I was wondering if anybody picked it up and watched already. Since The Kingdom and Pan's Labyrinth are on the shelves already, this one should have made it to somebody's home by now, too.

I haven't got it yet, but I plan on getting it ASAP. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I am really look forward to it.

I have not watched the movie either but really looking forward to it. Will buy no matter what but would love to hear the hd PQ and AQ are a success.

One of the best movies of the year hands down and biggest sleeper film in a while. I don't have it yet cause the Best Buys near me suck at breaking release dates lol.

I saw this movie recently... but there were no sub. Does anyone know if it is supposed to be subbed when they speak Russian?

On another note, the one fight scene should be... interesting in HD. Don't want to spoil anything.

Picked up The Kingdom and looked for Eastern Promises with no luck.

I'm definately getting this along with The Kingdom and Cat People. I have both formats but have been buying more HD DVD's than BLU RAY discs latelty. HD DVD has been pretty awewsome for a dead format! LOL

Couldn't find EP at the stores I checked. BB said is was due in tomorrow. Pretty much everyone had The Kingdom.

I saw this movie recently... but there were no sub. Does anyone know if it is supposed to be subbed when they speak Russian?

On another note, the one fight scene should be... interesting in HD. Don't want to spoil anything.

Its on and off. Its certainly director's intent since you're coming into the culture as an outsider. When a character speaks directly to Naomi Watts or its a major plot point, its subtitled. Typically when they're talking to themselves while she's watching, its not subtitled. May I add, this is THE movie of the year for myself. I think its possibly the finest work Cronenberg has done over his career.

Found this at Fry's today for $28.99 (Fry's in FV, California).

Will watch it tonight.

I really liked this movie, however i thought History of Violence had a stronger ending.

I really liked this movie, however i thought History of Violence had a stronger ending.

Not to stray too off-topic, but man was History of Violence a top to bottom disappointment.

Unfortunately I couldn't find Eastern Promises here in MTL tonight... BB, Futureshop and HMV, all had it in SD DVD, but the HD DVD was nowhere to be seen !:( ... I'll have to try again next week, or I'll get it from amazon... But I was able to pick The Kingdom though...

Easter Promises, HD-DVD, is already on "long wait" on my Netflix queue. I think they released it few days before the scheduled date.

Not to stray too off-topic, but man was History of Violence a top to bottom disappointment.

agreed i did not at all see why it received so much praise. The only one who I thought was very good was William Hurt. I must of missed something because i didnt see why people were saying it was one of the best movies of the year.

As for Eastern Promises i am waiting on amazon. I picked up in stores already heartbreak kid and the kingdom ( my favorite film of 07)

Easter Promises, HD-DVD, is already on "long wait" on my Netflix queue. I think they released it few days before the scheduled date.

Mine should be here tomorrow from Netflix. It's the first time I recall them ever sending a movie before it's release date.

Just finished watching this.

Film: 5/5
PQ: 4.5/5
AQ (TrueHD): 4/5

Haven't checked the extras yet.

Amazon just delayed the movie to January 2nd :mad:

Mine should be here tomorrow from Netflix. It's the first time I recall them ever sending a movie before it's release date.

Mine arrives Sat. as well but the format says "DVD" not "HD DVD." :(

Eastern Promises was one of my favorites this year, along with No Country for Old Men and The Orphanage.

Can someone confirm that this is NOT just a total ripoff of Goodfellas/Godfather but with Russian people and other nationalities playing the cliched' "mafia" roles? I have heard this from several sources and I think I'll rent it first.

Yes it is not a total ripoff, not even close.

Please flush your "sources" down your nearest toilet.

Yes it is not a total ripoff, not even close.

Please flush your "sources" down your nearest toilet.

+1

I personally think it's ridiculous that when a movie like Eastern Promises uses a foreign language, all of the dialogue is not subtitled.

I haven't seen this particular movie, yet, but other's like The Saint or Airforce One have interesting Russian dialogue which isn't subtitled. Fortunately I'm fluent, so it's not a problem for me or my family in these cases. Other times I need it since the actor is butchering it so badly (Sean Connery in Hunt for Red October).

I think people who don't speak are being cheated with lazy/incomplete subtitles.

I don't speak Spanish and I was a little ticked watching Transformers, with the Puerto Rican soldier going off in Spanish in the beginning. I understand the fact that other characters didn't understand the dialogue... but I'm paying money for this and I want to know what he's exactly saying... I don't want to be digging around the 'Net to find out.

Can someone confirm that this is NOT just a total ripoff of Goodfellas/Godfather but with Russian people and other nationalities playing the cliched' "mafia" roles? I have heard this from several sources and I think I'll rent it first.

One of the problems with blog's and the internet in general is anyone and their mother can review film. People compare the film to something like The Godfather as it's also a mafia film. IMO it would be like comparing Aliens to Star Wars because they both take place in space. :D

I personally think it's ridiculous that when a movie like Eastern Promises uses a foreign language, all of the dialogue is not subtitled.

I haven't seen this particular movie, yet, but other's like The Saint or Airforce One have interesting Russian dialogue which isn't subtitled. Fortunately I'm fluent, so it's not a problem for me or my family in these cases. Other times I need it since the actor is butchering it so badly (Sean Connery in Hunt for Red October).

I think people who don't speak are being cheated with lazy/incomplete subtitles.

I don't speak Spanish and I was a little ticked watching Transformers, with the Puerto Rican soldier going off in Spanish in the beginning. I understand the fact that other characters didn't understand the dialogue... but I'm paying money for this and I want to know what he's exactly saying... I don't want to be digging around the 'Net to find out.

I think when the director leaves out subtitles in some short scenes, it is intentional to create a certain atmosphere, mood in the whole movie. I think it works well for such films when it's done right (of course, such phrases must be spoken by native carriers of the language or at the very least by very well trained actors - like, if I am not mistaken, is the case with some Russians in Eastern Promises: they use both Russians and non-Russians with almost no accent.

saw it on sd-dvd early and it was great ill be getting this and kingdom on the b2g1 for best buy.

I personally think it's ridiculous that when a movie like Eastern Promises uses a foreign language, all of the dialogue is not subtitled.

I haven't seen this particular movie, yet, but other's like The Saint or Airforce One have interesting Russian dialogue which isn't subtitled. Fortunately I'm fluent, so it's not a problem for me or my family in these cases. Other times I need it since the actor is butchering it so badly (Sean Connery in Hunt for Red October).

I think people who don't speak are being cheated with lazy/incomplete subtitles.

I don't speak Spanish and I was a little ticked watching Transformers, with the Puerto Rican soldier going off in Spanish in the beginning. I understand the fact that other characters didn't understand the dialogue... but I'm paying money for this and I want to know what he's exactly saying... I don't want to be digging around the 'Net to find out.

When used in proper context, it makes perfect sense. If within the film itself the character is unable to understand the conversation, then the audience in turn can relate to the characters position better by also being in the dark as to what was said. I don't mind it at all. If you're in another country, you don't get magic subtitles when asking for directions if you don't speak the language. People have come to expect this in movies however, and I'm not sure why.

I personally think it's ridiculous that when a movie like Eastern Promises uses a foreign language, all of the dialogue is not subtitled.

I haven't seen this particular movie, yet, but other's like The Saint or Airforce One have interesting Russian dialogue which isn't subtitled. Fortunately I'm fluent, so it's not a problem for me or my family in these cases. Other times I need it since the actor is butchering it so badly (Sean Connery in Hunt for Red October).

I think people who don't speak are being cheated with lazy/incomplete subtitles.

I don't speak Spanish and I was a little ticked watching Transformers, with the Puerto Rican soldier going off in Spanish in the beginning. I understand the fact that other characters didn't understand the dialogue... but I'm paying money for this and I want to know what he's exactly saying... I don't want to be digging around the 'Net to find out.

I can't believe this, but you're going to make me defend Transformers. The entire point of that scene in Transformers was to show the English speaking soldiers disdain toward the sole Spanish speaking soldier. If in the context of that particular scene, five of them don't know the hell what he's saying to them, why should those of us in the audience get preferential treatment and receive the answer? The scene would be worthless if the Spanish speaker is subtitled for the entire world to see and then you have on screen characters acting as if they don't have a clue as to what was been said.

You're priorities are way out of whack if that ticked you off. Then again, maybe it's a good thing, because if you're really going to search the net for answers, maybe you'll learn some Spanish in the process.

And in the case of Eastern Promises, the multiple instances where Russian dialogue is not subtitled works even better because you have to consider how the storytelling is unfolding on screen. You have a English nurse that has a slight knowledge of Russian because of her upbringing, but not a perfect understanding been thrust into a world that she unfamiliar with. In almost all of those instances, she's the only proper English speaker in the room. When two full on Russians are conversing, is she supposed to immediately know everything thing? She picks up little bits and pieces. Since that's the case why should we get a full rundown of the dialogue? I would feel cheated if I, the audience member was privy to every word of their conversation and you're main character is looking dumbfounded on camera. If you consider her the protagonist, the closest character that we the audience can relate to she'll catch some of the things they are referring to and subtitles will fill in the rest of the puzzle when necessary.

