I am slowly building a second HT setup for the master bedroom and have narrowed my choices down to these two for the front's . The price difference for the two is only about 80 bucks since I am buying used. Any input would be appreciated.

I can't offer any comparisons but the veritas series works very well. I've owned 2.4i's and have 2.2i's in a full veritas HT set up. The tweeter mid module gives excellent off-axis response for a very large soundstage and big sweet spot. They are very impressive. I recommend matching them with some warm gear to get the best sound out of them.

If you're going to have a sub you may want to consider going only with 2.2i's. I sold my 2.4i's because I'm separating my 2 channel setup from my HT set up and I didn't need full towers for HT.


Good luck.


kw..........

Well, try the swans 5.1s out (if you aren't aware of this, TAI only has the 5.1s in a vinyl finish, they no longer carry the rosewood version), it you don't like them, send them back and get the Veritas 2.3s. From what it sounds like they both match up well, respectively with their centers in their lines. You can find quite a few of us here that really enjoy our 5.1s, they are a very exceptional speaker! I wish i could comment on how they might compare with each other, but i have not heard the 2.3s...

Thanks for the replies. I am leaning towards the Swans and think I will try them out first.

I like my 5.1s so far. Also Jon has been great to deal with. You may go to www.theaudioinsider.com and check prices. Also, keep in mind that shipping charges are OVER estimated on their site. They will refund you the difference which they're in the process of doing for me now. So all told I will have paid roughly 630 bucks for the pair of 5.1's that includes shipping to my door.

The 30 day in home trial is not valid on these since they are clearance items...but given the resale value of swan you can probably turn around and sell them for 400 or so dollars meaning you wont have to eat a lot assuming you dont like them....

However, my initial impressions have been very positive with lots more listening to come.

www.ozhometheater.com seems to have the full classic Swan lineup in rosewood as well as vinyl. I have the rosewood 5.1s, the C3 center, and the R3 surrounds. Highly recommended!

i got my 5.1's in last week. I loved them, but was not truely impressed....at first that is. After i hooked up my Emotiva gear (LPA-1/LMC-1)...wow is all that can describe it. I love them now. And wow do these puppies hit the highs and mids. Lows are kind of lacking, but not anything really worth complaining about. I highly recommend them for the money. I compared them to some Monitor Golds at my local audio store and i liked my swans better. Great deal. But i would hook it up with separates if i were you

+1 for the swan 5.1s. I have the 5.1s,C3 center, and 4.1s. Wonderful speakers and I agree with the others powering with a good amp will make them sing. Consider the emotiva lpa1 if your budget permits.

I almost ruled the Swans out when I saw the 230.00 shipping charge at AudioInsider, but then I read here that it was an over charge. I will call them and see if i can order by phone.

I am going to drive them with an ATI 1505 amp that has always served me well in the main theater room until I upgraded. Thanks again to all who replied.
I have learned more on this forum than I did in college:)

shipping on the swans was about $70, and it looks to be pretty standard.

Just looking over this thread it would appear your mind was made up before you even posed the question? I love these forums but there are many members with agendas and I'll leave it at that. I am sure the swans will be to your liking:).

Bigred,
Quick question for you...Which Monitor Audio (Golds/silvers/bronzes) model did you compare the 5.1s to?

Just looking over this thread it would appear your mind was made up before you even posed the question? I love these forums but there are many members with agendas and I'll leave it at that. I am sure the swans will be to your liking:).


It's comments like that which make me limit my posts in this forum. I have 18 posts in five years, what possible agenda could I have? I just wanted some advice\opinions from some knowledgeable indviduals about some speakers.

From reading other posts and the fact that some forums had to be shut down this forum is way too hostile. What's with the hostility?

Bigred,
Quick question for you...Which Monitor Audio (Golds/silvers/bronzes) model did you compare the 5.1s to?

It was the Golds...i believe the G S20

It's comments like that which make me limit my posts in this forum. I have 18 posts in five years, what possible agenda could I have? I just wanted some advice\opinions from some knowledgeable indviduals about some speakers.

From reading other posts and the fact that some forums had to be shut down this forum is way too hostile. What's with the hostility?
That's an excellent question. I think some people feel entirely too strongly about their favorite audio gear. Perhaps some folks need to take a break from this forum, ask their moms to nuke them a hot pocket and get back to watching Star Trek reruns or playing WoW. ;)

It's also the biggest audio-related forum on the net AFAIK so I guess it's going to attract all types...

It's comments like that which make me limit my posts in this forum. I have 18 posts in five years, what possible agenda could I have? I just wanted some advice\opinions from some knowledgeable indviduals about some speakers.

From reading other posts and the fact that some forums had to be shut down this forum is way too hostile. What's with the hostility?

I just started reading through this thread. After two fairly biased replies, within a short period, you reached a conclusion. It wasn't meant to be hostile, sorry about that. I thought it was odd that by your fourth post you had already come to a conclusion. To me this looked like you had determind this before hand.

Regards, Billy p:)

Hmmm, the first reply recommended the Veritas, the second recommended the Swans. The third post was the OP, followed by 3 more Swan recommendations. How is this biased? If you mean satisfied customers recommending their speakers then yes, I guess we're all biased to a degree!

That's an excellent question. I think some people feel entirely too strongly about their favorite audio gear. Perhaps some folks need to take a break from this forum, ask their moms to nuke them a hot pocket and get back to watching Star Trek reruns or playing WoW. ;)

It's also the biggest audio-related forum on the net AFAIK so I guess it's going to attract all types...

What's wrong with Star Trek reruns? OR Hotpockets? Wait a minute (Mom, not now, I'm in my Mancave talking on my computer!)....... sorry about that, now what were we talking about?

Despite the controversy over all-amps-sound-alike, for years we've been recommending high-current amps and receivers -- if it delivers substantially more into four ohms than the eight ohm rating on the box, it probably qualifies.

Circuits with high instantaneous current (harman kardon, Onkyo Integra, NAD, and others come to mind on the inexpensive end of the spectrum) tend to sound more full-bodied, more "integrated" and quite a bit more effortless.

The 5.1 is the most sensitive speaker Swan makes that we distribute: It doesn't need a lot of power, but with its minimalist-style design (relatively low internal parts count) it does enjoy a high-current source.

What's wrong with Star Trek reruns? OR Hotpockets? Wait a minute (Mom, not now, I'm in my Mancave talking on my computer!)....... sorry about that, now what were we talking about?
Lol! Nothing, nothing whatsoever wrong with them. I just helped my mom put her Christmas tree up. Now if you'll all excuse me I think Deep Space Nine is on... ;)

Lol! Nothing, nothing whatsoever wrong with them. I just helped my mom put her Christmas tree up. Now if you'll all excuse me I think Deep Space Nine is on... ;)

Who do you think would win in a fight, a Cardassian or a Klingon?

Oh yeah, one more thing... yttlv QISmaS! (merry Christmas in Klingon) ... courtesy of an on-line english to Klingon translator!

Oh yeah, one more thing... yttlv QISmaS! (merry Christmas in Klingon) ... courtesy of an on-line english to Klingon translator!

.....wow

Yeah, I'm a Star Trek geek...!

