I think this one demonstrates the skip and/or instability you are talking about.

The Chronicles Of Riddick: Unrated Directors Cut. SD and HD.
Chapter 8: The Lord Marshall's Offer.

...from where the speeches begin and through Riddick's fight to win the knife. There are several skips.

If you listen to the Director's introduction he explains that this is the result of cutting the original film and extending scenes.

The interesting thing is that with the SD version of the movie the Samsung seems to loose stability when it hits some of these cuts. Sometimes it takes longer to recover and you notice the stuttering playback.

Other than this movie I can only say I've seen this problem on older DVDs and home made discs...mainly after hitting chapter points, layer changes and after navigation. If it goes on too long you can hit Pause/Play and the Samsung usually recovers quickly.

Later, Conrad

There is no audio drops, so if you looked away (or had a long blink), you wouldn't have even noticed it. Its shortly after the dad threatens to break down Shia's bedroom door, during the dialog, its at a moment when the camera shifts from Shia to the mother talking, just a few video glitches for a couple of seconds.

I don't think i have a bad player, this is my 3rd unit and the only one that hasn't been corrupted by any discs, has not had any lock ups, or any audio drops ( I have it hooked via HDMI to a new Denon 3808 ). So maybe there was a bad batch of discs, if you are not able to see it on yours.

Rick, I was watching and listening :). Nothing to report though as I didnt see any skip. or break in the motion that was not normal. I was looking for glitches too. I watched the start of the previous chapter (58 min in) to after that scene (aboiut 1:28 in) jsut to make sure I didnt miss anything, I actually went over the house scene twice too make sure I didnt miss anything.

There could very well be a bad batch of discs, or it could jsut be one of those "things" we have found but cant duplicate on every player.

RIght now I have the player connected to my TV (no HDMI reciever). HAve you tried jsut a straight run to your TV to see if yout ake the 3808 out the glitch dissapears? Its pulling for strings I know, but I always like to try every possibility 1st.

TRANSFORMERS HD-DVD at about 1:15:25 (right as mom starts talking). The video glitches for a couple seconds, the audio played smooth though. I don't remember my A2 having this issue. Could someone else verify? (FW 1.0)

Do you remember where you reported this? I did a search for your username and "Transformers," but I didn't find the post you're referring to. Did you abbreviate "Transformers"? I just wanted to read the post where you talked about this.

Thanks,

Larry

Here you go, I did a search by his user name before to find it. :)

Rick, I was watching and listening :). ... HAve you tried jsut a straight run to your TV to see if yout ake the 3808 out the glitch dissapears? Its pulling for strings I know, but I always like to try every possibility 1st. I haven't actually tried it straight to the TV, but I just recently got the Denon 3808, the first time I saw the issue was using HDMI through my Yamaha RX-V1700. As a note, Audio is set to Audiophile and I have tried it in both 24FPS and non 24FPS modes. (had to use non 24 until the 1.2 FW because of the frame smearing issue on Transformers and Disturbia)

Oh, and thanks for tracking down my old post for lalittle, I wasn't on last night while i was setting up my new notebook.

Here you go, I did a search by his user name before to find it. :)

I don't understand -- it says "here you go," but it doesn't say to go anywhere. What am I missing?

Thanks,

Larry

I think this one demonstrates the skip and/or instability you are talking about.

The Chronicles Of Riddick: Unrated Directors Cut. SD and HD.
Chapter 8: The Lord Marshall's Offer.

...from where the speeches begin and through Riddick's fight to win the knife. There are several skips.

If you listen to the Director's introduction he explains that this is the result of cutting the original film and extending scenes.

The interesting thing is that with the SD version of the movie the Samsung seems to loose stability when it hits some of these cuts. Sometimes it takes longer to recover and you notice the stuttering playback.

Other than this movie I can only say I've seen this problem on older DVDs and home made discs...mainly after hitting chapter points, layer changes and after navigation. If it goes on too long you can hit Pause/Play and the Samsung usually recovers quickly.

Later, Conrad

At least some of the skips I was referring to were definitely not due to this. I know this because when I play the same disc on my SD DVD player, the same shot plays smoothly -- i.e. the skip is not there. If this were due to the source material, it would show up on the DVD player as well.

What I'm seeing is definitely unique to the 5000 in at least SOME cases.

Thanks,

Larry

What I'm seeing is definitely unique to the 5000 in at least SOME cases.

Larry,

Sorry, I chose a common movie I thought would show others what to look for as a demonstration because I can't remember which movies I've seen exhibit the problem.

The very subtle stuttering playback is a 5000 issue.

I believe that the 5000 is more sensitive to marginal disc errors or content that other players have no problem with. Sometimes the 5000 will pause slightly, skip frames or start the unsmooth jerky playback seemingly out of nowhere.

I'll take notes next time.

Later, Conrad

Larry,

Sorry, I chose a common movie I thought would show others what to look for as a demonstration because I can't remember which movies I've seen exhibit the problem.

The very subtle stuttering playback is a 5000 issue.

I believe that the 5000 is more sensitive to marginal disc errors or content that other players have no problem with. Sometimes the 5000 will pause slightly, skip frames or start the unsmooth jerky playback seemingly out of nowhere.

I'll take notes next time.

Later, Conrad

Thanks to everybody for the feedback on this -- at least I know it's not just me.

I'm hoping that this issue is fixable via a firmware update since if it isn't, I could see this being a difficult issue to get repair techs to see -- especially in a situation where I have to explain the problem via writing.

I agree that it's relatively subtle, but it's still an "error," it's still noticeable, and it still annoys me enough to take me out of the moment when watching a film.

Larry

I think this one demonstrates the skip and/or instability you are talking about.

The Chronicles Of Riddick: Unrated Directors Cut. SD and HD.
Chapter 8: The Lord Marshall's Offer.

...from where the speeches begin and through Riddick's fight to win the knife. There are several skips...

While I don't think this is the same issue Larry noticed (and possibly me?), I think this is a result of the 5k not handling branching discs properly. I've reported the same issue at branching points in the CE3K BD. It seems to jump ahead to the next branch, and it sounds like an audio hiccup.

Doug

I don't understand -- it says "here you go," but it doesn't say to go anywhere. What am I missing?

Thanks,

Larry

Larry,

You asked about his transformers issue, so I quoted the post where he originally reported the issue...Unless I misunderstood your question to Rick.

Except Ph8te, some Warner HD DVDs are forced into 60 fps and those same movies will sometimes exhibit audio dropouts digitally. ;)
My copy of Planet Earth on HD DVD arrived while I was gone over the weekend. As this is a title that's known to exhibit many an audio drop out, I will test it tonight as I am curious to see if it also makes the player switch to 60hz mode.

I know a few people reported issues with American Gangster. I jsut watched it with no glitches at all :) . I was expecting a glitch or something due to the multiple reports, but it plays smoothly from start to end.

Larry,

You asked about his transformers issue, so I quoted the post where he originally reported the issue...Unless I misunderstood your question to Rick.

Ah! I see. I just misunderstood what I was looking at.

I still don't understand why I couldn't find that post.

Thanks,

Larry

Is this a known issue? Seems like I've seen it mentioned somewhere.

Matrix Reloaded
Changing audio tracks in movie causes a large persistant rectangular gray box to pop-up on the screen or the player freezes with "Load" diplayed on the flourescent display. Happens when you select TrueHD 5.1.

Ok I've discovered that pressing Play/Enter starts the movie again and gets the grey box to fade away.

My receiver can't decode TrueHD. It shows as PLII. No problem changing in movie back to DD 5.1.

Later, Conrad

Just got my 5000 from Amazon. Build date Dec. 2007. Upgraded to firmware 1.2 via CD. Played a dozen or so HD DVDs. Problems I noticed so far:

(1) All HD DVD menus played back very sluggish.
(2) Transformers extra feature "HUD" doesn't work right.
(3) Beowulf won't play at all. Keep getting the black screen after load screen.
(4) Audio skips on a few disc even on initial studio logos. I connected the player to my receiver via 5.1 analog.

Other HD DVD discs load and plays fine.

(3) Beowulf won't play at all. Keep getting the black screen after load screen.
Give it about a minute or more. If nothing after 2 minutes, delete the entries under persistent memory storage in the settings.

Yeah, just read that you need either wait for couple minutes or press random keys.

I already turned off the cookies and deleted all the files in persistent memory storage.

Cool, go ahead and wait it out then. ;) This is a definite bug, IMO. I gave up like yourself thinking nothing would happen but learned it was just excessively delayed. I have it mentioned in my bug list: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1007434

(1) All HD DVD menus played back very sluggish.

