Maybe this could be of some interest... ;)

http://www.htprojectors.com/indexENG.asp

http://www.htprojectors.com/htprojectors/preload.asp?ID=253&PROD=3503

A rebadged RS1? :)

Maybe better? :cool::cool:

Should prove interesting.

I have a Pioneer 64" CRT RPTV that is almost 5 years old now and I haven't had a lick of trouble with it. It's images are still phenomenal and I've not had to make any brightness adjustments to account for all of the hours of usage that have transpired over the years.

I also am aware that Pioneer plasmas are regarded (especially the elites) as if not the best, then right near the top.

I've always wondered why Pioneer doesn't manufacture projectors. With their track record with other display technologies, I am confident that if/when they do decide to do this and this moment has apparently arrived, then they will no doubt be a formidable force.

I'm looking forward with anticipation to CES! :)

Wayne

Andrea,

It wouldn't suprise me if someone came out with some new technology. I'm thinking a non fixed pixed device that does unlimited resolution. It's coming

A rebadged RS1? :)

A rebadged RS1 with better color customization options, 1080p over component, and a VGA port please. ;)

I'd like a VGA port too :)

1080p over component, and a VGA port please. ;)
Id like to see that as well. My VW200 only takes 1080i as well via component.

Why not RS2, RS3 or RS4?

Tryg
Why would you want crts back now with 1080p in place. Why not have fixed pixel displays when that is more or less what we have for the source. If I could order anything it would be 4-panel designs with unlimited dynamic range and a laser to go. :)

What benefit comes with a VGA port? (pardon my ignorance:rolleyes:)

Computer hookup, lacking in the JVCs.

I thought you can hook up a PC easily via HDMI?

I thought you can hook up a PC easily via HDMI?

Surfing the net at 1080p kills the eyes. Most everything is sized for 80 or 1024.
But you are correct the die hard can use use one of the HDMI inputs.

Andrea,

It wouldn't suprise me if someone came out with some new technology. I'm thinking a non fixed pixed device that does unlimited resolution. It's coming

Tryg,
I don't think that Pioneer can risk (for the same reason mystery pointed out) to become the icebreaker for a new technology: it's easier to think to something more... established!

A rebadged RS1 with better color customization options, 1080p over component, and a VGA port please. ;)

The strange think is that no one is mentioning Sharp and its DLP... why? :cool:
But in any case maybe a RS1 is not cream of the crop, at present...

I'd like a VGA port too :)
Let me tell you a short story.
I have 2 HTPCs, one with a RAdeon and the other with NVidia graphic cards. Both have DVI outputs, but the newer cards I'm aware of do have directly HDMI outputs, so avoiding the dangerous adapters (I could tell horror stories about them).
But I'm fed up with HTPC and their basic instability, so I decided to steal my son's Xbox (I hate games!) and connect it to its HD DVD: as you know, first version lacks HDMI output. I needed to make some tests, so I just run the component output to my receiver (that performs a component-HDMI conversion).
You know what? I did appreciate the lacking of harshness I found in the combination of digital conversion up to the projector. Surely less sharp than the Blu-ray, but more CRT-like... So a component with 1080p could be an interesting alternative...

This is state of the art technology as seen at June 2007 InfoComm in Anaheim:


http://www.htprojectors.com/htprojectors/IMG/InfoComm_2007/DSC04883_b.jpg


http://www.htprojectors.com/htprojectors/IMG/InfoComm_2007/DSC04886_b.jpg


Although this is laser, it should be a great step forward in terms of technology... :D I'd think more conservative!

Is it a Sharp with Leds?

I mean, they are not reinventing the wheel (as you said), just getting rid of it!

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1115/archlampcompareforwebrg9.jpg

Anyone want to bet against a dummy display at CES. the case and lens under glass with the american Pioneer folks relatively clueless about the specifics?

The strange think is that no one is mentioning Sharp and its DLP... why? :cool:
But in any case maybe a RS1 is not cream of the crop, at present...

With Sharp now being a majority owner of Pioneer my reaction was that

1) With rumours of Sharp leaving the home market they may position Pioneer as their consumer oriented A/V brand
2) The new Pioneer PJ could be a rebadge of a new or older Sharp platform
3) Both Sharp and Pioneer could have versions of this model
5) None of the above

I will add that from the picture the form factor does look a lot like a JVC,

Andrea, do you know anything more about this development and simply can't share more information? Or are you just speculating along with the rest of us?

Should be an interesting week to say the least. :)

I bet the case is done in piano black.

Andrea, do you know anything more about this development and simply can't share more information? Or are you just speculating along with the rest of us?