Yes, Billy P is right i am apparently bias cause i suggested the Swan 5.1s :rolleyes: Now, if i would have suggested the Energy's would my post been bias? Apparently, people are only showing their bias when others are suggesting a product that isn't compatible with what they might suggest? I'm sorry that deserves a lol

Give me a break....

It was the Golds...i believe the G S20

whoa my bad i was way off, did some more research and it was the Monitor Silver RS6's...but still i thought the swans were better

Who do you think would win in a fight, a Cardassian or a Klingon?
I'm going to go with the Klingon, although the Cardassian would probably fight dirty so it's anybody's battle...

Oh yeah, one more thing... yttlv QISmaS! (merry Christmas in Klingon) ... courtesy of an on-line english to Klingon translator!
Umm... Thanks... You're scaring me now lol :D

[QUOTE=Billy p;12570825]Just looking over this thread it would appear your mind was made up before you even posed the question?

Some of you guy's take things to heart. Why are you guys trying to fuel a fire. I simply made an observation and I made that remark because the OP had within a short time period come to a conclusion, anyways:confused:. It's amazing how these threads have a life of their own, give it a rest guys.

PS: Nice, I'm fairly sure the OP had star trek on his mind when he started this thread?:rolleyes:.

hmm, that wasn't the statement i was refering to. However this is the statement i am refering to After two fairly biased replies, within a short period, you reached a conclusion.
To alot of people that statement might come across rather combative merely cause others opinons aren't yours, now that was the gist of my statement.

It seems swans attract a lot of hostility. Since I am a satisfied customer I often recommend them to others. Invariably, I find someone will come on the thread and disparage the opinions of swan owners. I wonder what is causing this hostility.

Tin foil hats! Get your tin foil hats, right here! Can't have a conspiracy theory without tin foil hats!

Here ya go son...wear it in good health!

It seems swans attract a lot of hostility. Since I am a satisfied customer I often recommend them to others. Invariably, I find someone will come on the thread and disparage the opinions of swan owners. I wonder what is causing this hostility.

well i have a couple theories lol

1. alot of people dont want to believe ID companies are good. They want to believe their $5000 speakers are...well $5000 better than everyone else's. Now i mean that makes sense if i spent that much i surely would want to believe that its alot better than others. But some people just get very defensive and dont want to believe anything else is good, especially god forbid...its cheaper

2. I think people like Billy P. catch alot of heat. I truely dont believe that he was trying to instigate anything, it was just merely his opinion. I mean the OP did make a decision rather quickly. BUT it could have been worded much differently

3. People on here just need to except that there are alot of ID owners on this forum and they will get talked up quite a bit. Anyone that buys into something and likes it, is going to voice it out, soooooo get over it.

Lets just get along, were all tired of seeing stupid arguments over non sense. Its a forum were all allowed to express our opinions, lets just not be on the offensive.


Now that im done with my rant and this thread obviously is mostly talkin about Swan Diva's, i was wondering which non ID company the swans could be directly compared to. Does anyone know?

Actually, I hadn't made up my mind but the Swans were a less expensive and had a higher WAF since thay more closely matched the bedroom funiture. However, I had no real knowledge of the Veritas line and if several people had posted that the Veritas was a better speaker by a wide margin than that would have certainly made me give them a longer look. Again, thanks for everyone input and Merry Christmas!!!

Actually, I hadn't made up my mind but the Swans were a less expensive and had a higher WAF since thay more closely matched the bedroom funiture. However, I had no real knowledge of the Veritas line and if several people had posted that the Veritas was a better speaker by a wide margin than that would have certainly made me give them a longer look. Again, thanks for everyone input and Merry Christmas!!!

I dunno - if you read this thread objectively it sure reads like an ad for Swans.

Also, Mgoode, read the first two responses again, ah, nevermind.

Just do me a favour please, can you pm me with the business/person who is selling an incredible speaker like the Veritas so cheap? You may not want them, but I do!

And do a search here - especially in the Energy thread - you'll get information on the Veritas line. And since they're sold in retail stores - it's very easy for ANYONE to just walk in and listen to them for themselves. But IMO you'd be wasting them on a bedroom system anyway. I'd go for the Swans too for my bedroom. I'd want the Veritas in a much nicer room with nicer gear so I could really listen to them.

Enjoy the Swans - and don't forget to pm me :)

And Merry Christmas to you and yours too!!!!!

I dunno - if you read this thread objectively it sure reads like an ad for Swans.

Also, Mgoode, read the first two responses again, ah, nevermind.

Just do me a favour please, can you pm me with the business/person who is selling an incredible speaker like the Veritas so cheap? You may not want them, but I do!

And do a search here - especially in the Energy thread - you'll get information on the Veritas line. And since they're sold in retail stores - it's very easy for ANYONE to just walk in and listen to them for themselves. But IMO you'd be wasting them on a bedroom system anyway. I'd go for the Swans too for my bedroom. I'd want the Veritas in a much nicer room with nicer gear so I could really listen to them.

Enjoy the Swans - and don't forget to pm me :)

And Merry Christmas to you and yours too!!!!!


and what this doesnt look like an ad for the Veritas? sheeesh some people...

However, I had no real knowledge of the Veritas line and if several people had posted that the Veritas was a better speaker by a wide margin than that would have certainly made me give them a longer look.



and what this doesnt look like an ad for the Veritas? sheeesh some people...


hmmmm, other than Billy and I, who would be dumb enough to post anything against the swan with bully's like Bigred out there ready to beat you up if you say anything at all.

Yeah, bigred - you are obviously an Energy speaker expert :rolleyes:.

Like I said, keep the Swans - I'm sure they're fine. And for anyone else, go down to your local hi-fi shop and listen to the Veritas line YOURSELF and make up YOUR OWN MIND. Unlike Mr.Red here, I have no agenda. I could care less what anyone buys - it's your money and your ears.

But I'm serious - give me the name of the person selling the Veritas so cheap.

Myself, I have my own ears - I don't need to justify my purchases. And BR - read this thread - OBJECTIVELY - it doesn't look like an ad to you? I'm not saying it is - but it sure reads that way.

Oh please. Here we go again. Another ordinary thread degenerating into stupid accusations. The thread doesn't read like an ad for ANYTHING unless you're completely paranoid. Some people lose their minds every time anyone recommends an ID brand, while others just want to argue, but neither type contributes anything meaningful to the OP's question! All he wanted to know was which of two similarly priced, both excellent, pairs of speakers was preferred! It's a request for opinions, and opinions is exactly what he got. If anyone has a problem with the fact that ID brands are popular here and many forum members own them, gee that's tragic. Maybe you should stand up, walk away from the computer, and go get yourself some fresh air and maybe a new, less stressful hobby. Or a beer or a date or something. Please.

Look, it's obvious both Swan and Energy make outstanding speakers. I own Swans and love them. I haven't had the chance to hear any Energys but I'd love to, and when the opportunity arises I shall certainly take the chance to listen to some. In fact I just talked to an old friend who's got another old friend who happens to be an Energy and Revel dealer so I'll probably hook up with them at some point to give both brands a listen. Until I do I'm certainly not qualified to say one brand is better than the other. All I and people like me who've only heard one of the two brands in question can do is say yep the Swans are excellent, but as always, only your ears can decide for you.

