Question:

If your Projector is only capable of showing 720P/1080i is it then a [Total-Waste-of-Money] to Purchase any BR/HD DVD Player ???? :confused:

On the front end it seems to me that the reason to purchase a BR/HD DVD Player is to have the ability to watch a 1080P Picture. As I understand it the only TRUE-SOURCES for 1080P is either BR/HD DVD Players.

If in my case my Projector can only show 720p/1080i then it would seem to me that I would never see the real benefit of either Format High Definition DVD Player.

I'm sure I have "Repeated" the question here more than once but I am trying to make sure that another member reading this understands what I am really asking.

So pardon me for over asking and repeating the same question. :o

I would and do hope that there will be some members out there that are the experts that will read and reply to this Thread.

Thanks for your Replies !!!!

BTW, I think the answer is OBVIOUS but I would like to make sure that I am on the correct thinking regarding this. Would really hate to spend money for a or any High Definition DVD Player and then find out that I would never actually see the benefit of watching a 1080p picture when my projector only has the ability to project 720p/1080i.

Terry

A very Enthusiastic HT Member.

I am sick and tired of the word "true" being used to describe high definition resolutions. True 1080p? As opposed to false 1080p? What the hell? This is just all marketing propaganda to get people to spend more money on 1080p native devices.

Your projector is high-definition. 720p, 1080i, and 1080p are all high definition resolutions. I have been happily watching HD material on my Optoma HD70 720p native projector for almost a year now and I have no intention to buy a 1080p projector. Get a decent HD or BD player, set it to 720p output and prepare to be amazed.

BTW, I think the answer is OBVIOUS but I would like to make sure that I am on the correct thinking regarding this. Would really hate to spend money for a or any High Definition DVD Player and then find out that I would never actually see the benefit of watching a 1080p picture when my projector only has the ability to project 720p/1080i.

Terry

A very Enthusiastic HT Member.
Exactly what "benefit" are you hoping to achieve with 1080p, especially over 1080i? You do know the resolution of both is the same? The only difference is how the lines are scanned.

As far as 720p, with BD or HD-DVD, you won't really notice much difference at all unless you really blow it up huge. It will certainly look better than any other source you put through it purely because of the higher bit rate.

The reality is, BD and HD-DVD look fantastic on any good display. It's only a "waste of money" if you don't use the player(s).

lol...poor OP is taking a beating with this questions.

IMO 9 out of 10 people could neer tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p...heck most would never be able to tell the difference between 768p and 1080p on average sized displays.

You should deffinately get into HD with your setup...difference between SD DVD and HD would ne night and day for you.

lol...poor OP is taking a beating with this questions.

IMO 9 out of 10 people could neer tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p...heck most would never be able to tell the difference between 768p and 1080p on average sized displays.

You should deffinately get into HD with your setup...difference between SD DVD and HD would ne night and day for you.

vancover,

Man I never thought I was going to get the "Post/Remarks" from some here on what I thought was a very simple matter of fact question.

I was not sure once again if me having a Projector (Runco VX5000ci) showing on a 123" Stewart Greyhawk with 4-way masking if I would get the benefit of the HD DVD Players. There was on my end no-negative remarks to any given format or projectors or anything else. Just simply stated to "Completely" enjoy or see the results of the BR/HD DVD Players did one need to actually have a projector or TV that had the ability to view these HD Formats in 1080p. Nothing more said from me or intended.

Man I am really sorry for sturring up such negative emotions/comments from some members.

If we all had the exact same degree of knowledge then these forums IMO (In-My-Opinion) would be unnecessary. Well we do not have the same knowledge so some of us feel that these forums are the place to ask questions to other members that just might have some additional input.

vancover: Thanks for a Simple Reply. In fact a Pleasant Reply. :)

Perhaps there will be other members that will have comments/thoughts regarding my question. I hope so. From what few comments here so far it seems if I go with a BR/HD DVD Player I will see a picture that is "Superior" to the SD Picture I am now seeing with my Integra DVD Player set on 480p. Which truthfully looks just Great to me. It was and is still hard for me to grasp that a High Definition DVD Player from either camp would produce a picture that is like (Night & Day) difference to what I have now with the Integra.

