Or did you not even notice them whatsoever?

During the water hazard (HL2) level where you make your way into a building to open water gate, I got some crazy framerate slowdown. It was in the garage area where some combine are shooting at you (two trucks in there). That's the only framerate problems i've seen so far.

During the water hazard (HL2) level where you make your way into a building to open water gate, I got some crazy framerate slowdown. It was in the garage area where some combine are shooting at you (two trucks in there). That's the only framerate problems i've seen so far.Was it kind of a "this isn't as bad as I heard" type thing, or a "this is so bad that if it continues to happen I might return the game" type thing?

Was it kind of a "this isn't as bad as I heard" type thing, or a "this is so bad that if it continues to happen I might return the game" type thing?

Really bad. But the good news is that I've yet to have the issue come up again. That was the only time so far. I just finished up the Ravenholm level so there's a ways to go. Haven't even peaked at EP1 or 2 yet. TF2 runs excellent (connection dependent of course).

I rented it from gamefly and will be paying the $43 keep it price. :D

Do headsets work in TF2?


Yes

Wow!!! Portal is a blast!!!!

My kids love watching me play this one since they are young and have problems with some of the puzzles.

They are enthralled with the whole companion cube thing.

Funny thing...we were at the inlaws on Fri evening. Grandma says, "Who wants some cake!?" My nine year old replies, "The cake is a lie."

The three boys and I start busting up and everyone else is looking at us like we are crazy.

BTW, stuck on test 18 in Chapter one..:o

During the water hazard (HL2) level where you make your way into a building to open water gate, I got some crazy framerate slowdown. It was in the garage area where some combine are shooting at you (two trucks in there). That's the only framerate problems i've seen so far.

Yea same here. I havent had any framerate issues anywhere else. Definitely not gamebreaking ones. My biggest gripe is the long load times since you so frequently die in the game.

I think its definitely worth a rental for portal alone. And if you like episode 1&2 buy it (I dont like the episodes, too much indoors and tunnels)

All I have to say is WOW. I just finally got this this weekend (it went on sale at BB and I persuaded the wife to get my birthday present a couple weeks early) and I am blown away. Having never played Half Life before I didn't know what to expect. I was sucked into the world right away. So creepy that I immediately shut off all the lights to heighten the experience!!

Haven't had any framerate issues to speak of yet. Hard to get used to going back to seeing Loading screens that often but I think that just shows the date of the game itself. Don't really see how there would be a way around it.

It's nice to finally know what all the hype is about. I played for about 3 hours and then tried a few levels of Portal for good measure. What a truly great game. Had I not had to get up for work this morning I probably would have played all night long. Really fantastic stuff. Well worth the price of admission already. Can't wait to try TF2!!!

Just a head's up, if you're interested in this game. Best Buy has it $10 off retail this week for $49.99

I had one area with bad framerate in HL2. So far only a brief stutter in EP1 (but it was during an auto-quicksave). Portal was flawless, and has the best end credit song in the history of videogames!

reviews said it was EP2 in particular that had the framerate problems, which is the best game, visually.

I'm trying to get into this one. I've never played half life before, and after an hour on Half Life 2, I just can't get into it. But, I plan to keep playing it. Portal is awesome. That's what most of my time has gone to. I haven't tried Team Fortress, and I'm not to much into the online gaming with random people.

I own all three major consoles.

Vavle doesn't care about consoles. Despite the very real fanboy reviews IGN posts for 360 games, the Orange Box on the 360 has problems. First and foremost, Team Fortress on the 360 lags horribly. I can't understate this. We're talking the screen freezes for 10 seconds, then lets go for 4, then freezes for 10. That's with 8 people on the server. The review on the 360 mentions it (at least it did when it first came out) and assumes it would be fixed. It never was.

The PS3 version is going to lag the 360 and PC version, that's just a fact. Valve, by it's own admission, considers the initial products it releases to be of beta quality. It uses a heavy upgrade cycle, with the gamers testing it in real time. The engine is going to be whatever the latest engine of Source (that's the name of their engine) is. This is so they maintain a united code base across all of their games at all times. Lowers development costs. The 360 version is part of this united code base, due to what ever similarities in the API the 360 has with Windows. The PS3 version was ported by another company and is part of a separate code base. I doubt it's ever going to be updated. If it is updated, it will be like the update to the 360 for Team Fortress and will do nothing to alleviate the problem.

Anyone have issues connecting to Team Fortress 2? Tried it for the first time tonight and all it does is sit at the "Connecting to EA Servers" screen and nothing happens.

Anyone have issues connecting to Team Fortress 2? Tried it for the first time tonight and all it does is sit at the "Connecting to EA Servers" screen and nothing happens.


Heh, wow, now I'm definitely glad I didn't buy TF2 for the PS3. That crap uses EA Nation. EA runs the most lag infested piece of crap network for online gaming that has ever existed.

Playing through The Orange Box now and just wanted to report what I've seen so far. Didn't see any signs of lag until Anticitizen One. Interestingly enough during the indoor scenes. Motion was jerky and framerates dropped so it was almost unplayable. If I were not interested in the storyline I would have stopped and returned the game at that point. Also had the game freeze on me during that chapter. Had to reset the PS3 manually. Have not played any online yet but will report back when I do.

on sale at target this week for $39.99.

i plan to start HL2 this weekend or at least portal.

i was just given this for my birthday last weekend. I love it. Portal is a blast way too much fun. Just started HL2 from the beginning in the sewers on the way to the Lab. (i completed it on the pc years ago) Really enjoying it. have not seen any of the problems i have seen reported. But then again i am only at the very beginning so far so i will have to see.