This is my general experience as well. HD-DVD menus usually act as if there isn't enough processing power to display them smoothly. Sometimes it's not too bad, but with some discs it's really annoying.

Larry

This is my general experience as well. HD-DVD menus usually act as if there isn't enough processing power to display them smoothly. Sometimes it's not too bad, but with some discs it's really annoying.

Larry

Since this has never been mentioned as a possibility here I thought I would bring it up. I don't believe Samsung is using the official HDi instead they are using a "homebrew" version. I see the information has said HDi, but information from an insider stated that neither LG nor Samsung licensed HDi officially.

I think this may be the reason we notice the slow down or hiccups coming from official HD DVD players. The slow down may have less to do with memory and more to do with the way the software was implemented. Just a thought.

I has to agree. Maybe Samsung should learn the lesson that writing software is better leave to pros :)

Other than those known issues, so far I'm happy with the 5000 PQ wise. I really hope those audio issues can be addressed soon.

And I don't undertand why these HD players can't play region-free PAL DVDs (my HD-A3 is the same). All my SD DVD players have no problem to play them.

And I don't undertand why these HD players can't play region-free PAL DVDs (my HD-A3 is the same). All my SD DVD players have no problem to play them.

There are a lot of things that other players do, but they didn't bother to engineer them in the 5k!
;)
Doug

I has to agree. Maybe Samsung should learn the lesson that writing software is better leave to pros :)

Other than those known issues, so far I'm happy with the 5000 PQ wise. I really hope those audio issues can be addressed soon.

And I don't undertand why these HD players can't play region-free PAL DVDs (my HD-A3 is the same). All my SD DVD players have no problem to play them.

Its becasue in the US none of the players will advertise being region free. This would make the studios very "upset". There was a big enough squable over HD DVD not being region coded, some studios even said that the reason they didnt release was due to the region dree players. While it would be nice, The import market isnt that big in NA. Europe is a different story though. BTW I DID see a region\PAL hack for an A1\A2, but have not seen any for any other HD DVD player.

I know a few people reported issues with American Gangster. I jsut watched it with no glitches at all :) . I was expecting a glitch or something due to the multiple reports, but it plays smoothly from start to end.
I believe the only issue with American Gangster is getting it to start at all. If a player can get past the web loading screen, there are no further problems. I watched it last night with no issues (after having gotten the disc to load last week (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13396021#post13396021)).

Its becasue in the US none of the players will advertise being region free. This would make the studios very "upset". There was a big enough squable over HD DVD not being region coded, some studios even said that the reason they didnt release was due to the region dree players. While it would be nice, The import market isnt that big in NA. Europe is a different story though. BTW I DID see a region\PAL hack for an A1\A2, but have not seen any for any other HD DVD player.

I meant to say playing region-free PAL DVDs from Asia, not making it a region-free player. I have no need for region-free player (hence don't care about region-free hacks). But I do occasionally have some region-free DVDs I need to play.

I believe the only issue with American Gangster is getting it to start at all. If a player can get past the web loading screen, there are no further problems. I watched it last night with no issues (after having gotten the disc to load last week (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13396021#post13396021)).

I have no problem load and play AG discs last night. I tried more than a dozen HD DVDs last night. All except "Beowulf" loaded and played ok. I've since learnt I need to wait a few minutes for "Beowulf" and it plays afterwards.

One more problem: I don't think there is a away to turn off web downloads for HD DVDs other than unplug the player from my network. I turned cookies off and the player still downloads all the stuff from web to persistant storage.

I believe the only issue with American Gangster is getting it to start at all. If a player can get past the web loading screen, there are no further problems. I watched it last night with no issues (after having gotten the disc to load last week (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13396021#post13396021)).
That was Beowulf ;)...with AG people were reporting a number of glitches during playback (almost like Sunshine). If you look at some of the earlier posts on SG you will see them :). I have been around here too long :p

As I suspected, Planet Earth is another HD DVD disc(s) that exhibits both audio drop-outs near the chapter markers and forces the player to revert to 60hz until another disc is inserted. I've yet to find a disc where one of these problems doesn't guarantee the presence of the other. I intend to pass these findings on to Samsung soon.

This looks like a problem from another "Warner" disc ;). DO you have the BBC version or the Discovery one?. I know there are differences, so I am wondering if we are getting these issues on both versions or just one. Also, fro what vinnie says, there are a number of Warner titles that will "force" 60fps. Since I dont run at 24\fps I never notice this.

That was Beowulf ;)...with AG people were reporting a number of glitches during playback (almost like Sunshine). If you look at some of the earlier posts on SG you will see them :). I have been around here too long :p



This looks like a problem from another "Warner" disc ;). DO you have the BBC version or the Discovery one?. I know there are differences, so I am wondering if we are getting these issues on both versions or just one. Also, fro what vinnie says, there are a number of Warner titles that will "force" 60fps. Since I dont run at 24\fps I never notice this.
Spanbauer made that Warner discovery actually (which I definitely confirmed), lol

This looks like a problem from another "Warner" disc ;). DO you have the BBC version or the Discovery one?. I know there are differences, so I am wondering if we are getting these issues on both versions or just one. Also, fro what vinnie says, there are a number of Warner titles that will "force" 60fps. Since I dont run at 24\fps I never notice this.
I have the Discovery edition of Planet Earth. Like Planet Earth, the Warner titles that "force" a 60fps picture are the same and only titles Vinnie and I have experienced audio dropouts with.

Did you get a certain PM, Span? I sent one yer way last night.

I have to retract my statement about Planet Earth (Discovery Edition) being like the Warner discs; I went ahead and deleted my post that's quoted in Ph8te's post. The reason the player switches to 60hz with the Discovery version of Planet Earth is because the content is 1080i, so it's actually doing what it's supposed to. My mistake. Furthermore, after watching 40 minutes of the first disc I didn't hear any audio dropouts; I had just assumed that they would be there as others had said they were but they must be talking about the BBC version.

Did you get a certain PM, Span? I sent one yer way last night.
I did! I'll set up what I need to set up and get back to you. Thanks Vinnie.

I have to retract my statement about Planet Earth (Discovery Edition) being like the Warner discs; I went ahead and deleted my post that's quoted in Ph8te's post. The reason the player switches to 60hz with the Discovery version of Planet Earth is because the content is 1080i, so it's actually doing what it's supposed to. My mistake. Furthermore, after watching 40 minutes of the first disc I didn't hear any audio dropouts; I had just assumed that they would be there as others had said they were but they must be talking about the BBC version.


I did! I'll set up what I need to set up and get back to you. Thanks Vinnie.

If these dropouts are repeatable (specific points) I can test it out. I have the BBC version, but have yet to watch it.

I have to retract my statement about Planet Earth (Discovery Edition) being like the Warner discs; I went ahead and deleted my post that's quoted in Ph8te's post. The reason the player switches to 60hz with the Discovery version of Planet Earth is because the content is 1080i, so it's actually doing what it's supposed to. My mistake. Furthermore, after watching 40 minutes of the first disc I didn't hear any audio dropouts; I had just assumed that they would be there as others had said they were but they must be talking about the BBC version.


I dont have any dropouts and I have the BBC version.

Planet Earth (regardless of BBC or Discovery) are mostly short in 1080i video cameras. So are most animations (rendered using computer). These ttitles should not be played in 24Hz mode as they are not natively 24 FPS.

Planet Earth (regardless of BBC or Discovery) are mostly short in 1080i video cameras. So are most animations (rendered using computer). These ttitles should not be played in 24Hz mode as they are not natively 24 FPS.
If you have 24hz mode enabled and insert a disc that doesn't support it, the player automatically switches to 60hz. It also switches between 24hz and 60hz on the fly when going from film sources to video sources on the same disc (behind the scenes extras, for example). Hell, it even switches to 60hz mode just to display some legal disclaimers that come up before films (depending on how they were created I suppose).

If 5000 can do that automatically, it's great. I know Toshiba 1080p HD-DVD players can't do that.

Yes but I'm doubting it's always the intended behavior...some film-based Warner titles also switch to 60hz. This might be a problem of the authoring of the disc, though.

I've been gone for a few days and I don't feel like going through all the posts. Vinnie97, any confirmed new problem discs ?

I actually decided to add Beowulf since it does take over a minute to load.

This is just to let you guys know what titles do play, I've been trying to get this thing not to play a movie especially Fox titles. I went out and bought Hitman because I figured if I'm going to spend this kind of money I sure as hell don't want 3:10 Yuma. And just to let you all know this is the only time I have ever spent 30.00 on a HDM disk my limit was 20.00 in the good old days.:D

So far I've been able to play DAT, FF4ROTSS, Hitman, Apocalyto, FMJ, all of my HD DVD's play well to like TF with web enabled working perfect, The Thing, 300, both Blu and HD let me put it this way... I can't get it to not play a movie.

