After alot of research I'm down to these 2, and will be putting in my order on Monday.

All things being equal, and you could have either sub...Which do you take?

All things being equal, and you could have either sub...Which do you take?
The one I would get the quickest:eek:

The one I would get the quickest:eek:

Well that knocks the eD out huh? :D

I'm kind of in the same boat. I torn between these two and the AV123 MFW-15. I've been on the pre order list at AV123 since Dec. 2006. I may be going the ED A5-350 before the first of the year.

Later, Daman

After alot of research I'm down to these 2, and will be putting in my order on Monday.

All things being equal, and you could have either sub...Which do you take?

One up it and get the Caliber for bragging rights...Eat less that month..

One up it and get the Caliber for bragging rights...Eat less that month..

+1 on this

eD A5-350 all the way

eD A5-350 all the way
not really :rolleyes:

IronMike may have the perfect answer. After having tested an A2-300, A5-350, A7-900, Valor, Castle and Conquest, I think it's a pretty safe bet that all the products from either of these guys are excellent.

not really :rolleyes:

was wondering why you say, "not really"? i have an a5-350 on order and was wondering if there is something i need to know? i havent seen anything but positive reviews would welcome any neg. reviews for reference. thx.

was wondering why you say, "not really"? i have an a5-350 on order and was wondering if there is something i need to know? i havent seen anything but positive reviews would welcome any neg. reviews for reference. thx.

From what I can gather that guy works for Epik or something. He doesn't say much unless it's an attempt to discredit the "craigsub" guy.

Gents ... Ssabripo is a fan of Epik, but that does not make him a bad guy, nor is he wrong here. He does not work for Epik, but he and Chad are pretty friendly.

There really is nothing to suggest that the A5-350 is "better" than a Knight. I would think they are probably very close in actual performance.

Ssabripo was responding to the post "eD all the way" ... nothing more. :)

was wondering why you say, "not really"? i have an a5-350 on order and was wondering if there is something i need to know? i havent seen anything but positive reviews would welcome any neg. reviews for reference. thx.

I think craig said it best...both products are excellent, and you need to start considering some of the pros' and cons' of each, instead of making blank fanboy statements like domingos.

if I were to look at it, I would research it a little bit more in detail, and see which one suits me better. I'd start with the drivers, for example:

*eD is using the eD 16Ov.2 driver:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=36
fairly decent driver, with Qts: .36, Fs: 23 Hz, and Xmax of 21mm.

*the Knight Driver has a slightly bigger motor, the Fs: 20Hz, and Xmax of around 25-26mm.

I'd also look at the finish, and would try to find other pieces of info like FR information on each, etc.

Craig said it best in this case: either will really serve well and be a very good choice. To say "X all the way" as if to imply it is superior, is where I said "not really"

From what I can gather that guy works for Epik or something. He doesn't say much unless it's an attempt to discredit the "craigsub" guy.
well, it is about time you start to gather better information, as your observations are pretty innacurate and plain laughable.

Craig and I have had our disagreements in the past, and we certainly have had some "heated" discussions at time, but I respect his efforts and respect him as man/father/charitable individual. I'm pretty sure the viceversa is somewhat true as well.

I'm a "fan" of Epik because of Chad, as much as I'm a fan of the Seaton's products because of Mark, as much as I'm a fan of TC because of Thilo and Deon. It is good to learn from some of these designers and get insights into how certain design parameters and decisions were taken that affected particular areas of a subwoofer system. You should try that sometime.

well, it is about time you start to gather better information, as your observations are pretty innacurate and plain laughable.

Craig and I have had our disagreements in the past, and we certainly have had some "heated" discussions at time, but I respect his efforts and respect him as man/father/charitable individual. I'm pretty sure the viceversa is somewhat true as well.

I'm a "fan" of Epik because of Chad, as much as I'm a fan of the Seaton's products because of Mark, as much as I'm a fan of TC because of Thilo and Deon. It is good to learn from some of these designers and get insights into how certain design parameters and decisions were taken that affected particular areas of a subwoofer system. You should try that sometime.

