Looks like MS is giving both gold and sliver members a gift for having to deal with XBL being down over the holidays. According to MS the holiday brought record XBL sign ups which was the reason for the issues with Live. I am not buying it but that is their story and they plan to stick to it and bribe you with a free arcade game. It better not be I already own. LOL


An Open Letter from Marc Whitten about Xbox LIVE this Holiday (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/live/serviceissue.htm)

its gonna be crap.


i wish it was either something good, or just your choice of whatever you want, or a redemption code good for 800 points that could only be used for an arcade purchase, or something along those lines.

its gonna be crap.


i wish it was either something good, or just your choice of whatever you want, or a redemption code good for 800 points that could only be used for an arcade purchase, or something along those lines.

Yeah that would be cool but I am going to doubt it. I am sure it will be some crap game that isn't selling anyway. lol

Well I for one am glad that they just released a statement regarding the 'attack'. They've retained their good image in my eyes :) that was all that I asked for.

MN just posted the podcast with e discussing the live holiday debacle. I am downloading it now but I will have to wait to listen to it on the way home. Blah.


Show#261 The First Show of 2008 (http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2008/01/03/show-261-the-first-show-of-2008.aspx)

It still isnt fixed I was lagging the whole time I tried to play halo 3 last night, hurry along now MS.

weird, i didnt have a single problem all season, must be regional.

at least they acknowledged it and will give us something.... i mean they finally acknowledged it...


i have to say, last night i played alot of games with no problems

i wish it was either something good, or just your choice of whatever you want, or a redemption code good for 800 points that could only be used for an arcade purchase, or something along those lines.

weird, i didnt have a single problem all season, must be regional.

Really. Then why are you asking MS to give you anything or complaining when they do?

I was not able to connect for 4 or 5 days straight and I would have been happy with a "We are very sorry this happened and here is the things we are doing to make sure it doesn't happen again."

sucked again last night! I can't even remember the last time I got in a full game of cod 4. This weekend is do or die time. Seriously if it isn't up and running tonight, I'm gonna..well...I'm gonna wait longer! :mad:

i think it might just be a problem with COD4.... i played flawlessly in Halo 3

It still isnt fixed I was lagging the whole time I tried to play halo 3 last night, hurry along now MS.

Other than choosing a good host, lag has nothing to do with Live. It has everything to do with your internet connection, and the connection you have to the host of the game, which isn't Microsoft.

its gonna be crap.


i wish it was either something good, or just your choice of whatever you want, or a redemption code good for 800 points that could only be used for an arcade purchase, or something along those lines.

You seriously expect them to basically hand out ten bucks for you to buy whatever arcade game you want? Get real! Why not just go ahead and start the class action thread....we all know someone will wind up doing it.

Yeah that would be cool but I am going to doubt it. I am sure it will be some crap game that isn't selling anyway. lol

I posted this in the other thread, too, but it was inevitable to get this complaint in both threads.

They could just give you a buck for the week of service you missed out on.

They can't win. If they give away one of the most popular games, the guys who already have it will complain. If they give away a game that isn't as popular, people who don't already have it will complain that the game is crap.

sucked again last night! I can't even remember the last time I got in a full game of cod 4. This weekend is do or die time. Seriously if it isn't up and running tonight, I'm gonna..well...I'm gonna wait longer! :mad:
Nice! :p

best case scenario is rez comes out for free on release.

COD 4 has been hit or more since right after Xmas so I believe the record sign up/load thing. Quite frankly it was perfect up to about Xmas Eve then after Xmas started having problems. Certain times COD 4 seems to behave better than others. Hopefully when kids go back to school next week it'll settle down during the week a bit more. Ultimately M$ needs more capacity and more servers as does IW which takes time to order hardware and setup and install it. I've noticed with COD that Mercenary Team Deathmatch seems to have broader lag issues than HQ does. Played HQ last night with 12 with minimal lag...

be nice if MS just gave everyone 400 or 800 MS points and let you do what you want with them.

be happy we are getting anything. microsoft didn't have to give us anything

I'd rather they just gave points instead of a game. Still, a nice gesture.

I second that. At least they came clean and are giving users something. Its not like we lost Oxygen or something for a couple weeks.

After trouble all day, I got on COD4 last night and played without problem.

We'll see if I can recover my GT tonight. It's been almost 5 days now that I haven't been able to recover.

I was in a THICK discussion about this in another thread. I think its great they stepped up to the plate and acknowledged the problem and are PROACTIVE about compensating their customers with something for their lost time. Especially time during the week of Xmas that wont be available again until a year later.

be nice if MS just gave everyone 400 or 800 MS points and let you do what you want with them.

:rolleyes:

Why not a free spare console to use when your current one gives RROD?

:rolleyes:

Hopefully they give us points and not a game. If your cell phone or TV service was spotty or not functioning for a week or so, would you want a credit or a new ringtone?

Looks like MS is giving both gold and sliver members a gift for having to deal with XBL being down over the holidays. According to MS the holiday brought record XBL sign ups which was the reason for the issues with Live. I am not buying it but that is their story and they plan to stick to it and bribe you with a free arcade game. It better not be I already own. LOL
An Open Letter from Marc Whitten about Xbox LIVE this Holiday (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/live/serviceissue.htm)

+1

Off topic: FUBAR is my all time favorite acronym. :)

weird, i didnt have a single problem all season, must be regional.

Me too, most of the people I have seen with major problems were in Canada and the NE region of the US.

I'm just glad they're giving us something.

I just want them to get the damn thing fixed. I still couldn't get on last evening when i wanted to play! This sh!t's been going on for nearly two weeks!

Anyone know what they're giving us yet? Many of us can't access xbox.com at work.

Maybe Microsoft will offer us a big list of things we can choose to make us happy. Here are a few items that I hear are rumored:

A copy of Teenage mutant ninja turtles secret of the ooze with Vanilla Ice
signed copies of Brute Force
Master Chief collectable pogs
Complete set of Series 83 Garbage Pail Kids

We will have to await the final list

What are some good arcade games? Bomberman?

sinec i alreayd have the tennage mutant ninja turtles complete set, that first one does me no good.


pogs. OMG!!! WILL THEY GIVE ME POGS?>!?!?!?!? PLZ SAY YES MICROSOFT!!! POGS FTWWWWWW!!!