Honestly: I have some info that are "one" of the solutions that have been said, but I'm absolutely not sure about "when", "which" and "if" the UFO will land. In other words, no NDA at this moment!
More, there's a chance that Pioneer will not show the projector at their booth, and organize only private sessions to do that.
Maybe, as Alan says, the only thing that is granted is that the color will be... Kuro! :p

With Sharp now being a majority owner of Pioneer my reaction was that

1) With rumours of Sharp leaving the home market they may position Pioneer as their consumer oriented A/V brand
2) The new Pioneer PJ could be a rebadge of a new or older Sharp platform
3) Both Sharp and Pioneer could have versions of this model
5) None of the above

I will add that from the picture the form factor does look a lot like a JVC,

Andrea, do you know anything more about this development and simply can't share more information? Or are you just speculating along with the rest of us?

Andrea

Your initial comments on Sharp and JVC and subsequent response to the above suggests at least to me that scenarios 1,2, or 3 are more likely than Pioneer offering their version of a JVC

New Pi......Specification

表示デバイス フルハイビジョンD-ILAデバイス
パネルサイズ 0.7型×3（16：9）
パネル解像度 1920×1080
レンズ 2倍電動ズーム・フォーカスレンズ
f=21.3～42.6mm F=3.2～4.3
レンズシフト 上下80％、左右34％
投影サイズ 60型～200型
光源ランプ 200W 超高圧水銀ランプ
輝度 600lm
コントラスト 30,000：1
ビデオ入力端子 HDMI 2系統
コンポ－ネント端子（3RCA）1系統
S端子（ミニDIN4ピン）1系統
コンポジット端子（1RCA）1系統
コントロール端子 RS-232C（D-Sub9ピン）
対応入力信号 ビデオ信号 480i/p,576i/p,720p60/50,1080i60/50,1080p60/50/24
NTSC/NTSC4.43/PAL/PAL-M/PAL-N/SECAM
PC信号 VGA/SVGA/XGA/SXGA　※
騒音レベル 24dB
消費電力 280W（スタンバイ時　2.7W）
本体寸法 （W）455×（H）172.5×（D）418.5mm
本体質量 11.6kg


very simple are the same of........

New Pi......Specification

表示デバイス フルハイビジョンD-ILAデバイス
パネルサイズ 0.7型×3（16：9）
パネル解像度 1920×1080
レンズ 2倍電動ズーム・フォーカスレンズ
f=21.3～42.6mm F=3.2～4.3
レンズシフト 上下80％、左右34％
投影サイズ 60型～200型
光源ランプ 200W 超高圧水銀ランプ
輝度 600lm
コントラスト 30,000：1
ビデオ入力端子 HDMI 2系統
コンポ－ネント端子（3RCA）1系統
S端子（ミニDIN4ピン）1系統
コンポジット端子（1RCA）1系統
コントロール端子 RS-232C（D-Sub9ピン）
対応入力信号 ビデオ信号 480i/p,576i/p,720p60/50,1080i60/50,1080p60/50/24
NTSC/NTSC4.43/PAL/PAL-M/PAL-N/SECAM
PC信号 VGA/SVGA/XGA/SXGA　※
騒音レベル 24dB
消費電力 280W（スタンバイ時　2.7W）
本体寸法 （W）455×（H）172.5×（D）418.5mm
本体質量 11.6kg


very simple are the same of........

Specs look like a JVC RS/2

:p

:p

So in theory the new Pioneer performance should be the same as the JVC but in practice (i.e. with Pioneer tweaking) it will be better?

So in theory the new Pioneer performance should be the same as the JVC but in practice (i.e. with Pioneer tweaking) it will be better?

Lets hope so! :D

The really big question is whether it will be Pioneer or Pioneer Elite, or both.

Specs look like a JVC RS/2

Yeah, totally. Isn't JVC the only company to use the term D-ILA for LCoS?
Sounds like an RS2 with a VGA input judging from the specs.

New Pi......Specification

表示デバイス フルハイビジョンD-ILAデバイス
パネルサイズ 0.7型×3（16：9）
パネル解像度 1920×1080
レンズ 2倍電動ズーム・フォーカスレンズ
f=21.3～42.6mm F=3.2～4.3
レンズシフト 上下80％、左右34％
投影サイズ 60型～200型
光源ランプ 200W 超高圧水銀ランプ
輝度 600lm
コントラスト 30,000：1
ビデオ入力端子 HDMI 2系統
コンポ－ネント端子（3RCA）1系統
S端子（ミニDIN4ピン）1系統
コンポジット端子（1RCA）1系統
コントロール端子 RS-232C（D-Sub9ピン）
対応入力信号 ビデオ信号 480i/p,576i/p,720p60/50,1080i60/50,1080p60/50/24
NTSC/NTSC4.43/PAL/PAL-M/PAL-N/SECAM
PC信号 VGA/SVGA/XGA/SXGA　※
騒音レベル 24dB
消費電力 280W（スタンバイ時　2.7W）
本体寸法 （W）455×（H）172.5×（D）418.5mm
本体質量 11.6kg

Oh awesome, i've always been a fan of Pioneer :)

So in theory the new Pioneer performance should be the same as the JVC but in practice (i.e. with Pioneer tweaking) it will be better?