If there are members here that do see fit to comment further on this Thread I hope you will be more relaxed, calm and somewhat more "FRIENDLY" with your Post as vancover was.

Terry

Tiger,

The very short answer to your question is yes you will a benefit with HD/BR. 720p/1080i/1080p are all HD formats. They are night and day better then your current 480p DVD player. The differences between 720p and 1080p become smaller as your screen size goes down or you move further away. With your screen size I'd guess you could tell a difference between 720p and 1080p, but they will BOTH look better then your current 480p player. The difference between 1080i and 1080p in your case would be very hard to discern.

Buy an A35 or BD30 now and enjoy. Then when the time is right upgrade to a 1080p projector(the new sony looks great at $2999).

Sorry, you were stereotyped.

Tiger,

The very short answer to your question is yes you will a benefit with HD/BR. 720p/1080i/1080p are all HD formats. They are night and day better then your current 480p DVD player. The differences between 720p and 1080p become smaller as your screen size goes down or you move further away. With your screen size I'd guess you could tell a difference between 720p and 1080p, but they will BOTH look better then your current 480p player. The difference between 1080i and 1080p in your case would be very hard to discern.

Buy an A35 or BD30 now and enjoy. Then when the time is right upgrade to a 1080p projector(the new sony looks great at $2999).

I'm sure the Sony 1080p Projector has an excellent picture but the Runco I have now is a $30,000.00 Dollar Projector and I just do not think the Sony even though it would be a 1080p Model would produce a picture superior to my Runco. However I do not own the Sony so my comment is nothing more than a comment not based on FACT as I have never seen the Sony 1080p model in a demo. If I was to purchase a Projector now it would be a 1080p Model as you have mentioned.

blackkat98
Member

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 22 Sorry, you were stereotyped.

Thanks there is know problem on my end. :) My question was just a question and nothing more. Certainly not a [Troll] on this end. Not owning a 1080p Projector I was just not sure if spending money for one of the BR/HD DVD Players was going to be worth it for me or not. So that is why I asked the question. Just looking for input from other members that might have more knowledge than myself on the subject. I have been following the Samsung 5000 Dual Format Player and was considering the purchase of it. Then had second thoughts if it would really give me a much improved picture over my High-End SD Integra DVD Player I now have.

Terry

I've got a three y/o Pioneer PDP-4304 42" 720P plasma display w/ a Denon SD DVD player and HD Comcast. I sit about 7-8 feet away from the screen. Do you think it's worthwhile getting a BD HD-DVD player? It clearly makes sense for a larger display.

QUESTION ? If your video is 720p/1080i is it a "WASTE-of-Money" to Purchase any BR/HDNot at all, think of the comparison in terms of 480i/480p content versus 720p/1080i. If you have a projector that supports WXGA resolution a 1080p capable DVD player set to output 1080i to your projector will generate an HD image that is far superior to any 480i --> 480p progressive scan source or 480i up converted to 720p/1080i/1080p content.

I'm sure the Sony 1080p Projector has an excellent picture but the Runco I have now is a $30,000.00 Dollar Projector and I just do not think the Sony even though it would be a 1080p Model would produce a picture superior to my Runco. However I do not own the Sony so my comment is nothing more than a comment not based on FACT as I have never seen the Sony 1080p model in a demo. If I was to purchase a Projector now it would be a 1080p Model as you have mentioned.

blackkat98
Member

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 22 Sorry, you were stereotyped.

Thanks there is know problem on my end. :) My question was just a question and nothing more. Certainly not a [Troll] on this end. Not owning a 1080p Projector I was just not sure if spending money for one of the BR/HD DVD Players was going to be worth it for me or not. So that is why I asked the question. Just looking for input from other members that might have more knowledge than myself on the subject. I have been following the Samsung 5000 Dual Format Player and was considering the purchase of it. Then had second thoughts if it would really give me a much improved picture over my High-End SD Integra DVD Player I now have.

Terry


Tiger

I am somewhat in the same boat as you. Although my 720p/1080i projector is not near the cost of your Runco, I too had concerns about the picture quality. I have a Sharp Z12000 dlp that retailed for 12000. I am projecting it on a 120 inch Carada screen and I sit approx. 10 feet away in the first row of my dedicated HT. I have sat on the fence for the better part of the last 2 years waiting for a glitch free blu ray, hd dvd or combo player. In the meantime I have been buying both formats everytime a sale comes along.