What are some good arcade games? Bomberman?

Puzzle Quest

Man.. i knew it would be a free arcade game! I don't understand why they just don't give out points and let us PICK what game we want though! they gave out free points for their anniversary to members who were on live since the first year, so it's not impossible, why force a game on us that we may or may not want? Or atleast i hope we have a choice of what game we want, cause what if we already have it?

Hopefully it will be that Omega five shooting game coming out next week. LOL yea right though! It will be something from the vault of unplayed arcade games.

Man.. i knew it would be a free arcade game! I don't understand why they just don't give out points and let us PICK what game we want though! they gave out free points for their anniversary to members who were on live since the first year, so it's not impossible, why force a game on us that we may or may not want? Or atleast i hope we have a choice of what game we want, cause what if we already have it?

Exactly. It kinda sucks. I want to get Switchball but what if that's it? I doubt it though as it will most likely be a 400 point game that no one has bought.

My wife & I want Pacman CE........talking about an old school game but we tried the demo and LOVE it!!!!!!!!

So if MS makes it availible(for free).........we'll get it!

Was going to buy it yesterday until reading this thread ......Im waiting to see what is given to us 1st!

As much as I'd love to see MS just hand MS points to make up for it it doesn't make much business sense. If they give out some Arcade no one ever buys it doesn't really hurt them, if they hand out points then people are gonna go spend it on games they would have formerly forked over actual currency for.

Just give everyone 800 points and call it a day.

I don't know why anybody doesn't just want a free month or two of XBLIve? I haven't been able to play with any sort of consistency online for almost three weeks now. I would say that's not getting my moneys' worth for the month I paid for... if they simply compensated for that few weeks I was not able to play then I wouldn't be upset.
As it is, I'm on the phone now trying to cancel my subscription since it auto renews next week. I'm not giving another $50 for something I can't use.

And yes, I do have a life and other things to do. And I will move on and stop using XBlive. I'm irritated because I have a small amount of free time and when I do sit down to play a game I'd like it to work instead of fighting with it and wasting time.

It's not that we don't want free months of live, it's mostly due to fact that MOST people don't really pay for live monthly (gold users) usually pay for the full year and thats it, so then a mont or two free of live doesn't really add up to anything 'cept a couple of dollars. An XBLA arcade game is worth 5-10 bucks. We should have a choice though of what we want in return. Hopefully they are taking the time to decide on something to make up for the lost time, cause if it's been all of this wait and they are going to tell us we get root beer taper for our troubles then heads will roll!

heads will roll

I doubt it.

a free arcade game? cant be serious...anyone who would actually download this and feel okay about Live sucking so hardcore lately needs to have their head checked...i just wouldnt feel right doing it!!!

a free arcade game? cant be serious...anyone who would actually download this and feel okay about Live sucking so hardcore lately needs to have their head checked...i just wouldnt feel right doing it!!!

What would you like instead?

Maybe Microsoft will offer us a big list of things we can choose to make us happy. Here are a few items that I hear are rumored:

A copy of Teenage mutant ninja turtles secret of the ooze with Vanilla Ice
signed copies of Brute Force
Master Chief collectable pogs
Complete set of Series 83 Garbage Pail Kids

We will have to await the final list

Whiskey, if it makes you feel any better, I thought this list was freaking hilarious:D:D:D... You've also dated yourself with Garbage Pail kids.... Guessing you're in your 30's like probably 90 percent of the dorks on this site (present party included;))

What would you like instead?

the guy wants 3 free regular games of his choice. :rolleyes:

be happy you are getting anything wavey

Still having issues on COD4 as of last night. Game lobby closing and was not able to start any matches. They all ended with "Match starting..." and nothing would happen.

Im going to have to try Halo 3, since I feel like the issue is centered around COD4.

I cant wait for my Yaris 2 keycode...:rolleyes:

Wow gamers, as a group, sure are a whiny bunch. I know nothing I say can help the rage and resentment you all feel at the catastrophic XBL outage, so I won't even try. I just hope you can all somehow pick up the pieces of your shattered lives and carry on. :)

I've been having odd issues with Rock Band this weekend. The game runs fine, but the leaderboard doesn't update for a long time (may be normal, I don't know). More annoying is that anytime I try to look at a gamercard or see what my friends are doing the thing just hangs for a minute or two, I guess while it times out or actually gets the data. I end up with a completely empty blade pulled out with the game running in the background, but I can't do anything until it finally times out. I haven't been playing much else, so I don't know if they've got a problem or if it's the same XBL junk.

Given the way this stuff usually goes for me, I'm sure the free game will be one I just bought in the past few weeks.

Wow....I cant believe how devastated some people are over this.....
$50/365=13.6 cents a day. Multiply that by 14 days..... that equals about $1.92 and thats accounting for total outage when it was in actuality about maybe 50-60% outage since it did work during the daytime mostly. It seem to only go bad at peak times. So...take off that 50% and you get about 96 cents. I think they are being more than generous giving a free arcade game on top of all the free stuff we get already.
They should just give you 96 cents of free live tacked onto the end of the year you paid for.....

Wow, there is such outrage that some people want to be compensated for outages in a paid service. My membership is due to expire in February and I don't think that's right if it's intermittent between December 25 and then. I'm sure the arcade game will be one I have, like Carcassonne, but I wouldn't ask for money or points. Just give me a few weeks for free, or add as many days that the service has been borked onto the end of my account. How is that not fair?

Wow....I cant believe how devastated some people are over this.....
$50/365=13.6 cents a day. Multiply that by 14 days..... that equals about $1.92 and thats accounting for total outage when it was in actuality about maybe 50-60% outage since it did work during the daytime mostly. It seem to only go bad at peak times. So...take off that 50% and you get about 96 cents. I think they are being more than generous giving a free arcade game on top of all the free stuff we get already.
They should just give you 96 cents of free live tacked onto the end of the year you paid for.....