[QUOTE=JaylisJayP;12559525]Not to stray too off-topic, but man was History of Violence a top to bottom disappointment.

That's what I thought. The story was pointless. Not to mention it was boring from top to bottom too.

as far as transformers goes, no subs with him whining about food was inconsequential to the film.
in eastern promises, it adds to it...its kind of like the whole walking into a room that immediately hushes up when you enter, you know something was going on, but it wasn't meant for you to know..
it gives you that little bit of exclusion, kind of like how she's supposed to feel...

still not available at any shops nearby me
:mad:

My local rental store had the SD version, but not the HD version. So, I can't comment yet on the PQ and SQ of the HD version of Eastern Promises, but as far as the movie goes, it wasn't for me. I loved History of Violence, but I found this movie to be VERY slow and it didn't make you think much. I'm ok with a Slow moving film if it keeps you thinking and guessing, but this one didn't IMO. I read it the entire way through. My buddy said the movie was incredible, so I had high hopes, but it let me down.

I found brand new rental one at Hollywood Video, Seattle, WA when I was returning other rented BR DVD.

I rented this one and The Kingdom. Watched both of them last night.
Very good movie although, PQ is not outstanding but good!

Finally, I found HD and BR DVD rental shop near my place.
I was keep buying and accumulated to 171 (both BR and HD combine) but now I can slow down to exactly what I want to keep for long time.

Going to get this one tomorrow along with The Kingdom with Best Buy's B2G1 deal that starts tomorrow on HD-DVDs.

I can't believe this, but you're going to make me defend Transformers. The entire point of that scene in Transformers was to show the English speaking soldiers disdain toward the sole Spanish speaking soldier. If in the context of that particular scene, five of them don't know the hell what he's saying to them, why should those of us in the audience get preferential treatment and receive the answer? The scene would be worthless if the Spanish speaker is subtitled for the entire world to see and then you have on screen characters acting as if they don't have a clue as to what was been said.

You're priorities are way out of whack if that ticked you off. Then again, maybe it's a good thing, because if you're really going to search the net for answers, maybe you'll learn some Spanish in the process.

And in the case of Eastern Promises, the multiple instances where Russian dialogue is not subtitled works even better because you have to consider how the storytelling is unfolding on screen. You have a English nurse that has a slight knowledge of Russian because of her upbringing, but not a perfect understanding been thrust into a world that she unfamiliar with. In almost all of those instances, she's the only proper English speaker in the room. When two full on Russians are conversing, is she supposed to immediately know everything thing? She picks up little bits and pieces. Since that's the case why should we get a full rundown of the dialogue? I would feel cheated if I, the audience member was privy to every word of their conversation and you're main character is looking dumbfounded on camera. If you consider her the protagonist, the closest character that we the audience can relate to she'll catch some of the things they are referring to and subtitles will fill in the rest of the puzzle when necessary.

I practice voodoo and forced you to defend Transformers. :D

I understood the whole point of the scene. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. When I clicked the subtitles on, that's when I would of liked to see to the English translation.

I agree with your point seeing the movie the first time in either a theater or at home, but as we have director commentary it would be nice for subtitles to be complete and accurate, if you choose to view them when watching.

Another note I took Spanish in HS, but I can't catch the superfast spoken slang.

Btw. I haven't seen Eastern Promises, I've heard good things about it, a perfect excuse to pick it up.

Mine arrives Sat. as well but the format says "DVD" not "HD DVD." :(

Mine came today as expected and it's the combo disc.

Rented Eastern Promises (on standard DVD) and watched it at a friends house on a plasma set. Great movie. I'd be surprised if Viggo Mortensen isn't nominated for an Academy award. It also looked and sounded really good. Top notch transfer. The HD version should be stellar.

-Mike

I just finished watching Eastern Promises and the pq is absoutely stunning. This is one of the best HD DVD transfers i have ever seen. Without a doubt pure reference all the way. Ablsotluty stunning detail without any hint of video like quality. Truly a sight to behold, you will not be disappointed.

I picked up Eastern Promises and The Kingdom at CC today (Saturday). They didn't have them on the shelf but an inquiry to a sales clerk brought them out of the back and into my hands! :) I haven't watched EP yet (saving it for Christmas day) but I did watch The Kingdom. Fantastic movie!!! I give it two big thumbs WAY up!!

Mark

I just finished watching Eastern Promises and the pq is absoutely stunning. This is one of the best HD DVD transfers i have ever seen. Without a doubt pure reference all the way. Ablsotluty stunning detail without any hint of video like quality. Truly a sight to behold, you will not be disappointed.


Ohh, glad to hear. Can't wait till tommorow's B2G1 at BB

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Kingdom
E. Promises.

Ohh, glad to hear. Can't wait till tommorow's B2G1 at BB

Pan's L
Kingdom
E. Promises.

I think thats the trio everyone is going for. Hopefully they've got enough to supply.

I picked up Eastern Promises and The Kingdom at CC today (Saturday). They didn't have them on the shelf but an inquiry to a sales clerk brought them out of the back and into my hands! :) I haven't watched EP yet (saving it for Christmas day) but I did watch The Kingdom. Fantastic movie!!! I give it two big thumbs WAY up!!

Mark

Strange choice for Christmas day viewing. I guess there's nothing like Christmas Wished and Eastern Promises.

I saw this in the theater and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Haven't watched the HD DVD completely, but in skipping chapters just to get a feel for PQ, I am very pleased. It actually looks better than it did in the theater I saw it in.

WOW, X-mas came early!!!! Bought Eastern Promises today and Bladerunner came in the mail yesterday from Amazon.

Eastern Promises, when I saw this in the theater was great. I love anything that has to do with Eastern Europe. Even though many of the main actors ARE NOT Russian , they worked hard in keeping the Slovak accent. I am watching the movie as I write this. What I have seen so far is just simply another reason to buy HD DVD, the PQ is stunning, the colors are bright and the transfer is perfect. The AQ, I can't comment, I have to wait till I buy the Yammy 3800.:D

Blade Runner: Loved this movie and once again the transfer is great. THe PQ is amazing as many other members have commented there are so many other details, it really brings a whole new appreciation to the film. I have not seen the other versions yet , but will have a marathon session tonight.

I got eastern promises as HD-DVD from Netflix on Sat.

I would definately rate this at about 4.5 stars out of 5 for video quality. Excellent detail and color. I would use it as a reference for a drama HD-DVD. The bonus features were neat as well.

Oh...and the movie itself is pretty good too;). Some intense scenes, great accents and (what I consider) beautiful scenery. Cronenberg did a good job on this one, although I think it seems a little "attached at the hip" to "A History of Violence."

Not to stray too off-topic, but man was History of Violence a top to bottom disappointment.

Agreed. It had a lot of buzz and potential (the GN its based off of is slightly better, too) but it was a let down for me.

My local indie theatre had EP for awhile but I missed it... but based off of my distaste for HOV Im skeptical to blind buy...

... anyone out there who disliked HOV and thought EP was any good?

Agreed. It had a lot of buzz and potential (the GN its based off of is slightly better, too) but it was a let down for me.

My local indie theatre had EP for awhile but I missed it... but based off of my distaste for HOV Im skeptical to blind buy...

... anyone out there who disliked HOV and thought EP was any good?

ill chime in. i'd rate this movie in my top ten of 2007 and HOV in my bottom 10 of all time.

ill chime in. i'd rate this movie in my top ten of 2007 and HOV in my bottom 10 of all time.

Good to hear. I think one of the cats that reviewed EP at filmthreat stated they were letdown by HOV but liked EP...

...maybe I will try to pick it up with the B2G1 deal.

Got it from BB yesterday along with Pan's and Kingdom. Picture quality on EP is great. One of the best transfers I have seen. Definitely close to a 5 out of 5. Very clear and sharp with deep, rich colors that immerse you in the movie in that 3D effect HD can have sometimes. The audio sounded very good to me also but since I don't have a home theater set up I don't know how it would sound through a top of the line system...but coming from the speakers on my tv it sounded great.

As far as the subtitles go...........I didn't really notice anything significant not being translated. Maybe a random word here or there got skipped, but nothing that made me feel like I didn't know what was being said going on in the plot.

I watched this last night as I got it on the b2g1 free sale. The movie was quite incomplete. The surprise in the film left the door open and it never was closed. Beyond that, I enjoyed this a bunch. The PQ is stunning, true reference or close. I can't judge the AQ because it was late last night when I watched it so I didn't want to wake up the wife.