Maybe it's holiday stress but it seems to me the levels of testosterone and general aggression have been on the rise here on AVS lately and it's friggin tiresome and completely unnecessary. We're discussing speakers and toys and audio here people -- this is supposed to be the FUN part of our day!!! So can't we please all try to enjoy and spread a little holiday cheer and LIGHTEN the F up??

Thanks. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, a pleasant Kwanzaa, or whatever else you celebrate to you all. :D

hmmmm, other than Billy and I, who would be dumb enough to post anything against the swan with bully's like Bigred out there ready to beat you up if you say anything at all.

Yeah, bigred - you are obviously an Energy speaker expert :rolleyes:.

Like I said, keep the Swans - I'm sure they're fine. And for anyone else, go down to your local hi-fi shop and listen to the Veritas line YOURSELF and make up YOUR OWN MIND. Unlike Mr.Red here, I have no agenda. I could care less what anyone buys - it's your money and your ears.

But I'm serious - give me the name of the person selling the Veritas so cheap.

Myself, I have my own ears - I don't need to justify my purchases. And BR - read this thread - OBJECTIVELY - it doesn't look like an ad to you? I'm not saying it is - but it sure reads that way.



Dude what are you talking about....a bully? i defended Billy P....wow re-read this thread man. And how did i beat you up? you claimed this was an ad for Swans, and by the way you posted in response was just as much "ad like" than what anyone else said. And i have an agenda? sorry maybe you should fill me in on this agenda haha, because actually i said i was not impressed with the swans until i hooked it up with an amp then it became much better. So i clearly stated they are not impressive unless hooked up with an amp...

And please point out where i said anything about the Energy speakers??? Because in order for one to claim to be an expert, they have to at least mention something of them first, and i clearly did not say a single word about them.

So if you consider me responding to you with "and this does not look like an ad for the veritas...some people sheeesh" and think that is beating you up, then you sir are CLEARLY on drugs, and are way to sensitive to be on this forum.

Sorry for the hijacking :)

I'd go for the Swans too for my bedroom. I'd want the Veritas in a much nicer room with nicer gear so I could really listen to them.

This thread is so hilarious (just like almost every other thread on this forum), If you reread the posts, you'll will see not 1 of the swans owners made a negative comment regarding the Energy's Sound (unless ofcourse you count not having heard them being a negative comment:rolleyes: ). Kpt Krunch you are the only one trying to stir something up... That is quite a statement you made, do you have any real world auditioning to back up that statement (by inference you are saying the swans are the lesser speaker). That comment would lead many to believe that you have heard BOTH speakers side by side or atleast heard both of them at one time or another.
Making back-handed comments isn't anyway to get people to audition or like the Energys or any speaker over another for that matter!

I dunno - if you read this thread objectively it sure reads like an ad for Swans.

Opinions are subjective in nature, how might there be any objectivity in something such as perception?

mgoode...the key here is that not many have heard both, and you will get more responding about the Swans because they are sold on the internet....and we are on the internet discussing them.

Energy's Veritas line is highly regarded. I have heard the older 2.2's and thought it was a excellent speaker. I have not heard the Swans.

If you can get a great deal on the Veritas, you should seek them out for a listen. After that, seek out the Swans or take advantage of the trial.....maybe you can also do a side by side comparison with the Veritas....that would be the best thing to do.

If you can share the information about the Veritas dealer that is offering great deals...you would be doing a lot of people a big favor. If the price difference is truly only $80, and there was a good return policy on the Veritas.....that is the route I would go first.

Definitely, considering the 2.3s MSRP is $2800 vs the Swan 5.1F $1000.

If that means he can get the 2.3i for $1080....then that is less than 40% of the retail price. I would buy them even if there was not a good return policy because you could turn right around and make a profit on them.

Is there something wrong with this picture? Ooops...nevermind.

I see he is buying used......go listen to them.

"Is there something wrong with this picture? Ooops...nevermind." (Hmm, i do wonder what your were implying with you snide little comment... hmm maybe more of your anti-TAI propaganda?)

You missed my point, The veritas are worth very much a listen, all i was saying is, the Energys are almost 3x the price of the swans price and generally speaking i would assume (without listening to them) they would be sonically superior. Also, the Swans are being cleared out at$549 not $1000.

"Is there something wrong with this picture? Ooops...nevermind." (Hmm, i do wonder what your were implying with you snide little comment... hmm maybe more of your anti-TAI propaganda?)

You missed my point, The veritas are worth very much a listen, all i was saying is, the Energys are almost 3x the price of the swans price and generally speaking i would assume (without listening to them) they would be sonically superior. Also, the Swans are being cleared out at$549 not $1000.
I was not even addressing anything towards you...and there is no anti-TAI propaganda(have you read where I said I liked the Dana 630?). I made the comment before I realized he was looking at used Veritas speakers...which is the reason for the "oops".

So is it an $80 difference when compared to $549?

BTW...in your first post of this thread, you didn't tell the guy to listen to the Veritas or that you assumed they were sonically superior. Is that because of your TAI fanboyism? ;) It is a two way street, right?

I was not even addressing anything towards you...and there is no anti-TAI propaganda(have you read where I said I liked the Dana 630?). I made the comment before I realized he was looking at used Veritas speakers...which is the reason for the "oops".

So is it an $80 difference when compared to $549?

BTW...in your first post of this thread, you didn't tell the guy to listen to the Veritas or that you assumed they were sonically superior. Is that because of your TAI fanboyism? ;) It is a two way street, right?

well for the price difference anyone would assume they should be sonically superior. At least one would hope. I personally like my Swans over the Monitor silver RS6's that are sold for almost $500 more. money isnt everything in some circumstances.

Has anyone heard both of these speakers so there can be some what of a fair comparison? otherwise this is all just subjective

well for the price difference anyone would assume they should be sonically superior. At least one would hope. I personally like my Swans over the Monitor silver RS6's that are sold for almost $500 more. money isnt everything in some circumstances.

Has anyone heard both of these speakers so there can be some what of a fair comparison? otherwise this is all just subjective
I have not heard the RS6, but have a few friends(that I trust) that have, and they give mixed reports, which leads me to believe that it has some anomalies that vary from person to person. For the Swans, I only know one person that has heard them...but he gets called out for "having an agenda" when he says he didn't like them. How can you get any unbiased info from the forum?

You hit the nail on the head....no one in this thread has heard both to offer any kind of comparison, yet the OP has opted toward the Swans(based on this thread maybe?)....which is what I think Kpt_Krunch is questioning.

Opinions are subjective in nature, how might there be any objectivity in something such as perception?

Simple, don't read this as either a fan of Swan or Energy, in fact read this without any intention of buying any speaker.

I just read a thread a few nights ago (I'm sure is deleted now) from two first time posters. The OP was looking for a DVD copy program. The response was an ad for the greatest one of all time.

Here, you have a guy asking about a top of line (think minimum Dana quality here, not budget) speaker vs. a common I.D. brand. Two response, and he's going Swan, and the price for delivery is actually much less than posted, just call Jon. What, that doesn't read like an ad to you???? Like I said, I'm not saying it is, I'm not saying that was the intent of this thread, but like it or not, that's what it turned into, at least in my brain.