I am still leaning on the panny 30, toshiba a35 until I see what comes out during CES 08 next week. I have no plans to replace my pj anytime soon. I think we will be pleasantly surprised with the quality of picture at 720p:D

Tiger

I am somewhat in the same boat as you. Although my 720p/1080i projector is not near the cost of your Runco, I too had concerns about the picture quality. I have a Sharp Z12000 dlp that retailed for 12000. I am projecting it on a 120 inch Carada screen and I sit approx. 10 feet away in the first row of my dedicated HT. I have sat on the fence for the better part of the last 2 years waiting for a glitch free blu ray, hd dvd or combo player. In the meantime I have been buying both formats everytime a sale comes along.

I am still leaning on the panny 30, toshiba a35 until I see what comes out during CES 08 next week. I have no plans to replace my pj anytime soon. I think we will be pleasantly surprised with the quality of picture at 720p:D

den110,

I like you have no intention of replacing my Runco VX5000ci Projector as you have said regarding your Sharp Projector. I have a Great Picture I think while viewing Dish HD Channels and or watching DVDs on my Integra SD DVD Player. The interesting thing I have noticed is that it appears to me that I gain nothing switching to 1080i from 720p. I have tried it many times and personally I see no better image while viewing HD Channels. Another interesting thing I have been paying very close attention to is this. The picture seems to be just as good when I use the HD-1 Component 720p versus the 1080i DVI. One would think the picture would or should be better with the DVI but in fact that is not necessarily the case. The picture is better in some cases when I use the HD-1 Component. As I have read in many Articles that say look at your picture and which ever way it looks better go with that and do not get HUNG-UP on which input is suppose to be better as in the DVI-Input. That now to me makes perfect sense just like the real world difference in watching HD Channels with the 720p Verses the 1080i. I am truthfully thinking at this point that the 720p is the better picture.

Speaking of HDMI/DVI connections they are a JOKE as many have said in many Threads/Post. I can go with the 720p Component Input and never have any problems. Switch to the 1080i DVI Input and you have to swich back and forth to even get it to stay on. It is a Pain at best.

Regarding the BR/HD DVD Players. I just had a very long conversation with the custom installation manager that sold me my HT. We were discussing the BR/HD DVD Players and his comment to me was this.

He has yet to be impressed with any of them and he also said that they all have problems that you have to be willing to work around to own any of them. His comment to me was to [WAIT]. He said your Integra High End SD DVD Player is trouble FREE. You will be disappointed with the ones on the market at this time. So I think I will just Calm Down like he has suggested and see when one comes to the market place that actually works just like my current Integra Player.

I'm not knocking members that have purchased the players and those that will. I am simply saying when I spend the money for one I want to enjoy it and not be on the Forums [Complaining] about what it does not do.

I really do not think this Friend of mine would give me the Advise he has when all he would have had to say was, this is the one I recommend and I would have purchased it on the phone sight unseen. He has nothing what so ever to gain by telling me the truth. Well I should say this I suppose.

He will have my Business for a very long time by not misleading me into a product that he as a dealer already knows does not work correctly.

That is a Friend indeed and a Professional Dealer with Great Business Ethics IMHO (In-My-Honest-Opinion).

Terry

On Hold for a working BR/HD Player:

Question:

If your Projector is only capable of showing 720P/1080i is it then a [Total-Waste-of-Money] to Purchase any BR/HD DVD Player ???? No. Unless you can't tell the difference between 1080i and 480p on your projector.

den110,

I like you have no intention of replacing my Runco VX5000ci Projector as you have said regarding your Sharp Projector. I have a Great Picture I think while viewing Dish HD Channels and or watching DVDs on my Integra SD DVD Player. The interesting thing I have noticed is that it appears to me that I gain nothing switching to 1080i from 720p. I have tried it many times and personally I see no better image while viewing HD Channels. Another interesting thing I have been paying very close attention to is this. The picture seems to be just as good when I use the HD-1 Component 720p versus the 1080i DVI. One would think the picture would or should be better with the DVI but in fact that is not necessarily the case. The picture is better in some cases when I use the HD-1 Component. As I have read in many Articles that say look at your picture and which ever way it looks better go with that and do not get HUNG-UP on which input is suppose to be better as in the DVI-Input. That now to me makes perfect sense just like the real world difference in watching HD Channels with the 720p Verses the 1080i. I am truthfully thinking at this point that the 720p is the better picture.