What about my post is inaccurate? I made it clear I wasn't sure of your employment status with Epik, and while you might not be a paid employee you seem to have a vested emotional interest in Epik. As for the rest I'm trying.

To the OP. I came down to the same 2 subs. I went with the A5, not because I thought it was better, but because with shipping it was almost $100 cheaper and I was already over budget.

I'll have both of these subwoofers by Christmas. If you can wait until the week after Christmas I can give you some hands on thoughts about both subwoofers.

I'll have both of these subwoofers by Christmas. If you can wait until the week after Christmas I can give you some hands on thoughts about both subwoofers.

In for that.

I'd guess the A5-350 and Knight are very close. I'm looking forward to Brian's review.

In ssabripo's defense he isn't on my global ignore list and I'm very liberal with it. ie: he always has something interesting to say.

What about my post is inaccurate? I made it clear I wasn't sure of your employment status with Epik, and while you might not be a paid employee you seem to have a vested emotional interest in Epik. As for the rest I'm trying.
your post was MORE than innaccurate.....not only did you imply that I have a vested interest (even if "emotional") in Epik, which is pretty laughable, but you also mentioned that "i don't say much other than try to discredit craigsub", which is even more laughable.:rolleyes: ....... Hell, even Craig will tell you how far off you are. It is one thing to have disagreements with Craig, is another to assume your position. Do a search and you'll find the vast majority of my 4k+ posts had nothing to do with craig, but more with contributions to this forum, from several DIY how-to's, to calibration of several SSP's, ISF calibration of displays, codec technologies, etc...

I have no more vested in Epik than I have in JL audio or Seaton's Submerrsive. A little search would have helped you see that before you post your little assumptions. Matter of fact, take a look at the stickies at the top of this subforum.....you see the little thread about the trip to JL audio's facilities? who do you suppose organized that? who do you suppose worked with the folks at JL (manville, Carl, and company) to make it happen? who do you think planned the logistics, and arranged everything? Does that make me have a vested interest in "JL audio"?

Wish I HAD VE$TED INTERE$T in JL audio, Ed and Epik :)

Wish I HAD VE$TED INTERE$T in JL audio, Ed and Epik :)

you and me both! :D

ssabripo: As someone who long ago was involved in DIY, built my first home theater in 1996, and had a previous account on this forum "in the old days", I will say that your posts in this subwoofer thread have come across to me as VERY biased (and I am posting as someone who finally decided on an A7-900 rather than a Conquest, as it actually cost LESS when ordering some other speakers for a friend's intro home theater). I do not know you. I have only formed this opinion based on what you have said, and the frequent jabs at Craig.

To carry the logical assessment a tad further, calibration of several SSP's, ISF calibration of displays, codec technologies really is a bit of a red herring, as these are not the topics at hand! Again, I have appreciated your other posts elsewhere, and hope to continue to learn from you. Just consider that how you approach what you say may tend to alienate other readers WHO CAN BENEFIT FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE!

Please consider the above in the sense it is offered.

Well, if I came across as such, it certainly was not the intent....so thanks for pointing it out. I was, however, addressing the "Epik" and "discredit craigsub" comments, as those are way out on left field.

back to topic.

wow i opened a can of worms with that one! i just asked because i have 2 a2-300, and a a5-350 on order. ed says 2 stacked a2-300 should be equal to a a5-350. i have not stacked the a2-300s yet as i am awaiting the arival of the a5-350. some where someone said that an a5-350 wouldnt be enough sub for a true bass head. i just want to be sure ive got enough bass. i can see how bass can be quite addicting. i really like this subwoofer, bass forum. thx to all for many enjoyable reads. you never know i might even learn something!