I noticed on my copy the vertical alignment is off. I get a bar at the bottom (around a quarter of an inch or so) and not at the top. Luckily I can adjust the vertical on my set to center the movie properly. Anyone else (I guess a T.V. with no over scan) run into this?

Did anyone else have to turn up the volume on your set quite a bit higher to hear the audio of the movie itself? From the main menu to the movie it seems like the audio dips down so you have to compensate by turning up your set a bit higher. I really liked the movie but it did have a wide open ending.

I don't think the movie ever ended. I was like... that's it??

i got eastern promises today but want to know if theres a way to watch the movie with the nuts scene censored or something. i hear that lasts like a minute and is not something i wanna see.

LOL. to me, some of the kills were far more unsettling than the nudity.

Man was this movie great....a little shorter than I was expecting, but good nonetheless. I blind-bought it at the Best Buy b2g1 sale....I also got Stardust and Anchorman, but I noticed when I got home they overcharged me $5 for Stardust, I am definitely going to wait until after Christmas to take it back, and I might even exchange Stardust in for Pan's Labyrinth which is an awesome movie..

The video quality is 5/5. All the close ups looked amazing. This will be a reference for me along with King Kong.
Audio is 4/5. 90% upfront, with almost no LFE. Some of the dialogue was a tad soft but I didnt need to adjust the volume.

As for the ending. The film's intent is to tell a certain story, or a chapter in these people's lives. When the chapter is over so is the film. IMO there would need to be a part II which could pick up where the ending left off.

Overall great movie.

i got eastern promises today but want to know if theres a way to watch the movie with the nuts scene censored or something. i hear that lasts like a minute and is not something i wanna see.

You'd really have to focus on his junk to see anything during the fight scenes. Every thing movies fast.

It's not like he's standing still for a static shot showing it off.

i got eastern promises today but want to know if theres a way to watch the movie with the nuts scene censored or something. i hear that lasts like a minute and is not something i wanna see.

You're either extremely insecure with yourself or terrified of the male anatomy. Either way, would you actually think the studio would make a "nutless" edition or an optional mosaic? Are you unable to look at Michelangelo's "David" because his little friend isn't hidden by a fig leaf?

Just watch the movie and focus above the waist.

I saw this film last night with 3 other people. We all thought it was good int he beginning, but fell off drastically. Could've did without the naked Vigo scenes. No I'm not insecure with myself. There were 3 women with me that thought the same. How would you like to be the actor with Vigo laying on top of you naked? No thanks! This is just my opinion. Others liked it.

I personally think it's ridiculous that when a movie like Eastern Promises uses a foreign language, all of the dialogue is not subtitled.

I haven't seen this particular movie, yet, but other's like The Saint or Airforce One have interesting Russian dialogue which isn't subtitled. Fortunately I'm fluent, so it's not a problem for me or my family in these cases. Other times I need it since the actor is butchering it so badly (Sean Connery in Hunt for Red October).

I think people who don't speak are being cheated with lazy/incomplete subtitles.

I don't speak Spanish and I was a little ticked watching Transformers, with the Puerto Rican soldier going off in Spanish in the beginning. I understand the fact that other characters didn't understand the dialogue... but I'm paying money for this and I want to know what he's exactly saying... I don't want to be digging around the 'Net to find out.

Awwww.......

i got eastern promises today but want to know if theres a way to watch the movie with the nuts scene censored or something. i hear that lasts like a minute and is not something i wanna see.

Called eyelids...

You'll get over the "nuts scene" lmao:D The movie itself is pretty darned good though.

You're either extremely insecure with yourself or terrified of the male anatomy. Either way, would you actually think the studio would make a "nutless" edition or an optional mosaic? Are you unable to look at Michelangelo's "David" because his little friend isn't hidden by a fig leaf?

Just watch the movie and focus above the waist.

haha, i actually saw the David in Florence last summer.

and yes it was sort of a joke post, i'm not insecure about it; however, i am insecure about watching the film with family and was wondering if theres a censored version.

oh well, thanks for the replies.

haha, i actually saw the David in Florence last summer.

and yes it was sort of a joke post, i'm not insecure about it; however, i am insecure about watching the film with family and was wondering if theres a censored version.

oh well, thanks for the replies.

Just giving you a heads up, this movie is FILLED with unblinking throat slits and the such. Its one I'd recommend holding off till after bedtime.

This movie was a blind buy for me...
Amazing PQ, 5/5 for me. The TrueHD track was great as well!:)

This was a rental for me because I'd never even heard of this film until release week and couldn't bring myself to blind buy it. It started well story-wise, but did fall off towards the end. I'd recommend it though, and I will pick it up on ebay to add to the collection.

I preferred History of Violence. But that may be due to seeing King Aragon's dong flapping around in HD.

Watched this last night. Talk about a good flick. Very good acting. I think Viggo will be in contention for an Oscar. His accent was good.

Talk about some gross scenes. Bloody.

Wow what an excellent movie...I had know idea this movie would be so good. I give this flick a 10 across the board. A must buy IMO! ;):D

Funny, you're making such a fuss about Viggo's nuts, but have no problem letting your family watch people get their sloats slit (in great detail!)?

:eek:

however, i am insecure about watching the film with family

Oh BS, the violence is FAKE, the ballsack is REAL... unless you are telling us a stunt sack was used... what is more likely, that your kids will mimic the violence in films, or the sex?

And are you taking a shot at someone's nationality there? Because that's got to stop, toot sweet...

MEC2

so the Viggo nudity was sexual in what way exactly ?

It was an aweful scene. It in no way helped the plot or scene. Did it need to be that long as well? I had two friends over and one had his girlfriend with him. We were all more than unpleasantly suprised.

As for the rest of the movie, I loved it, and so did my guests!

Cronenberg showed more balls that Mortensen by including that scene. He was deliberately provoking the double standard of uptight Americans. We are so used to seeing nude women and graphic violence in movies that we don't even comment on it. Yet male genitals are such a taboo that even when the scene is depicted in a realistic way -- the man was assaulted in a bathhouse -- everyone sudenly gets uncomfortable and some sort of line has been crossed.

I am hopelessly hetero myself, but I have to laugh at those who squirm at this one scene in a movie that sets out to tweak so many taboos. My wife's reaction? "It's about time Hollywood acknowleged that men have stuff under their clothes, too."

P.S., I watched an SD rental from Netflix and liked it so much I ordered the HD DVD.

If you like that fine, but don't assume there is something wrong with me, my guests(male and female) or others who do not find it enjoyable ;) I know, how strange I like seeing women naked and not men.
To each their own.

It was an aweful scene. It in no way helped the plot or scene. Did it need to be that long as well? I had two friends over and one had his girlfriend with him. We were all more than unpleasantly suprised.

I wonder if all of you would have the same reaction if it were female nudity.

I wonder if all of you would have the same reaction if it were female nudity.

Exactly. There was nothing wrong with that scene, really. He was naked, so what ? The scene was too violent to be "disturbed" by the nudity anyway. One thing I liked was the fact that there was no music in the fight sequence, and the absence of music adds more realism than the absence of clothes.

The thing that was amusing about the bath house scene is when the camera pulls into the bathhouse Vigo sits down wearing a towel around his waist, he tucks the towel between his legs so we don't "see" anything, then the fight starts and...

So most American males really are homophobes and afraid of the very thing that dangles between their own legs. God help any of you that ever have children with awkward questions. Get over yourself.

It was an aweful scene. It in no way helped the plot or scene. Did it need to be that long as well? I had two friends over and one had his girlfriend with him. We were all more than unpleasantly suprised.

As for the rest of the movie, I loved it, and so did my guests!

What PRUDES!!!

The nudity was one of the best parts of the movie. Also, it was Viggo's idea to do the scene nude. He felt leaping around and fighting with a little towel on that never falls off was just unnatural. He was right.

So most American males really are homophobes and afraid of the very thing that dangles between their own legs. God help any of you that ever have children with awkward questions. Get over yourself.

AMEN...sooo sad but apparently true enough. :(

Maybe you guys can also describe in detail all the rest of the scenes in the movie so none of us even need to watch it. :rolleyes:

I want to rent this on Netflix, but of course, "very long wait." Ugh. I have no problems with nudity at all, male or female. I also find it disturbing that people make such a big deal about it, then merrily watch the most vile, violent movies without complaining at all. People, nuts won't hurt you! :)

I finally got around to seeing this. I didn't find the gore to be disturbing whatsoever.

The fight scene is pretty intense. There are so many moments in that scene where the tides could have drastically changed, and everything was resting on the outcome of that fight.

Overall, this is a very fine movie that looks great on HD DVD.

"That's A Lot Of Nuts!!"