Speaking of HDMI/DVI connections they are a JOKE as many have said in many Threads/Post. I can go with the 720p Component Input and never have any problems. Switch to the 1080i DVI Input and you have to swich back and forth to even get it to stay on. It is a Pain at best.

Regarding the BR/HD DVD Players. I just had a very long conversation with the custom installation manager that sold me my HT. We were discussing the BR/HD DVD Players and his comment to me was this.

He has yet to be impressed with any of them and he also said that they all have problems that you have to be willing to work around to own any of them. His comment to me was to [WAIT]. He said your Integra High End SD DVD Player is trouble FREE. You will be disappointed with the ones on the market at this time. So I think I will just Calm Down like he has suggested and see when one comes to the market place that actually works just like my current Integra Player.

I'm not knocking members that have purchased the players and those that will. I am simply saying when I spend the money for one I want to enjoy it and not be on the Forums [Complaining] about what it does not do.

I really do not think this Friend of mine would give me the Advise he has when all he would have had to say was, this is the one I recommend and I would have purchased it on the phone sight unseen. He has nothing what so ever to gain by telling me the truth. Well I should say this I suppose.

He will have my Business for a very long time by not misleading me into a product that he as a dealer already knows does not work correctly.

That is a Friend indeed and a Professional Dealer with Great Business Ethics IMHO (In-My-Honest-Opinion).

Terry

On Hold for a working BR/HD Player:

Tiger

With my Sharp PJ I would also have to use a DVI-HDMI converter in order to hook HDMI to a HD player:( Or I can do the same as you; use the component inputs. This would alleviate any "handshake" issues some have experienced with the DVI/HDMI conversion. Since we are both 720p, this is an option. But if you want to upconvert your sd dvds, component connections would not work. But since you are happy with your current dvd player, I guess that is a moot point. Like your custom HT installer recommended, the "best" option would be to wait a little while longer so that the formats would become more stable in terms of hardware. But assuming you feel the same way as me, I consider myself an "enthusiast" which means we take our hobby of home theater very seriously (With the type of equipment you have, I think you take it very seriously also:D), it is hard to not have the latest and best in terms of audio and video quality. I am trying very hard to sit on my hands and not take the plunge; I am waiting to see what CES 08 has to offer. I have a feeling I will give in probably by Feb./Mar. at the latest.

Tiger,

With such an expensive display set up, you really should move to HD video. BR and HD DVD are so superior to upconverted DVD on my 58 inch panny plasma. At 720 or 1080i you should definitely see a significant improvement. BTW, the cost of the units pale in comparison to your display outlay. Gotta feed that display some good food.....

Tiger

With my Sharp PJ I would also have to use a DVI-HDMI converter in order to hook HDMI to a HD player:( Or I can do the same as you; use the component inputs. This would alleviate any "handshake" issues some have experienced with the DVI/HDMI conversion. Since we are both 720p, this is an option. But if you want to upconvert your sd dvds, component connections would not work. But since you are happy with your current dvd player, I guess that is a moot point. Like your custom HT installer recommended, the "best" option would be to wait a little while longer so that the formats would become more stable in terms of hardware. But assuming you feel the same way as me, I consider myself an "enthusiast" which means we take our hobby of home theater very seriously (With the type of equipment you have, I think you take it very seriously also:D), it is hard to not have the latest and best in terms of audio and video quality. I am trying very hard to sit on my hands and not take the plunge; I am waiting to see what CES 08 has to offer. I have a feeling I will give in probably by Feb./Mar. at the latest.