Everyone's a fan of one brand or another--nothing wrong with that. ssabripo, all your posts motivated me to check out the Epik Knight. Great, another tough choice for me to make. :) Cognitive Dissonance is the mother of my plight. Wonder if Craig is going to administer a test on the Knight using the same criteria he used to rate all the other subwoofers, including the A5-350. I trust his judgement over a lot of the stuff printed since he doesn't have a hidden agenda and/or advertisers to impress...

Everyone's a fan of one brand or another--nothing wrong with that. ssabripo, all your posts motivated me to check out the Epik Knight. Great, another tough choice for me to make. :) Cognitive Dissonance is the mother of my plight. Wonder if Craig is going to administer a test on the Knight using the same criteria he used to rate all the other subwoofers, including the A5-350. I trust his judgement over a lot of the stuff printed since he doesn't have a hidden agenda and/or advertisers to impress...

very well Armaan. :)

this is the great power of research....when used intelligently and with due diligence, you can get a pretty good idea which subwoofer will fit your needs best most of the time. Look at your budget, look at your room and layout, look at possible measurements when available (there are measurements on several subs on craig's list on avtalk, ilkka, etc), look at the description craig gives when he scored the sub (and not just the score), look at other's feedback, look at the components of the subwoofer you are considering and what their capabilities are, look at the finish, look at the design, etc, etc.

In the end, you will understand there is no one "best" subwoofer, but one that best meets a particular individual's needs. Both the A5-350 and Knight in this case will give you great performance at this price range, as would other alternatives as well in this price range. eD has a good track record on the car audio world and surely they are doing well in home now as well. Similarly, Chad Kuypers is considered one of the best driver designers out there, and his subs have obviously done very well too. As have proven designs by HSU, Tom at SVS, Ian at Axiom, and many more...

Beware of "X subwoofer all the way" type of replies, as they usually have no real information other than fanboy release.

Remember, this is the fun part of the journey.....once bought, in place, calibrated, etc, then it becomes boring! Trust me! :D

My guess is that a5-350 edges it out..

ssabripo, agreed. So far, I've whittled my list down to three:

eD A5-350 $600 shipped: http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=618
Epik Knight $685 shipped:http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/KnightOverview.html
AV123 MFW-15 $550 shipped (pre-order): http://av123.wetpaint.com/page/MFW-15+Subwoofer

wow i opened a can of worms with that one! i just asked because i have 2 a2-300, and a a5-350 on order. ed says 2 stacked a2-300 should be equal to a a5-350.
Any pics of your A2-300? I just wonder if 2 A2-300= 83 points really equals one A5-350= 96? Let use know. I would think the A5-350 would still sound better. 2 subs will just get louder the sq doesn't get better???

After a lengthy discussion with Chad, bringing all factors into it... I actually went ahead and ordered the Epik "Caliber". :D

Good looking out Sherv!! ;)

Any pics of your A2-300? I just wonder if 2 A2-300= 83 points really equals one A5-350= 96? Let use know. I would think the A5-350 would still sound better. 2 subs will just get louder the sq doesn't get better???

i dont know about the points thing, thats just what was told to me by ed. not quoting anyone though. when i ordered the a5-350 i had a talk with chris, and told him i was thinking of stacking the a2-300,and asked him what he thought. very nice guy by the way. i told him i didnt want to get rid of the 2 a2-300s, but use them with the a5-350. he said should be fine with total output being roughly equal to 2 a5-350s. im sure that by next year i will be wondering about the a7-450. note to self, sell subs to brother and buy a9-700,. i guess i have the upgradis bug. and i dont have any pictures, no camera. note to wife, x-mas,hint, hint. i think might next project might be a bfd, and learn to do room responses. will keep you informed of my progresses. i am excited though, love to shake the house!

If you got an A9-700 I'd probably hear it at my house in Auburn :eek:

Congrats Tysonmax,

I have the Caliber as well in a 20x12x9.5 media room and really like it. I'm a newb in sub speak comparitively to many of the others on these boards and can't show you any fancy graphs and such, but calibrated to the best of my abilities using an spl meter, it really fills my room nicely.