Well I think I calculate it differently. I dont play games 24/7 365. So the week of christmas (when I was off work) was going to be a major gaming week for me.

$50 and 100 days of gaming/yr (yes I have a life) = 50¢ * 14 days = $7. Plus lets not forget the inconvenience of having to try and play online = wasted time. I make $25/hr and spent at least 5 hours of games beign dropped etc. = $125.

Total = $132

now what really pisses me off is this spin:
"Sorry for the trouble, it was all these new users! WE HIT NEW RECORDS! WE ARE #1!"

Notice how they dont even take responsibility for the problem? They blame the new users!

It's not that we don't want free months of live, it's mostly due to fact that MOST people don't really pay for live monthly (gold users) usually pay for the full year and thats it, so then a mont or two free of live doesn't really add up to anything 'cept a couple of dollars. An XBLA arcade game is worth 5-10 bucks. We should have a choice though of what we want in return. Hopefully they are taking the time to decide on something to make up for the lost time, cause if it's been all of this wait and they are going to tell us we get root beer taper for our troubles then heads will roll!


You could've at least spelled the name of the game right if your going to insult a arcade classic. It's spelled Tapper, not Taper. And it was well worth the 400 points.

Well I think I calculate it differently. I dont play games 24/7 365. So the week of christmas (when I was off work) was going to be a major gaming week for me.

$50 and 100 days of gaming/yr (yes I have a life) = 50¢ * 14 days = $7. Plus lets not forget the inconvenience of having to try and play online = wasted time. I make $25/hr and spent at least 5 hours of games beign dropped etc. = $125.

Total = $132

now what really pisses me off is this spin:
"Sorry for the trouble, it was all these new users! WE HIT NEW RECORDS! WE ARE #1!"

Notice how they dont even take responsibility for the problem? They blame the new users!
You certainly have a high opinion of teh value of your free time....
Next time I have to put my car in service Ill have to use that one on them. "Hey,I used my free time to come here and I make 37.50 an hr,so take that off the bill" or when the cable goes out "hey,I spent 4 hrs of my free time staring at snow on the tube and I make 37.50 an hr,so thats $150 you need to take off my bill."...
Your a Democrat,arent you....

Your a Democrat,arent you....

ROFL!!! DARK HELMET FTW! :D

(Note: I have nothing against Democrats, many of my best friend's are Democrats. But that comment was damn funny.)

+1

Off topic: FUBAR is my all time favorite acronym. :)

FUBAR is also one of my most favorite movies!!!

You certainly have a high opinion of teh value of your free time....
Next time I have to put my car in service Ill have to use that one on them. "Hey,I used my free time to come here and I make 37.50 an hr,so take that off the bill" or when the cable goes out "hey,I spent 4 hrs of my free time staring at snow on the tube and I make 37.50 an hr,so thats $150 you need to take off my bill."...
Your a Democrat,arent you....

Thats right I do highly value my free time. Sorry you don't care if they jack you around. Why in the world would you defend an outage like that? Oh..fanboi.

Nothing worse than a republican fanboi who gets upset when you question the logic of his 96¢ outage.

Id almost bet you defend the RROD too.

EDIT: .96 x 10,000,000 = $9,600,000 BTW

so then a month or two free of live doesn't really add up to anything 'cept a couple of dollars.

So then why are you complaining LIVE went down over the holidays? So if LIVE went down for 2 weeks, and MS compensates you for that loss with 2 MONTHS of free LIVE, that isn't enough?

Wheres the logic?

Thats right I do highly value my free time. Sorry you don't care if they jack you around. Why in the world would you defend an outage like that? Oh..fanboi.

Nothing worse than a republican fanboi who gets upset when you question the logic of his 96¢ outage.

Id almost bet you defend the RROD too.

EDIT: .96 x 10,000,000 = $9,600,000 BTW

Ok, we've all had jabs at each others political parties, can we please not let this turn into a big "Your political stance is stoopid" conversation.

Anyway yea dude your calculation doesn't really make sense. When my internet goes down I occupy my life with something else, I don't bitch to my IP that they've wasted 24 hours of my life and my time is worth $10 an hour so they owe me $240. That makes absolutely no sense. A service you're paying about $4 a month for went down for two weeks, that means you lost $2. If you have nothing better to occupy your free time with than XBL that's not MS's fault.

$50 and 100 days of gaming/yr (yes I have a life) = 50¢ * 14 days = $7. Plus lets not forget the inconvenience of having to try and play online = wasted time. I make $25/hr and spent at least 5 hours of games beign dropped etc. = $125.

Total = $132



Since you make $25/hr when you're not playing video games, you should be ecstatic that XBL went down. Dude you're raking it in! I suggest setting fire to your Xbox and your TV. You'll be a millionaire in no time!

This has to be the dumbest argument for "compensation" I've seen yet. Service refund based on our salary.:rolleyes: Since I make more than you I guess MS owes me more? Huh? Last month I took a trip with our CEO and our flight got cancelled. We both got bumped to 1st class. But since he makes so much more than me, he got ripped off! He should have been in super first class or get to bang the hot stewardess or something.

Exaggeration, I know. But dude, come on.

But since he makes so much more than me, he got ripped off! He should have been in super first class or get to bang the hot stewardess or something.

Well, he could've requested this :p

actually that's a fantastic idea. It brings a whole new meaning to "snakes on a plane":)

actually that's a fantastic idea. It brings a whole new meaning to "snakes on a plane":)

Haha I know you guys would like that one. :cool:

This has to be the dumbest argument for "compensation" I've seen yet.

My point was that I shoudl be compensated more than a dumb ass free arcade game. The other guy seems to think they owe me 96¢, which to me is abusrd. It was frustrating. Plus everyone knows holidays are time and a half!

Heck the pending lawsuit claims the damages suffered from the outages exceed $5 million.

