After Numerous delays on the new house, I am seeing light at the end of the tunnel. I know quite a few people in here have purchased the new VW200 and while that projector is out of my price range, what are everyones thoughts on the motionflow technology??? Does it make a huge difference on Movies??? Is it worth waiting for?

I am coming from a sony 70XBR2 Watch mainly hidef via dish network, bluray and hddvd and huge gamer!

I am was looking at the RS2, but now I am thinking maybe pick up a VW60 or a VW40 (rehash of the VW50?) for a year, and hope that the next run of the projectors has motionflow in them. I just find it odd that sony's non xbr tv's now have this technology, so I am guessing the next run of sony and hopefully JVC projectors will have these features in them. Any thoughts would help...

I saw motionflow one one of the fancier LCD sets, i personally do not like it, made the film look like video, just did not have a film look anymore. I think companies now are just trying to come up with features to see these sets.

I agree that these Motion Flow technology does not make movies look like movies, at least not like the ones I'm accustom to seeing at the theaters. The kind of picture quality and style resulting from this technology makes all movies look like "Soap Opera" I see during daytime t.v.

Please check out the VW200 thread, there are opinions about Motionflow posted there. Motionflow on the VW200 consists of two different technologies. Most users seem to have intermediate frame interpolation turned off for movies, but they all seem to have turned dark frame insertion on (which is also a part of Motionflow).

Thanks for info. It seems that you are right, it didnt appear to make that much difference in movies, as for the most part the VW200 owners have it shut off. Time to auction off my organs on ebay for that rs2 =)

Thanks for info. It seems that you are right, it didnt appear to make that much difference in movies, as for the most part the VW200 owners have it shut off.
Please read my post again. For the most part the VW200 owners have shut one half of the Motionflow functionality off, but they all have the other half turned on and seem to like it a lot.

Oh yeah, the Dark Frame Insertion mode (film projection mode) is awesome. I don't think I can watch movies without it now. As for the Motion Enhancer feature we do not like it for movies (excpet maybe animated movies with it on low) but for sports it is really cool!

Oh yeah, the Dark Frame Insertion mode (film projection mode) is awesome. I don't think I can watch movies without it now. As for the Motion Enhancer feature we do not like it for movies (excpet maybe animated movies with it on low) but for sports it is really cool!


But the dark frame insertion makes the VW200 even darker... up to 50% light loss.

Regards,
Ekkehart

But the dark frame insertion makes the VW200 even darker... up to 50% light loss.
I thought the non-dark frames are shown brighter than they really are to reduce the light loss?

I thought the non-dark frames are shown brighter than they really are to reduce the light loss?


This is not technically possible as a good calibrated projector uses its full D65 brightness potential.

Anyway, I measured the light loss and it is there. In maximum mode, it is 50%.

Regards,
Ekkehart

This is not technically possible as a good calibrated projector uses its full D65 brightness potential.

Anyway, I measured the light loss and it is there. In maximum mode, it is 50%.
Ah ok, thanks.

Btw, have you found a good way to measure motion blur? :) I mean the main purpose of dark frame insertion is to reduce motion blur (by reducing the sample-and-hold effect). So consumers will have to decide whether the reduction in motion blur is worth the light loss. From the VW200 thread it seems that most people have dark frame insertion turned on for movies. So the positives seem to overweigh the negatives (light loss + slight flickering) for the current VW200 owners, it seems...

But the dark frame insertion makes the VW200 even darker... up to 50% light loss.

Regards,
Ekkehart

Setting one shows very slight light loss. Setting 2 a little more and 3 looks to be about 50% as you said :)
I prefer setting 1 and sometimes 2 but never 3.

I have yet to find out this answer, does anyone know if using BFI I would like to know what flicker we are seeing. Is it 48hz as in the theater?
Can anyone answer?
Thank you!!

50% might be for Film Projection Mode 1 but I don't use it. I like Mode 3 which is the less darker of the modes. It helps with the pictures contrast and adds sharpness and detail. I am even using it with football in HD and really like the extra "kick" it adds to the picture. :)

Actually Alan, I think 1 is complete Black Frame Insertion where 2 is Dark Frame Insertion and 3 would be considered Light Dark Frame Insertion... :)

Hi Joe

Thanks for the correction:) I had my numbers reversed.

I would like clarification on the hz as well. Maybe someone can find out next week at the show? :)

Setting one shows very slight light loss. Setting 2 a little more and 3 looks to be about 50% as you said :)
I prefer setting 1 and sometimes 2 but never 3.

I have yet to find out this answer, does anyone know if using BFI I would like to know what flicker we are seeing. Is it 48hz as in the theater?
Can anyone answer?
Thank you!!


60Hz...

Regards,
Ekkehart

Good information it sounds like you all are really enjoying bfi, Is Sony the only one offering this right now?

As far as in PJs I believe so but other companies are offering it in their LCD tvs... Like Sony, Toshiba and Samsung and I believe LG... Probably others to...

As far as in PJs I believe so but other companies are offering it in their LCD tvs... Like Sony, Toshiba and Samsung and I believe LG... Probably others to...
I believe most of the LCD makers are using intermediate frame interpolation (that half of "Motionflow" which most of you VW200 owners turn off for movie watching). Dark frame insertion was planned to be used by Philips for their LCDs, but they scratched that because it was too expensive (IIRC). I'm not aware of any LCD manufacturer who is currently using dark/frame insertion. Not fully sure, though. I've seen Samsung showing it on Cebit with a LED backlit LCD, but I'm not sure if they actually made use of it in production models yet.

Oh yeah, they need to start adding Black and Dark Frame Insertion... :)