So far I'm pretty impressed with this little unit, although it is a funny looking thing it pumps out all the movies.

I've been gone for a few days and I don't feel like going through all the posts. Vinnie97, any confirmed new problem discs ?

I actually decided to add Beowulf since it does take over a minute to load.
Hey, Trancer. Take a look here: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg6dggdj_15dmw8bqcq

Some of those in the middle (that were problematic before...Babysitters and the Sopranos) have not been confirmed as still being problematic. Maybe I should delete them like you have here? The rest have been confirmed by 2-3 people.

This is just to let you guys know what titles do play, I've been trying to get this thing not to play a movie especially Fox titles. I went out and bought Hitman because I figured if I'm going to spend this kind of money I sure as hell don't want 3:10 Yuma. And just to let you all know this is the only time I have ever spent 30.00 on a HDM disk my limit was 20.00 in the good old days.:D

So far I've been able to play DAT, FF4ROTSS, Hitman, Apocalyto, FMJ, all of my HD DVD's play well to like TF with web enabled working perfect, The Thing, 300, both Blu and HD let me put it this way... I can't get it to not play a movie.

So far I'm pretty impressed with this little unit, although it is a funny looking thing it pumps out all the movies.
Nothing wrong with 3:10 to Yuma, I got it for $15 + tax. ;)

More audio dropouts.
SD-DVD
Stargate: the Ark of Truth

Later, Conrad

I have had a few issues with my BD-UP5000:

Bought Sunshine and 28 Weeks Later - Neither one plays, both take me to a Red screen that says I need to update my Firmware (I am running v1.0)

"Angle" note on Ratatouille - Same as everyone else

Sensitivity on some S-DVDs - First Blood motorboats wildly in the second half of the film.

Transformers - Locks up the player

I tried the Sunshine BD on a store model of the BD-UP5000 and it worked, so Samsung tells me my player is the issue, and I have sent it in to them, which they are going to swap for a reconditioned and factory tested model, that should, in theory, work properly.

I'm hoping I get a perfectly functional player. I'll know later this week. Does anyone know if Samsung will be providing firmware upgrades to take the BD-UP5000 all the way to Profile 2.0 when the time comes? The player has the necessary hardware and ports, I would think it's capable.

Samsung sent me a replacement player, it arrived last Friday. My other player had a build date of 12/2007. I think the boards in this group were probably a bad batch. My replacement is brand new, it's a 02/2008 build date, I can now watch Fox Blu-rays with no apparent issues although I haven't tried to watch Sunshine yet. (No red screen of death though!) I also checked the new player on my First Blood SD and found no issues!

I probably am something of a running joke now at Samsung Canada's call centre (I called them almost every day!). Made myself a bit of a nuisance, but considering how things have turned out, I don't feel too bad! :D

I am seeing lip synch delay on The Searchers - John Wayne movie. Using Bitstream Re-encode and Optical SPDIF output. Anyone experience this problem?

Hey, Trancer. Take a look here: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg6dggdj_15dmw8bqcq

Some of those in the middle (that were problematic before...Babysitters and the Sopranos) have not been confirmed as still being problematic. Maybe I should delete them like you have here? The rest have been confirmed by 2-3 people.


Nothing wrong with 3:10 to Yuma, I got it for $15 + tax. ;)

You can take Babysitters and The Sopranos out of your list. The friend I sold my A2 to has both and we tried them here on my BD-UP5000 and they seem to work as far as we could tell.

Most if not all of the other discs are apparently related to 24fps mode. I can't use 24fps on my Sharp LCD in the bedroom, and I don't feel like moving the player back to my home theater since the "added grain" on my 144" screen drives me nuts (but at normal viewing distance from my bed, on my 46" Sharp, it doesn't bother me).

Thanks! Removed both from list.

I'm sorry to hear that the additional grain still remains visible on your large display (perhaps try it again with version 1.2 if you haven't already?). I couldn't pick out any additional grain compared to the 360 + add-on viewed on a 46" LCD (Samsung).

I am seeing lip synch delay on The Searchers - John Wayne movie. Using Bitstream Re-encode and Optical SPDIF output. Anyone experience this problem?

I don't have The Searches to test for you but the audio sync issue turns up more often than I first thought. I noticed it watching the 4th season of Sliders last night. Usually to correct it you just hit pause/play.

I also noticed another problem. Repeatable.
The Lord Of The Rings: ROTK (extended version).
When you skip backwards the player actually skips forward one chapter. 2nd try will then skip backward.
I've noticed this before on other titles but didn't realize what was happening. Thought I had hit the wrong button or something and had to go back to the Menu.

Later, Conrad

Thanks! Removed both from list.

I'm sorry to hear that the additional grain still remains visible on your large display (perhaps try it again with version 1.2 if you haven't already?). I couldn't pick out any additional grain compared to the 360 + add-on viewed on a 46" LCD (Samsung).

I'ver personally never seen the added grain on my 62" DLP. I am not looking for it, but I ahvent noticed anything that is out of the ordinary.

I'ver personally never seen the added grain on my 62" DLP. I am not looking for it, but I ahvent noticed anything that is out of the ordinary.

I'm not going to go back on this subject again other than to say I've had a november, december, and now january build of this player in my hands and they all showed that same issue. The thing is I also have an XA2 to compare with, so that made it obvious to me. YMMV.

I'm not going to go back on this subject again other than to say I've had a november, december, and now january build of this player in my hands and they all showed that same issue. The thing is I also have an XA2 to compare with, so that made it obvious to me. YMMV.

Yeah, the only thing I can compare to is the add-on and at least IMO it looks MUCH better.

BTW I am not doubting that you see added grain, I was jsut giving another opinion\experience no need to rehash the old argument of added grain I was there when the original argument was occurring.

BTW I am not doubting that you see added grain, I was jsut giving another opinion\experience no need to rehash the old argument of added grain I was there when the original argument was occurring.
Likewise. ;)

Interesting.
I was just watching the SD 3rd season of Battlestar Galactica last night. It looks like a lot of scenes are purposely shot grainy for emotional impact.

Comparing on the Oppo 981 the picture was softer with less detail and you didn't notice the grain so much. On the 5000 the PQ was better and sharper which naturally made the grain more apparent...almost overpowering.

Turning up the Sony 50" DLP HDTV Noise Reduction to Max reduced the grain to a comfortable level and still displayed a sharper picture than the Oppo. Especially during the fantastic special effects scenes. Changing the NR on the 5000 didn't seem to make as difference.

No argument just an observation.

Later, Conrad.

Interesting.
I was just watching the SD 3rd season of Battlestar Galactica last night. It looks like a lot of scenes are purposely shot grainy for emotional impact.

Comparing on the Oppo 981 the picture was softer with less detail and you didn't notice the grain so much. On the 5000 the PQ was better and sharper which naturally made the grain more apparent...almost overpowering.

Turning up the Sony 50" DLP HDTV Noise Reduction to Max reduced the grain to a comfortable level and still displayed a sharper picture than the Oppo. Especially during the fantastic special effects scenes. Changing the NR on the 5000 didn't seem to make as difference.

No argument just an observation.

Later, Conrad.


All of the new BSG series has added grain its intentional....What you are seeing is what the direcots intended to be there. Wait to you see BSG in HD ;) the grain is more apparent, but the picture blows SD away IMO...

If you want to see digitally added grains and crushed blacks as the director intended, look no further than 300. With all digital connection (HDMI) these days, even a $10 DVD player won't introduce any additional grain than that's already in the film.

Interesting.
I was just watching the SD 3rd season of Battlestar Galactica last night. It looks like a lot of scenes are purposely shot grainy for emotional impact.

Later, Conrad

Later, Conrad

Conrad, you said "it looks like" which IMO means that you weren't sure. I was just letting you know that it was in fact added on purpose. I know you weren't looking for movies like this ;)

The grain on "Battlestar" is on purpose.

I am watching season three now on Sci-Fi Channel HD and the strong grain is there also.

Chris

Conrad, you said "it looks like" which IMO means that you weren't sure. I was just letting you know that it was in fact added on purpose. I know you weren't looking for movies like this ;)

Hey Ph8te,

LOL....yeh I gotcha....but I have to say that grain as an effect sucks. I wish they'd quit using it.

Later, Conrad

All of the new BSG series has added grain its intentional....What you are seeing is what the direcots intended to be there. Wait to you see BSG in HD ;) the grain is more apparent, but the picture blows SD away IMO...

The grain on "Battlestar" is on purpose.