Playing through The Orange Box now and just wanted to report what I've seen so far. Didn't see any signs of lag until Anticitizen One. Interestingly enough during the indoor scenes. Motion was jerky and framerates dropped so it was almost unplayable. If I were not interested in the storyline I would have stopped and returned the game at that point. Also had the game freeze on me during that chapter. Had to reset the PS3 manually. Have not played any online yet but will report back when I do.

I didn't experience that at all. I had some jerkiness at the toward the very end of HL2, but that's all that really bothered me. Nothing made it unplayable. I haven't started Ep. 1 or 2 yet.

As an update, I was able to connect to TF2 using an alternate account. Clearly a server issue on EA's part. Once I was in, it was lag-free contrary to some other statements here about EA's service.

While I have this on the PC, the titles of course are the same in each.

I just finished Ep. I and am halfway through Ep. II. Ep. I was 'ok'... nothing exceptional (particularly the unimaginative environments and fights), but Ep. II so far is an awesome FPS experience. Valve has done a great job with what may be the best entry in the series so far, and even before finishing it I am now excited for Ep. III.

Portal was 2007's puzzle game of the year IMHO (and had the 'boss' of the year as well), while TF2 is my pick for overall best game of 2007. The Orange Box is one of the all time classic releases of any era IMHO that no gamer should miss.

Update: Finished the final level of Half Life 2 last night. Only noticed minor framerate issues at the very end before the final cutscene and credits. Started up Episode 1 and so far so good :)

http://ps3.qj.net/PS3-s-The-Orange-Box-to-get-new-patch-this-March/pg/49/aid/114810

At the start of the year, we reported to you that Valve put up a page dedicated to hearing out complaints from fans pointing at issues observed in the Sony PlayStation 3 version of The Orange Box. It seems that the campaign has paid off and a patch to address troubles in the collection of games has been created.

The patch team didn't point to any specific issues that the update shoots down, but says there's a myriad of them. An exact release date was also kept under wraps. The only assurance given was that it would come within March after it's been tested.

Yet another confirmation (http://www.psnathome.com/news.php?item.748.3)that your patch is near:

Our engineers have finally provided details regarding the issue you are experiencing. Currently, this is a known issue and our engineering team are creating a patch which should resolve the issue. Unfortunately, the patch has yet to be tested and will be released sometime in March. Other issues will be addressed but unfortunately we do not have a list at this time.

that's great news, can't wait for the update :) I just purchased the Orange Box and can't wait to play it. I never played Half Life before so this will be my first time.

sweet. ill definitely pick this up if they fixed the bugs and performance issues.

Nice! Well I am glad i got the game for 50 x 5 games = GREATEST DEAL IN HISTORY! LOL

I believe the "patch" they are talking about in those articles is the fix for online issues in TF2 where people with more than 30 friends on their PSN list couldn't connect. Nothing more.

As for "performance issues", Rahzel, don't deny yourself the game. I felt the same way. Got the game for a birthday present and have noticed absolutely nothing "wrong" with it. I've beat Portal, HL2 and am playing TF2 (albeit under an alternate account for the time being). You're doing yourself a disservice by listening to the overblown performance issue reviews from the gaming media.

^^^What part of:
Other issues will be addressed but unfortunately we do not have a list at this time.
...is hard to understand? They have solicited and received a lot of suggestions of stuff to fix. As a result they are fixing multiple issues as confirmed by this comment.

It won't fix everything of course, but even with that said Valve is good about constantly issuing additional patches over time.

i have to agree with joeblow here... its hard to believe they would only address one of the issues with the game.

btw, i have already played EP1 and HL2 on PC... if they weren't going to release a patch, i was just going to purchase EP2 on PC. so now buying OB for PS3 is back into the picture. :)

^^^What part of:

...is hard to understand? They have solicited and received a lot of suggestions of stuff to fix. As a result they are fixing multiple issues as confirmed by this comment.

It won't fix everything of course, but even with that said Valve is good about constantly issuing additional patches over time.

No need to get your panties in a twist, joe. Spend 5 minutes browsing the official forums over at Steam for the PS3/360 versions of The Orange Box and you'll understand where my cynicism comes in. The repeated answer to any questions regarding The Orange Box is "We have no idea what EA's plans for The Orange Box are."

And this little bit that you say is "confirmation that our patch is near":

Our engineers have finally provided details regarding the issue you are experiencing. Currently, this is a known issue and our engineering team are creating a patch which should resolve the issue. Unfortunately, the patch has yet to be tested and will be released sometime in March. Other issues will be addressed but unfortunately we do not have a list at this time.

That little bit is straight from EA in regards to the connectivity issue. It came in response to my support ticket and several others. Check the GameFAQs Orange Box thread to get caught up to speed on that one.

Valve may be good on constantly releasing patches for their PC games, but they've been very straight-forward with their "we don't care" attitude toward the PS3 version of The Orange Box. And when it comes straight from Gabe Newell's mouth, it's hard to believe that the company really thinks otherwise. The thread they posted on their forums asking for feedback was posted and never responded to by a Valve employee again.