So most American males really are homophobes and afraid of the very thing that dangles between their own legs. God help any of you that ever have children with awkward questions. Get over yourself.


Believe me I am by no means a prude. Quite the opposite(public affection of any level is quite fine with me and I've been on some locomotives before)...since when did not wanting to look at another guy's package mean you were a homophobe?
Get over yourself and stop judging people you don't even know ;)

Is there an IME commentary during the nude fight scene :D ?

Oh BS, the violence is FAKE, the ballsack is REAL... unless you are telling us a stunt sack was used... what is more likely, that your kids will mimic the violence in films, or the sex?

The violence. Of course.

Personally, I could have done without seeing Viggo's junk....but at least it was not like the BORAT nude wrestling scene..I almost puked on that one...at least this was tastefully done and a natural part of the scene. BTW: I loved Borat..but that scene, blahhhhhhhh on my shoes.

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As for the PQ, sorry guys its nowhere near the overall PQ sharpness of Hot Fuzz but having said that this is another solid effort from Universal :eek: A solid TIER 1 title.

As for the movie, one of the best I have seen for this genre.

Is there an IME commentary during the nude fight scene :D ?There is a nice informative internet enabled content download of an extra that goes a little bit into the issues of the bathouse fight scene.

There was what i would call a female rape scene in the movie that i didn't find comfortable watching in any way.That scene compared to Vigo walking around with "his boy" out, imo was worse to see.Funnier thing is, i've never heard one male friend complain about seeing a porn star's nuts flailing about during intercourse in a porno.In the US violence in movies(rated PG-R) doesn't bat an eyelash but nudity/sex sure the hell does.It's starting to change because the violence is numbing our young people to the effects and repercussions of the violence.Alot of them simply don't think acts of violence have any consequences beyond the person/people who get hurt or killed because of it(i.e. if someone's is killed during a drive by,noone thinks about the mother/father/sister/brother/wife/child whose going to be directly effected by the act of violence).Same rational as "If a tree falls in the woods and there's noone around, does it rally make a noise?".

There was what i would call a female rape scene in the movie that i didn't find comfortable watching in any way.That scene compared to Vigo walking around with "his boy" out, imo was worse to see.

I don't know what you all complaining about the fight scene and rape scene

those scese make the movies more real. it captures the Eastern European underground world in west Europe.

that what the movie is about.

excellent movie I would say.

This is seriously a great pickup for any HD DVD owner.

Great PQ, awesome movie, amazing atmosphere and acting.

Believe me I am by no means a prude. Quite the opposite(public affection of any level is quite fine with me and I've been on some locomotives before)...since when did not wanting to look at another guy's package mean you were a homophobe?
Get over yourself and stop judging people you don't even know ;)

When its portrayed in a non-sexual manner and fits the scene and you still have a problem with it...if its not homophobia its at least sexist and ignorant.

I mean, when you urinate do you close your eyes as to not offend yourself?

And, as others have pointed out, why is tits and ass of the female variety ok (nt to mention intense violence), but junk, and in this case junk used in a realistic and non-sexual manner, not? You saw some nuts, get over it. As my wife and every female I have ever known have had to get over tits and ass of the female variety in thousands of films that don't feature realistic scenes or male counterparts to balance it out.

Nuts don't kill people, the knives they stab people with do...

Nuts don't kill people, the knives they stab people with do...

lol, the first thing I thought of on this quote was the line from "Shoot-em-up"

"Guns don't kill people....but they sure do help!"

Finally saw this the other night, good movie that needed another 10 minutes or so... not sure if they ran our of film, money, or both, but it careened to a halt like an emergency brake. As to the bath scene, definitely distracting to have Viggo's package wobbling about, not sure there wasn't a way to do it that didn't make the fact he was naked the focus of the scene, which it certainly was.

And I'll take the fact that everyone has sex, but almost nobody slashes throats, as a refutation of that we tend to mimic violence over sex...

MEC2

Finally saw this the other night, good movie that needed another 10 minutes or so... not sure if they ran our of film, money, or both, but it careened to a halt like an emergency brake. As to the bath scene, definitely distracting to have Viggo's package wobbling about, not sure there wasn't a way to do it that didn't make the fact he was naked the focus of the scene, which it certainly was.

And I'll take the fact that everyone has sex, but almost nobody slashes throats, as a refutation of that we tend to mimic violence over sex...

MEC2

I felt the same way about the ending... although, I guess it was a credit to the movie that I actually didn't want it to end and mainly thought "ok... what now?"

I disagree about the bathhouse scene. I don't think the fact that Viggo was naked was the focus of the scene at all. It may be a byproduct of that choice, but I think the hope was probably that it would just be more realistic and maybe it would be more distracting for the viewer to think "Is that towel GLUED on?" Everyone who has asked if people would be so up in arms had it been a female bath house scene are correct - nobody would be complaining and that chapter would be bookmarked. This is only an issue because it is so rarely done. For some reason, male nudity has been deemed taboo in U.S. film. I watched every episode of Oz, though, so I guess I'm used to it. :)

I think the movie ended a bit too abruptly, kind of ruined it for me to be honest. Good PQ though.

Bought the movie on Sunday-- this is one of my favorite movies for 2007. This was a blind buy for me and went with the reviews on AVS for this. Initially, I was planning on getting Pan's, Kingdom and EP but my local BB were sold out of EP and King, so I couldn't get the BOGO.

Anyway, I agree with BrandonJF-- "This is only an issue because it is so rarely done. For some reason, male nudity has been deemed taboo in U.S. film." It wasn't an issue for me but my wife had a big smile during that scene. LOL.

I think the movie ended a bit too abruptly, kind of ruined it for me to be honest. Good PQ though.

Agreed..... 3*/5*. But did have good PQ.

"This is only an issue because it is so rarely done. For some reason, male nudity has been deemed taboo in U.S. film."
I'm no prude and don't object to this. But I don't think it's a simple men vs. women thing. Men are more, ahem, "external" shall we say. With women, it's all more hidden, in mainstream films anyway.

I'm no prude and don't object to this. But I don't think it's a simple men vs. women thing. Men are more, ahem, "external" shall we say. With women, it's all more hidden, in mainstream films anyway.

Breasts are less "external?" :confused: :p ;)

Breast vs. genitalia usually = R vs. NC17 (or X) for a reason. Breasts are a different level of exposure. Geez... OT enough?

Breast vs. genitalia usually = R vs. NC17 (or X)

Tell that to Harvey Keitel. :D

Breast vs. genitalia usually = R vs. NC17 (or X) for a reason. Breasts are a different level of exposure. Geez... OT enough?

No, In America breast are accepted as less offensive, everywhere else they are just as external as penis and wouldn't warrant a different rating.

I personally loved the bath fight scene, and thought the scene wouldn't have been as good without 'lil Viggo waggling about. In all honesty, it made the fact that he killed those two guys even more impressive. This is a guy who is COMPLETELY NAKED, he is utterly defenseless, and yet he kills two trained, armed thugs who have the jump on him.

It just shows how intense his character is.

I personally loved the bath fight scene, and thought the scene wouldn't have been as good without 'lil Viggo waggling about. In all honesty, it made the fact that he killed those two guys even more impressive. This is a guy who is COMPLETELY NAKED, he is utterly defenseless, and yet he kills two trained, armed thugs who have the jump on him.

It just shows how intense his character is.




How about that last kill, when he's crawling on top of that guy. I was like...... :eek:....:D




Edit: added spoiler warning.

How about that last kill, when he's crawling on top of that guy. I was like...... :eek:....:D
All right, you guys... a littel SPOILER ALERT for those of us who haven't seen it? I mean, does it take away from the tension to know that he prevails?

Great acting, especially on Viggo's part. Watch some extras to find out the amount of work he puts into researching his part. What he discovered lead to the increased use of tattoos, etc. His portrayal is very believable.

Being of Italian decent, I favor Italian mob movies, but this was a very good movie that reveals the Russian mob in GB. PQ was excellent too. It was definitely worth a rental and I might even pick it up down the road on sale at some point.

When its portrayed in a non-sexual manner and fits the scene and you still have a problem with it...if its not homophobia its at least sexist and ignorant.

I mean, when you urinate do you close your eyes as to not offend yourself?

And, as others have pointed out, why is tits and ass of the female variety ok (nt to mention intense violence), but junk, and in this case junk used in a realistic and non-sexual manner, not? You saw some nuts, get over it. As my wife and every female I have ever known have had to get over tits and ass of the female variety in thousands of films that don't feature realistic scenes or male counterparts to balance it out.

Nuts don't kill people, the knives they stab people with do...


Sexist, sure, guilty as charged. Ignorant, sounds like a personal attack to me....internet muscles from a soap box king. Ever heard the one about 'throwing stones' ;)
I don't have a "problem" with it, my god, READ -- "I just don't like it". And somehow that makes me strange, homophobic, or an ignorant jerk, ROFLMAO.