We are on the same page. :)

720p is working just fine for Dish HD Channels as well as SD Dish Channels. The Integra DVD Player is set up for 480p HD and it looks Great. Well IMO that is. The Handshake you speak of going to 1080i DVI is to me still not ready for the (Average-Consumer). It is way to SHAKEY to keep it on with out it going on & off etc. every time you switch to another channel or simply want to view the (Channel-Guide). Then you have to get the DVI HD 1080I back on. What a JOKE=NOT FUNNY !!!! :( Component 720p just works all the time with No-Handshake Issues-Period. :D And the pic looks Great. The connector as you say is actually HDMI to DVI since I am not using the (Audio) portion only the Video. I have yet to see the advantage and at this point do not think I will. I like other members feel like the HDMI/DVI needs a lot more improvement before it is going to be ready for the NON-HT-Enthusiast with some working knowledge of how the different systems work in a HT Environment.

I was one of the 1st members to be on watch for the release of the Samsung 5K DVD Player. I also was cautious after a conversation with my friend at the AV Store I purchased my HT from. So I stopped to see what members would have to report about the Samsung 5K after they got it.

I'll wait for either it (Assuming-Firmware) corrects it's issues or a much Higher-End BR/HD DVD Player. Time is on (OUR) side as I see it. Why spend Approx $1,000.00 Dollars on the Samsung 5K Model and have to maybe live with it's issues when (WE) can simply hold off and perhaps spend more money (True-Enough) for a More-Completely-Functional Player. The choice is (OURS) and being like (YOU) a HT "Enthusiast" I think (WE) should be smart and do this thing as right as we can the "1st-Time-Around".

I wonder if there are others out there with this line of thinking ???? :confused:

Terry

Tiger,

With such an expensive display set up, you really should move to HD video. BR and HD DVD are so superior to upconverted DVD on my 58 inch panny plasma. At 720 or 1080i you should definitely see a significant improvement. BTW, the cost of the units pale in comparison to your display outlay. Gotta feed that display some good food.....

cmr15,

I agree with you COMPLETELY as far as the need for a BR/HD DVD Player in my HT. The thing I want as well as others is a [Working-Player] and as of yet it seems like that is not the case.

Believe me I really would like to have one and will as soon as I read or my AV (Audio-Video) mgr. tells me he recommends one to me.

To be Honest I think it is going to be awhile longer though. :(

Have a Great-New-Year !!!!! :D

Terry

I am sick and tired of the word "true" being used to describe high definition resolutions. True 1080p? As opposed to false 1080p? What the hell? .

Ya definitely one of my biggest pet peeves. My bro in law always falls for this propoganda and brings up the "true" HD...I keep telling him theres no such thing as it, its either HD or its not...thats all there is to it really. :rolleyes:

Ya definitely one of my biggest pet peeves. My bro in law always falls for this propoganda and brings up the "true" HD...I keep telling him theres no such thing as it, its either HD or its not...thats all there is to it really. :rolleyes:

OP (Original Poster) Question:

Question:

If your Projector is only capable of showing 720P/1080i is it then a [Total-Waste-of-Money] to Purchase any BR/HD DVD Player ????

On the front end it seems to me that the reason to purchase a BR/HD DVD Player is to have the ability to watch a 1080P Picture. As I understand it the only TRUE-SOURCES for 1080P is either BR/HD DVD Players.

If in my case my Projector can only show 720p/1080i then it would seem to me that I would never see the real benefit of either Format High Definition DVD Player.

END-QUOTE:

If you will take the time to (Exactly-Read) the OP Question you will see that "I" the original poster when using the "Term" (True) is not Referring to HD (High Definition) as in 720p-1080i-1080p being or not being HD. The question I asked was to VIEW a BD/HD DVD Player and get the FULL-Benefit out of it did one need a Projector capable of showing a [1080p-Image]. As I said and once again repeat myself here it is not a question on 720p-1080i or 1080p all being HD (High Definition) sources. I ask the question to get the (True-Benefit) of either a BD/HD DVD Player did one actually need a 1080p Projector and or TV.

The ORIGINAL QUESTION has nothing to do with what sources are HD (High Definition). It is simply to ask other (Knowledgeable Members) if NOT-HAVING a 1080P Picture would it still be worth spending money for a BD/HD DVD Player. As I thought the (Best-Picture) attainable was from the 1080p Picture. Thus the Question.

Thanks for Your-Post/Reply but it has little if anything to do with this THREAD.