I am watching season three now on Sci-Fi Channel HD and the strong grain is there also.

Chris

;)

What I have found funny (off topic) but season 1 and 2 that Sci-Fi just ran, they didnt run in HD... only season 3.

Chris

300 just finished and it played with no audio drops using HDMI to the TV only. Starting the Pianist right now, so far no issues.

300 just finished and it played with no audio drops using HDMI to the TV only. Starting the Pianist right now, so far no issues.

here is a thread for disc the 5k will play. Hasnt been updated in awhile though....
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=984321

Watched Pursuit of Happiness last night. the 5000 stopped to "reload" multiple times during the movie. Picture would freeze briefly while you could hear disc search taking place, then picture would resume play. This happened about 8 or 10 times during the film. The disc was a Netflix rental, but it looked completely clean.

More minor problem discs.

1-08 build Firmware 1.2.

The Mummy HD Universal.
Scene selection Menu is blank but evidently it works. You can randomly choose different chapters by scrolling like they are there even if you can't see them.

Gilligans Island: The Complete Series Collection.
Cannot chapter skip back to the beginning. The episodes are only one chapter each but you should be able to skip back to the beginning. Works correctly in the Oppo.

Later, Conrad

Watched Pursuit of Happiness last night. the 5000 stopped to "reload" multiple times during the movie. Picture would freeze briefly while you could hear disc search taking place, then picture would resume play. This happened about 8 or 10 times during the film. The disc was a Netflix rental, but it looked completely clean.

THere have been some "issues" to say the least with Netflix discs...Hopefully someone who ownes the disc can confirm this....:)

More minor problem discs.

1-08 build Firmware 1.2.

The Mummy HD Universal.
Scene selection Menu is blank but evidently it works. You can randomly choose different chapters by scrolling like they are there even if you can't see them.


Later, Conrad

I have the mummy and will test this out, will update probably on monday.

More minor problem discs.

1-08 build Firmware 1.2.

The Mummy HD Universal.
Scene selection Menu is blank but evidently it works. You can randomly choose different chapters by scrolling like they are there even if you can't see them.


FW 1.2 produced this problem. It's found on older Uni HDs. I noted it in the owner's thread. I found the problem on The Thing and 12 Monkeys. However, newer titles like Pride and Prejudice do not have the glitch. Samsung is apparently working on it.

Doug

Tnx Doug.

Thought I remembered reading about that somewhere.

Just tried playing Beowolf on HTCP.
LG GGC H20L - PowerDVD 7.3.3730a

As expected the Loading Web Enabled Features message came up...woa..wait a minute theres another option...underneath it says...."Cancel". Selecting cancel stopped the web download and instantly started the movie.

Why doesn't the 5000 have this?

This is an important missing implementation. How much time and money would this have saved people in exchanged discs, returned players and support tickets? How much wait time and aggravation would this save in the future?

hmmmm....where's my Samsung support contact info?...

Later, Conrad

David Gilmore - Live at the Royal Albert Hall (BD)

The menu plays fine, but when I try to play the disc, either by selecting a track or just pushing "play all" it goes to black screen and locks up.

FW 1.0

David Gilmore - Live at the Royal Albert Hall (BD)

The menu plays fine, but when I try to play the disc, either by selecting a track or just pushing "play all" it goes to black screen and locks up.

FW 1.0

Might need to go to FW 1.2 and then see if it still has the same issues :).

Anyone have problems w/Spiderman 2 (BR)? It plays fine, but I tried to use the Chapter Search feature in the menu and it all but locked up the player. I was able to get out of it once, but when I went back into it a second time I hit the Stop button to get out of it and then had to start all over.

I recently played Spiderman 2 (under firmware 1.2) and the feature played fine.

I did have to use the Chapter Search feature as we returned to an earlier scene then used it again to resume from where we left off without any issues.

Chris

Updated 1st post with Universal's older HD DVD issue that crept up since 1.2

Watching the first 30 minutes of Michael Clayton HD DVD tonight, I experienced 5 or 6 audio dropouts using 24fps (and this isn't one of those problematic Warner discs that forces 60fps). Most annoying. It's the first Warner HD DVD that supposedly properly outputs at 24fps that has exhibited these dropouts over HDMI/audiophile for me.

Watching the first 30 minutes of Michael Clayton HD DVD tonight, I experienced 5 or 6 audio dropouts using 24fps (and this isn't one of those problematic Warner discs that forces 60fps). Most annoying. It's the first Warner HD DVD that supposedly properly outputs at 24fps that has exhibited these dropouts over HDMI/audiophile for me.

Vinnie,

I didnt have any issues with the BD version.....

Only Blu-ray I've heard so far that gives audible drops was Ratatouille and that was once only...so this seems to be down to the authoring differences between the formats and how well (or poorly) the 5000 handles them.

I don't think you can make any meaningful conclusions on like titles across both formats.

Geeze louise, watched the entire flick tonight (Michael Clayton), counted 14-15 nonrepeatable dropouts.

Watched Firefly on SD DVD last night and had several audio dropouts - very short, but noticeable. I am using Coax audio.

In The Valley of Elah HD DVD, forced 60fps and another 15 audio dropouts.

In The Valley of Elah HD DVD, forced 60fps and another 15 audio dropouts.

I am thinking that this has to do with Warner and they way they encode their HD-DVDs ;)......I have the Blu-ray version of this but havent played it yet. I can confirm though the the Blu-ray Micheal Clayton played flawlessly.....

Yup, snatched 4 recent Warner combo titles at a local Fry's where the price is about the same or less than the DVD counterpart. :o Brave One and Jesse James remain...probably more of the same.

Yup, snatched 4 recent Warner combo titles at a local Fry's where the price is about the same or less than the DVD counterpart. :o Brave One and Jesse James remain...probably more of the same.

I am guessing so ;). The Brave one BD played OK for me twice so let us know if the HD DVD has issues. I havent had a chance to watch Jessie James though. I decided to go with the Blu-rays this time around.

Agreed.

Spanbauer, if you can get a copy of Michael Clayton to test for audio dropouts and 24fps playback, I'd like to know. As mentioned above, this is the first Warner title I've noticed that exhibits audio dropouts but apparently displays 24fps without a hitch.

Agreed.

Spanbauer, if you can get a copy of Michael Clayton to test for audio dropouts and 24fps playback, I'd like to know. As mentioned above, this is the first Warner title I've noticed that exhibits audio dropouts but apparently displays 24fps without a hitch.
Netflix won't let me add the HD DVD version of Michael Clayton; I think that one was released after their "no more HD DVDs" cut-off :(

That's interesting that it's an exception to the 60hz/audio drop-out rule; I hate exceptions to rules, because it ruins the rules :p

me too, I was utterly despondent at the discovery, which is why I was hoping for a confirmation to make sure it's not just me. :p

Watching Alien vs Predator: Requiem (Blu-Ray) now, and it's riddled with audio drop-outs (theatrical version). I'm only 26 minutes in, but I've had about 10 of them already.

Watching Alien vs Predator: Requiem (Blu-Ray) now, and it's riddled with audio drop-outs (theatrical version). I'm only 26 minutes in, but I've had about 10 of them already.

I jsut got this title today so Ill be able to verify this. Are these dropouts repeatable and what track are you using.

I jsut got this title today so Ill be able to verify this. Are these dropouts repeatable and what track are you using.
Just finished the movie and probably had about 30 audio drop-outs altogether. I'll try now to see if I can get them to repeat. I'll also try the unrated version (the disc asks you to pick one of the other before the menu). My hunch is that the dropouts have something to do with bridging the additional scenes, or bypassing them in the case of the theatrical version. I'm using the DTS HD multi-channel.

^dayum, that's severe.

The Brave One HD DVD, played the first 10 minutes and heard 2 drops...also plays correctly at 24fps (like Michael Clayton).

2-and-a-half minutes in to the unrated version of AvP:Requiem and I've already had two repeatable audio drop-outs.

Audio mode is set to Bitsream (Audiophile), PCM down sampling is off, dynamic compression is on. Running through a receiver via HDMI. The first drop-out happens right between the movie title and the shot of Earth (first shot in the film).

Edit: choosing Bitstream (re-encode) seems to eliminate the audio drop-outs (at least the first two).

ooh, repeatable dropouts, that's a creature I've yet to encounter. :p

2-and-a-half minutes in to the unrated version of AvP:Requiem and I've already had two repeatable audio drop-outs.

Audio mode is set to Bitsream (Audiophile), PCM down sampling is off, dynamic compression is on. Running through a receiver via HDMI. The first drop-out happens right between the movie title and the shot of Earth (first shot in the film).