Are you even serious with the urination question or are you just being immature?

You liked that scene, good for you, I'll stick with the naked women though....fair enough? Why are you so eager to 'balance' it out as you say?
I am not saying it is too much for cinema, you should learn to read. I am simply saying it is not for me....don't agree fine, but please don't tell me how to think you obnoxious little man.

And incase you didn't actually read anything before rushing to post I have stated I loved the movie.

It's a strange world we live in. Viggo shows his genitals to the public and gets critical praise and a paycheck--I do the same thing and get a restraining order.

Sexist, sure, guilty as charged. Ignorant, sounds like a personal attack to me....internet muscles from a soap box king. Ever heard the one about 'throwing stones' ;)
I don't have a "problem" with it, my god, READ -- "I just don't like it". And somehow that makes me strange, homophobic, or an ignorant jerk, ROFLMAO.

Are you even serious with the urination question or are you just being immature?

You liked that scene, good for you, I'll stick with the naked women though....fair enough? Why are you so eager to 'balance' it out as you say?
I am not saying it is too much for cinema, you should learn to read. I am simply saying it is not for me....don't agree fine, but please don't tell me how to think you obnoxious little man.

And incase you didn't actually read anything before rushing to post I have stated I loved the movie.

I never said I liked it. And yes, according to you, looking at male junk, even within the context of it being non-sexual is apparently too much for you to handle. Based on that information I would assume that looking at your own penis makes you uncomfortable. If not, then why would looking at another male penis freak you out. I would think after owning one your whole life you would be ok with seeing a penis.

Of course, boobs are ok because you are a man and men like boobs. We wouldn't want anyone to confuse your sexual orientation if you could handle a male nude scene.

And its not cool to admit you're sexist. It somewhat negates anything of value you may have to say on the topic because it proves my point.

And it is ignorant to admit your sexist. The implication is that nudity can only be sexual and looking at the same sex organs implies homosexuality. Its an ignorant thought process that is sexist, which you admit you are.

You're just a jerk, huh? All for what?? Because I don't like seeing other guys junk when there is no woman to balance it.....unbelievable.

Once again, I plead with you to read more than what you want to read and see where I said that I am no prude, I love violence, I love vulgarity and have personally been involved in some rather fun "encounters" so I am not even sexually uptight.

Come down of your little soap box and go back and re-read before posting your holier than thou, judgemental cries.

Thanks for the laughs.
...nice location in your sig. line, lol.

In a word (or two) brilliant filmmaking!:)

Just rented "Eastern Promises" tonight as I refused to pay Future Shop $39.99 for the Combo disc, especially when it would have been a blind buy. I did love the film though, only wish the disc was a tad cheaper to own.:)

-Murray

"If you see a man running with his **** flapping, run with that man because there is trouble coming the other way." -Dave Attell

I find that scene to be amazing. It made me feel completely vulnerable and made the victory so much better.

Great movie.

the ending of the movie is well done in my opinion. its not meant to be finalized in a way where everything is pointed out to you. its meant to make you think. who really is nicolai and what are his true motives?

the picture quality of this movie is outstanding. i don't think the screen cap earlier in the thread isn't really a good choice to demonstrate the pq. id use the scene with the soccer fans walking through the streets or the shore when the police discover the body.

Just Watched The Movie And I Thought It Was Ok, However The Pq Was Fantastic, Im New At This So Can Someone Tell Me Why There Were No Black Bars On This Hd Dvd?

Just Watched The Movie And I Thought It Was Ok, However The Pq Was Fantastic, Im New At This So Can Someone Tell Me Why There Were No Black Bars On This Hd Dvd?

The aspect ratio of the movie is 1.85:1, which means it will fill the entirety of your screen (Assuming you have a widescreen tv). It's more common these days for movies to be presented in a 2.35:1 or higher ratio, which is why you still see black bars on your widescreen tv while watching many movies.

Easter Promises, HD-DVD, is already on "long wait" on my Netflix queue. I think they released it few days before the scheduled date.

It was on long wait on my list as well, but the very next day after I added it, it shipped and I received it yesterday... On the other hand, I've had available slots for a new flick to be sent out on a monday, and it doesn't ship to me, but first thing tuesday reports short wait, then the next day "long wait".

I'm not sure what netflix's reporting means!

I love this OT debate about nuts. Personally I just think male genitalia is ugly. Does it repulse me? No. Do I look away from my own in fear? No. But do I think there is nothing pretty about a big sack of elbow skin carrying some marbles? Yes.

I love this OT debate about nuts. Personally I just think male genitalia is ugly. Does it repulse me? No. Do I look away from my own in fear? No. But do I think there is nothing pretty about a big sack of elbow skin carrying some marbles? Yes.

:D +1!!

Just imagine if women's breasts, beautiful things that they are, instead looked like nuts... small, saggy, hairy, wrinkled... ugh! Poor women... they're supposed to LIKE these things?? I feel sorry for women having to make do with what men have to offer.

:D +1!!

Just imagine if women's breasts, beautiful things that they are, instead looked like nuts... small, saggy, hairy, wrinkled... ugh! Poor women... they're supposed to LIKE these things?? I feel sorry for women having to make do with what men have to offer.

LMAO!!! that's so very true.

Just imagine if women's breasts, beautiful things that they are, instead looked like nuts... small, saggy, hairy, wrinkled... ugh!

Over time some women's breast do look like that! :eek:

WOW just started watching this and had to stop and post. the PQ is amazing on this Disc!!!!! Best HD-DVD. Its so razor sharp. on 92" it looks amazing. 10/10

well finished watching it and I loved the movie. I thought the Picture Quality was amazing though. Every scene wide shots and close ups were razor sharp with tons of detail. Great colors too. Audio was very nice too. Didnt expect much from this type of movie but very well done.

a fantastic blind buy

:D +1!!

Just imagine if women's breasts, beautiful things that they are, instead looked like nuts... small, saggy, hairy, wrinkled... ugh! Poor women... they're supposed to LIKE these things?? I feel sorry for women having to make do with what men have to offer.

That's why it's time to do some manscaping and shave those things lol

Wow, the picture quality is one of the best I've seen over a long time. I didn't expect it with a movie like this. The movie is starting to grow on me as well. I am happy with my purchase. And very much recommended. All things considered I am still enjoying those new releases. Zodiac and The Pianist are next!

I just rented rented this one. It looked great and was a good change of pace from the more mainstream big-budget HD-DVDs I've seen. It was a real cinematic film experience, rather than a fluffy popcorn flick. My local Hollywood Video has a limited selection and I haven't signed up for Netflix yet, so I haven't been able to see a wider selection of HD-DVD titles yet.

An interesting note is that the Cinematographer on this film is Peter Suschitzky who also photographed The Empire Strikes Back as well as many other Cronenberg films.

I have to comment on this! I just finished this flick and not only is this a great flick, the picture quality is near the best of my collection (blu and red).

I am neutral and have bought mostly blu when there is a choice but I must admit that the movies at the top of the pile for pic quality in my collection sure seems to be HD.

Anyway, this was an amazing picture and the best movie of the year so far for me. Focus continues to put out some of the the best films in regards to acting. Very surprised it wasn't nominated for something (must of been the male nudity-right)?

I would imagine the Russian Mafia would work like this. Very cool about the tat's and the stories they tell.

Blind Buy if you can handle excellent acting, a good story, quite a bit of viloence/nudity and amazing picture quality.

-Rick

Can't wait to buy/watch this movie. Since when does anatomy get people so worked up? It's the human body, get over yourselves, they can't bite.

Anyway, this was an amazing picture and the best movie of the year so far for me. Focus continues to put out some of the the best films in regards to acting. Very surprised it wasn't nominated for something (must of been the male nudity-right)?

Viggo was nominated for best actor. He'll probably lose to Daniel Day-Lewis for There Will Be Blood, but at least he got a well-deserved nod.

Have to agree with everyone here - good movie, great performances, fantastic PQ.

A couple of years ago, my wife was in London, and bought me this book, Russian Criminal Tattoo (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Russian-Criminal-Tattoo-Encyclopaedia-Vasiliev/dp/3882439203******pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=gateway&qid=1201441982&sr=8-2), on a whim. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to find out more about this subculture. I think I read this was the book Viggo Mortensen bought that inspired Cronenberg to explore the meaning of the tattoos in the movie.

And I'll take the fact that everyone has sex, but almost nobody slashes throats, as a refutation of that we tend to mimic violence over sex...

Really? You have sex because you see it in movies? I have sex because it's biologically hard-wired into every living thing on the planet as the sole means of reproduction, and thus survival.

To each their own, I guess.