I was just pointing out that my time is valuable to me. Maybe not to you or microsoft who obviously didn't care that it went down for weeks.

I agree with this statement my friend made:
"A game as compensation is a bad, bad idea. Everyone has vastly different tastes in games and some people will get more or less mileage out of that deal. Also you are offering a product in exchange for a paid for, but unprovided service. In my mind, the only way to make it up to subscribers is added service, x2 for holidays. So, if it's been unusable for 2 weeks, we should get a month credited, etc."

My point was that I shoudl be compensated more than a dumb ass free arcade game. The other guy seems to think they owe me 96¢, which to me is abusrd. It was frustrating. Plus everyone knows holidays are time and a half!

Heck the pending lawsuit claims the damages suffered from the outages exceed $5 million.

I was just pointing out that my time is valuable to me. Maybe not to you or microsoft who obviously didn't care that it went down for weeks.

I agree with this statement my friend made:
"A game as compensation is a bad, bad idea. Everyone has vastly different tastes in games and some people will get more or less mileage out of that deal. Also you are offering a product in exchange for a paid for, but unprovided service. In my mind, the only way to make it up to subscribers is added service, x2 for holidays. So, if it's been unusable for 2 weeks, we should get a month credited, etc."

And in the end there's no use bitching about it because it's not gonna change anything. Technically MS doesn't have to do anything about it, the free arcade game is a pretty nice "We're sorry" in my eyes. The amount of money you have technically lost from this isn't enough to even hold up in small claims court. The idiots filing a big class action suit because they each lost the equivalent of $2 a piece and a couple weeks of online gaming are doing nothing more than trying to take advantage of the system. It's parasites like them that want some ridiculously large handout over nothing that are the reason you can't do anything in this country without worrying you're gonna get sued for it.

Technically MS doesn't have to do anything about it, the free arcade game is a pretty nice "We're sorry" in my eyes.

Actually its the same thing for the RROD. "Oh you're past the 90 day warranty period...sorry"

But a large lawsuit caused a settlement and wow, an extended warranty period. Thanks to the idiots.

Im always amazed at how people love the big corporations more than their rights. Fanboism aka brand loyalists. Its your right to bring your issue to court. The industry likes to blame that for causing prices to go skyhigh. The same industry that kills people and sells shoddy services/products.

Nobody here can say the 360 hardware is/was a good product. We'll never know the extent of any of the failures.

Xbox360 now with extended warranty! Because they like you!

Its your right to bring your issue to court. The industry likes to blame that for causing prices to go skyhigh. The same industry that kills people and sells shoddy services/products.

I'm just amazed at people like this. There's no "right" to bring a frivolous law suit--if you claim there is, point it out.

And claiming that MS ("the same industry") kills people? Wow.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Actually its the same thing for the RROD. "Oh you're past the 90 day warranty period...sorry"

But a large lawsuit caused a settlement and wow, an extended warranty period. Thanks to the idiots.

Im always amazed at how people love the big corporations more than their rights. Fanboism aka brand loyalists. Its your right to bring your issue to court. The industry likes to blame that for causing prices to go skyhigh. The same industry that kills people and sells shoddy services/products.

Nobody here can say the 360 hardware is/was a good product. We'll never know the extent of any of the failures.

Xbox360 now with extended warranty! Because they like you!

I'm not defending MS, I'm saying quit your whining. The suit for RRoD was completely valid, when a company releases a product that sells over 10 million units at a minimum of $300 that has a 33% failure rate (allegedly) they should be held responsible. When a company offers a service, that typically works flawlessly, and has a few hiccups for a couple weeks during the holidays when a ton of new players start using the service and the servers get overloaded which means everyone loses what equates to $2 it's not really a big deal.

Your life has gotta be pretty dull if you have nothing better to do when XBL is down than bitch that XBL is down and call anyone who applies some simple logic to the situation a fanboy.

I'm not defending MS, I'm saying quit your whining. The suit for RRoD was completely valid, when a company releases a product that sells over 10 million units at a minimum of $300 that has a 33% failure rate (allegedly) they should be held responsible. When a company offers a service, that typically works flawlessly, and has a few hiccups for a couple weeks during the holidays when a ton of new players start using the service and the servers get overloaded which means everyone loses what equates to $2 it's not really a big deal.

Your life has gotta be pretty dull if you have nothing better to do when XBL is down than bitch that XBL is down and call anyone who applies some simple logic to the situation a fanboy.

You're good at applying your values to everyone. Whats worthwhile and what isn't and who's life is dull and who's isn't. Oh and the purpose of this thread is to complain, read the title! haha.

"its a $2 outage, no big deal!"

Im just asking for a month free. I'd bet you'll see it soon too, only with corp spin so it sounds like MS is actually giving us something.

I wont even get into the fact that I can't use the games I bought when their service isn't working because they have the pirate phear.

You're good at applying your values to everyone. Whats worthwhile and what isn't and who's life is dull and who's isn't. Oh and the purpose of this thread is to complain, read the title! haha.

"its a $2 outage, no big deal!"

Im just asking for a month free. I'd bet you'll see it soon too, only with corp spin so it sounds like MS is actually giving us something.

I wont even get into the fact that I can't use the games I bought when their service isn't working because they have the pirate phear.

Yes, but you seem to have taken the complaining to a whole new level implying MS somehow owes you for wasting your time at $25 an hour. I'm not pushing my values on anyone by the way. I'm just telling you I think you're a little bit whiny. I make considerably less money than you, being a full-time college student with a job don't have a lot of free time myself, yet I'm not throwing a fit because XBL went down for two weeks.

$50 and 100 days of gaming/yr (yes I have a life) = 50¢ * 14 days = $7. Plus lets not forget the inconvenience of having to try and play online = wasted time. I make $25/hr and spent at least 5 hours of games beign dropped etc. = $125.

Total = $132If your damage claims are so high, why the heck would you want this case to receive class action status? Would you want the plantiffs to litigate on your behalf especialy given that you wrote this:
You're good at applying your values to everyone. Whats worthwhile and what isn't and who's life is dull and who's isn't.