Edit: choosing Bitstream (re-encode) seems to eliminate the audio drop-outs (at least the first two).

Can I ask why you have dynamic compression on? From what I know this will "soften" the sound. Not sure if you are doing it for a specific reason or not just wondering. I have it set to off in my setup and have it connected via analogs. Ill test it out tomorrow to see if I can duplicate the dropouts.

ooh, repeatable dropouts, that's a creature I've yet to encounter. :p
:D

AvP: Requiem is the first title I've experienced audio drop-outs with that wasn't one of those 60Hz Warner HD DVDs. Like I said though, changing the audio output from audiophile to re-encode seems to fix it.

Can I ask why you have dynamic compression on? From what I know this will "soften" the sound. Not sure if you are doing it for a specific reason or not just wondering. I have it set to off in my setup and have it connected via analogs. Ill test it out tomorrow to see if I can duplicate the dropouts.
At lower volumes it's supposed to make the quiet parts of the film more audible and the louder parts less so; members of my household go to bed around 9PM, and their bedrooms happen to be above my television's room. Turns out though that this feature only works on Dolby Digital Tracks, so it's not terribly useful.

Man, I am on a roll today: after going glitch-free for weeks, I've had two problem discs in one night.

Just finished watching Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story. While the movie played fine (apart from being 2.1 TrueHD), there were these little occasional glitches, both visually and audibly. It wasn't an audio or picture drop-out, but rather it was as though the player was skipping over just a few frames of the film. It was just barely noticeable, and didn't really disrupt the film in any way, but definitely a glitch.

Ok, well, the silver lining in that is the first 2.0 title wasn't a total showstopper for the 5000, lol

Ok, well, the silver lining in that is the first 2.0 title wasn't a total showstopper for the 5000, lol
So very true. AvP: Requiem is also loaded with Profile 1.1 features, so I'm surprised the 5000 didn't just lie down and die :p

Just finished watching Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story. While the movie played fine (apart from being 2.1 TrueHD), there were these little occasional glitches, both visually and audibly. It wasn't an audio or picture drop-out, but rather it was as though the player was skipping over just a few frames of the film. It was just barely noticeable, and didn't really disrupt the film in any way, but definitely a glitch.

I've noticed (and reported) the same thing on various other titles (I haven't tried "Walk Hard" yet.) The image will have little "jumps" in it, as if some frames are missing, and it's noticeable on movement since the movement isn't smooth. It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does happen it seems to be repeatable in my experience. I would not be surprised if some people had this issue but didn't notice it -- as you noted it would be considered by a lot of people to be a fairly subtle glitch.

That said, the one thing that I would disagree with you on is how much it disrupts the film. In my opinion, even though it's somewhat "subtle," it's still VERY disruptive. I find myself noting the problem whenever it happens, which pulls me out of the movie and sometimes makes me miss the dialogue.

It has always bothered me that more people didn't report this, so thank you for reporting it.

Larry

I see a skipped frame jerkiness on the special features of some discs (like making of documentaries) but have yet to see it on any feature film, thank goodness. What I'm seeing is definitely not subtle and indeed annoying.

Ok, well, the silver lining in that is the first 2.0 title wasn't a total showstopper for the 5000, lol

It's a sad statement about either the 5000 or the Blu-Ray format in general when having a disc not utterly malfunction is a "silver lining."

Larry

Hey guys,

I am having a problem with one disk in particular......Zodiac......the disk will load, show the Paramount HD logo, go thru a couple of disclaimers, then go to what appears to be the features menu, with clips playing in the background...there is no play option, nor audio options, can't play the movie....disk played fine when I had my A2 installed...I don't remember this disc having an issue.....any ideas? FWIW, I put in Shooter and it played ok, but there was one quick jump in the picture at one point, then played fine.....I do have the latest firmware...

Guys,

I found my problem, DUH!!!! two disk set, I put in the second disk by mistake, man, brain farts get me sometimes, LOL!!!!!

Hey guys,

I am having a problem with one disk in particular......Zodiac......the disk will load, show the Paramount HD logo, go thru a couple of disclaimers, then go to what appears to be the features menu, with clips playing in the background...there is no play option, nor audio options, can't play the movie....disk played fine when I had my A2 installed...I don't remember this disc having an issue.....any ideas? FWIW, I put in Shooter and it played ok, but there was one quick jump in the picture at one point, then played fine.....I do have the latest firmware...

I'm too lazy now to start a poll.. but maybe we need one with build dates...something to do while waiting for the next update.

I got the Red screen of Death on "28 Days Later" (BD) last night. The disc came from Netflix, but it didn't look obviously damaged in any way. Having read about all the trouble this player has with Fox, I tried another Fox disc ("Pathfinder") and it played with no problems. I even tried skipping chapters, fast forwarding, and rewinding, and no apparent problems.

I tried all the usual troubleshooting techniques, including a number of combinations of 24fps on/off, different audio settings, routing the HDMI through the receiver (HK AVR-247) or directly into the TV (Samsung LN-T4661F), and disconnecting the ethernet cable -- all with power cycles in between each change. Nothing kept the RSOD from showing up.

I'm tempted to think it's a hardware issue with the player itself, but since another FOX disc plays correctly, I'm not so sure.

I've had the player for a couple of weeks, and had no trouble with any HD, BD, or SD discs until now. I've even played a number of home-made SD and CloneDVD-style SD copies with no trouble whatesoever. (Actually that's not entirely true: I do hear a loud static-y noise that lasts about a quarter of a second when pausing/re-starting/skipping chapters on "Lost Season 3" BD with player audio set to "Bitstream (audiophile)" and using the Multi-channel PCM track on the disc.)

The build date on my player is 2007/12, and it has the latest firmware (1.2), which I put on as soon as I took the thing out of the box.

Any insight?
Thanks

ETA:
I just remembered that I did have a problem with another disc: "Stargate: The Ark of Truth" DVD froze a few times somewhere after halfway into it. Each one lasted a few seconds, but the player always recovered without having to FF, RW, skip, or restart. I thought the first one was related to a layer break, but then it happened again a few more times. I was watching with the g/f, so I didn't back up to see if it was reproduceable at the same points.

A friend of mine (fellow 5K owner) was recently watching AvP R (with audio output set to re-encode) and called me asking if I had read or heard anything about the audio coming out as monoraul.

Has anyone else experienced this? I confirmed that he had toggled through the available audio tracks, and it was still coming out (his words) as "mono".

He has an older Dolby Digital capible receiver and I believe he was running audio to it via the optical connection.

I am waiting to gather with him to see if I can replicate the issue on my system.

For now, I have told him to try switching from 're-encode' to 'audiophile' and see if he can get multi-channel audio that way.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks,
Spence

Guys,

I found my problem, DUH!!!! two disk set, I put in the second disk by mistake, man, brain farts get me sometimes, LOL!!!!!

I'm too lazy now to start a poll.. but maybe we need one with build dates...something to do while waiting for the next update.

No need ;) in this case it was the wrong disc....Ive played that disc with no issues on my player.....I seem to be one of the lucky ones though....

Don't feel bad Don....

I did the same thing with SUPERBAD....

Chris

I got the Red screen of Death on "28 Days Later" (BD) last night. The disc came from Netflix, but it didn't look obviously damaged in any way. Having read about all the trouble this player has with Fox, I tried another Fox disc ("Pathfinder") and it played with no problems. I even tried skipping chapters, fast forwarding, and rewinding, and no apparent problems.

I tried all the usual troubleshooting techniques, including a number of combinations of 24fps on/off, different audio settings, routing the HDMI through the receiver (HK AVR-247) or directly into the TV (Samsung LN-T4661F), and disconnecting the ethernet cable -- all with power cycles in between each change. Nothing kept the RSOD from showing up.

I'm tempted to think it's a hardware issue with the player itself, but since another FOX disc plays correctly, I'm not so sure.

I've had the player for a couple of weeks, and had no trouble with any HD, BD, or SD discs until now. I've even played a number of home-made SD and CloneDVD-style SD copies with no trouble whatesoever. (Actually that's not entirely true: I do hear a loud static-y noise that lasts about a quarter of a second when pausing/re-starting/skipping chapters on "Lost Season 3" BD with player audio set to "Bitstream (audiophile)" and using the Multi-channel PCM track on the disc.)

The build date on my player is 2007/12, and it has the latest firmware (1.2), which I put on as soon as I took the thing out of the box.

Any insight?
Thanks

ETA:
I just remembered that I did have a problem with another disc: "Stargate: The Ark of Truth" DVD froze a few times somewhere after halfway into it. Each one lasted a few seconds, but the player always recovered without having to FF, RW, skip, or restart. I thought the first one was related to a layer break, but then it happened again a few more times. I was watching with the g/f, so I didn't back up to see if it was reproduceable at the same points.