Of course, if my cynicism is all for naught, I'll be more than happy to download the patch when it arrives. I'm just not holding my breath based on past experiences and the communication line with Valve/EA regarding The Orange Box.

Wrong.

Gabe has been straight forward with his criticisms of the PS3 true, but Valve as a company handles their business. To further show that your reliance on his quotes is overblown, Valve just said the other day that they are looking into putting their next release Left 4 Dead on the PS3 (http://www.csnation.net/viewnews.php/9266) eventually. In the end, it's about business.

For OB, they have been actively looking for feedback from users of all versions. I repeat what I said above what's been known for many years... Valve often patches their games and never ignores their games. Updates keep coming years after a release. Go to perhaps their most popular Steam forum, the TF2 PC section. They rarely post there as well but there are patches every two weeks.

The point is jumping to conclusions accomplishes nothing, especially for a company with a history of constantly polishing their titles as Valve. EA screwed up, Valve has asked the public for help, and now we hear that "other issues will be addressed" besides the single issue that was brought up (even if not all at the same time). They also say this:
The patch team didn't point to any specific issues that the update shoots down, but says there's a myriad of them.

It ain't that complicated.

Wrong.

Gabe has been straight forward with his criticisms of the PS3 true, but Valve as a company handles their business. To further show that your reliance on his quotes is overblown, Valve just said the other day that they are looking into putting their next release Left 4 Dead on the PS3 (http://www.csnation.net/viewnews.php/9266) eventually. In the end, it's about business.

For OB, they have been actively looking for feedback from users of all versions. I repeat what I said above what's been known for many years... Valve often patches their games and never ignores their games. Updates keep coming years after a release. Go to perhaps their most popular Steam forum, the TF2 PC section. They rarely post there as well but there are patches every two weeks.

The point is jumping to conclusions accomplishes nothing, especially for a company with a history of constantly polishing their titles as Valve. EA screwed up, Valve has asked the public for help, and now we hear that "other issues will be addressed" besides the single issue that was brought up (even if not all at the same time). They also say this:


It ain't that complicated.


You know what, joe, speak down to me as much as you like if it makes you feel like a bigger man. I don't really care. If being a big man on a messageboard is what you need to get through your day, knock yourself out. I'm merely stating what has been said over at Valve's official forum on Steam. I can quote it again for you if you like:

"We have no idea what EA's plans for The Orange Box are."

Heck, let me do it one more time for you:

"We have no idea what EA's plans for The Orange Box are."

Now let me quote you:

"It ain't that complicated."

Now let me quote myself:

"Of course, if my cynicism is all for naught, I'll be more than happy to download the patch when it arrives. I'm just not holding my breath based on past experiences and the communication line with Valve/EA regarding The Orange Box."

Look, if the pattern that we've experienced on the PS3 when it comes to The Orange Box changes, I'm all for it. But the thread on Steam about the patch feedback has been up forever with no reply (unless there has been one lately...I gave up checking about a week ago).

As for you talking down to me, it's really not necessary. It accomplishes nothing and only makes you look like an ass. Maybe I need to start using the Ignore function that AVS has been so kind to provide us with around here.

I will buy this the day they release the update if they fix all the main problems it has.

You know what, joe, speak down to me as much as you like if it makes you feel like a bigger man. I don't really care. If being a big man on a messageboard is what you need to get through your day, knock yourself out. I'm merely stating what has been said over at Valve's official forum on Steam. I can quote it again for you if you like:



Heck, let me do it one more time for you:



Now let me quote you:



Now let me quote myself:



Look, if the pattern that we've experienced on the PS3 when it comes to The Orange Box changes, I'm all for it. But the thread on Steam about the patch feedback has been up forever with no reply (unless there has been one lately...I gave up checking about a week ago).

As for you talking down to me, it's really not necessary. It accomplishes nothing and only makes you look like an ass. Maybe I need to start using the Ignore function that AVS has been so kind to provide us with around here.

Lol, you insult my panties and I'm talking down to you? :p

I stand behind the points I've made; there's nothing more to be said. A patch is coming this month so let's all hope for the best from it.

I will buy this the day they release the update if they fix all the main problems it has.

What problems do you perceive that it has, out of curiosity? I've played through all of HL2, Portal and TF2 and have experienced only a connectivity issue with TF2 on my main PSN ID. I'm really not sure what they expect the udpate to fix beyond the connectivity issue. The only real bothers for me (so far, not having played episode 1 or 2) are the somewhat long load times. I experience some SLIGHT framerate slowdown toward the end of HL2 but nothing that made the game anywhere close to unplayable. In my opinion, if you really want to play The Orange Box, there's really no need to wait.

I will buy this the day they release the update if they fix all the main problems it has.

I will buy this turd of a game, the day Gabe Newell personally hand delivers it to my door and gets on his hands and knees...:cool:

That's all.

Lol, you insult my panties and I'm talking down to you? :p

I stand behind the points I've made; there's nothing more to be said. A patch is coming this month so let's all hope for the best from it.

Fair enough...LOL! I just didn't think the "WRONG" and "It's not that complicated" and "What don't you understand" parts were pretty unnecessary. The same can be said about my "panties" comment.

Like I said several times before, I hope Valve really has picked up the reins from EA on patching whatever they feel needs fixing on the PS3 side of things. I've enjoyed my experience with TOB so far none-the-less, so it's a moot point for me. New TF2 maps would be cool, though.