Billyp responded the way most people are thinking. IMO there was nothing stated from either poster that would convince me to buy one over the other. Except that I've heard the Veritas and it is an incredible speaker line, and if the Swans sounded as good, Jon Lane would be a multi-millionaire by now (hey, for all I know he already is :)).

But as already said - (and Curtis... I asked first :)) if mgoode wants the Swans, more power to him. I haven't said anything bad about Swan, nor would I, as I never heard them and I'm sure for their price they're a wonderful speaker.

But I've heard the Veritas - and If a 2.3 could be had on the cheap, I'm all over that - and I don't even need speakers :D

I have not heard the RS6, but have a few friends(that I trust) that have, and they give mixed reports, which leads me to believe that it has some anomalies that vary from person to person. For the Swans, I only know one person that has heard them...but he gets called out for "having an agenda" when he says he didn't like them. How can you get any unbiased info from the forum?

You hit the nail on the head....no one in this thread has heard both to offer any kind of comparison, yet the OP has opted toward the Swans(based on this thread maybe?)....which is what I think Kpt_Krunch is questioning.

Yes that is what he was questing but in a rediculous way saying im calling him out and bullying....

anywho your right its a forum, he asked for advice and everyone gave it to him (but by chance the majority that offered feedback are swan owners). I think that the fact that several people offered positive feedback on the swans is a good sign they are good speakers. It just appeared that the ones that voted for the Veritas only said so because they didnt like the attention or amount of people recommending the Swans. But like i said it just appeared that way just like it appeared that this thread was an advertisement for Swan. HA.

But Veritas look like a really nice speaker. Very interesting. I dont think you could go wrong either way, but like i have said i own swans and of the two in question are the only ones i have heard. Can someone give me a link with possibly reviews and pricing on the Vertias? I'd like to know more about them. Thanks :)

Yes that is what he was questing but in a rediculous way saying im calling him out and bullying....




ummmm, sorry - r-I-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s - ridiculous. Sorry - but I see it spelled as 'red' all over the place - what dictionary is everyone using anyway?

And yeah, if someone says something like "this B&M is better than the I.D." they get attacked, so yeah, it's bullying.

But BR - you're in a great spot! You have the Swans - so you know what the sound like - you can go and listen to the Veritas line yourself and post your impressions. I can't do that as I don't know anybody who has the Swans, sorry.

Oh, btw - I do own an I.D. speaker brand - it doesn't matter what it is, just suffice to say I agree, I. D. can offer an incredible value for your $ vs. B&M speakers (retail for retail) but it doesn't mean it's the best value out there if you can get a great B&M speaker at a substantial discount like mgoode can :D

Merry Christmas BR!

The first two post in this thread were about both pairs of speakers. One said go with the Veritas, the other Said go with the Swans. Right after that he said he was leaning towards the Swans. Then more chimed in on the swans because they are daily posters on this forum not advertisers.

Now im assuimg that the OP is looking for the most economical purchase since he is buying used and looking at ID. Now what type of recievers/ amps are people using on the Veritas because if they are truely better, then im sure they will require better pre/pros/amps to get those puppies to sing, is that accurate or no? We dont even know what he is using to power all this, wouldnt that be some help in determing all this too?

Can someone give me a link with possibly reviews and pricing on the Vertias? I'd like to know more about them. Thanks :)
Here's one after a quick search:
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/energy_veritas_v24i.htm

Do you have one for the Swans?

ummmm, sorry - r-I-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s - ridiculous. Sorry - but I see it spelled as 'red' all over the place - what dictionary is everyone using anyway?

And yeah, if someone says something like "this B&M is better than the I.D." they get attacked, so yeah, it's bullying.

But BR - you're in a great spot! You have the Swans - so you know what the sound like - you can go and listen to the Veritas line yourself and post your impressions. I can't do that as I don't know anybody who has the Swans, sorry.


Merry Christmas BR!

Wow are you my mother or English teacher? haha oh geeze. And if your balls shrink because you feel like your being attacked and then complain about it, why would you then go and attack back? Your whole point becomes lost...If you think i attacked you please quote me where i attacked you so harshly? Please kindly do so Mr. Sensitive. No one ever attacked anyone for saying go with the Vertias....so again your on drugs. I was just being a smart a** to you for saying this was an advertisement for swan when your reply message could have been seen as just as much of an advertisement. So stop getting your panties all up in a bunch, and relax. I never said anything bad about the Veritas, in fact they look like great speakers.

Yeah i will have a merry christmas because i just got my new amp and will gladly enjoy them on the Swans:)

looks like this thread has picked up steam:eek:.It appeared the OP asked a valid question. I am fairly sure this forum has members who have auditioned both at some point. The one person whom comes to mind is Craigsub, he had the 2.4's awhile back and I think he has recently heard the swans? He is always willing to help just send him a PM.
Cheers & Seasons Greeting, Billy P:)

Here's one after a quick search:
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/energy_veritas_v24i.htm

Do you have one for the Swans?

Sweet Thanks! And no i could never find any reviews for the Swans before i bought them. I was deciding between these and some Rockets. So i just listened to several peoples personal reviews of the speakers, and i eventually came to a decision after that the Swans would be the best for me. I took the gamble bought them and everything turned out good. But this is why alot of swan owners jump on threads where people are considering buying swans, because there is not alot of information out there on them, so the Swan community likes to help other potential swan owners out the best they can. I wish there would be some professional reviews done on these, but oh well.

Wow are you my mother or English teacher? haha oh geeze. And if your balls shrink because you feel like your being attacked and then complain about it, why would you then go and attack back? Your whole point becomes lost...If you think i attacked you please quote me where i attacked you so harshly? Please kindly do so Mr. Sensitive. No one ever attacked anyone for saying go with the Vertias....so again your on drugs. I was just being a smart a** to you for saying this was an advertisement for swan when your reply message could have been seen as just as much of an advertisement. So stop getting your panties all up in a bunch, and relax. I never said anything bad about the Veritas, in fact they look like great speakers.

Yeah i will have a merry christmas because i just got my new amp and will gladly enjoy them on the Swans:)


hmmmmm, Ok then. Whatever floats your boat. Didn't realize you were so sensitive about your Swans. Like I've said a few times already, I could care less. Just point me in the direction of those Veritas please.

And you're really doing well in defending your line btw - I'm sure Jon would be proud to have you as a spokesperson. Take it easy my man, it's the holidays, have a great Christmas BR - and enjoy that new amp!!!

looks like this thread has picked up steam:eek:.It appeared the OP asked a valid question. I am fairly sure this forum has members who have auditioned both at some point. The one person whom comes to mind is Craigsub, he had the 2.4's awhile back and I think he has recently heard the swans? He is always willing to help just send him a PM.
Cheers & Seasons Greeting, Billy P:)


Hey, sorry Billy, didn't mean to bring you up in it (no more heat on you though eh? :)).

The OP said noone was coming to say anything about Veritas - I've never heard Swans, but I do admit I stirred the pot a bit by posting originally how the Swan camp would bully anyone one who dared challenge the line, hence why no one was really saying anything, but I'm sure the response would have been the same anyway.