Of course, you also wrote this, which sounds reasonable, so maybe you are just blowing off some steam. If so, then do not mind me, lol. I am all for that.
Im just asking for a month free.

I agree with this statement my friend made:
"A game as compensation is a bad, bad idea. Everyone has vastly different tastes in games and some people will get more or less mileage out of that deal. Also you are offering a product in exchange for a paid for, but unprovided service. In my mind, the only way to make it up to subscribers is added service, x2 for holidays. So, if it's been unusable for 2 weeks, we should get a month credited, etc."

Well I'm sure you're friend is an awesome business analyst and all, but you're both dreaming. According to the TOS you agreed to when you joined XBL, they owe you exactly zip. They don't guarantee 100% uptime. They can choose to give a free game or whetever as a gesture, but you're not entitled to it. Your analogy with the RROD doesn't fly.

If you're really that outraged I suggest you join the inevitable class action suit. Let us know how it works out for ya :rolleyes:

BTW I'm not defending MS, just common sense. But feel free to label me a fanboy if you want.

I make considerably less money than you, being a full-time college student with a job don't have a lot of free time myself, yet I'm not throwing a fit because XBL went down for two weeks.

Good for you.

I was just using the wages as an example that time = money. I think the 2 week outage was worth more to me than 96¢. Apparently MS does too, but I want them to bump it up.

My time off of work is more valueable to me than my time working. With all the shoddy hardware and now Live breaking, it sucks for me the customer.

I love the games and live when it is working otherwise I wouldnt even be posting here.

Obviously I am in the minority in that when the service sucks you should make it up to your customers. I guess thats not how MS chooses to do things (unless they are forced). If I go thru yet another 360 and live continues to suck. I'll just quit playing games. There are other more productive things I could be doing than playing games and posting about them on the internet.

When my 360s broke people in forums told me the same thing, to shut up and quit whining. "you shoudl have bought the extended warranty" and that I was the minority and everything was fine, MS even said things were fine. "only a small percentage of users are having trouble".

COD4 is definitely still Facked up... It's not your internet connection. It seriously played FLAWLESS for me up until the update. It was sooo easy getting in and out of games. My guess is MS will make available a couple of different games that will cost the least to them to do so. I am not sure there are any "in house" live games but those are the ones I expect them to make free.

Good for you.

I was just using the wages as an example that time = money. I think the 2 week outage was worth more to me than 96¢. Apparently MS does too, but I want them to bump it up.

My time off of work is more valueable to me than my time working. With all the shoddy hardware and now Live breaking, it sucks for me the customer.

I love the games and live when it is working otherwise I wouldnt even be posting here.

Obviously I am in the minority in that when the service sucks you should make it up to your customers. I guess thats not how MS chooses to do things (unless they are forced). If I go thru yet another 360 and live continues to suck. I'll just quit playing games. There are other more productive things I could be doing than playing games and posting about them on the internet.

Ok, well the way I see it is XBL is pretty much the most seamless and all around best online gaming service available on consoles or on the PC. I get a lot for my money, when it works it's amazing. I'm pretty understanding of the fact that MS wasn't prepared for the servers to get bombarded like they have been with the increase in users over the holidays. XBL doesn't go down very often, when it's up people go on and on about how amazing it is and how great a service MS has provided, it goes down for two weeks and all of a sudden MS is the anti-christ screwing over all it's consumers. I love XBL but I can find other things, some gaming related and some not, to occupy my time when it's down.

no kidding.... ever heard of offline gaming? lmao.

i'm sure we'll be compensated appropriately. no need to get all up-tight.

Well after 5 years Live has obviously shown us the true color of some people that we never would have expected.

I pray I dont hear of somone commiting suicide. Wait Wiskey just opened a Xbox Live support group thread(Someone needs to start a suicide watch)
This man is seriously taking this hard :D

I pray I dont hear of somone commiting suicide. Wait Wiskey just opened a Xbox Live support group thread(Someone needs to start a suicide watch)
This man is seriously taking this hard :D

It's been going on 3 weeks! This has become a test of wills. Pray for me :(

It's been going on 3 weeks! This has become a test of wills. Pray for me :(

I find in times like this my friends Jack, Jim, and Johnny are a big comfort ;)

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/01/halo_3_cant_count.html

For everyone upset with logging in. You only have yourselfs to blame. Look at the picture from the Aussie. Just crazy :D


Yes, Xbox Live is experiencing its fair share of problems at the moment. Now, it looks like Halo 3 couldn't help but get in on the action with its only slice of crazy.

During the holidays, Ali sent us this smirk-worthy picture of the game wigging out and reporting over 7 million users online. I know Halo 3 is popular, but this is probably pushing it

My God, if you're a company don't EVER have an unpredicted problem. Some netnaut yayhoo will get a posse together and waste everyone's time for their $2.

Sometimes I wish the courts would automatically investigate the personal lives of people who bring lawsuits like this, to see if all the unplanned, unforseeable, and impossible to avoid mistakes they've ever made cost the community more than the money they're out. Just, you know, to see if it all washes.

If it isn't Metal Slug 3, I don't want it.

If it isn't Metal Slug 3, I don't want it.

Really? Not even Rez HD :rolleyes:

Not that that's EVER gonna happen.

My God, if you're a company don't EVER have an unpredicted problem.

It IS a predicted problem... Its in the fine print which I'm not going to dig up for this flood222 guy. Basically says they have the right to not have a working service at any time during the year. So there is NOTHING you can do about it. By buying, you agreed. Anyone wanting compensation is stupid, and anyone wanting compensation based on their salary is even more stupid, and I can't believe anyone thinking that way could even make $25 an hour. If you want money then go work don't whine about it. If you don't want XBL then don't pay for it! (seeing as how its up 99% of the time)

800 MS Points would have been better but I think this is more than adequate compensation for a couple days of down time considering that I pay a staggering total of just less than $0.17 a day for XBL.