Reference playback it has the ability to scare my 10 yr old out of the room and make my eyeballs dance in my head. Watched the Heart concert HDDVD the other day and it sounded better than some of the live concerts I've been to.

I think I may have some room resonance issues to deal with because some of the bass lines were really pronounced. Movies I've never noticed so much because it's not a constant barrage. I'd much rather deal with toning some frequencies down though than the other alternative. Hope you have a positive experience with your purchase. Chad's a heck of a nice guy. I think we spent an hour or so just chatting up all my options before my purchase.

I'd recommend listening to the opening ship combat scene from Master and Commander to really get a wow when you get it. Lots of folks love the War of the Worlds stuff but the cannon shots and explosions in M and C just really made for more emotional "wow man" impact for me than the unceasing room shaker that is War of the Worlds, it just seemed more dynamic and visceral to me.

Does anyone know the time from when you place an order with the Epik Knight to the day it get shipped?

I know the eD A5 will take about six weeks or so but I dont knoiw If I can wait that long. I already have on the way my Klipsch speakers and my Denon 3808

Does anyone know the time from when you place an order with the Epik Knight to the day it get shipped?

It was 5 business days from time of order to shipping for my Castle sub. It's probably the same timeframe for the Knight.

If you got an A9-700 I'd probably hear it at my house in Auburn :eek:

if i had the a9-700, i probably wouldnt have a house that was still standing!

Are there coupon codes at Epik that one can use when purchasing an order online?

Congrats Tysonmax,

I have the Caliber as well in a 20x12x9.5 media room and really like it.

Thanks NB..I can't wait toget my hands on it!


Does anyone know the time from when you place an order with the Epik Knight to the day it get shipped?

It takes anywhere from 3-5 business days to build then add another 2-5 days in transit depending on your location.

Does anyone know the difference of A5S - 350 Subwoofer to the regular A5 - 350 Subwoofer. What does the S stand for? Sealed?

What is the LT/550 that you can add for 65 bucks?
and the eQ.2 for another 85 bucks.
Someone let me know i'm new to these terms.

Does anyone know the difference of A5S - 350 Subwoofer to the regular A5 - 350 Subwoofer. What does the S stand for? Sealed?

What is the LT/550 that you can add for 65 bucks?
and the eQ.2 for another 85 bucks.
Someone let me know i'm new to these terms.

yes the S means SEALED the eD A5S -350 comes with a 350 amp standard
but u can upgrade to the LT/550 550 watts for $85 more

Thanks for the answer, so my next question is, does it make sence for 85 bucks to do it. Is the more watts worth the money? Compared to just getting something else?

i think it is.
i have the eD A5-350 550 watts and love it.

yes the S means SEALED the eD A5S -350 comes with a 350 amp standard
but u can upgrade to the LT/550 550 watts for $85 more

you mean the a5-350 now has a sealed version? i have been away for like a day, when did this happen? are you sure its not the a7s-450? now off to the ed site to look, never a dull moment with you guys!

ok im back. yes seen the new a5s-350, nothing there! when did this happen? dont see how it could compare to the non-sealed version, not enough power! put the big amp in it and maybe we could see.?! like i said no info on site so who would know? im sure it is to compete with the valor. should make for an interesing new year! how exciting!

What's the weight of those Epik woofers? It seems more weight means good material and quality. Epik site does not list that at all.

What's the weight of those Epik woofers? It seems more weight means good material and quality. Epik site does not list that at all.

The Castle is about 110lbs.

Epik is considerably better. It's run by the guy who used to own Ascendant Audio. Their subwoofers are a definite step above ED.

Also, ED probably doesn't deserve our support: http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205038&page=2 (see #28 in particular)
http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=38048
http://www.b15sentra.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-66970.html
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9192

Epik is considerably better. It's run by the guy who used to own Ascendant Audio. Their subwoofers are a definite step above ED.


I think you meant to say in your opinion as many here would tend to think there is little difference...some might even say an edge to eD.