I'll stay out now - heaven forbid the thread gets shut down or locked. It is entertaining again though

BTW...in your first post of this thread, you didn't tell the guy to listen to the Veritas or that you assumed they were sonically superior. Is that because of your TAI fanboyism? ;) It is a two way street, right?
Well you are assuming quite a bit Cschang, try reading my first post, i said either of them were a good buy, However all i said was that i was quite happy with the 5.1s. As a matter of fact, i didnt purchase my Swans from TAI, so what might that be about fanboyism?

Also, i have heard the Veritas 2.2 and 2.4 at a local store (i much prefered the Monitor Golds over the Energy Veritas), however i wasn't going to generalize, since i didn't hear the 2.3s and nor did i hear the 2.2s or 2.4 in my own system to compare them with the swans.

i haven't seen a review for the 5.1s but here are 2 reviews for 2 other speakers in that line, 4.1 and 6.1)

Swan 4.1s http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_2/diva-swans-41-speakers-5-2001.html

Swan 6.1s http://www.stereotimes.com/speak121701.shtml

Well you are assuming quite a bit Cschang, try reading my first post, i said either of them were a good buy, However all i said was that i was quite happy with the 5.1s. As a matter of fact, i didnt purchase my Swans from TAI, so what might that be about fanboyism?

Also, i have heard the Veritas 2.2 and 2.4 and the a local store (i much prefered the Monitor Golds over the Energy Veritas), however i wasn't going to generalize, since i didn't hear the 2.3s and nor did i hear the 2.2s or 2.4 in my own system to compare them with the swans.
I can't make assumptions, but you can?

What you wrote in your first post(or any other post) is far from the point you were trying to make.

Well, try the swans 5.1s out (if you aren't aware of this, TAI only has the 5.1s in a vinyl finish, they no longer carry the rosewood version), it you don't like them, send them back and get the Veritas 2.3s. From what it sounds like they both match up well, respectively with their centers in their lines. You can find quite a few of us here that really enjoy our 5.1s, they are a very exceptional speaker! I wish i could comment on how they might compare with each other, but i have not heard the 2.3s...

You missed my point, The veritas are worth very much a listen, all i was saying is, the Energys are almost 3x the price of the swans price and generally speaking i would assume (without listening to them) they would be sonically superior. Also, the Swans are being cleared out at$549 not $1000.

You think those two posts say the same thing?

lol, are you wanting to argue semantics? There is not that much difference in those posts...imagine this Cschang, it was an elaboration as well as a response to other posts in this thread. Maybe we should ask you what is your agenda?

lol, are you wanting to argue semantics? There is not that much difference in those posts...imagine this Cschang, it was an elaboration as well as a response to other posts in this thread. Maybe we should ask you what is your agenda?
That's what you want to resort to...an agenda. It always seems to be called an "agenda" when something is said about Swans that is not positive.

The agenda(if you can call it that) is this...no one told him to compare, yet when someone implies that the Veritas is better, you jump on his case. Who has the agenda? No one said Swans are bad.

Look at my post again, where did I mention TAI for you to make your assumption of "anti-TAI propaganda".

There is not much different between those posts? No where in any post you made up until that post mention anything about assuming the Veritas was superior.

If I am reading it wrong, just point me to the other statement where one can derive the same meaning.

You DO seem to make a habit of making anti-Swan posts, is this just coincidence?

I really don't understand how B&M speaker stores are still in existance. It's a proven fact that the only way to truly judge a speaker is in your own listening room, so why bother with store auditions? Different acoustics, equipment, etc. renders such auditions marginally useful at best. I don't like to make blanket statements, but it seems that now virtually any B&M speaker brand can be equalled OR BETTERED by ID brands, and usually at a significant savings. Sorry, but I predict that the B&M speaker store will soon join the buggy whip stores as something that has outlived it's usefulness.

You DO seem to make a habit of making anti-Swan posts, is this just coincidence?
Show me? What anti-Swan posts? Or are you talking about the ID vs IR thing?

Aw, come on, your negative bias towards Swans seems to come through regardless. I don't have the time to sift through the numerous threads, but I certainly wouldn't classify you as a Swan fan!

hmmmmm, Ok then. Whatever floats your boat. Didn't realize you were so sensitive about your Swans. Like I've said a few times already, I could care less. Just point me in the direction of those Veritas please.

And you're really doing well in defending your line btw - I'm sure Jon would be proud to have you as a spokesperson. Take it easy my man, it's the holidays, have a great Christmas BR - and enjoy that new amp!!!

Sensitive about my swans? dude no one ever said anything bad about the swans so how am i being sensitive? you think your being coy and suave by making these crazy comments but your only looking like a douche.

And about defending my line? hahahaha wow. I have made no defensive stands on swans, no one said anything bad about them in order for me to defend about. All my statements have been about YOU being crazy, not about defending the speakers. ITS A SPEAKER! come on now.

Aw, come on, your negative bias towards Swans seems to come through regardless. I don't have the time to sift through the numerous threads, but I certainly wouldn't classify you as a Swan fan!
That's just it, if I don't say anything positive, it is viewed as an agenda against Swan. I have never heard a Swan speaker, other than a powered S200....which I like for its purpose.

edit: I did have the D2.1SE in my home too.

Got to go to a party. I am sure there will be much to repond to later. :)

Cool, glad to hear you liked at least one Swan product! I own Swans, and have been a frequent supporter of the brand, but I NEVER put down other brands while recommending mine! I have never negatively commented on AV123, Aperion, or even Ascends (!), but I do feel that Swans offer great sound, looks, and value. Why bash other brands, order a pair of whatever and make up your own mind.

Cschang,
Again you want to argue semantics... nothing new and not a suprise i must say. Yes my agenda is, that the OP should buy what sounds best to his ears and budget. As i stated before, either of the speakers were a good selection...then i went on to say that i owned the swans, that was it...

Again you are wrong and are reading what you want to see, I got on his case for implying that the veritas were clearly better we he had not heard the swans.

I didn't say the Veritas were sonically superior, but that i only hoped so considering their price.

Its pretty funny that you cant seem to see anti-TAI comments on your part? Do i really need to mention the GTG where people selected the acculines over your precious ascends?
Is this some sort of retaliation on your part (i don't actually expect you to answer that truthfully)?

I really don't understand how B&M speaker stores are still in existance. It's a proven fact that the only way to truly judge a speaker is in your own listening room, so why bother with store auditions? Different acoustics, equipment, etc. renders such auditions marginally useful at best. I don't like to make blanket statements, but it seems that now virtually any B&M speaker brand can be equalled OR BETTERED by ID brands, and usually at a significant savings. Sorry, but I predict that the B&M speaker store will soon join the buggy whip stores as something that has outlived it's usefulness.
I actually agree with this to a point. I think B&M will be forced to work with smaller margins.

Surely in this day and age we can put the myth of higher priced speakers being better behind us...!

Edit: Response to the comment that Veritas should sound better because of their price

Again you want to argue semantics... nothing new and not a suprise i must say. Yes my agenda is, that the OP should buy what sounds best to his ears and budget. As i stated before, either of the speakers were a good selection...then i went on to say that i owned the swans, that was it...