It IS a predicted problem... Its in the fine print which I'm not going to dig up for this flood222 guy. Basically says they have the right to not have a working service at any time during the year. So there is NOTHING you can do about it. By buying, you agreed. Anyone wanting compensation is stupid, and anyone wanting compensation based on their salary is even more stupid, and I can't believe anyone thinking that way could even make $25 an hour. If you want money then go work don't whine about it. If you don't want XBL then don't pay for it! (seeing as how its up 99% of the time)

actually 4 weeks down out of a year is not 99%. Its 91.6666%

I see what you are saying about the fact MS had everyone agree to its terms of service. There is NOTHING I can do about it. Call Max, he doesn't even seem to care.

Also never argue about MS's lack of quality customer support on an xbox forum.

actually 4 weeks down out of a year is not 99%. Its 91.6666%


Actually, it's 92.3, but who's counting? :) And who's saying it is 4 weeks?

Actually, it's 92.3, but who's counting? :) And who's saying it is 4 weeks?

haha...cool.

I'm saying its 4 weeks.

haha...cool.

I'm saying its 4 weeks.

Would you like to say it's a giant space bunny, too?

The reason why people can't take you seriously is because you exaggerate. Try being honest.

haha...cool.

I'm saying its 4 weeks.

Today is January 8th.

Are you saying that you haven't been able to play anything on XBox Live since December 11th?

Today is January 8th.

Are you saying that you haven't been able to play anything on XBox Live since December 11th?

I as with many others have been having problems since the last update.

oh and I found this in the TOS:
You may have additional consumer rights under your local laws that this contract cannot change.


I am not familar with the laws in my area, but Im sure there are consumer protection laws. If I am correct that is how they got burned on the RROD lawsuit.

I am not familar with the laws in my area, but Im sure there are consumer protection laws. If I am correct that is how they got burned on the RROD lawsuit.

Contact an attorney. I'm sure you'll find at least one who is willing to work on an hourly basis on this matter. They'll happily take your money.

Contact an attorney. I'm sure you'll find at least one who is willing to work on an hourly basis on this matter. They'll happily take your money.

haha...yeah dude. So to end this, because I really do not care at all. I've been playing devils advocate.

I dont care. I've spent the last few weeks finishing the basement in our rental property and when I play 360 I tune my cars in forza(no live required). I just love to see the brand loyalists defend their shizz. Its a kick for me. Although it has been extrememly frustrating and I hope they give us free month in return. I think it would be in their best interests to please the consumer.

My father in law is an attorney and as such, its free. If I cared...at all.

It won't be Rez... there is too much money to make there. Trust me the pencil pushers will come up with choices that make the most financial sense.

I as with many others have been having problems since the last update.


That isn't really answering my question. Have you not been able to play a game on Live since December 11th?

There was a day or so after the update launched on December 4th where the dashboard was a little sluggish. After that, it was fine for me until around Christmas or so. What problems were you having in this time period?

Edit: Oh, I see, you are just trolling. And I took the bait. Nevermind.

That isn't really answering my question. Have you not been able to play a game on Live since December 11th?

There was a day or so after the update launched on December 4th where the dashboard was a little sluggish. After that, it was fine for me until around Christmas or so. What problems were you having in this time period?

Please see post #94

Also never argue about MS's lack of quality customer support on an xbox forum.

Lol, you don't spend much time around here do you? Bashing MS's horrible customer support is like the XBox Forum pasttime. We all just think it's funny because for a service that is rarely ever down (honestly when is the last XBL crashed like this?) you're making this out to be some horrible catastrophe that MS owes you some large sum of money for. Go ask your father-in-law attorney about it, assuming he's not a complete dirtbag he'll probably laugh in your face and tell you you don't stand a chance in hell taking that to court.

It won't be Rez... there is too much money to make there. Trust me the pencil pushers will come up with choices that make the most financial sense.

I know it won't be Rez I was just jokin.

Lol, you don't spend much time around here do you? Bashing MS's horrible customer support is like the XBox Forum pasttime. We all just think it's funny because for a service that is rarely ever down (honestly when is the last XBL crashed like this?) you're making this out to be some horrible catastrophe that MS owes you some large sum of money for. Go ask your father-in-law attorney about it, assuming he's not a complete dirtbag he'll probably laugh in your face and tell you you don't stand a chance in hell taking that to court.

Overall Im pretty happy with MS and Xbox and I do agree its rarely down. But this was really noticeable because of the time off around the holiday. The one thing that I think they did wrong from the start is their customer support/service and they continue to do it wrong.

I really was pretty PO'ed at live for being all mucked up during the holidays. Its a consumer trust issue. As far as suing microsoft...lol...yeah nobody stands a chance.

Check this out though, in the TOS:
17. LIABILITY LIMITATION; YOUR EXCLUSIVE REMEDY
You can recover from the Microsoft Parties only direct damages up to an amount equal to your Service fee for one month.

It IS a predicted problem... Its in the fine print which I'm not going to dig up for this flood222 guy. Basically says they have the right to not have a working service at any time during the year.

That's prudent planning then on their part. The service is a fluid thing that is still evolving. I'm surprised this is the first we've seen of this problem.

So there is NOTHING you can do about it. By buying, you agreed. Anyone wanting compensation is stupid, and anyone wanting compensation based on their salary is even more stupid, and I can't believe anyone thinking that way could even make $25 an hour.

Some union blue collar lugnut that could never make this much NOT using his back for a living... Makes perfect sense to me. This is the only type I've seen that expects people to compensate them for their issues--mainly because they're hourly. Everyone else doesn't worry about this stuff. Do these people play during business hours anyway?

If you want money then go work don't whine about it. If you don't want XBL then don't pay for it! (seeing as how its up 99% of the time)

Exactly.

When are we all getting our copies of Paperboy?

I just called Microsoft support and they gave me my month. Im cool with that.

I just called Microsoft support and they gave me my month. Im cool with that.

We should all do likewise and then commence to shutting up about the matter. One month free is embarrassingly fair IMO.

well look

xbox live costs me $30 for a 13 month card . Thats 2.3 a month. $2.30 over 28 days is less than 9 cents a day.

