How would 2 X-subs perform vs my current 8" Sony sub that came in with my HTiB that I bought 3 years ago? I have space issues so the X-sub seems to be perfect for my situation, so instead of getting 1. I'm thinking 2 x-subs. My room is 21'L x 14'W x 8'H.

Wow....no one has any opinions??? Geez thanks guys, really appreciate it!

Well I don't have an exact answer for you since I am still learning all this audio stuff. But since no one else is helping ill try. From what I have read you would be better off putting all that money together and buy one really nice sub.

Hope it helps.

Just about anything will be an improvement over the 8" Sony HTIB sub you have. I had a Sony HTIB with an 8" sub, and trust me, just about anything is better. The X-sub has a very good reputation, and if its small size is necessary, a pair of X-subs should be a good setup. The X-sub is especially highly regarded in its musicality. For a serious HT setup, you'd probably be better served with a larger subwoofer, though the X-sub will do fairly well at moderate volume levels.

Just out of curiosity, why such a restriction on the sub's size? I mean, I can understand you not having room for an eD A7-900, but in a room that size I'd think you could fit a decently sized sub. Does your sub need to fit in custom cabinetry or something? Anyway, to answer your question directly, a pair of X-subs could be a quality setup in that room. You won't get extension to the deepest HT bass, but it should be musical and accurate, with enough punch to give a good HT experience.

One X-sub would cream one Sony 8" sub IMHO. Lakersfan34 has a point about using a larger sub rather than two 8" subs. Moving up to a single 10" or 12" will go deeper than two 8" subs.

One X-sub would cream one Sony 8" sub IMHO. Lakersfan34 has a point about using a larger sub rather than two 8" subs. Moving up to a single 10" or 12" will go deeper than two 8" subs.


You're right about the Sony. However, normally two 8 inch subs will produce the same amount of output as one ten, two tens one twelve, and so on. All else remaining equal of course.

Ian

Get a single ED sub, for as much as you can afford..it will always be the best option

Ed subs isn't an option if he has space issues. Unless he can fit 13 3/4 x 24" smallest ED? Pretty large room if you can't go with a sono tube subwoofer or any bigger subwoofer. 2 x subs maybe the answer but I would try to go bigger. if you like your Sony sub then 2 x subs maybe enough for your taste

Thanks for all the replies guys. I would love to go with a 12" sub but i really do have space issues. The sub can't be bigger than 12" wide, so my options are really limited. I don't like my sony sub cause it's just a muddy mess. So if anyone has any suggestions, I'll really appreciate it.

The x subs I haven't heard but ppl say they sound good . So if space is an issue I would get one make sure I liked it first or buy 2 if theres a discount. Pretty much the x sub is all that would fit in your space so I would just buy it. :) Maybe go to Av123 forumns and see if theres someone local who will let you listen for the price of a beer or 2???

Thanks for all the replies guys. I would love to go with a 12" sub but i really do have space issues. The sub can't be bigger than 12" wide, so my options are really limited. I don't like my sony sub cause it's just a muddy mess. So if anyone has any suggestions, I'll really appreciate it.

The x-sub sounds like your best option at the price and your size restrictions. Between it and your sony. they don't compare. You'll be amazed with it. Adding another will only reinforce that by giving you a little more output and possibly evening out room response issues, depending on where they are placed. I would go with the x-sub.

Thanks guys, I'll definitely try one first then buy the other one. So by adding a second i should get more power?

Thanks guys, I'll definitely try one first then buy the other one. So by adding a second i should get more power?

If you co-locate identical subs (have them next to each other with the settings the same) you should get about a 6dB increase in output. If you have two identical subs but don't have them co-located, you're probably going to get about a 3-4dB increase in output. It should certainly be a perceivable, substantial increase in output. The advantage to having two or more subs not co-located is that you can often get a flatter response (fewer peaks and nulls). Conversely, two co-located subs don't always smooth frequency response as much, but they produce greater bass output.

Another consideration would be if you could fit a 16 inch tube in your space. I can whole heartedly recommend any SVS tube if you can.

Pat

Another consideration would be if you could fit a 16 inch tube in your space. I can whole heartedly recommend any SVS tube if you can.

Pat

I was thinking the same thing, but I think the OP mentioned that the sub couldn't be more than 12 inches wide.

I was thinking the same thing, but I think the OP mentioned that the sub couldn't be more than 12 inches wide.


I thought maybe he could push it a bit:D

Pat

What is a tube exactly?

Cylinder subs from SVS (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl.cfm)

If you could squeeze out just a bit more room, you might consider the 12.25" wide Rocket ULW-10 (http://www.**********/products_product.php?section=subwoofers&product=6.1), or the 13.125" wide Rocket UFW-10 (http://www.**********/products_product.php?section=subwoofers&product=1.1). Both should reach a little deeper than the x-sub.

Just fyi, co-locating can mean stacking the subs (one on top of the other) OR placing them beside each other.