Sorry about the misunderstanding on the (Original-Question) and I hope this Post clears that up for {You}.

Terry

BTW, I am the OP (Original Poster).

Waste of money?!? Hell no!!

Even on my friends old 1080i RPTV, it looks amazing. HD is HD and SD isn't.

Period.

.

Waste of money?!? Hell no!!

Even on my friends old 1080i RPTV, it looks amazing. HD is HD and SD isn't.

Period.

.

:D Well that is what I call a Matter-of-Fact-Reply :D

Thanks

Terry

You wouldn't see the benefits of 1080p (obviously). That said, your question (as I understand it) is - will you see benefits from HD compared to SD when using 720/1080i.

I agree with people saying there is no "true HD". There is such thing as "Full HD" as we see it today (1080p). This will of course change in the future when we move up to 1440 or higher (from the current 1080). So .. even using that term is useless.

I'll attach couple of links for your benefit:

http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/1080p-and-the-acuity-of-human-vision

http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

Overall, and like the other posters have advised - you will see a big difference from HD source on your 720/1080 display, compared to your SD. I think the 2 links will provide you understanding where 1080p becomes better and when you could consider it. Until then, your 720/1080i is sufficient and will get a much better picture from BR/HD players compared to SD players (or up-converted SD).

You wouldn't see the benefits of 1080p (obviously). That said, your question (as I understand it) is - will you see benefits from HD compared to SD when using 720/1080i.

I agree with people saying there is no "true HD". There is such thing as "Full HD" as we see it today (1080p). This will of course change in the future when we move up to 1440 or higher (from the current 1080). So .. even using that term is useless.

I'll attach couple of links for your benefit:

http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/1080p-and-the-acuity-of-human-vision

http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

Overall, and like the other posters have advised - you will see a big difference from HD source on your 720/1080 display, compared to your SD. I think the 2 links will provide you understanding where 1080p becomes better and when you could consider it. Until then, your 720/1080i is sufficient and will get a much better picture from BR/HD players compared to SD players (or up-converted SD).

tmu77,

Thanks for the Links and I did take the time to read them more than once infact. Interesting.

I wonder what the difference is with the eye when viewing a (1080i Versus 1080p) ??? Is the picture close to the same as far as the eyes see them at the exact same viewing distance ???

Terry

On the front end it seems to me that the reason to purchase a BR/HD DVD Player is to have the ability to watch a 1080P Picture.
Umm, not true really. The reason to purchase a BR/HD DVD player is to be able to play those discs and view their glorious HD content on an HD projector. On your projector this will be waaaay better than any upscaled SD DVD.


If in my case my Projector can only show 720p/1080i then it would seem to me that I would never see the real benefit of either Format High Definition DVD Player.

The benefit of going from 720p/1080i to 1080p is all you'll miss by not getting a 1080p projector. That is a FAR smaller quality increment than going from watching a SD DVD to a HD/BR in 720p/1080i. IOW, lack of HD sources, as a result of holding off purchase, is a much bigger loss than the lack of 1080p for you right now.

Umm, not true really. The reason to purchase a BR/HD DVD player is to be able to play those discs and view their glorious HD content on an HD projector. On your projector this will be waaaay better than any upscaled SD DVD.



The benefit of going from 720p/1080i to 1080p is all you'll miss by not getting a 1080p projector. That is a FAR smaller quality increment than going from watching a SD DVD to a HD/BR in 720p/1080i. IOW, lack of HD sources, as a result of holding off purchase, is a much bigger loss than the lack of 1080p for you right now.

Some of this I get but some of it I do not (Honestly). Explain Furrther for the LAME-ME, Thanks !!!

IOW, lack of HD sources, as a result of holding off purchase, is a much bigger loss than the lack of 1080p for you right now.[/QUOTE]

Also IOW ???

Do you by chance know the answer to this question ??? Is there a (Major-Difference) viewing a picture with 1080i Versus 1080p ??? I don't know so I am asking:

Terry

Your Q: Is there a (Major-Difference) viewing a picture with 1080i Versus 1080p ???

My answer from my post : That ( i.e. going from 1080i to 1080p) is a FAR smaller quality increment than going from watching a SD DVD to a HD/BR in 720p/1080i.