Hopefully it could be...

Are they rebadging the RS1/2 or are they just using the chip? I would like to see some manufacturers take JVC's chip and develop their own projector. Canon seemed to do a good job of designing their own projector with JVC's old chip.

add a full CMS and im in.

doesnt faroudja/meridian do a modded version of various jvc pjs; would a pio... be a 3rd version? or am i way off base here? its hard to keep track of some of these pjs.:D

Canon seemed to do a good job of designing their own projector with JVC's old chip.

A Canon representative I spoke to at June's InfoComm, when I said "What a pity you don't insist with HT projectors!" told me that they don't seem to be interested in that area anymore... FWIW

Andrea,
That is unfortunate. I thought Canon and their pjs had a lot of potential.

Same opinion. Just look at their lenses... but evidently they've not been caught by the HT virus...:D

It's CES time. No Press Releases on the proj,. though Pioneer had many other press releases. Google search got nada.

Yes... but maybe you'd like to know this...

http://www.htprojectors.com

http://www.htprojectors.com/htprojectorsENG/preload.asp?ID=253&PROD=3513

Take a look!

Hi Andrea - interesting stuff. I've read a bit about it elsewhere - it sounds like they are turning off black pixels. What would be interesting is what happens in the shadow detail areas - do we have a nice fade to black, or is there a large gap between black and the next brightest level. That image on your site looks nice though.

Hi tryingtimes!
Whatever they are doing, they do it very well...
As far a demo might say (few and not controlled images), I've never seen such an "absence of light": objects were really "exploding" from the background, and there was no interruption between the ambient and the area of the screen with black. Believe me, it was astonishing!

Excellent - it's a shame that Plasma can't be a projection technology :)

Yes, things like these could be very interesting...:)

http://www.htprojectors.com/htprojectors/img/CES_2008/DSC07575_b.jpg

We need this in a digital FP:)

Good reports Andreas, thank you!

Is that a RS2 on the right? :D

This looks exactly like the demo when JVC compared the Pearl to the RS1. Both had 15000:1 and the JVC was on the right

Tryg. Its Hillary on the left and McCain on the right. :)

Is that a RS2 on the right? :D

This looks exactly like the demo when JVC compared the Pearl to the RS1. Both had 15000:1 and the JVC was on the right

Believe me, I know the JVC quite well (both the units) and this is another stuff... :cool: I wish I could see this (or not see...) in a FP, really!

Believe me, I know the JVC quite well (both the units) and this is another stuff... :cool: I wish I could see this (or not see...) in a FP, really!

The Predecessor of Plasma+Phospher Tech has already been tried in Front Projection. It's called CRT, and you need a very large phospher area to get decent lumens. It's unlikely we will ever see a mainstream digital that uses phospher.

My money is on raster style scanning lasers.

I had one 7", 2 8" and 3 9" CRTs, so I can agree with what you say...;)
But as far as now, black level is still an issue with digital, and it's quite difficult having one. I had to destroy (literally) one of the 9" because I couldn't find, Curt Palme included, its power supply. No power supply, no projector... and no images! So everyone has to go digital, and what I saw it's a clear hope for digital as class of devices.

I think we will see more displays in the next few years that can do true black - i.e. the complete absence of light. Locally dimmed LED backlights for LCD, scanning lasers, OLED and others should be capable of very high or infinite CRs.

There was a 500,000:1 CR thrown about by the DLP camp at CES for an RPTV - wonder if / when we'll see that for FP?

Maybe this is not a Pioneer, and maybe it's not high end... but I think it's really cool!

http://www.htprojectors.com//htprojectors/img/CES_2008/DSC08297_b.jpg

According to my pioneer rep talking by cell phone from his stint at the Pioneer CES display, the projector was not on display and he knew absolutely nothing about it.

Yes, same response I had from the Pioneer representative I mentioned in the link above. We'll see in the next future what will happen! :cool:

The next future is always the future for me. :) How near the next future will be is the question. :)

The next future is always the future for me. :) How near the next future will be is the question. :)

I like that:)

Yeah, but I'm not a philosopher... nor a Pioneer executive! :D
Talking about "near = end 0f 2008, starting of 2009", take a look at this, that no one seems to having noticed...

http://www.htprojectors.com/htprojectors/preload.asp?ID=253&PROD=3517

This is quoted from Twice:


Las Vegas — Sharp and Pioneer said it was unlikely either company would introduce products in the United States this year based on their co-development deal signed last fall.