I have to comment on this! I just finished this flick and not only is this a great flick, the picture quality is near the best of my collection (blu and red).

I am neutral and have bought mostly blu when there is a choice but I must admit that the movies at the top of the pile for pic quality in my collection sure seems to be HD.

Anyway, this was an amazing picture and the best movie of the year so far for me. Focus continues to put out some of the the best films in regards to acting. Very surprised it wasn't nominated for something (must of been the male nudity-right)?

I would imagine the Russian Mafia would work like this. Very cool about the tat's and the stories they tell.

Blind Buy if you can handle excellent acting, a good story, quite a bit of viloence/nudity and amazing picture quality.

-Rick

Viggo was nominated for a best actor Oscar.

did anybody else have to turn up the volume an extra 5 to 6 dB, I had to watch at around -10 to fully comprehend everything, while all the other DolbyTrueHD tracks I have listened to are good at around -16/-15

I noticed on my copy the vertical alignment is off. I get a bar at the bottom (around a quarter of an inch or so) and not at the top. Luckily I can adjust the vertical on my set to center the movie properly. Anyone else (I guess a T.V. with no over scan) run into this?

Yes, the image is not centered vertically. I've noticed this issue from time to time on some titles. Not a big deal tho'.

That's why it's time to do some manscaping and shave those things lol

+1;)
Women dig it!:D

Just watched and must add my voice to the chorus -- fantastic movie, stunning PQ. In fact I think it might be the finest PQ I've ever seen on my rig... The light grain, the detail, the perfect colors... it was like watching film.

The comments about the male nudity are just so... predictable. Some people don't like the challenge and mind expansion that great movies can offer.

I love this OT debate about nuts. Personally I just think male genitalia is ugly. Does it repulse me? No. Do I look away from my own in fear? No. But do I think there is nothing pretty about a big sack of elbow skin carrying some marbles? Yes.

Well if you were a woman, or a gay man, you might think differently. I do. :)

I just finished watching it last night. Great movie but the ending left me saying their most be a second film in the works. Anyone else have the same feeling? It was to opened ending...

Wow. I never imagined there would be so many comments about the "naked" scene. Seriously. It was a fight scene, not gay porn. And since the movie was set in the real world, a "magic towel" that never fell off would have been distracting. Not that he was naked. Obviously a hetero male would rather see a naked woman than a naked man, but in a situation where there is ZERO sexual connotation or action, how it can matter one iota is simply mind-boggling.

As for the ending, I thought it was perfect for the context of the story. I'm tired of being spoon-fed by filmmakers who think me incapable of thinking for myself. I don't need a neatly tied bow on all my endings.

In any event--a great film and I will be adding it to my collection ("nuts" and all ;) ).

I can't believe all the attention Viggo's nuts are getting either. If you want to see naked heterosexual men acting "gay", rent "Room with a View". I couldn't believe it. And, before you pounce, I'm not homophobic. My best friend from the 3rd grade is gay and we're 49!

While exceedingly different from Eastern Promises, A Room With A View is also an excellent film. I'll be adding that one too to my HD DVD collection.

While exceedingly different from Eastern Promises, A Room With A View is also an excellent film. I'll be adding that one too to my HD DVD collection.
I liked it enough that I already have it on HD DVD. But the cavorting men made me uncomfortable. I should get over it! :)
Back to the topic at hand...

Ah. Well, there were all sorts of behaviours that were acceptable among males up to the early 20th century (even into mid-century for some of them) that are considered "suspect" today (though in many non-western cultures, they remain acceptable). These are largely displays of affection, "cavorting" and other forms of play/roughhousing that tend to make North American "hetero manly men" uncomfortable. I'm not certain what triggered the "unacceptability" of certain behaviours, but I think it unfortunate.

I wouldn't be comfortable screening a movie like this for family or friends. I think a good director, screenwriter, actors, etc. can put together a fantastic movie & tell a story just fine without the graphic violence, language & nudity. It's self-indulgant, exploitative, and unnecessary. It's a shame really that the excellent PQ & SQ has to go to waste for me.

edit: no offense to anyone who enjoys it nor judgement towards you. this is my opinion on this direction filmmaking has taken, particularly "art" and thinker movies that I'd otherwise enjoy.

I finally watched this movie and I was surprised to see that the nudity in the fight scene was less graphic than I had been led to believe. It seemed like they framed things appropriately in most of the relatively static shots, keeping things as tasteful as possible. In most of the "full frontal" shots, he was being thrown or tossed around and you didn't really get the kind of long, lingering closeup shots that I was expecting based on the reputation the scene has begun to earn for itself. I'll take this over the scene in "Walk Hard" any day.

I wouldn't be comfortable screening a movie like this for family or friends. I think a good director, screenwriter, actors, etc. can put together a fantastic movie & tell a story just fine without the graphic violence, language & nudity. It's self-indulgant, exploitative, and unnecessary. It's a shame really that the excellent PQ & SQ has to go to waste for me.

edit: no offense to anyone who enjoys it nor judgement towards you. this is my opinion on this direction filmmaking has taken, particularly "art" and thinker movies that I'd otherwise enjoy.

First, don't read my response as if I took a personal affront to your comments.

While Cronenberg's earlier work could certainly be called exploitative, I disagree in regards to Eastern Promises. I've never been in a knife fight in a bathhouse but I imagine the fight couldn't be much more realistic. I saw nothing gratuitous about the nudity or the fight itself. Sure, the scene made me gasp but when you're in a life-and-death grapple, you'll find any way to win. The violence in the movie was practically mandatory when you consider the subject matter.

Personally, I don't always want to be comfortable when watching a movie. Escapism can take many forms... light entertainment, gripping morality plays/character studies, etc. For example, I'm not now nor have I ever been a heroin addict, but Requiem For A Dream affected me more deeply than words can describe.
There are PLENTY of movies falling into the 'light' category (isn't that the way it's been forever with Hollywood?) so I'm happy to get the more difficult movies in the "art and thinker" categories.

First, don't read my response as if I took a personal affront to your comments.

While Cronenberg's earlier work could certainly be called exploitative, I disagree in regards to Eastern Promises.

I loved the movie. The one thing I thought was gratuitous was when the guy was killed in the <oops spoiler>. They left the camera on his slit neck just a leeedle too long. It is a minor complaint to be sure.

I wouldn't be comfortable screening a movie like this for family or friends. I think a good director, screenwriter, actors, etc. can put together a fantastic movie & tell a story just fine without the graphic violence, language & nudity. It's self-indulgant, exploitative, and unnecessary. It's a shame really that the excellent PQ & SQ has to go to waste for me.

edit: no offense to anyone who enjoys it nor judgement towards you. this is my opinion on this direction filmmaking has taken, particularly "art" and thinker movies that I'd otherwise enjoy.

You may not like my response to your opinion. It may come across as blunt and unnecessary, but is just my opinion. I have no desire to see a man's testacles, but I find it rather belittling that censors and studios believe they have the right or duty to choose what I am, or am not, capable of viewing comfortably. I am insulted when the realism is edited out, it interferes with my ability to become enveloped in the vision of the storyteller. There are many great books written that if made into film would be lacking due to censorship. Without the graphic violence in this film we can not truely appreciate the inner conflict of the character.
I find it hypocritical in our HD world that you want realism in your display, but oppose that same realism in the message. Would you not be comfortable taking family or friends to a museum where statues and paintings of naked men and women are on display? Do you honestly believe they want or expect you make that choice for them?

Did you guys complain about a little blood in the pool when Carlos Montoya got shot too?

It was a mafia movie and rated R, what did you expect? :confused:

First, don't read my response as if I took a personal affront to your comments.

While Cronenberg's earlier work could certainly be called exploitative, I disagree in regards to Eastern Promises. I've never been in a knife fight in a bathhouse but I imagine the fight couldn't be much more realistic. I saw nothing gratuitous about the nudity or the fight itself. Sure, the scene made me gasp but when you're in a life-and-death grapple, you'll find any way to win. The violence in the movie was practically mandatory when you consider the subject matter.

Personally, I don't always want to be comfortable when watching a movie. Escapism can take many forms... light entertainment, gripping morality plays/character studies, etc. For example, I'm not now nor have I ever been a heroin addict, but Requiem For A Dream affected me more deeply than words can describe.
There are PLENTY of movies falling into the 'light' category (isn't that the way it's been forever with Hollywood?) so I'm happy to get the more difficult movies in the "art and thinker" categories.

You make some good points, however I'm not sure it's entirely good or healthy to experience certain things even through the "safe" distance of a movie. To the subconscious mind, it is no different than experiencing them in real life & can cause literal damage to our mental & emotional states. I'll agree most movies nowadays are meaningless fluff, which is frustrating. However I think it's possible to create an artistic movie that raises interesting questions about life & makes you think in new ways without filling the mind with graphic violent & sexual images.