You stand behind your points. I'll stand behind mine because I've spent far too much time visiting Valve's board in hopes of some communication from them and have received none. I guess we can revisit this thread when whatever patch arrives.

I will buy this turd of a game, the day Gabe Newell personally hand delivers it to my door and gets on his hands and knees...:cool:

That's all.

Quite the gift for hyperbole you have there.

Can we get someone who's actually played the game through and has legit gripes with it to weigh in? I've still yet to see anyone who has actually played it to be at all vitrolic like the rest of everyone who slavishly follows IGN's word with bated breath.

The game is great, the biggest bs is No DD 5.1 and Slow loading.

The game is great, the biggest bs is No DD 5.1 and Slow loading.
there is DD 5.1, but only over HDMI. i'm sure they will at least fix the DD over optical issue.

Anybody who expects Valve or EA to bring the PS3 version up to par with the PC version is going to wait a looooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

Never to be exact.

its a pretty dated game... they should have been able to port it to the consoles no problem. it doesn't have to match the PC version in terms of framerate and resolution etc.; all it needs is a constant 30fps (even 60fps should have been possible) @ 720p with all the visual details intact (texture quality, anisotropic filtering, anti-aliasing etc.). again, this shouldn't have been much of a problem and i think Valve should have put more effort into the ports, because consoles are where you make the big bucks these days. to make things worse, they handed the PS3 version to EA and they did a poor job and the sales reflect on the quality of the port. this patch may be too little too late. but again, i will definitely buy it if they fixed the major issues.

So, Rahzel, you've played the entire Orange Box on PS3 then?

I think I commented earlier, I played all the way through. There is not a single part of the Orange Box I haven't played, including all of the advanced levels of Portal as well as commentaries. I have never had a frame rate issue during a fight. There were a couple of frame rate issues at odds times while wandering around. Really nothing to get into a tizzy about.

My biggest complaint is the load times, which actually were pretty bad. The other stuff is very much overblown (although I use HDMI so wouldn't understand any frustrations of those with other connections).

Not sure how long the PS3 load times are, but even on a high-end PC with it fully installed on the hard drive there is a 5-10 second load between sections for HL2 and its sequels.

BTW I've finally finished Ep. II so that wraps up all of the content for me. Although it's the PC version (so I won't make technical observations) I can comment on the gaming experience itself to say that it was better than HL2 and Ep. I for several reasons IMHO.

The story and action were all top notch from beginning to end, and some of the fights feel epic in scope. Also, it's been awhile since a game has kinda creeped me out like Ep. II did in one area... great stuff that has me ready for Ep. III.

Orange Box = AAA gaming experience

I had no idea that DD was available via HDMI. Since optical out is currently my only option, I agree that it would be a good thing to have patched!

I only had two instances of framerate slowdown (that I noticed) and both occurred in non-combat situations.

The optical patch alone is the main reason I'm waiting. There's no excuse for that.

Does it have lossless sound over HDMI by any chance?

Can we get someone who's actually played the game through and has legit gripes with it to weigh in? I've still yet to see anyone who has actually played it to be at all vitrolic like the rest of everyone who slavishly follows IGN's word with bated breath.

Played through Half Life 2 and just finished Episode 1 last night. I commented a few pages back. Began Episode 2 and it didn't look good so far. The walk from the train to the mine entrance was pretty bad. Even my girlfriend stopped to ask "What's wrong with that game or is it like Matrix time?" For the most part it's good, but when I do begin experiencing framerate issues, it's a doozy.

Are you sure you don't have a scratch on your disc or something?

Seriously I don't remember having any issues with FR in Ep. 2 except toward the very end in a couple spots.

Are you sure you don't have a scratch on your disc or something?

Seriously I don't remember having any issues with FR in Ep. 2 except toward the very end in a couple spots.

No, I got a brand new copy and it doesn't appear to have any scratches. I am running it on a 60GB PS3. Haven't had issues with any other games besides this one. Really hoping the patch helps a bit because I really enjoy the story.

They should be able to run this game at 1080p at 60fps no problem on the PS3 and probably the 360. It's amazing how half assed of a job this was. My old 9700 pro ran this game just fine back in the day.

So, Rahzel, you've played the entire Orange Box on PS3 then?
i've played all but EP2, TF2 and Portal, and i know EP2 is the most graphically demanding of all the games. judging by screenshots and videos, yeah it looks noticeably better than the previous two, but its still the same old HL2 with slightly better visuals and HDR lighting. while its not an ugly game by any means, its still not up to par with the games were seeing today and a constant 30fps shouldn't have been a problem. 60fps should have been possible with better optimization, too.

I didn't realize that team fortress was online only. That kinda sucks I thought I could at least play two player deathmatch. I don't have highspeed internet. And no dd 5.1 over optical is ridiculous, even my copy for the original xbox has 5.1. What sucks is if they do patch the 5.1 I can't get it because I can't download with no highspeed connection.

http://kotaku.com/363586/valve-wants-team-fortress-2-maps-free-on-consoles

Cool that at least they seem to mention the PS3 version with some sort of decent acknowledgement now. Maybe Valve has seen how well it was received and will now give a rat's ass about the platform. Free maps are always a plus.

I didn't realize that team fortress was online only. That kinda sucks I thought I could at least play two player deathmatch. I don't have highspeed internet. And no dd 5.1 over optical is ridiculous, even my copy for the original xbox has 5.1. What sucks is if they do patch the 5.1 I can't get it because I can't download with no highspeed connection.