I think you meant to say in your opinion as many here would tend to think there is little difference...some might even say an edge to eD.

Some might say Bose doesn't suck. ED is a budget brand. They don't have linear motor technology to bring the kind of Xmax you can get from Epik, AA, TC Sounds, etc.

Edit: That's not to say their products don't suck (for the price). They don't, other than that flat cone crap they used to have. But I won't support them for the reasons discussed in those links. And you can find many more discussions about the same thing.

Epik does not list full specs and some are really important ones such as frequency response and weight. I am thinking about the Valor but I can't find more details about it. eD instead list every aspects.

http://epiksubwoofers.com/ValorOverview.html

Some might say Bose doesn't suck. ED is a budget brand. They don't have linear motor technology to bring the kind of Xmax you can get from Epik, AA, TC Sounds, etc.

Edit: That's not to say their products don't suck (for the price). They don't, other than that flat cone crap they used to have. But I won't support them for the reasons discussed in those links. And you can find many more discussions about the same thing.

i have two words for you GET LOST

i have two words for you GET LOST

No. Was that all you could think of when I posted factual information? How about some factual information to counter? Nobody's stopping you from buying ED, so don't stop me from posting factual information about the company that might influence other peoples decision.


Epik does not list full specs and some are really important ones such as frequency response and weight. I am thinking about the Valor but I can't find more details about it. eD instead list every aspects.

Kind of true. ED lists specs for all their stuff. Unfortunately, they are often less than truthful. Read some of the stuff I linked. If you can get ahold of Chad (he's a busy guy), he's a great guy who will spend an hour just talking to you about stuff, new products, the direction of his company, etc. If you're looking for more information about his products, get in touch with him.

That said, I will still continue to DIY. But his products are definitely good. Many DIYers here loved his subwoofers when he was AA. (For the record, AA is now owned by Fi)

No. Was that all you could think of when I posted factual information? How about some factual information to counter? Nobody's stopping you from buying ED, so don't stop me from posting factual information about the company that might influence other peoples decision.




Kind of true. ED lists specs for all their stuff. Unfortunately, they are often less than truthful. Read some of the stuff I linked. If you can get ahold of Chad (he's a busy guy), he's a great guy who will spend an hour just talking to you about stuff, new products, the direction of his company, etc. If you're looking for more information about his products, get in touch with him.

That said, I will still continue to DIY. But his products are definitely good. Many DIYers here loved his subwoofers when he was AA. (For the record, AA is now owned by Fi)


In case u didn't noticed nobody cares about your personnal problems with eD
they make great subs and thats all that counts.

In case u didn't noticed nobody cares about your personnal problems with eD
they make great subs and thats all that counts.

If you don't care, fine. Again, I didn't tell you not to buy them. As for everyone else, why not let them decide for themselves? They make pretty good subs for the money, yes. If their shady history doesn't bother you, then feel free to buy them. Don't act like some kind of censor, deciding what other people need to see.

Some might say Bose doesn't suck. ED is a budget brand. They don't have linear motor technology to bring the kind of Xmax you can get from Epik, AA, TC Sounds, etc.

Edit: That's not to say their products don't suck (for the price). They don't, other than that flat cone crap they used to have. But I won't support them for the reasons discussed in those links. And you can find many more discussions about the same thing.


Yet their overall performance blows away commercial subs 2x as expensive and more. They also perform right in line with the Epik line. So once again I disagree with you.

If you don't care, fine. Again, I didn't tell you not to buy them. As for everyone else, why not let them decide for themselves? They make pretty good subs for the money, yes. If their shady history doesn't bother you, then feel free to buy them. Don't act like some kind of censor, deciding what other people need to see.

no u 're the one acting like a PAID epik employee that was sent here to bash eD's subs.