Your Q does not invite a YES/NO answer because, as you acknowledge with the unusual parentheses, "major" can mean different things to different folks (especially here :D) So, I gave you a point of reference.

You'd agree that there's a BIG difference between picture quality (clarity/sharpness/depth/window effect etc) of an SD DVD upscaled and that of a good HD source (such as stuff recorded in HD video on Dish), wouldn't you? Assuming the answer is yes, then you'll have some basis to appreciate what is meant by the phrase "that going from 1080i to 1080p is a FAR smaller quality increment"

OK from another angle, let's give upscaled DVD a quality rating of say, 50 on some scale. Then let's say a great HD picture (1080i or 720p) is like 200. ( So currently you're missing out on 150 quality points by not getting a HD player even with your existing PJ. ) Now going from that 1080i/720p picture to a 1080p picture on a (perhaps hypothetical) 1080p version of your current projector, with the same HD player as source, the PQ is going to go up to perhaps 230 (these numbers are only to illustrate the point, not as a quantitative assessment :) ) Is that easier to grasp quantitatively?? Gaining 150 quality points by buying the player now seems like a wise use of $. Saying "I won't buy a player because I can't get 230 quality points unless I get a new 1080p PJ, so I'll stick with 50" seems kind of perverse!

Your Q: Is there a (Major-Difference) viewing a picture with 1080i Versus 1080p ???

My answer from my post : That ( i.e. going from 1080i to 1080p) is a FAR smaller quality increment than going from watching a SD DVD to a HD/BR in 720p/1080i.

Your Q does not invite a YES/NO answer because, as you acknowledge with the unusual parentheses, "major" can mean different things to different folks (especially here :D) So, I gave you a point of reference.

You'd agree that there's a BIG difference between picture quality (clarity/sharpness/depth/window effect etc) of an SD DVD upscaled and that of a good HD source (such as stuff recorded in HD video on Dish), wouldn't you? Assuming the answer is yes, then you'll have some basis to appreciate what is meant by the phrase "that going from 1080i to 1080p is a FAR smaller quality increment"

OK from another angle, let's give upscaled DVD a quality rating of say, 50 on some scale. Then let's say a great HD picture (1080i or 720p) is like 200. ( So currently you're missing out on 150 quality points by not getting a HD player even with your existing PJ. ) Now going from that 1080i/720p picture to a 1080p picture on a (perhaps hypothetical) 1080p version of your current projector, with the same HD player as source, the PQ is going to go up to perhaps 230 (these numbers are only to illustrate the point, not as a quantitative assessment :) ) Is that easier to grasp quantitatively?? Gaining 150 quality points by buying the player now seems like a wise use of $. Saying "I won't buy a player because I can't get 230 quality points unless I get a new 1080p PJ, so I'll stick with 50" seems kind of perverse!
AJSJones,

Makes Perfect Sense: Your Explanation that is: Your samples were "Welcome" :)

Thanks !!!! :D

Terry

BTW,

I will purchase a BR/HD DVD Player as soon as one of the Major-Manufactures releases one that I feel works for the most part out of the BOX like my current (High-End Integra SD DVD Player). But that is just me. Some want it now but I am willing to wait even if I have to drop (Example-Only) $2,000.00 Dollars for one. I don't want to throw my money around but I do not like things that do not work as they should including BR/HD DVD Players.

I will purchase a BR/HD DVD Player as soon as one of the Major-Manufactures releases one that I feel works for the most part out of the BOX like my current (High-End Integra SD DVD Player). But that is just me. Some want it now but I am willing to wait even if I have to drop (Example-Only) $2,000.00 Dollars for one. I don't want to throw my money around but I do not like things that do not work as they should including BR/HD DVD Players.

Fair enough! Those are better reasons to defer:D

If your Projector is only capable of showing 720P/1080i is it then a [Total-Waste-of-Money] to Purchase any BR/HD DVD Player ?

On the front end it seems to me that the reason to purchase a BR/HD DVD Player is to have the ability to watch a 1080P Picture. ...
Terry,
I hadn't seen any of your posts for a while. A search turned up this thread, and I thought I'd post my two cents.