It could be the Netflix disc itself. For some reason it seems that these discs have a high tendency of issues then other discs. I played the sequal (28 weeks later) without any issues. I have heard that the transfer though isnt any updgrade for 28 Days later so I passed on that one.

THe red screen of death though seems to be player related not disc related. I cant remember who (maybe James) had this same issue, once his player was changed out he didnt have these issues anymore.

FWIW I ahve the same build as you (12/2007) and have have minimal issues with discs.

Don't feel bad Don....

I did the same thing with SUPERBAD....

Chris
thanks for the reassurance, Chris....LOL....

AVP:R,

Since there were a few people qho had issues with this disc I decided to pop it in quick to see if I could replicate the issues. I DID hear a slight glitch in the very beginning (right before the space shot of earth). I wouldnt call it a dropout though, was more of a static sounding error then silence. It was very quick, but was audible....I probably wont be able to watch this disc all the way through for a little bit, but I did want to confirm that I could replicate an error found earlier.

It could be the Netflix disc itself. For some reason it seems that these discs have a high tendency of issues then other discs. I played the sequal (28 weeks later) without any issues. I have heard that the transfer though isnt any updgrade for 28 Days later so I passed on that one.

THe red screen of death though seems to be player related not disc related. I cant remember who (maybe James) had this same issue, once his player was changed out he didnt have these issues anymore.

FWIW I ahve the same build as you (12/2007) and have have minimal issues with discs.

I still have the red screen, followed by pixelated picture, on Sunshine. I think a few others might have had the same problem.

Doug

I still have the red screen, followed by pixelated picture, on Sunshine. I think a few others might have had the same problem.

Doug

Ahh it was you doug :). I cant remember if you ever switched out your player for a new one or not. I still havent come across a disc that gives the RSOD so I cant comment other then to say its not happening with my player. I think it "could" be the player in some cases, but why certain discs trip it up and others dont is beyond me. Especially since we cant repeat these errors on all players.

David Gilmore - Live at the Royal Albert Hall (BD)

The menu plays fine, but when I try to play the disc, either by selecting a track or just pushing "play all" it goes to black screen and locks up.

FW 1.0

just upgraded firmware... still same result with this disc.

Trying to play the disc, or selecting any menu item results in a black screen.

I just tried German Import Terminator 2 Ultimate HD DVD. When I tried interactive mode online, the clips are all scrambled and out of order and audio did not match the visuals which did not match the text. Anyone else having problem with T2 Ultimate?

Update: I see what the 5k is doing now. I plugged my A35 back in and what it's supposed to be is the movie playing in the window of the website looking page with text in the textbox giving more information. And once in a while, there's a button that tells you to press "OK" and it would activate the other smaller window with an "embedded" clip while the other image is on hold. With the 5k, it lost that structure completely. It plays all these "embedded" clips in order but you lose the original video playing with selection to play the embedded clips. :(

I was fairly surprised when I paused it, it shows more than 4 hours of extra clips when added together. 4 HOURS!!!

Ahh it was you doug :). I cant remember if you ever switched out your player for a new one or not. I still havent come across a disc that gives the RSOD so I cant comment other then to say its not happening with my player. I think it "could" be the player in some cases, but why certain discs trip it up and others dont is beyond me. Especially since we cant repeat these errors on all players.

I'm still on the fence about returning it. Part of it's due to laziness. However, James had good results when he exchanged his at the store - he can now play Fox discs. Since Sunshine, I haven't had problems w/ any other disc, but then I haven't tried any other Fox discs.

Maybe I'll rent I, Robot (don't like it enough to pay $26.99!) and see what happens. That might motivate me to call Samsung, set up a service return, unplug everything, box it up, take it to the UPS place, etc....oy! If I were still in my 30-day exchange window, it would be so much easier. There's a CC less than a mile from my house.

Doug

So is there no way around the audio for I Am Legend HD DVD? Since TrueHD is the only track available. Otherwise, I might just flip it over and play it on the DVD side if I want to experience the audio more than I do the alternate ending.

So is there no way around the audio for I Am Legend HD DVD? Since TrueHD is the only track available. Otherwise, I might just flip it over and play it on the DVD side if I want to experience the audio more than I do the alternate ending.

Unless you system can matrix the 2.1 sound then no, there are no work arounds to get multicannel audio from TrueHD only discs.

I've done a search on the forum, and I didn't see anyone else with this issue. But Saw IV locked up at 44:17 for me. It would studder then lock completely. Menu was still accessible. Tried to skip past and anything after that point seemed to caused the movie to lock up completely.

I was on FW 1.0, updated to FW 1.2 and it did not address the issue. Exact problem occurred again.

The disc was from Netflix, so I'm sending it back to see if a new one will exhibit the same problem. First disc I've had a serious issue with on my player...:(

Just received Reservation Road from Netflix. The problem is after the previews and the Universal opening, the movie showsthat it is at the very end and will not go back to beginning. I tried numerous times to manually try rewinding but upon stopping, it just reverts back to the end of the movie. Has anyone had this problem. This is the second Reservation Road disc as I didn't realize this was the problem with the first one. My unit is a Dec build with the latest firmware. Thanks in advance for any help.

Just received Reservation Road from Netflix. The problem is after the previews and the Universal opening, the movie showsthat it is at the very end and will not go back to beginning. I tried numerous times to manually try rewinding but upon stopping, it just reverts back to the end of the movie. Has anyone had this problem. This is the second Reservation Road disc as I didn't realize this was the problem with the first one. My unit is a Dec build with the latest firmware. Thanks in advance for any help.

I havent heard of anyone having this problem, but you should be able to go to the disc menu by pressing the disc menu button. I am guessing that this is the SD DVD since there was no Blu-ray\HD DVD release of this movie. Also, you want to make sure that the disc is free from scratches.....

I have a 02/2008 build and most things work on my 5K now (My old one was a disaster, but never mind that). I was running Mr.Bean's Holiday HD-DVD and it would not load the web features. I had no problems running the web features from my Transformers HD-DVD. Has anyone experienced the same issues with Mr.Bean or any other Universal HDs with Web features?

Thanks.

I have a 02/2008 build and most things work on my 5K now (My old one was a disaster, but never mind that). I was running Mr.Bean's Holiday HD-DVD and it would not load the web features. I had no problems running the web features from my Transformers HD-DVD. Has anyone experienced the same issues with Mr.Bean or any other Universal HDs with Web features?

Thanks.

Have to check my copy of Mr. Bean (not my favourite movie). However, I did check web feature of Transformers and the HUD mode does not work right. It suppose to shrink the movie into the HUD window with all the stats displayed on the sides. Last time I checked (firmware 1.2), it never did. Instead, it keeps popup director's PIP comments.

has ANYONE heard rumors of another firmware upgrade coming soon?

these issues are just plain dumb!

Chris

has ANYONE heard rumors of another firmware upgrade coming soon?

these issues are just plain dumb!

Chris

The only rumors are the ones that started a couple months ago -- i.e. that an update in "May" will provide BD 1.1 support and advanced audio codec support. There was never any "official" word on this, but some people were pretty confident that their sources at Samsung were reliable.

That said, there were always a lot of conflicting reports from Samsung reps, so we won't know anything for sure until it actually happens.

The best piece of information we've had so far was that a firmware update to the LG 200 took care of the issues that the Samsung 5000 also has. Since both these players use the same Broadcom chipset, it is a reasonable assumption that the 5000 will gain the same feature set with a firmware update.

That's as much as we know at this point.

Larry

Just a quick update from my previous post about Saw IV. I received a new disk from Netflix and it still does not work. Right around 44 minutes into the movie, the movie locks. You can go back to the main menu, but you can't skip past it or do anything else. So we now get to miss half the movie. What a waste.....

I just tried German Import Terminator 2 Ultimate HD DVD. When I tried interactive mode online, the clips are all scrambled and out of order and audio did not match the visuals which did not match the text. Anyone else having problem with T2 Ultimate?

I can't seem to even play this disc in my BDU-5000. Can anyone tell me how to get it to run in the English 7.1 mode? The DVD just seems to get into a loop and the drop down menus don't work. It runs okay on my Toshiba A2, but the new Samsung doesn't seem to like it.

Any ideas out there?

Jusr received my firmware cd from Samsung.Can now play 3:10 to Yuma and Ratatoulli without freezing.:)

I can't seem to even play this disc in my BDU-5000. Can anyone tell me how to get it to run in the English 7.1 mode? The DVD just seems to get into a loop and the drop down menus don't work. It runs okay on my Toshiba A2, but the new Samsung doesn't seem to like it.