Yet their overall performance blows away commercial subs 2x as expensive and more. They also perform right in line with the Epik line. So once again I disagree with you.

i could not agree more

I just noticed his sig. line. He obviously has a personal agenda in all of this....should have known :rolleyes:

I just noticed his sig. line. He obviously has a personal agenda in all of this....should have known :rolleyes:

Obviously. I could say the same for you and ED, but I'm not childish enough to. Ever heard the term "fanboy"? That would be you two. If you would like to post some facts disputing what I say, then I will be happy to read them. Otherwise, personal attacks are not necessary. Thanks. Also, how much do you know about Epik's products? I think you only know ED and are being fanboys. I'm done with this thread because now all I'm doing is responding to a couple of immature guys not worth the time.

You have proven your ignorance to me beyond a shadow of a doubt ;)
I do not even own an eD.
Personal attack by me, where? I pointed out your 'look at me' sig. ine which shows an obvious agenda.
If you look at my history on this forum I have recc. the Epik line as much or more than the eD line ;)

My facts are only tested performances. Both Epik and eD are hanging with the big boys for commercial at a fraction of the price. Your "they are a significant step up" statement about epik compared to eD is obviously not quite true.

This is better than UFC Fight Night.

I've known that Conquest driver has larger excursion than ED's ones and tower and castle probably do too..I'm not sure about the knight and caliber though. But how does excursion correlate to sound quality? I'd imagine a cone moving really far to produce really high SPL impacts the sound quality, but thats just a guess, I have little knowledge.
If you look at the Craig's test ED definetely does not have anything above it in performance at any price point. There could be quality control and realiability issues though, and thats a concern for me. I didn't even know there was someone called Ben, I've only seen Chris and Alex post here and both seem to be really nice guys, the tech support I recieved while placing an order was also great.

Craig's bookshelf test also showed the Acculine A1s to be great, which the thread I made showed far more people to disagree with. Bigtime.

Higher Xmax = higher output capability. It does not make the sound quality. Of course, a driver designed for SPL only may sacrifice sound quality, but this is due to coincidental factors such as Le, not from Xmax directly.

Craig's bookshelf test also showed the Acculine A1s to be great, which the thread I made showed far more people to disagree with. Bigtime.

Higher Xmax = higher output capability. It does not make the sound quality. Of course, a driver designed for SPL only may sacrifice sound quality, but this is due to coincidental factors such as Le, not from Xmax directly.

Can you explain where my bookshelf test showed the Acculine A1's to be "great?".

It used to be SVS vs HSU, but those two camps have matured. Now it eD vs Epik. The names have changed, but the same moronic statements are being made. DonoBOY and DUMBingos, take it to PMs.

It used to be SVS vs HSU, but those two camps have matured. Now it eD vs Epik. The names have changed, but the same moronic statements are being made. DonoBOY and DUMBingos, take it to PMs.

Well said. And here are the results about the A1/A2 from Acculine:

Acculine A1/A2

1. Depth and width were excellent on both loudspeakers, and among the best in the test.
2. Microdynamics were excellent, one of the best in the test.
3. Macrodynamics were quite good, but not at the top of the list.
4. Female vocals were excellent, while male vocals were slightly "weak".
5. Brass instruments were very good, and percussion quite accurate, but not quite as dynamic as the best.
6. Bass extension was quite limited, with a 100 Hz crossover recommended.


How anyone could translate this into "great" is a mystery.

Take a DEEP breath guys, now say to yourself MERRY CHRISTMAS. Have a good one all.

Later, Daman ;)

It used to be SVS vs HSU, but those two camps have matured. Now it eD vs Epik. The names have changed, but the same moronic statements are being made. DonoBOY and DUMBingos, take it to PMs.
WELL SAID!

Thank you Randy!!!;);)

I would choose the Epik Knight. I think that the Knight would be the closest competitor to the ED A5-350. The Castle, which has a 500 watt amp (similar to the A5-350s 550 watt) petty much walked all over the A5-350 in the Craigsub tests, so I would expect the Knight to be at least on par with it.