A lot of times you can find stuff like that packaged in on CDs with video game magazines.

http://kotaku.com/363586/valve-wants-team-fortress-2-maps-free-on-consoles

Cool that at least they seem to mention the PS3 version with some sort of decent acknowledgement now. Maybe Valve has seen how well it was received and will now give a rat's ass about the platform. Free maps are always a plus.

Yeah, that sounds like good news all around. Hopefully Microsoft lets them put the maps up for free on the X360 as well.

Valve is really good about trying to take care of the stuff they put out. Just two days ago I got a e-mail from one of their designers I wrote to earlier. I came up with a play mechanic idea that I thought would improve my current favorite game Team Fortress 2. He read it, thought it was great, and is talking to the programmers about possibly implementing it in a future update. Their company is cool like that.

Hopefully EA allows the maps to be free. Then again, has anyone ever seen free EA DLC?

Just two days ago I got a e-mail from one of their designers I wrote to earlier. I came up with a play mechanic idea that I thought would improve my current favorite game Team Fortress 2. He read it, thought it was great, and is talking to the programmers about possibly implementing it in a future update. Their company is cool like that.

Now THAT'S cool. Sony has been good about supporting open content on their network (one only need look as far as UTIII for that). I'm sure they'll have no issue with Valve throwing some stuff up there at no charge. And as hands-off as EA has seemed to be, I don't think their in a position to protest some free DLC at Valve's request.

Update: Beat Episode Two last night. Amazing! Didn't have many framerate issues until the final scene in the hangar. Can't wait for Episode Three :D

Hey guys...I have been playing OB lately, and I started with Halflife 2 (as opposed to epi. 1 or epi. 2). I am playing this in the correct (chronological) order?

Hey guys...I have been playing OB lately, and I started with Halflife 2 (as opposed to epi. 1 or epi. 2). I am playing this in the correct (chronological) order?


Yes, HL2, EP1 then EP2, then you can join the rest of us waiting too long for EP3 to ship.

I'm really waiting for this patch to be revealed before buying this game. I just hope they don't bail out on the patch now.

Seems the patch is out, just no changelogs are available. I'm at work right now but if anyone has a chance to try it out, please give your reviews.

Oh great news! Cant wait to try it out when I do get home tonight...

early reports on the steam boards suggest that they still haven't added 5.1 support over optical. =/
i might still pick this up if they addressed the major issues. or i might wait until EP3 and hope they have a package deal similar to OB but with all the games up to date.

still no 5.1?
damn... I wonder is it only optical or HDMI too?

still no 5.1?
damn... I wonder is it only optical or HDMI too?
the problem was that you could only get 5.1 sound through HDMI, but most people don't have receivers with HDMI.

Oh ****... I thought it was affecting both ends including the optical port.

i downloaded it but i am seeing some strange lag issues since the patch, people jumping agound without passing through the space between points verry oddd

I d/l it and played TF2. The game played fine for me, as it has.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/861/861122p1.html

I just picked up The Orange Box at Target for $30 on clearance on Saturday. I've only played Portal through once, but it was fun enough to merit the purchase price all by itself.

If you have a Target near you, and still don't have this, you owe it to yourself to check it out to see if you can grab it for cheap.

I look forward to playing Half Life 2 next, but since my steering wheel should be waiting when I get home, I'm not sure when I'll get pulled away from GT5:P.

At least I can truly grasp "Still Alive" for Rock Band, now. :D

I just got it for $30 as well. Played through some of the first mission in HL2, still no weapon. How long before I can start shooting these storm trooper wannabe's in the face?

At least I can truly grasp "Still Alive" for Rock Band, now. :D

:D:D:D

none of the Targets in my state have El Caja Anaranjada AT ALL!! this sucks...i was really wanting to find it at that clearance price.

none of the Targets in my state have El Caja Anaranjada AT ALL!! this sucks...i was really wanting to find it at that clearance price.

Sorry to hear that. The Target closest to me has it for $41.88, but that was still too much for an impulse buy since I knew others were finding it for $29.88.

I was up visiting my Dad and went to the Target out there and found the last copy for $30 and grabbed it. If you feel like annoying your family in other areas, ask them to check the next time they are in Target if they don't live near you.

if any of you are up for trying out team fortress 2, i've been wanting to give it a go, but have forfeited any interest in going into it alone with random strangers for fear of having to listen to middle schoolers cuss each other out or race hate for an entire game(i've been spoiled playing with stricly avs'rs on resistance, warhawk and burnout).

there's an AVS warhawk night and burnout night, so why not a TF2 night?

i would be ok with any night except monday or wednesday.

I just got it for $30 as well. Played through some of the first mission in HL2, still no weapon. How long before I can start shooting these storm trooper wannabe's in the face?

Not long.

i also picked up the Obox last week at target for 30, im playing through portal because thats the game that has the biggest hype, Im playing it for maybe an hour and 15 mins, and im just not getting into it. Im still in the test chambers. I mean its fun solving the puzzles, but is this all there is in the game? if so, then i wont bother putting any more time in it.

i also picked up the Obox last week at target for 30, im playing through portal because thats the game that has the biggest hype, Im playing it for maybe an hour and 15 mins, and im just not getting into it. Im still in the test chambers. I mean its fun solving the puzzles, but is this all there is in the game? if so, then i wont bother putting any more time in it.