If you had service interuption for a few days a $4 arcade game is more than enough compensation .

well look

xbox live costs me $30 for a 13 month card . Thats 2.3 a month. $2.30 over 28 days is less than 9 cents a day.

If you had service interuption for a few days a $4 arcade game is more than enough compensation .

OMG is this a bad rerun? We just went over this in the last 15 pages.

If you play xbox live EVERYDAY that math applies.

Hey, you're the troll. I thought you liked going over things again?

OMG is this a bad rerun? We just went over this in the last 15 pages.

If you play xbox live EVERYDAY that math applies.

Yeah we're all aware of your awesome compensation calculation math.

What was it again? Something about how you much you make at your job divided by the national debt of Peru? Something like that ;)

Yeah we're all aware of your awesome compensation calculation math.

What was it again? Something about how you much you make at your job multiplied by the national debt of Peru? Something like that ;)

Fixed ;)

Ah shucks, usually I go totally un-noticed in forums. I guess I've always just needed to take it to a Whole New Level (WNL).

But...if we get a free arcade game...how can we even play it if LIVE is still FUBAR?
"Nice little catch that Catch-22..."

When Live was messed up Saturday night I tried to get on for 5 minutes,gave up,went and banged my girlfriend,and those 3 minutes were just enough time for Live to straighten out just enough to get in a couple matches.
Should I be compensated for those 3 minutes? By my calculations :rolleyes: ...thats $1.87. Imean...that was 3 minutes I could have been playing Live if it werent fubar'd..
I think Ill sue....

When Live was messed up Saturday night I tried to get on for 5 minutes,gave up,went and banged my girlfriend,and those 3 minutes were just enough time for Live to straighten out just enough to get in a couple matches.
Should I be compensated for those 3 minutes? By my calculations :rolleyes: ...thats $1.87. Imean...that was 3 minutes I could have been playing Live if it werent fubar'd..
I think Ill sue....

$1.87? is that all? She pays me three times that for that much time :cool:

http://www.gamingsteve.com/archives/2008/01/xbox-live-lawsuit-not-worth-more-than-a-few-pennies.php


Xbox Live Class Action Lawsuit Worth Pennies, Not Millions
A few days ago three angry Texas gamers filed a class action lawsuit against Microsoft for holiday Xbox Live outages to the tune of $5 million US Dollars. I was going over the case, examining their potential damages, and determined that this lawsuit makes absolutely no sense to me.

Okay, so maybe Microsoft had unexpected downtime, but demanding 365/24/7 service is expecting God-like powers from Microsoft. If it were quantified into actual lost funds, Microsoft’s announced free game offer is very generous.

When you join Xbox Live, you agree to a contractual Terms of Use that you must agree to in order to join. Those terms include downtimes as necessary and paragraph 16, where you accept limited liability and no warranty. Here is that portion of the document:

16. WE MAKE NO WARRANTY We provide the Service "as-is," "with all faults" and "as available." The Microsoft Parties give no express warranties, guarantees or conditions. You may have additional consumer rights under your local laws that this contract cannot change. To the extent permitted by law, we exclude the implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, workmanlike effort and non-infringement.
Xbox Live users are subject to downtimes, regardless of reasons or causes. Basically, if Microsoft provides the service that you pay for, you have no other say in the matter.

And even if Microsoft is liable for the downtime, the actual refund amount may shock you.

If you are a Silver member, or one on a free trial offer, Microsoft owes you nothing as the service provided is cost you nothing. If you are a Gold member, you can divide up your yearly fee to a daily fee. $50 US Dollars for an annual fee is approximately 13.7 cents a day. The downtime was about 6 days, which ends up being 82 cents.

So as compensation for the downtime Microsoft is offering a free XBLA game to Xbox Live users. This offer will most likely be a game worth $5 USD. Not only do they owe Live users nothing, but this offer is generous! If you accept the game, you cannot participate in the class action and lose your claim of your 82 cents. I advise you to take the game offer.

Lawyers have a bad reputation for frivolous lawsuits. This class action suit is just one of the many reasons for that negative stereotype. It is obvious the lawyers taking on this case have not done their homework and are showing their inexperience in an embarrassingly public way. After all, what do you call a lawyer who graduates last in his class? You call him “attorney.”

Microsoft has a legal team the size of some companies, I am sure they have reviewed in great detail what the risks are here. The RROD's were another story, obviously the early risk assessment was not accurate as their product was much more instable then they first realized.

When Live was messed up Saturday night I tried to get on for 5 minutes,gave up,went and banged my girlfriend,and those 3 minutes were just enough time for Live to straighten out just enough to get in a couple matches.
Should I be compensated for those 3 minutes? By my calculations :rolleyes: ...thats $1.87. Imean...that was 3 minutes I could have been playing Live if it werent fubar'd..
I think Ill sue....

Wow talk about 1 minute man :D

They do offer Viagra for men you know.

The downtime was about 6 days, which ends up being 82 cents.


where did they learn how to count? it's still not fixed and its nearing the end of the 8th already.

Alright, thats it! I can't take it anymore and I can't believe I'm paying for a service that is NOT working. I still can't play freakin xbox live and it's been like this for almost a month. It will only let me play maybe 10% of the time. Forget it I refuse to put up with this any longer. An arcade game isn't going to cut it M$, oh yeah dollar sign, thats how angry I am:eek:

So stop paying for it.

5150 Do you work for Microsoft? You sure do defend Microsoft's problems alot.

5150 Do you work for Microsoft? You sure do defend Microsoft's problems a lot.

No, he was just blessed with the powers of logic and common sense.
If your not happy with the service and their method of compensation, cancel and get a refund. If they don't correct the problem, the marketplace will for them. Don't expect a handout.
I got in on the Xbox Live in the second beta wave and this is the first time a problem has lingered like this, so I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over it.

Oh, so if a consumer thinks they should get the service they pay for then they do not have common sense? I guess I have no common sense. I am not a zombie consumer.