Would one of these Epics or the A5-350 be better for music? Also where can I get an Epic if that's the route I decide to take? I was originally looking at subs especially suited for music such as the SVS SB12, but it also needs to rock for HT. Thanks and Merry Xmas!

I would choose the Epik Knight. I think that the Knight would be the closest competitor to the ED A5-350. The Castle, which has a 500 watt amp (similar to the A5-350s 550 watt) petty much walked all over the A5-350 in the Craigsub tests, so I would expect the Knight to be at least on par with it.

it walked all over the eD?
U must be smoking crack

Castle walking over the ED I dunno but it rated 45% better in HT and 20% better in music?? On Craigsubs list. Most ppl who say the ED subs kick ever other sub out there preaches this list like it's the RULE ....dunno. There's always going to be something better.
But the Castle is @ $400 more for another week. Then it maybe what $200 more???

Castle walking over the ED I dunno but it rated 45% better in HT and 20% better in music?? On Craigsubs list. Most ppl who say the ED subs kick ever other sub out there preaches this list like it's the RULE ....dunno. There's always going to be something better.
But the Castle is @ $400 more for another week. Then it maybe what $200 more???

With shipping to my house the Castle is almost twice as much as the A5, right now it's $500 more (84%.) After the price change it'll be just under $400 more (67%.) Two different class subs in completely different price ranges. They should never be compared to one another.

I figured I would run into you sooner or later responding to that comment. By Craigsubs ranking, I see a 45% improvement in HT, and a 20% increase in the music aspect of his testing. Do you even realize the performance increase that it would take to achieve those numbers? To me that is a considerable and indisputable margin. The new ED A5-350 is one of the most affordable groundbreaking subs in the industry, but it's not quite in the same league as the Conquest, PB13 Ultra, Castle, and anything that could score over a 105 in those tests. Thus the term 'walked over' was used. I am sorry if it offended you. I am back off to my crackpipe now, so I can work up the nerve to go ahead and order the Castle.

With shipping to my house the Castle is almost twice as much as the A5, right now it's $500 more (84%.) After the price change it'll be just under $400 more (67%.) Two different class subs in completely different price ranges. They should never be compared to one another.
Your right it's a better sub with more cost. IMO subs should be within a few $$ to compare direct. But if a $600 sub best a $1000 it may not apply to all $1000 subs.So ppl shouldn't care if a $1000 Epik walks all over a $600 ED :D

Some bad news. The FedEx site and eD said I would receive my subwoofer sometime on the 24th, but that didn't happen.

Currently, the FedEx site shows my A5-350 sitting two towns away with no estimated delivery date. I don't know when it will arrive.

The Epik Knight is here.

Brian ... How is the Knight ? This should be a pretty good comparison.

Brian....we are looking forward to your comparisons. Are you enjoying the Knight so far?

Your right it's a better sub with more cost. IMO subs should be within a few $$ to compare direct. But if a $600 sub best a $1000 it may not apply to all $1000 subs.So ppl shouldn't care if a $1000 Epik walks all over a $600 ED :D

You also shouldn't try to extrapolate performance results for an untested $600 sub from one company based on test results from a $1000 sub from the same company.

You also shouldn't try to extrapolate performance results for an untested $600 sub from one company based on test results from a $1000 sub from the same company.

This is True ... I called Chad today and asked about getting a Knight here, to compare with the eD, the MFW-15 ... and using the PB-Ultra 13 as the benchmark.

This is True ... I called Chad today and asked about getting a Knight here, to compare with the eD, the MFW-15 ... and using the PB-Ultra 13 as the benchmark.


I like this idea!

I too am curious about these 15" bargain subs and how they compare (the Knight, eD A5-350 and MFW-15)

Ah, as always, time is on our side since the 350's price is going up jan. 1st.
Can't decide b/w the Epik or the eD!
As of now, I'm leaning toward the eD because of the price point. I'd hate to choose the eD after the Jan., then regret not purchasing it beforehand!

Brian,How's the Knight performing so far?