Wondering the same thing. It just hasn't grabbed me yet. I'm playing through Episode II and it is good but I'm not enjoying it as much as I did Half Life 2 a few years back. Maybe its me but the puzzles and the design just don't seem as good as I remember from HL2. Still having some fun with it but I guess I had higher expectations.

i also picked up the Obox last week at target for 30, im playing through portal because thats the game that has the biggest hype, Im playing it for maybe an hour and 15 mins, and im just not getting into it. Im still in the test chambers. I mean its fun solving the puzzles, but is this all there is in the game? if so, then i wont bother putting any more time in it.

it's 19 test chambers.

and the reason it's called a "puzzle" game is because that's what it is. but i would say stick with it. it's not very long and as you get further the dialogue from "GLaDOS" gets very entertaining. plus, the beginning is a bit boring until you get the orange portal zapper as well. that's when it gets fun!

The 18/19 test chambers are basically training for the last one. I recommend sticking with it, I loved it.

it's 19 test chambers.

and the reason it's called a "puzzle" game is because that's what it is. but i would say stick with it. it's not very long and as you get further the dialogue from "GLaDOS" gets very entertaining. plus, the beginning is a bit boring until you get the orange portal zapper as well. that's when it gets fun!


Yeah, I made the mistake of thinking the last couple of tests would be as short as the first 15, or so. Boy, was I wrong.

Then, again, I was hooked by test 5, or 6.

And, GlaDos was consistently cracking me up throughout the last half of the game.

Yeah, I made the mistake of thinking the last couple of tests would be as short as the first 15, or so. Boy, was I wrong.

same here... especially 18. i thought i was at the end of it three times before i actually was! the platforms were killer!

i also picked up the Obox last week at target for 30, im playing through portal because thats the game that has the biggest hype, Im playing it for maybe an hour and 15 mins, and im just not getting into it. Im still in the test chambers. I mean its fun solving the puzzles, but is this all there is in the game? if so, then i wont bother putting any more time in it.Don't expect to ever get out of the "test chambers." That's the game. It's a "puzzle" game, and a damn fine one. But if puzzles aren't your thing, then you won't like it.

And if you haven't gotten into it by the sixth stage or so, you probably won't ever get into it.

I wouldn't recommend playing Portal until after you finish Episode II. You'll understand why then.

I wouldn't recommend playing Portal until after you finish Episode II. You'll understand why then.

I disagree- I played Portal first and got positively GIDDY at what you refer to in Episode 2. I think it works either way :)

I disagree- I played Portal first and got positively GIDDY at what you refer to in Episode 2. I think it works either way :)

Hmm... yeah in retrospect that does go better:)

I disagree- I played Portal first and got positively GIDDY at what you refer to in Episode 2. I think it works either way :)

Heh. I guess I need to get through Half Life 2, Ep 1 and Ep 2 before GTAIV comes out.

Between Rock Band, GT5:P and this disc, I have a lot to do by next week. Who said the PS3 didn't have any games?

Half Life 2 is pretty dense. Ep 1 and 2 are both relatively short, maybe 3-4 hours each if you're in a hurry.

I'm trying to decide between the XBOX360 and PS3 version of this game. Can anyone chime in on this?

I'm finding that there apparently is NOT DLC for the PS3 version. Have the framerate issues been fixed?

"I'm trying to decide between the XBOX360 and PS3 version of this game."

The correct answer is the PC version. :) Otherwise, the 360 one is the one to go for for everything that is not TF2, as that game is pretty dead on Live at this point.

PC is the way to go for this title but some of us just prefer consoles. TF2 is great and enough people are still playing the PS3 version that I can pretty much always log on a and find a good game. Portal is great (and works fine on PS3) I have not had any half life issues either (but I have not finished episode II)

I really don't have any major problems with the PS3 version of Orange Box. There were only two rooms in the whole thing where the slow-down reached "ridiculous" levels, and the load times do not bother me that much; I'm not so impatient that I can't wait a tick while the next area loads. Then again, I haven't played the 360 or PC versions, so I'm not actually aware of how much a difference there is.

Anyway, it didn't stop it from being one of my most satisfying PS3 purchases.

"Anyway, it didn't stop it from being one of my most satisfying PS3 purchases."

Portal alone was worth $60. Everything else was bonus cake.

Well, I'd say Episode 2 and Portal were worth $60 and everything else was bonus. But I could probably spend $40 on Portal and still be satisfied.

Portal was great. It was a short game (at least for me it was!) but I thought it was pretty challenging. For some people the game will be quick, for others it could take months.

People are right about the PC version being the one to get. It's the only game in town for true 1080p+ rendering, hehe.

I tried Half Life 2, but couldn't really get into it. I love Portal, and Team Fortress has been my primary game of choice for a month now. You can always find a good game to join.

Anyway, it didn't stop it from being one of my most satisfying PS3 purchases.


I got the Orange Box for $30 from Target and played Portal through in one day taking a break for lunch (yes, I had cake). I have only started Half Life 2, but it went to the sidelines when GTA4 came out, and now with MGS4, it still hasn't been touched, again. Yet.

But, honestly, I got my $30 out of Portal in that one afternoon. And, that's no lie. :D

portal was such an amazing game... and it was hilarious as well.

i want to go through the HL games too, but just can't seem to force myself to do it.

Best part about Half Life was the Day of Defeat Mod.