I have placed value on difficult movies (i.e. The Deer Hunter) at times in my life (mostly during my 20's) and considered them as having helped me to understand myself better. However, I've also observed that when I've ingested graphic material (for example regularly watching the TV series Oz), especially on a regular basis, it's had a negative toll on my overall mental & emotional stasis.

My reasons for watching movies & entertainment in general has evolved tremendously since my teens & 20's. If I do decide to take a difficult one on nowadays, it's usually by myself rather than with company, and often I can trace my desire to watch it to the fact that I am going through some kind of mental or emotional downturn or dealing with an excessively stressful situation.

There could be value in it, along the lines of the emotional impact of visiting the Holocaust museum in D.C. However, in some ways it can be more dangerous to expose yourself to the artistic lisence of a person's audio/visual creation since by nature it is another person's ideas rather than a document of historical reality. The ideas & emotions can stay with you for days just like visiting the museum. A regular diet of such can be quite traumatizing to a clear & serene state of mind. Look at how desensitized people are nowadays and how movies need to be more and more action packed & intense to hold people's interest.

I could go on and on, but I will begin rambling and likely offending people and causing a great stir, as this is not generally a popular viewpoint nowadays, and I'm not even sure this is the place for my discussing it.

You may not like my response to your opinion. It may come across as blunt and unnecessary, but is just my opinion. I have no desire to see a man's testacles, but I find it rather belittling that censors and studios believe they have the right or duty to choose what I am, or am not, capable of viewing comfortably. I am insulted when the realism is edited out, it interferes with my ability to become enveloped in the vision of the storyteller. There are many great books written that if made into film would be lacking due to censorship. Without the graphic violence in this film we can not truely appreciate the inner conflict of the character.
I find it hypocritical in our HD world that you want realism in your display, but oppose that same realism in the message. Would you not be comfortable taking family or friends to a museum where statues and paintings of naked men and women are on display? Do you honestly believe they want or expect you make that choice for them?

Actually I do not generally appreciate censorship either. I find it much wiser to avoid harmful things rather than try to prevent them from existing. I do think that art, particularly film & music have taken a steady decline largely due to what the masses "choose," however. Sex & violence sells. And movies & music are becoming increasingly excessive with graphic violent & sexual images & depicting debased personalities. HD does indeed bring an extra degree of realism into my home. And so even more I have to be choosy of "who" or "what" I invite into my home. Just because they cannot harm me physically, they do affect us mentally & emotionally. Also, there are many differences between this situation and going to a museum where there exist nude statues and paintings.

Just watched this flick.

Did anyone else notice that the subtitles sometimes the first and second letters were cut off?? Maybe it was just my disc but it kept missing a few letters. It was driving me nuts.

Very strange.

Just watched this flick.

Did anyone else notice that the subtitles sometimes the first and second letters were cut off?? Maybe it was just my disc but it kept missing a few letters. It was driving me nuts.

Very strange.
Not just your disk. Mine too.

I was watching Eastern promises last night and when the subtitles came up sometimes one or two letters were cut-off. Is this a know problem?

It was driving me crazy.

Anyone else notice this?

Is the disc defective?

Sorry if this was already discussed

Chris

I noticed that too. I thought it might of been an HDMI error. But must be the HD-DVD. It didnt bug me much though. Happend only a couple times. didnt ruin the movie or anything. Movie has awesome PQ

I was watching Eastern promises last night and when the subtitles came up sometimes one or two letters were cut-off. Is this a know problem?

It was driving me crazy.

Anyone else notice this?

Is the disc defective?

Sorry if this was already discussed

Chris

Well, if you look 2 whole posts up from yours then you will see it seems to be.

Well, if you look 2 whole posts up from yours then you will see it seems to be.

:rolleyes:

Just watched this flick.

Did anyone else notice that the subtitles sometimes the first and second letters were cut off?? Maybe it was just my disc but it kept missing a few letters. It was driving me nuts.

Very strange.

I was watching Eastern promises last night and when the subtitles came up sometimes one or two letters were cut-off. Is this a know problem?

It was driving me crazy.

Anyone else notice this?

Is the disc defective?

Sorry if this was already discussed

Chris

I personally didnt notice this on my disc....

I personally didnt notice this on my disc....

Thanks so it looks like its hit or miss with it.

I didn't notice on mine, but I also wasn't looking for it either. I think I would have noticed if there were letters cut off though. Could it be an overscan issue? Are the letters on the edge of the screen?

I didn't notice on mine, but I also wasn't looking for it either. I think I would have noticed if there were letters cut off though. Could it be an overscan issue? Are the letters on the edge of the screen?
Nope... it's right there in the middle of the screen. It could well be an overscan issue with their character generator, though.

I didn't notice on mine, but I also wasn't looking for it either. I think I would have noticed if there were letters cut off though. Could it be an overscan issue? Are the letters on the edge of the screen?

It didnt happen all the time just sometimes. The subtitles were right in the middle of the screen and sometimes the first and/or second letters were cut off. So not sure if it would be an overscan issue or not.

Wasn't sure about this movie seeing as how the reviews had it pegged as ultraviolent, so I held off on buying the HD DVD version.

Got the SDDVD version from RedBox last night and I definitely liked the movie. Might consider picking it up on HD now.

Sorry for re-animating a somewhat-dead thread, but I finally got to watching this last night.

Watched it with adult family members - future wife, my sister, and my mother. (Nieces banished to upstairs TV.) Yes, it is a violent and graphic film, with some disturbing scenes and more male nudity (of a non-sexual manner) than is usual for American films.

IMHO, everything was depicted appropriate to the context. Water it all down, and it becomes a non-story.

The ending was a surprise, but in retrospect was also appropriate - it left the rest of story untold, with lots of questions unanswered.

The scenes inside the Russian restaurant were gorgeous. I'd like to see some DVD vs HD DVD screen caps of those (hint, hint, Xylon or others). Rich colors, fantastic details.

The screen cap Xylon presented is a little non-representative, IMHO, since the scene is focused close to the camera, and the background is just that - out of focus and not part of the scene, just there. Scenes in the restaurant or the soccer stuff, as mentioned, would be more interesting.

An interesting note about my copy of the disk: the disk was loose in the case, and was marred a fair bit. I was quite worried, but it played perfectly on my XA2.

shinksma

gosh, my disk was loose and flying in the case as well, I thought as it flew from america to europe and on the road it happened. both sides played perfectly. the only thing I can say as much as the HD DVD side was perfect, the DVD one is a dissappointment. lot of edge enhancements and a worse look overall, it could look better than that even in SD.

I picked this up for 7.99 new at Future Shop. The film itself and the PQ are excellent. It's too bad the extras are so light, this film just begged for more behind the scenes stuff and commentaries. Viggo would've won the Oscar any other year.

Sorry for re-animating a somewhat-dead thread, but I finally got to watching this last night.

Yes, it is a violent and graphic film, with some disturbing scenes and more male nudity (of a non-sexual manner) than is usual for American films.

IMHO, everything was depicted appropriate to the context. Water it all down, and it becomes a non-story.

The ending was a surprise, but in retrospect was also appropriate - it left the rest of story untold, with lots of questions unanswered.


shinksma
(Bold)- This is where I agree with you the nudity in the film was of a non sexual nature. If people get offended by this, then I guess its a good hunch that they stay out of out art museums because of the possible nudity. I could understand if the nudity was of a sexual nature at ALL, but in this case it was realistic and without it the scene might have suffered. I dont need or want to see another mans "junk", but this scene was the farthest thing from being offensive IMO. It would have been silly to have his towel stuck to him for the entire fight. Also, for another perspective on it for those who havent checked it out listen to Viggo's interview on NPR about the scene. I a going to leave my political views out of this though as they have been discussed too much in this thread ;).

The end of the movie surprised me as well, but I was satisfied at the end even with the "open ends". This is a movie that deserves to be seen, because it is raw and "pushes the limits".



I picked this up for 7.99 new at Future Shop. The film itself and the PQ are excellent. It's too bad the extras are so light, this film just begged for more behind the scenes stuff and commentaries. Viggo would've won the Oscar any other year.

Totally agree the odds were just stacked to high against him. Its a shame that he had to go against a few power house movies :(.

(Bold)- This is where I agree with you the nudity in the film was of a non sexual nature. If people get offended by this, then I guess its a good hunch that they stay out of out art museums because of the possible nudity. I could understand if the nudity was of a sexual nature at ALL, but in this case it was realistic and without it the scene might have suffered. I dont need or want to see another mans "junk", but this scene was the farthest thing from being offensive IMO. It would have been silly to have his towel stuck to him for the entire fight. Also, for another perspective on it for those who havent checked it out listen to Viggo's interview on NPR about the scene. I a going to leave my political views out of this though as they have been discussed too much in this thread ;).