...

Tom Haga, chairman/CEO of Pioneer Electronics USA, told TWICE at CES that plans for product introductions based on the agreement were not set and a decision was not made on which categories Pioneer and Sharp will collaborate on.

But Haga added, “I don’t expect any product introductions in the U.S. during the 2008 calendar year.” Europe should see the first introduction later this year, and plans for Japan were “unclear,” he said.

...

Haga said that more information may be available at the beginning of the new fiscal year for both companies, April 1.

Spring is in the air....

http://www.avmagazine.it/news/videoproiettori/d-ila-pioneer-le-prime-immagini_3078.html

Let's hope Pioneer does something to it other than prying off the JVC emblem with a screwdriver and putting a 'Pioneer' sticker over the hole! :rolleyes:

So, after 2 months, this wasn't rubbish...

http://www.htprojectors.com/htprojectors/preload.asp?ID=253&PROD=3502

It's CES time. No Press Releases on the proj,. though Pioneer had many other press releases. Google search got nada.

Sometimes I can say that some kind of news comes really in advance...

This is my first post here on this thread, on Dec. 27, 2007:


A new Pion..r front projector?
Maybe this could be of some interest...

http://www.htprojectors.com/indexENG.asp

http://www.htprojectors.com/htprojec...=253&PROD=3503


http://www.htprojectors.com/htprojectors/img/NEWS/Pioneer%20CES2008-3_b.jpg


This is Smartbrief, May 7, 2008:




Pioneer Expands KURO Display Strategy Beyond Living Room Delivering New 1080p Projector Technology for Home Cinema

May 07, 2008 8:00 AM CDT

New High-Definition Elite Projector Embodies Unrivaled KURO Performance and Evokes Emotional Entertainment Experiences

NEW YORK-- (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. today announces that it is expanding its KURO strategy across new display technologies to meet the needs of the most discerning entertainment connoisseurs. Just as KURO high-definition televisions have set the standard in the home theater, Pioneer® will enter the home cinema market with the introduction of its new Elite® KURO projector, delivering the same industry-leading black levels and 1080p picture performance that have become synonymous with the brand.

KURO stands for the industry’s richest, most detailed and pristine picture. The Elite KURO Projector was designed to take this core philosophy and emotional experience beyond the living room and into high-end home cinema, where larger screen sizes reign supreme. Developed specifically for the custom-install market, the Elite KURO projector is configured for high-end cinematic installations and supports advanced calibration. The projector features various viewing modes – standard, dynamic and movie – that incorporate the KURO benchmark of deep black levels and rich color as well as signature Elite KURO cosmetics.

“We have built upon the success of our KURO plasma displays designed for the HD home theater consumer and are now addressing the custom HD home cinema consumer,” said Russ Johnston, executive vice president of marketing and product planning, home entertainment business solutions group for Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. “Our customers are entertainment connoisseurs; they crave that total immersive experience that leaves you on the edge of your seat. The introduction of our new Elite projector is a perfect compliment to our KURO line of displays and answers a need within the market for high-end cinematic installations.”

Designed for dedicated home cinema rooms, the Elite KURO projector incorporates LCoS 1080p technology which produces one of the highest native contrast ratios and superlative picture performance. These attributes include deep blacks, rich colors and the unmistakable look of film. Pioneer’s first consumer projector introduction, the Elite KURO Projector features a wide lens shift capacity, dual HDMI 1.3 support, and a wide range of other precise adjustments to produce the finest picture possible.

Pioneer’s Elite KURO projector will begin shipping in June 2008 for a suggested price of $9,000 and will be available via Pioneer’s Elite dealer channel.

Pioneer’s Home Entertainment and Business Solutions Group develops high definition home theater equipment for discerning entertainment junkies. Its flat panel televisions, Blu-ray Disc players, A/V receivers and speakers bring a new level of emotion to the HD experience. The company brands include Pioneer® and Elite®. When purchased from an authorized retailer, consumers receive a limited warranty for one year with Pioneer products and two years with Pioneer Elite products. More details can be located at www.pioneerelectronics.com.


Maybe we at HTProjectors were quite right! :D

Let's hope Pioneer does something to it other than prying off the JVC emblem with a screwdriver and putting a 'Pioneer' sticker over the hole! :rolleyes:

Our understanding here is that a badge swap is all that will be taking place. I guess we'll have to wait (maybe until CEDIA) before we get confirmation.

you mean a badge swap and a slightly more north price tag.

you mean a badge swap and a slightly more north price tag.
Potentially deeper discount may even that out.