Again you are wrong and are reading what you want to see, I got on his case for implying that the veritas were clearly better we he had not heard the swans.

I didn't say the Veritas were sonically superior, but that i only hoped so considering their price.

Its pretty funny that you cant seem see anti-TAI comments Do i really need to mention the GTG where people selected the acculines over your precious ascends?
Is this some sort of retaliation on your part (i don't actually expect you to answer that truthfully)?
Oh brother.

Again...I read into things, but you don't.

BTW....I have had the Acculines here too....with non-Ascend owners listening as well....but I guess I have an agenda.

Sensitive about my swans? dude no one ever said anything bad about the swans so how am i being sensitive? you think your being coy and suave by making these crazy comments but your only looking like a douche.

And about defending my line? hahahaha wow. I have made no defensive stands on swans, no one said anything bad about them in order for me to defend about. All my statements have been about YOU being crazy, not about defending the speakers. ITS A SPEAKER! come on now.

Wow - you are quite the bully, aren't you? You can't post one thing without calling me a name. Quite mature of you. Tell me, what do you hope to accomplish? You're just proving my point every time you post something - keep it up. At the rate you're going Jon will demand his speakers back (trust me - you're not doing Swan on him or yourself any favours right now bigred).

So go ahead, keep on insulting me sir, if as i said before, that floats your boat - that makes you feel tough (like oh, I dunno - a bully) then great, go for it. After all - the Veritas IS in a different league entirely than the Swan line. That's a fact, not a made up thing by me. I don't need to hear the Swans to know that. But if the OP wants to ignore that, not realizing as someone else already mentioned - he could sell the Veritas and probably have money in his pocket AND Swans in his bedroom - then who am I to tell him not to.

I just want the Veritas 2.3's.. please let me know where you can get them that cheap, it is Christmas after all :D

[QUOTE=Kpt_Krunch;12580955]Wow - you are quite the bully, aren't you? You can't post one thing without calling me a name. Quite mature of you. Tell me, what do you hope to accomplish? You're just proving my point every time you post something - keep it up. At the rate you're going Jon will demand his speakers back (trust me - you're not doing Swan on him or yourself any favours right now bigred).

So go ahead, keep on insulting me sir, if as i said before, that floats your boat - that makes you feel tough (like oh, I dunno - a bully) then great, go for it. After all - the Veritas IS in a different league entirely than the Swan line. That's a fact, not a made up thing by me. I don't need to hear the Swans to know that. But if the OP wants to ignore that, not realizing as someone else already mentioned - he could sell the Veritas and probably have money in his pocket AND Swans in his bedroom - then who am I to tell him not to.

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hahaha you get me soooo good. Yes im a huge bully, give your your lunch money you douche. I'll call you all the names i want cause im not mature, im 21 i know im not mature so your not hurting my feelings. I will tell you what i hope to accomplish, i was trying to make fun of your very first post, i was sarcastic to you and you started to cry about it.


And trust me im not saying anything that has to do with Swans or Veritas, im saying its people like you on this forum that cry and get all upset and have to throw little hissy fits over things. If you think i have "hurt" the swan name with my comments good for you, its a forum no one cares dude. I could care less if you liked swans or Veritas, annnnnnd i dont know why you keep sayin g the Veritas are a BETTER speaker. I not once mentioned them to you. I keep asking you to quote where i originally bullied you and you could not. You just kept whinning so i called you a douche, if thats being a bully then sue me. And if Jon wants my speakers back for something that has to do with neither him or anyone else besides me and you then thats just wierd.

[QUOTE=Kpt_Krunch;12580955]Wow - you are quite the bully, aren't you? You can't post one thing without calling me a name. Quite mature of you. Tell me, what do you hope to accomplish? You're just proving my point every time you post something - keep it up. At the rate you're going Jon will demand his speakers back (trust me - you're not doing Swan on him or yourself any favours right now bigred).

So go ahead, keep on insulting me sir, if as i said before, that floats your boat - that makes you feel tough (like oh, I dunno - a bully) then great, go for it. After all - the Veritas IS in a different league entirely than the Swan line. That's a fact, not a made up thing by me. I don't need to hear the Swans to know that. But if the OP wants to ignore that, not realizing as someone else already mentioned - he could sell the Veritas and probably have money in his pocket AND Swans in his bedroom - then who am I to tell him not to.

/QUOTE]


hahaha you get me soooo good. Yes im a huge bully, give your your lunch money you douche. I'll call you all the names i want cause im not mature, im 21 i know im not mature so your not hurting my feelings. I will tell you what i hope to accomplish, i was trying to make fun of your very first post, i was sarcastic to you and you started to cry about it.


And trust me im not saying anything that has to do with Swans or Veritas, im saying its people like you on this forum that cry and get all upset and have to throw little hissy fits over things. If you think i have "hurt" the swan name with my comments good for you, its a forum no one cares dude. I could care less if you liked swans or Veritas, annnnnnd i dont know why you keep sayin g the Veritas are a BETTER speaker. I not once mentioned them to you. I keep asking you to quote where i originally bullied you and you could not. You just kept whinning so i called you a douche, if thats being a bully then sue me. And if Jon wants my speakers back for something that has to do with neither him or anyone else besides me and you then thats just wierd.

LOL - I'm crying, whining am I? Having a hissy fit? If I were you, I'd read our posts back, who's doing the crying? Who's doing all the insulting? But don't stop, you're giving me a good laugh. What am I doing now btw - would love your interpretation of this post - I must be steaming, I must be going crazy. Actually, I'm just killing time waiting to make sure my son is fast asleep before I put the presents out if you really want to know - and you're the best time killer I've read in quite awhile.

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LOL - I'm crying, whining am I? Having a hissy fit? If I were you, I'd read our posts back, who's doing the crying? Who's doing all the insulting? But don't stop, you're giving me a good laugh. What am I doing now btw - would love your interpretation of this post - I must be steaming, I must be going crazy. Actually, I'm just killing time waiting to make sure my son is fast asleep before I put the presents out if you really want to know - and you're the best time killer I've read in quite awhile.

sweet i was thinking your a great time killer as well. If your so much older and more mature you would have stopped this hours ago. But oh well. So what i called you names, you said i was bullying you when i was not, so i called you a douche, its what i do, im cool like that. Now please give me your lunch money i need to buy a center channel. What speakers do you have anyway? just wondering? Do you own Veritas or swans? if not, your posts in this thread mean nothing. At least i own one of the speakers in question.

This is the best thread of 2007. My vote anyway.

Like mgoode I am trying to build a system, but for a basement home theater. It is my birthday today and I am going to use that and the celebration of the birth of Jesus to the limit of the WAF. I am going to need to make a decision soon while she is drunk on eggnog and Shiraz. I am not going to have time audition stuff and must rely to some extent on user opinions. This seems to be a better place to look for those opinions than company forums.

I got a Onkyo SR705 WAF approved yesterday. A projector was approved before remodeling the basement. Now I just need some speakers. How about just the mains. Just two peakers to start with. I think I am begining to crack under the pressure.