PC is the way to go for this title but some of us just prefer consoles. TF2 is great and enough people are still playing the PS3 version that I can pretty much always log on a and find a good game. Portal is great (and works fine on PS3) I have not had any half life issues either (but I have not finished episode II)

Really? I may in fact prefer the PS3 version over the PC version to be honest (the PC version is getting this huge gameplay revamp and I hate it).

^^^ Well, the consoles may get the PC's TF2 upgrades once Valve releases all the new weapon loadouts for each class and balances them. That's my theory though as I've heard nothing on that anywhere.

Really? I may in fact prefer the PS3 version over the PC version to be honest (the PC version is getting this huge gameplay revamp and I hate it).

to be honest I have never played the PC version. But I am jealous of all the extra maps. There are also a few exploits in the PS3 version that have yet to be patched. In general it just semes like more effort is put into the PC version. I assume by game play revamp you are referring to the new unlock-able weapons? I can see how that might throw off the balance a bit (and the balance is part of what makes the game so good)

Well, technically it isn't supposed to cause an imbalance since the three new loadouts each character receives are supposed to be equal to the three you already have. You get one new melee, one new sidearm and one new primary weapon - just like what you already have. Not better (in theory), just different.

Unfortunately they are coming out with the new stuff one character at a time spaced apart, so not being able to have as many options for your favorite character as the Pyro and Medic do feels unfair to some. I'm patiently waiting for the new Spy gadgets myself.

Finally picked this up. I missed the $30 sale at Target but found it for $19.99 at Best Buy the other day. Portal was as amazing as everyone said and I'm a few chapters into Half-Life 2 and enjoying it quite a bit.

I have to say it runs OK so far but the lack of effort really shows up in the incessant loading. There's no good reason a game this old has to load every couple of minutes.

Finally picked this up. I missed the $30 sale at Target but found it for $19.99 at Best Buy the other day. Portal was as amazing as everyone said and I'm a few chapters into Half-Life 2 and enjoying it quite a bit.

I have to say it runs OK so far but the lack of effort really shows up in the incessant loading. There's no good reason a game this old has to load every couple of minutes.

Yeah EA really dropped the ball on the PS3 version, but since ep3 is just one episode they SHOULD be able to get it decent the next time.

Keep in mind that for Portal and HL2 Ep.2, there is also loading between scenes on the other two platforms as well.

Not as long though, and there aren't any framerate issues. It's not really fair to compare the PC/360 version to the ps3 version anyways. Valve develops them together, and doesn't touch the PS3 version. So naturally there will be issues.

Yeah EA really dropped the ball on the PS3 version, but since ep3 is just one episode they SHOULD be able to get it decent the next time.

why is everyone blaming ea? At least they tried to bring this great game to console. If it was up to Valve the game would still only be on PC. If anything blame Valve for showing our consoles no love.

That being said IMO Valve is a great game developer and both HLs were way ahead of the curve for FPS on PC, for all those who only play console I guess ur SOL :(

I just hope we ps3ers get the new Portal (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/14/portal-still-alive-heading-to-xbox-live-arcade/)

I can't say enough that PS3 owners should pick this up. Orange Box runs fine on PS3, and the problems that it has are few, minor, and not game-breaking by any means. The gaming press made a mountain out of a mole hill by reviewing pre-release code (as usual), and I haven't noticed the problems to the degree that some of the reviews mention. I've spent time on TF2, finished portal and some of the bonus, finished HL2 and EP1. Except for 2 small areas of slowdown I haven't noticed anything else worth mentioning, because the rest of the small problems happen in every game under the sun.

Now that you can get Orange Box PS3 for $20-30 it's a no-brainer buy. Plus the more copies that sell new even at the lower price, the better chance the next games get a PS3 version at all.

My friends at goozex are sending this to me this afternoon. I'm really looking forward to playing a finding out what all the hype is about. Is there any game I should start with? Portal perhaps? Or should I just take the Half Life games in order? Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.

You should play them in order but switch between Portal and TF2 every now and then.

I just hope we ps3ers get the new Portal (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/14/portal-still-alive-heading-to-xbox-live-arcade/)


Well, if you parse the official press release, it appears to be a timed exclusive.

Portal: Still Alive is listed as "debuting on Xbox LIVE Arcade in 2008." But, the South Park game listed directly below it is listed as "coming exclusively to Xbox LIVE Arcade in 2009."



It's also interesting to note how they detail the GTA IV download content as "the only console with new “Grand Theft Auto IV” content available this holiday season."


http://gamerscoreblog.com/press/archive/2008/07/14/gmsancmt.aspx

I just rented this and am a bit late to the party. I have almost finished Portal. Has anyone experienced any distortion/static that seems intermittent while playing Portal? It is very annoying, but happens less than 10% of the time. When my son told me about it and I heard it I thought it was part of the game, but now that I am playing it and hearing it, it doesn't sound right. :confused::confused::confused:

Very fun game!

I just rented this and am a bit late to the party. I have almost finished Portal. Has anyone experienced any distortion/static that seems intermittent while playing Portal? It is very annoying, but happens less than 10% of the time. When my son told me about it and I heard it I thought it was part of the game, but now that I am playing it and hearing it, it doesn't sound right. :confused::confused::confused:

Very fun game!Yes, I had the same static issue. I think it happens occasionaly during HL2 also.

Yes, I had the same static issue. I think it happens occasionaly during HL2 also.