Well, maybe the towel sticking to him would have been silly.... agreed. But, that aside, maybe Im getting old but watching Aragorn roll around the floor of a dirty bathhouse completely naked while fighting is just not working for me. This alone kills this movie and I still dont see what the hell the point was?. The violence doesnt bother me at all.... but the pointless male nudity almost makes it laughable and kills the tension. Alls I ever hear at the water cooler at work regarding that movie is "Yeah, thats the movie where Aragorn is naked rolling on the floor with Russian guys.".. EEEEWWWWW :eek:

There are soooo many other ways to have that final fight scene. Did they really have to be in that bath house with a naked Aragorn? I mean.... did it REALLY make or break the film? I say no freegin way. It wasnt a bad flick by any means...but I cant watch the movie ever again because Id have to skip the last chapter which is kind of lame. Suppose in No Country For Old Men there was a scene where Bardem is fully naked.... like the scene while he's strangling that sherriff? Screw that.

Really? Are you really NEVER going to watch a particular film because you might catch a glimpse of a guy's genitals? I mean, it's not like he struck a pose and the camera lingered lovingly over his "package".

I honestly cannot begin to comprehend, even in the slightest, why seeing another man's genitalia (in EXTREMELY limited fashion) is cause for discomfort. Of course, I have equal difficulty comprehending why repetitive brutal violence is LESS bothersome than a fraction of a second's obscured view of male genitalia.

As for "did it need to be in the bathhouse"? Probably not a need (of course, the same can be said of many scenes in many films), but a strong artistic representation of how vulnerable one is when naked as well as an illustration of the additional brutality of assaulting someone when they are most vulnerable and defenceless.

Really? Are you really NEVER going to watch a particular film because you might catch a glimpse of a guy's genitals? I mean, it's not like he struck a pose and the camera lingered lovingly over his "package".

I honestly cannot begin to comprehend, even in the slightest, why seeing another man's genitalia (in EXTREMELY limited fashion) is cause for discomfort. Of course, I have equal difficulty comprehending why repetitive brutal violence is LESS bothersome than a fraction of a second's obscured view of male genitalia.

As for "did it need to be in the bathhouse"? Probably not a need (of course, the same can be said of many scenes in many films), but a strong artistic representation of how vulnerable one is when naked as well as an illustration of the additional brutality of assaulting someone when they are most vulnerable and defenceless.

Its not just a glimpse of a guys genitals.... its the whole damned scene which lasts for several minutes. Im not the only one that found it rather obnoxious as evidence by many others complaining about the same issue. Even so, I prefer NOT to ever see a mans genitals. I gain nothing from it and call me old-fashioned or whatever but I will never "want" to see guys naked no matter what the circumstances. There are other films with brief male nudity in them which I watch or have watched. Fine... but this was supposed to be a brutal fight scene that IMO was ruined by the nudity. It was distracting.

I agree with you that many films have scenes that didnt "need" to be the way they were and I also agree that the vulnerability was very well portrayed. Still... it just didnt work for me. Perhaps the violence is less bothersome since we are MUCH more desensitized to it. Hey, whether its "correct" to say or not.... most guys DO have a problem with seeing nude men for any longer than a brief moment even if they dont openly admit it as to not offend anyone. Seeing one in those circumstances for that length of time was simply unacceptable. Sorry.

I would say viggo being naked adds to the naturalism this scene is supposed to have. and his bollocks are seen not for long luckily. can`t say the scene didn`t work, it was a great scene even though I too really don`t like see male nudity at all. maybe cronenberg should have had him wearing a thong :p ... but this film is not a comedy.

I just don't understand all this talk about the nudity. When in the Navy, there was no choice and depending on your time in the shower, I'm guessing a lot of the people objecting would have been extremely uncomfortable. Religious people say man is made in Gods image. Where does this fit in that.

i'll jump in on the "what's the big deal?" bandwagon... seriously quick flashes where his junk was in frame are nothing... plus if you're focusing on the male nudity you're not focusing on the point of the scene (plus it could say something about you that the part of the scene your eyes jump to happen to be the exposed manbits)

Well, maybe the towel sticking to him would have been silly.... agreed. But, that aside, maybe Im getting old but watching Aragorn roll around the floor of a dirty bathhouse completely naked while fighting is just not working for me. This alone kills this movie and I still dont see what the hell the point was?. The violence doesnt bother me at all.... but the pointless male nudity almost makes it laughable and kills the tension. Alls I ever hear at the water cooler at work regarding that movie is "Yeah, thats the movie where Aragorn is naked rolling on the floor with Russian guys.".. EEEEWWWWW :eek:

There are soooo many other ways to have that final fight scene. Did they really have to be in that bath house with a naked Aragorn? I mean.... did it REALLY make or break the film? I say no freegin way. It wasnt a bad flick by any means...but I cant watch the movie ever again because Id have to skip the last chapter which is kind of lame. Suppose in No Country For Old Men there was a scene where Bardem is fully naked.... like the scene while he's strangling that sherriff? Screw that.

Sure there "could have" been another way to film it, but I agree with the poster below. Its not that we want to see male nudity, but I am not going to say this SMALL part of the film ruined it entirely. Also, it helps not to always think of actors from their PAST roles, calling Viggo Aragon case in point. This is a different role from a great actor that is very diverse. I believe Viggo actually stressed that it SHOULD stay in the film as written (from NPR interview). He said it wouldnt be realistic if the towel stuck to him or if he was wearing underwear.

I would say viggo being naked adds to the naturalism this scene is supposed to have..

I agree with this and to the poster who said that it added to the vulnerability of his character. It showed him shed of his clothing and his "protection". He was in this scene almost as vulnerable as any human can be naked and unarmed. While still a killing machine I think the scene as filmed did its job correctly.

I think the problem people are having is that people are connecting his nude scene to sexuality in some way(nude=sex). Some people just have a hard time disconnecting the two from each other. I think the other side of it is that some and I STRESS some men think that if they view this scene and think "it works" that will be admitting to some kind of homosexuality. This is the farthest thing from the truth though, as this isnt sexual at all its "art". Its like saying that you cant appreciate Michelangelo's David becasue its a mae and hes nude..If he was wearing pants maybe then you could appreciate him.

I also get a kick when extreme graphic violence doent bother people, but then male nudity does? Just doesn't make sense to me. I really didnt see the big deal in the whole scene, I thought it was going to be much more graphic from the press it was getting. When I heard the Viggo interview (NPR) and after seeing it, the scene wouldnt make sense if he didnt bare all.

I would further add that (and it is a reflexive action, not necessarily one that indicates a conscious prejudice) a bunch of guys standing around the watercooler talking about a scene like this one and going "ewww" is more likely indicative of a desire to avoid "whaddaya gay or somethin" from the rest of the gang rather than a thoughtful criticism of the director's choices in filmmaking. Much like a crowd at a hockey game will get up en masse and cheer a player in a fight while those same people, as individuals, would likely call the police if they saw a similar situation on the street.

People are certainly free to be critical of elements of a film (or the entire film) but, in this case, I fail to understand the basis for the criticism. If one wants to argue the film's plot is not advanced by the bathhouse scene (not a criticism I share, but one that could be argued), that's one thing. But criticizing the character for being naked in the bathhouse, not because it is unrealistic (it isn't) but because it might cause the audience to glimpse (and it IS only "a glimpse"--the scene goes on for several minutes but the actual "screen time" of "the package" clocks in well under a minute and never more than a few seconds at a time) a brief portion of his genitals is not an artistic criticism.

I thought I was on Blu-ray.com there for a second...

I thought I was on Blu-ray.com there for a second...
Really? Do they have debates on the artistic merits of filmmakers choices at that site?

Really? Do they have debates on the artistic merits of filmmakers choices at that site?

Nah, they're too busy watching the bit rate meter to notice that there's anything else going on.

I bought Eastern Promises because...

A) My wife and I like Viggo as an actor
B) Cronenberg is a great film maker. If he's done a commentary track, skipping it would like skipping part of the movie.

The bonus was that it was cheaper than the SD version :D

I snagged it for 7.99$. Can't beat that (well, perhaps one can get it for even less, but it's a steal at twice the price).

Even so, I prefer NOT to ever see a mans genitals.

This is you getting into the shower, isn't it? :)

http://www.courttv.com/graphics/onair/shows/hollywood_heat/new/photos/AD_nevernude167.jpg

This is you getting into the shower, isn't it? :)

http://www.courttv.com/graphics/onair/shows/hollywood_heat/new/photos/AD_nevernude167.jpg

Almost. Bigger gut, taller. Close though.

Not that it matters now, but this movie didnt do anything for me anyways. So even without naked, turkish-bath male fighting, I STILL didnt get much out of it.

Whatever.