12 1/4 = to wide :). I would find a way to fit that 1/4" forgot about that choice. Could always get 2 of those.

If you can get 2 of the ULW-10's that AV123 had on sale for $279/each, I would highly recommend that solution. Some say that his sub does not do well for HT, but I disagree. I have ONE in a room that is 21x14x8 with about a 6 foot opeing into the hall that leads to the kitchen. While it does not go as low or quite as loud as my SVS 20-29pci that I have in my basement, it still goes low and can shake that room without a problem. It is also extremely musical and not boomy at all. We were watching LOTR on TNTHD, and the room was seriously shaking. I have not heard the x-sub, so I cannot commment on that one.

x-subs are great....also the ULD-10's on sale are a good alternative.
I just thought I'd throw this Pinnicle Baby Boomer sub in...it's
very small, two 8" drivers, 600w amp...it's gotten great reviews in
the past.....just as an alternative solution, might be a little more
money than the x-subs but anyways.....Link:

http://www.bestwebbuys.com/electronics/Pinnacle_Baby_Boomer_Subwoofer-4278245.html?isrc=e-search

Best of luck on whatever you choose, and happy holidays, vardo

The Cerwin Vega ve-28 is a strong-for-it's-size sub that will fit in your space
http://www.beachaudio.com/Cerwin-Vega/Ve-28s-p-77280.html

You do know that most of us would want at least two $600 subs in that big a room ;)

Is there a trick to getting more output from the X-Sub? My brother is complaining his new sub from ********** just doesn't give him the same output as his old one. I told him he's just not used to the sound of a non "boomy" sub. I haven't seen his new house but I was led to believe his living room is pretty large and he's trying to use a 8'' sub. I guess I should have just let him by that 100 dollar JBL from Worst Buy.

Is there a trick to getting more output from the X-Sub? My brother is complaining his new sub from ********** just doesn't give him the same output as his old one. I told him he's just not used to the sound of a non "boomy" sub. I haven't seen his new house but I was led to believe his living room is pretty large and he's trying to use a 8'' sub. I guess I should have just let him by that 100 dollar JBL from Worst Buy.

Please let me know how he is connecting it...

I am glad to help...

mlsav123@mac.com

Best...

mls

Please let me know how he is connecting it...

I am glad to help...

mlsav123@mac.com

Best...

mls

Mark...I think I'm going to have to wait until I go visit him next month in order to truly answer that. I'll bring my SPL with me and calibrate it the best way I know how. I didn't realize his living room is as big as it is 17x25 (9 foot ceiling and open to the kitchen)...I probably suggested the wrong sub for his needs.

I had to up-sale him on the quality of a good sub and right now it's not putting out near the output his old 8'' Aiwa did in the same position. I thought it was a matter of the old sub being what he was just used to hearing and I'm sure that's part of the issue...but clearly he's not happy with the output.

I haven't seen his new house that was recently finished but when he called me he was looking at the cheap 100 dollar subs at Best Buy and the like and I steered him towards **********.

Right now it sounds like he has it in the wrong place (he has it near the left front in-wall speaker). I told him he would get better response if he can put it in a corner...and right now he's down to getting about a 20ft sub interconnect cable and running it over.

With that much volume I don't know if the X-Sub is going to do the trick or not. I know it being a new house he probably doesn't have a whole lot hanging on the walls and helping as "room treatments"....I know it's sitting on a concrete slab and big open room running parrell to the living room.

I know even in my small living room my SVS PB10-NSD won't sound very good if I don't have it in a corner so I hope that's all it is for him too...but clearly that's a bit of a small sub for that room IMO.

Not sure what kind of speakers he has...I think it's all Polk In-Wall/In-Ceiling arrangement. Onkyo 674 receiver.

I had him set the mains to around 120hz and the lfe to 80hz. Any suggestions would be great...but like I said I really need to go visit him but I live 500 miles away so it's won't happen for at least another month. If I can't get him happy I may just buy it off of him and run another sub in my house. :cool:

Please let me know how he is connecting it...

I am glad to help...

mlsav123@mac.com

Best...

mls

Hey Mark, I'm the brother and I am connecting it via sub preout...But like Hunter844 said my new living room is HUGE! You can call me tomorrow your Co. has my number or just talk with Kyle with any sujustions!.

A 17x25x9 room is a very large space for a small 8-inch sub to fill. The X-Sub is better than many other 8-inch models from other manufacturers -- and should run rings around any $100 Best Buy sub -- but still is unlikely to deliver the sort of heavy impact that you'd like from bass-heavy movie scenes (tank tap scene in Finding Nemo, etc) in that room. Relocating the sub into a corner may help somewhat.

Also consider that your sub needs to fill an even larger space than 17x25x9 due to the opening into your kitchen -- so the effective area that needs to be filled is even more than 17x25x9. You're looking at a very large area here; even a good 10-inch sub will probably be unable to deliver reference levels in such a large space.