Any ideas out there?

I thought I initially had problems too, until I found out that the samsung buttons cannot be mapped directly to how the toshiba remote is to be used. It's really weird...how do I explain. you know on the toshiba, you press left right on the circle thing to navigate and the center circle to select, and menu to get out of a menu? The samsung remote works differently for some reason. Try playing around with it. I don't have the players in front of me right now so I can't really explain how to navigate it. But if you still need help, I'll try it again tomorrow and post what was wrong. (T2 was the first disc I ever tried on my 5k)

Has anyone else had any problems playing Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City Music Hall [Blu-Ray] on their 5000 with the new v1.2 firmware? I have searched and don't see any mention of it except someone stated that it had worked previously with an earlier firmware.

My disc looks clean and plays just fine in both my BD-P1200 and HTPC.

In my 5000 it will show a very brief intro clip, go black and sit scrolling "interactive" on the LCD, then after awhile the LCD will say "menu" but the TV screen will be black and I can't do anything. Pretty much any remote key I press will result in a red circle with hash being displayed briefly on the screen.

I've tried both turning the unit on and then loading the disc and booting the unit with the disc already in the tray. It did the same thing either way.

I've got a 11/2007 build date.

I put in Casino Royale BD in my up5000 2/08 build 1.2 FW. The video randomly pixelated and the internaly decoded LPCM kept popping. Any one else had problems with this disc?

I put in Casino Royale BD in my up5000 2/08 build 1.2 FW. The video randomly pixelated and the internaly decoded LPCM kept popping. Any one else had problems with this disc?

Might be the disc with the errors you are reporting, I dont think I have heard of similar issues with the same disc...

did a search but didnt see the title in this thread - anyone having issues playng the Orphanage...it doesnt play after doing the 1.2 update...

I thought I initially had problems too, until I found out that the samsung buttons cannot be mapped directly to how the toshiba remote is to be used. It's really weird...how do I explain. you know on the toshiba, you press left right on the circle thing to navigate and the center circle to select, and menu to get out of a menu? The samsung remote works differently for some reason. Try playing around with it. I don't have the players in front of me right now so I can't really explain how to navigate it. But if you still need help, I'll try it again tomorrow and post what was wrong. (T2 was the first disc I ever tried on my 5k)

Can you guide me through it?

I got the Red screen of Death on "28 Days Later" (BD) last night. The disc came from Netflix, but it didn't look obviously damaged in any way. Having read about all the trouble this player has with Fox, I tried another Fox disc ("Pathfinder") and it played with no problems. I even tried skipping chapters, fast forwarding, and rewinding, and no apparent problems.

...



RSOD last night on "28 Weeks Later" (BD) At first I thought my player had something against zombies, but then "Resident Evil: Extinction" (BD) played without a hitch. :)

Both discs were from Netflix, and neither of them appeared damaged.

I've also had some troubles with various SD discs locking up/freezing It always seems to be somewhere right around the layer break, for whatever that's worth.

RSOD last night on "28 Weeks Later" (BD) At first I thought my player had something against zombies, but then "Resident Evil: Extinction" (BD) played without a hitch. :)

Both discs were from Netflix, and neither of them appeared damaged.

I've also had some troubles with various SD discs locking up/freezing It always seems to be somewhere right around the layer break, for whatever that's worth.

I believe someone before linked the RSOD to a bad player...It was happening on Fox discs as well. I personally watch 28 Weeks later without issue. The only Red Screen I saw was the "Attention" screen at the beginning of the disc...

Golden Compass would not play for me. Played studio logo prior to bringing up the main menu and then sat at a black screen. Pressing the menu brought up the 'progress balls' for a few seconds on the black screen.

Powered off and back on and had the same issue. Turned on cartoons for my daughter and later powered the 5K back up and Golden Compass menu appeared.

...I guess the third time is the charm!

Has anyone else had a wonky experience with Golden Compass?

Spence

Golden Compass would not play for me. Played studio logo prior to bringing up the main menu and then sat at a black screen. Pressing the menu brought up the 'progress balls' for a few seconds on the black screen.

Powered off and back on and had the same issue. Turned on cartoons for my daughter and later powered the 5K back up and Golden Compass menu appeared.

...I guess the third time is the charm!

Has anyone else had a wonky experience with Golden Compass?

Spence

Played just fine for me last night.

Did you purchase, or is it a rental?

Played just fine for me last night.

Did you purchase, or is it a rental?

Purchased new on the day it was released. I haven't tried it that third time. I've got my 5K set to Bitstream Audiophile, hooked up via component (non-HDMI television).

I'll see if I can repeat the glitch.

Try pushing chapter skip during studio logo.

Try pushing chapter skip during studio logo.
I'll try this at the next opportunity, should it happen again.

It most likely will...it appears to be another software bug has crept up with relation to how the BD-UP5000 reads these new New Line discs. The Orphanage rental exhibited identical behavior on both 5000s I own.

Golden Compass would not play for me. Played studio logo prior to bringing up the main menu and then sat at a black screen. Pressing the menu brought up the 'progress balls' for a few seconds on the black screen.Powered off and back on and had the same issue. Turned on cartoons for my daughter and later powered the 5K back up and Golden Compass menu appeared....I guess the third time is the charm!
Same here. Brand New. First time Golden Compass played it was ok. Now it takes 3 or 4 reboots to get it going....grrr...having trouble getting it to start right now.

Finally got to the Menu but its non-function...restart and try again....Finally...5th reboot its playing.

RW navigation at 1:21 into movie causes it to loose audio...gotta reboot and start the movie over again...(sigh)...so does the bear fall in the chasm or not?

Later, Conrad

Same here. Brand New. First time Golden Compass played it was ok. Now it takes 3 or 4 reboots to get it going....grrr...having trouble getting it to start right now.

Finally got to the Menu but its non-function...restart and try again....Finally...5th reboot its playing.

RW navigation at 1:21 into movie causes it to loose audio...gotta reboot and start the movie over again...(sigh)...so does the bear fall in the chasm or not?

Later, Conrad

Mine hasn't acted up since getting it to play after that third attempt. It does appear to be take a long time to start up, but once it came up, it played without issue. I was able to move about through the menu and jump scenes without any problem.

Spence

In The Valley of Elah HD DVD, forced 60fps and another 15 audio dropouts.

Interesting, Vinnie, I watched this same movie on the HD side and it skipped, then froze for a few seconds, then continued at two different points in the movie...As you know, it's a combo disk, I did not try the SD side...other combos have played with no issue....only one quick audio dropout...I thought I read a post in this thread about taking the disc out of its case by depressing the center button and lifting the edges, bending up slightly, the disc can be damaged...could this be the case?

Golden Compass would not play for me. Played studio logo prior to bringing up the main menu and then sat at a black screen. Pressing the menu brought up the 'progress balls' for a few seconds on the black screen.

Powered off and back on and had the same issue. Turned on cartoons for my daughter and later powered the 5K back up and Golden Compass menu appeared.

...I guess the third time is the charm!

Has anyone else had a wonky experience with Golden Compass?

Spence
same for me - just ike orphanage i needed to ff through the logo screen to get it to the menu--if not i got the black screen

it only happens the first time though - once u get the player to recognize it it seems like the player "learns" to load it - i tried numerous power downs but could not replicate the issue once i ff the logo screen one time

So after testing about 30 Blu and HD DVDs today I got the following.

All of my HD DVDs freeze when I change the audio to Dolby True HD

but my Blu rays like Justice League play Dolby True HD just fine....

bah, wheres that update!!

It freezes? Mine only outputs 2 channel if I do a straight passthrough, otherwise my receiver matrixes it to 5 channel (not the intended sound) but it plays fine. It might be a player issue.

I know there have ben a few reports about the Golden Compass......I put it in the player the other day twice to see if I could get it to "fault"...No issues with mine started up normally both times.....Put in again today and it played perfectly from beginning to end.......

Firmware 071108.02_XXXX_0924.11_XAA

What's this firmware that I have on a OB I got for $399 yesterday? I see reference to 1.0 1.2 where are you reading these designations?

I had a menu problem w/ Baron Munchausen that I think is similar to another BD I remember reading about here. On the main menu, pressing the > button to move to the various options, the 5k starts automatically clicking through all the options. The only way to stop it and actually select something is by clicking the < button. Also, when selecting the chapter selections, instead of displaying the chapters it automatically starts the movie at chapter 1. I replicated both problems.

Also, I had the first lockup w/ the 5k in months. When skipping chapters (because I couldn't select the chapter where I left off via the menu), then reversing, when I press play, it froze on the frame. Skipping ahead again woke it up.