Some bad news. The FedEx site and eD said I would receive my subwoofer sometime on the 24th, but that didn't happen.

Currently, the FedEx site shows my A5-350 sitting two towns away with no estimated delivery date. I don't know when it will arrive.

The Epik Knight is here.

Any news yet brian?

I think Brian is too busy enjoying his sub......he hasn't been around on this thread for almost a week. Hopefully, he checks back in to give us his impressions.

Brian is such a tease!

He's filming a movie "LFE of Brian"

Sure would be nice to hear Brian's comparison...you'd think fedex had delivered by now...

Looks like he tried running them both at the same time and was killed by the impact.

I own a eD A5-350.
Yes, it was a long wait.
Yes the finish is not eye catching.
Yep, I am on my third (coming soon) amp.
Chris has been more than nice to deal with.
He took the time to call me at home not of my asking.

I think for any money they are very nice sounding subs.
I would love a beautiful finish , but I don't have to worry about spills or scratches.
The sub does what I expected it to do.
I hope to have the new modified amp asap and get back to listening.
Sure there are better subs out there, but for my money it was well worth it.

I'm more pissed that I didn't wait to get a sealed 18" from them.
;)

Looks like he tried running them both at the same time and was killed by the impact.
no...they said he lived to tell about it...just not here on avsforum. :D
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/images/2007/04/24/malmesbury_explosion_13_470x353.jpg

Lmao

After alot of research I'm down to these 2, and will be putting in my order on Monday.

All things being equal, and you could have either sub...Which do you take?

Neither. Get the MFW-15 and call it good...

Well right now which one would you pick? The Knight for $698(shipped) or the eD A5-350(LT-350) for $650(Shipped)? or LT-550 for $715(shipped)?
Is adding the 550 worth it? By adding it,does it surpass the Knight?

I want to know too!

Well right now which one would you pick? The Knight for $698(shipped) or the eD A5-350(LT-350) for $650(Shipped)? or LT-550 for $715(shipped)?
Is adding the 550 worth it? By adding it,does it surpass the Knight?

Man, did the prices went up ,i paid 550 for a A5 350 with LT 550 and a 130v.2

Man, did the prices went up ,i paid 550 for a A5 350 with LT 550 and a 130v.2

I know what you mean. I paid $770 for an A7S-450 with 1300 watts.

I guess prices are driven because of the demand.

So again is the LT-550 amp in the 350 better than the Knight's 350 amp? Or is the Knight still a better sub overall?

So again is the LT-550 amp in the 350 better than the Knight's 350 amp? Or is the Knight still a better sub overall?

dude u are going to get guys saying the Knight is better ,and u are going to get guys saying the 350 is better.u are the one who needs to make up your mind.don't rely on others opinions.

There's only Brian Tatnall who has both, but he disappeared, mysteriously. Nobody else has both to my knowledge. I have neither, but I would guess that the Knight would outperform 350 with 350 watts and would roughly match the 350 with 550 watts. Knight has a bit bigger enclosure and probably a bit more excursion on the driver.

I own a eD A5-350.
Yes, it was a long wait.
Yes the finish is not eye catching.
Yep, I am on my third (coming soon) amp.
Chris has been more than nice to deal with.
He took the time to call me at home not of my asking.

I think for any money they are very nice sounding subs.
I would love a beautiful finish , but I don't have to worry about spills or scratches.
The sub does what I expected it to do.
I hope to have the new modified amp asap and get back to listening.
Sure there are better subs out there, but for my money it was well worth it.

I'm more pissed that I didn't wait to get a sealed 18" from them.
;)

I ordered the A5-350 then I read on their blog about a new sub that they were going to offer, the A7S-450. I called got a price and changed my order. This was back in October. I am real happy with the A7S-450, but the main reason I like it is because I could custom fit it into my built-in. For a sub sitting out in the room I think the A5-350 is an excellent choice.

MJG100......how much was it(A7s-450)?What is the difference between a sealed and non-sealed sub?