Thanks SG. :) I kind of knew it wasn't my system as I hadn't heard it on any type of game or media. I cranked games up loud so the static is really annoying,:( other than that almost done with 19. :D

why is everyone blaming ea? At least they tried to bring this great game to console. If it was up to Valve the game would still only be on PC. If anything blame Valve for showing our consoles no love.

That being said IMO Valve is a great game developer and both HLs were way ahead of the curve for FPS on PC, for all those who only play console I guess ur SOL :(

Valve made the 360 version, and it actually was pretty straightforward to convert it from the PC.

Supposedly Gabe Newell (the head guy at Valve) didn't want to do the PS3 version. Given how different it was (no symmetric multiprocessing), it was more of a challenge to do as the PC and Xbox have identical cores and the coder doesn't have to get into the system-management side of things. I guess EA saw some profit in the venture, but Gabe didn't want to do it. If it does well on the PS3, perhaps they will do Episode 3.

I'd imagine these to be DLC on the PS3 and Xbox360, though, probably as standalones for $20.

Got a used couple about three weeks ago of the TOB. Great game. TF2 is a little meh in terms of a FPS imo, I think i would like something like Resistance (or any shooter with a free for all deathmatch) better. Portal is okay, I'm still on the first HL game of the package but the story telling and characters are great. The puzzles are great as well, they seem like a part of the world you are in as opposed to just tasks to complete in order to get to the next level.

I had no problems with framerate or loading (well maybe a little in the portal if you finish levels quickly) before I downloaded the patch so know that I have downloaded the patch I would assume that the games are even beter

I just rented this and am a bit late to the party. I have almost finished Portal. Has anyone experienced any distortion/static that seems intermittent while playing Portal? It is very annoying, but happens less than 10% of the time. When my son told me about it and I heard it I thought it was part of the game, but now that I am playing it and hearing it, it doesn't sound right. :confused::confused::confused:

Very fun game!

It's been happening on and off since Firmware 2.40. I'm hoping Sony will step up to fix it, since there's not much point in waiting for EA to fix anything...

I think Gabe Newell's rush to dismiss the ps3 as a waste of time is now turning into a pride issue. Don't expect anything of substance out of Valve for the PS3. Just ports and no update support. Sad.

http://kotaku.com/5040417/team-fortress-2-updates-coming-to-xbox-360-later-this-year

Owners of the Xbox 360 version of Team Fortress 2 will be scarfing down sandviches and delivering payloads later this year, as Valve is finally bringing all the updates delivered via Steam to the Xbox Live Marketplace. That means new, class-specific Achievements, new unlockable weapons for the Pyro, Medic and Heavy, new gameplay modes and new maps, all on your Xbox 360.

Valve marketing director Doug Lombardi got that piece of business out of the way just before our latest Left 4 Dead demo, saying that the developer wanted to build up a massive update for Xbox 360 users before delivering. Given that Valve is being forced to charge for the update, they wanted to ensure that 360 owners were getting their money's worth.

So, how much? The price isn't final, but Valve is hoping to go as low as possible, aiming for a ten dollar price tag. Not too shabby. Sorry, PS3 owners, no word on when or if Valve will be giving you the same Team Fortress 2 updates.

EA will probably port'em.

I just rented this and am a bit late to the party. I have almost finished Portal. Has anyone experienced any distortion/static that seems intermittent while playing Portal? It is very annoying, but happens less than 10% of the time. When my son told me about it and I heard it I thought it was part of the game, but now that I am playing it and hearing it, it doesn't sound right. :confused::confused::confused:

Very fun game!

Yes, I had the same static issue. I think it happens occasionaly during HL2 also.

Thanks SG. :) I kind of knew it wasn't my system as I hadn't heard it on any type of game or media. I cranked games up loud so the static is really annoying,:( other than that almost done with 19. :D

It's been happening on and off since Firmware 2.40. I'm hoping Sony will step up to fix it, since there's not much point in waiting for EA to fix anything... I've been playing HL2 and I hear the static all the time with the Onkyo 605. I don't think I've ever hated a game so much in my life. It is so dark and mundane. I get stuck or lost every other minute. I promise myself every time that this will be the last time I try to play it. There's never any sense of reward throughout the game, other than : "LOADING", and it'll do that if you go backwards as well, often giving you a false sense of kind of achievement. I am up to what IGN calls part 7, I think out of 11.

Honest question: Why do you go back then?

He goes back because he knows the game rocks.

HL2 is so freaking linear; how did you end up backtracking far enough to require loading the old area again? Sucks about the crackling/static. Random thought.

Honest question: Why do you go back then?
The few games I try, I like to try to finish. Plus, I like torturing myself.
He goes back because he knows the game rocks.

HL2 is so freaking linear; how did you end up backtracking far enough to require loading the old area again? Sucks about the crackling/static. Random thought.I'm an idiot. I get lost going around every bend. "Wait a minute. Isn't this the way I came.?" It's not all the time. Maybe twice. (or 3X) I even use the IGN PC walkthough. I'm always staring at it asking, "where am I in this paragraph? LOL". I guess there's a reason why I don't play too many games. Yeah, it rocks in some ways. Sure, there's some unique experience in the game play. Thank g-d for Captain Quicksave and the health cheats. Kill a headcrab, quicksave. Post this message, quicksave.

I'm an idiot.

Fair enough, I guess ;)