I have been looking at these, both the Veritas and Swans...., EDs, Athenas, classifieds, what have you. Everyone seems happy with whatever they bought.

Both of these speakers seem like good options but the deal on the Swans is really good, after all, price point is important. It does tend to have a significant influence on the WAF.

It gets frustrating reading all this for a few juicy tidbits of info that might help someone make a decision.

sweet i was thinking your a great time killer as well. If your so much older and more mature you would have stopped this hours ago. But oh well. So what i called you names, you said i was bullying you when i was not, so i called you a douche, its what i do, im cool like that. Now please give me your lunch money i need to buy a center channel. What speakers do you have anyway? just wondering? Do you own Veritas or swans? if not, your posts in this thread mean nothing. At least i own one of the speakers in question.

So, you don't consider name calling bullying, eh? What would you call it then?

And as I've said - I've heard the Veritas line - haven't owned them, but heard them. The 2.4i's retail for $5500 here - my guess is it's around $4000 in the US. And btw - for full retail price - they compete very well in their price. I haven't heard the Swans - don't need too. If they're the same price, you buy the Veritas. Sell 'em if you dont like them, buy the Swans, and keep the extra dough you make for something else. Thread closed. Telling someone to buy buy the Swans over the Veritas for the same price is like telling someone to buy a Ford over a Porsche for the same price. Same analogy - if you don't like Porsches, you buy it anyway, sell it, buy your Ford, and use the extra money to beef the Ford up. Simple really - no need for three pages of this.

I'm just very glad you proved my point in my first post - all I did was tell the OP why no one has bothered trumpeting the Veritas line - #1 - you'll just get flamed by Swan fan boys (thanks for proving that for me), and #2 - the Veritas line can stand on it's own very well - it doesn't need anyone to hype it up. And its readily available at a lot of mid-fi and hi-fi shops around North America for anyone to go in an listen to them - you certainly don't need to read anything I or anyone else says about them.

Its too bad you can't get your point across without the added verbage - as you had said earlier, it's just speakers - so why all the hostility?

oops, I forgot - you asked me what I own. You own Swans... take a guess as to what I own :)

So, you don't consider name calling bullying, eh? What would you call it then?

And as I've said - I've heard the Veritas line - haven't owned them, but heard them. The 2.4i's retail for $5500 here - my guess is it's around $4000 in the US. And btw - for full retail price - they compete very well in their price. I haven't heard the Swans - don't need too. If they're the same price, you buy the Veritas. Sell 'em if you dont like them, buy the Swans, and keep the extra dough you make for something else. Thread closed. Telling someone to buy buy the Swans over the Veritas for the same price is like telling someone to buy a Ford over a Porsche for the same price. Same analogy - if you don't like Porsches, you buy it anyway, sell it, buy your Ford, and use the extra money to beef the Ford up. Simple really - no need for three pages of this.

I'm just very glad you proved my point in my first post - all I did was tell the OP why no one has bothered trumpeting the Veritas line - #1 - you'll just get flamed by Swan fan boys (thanks for proving that for me), and #2 - the Veritas line can stand on it's own very well - it doesn't need anyone to hype it up. And its readily available at a lot of mid-fi and hi-fi shops around North America for anyone to go in an listen to them - you certainly don't need to read anything I or anyone else says about them.

Its too bad you can't get your point across without the added verbage - as you had said earlier, it's just speakers - so why all the hostility?


Cool but i never said buy the swans over the Vertias, i said i own the swans and i like them. He asked opinions on the two i said i liked my swans. You called this thread an ad for swans, and in the same message i said one could call your message an ad for Veritas, so yeah. After that before i even called you names you said that was bullying and attacking. I bullied and attacked you after the fact (might as well have since i could not convince you i wasnt, yeah thats how i roll). I even defended Billy P....so to assume i bullied you because im a swan fanboy is down right dumb...i think when people make stupid comments like you did then i think sarcastic replies should be given(which i did do) And in no way could i be called a Swan fanboy. I said i didnt even like the swans without seperates. Once added i liked them. I even said they lacked in certain areas, so your crazy to think im a fanboy, i mean dude i just got these speakers like a week ago...I just think you thought my sarcasm to you was a threat or something and you got all whacked out about it.
Im not sure what you own, you dont own Veritas, you dont own swans, what do you like??? wait...Bose. thats my official guess, put me down ok?


P.S. you never proved any points. neither have i since its only been me and you posting back and forth, so your making rather subjetive claims stating you proved your point...possibly in your brain, but not in real life sir. And im not hostile, i call you names like douche, that is not being hostile, its my 21 year old mind saying what i think. I mean i call my best friends much worse. Now if i said your a punk a** B*tch im gonna pop a cap in you, lol that is hostile and threatening. But im enjoyin arguing with you, since i have yet to get into it with anyone on the forum yet, its nice. But in all seriousness im sure your a great guy with the same hobby as me, i just disagreed with how you stated something so i made fun of you. So im sorry i came off as "bullying or attacking" because that was never my intention until you just kept going on with it. Now i think this has all become pointless and stupid, but everyone likes to argue sometimes right? So sorry for all the hostility it all got out of hand. And really what equipment do you own? i just started trying to build bang for the buck since im a college student and dont have alot of skrill, greens, cheddar, money or whatever you want to call it. :)

I knew these hostilities would subside and the real spirit of the Christmas would eventually take over and cooler heads prevail:cool:.

I knew these hostilities would subside and the real spirit of the Christmas would eventually take over and cooler heads prevail:cool:.


haha touche sir

The Veritas are awesome speakers. I know cause I heard them extensively. If I could get a good deal on them I'd jump on them right away. Never heard the Swans but at this point it's so subjective which is a better speaker. The Veritas have been reviewed and they measure very well, and have had good writeups, so you can't go wrong if you chose these

a couple of things for mgoode & nimblor on the swans.

I have several models of the swan speakers and probably by many would be considered a swan fan. Nimblor concerning the 5.1s, I feel they would make for a nice pair of fronts especially when paired with the c3, a very nice center channel. Also you would need a good sub. I like the Hsu brand subs and you could check with them for the appropiate size for your new home theater room. The 5.1s would be a nice start your home theater, just remember your going to hear and feel a big improvement when you a add the sub and center channel as the 5.1s were designed to be with in hometheater .

Mgoode, while I wouldn't dissuade you from the 5.1s for your bedroom, for me it would be overkill. The 5.1s to me, perform best at moderate to louder levels and I use a low to moderate level in the bedroom. For my purposes I wouldn't use any tower in the bedroom.

a couple of things for mgoode & nimblor on the swans.

I have several models of the swan speakers and probably by many would be considered a swan fan. Nimblor concerning the 5.1s, I feel they would make for a nice pair of fronts especially when paired with the c3, a very nice center channel. Also you would need a good sub. I like the Hsu brand subs and you could check with them for the appropiate size for your new home theater room. The 5.1s would be a nice start your home theater, just remember your going to hear and feel a big improvement when you a add the sub and center channel as the 5.1s were designed to be with in hometheater .