Doug

Firmware 071108.02_XXXX_0924.11_XAA

What's this firmware that I have on a OB I got for $399 yesterday? I see reference to 1.0 1.2 where are you reading these designations?

designations are found on the website...YOu have the old firmware BTW....I personally would upgrade to 1.2
http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=us&CttFileID=1825640&CDCttType=FM&ModelType=N&ModelName=BD-UP5000&VPath=FM/200803/20080310133604250_080306_01_UP5000_XAA_iso.zip

Thx copied and loaded it ok. Not sure what it gives me, maybe better compatiblity with various HD and BD DVD's. First off I notice I picked up a distortion in sound at times, reseting my amp to resync up seems to fix it. One thing I wish Samsung would add is user brighness, contrast adjustments. I get a black crush problem with my Dwin Crt front projector with all the HD-DVD players except the XA2 which had onboard video adjustmentsw for basic brightness contrast color. Seems most of the players are outputting PC video level brightness my Dwin doesn't like. HDMI with my digital projectors is fine, all black bars visible / no crush.

I had a menu problem w/ Baron Munchausen that I think is similar to another BD I remember reading about here. On the main menu, pressing the > button to move to the various options, the 5k starts automatically clicking through all the options. The only way to stop it and actually select something is by clicking the < button. Also, when selecting the chapter selections, instead of displaying the chapters it automatically starts the movie at chapter 1. I replicated both problems.

Also, I had the first lockup w/ the 5k in months. When skipping chapters (because I couldn't select the chapter where I left off via the menu), then reversing, when I press play, it froze on the frame. Skipping ahead again woke it up.

Doug

I watched the rest of the film last night. The automatic scrolling through the menu options happens whether you start w/ > or <. In both cases, pressing the opposite arrow button stops the scrolling and allows you to click to the selection you want.

Also, when I had the problem w/ Scene Selection, I previously pressed Enter on that option, which defaults to the first chapter. If I use the down arrow, then I get the menu of scenes and can choose.

I had a lockup on this disc again after reversing. Rewinding a bit further, then hitting Play, solved the problem.

Doug

Here is a thread that will list all discs reported as having a problem with the new Samsung BD-UP5000. I'll update this 1st post as we go :

UPDATE (03/31/07) : For 24fps related issues, see http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg6dggdj_15dmw8bqcq

Issues remaining after firmware 1.2, released 03/10/08 :

01) NEW ISSUE : older Universal titles (The thing, The mummy, ...) don't display menu items
02) Sunshine (BR) : various playback issues, playing movie only with no FF/RW or pause works
03) Les gendarmes de St Tropez (french HD DVD) : none of the 4 discs go past the M6 logo
04) Spiderman 3 (BR) : "jumpy" menu behavior, making selections difficult
05) Lost Season 3 (BR) : "jumpy" menu behavior, making selections difficult
06) Cars (BR) : "jumpy" menu behavior, making selections difficult
07) Beowulf (HD DVD) : initial "loading" can take up to 2 minutes, black screen during that phase

Did the 1.3 firmware from 5/30/08 fix any of the above?

I don't have this player yet and am thinking of getting it.

Did the 1.3 firmware from 5/30/08 fix any of the above?

I don't have this player yet and am thinking of getting it.

Yes take a look a the google link ;)

I have the Samsung BD UP5000 with firmware 1.3 - I bought Bee Movie yesterday and it would not play. I thought I had bought a defective BR Disc; so I returned it and got a new one - same problem. I don't know if it will play in 1.2 or prior - however, will not play on 1.3.

Anyone else have this problem?

I had never experienced a problem like this. All my BR discs had played before.

-Thanks -
JET

I am surprised at the lack of feedback in this thread reguarding 1.3 firmware issues...

BEE MOVIE has issues???

Makes me nervous to install this new firmware...

Chris

BD Rambo (the new one that takes place in Burma):

I heard quite a few dropouts at various points during the film when using spdif output and "Audiophile" mode. "Most" of these dropouts were completely repeatable, but I did hear a couple that did not happen when I backed up and re-played the same section. If anyone wants to test this, I found a spot with two dropouts in close succession:

Chapter 2 at 8:17, and then at 8:25.

The two dropouts were repeatable for me, but they ONLY happened when in Audiophile mode. When I switched to Re-encode mode, they no longer happened.


I also saw some strange visual oddities at one point:

Chapter 8, from 43:52 to 44:13. As the team walks up the hill to the cave, and then through the cave, the motion on some shots stutters, as if there is a pattern of missing frames in these shots. The movement of characters across the screen is not smooth -- it has little "jumps" in the movement at regular intervals. This only seems to happen on certain shots in this scene, and I did not notice it in any other scene. As soon as we cut from the cave to the plants in the water, the issue stops.


Also, I noticed some glitches with the bonus view feature. While it was on, when I would pull up the menu to change chapters, the words "Chapter Selection," as well as the little chapter stills, were missing. If I navigated around a bit the text and stills would return.

Larry

Eurotrance has been missing for 3 weeks making the first post of the thread rather out of date. Any chance we could move the discussion over to my supplemental thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1007434)? I'll even make a list of the current documented problems to appease anyone who doesn't want to click on a google document. :o

Since I updated the firmware, I tried Bee Movie - will not load, Ice Age - will not load, and RATATOUILLE - will not load. I have about 80 more titles to go, but this is ridiculous. Ice Age and Ratatouille I know worked prior to the firmware. I keep getting disc error 0x000000ff - disc will not play. Anyone know what this error code signifies? Is this a firmware problem? Some discs work and others don't. I am ready to buy the PS3 if this continues and wait for the HD DVD titles I bought to be re-released on BR! This is frustrating that such a high end system has sooooo many problems. Last time I buy a Samsung!

Since I updated the firmware, I tried Bee Movie - will not load, Ice Age - will not load, and RATATOUILLE - will not load. I have about 80 more titles to go, but this is ridiculous. Ice Age and Ratatouille I know worked prior to the firmware. I keep getting disc error 0x000000ff - disc will not play. Anyone know what this error code signifies? Is this a firmware problem? Some discs work and others don't. I am ready to buy the PS3 if this continues and wait for the HD DVD titles I bought to be re-released on BR! This is frustrating that such a high end system has sooooo many problems. Last time I buy a Samsung!

Jet please post disc issues in the thread that is linked in my signature...This thread is no longer updated, so we are tyring to consolidate into 1 active thread.....

BTW you may need to re install the firmware....I just player Bee MOvie without issues...It took a few seconds to load (starts with a black screen then kicks to the loading screen)...But it loads....

I have requested that this thread gets locked so that we can keep from the bumping of this thread so that the updated and maintained one, is the thread people use...

Hi all, not sure of the single best place to post this, since I'm not sure if this is a 1.3 bug, or just a problem disc.

I am having an issue with my 'Death Sentence' German Import HD DVD (Concorde), with this error code:

"This disk can not be played. Error code: 0x00000101"

Sometimes, I don't even get the error code; sometimes the player just freezes while loading the disc.

My 5K just arrived this week. Without really thinking about testing, I did the firmware upgrade to 1.3 over the net right off the bat, but I suspect that the Death Sentence HD DVD would probably still not have loaded on old firmware, as I've seen in a few other forums that imports don't always work 100% smoothly.

So I don't know if this is truly a new issue as a result of 1.3, or if this has always been a problem disc for the 5K. I do know that it played without a hitch on my Toshiba HD-A1. Also it was one of the few HD's that I know of with 5.1 DTS-HD High Resolution. (English track is HR, German track is MA).

I know this wasn't necessarily a largely popular import title, but if anyone has one and can also confirm it doesn't load for them, that would be a big help. Concorde in Germany also released a Blu-ray version with the exact same specs, which is also region free, so if anyone has had success getting that title to play in the 5K, then I can be content in just ordering the BD import version.

hi guys, not sure if this is a glitch but since all other titles have been playing very well I'm guessing it may be?
Resident Evil Extinction blu has "Bonus View" icon on virtually entire movie, could find no way to get it off the screen through menu settings, perhaps I missed something but has any one else seen this?
1.3 firmware is installed.

This thread's a goner, ya'll. The OP has been MIA for a month, can we let it fall to the wayside? Pretty please. :D This one is still active and relatively current: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1007434

Tinga233, Sunshine Blu-ray has a similar problem in that "Bonus View" also appears when playing the movie back. The workaround is to disable screen messages in the 5000 settings menu under display.

As the OP of the original thread hasn't been active for a bit, I'll close this. Vinnie, you may want to copy the discs in the first post of this thread to the first post in the new one if you haven't already.

Doc