A Blu-ray and/or HD DVD player is certainly NOT a waste of money simply because your projector has a 1280x720 resolution versus 1920x1080. I also have a 1280x720 single chip DLP projector, though an entry-level model versus a high-end model.

I have the Toshiba HD-A1 connected to my Mitsubishi HD-1000 by HDMI set to 1080i. The difference in visual quality between a good DVD and a good HD DVD is VERY noticeable. I watch from about 1.8 screen widths.

In my view, the reason to buy a HD disc player is not "to have the ability to watch a 1080P Picture" -- it's simply to have a BETTER picture.

Particularly as you have a couple of years on me, I think the advice to "wait" was not good. Sure, my HD-A1 is far from perfect, but I've bought about 10 HD DVDs and rented over 50 from Netflix. And once I watch the last 20 or 30 from Netflix that I want to see, it will be time to buy a Blu-ray player. I'm very glad that I didn't wait.

For about the cost of a nice dinner out, why not buy a Toshiba HD-A3 and try watching the two movies included in the box? That should answer the question.

Ron

Terry,
I hadn't seen any of your posts for a while. A search turned up this thread, and I thought I'd post my two cents.

A Blu-ray and/or HD DVD player is certainly NOT a waste of money simply because your projector has a 1280x720 resolution versus 1920x1080. I also have a 1280x720 single chip DLP projector, though an entry-level model versus a high-end model.

I have the Toshiba HD-A1 connected to my Mitsubishi HD-1000 by HDMI set to 1080i. The difference in visual quality between a good DVD and a good HD DVD is VERY noticeable. I watch from about 1.8 screen widths.

In my view, the reason to buy a HD disc player is not "to have the ability to watch a 1080P Picture" -- it's simply to have a BETTER picture.

Particularly as you have a couple of years on me, I think the advice to "wait" was not good. Sure, my HD-A1 is far from perfect, but I've bought about 10 HD DVDs and rented over 50 from Netflix. And once I watch the last 20 or 30 from Netflix that I want to see, it will be time to buy a Blu-ray player. I'm very glad that I didn't wait.

For about the cost of a nice dinner out, why not buy a Toshiba HD-A3 and try watching the two movies included in the box? That should answer the question.

Ron

Hi Ron,

Yeah, you are right I have not been Posting on AVS for some time now.

You do know that HD DVD Players and Movies are all but "DEAD" now, Right ?

That leaves the Blu-Ray HD DVD Players. So now that the War is over I will be buying one as soon as I decide which one.

I appreciate you posting here as it has now brought this back to my mind.

BTW,

The, or one of the reasons I have not been on here lately is I have just placed an order for the "2008 Limited Bullitt Mustang". Also have joined the www.IMBOC.com Forum.
That stands for, International Mustang Bullitt Owners Club

So I have been on that Forum almost all my spare time.

Nice to hear from you again.

Terry

The, or one of the reasons I have not been on here lately is I have just placed an order for the "2008 Limited Bullitt Mustang". Also have joined the www.IMBOC.com Forum. That stands for, International Mustang Bullitt Owners Club
Terry,

I hope you'll enjoy your new Mustang Bullitt.

The HD DVD format lost. But my player did not die. Nor have the discs evaporated. I'll likely buy a Sony BDP-S350 this summer.

Ron

Question:

If your Projector is only capable of showing 720P/1080i is it then a [Total-Waste-of-Money] to Purchase any BR/HD DVD Player ???? :confused:

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Terry

A very Enthusiastic HT Member.

I hope not as my current TV is 1080i and the Ball and Chain doesn't see the need to upgrade to a 73incher, or a FP :mad:

Seggers

Terry,

I hope you'll enjoy your new Mustang Bullitt.

The HD DVD format lost. But my player did not die. Nor have the discs evaporated. I'll likely buy a Sony BDP-S350 this summer.

Ron
Hi Ron,

Well I guess just about everyone is glad that finally there is not going to be the ongoing WAR between the 2-Camps on HD/BR DVD Players.

Now hopefully things will settle down and the public can purchase the Blu Ray HD DVD Players and get on with watching their movies in HD in their HT.

I will now make the leap I hope by the end of this year.

All monies are being saved at the present time to put into the 2008 Bullitt Mustang when it arrives. Hopefully that will be next Month.

Terry