Mgoode, while I wouldn't dissuade you from the 5.1s for your bedroom, for me it would be overkill. The 5.1s to me, perform best at moderate to louder levels and I use a low to moderate level in the bedroom. For my purposes I wouldn't use any tower in the bedroom.


haha it is way overkill in a bedroom. But i still bought the 5.1's anyway becaues im only in a college apartment at the moment. I'll be moving soon, so for me the 5.1's were a good choice. Oh and i listen at crazy volume levels in my room, but then again its probably because im a college student wanting to have a rock concert 24/7. They do work well in my current room non the less and im happy with it. Although if i were in a more permanant living situation i would have looked into some bookshelves likes the Dana's or i might have gone with some Vienna Haydns if i wanted to shell out some serious dough

This thread is amazing. I've become used to hostility and endless bickering on this forum (don't like it but it seems to be the norm these days) but wow, you guys took it to a new level. Glad to see it seems to be cooling down a bit.

Nimblor -- happy birthday! Mine's tomorrow. :)

You know, if you're just starting out building your first system, I really feel you can't go wrong with Swan, Energy, and many other good brands both ID and B&M (though I'm rather partial to buying ID and readily admit it). I do strongly recommend a good solid audition before buying used, but if it's a good deal and the speakers are in excellent condition, you kinda can't go wrong. You can always resell on a'gon. Then again you usually get the money-back guarantee with ID brands so that's good, unless you're buying on a sale that specifically says no returns.

As for overkill... Until I got my Dana 930s I was running Swan 5.2s in my 11' square bedroom/HT/mixing studio, and if you haven't seen these things in person, they are freaking HUGE. Overkill? Absolutely. And I love it!! :D The Danas at least look more at home in my small space being standmounts, though they sound like an excellent pair of floorstanders, but I'm still getting the 980is when they come out. Now THAT is overkill! And why not. :)

Happy Holidaze all.

the reality is that many people pretty much have their mind made up...but there are lingering doubts. They will post here to get a little reinforcement to prop up their decision. That's why I think you see a fair number of people asking, "speaker A or B?", and then "making a decision" after only a few posts. They aren't here for the be-all and end-all debate...they just want a little push over the cliff that they're already standing on.

The tin-foil-hat mentality is just hilarious though. It's amazing what people will read into things when they want to believe something.

Happy Kwanza!

the reality is that many people pretty much have their mind made up...but there are lingering doubts. They will post here to get a little reinforcement to prop up their decision. That's why I think you see a fair number of people asking, "speaker A or B?", and then "making a decision" after only a few posts. They aren't here for the be-all and end-all debate...they just want a little push over the cliff that they're already standing on.

The tin-foil-hat mentality is just hilarious though. It's amazing what people will read into things when they want to believe something.

Happy Kwanza!

that is soooooo accurate! and im sorry this all got out of hand, it was waaay stupid. haha kwanza gotta love it

I guess everyone does lean some way.

I have to admit that I have been leaning towards eDs for a while now. A6-MTM towers with an A6 MTM center and surrounds and A5-350 sub. All together they are under $1500 shipped which is key.

Every so often deals pop up though. Like with the swan 5.1. I could go for the swans but I would have to give up on the surrounds and probably the sub for the time being. Getting the WAF up high enough to get a sub and surrounds after the bills for the mains come in would be a daunting task.

I know that if I don't pull the trigger soon, landscaping or other so called priorities might surface and dash my HT dreams. God forbid I go to a store tomorrow to try to listen to speakers I am sure it is going to be a mad house out there.

Panasonic PTAX200U Projector on deck
124" screen on wall
Onkyo TX-SR705S on deck
Speakers #@$!

that is soooooo accurate! and im sorry this all got out of hand, it was waaay stupid. haha kwanza gotta love it
Well...be glad that it is out in the open. So much dishonesty goes on in PM's and email.

I think questioning one's intentions out in the open is a good thing.

I auditioned Swan 4.2s side by side with my Rocket RS450s. It was an easy decision to return the Divas.

I've never heard the Veritas.

I auditioned Swan 4.2s side by side with my Rocket RS450s. It was an easy decision to return the Divas.

I've never heard the Veritas.

what differences did you find between them? What made it so easy? Have you posted the comparison on a different thread, i'd like to read it! thanks!

Im not sure what you own, you dont own Veritas, you dont own swans, what do you like??? wait...Bose. thats my official guess, put me down ok?
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So sorry for all the hostility it all got out of and. And really what equipment do you own? i just started trying to build bang for the buck since im a college student and dont have alot of skrill, greens, cheddar, money or whatever you want to call it. :)

Well - first off - apology accepted if you accept mine - I admit I baited you a bit. I was bored (not an excuse) and the way you were acting, I didn't think you were bothered too much by it all. I was actually having fun, it certainly made for a lot of interesting reading for a lot of people. ;)

Ok - for the gear I currently have:

Main system - I do have Energy, but not the Vertias line. I actually preferred (for the money) their RC line. (Reference Connossieur series. RC-70's, LCR, and RC-10's for the side).

I also have Ascends (340's and 170's - classic series) and Polks (RT800i's, and CS400i - no sides.

And ..... you're half right about Bose :(. I do have a Bose system, though it's in my truck and came with the vehicle. I listen to talk radio mostly (Jim Rome) when driving and turn the treble all the way up, bass all the way down.

As for your current situation - I'd stick with what you own. If it plays loud, that's what you'll want. As you get older, and make a lot of money after you graduate - you'll be able to really invest in this hobby. Be warned though - there's no end in sight. You'll never be truly happy - especially hanging around here. There's always something better out there.

Hope you had a great Christmas BR!

glad you accept my apology as i accept yours. And nice speaks you got there. how much did those Reference Connoisseur's cost you if you dont mind? They look sweet, im sure sound great to. I'll be driving to St. Louis soon and was going to give some Viennas a listen, i'll have to stop by one of the Energy dealers there and give them a listen since they seem to be liked so much. I'll post some impressions after i do it :)

glad you accept my apology as i accept yours. And nice speaks you got there. how much did those Reference Connoisseur's cost you if you dont mind? They look sweet, im sure sound great to. I'll be driving to St. Louis soon and was going to give some Viennas a listen, i'll have to stop by one of the Energy dealers there and give them a listen since they seem to be liked so much. I'll post some impressions after i do it :)

Please do - even if you don't like them. Though, to be honest I don't think anyone would not 'like' the Energy's per say, but whether they'd like them enough to buy 'em is a different matter altogether :)

It's tough to give you a quote as being in Canada we're charged alot more for speakers. The Energy's list for 20% more here then they do in the US - and I got in on a sale and had a price match less 10% of the difference to boot - so in US dollars I probably paid about $1900 for the whole set give or take a couple of hundred $'s.

Please do - even if you don't like them. Though, to be honest I don't think anyone would not 'like' the Energy's per say, but whether they'd like them enough to buy 'em is a different matter altogether :)

It's tough to give you a quote as being in Canada we're charged alot more for speakers. The Energy's list for 20% more here then they do in the US - and I got in on a sale and had a price match less 10% of the difference to boot - so in US dollars I probably paid about $1900 for the whole set give or take a couple of hundred $'s.

im pretty sure i'll like them. There isnt to many speakers out there that i absolutely cant stand. And actually if that price is accurate thats not a bad deal, they look great.