Oh and by the way, I am not asking for a hand out. I could care less about the $5 I have lost due to Microsoft’s problem delivering their service. I do have a problem with the lack of resolution to the problem. And I don't buy the excuse that they did not expect the number of new users. Did they just manufacture millions of 360's and think nobody would actually hook them up. No, they had a very good estimate of how many new users were online. It is going on 3 weeks and the problem has gotten worse.

Oh, so if a consumer thinks they should get the service they pay for then they do not have common sense? I guess I have no common sense. I am not a zombie consumer.

Oh and by the way, I am not asking for a hand out. I could care less about the $5 I have lost due to Microsoft’s problem delivering their service. I do have a problem with the lack of resolution to the problem. And I don't buy the excuse that they did not expect the number of new users. Did they just manufacture millions of 360's and think nobody would actually hook them up. No, they had a very good estimate of how many new users were online. It is going on 3 weeks and the problem has gotten worse.

It's ridiculous to assume just because you're paying for a service it's gonna work 100% of the time. Are you telling me your cable has never gone out? Your power has never gone out? You internet has never dropped the connection?

Yes, XBL has been down for a long time for some of us at this point but why is it so hard to believe MS didn't quite expect the 360 userbase to grow as much as it did over the holiday season? What do you think happened if your so smart? Is MS just screwin with us to be a bunch of pricks? This is the first time in the 5 year history of Live that this has happened and all of sudden the once loyal fanbase lauding XBL as the greatest online gaming network in the world (which it is IMHO) can't be a little understanding of the fact that the userbase just got a lot bigger and the servers are getting pummeled.

So yes, if you have a problem with this stop playing on XBL and stop your bitching with it. I'm gonna wait till Live's back up and enjoy the greatest gaming network ever.

By the way don't bother giving me the classic response of calling me one of those people who loves a company so much he will defend everything it does to the bitter end. I'm not, I have more than my fair share of complaints against Sony, Nintendo, and MS and I don't have a problem being vocal about them. But bitching about this with some of the piss poor arguments I've heard is downright obnoxious.

Edit: I think some of the people complaining about Live being down should try living away from civilization for awhile and pay a visit to a nice rural town. I've been dealing with crappy cable that screws up all the time and slow internet connections that drop multiple times a week my whole life, you don't hear me bitching about my DSL provider everytime my connection drops for a few hours. I go find other things to do, you should try the same.

Thanks, I am going to go outside now

It's ridiculous to assume just because you're paying for a service it's gonna work 100% of the time. Are you telling me your cable has never gone out? Your power has never gone out? You internet has never dropped the connection?

And you're telling me you accept those outages with a grin on your face? I get pissed when my **** goes out. But guess what! It never goes out for more than a few hours, 12 perhaps at most. This is almost 3 full weeks here.

Yes, XBL has been down for a long time for some of us at this point but why is it so hard to believe MS didn't quite expect the 360 userbase to grow as much as it did over the holiday season? What do you think happened if your so smart?

Because they spent the entire year talking about how awesome the Xbox was doing, how awesome XBL was doing, how awesome Christmas was gonna be. They shipped the units to stores, they knew how many they sold, they should've made sure there was capacity. Come on man, its Microsoft! They know how these things work.


Edit: I think some of the people complaining about Live being down should try living away from civilization for awhile and pay a visit to a nice rural town. I've been dealing with crappy cable that screws up all the time and slow internet connections that drop multiple times a week my whole life, you don't hear me bitching about my DSL provider everytime my connection drops for a few hours. I go find other things to do, you should try the same.

Sorry to hear that. But one has nothing to do with the other.

one of the problems with using electricity, and water,as a point of comparison... all those are pay by consumption.

If i don't use water, i don't pay for it.

If i can't use it, i don't use it, i don't pay for it.

For cable, phone and internet, my companies grant pro rated credits for service outages.

MS should do the same.

one of the problems with using electricity, and water,as a point of comparison... all those are pay by consumption.

If i don't use water, i don't pay for it.

If i can't use it, i don't use it, i don't pay for it.

For cable, phone and internet, my companies grant pro rated credits for service outages.

MS should do the same.

You should have pointed all this out 6 years ago before it went online. Maybe your input would have made a difference 3 weeks ago?

And you're telling me you accept those outages with a grin on your face? I get pissed when my **** goes out. But guess what! It never goes out for more than a few hours, 12 perhaps at most. This is almost 3 full weeks here.



Because they spent the entire year talking about how awesome the Xbox was doing, how awesome XBL was doing, how awesome Christmas was gonna be. They shipped the units to stores, they knew how many they sold, they should've made sure there was capacity. Come on man, its Microsoft! They know how these things work.



Sorry to hear that. But one has nothing to do with the other.

Well I'm sorry you get "pissed when your **** goes out", some of you guys should really try going without sometime. I know people who don't even have a TV and they're some of the happiest people I know. I know other people who would kill to have some of the stuff you take for granted everyday. So please stop your bitching that your online video games haven't been working for a few weeks. You sound like a group of whiny children who are never satisfied and always think the world owes them something. Grow up.

So stop paying for it.

Oh wow, yeah, very smart. Why didnt I think of that?:rolleyes: Stop riding microsoft so hard.

edit: bkchurch, what is your problem? Maybe you should do some growing up, and maybe try posting something intelligent? Taking things for granted has almost nothing to do with this. Maybe you just can't comprehend what's going on here idk...you make no sense...

edit 2: Just got off the phone with dumb tech support because I felt like yelling at someone and I feel much better now. Anyways I'm canceling my account in the morning. PC gaming here I come! Bravo M$ for losing a 5 year Live subscriber!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

If I worked for MS, I wouldn't be suggesting that someone take their business elsewhere.

Some people have acted like children about this whole thing. This is a video game network. It's not your wife cheating on you, it's not a child being born with a problem, it's not a car accident, it's not even a bad day on the stock market. Should people be disappointed? You bet. If they're as upset as they say they are, they'll stop whining and start getting on with finding an alternative.

If this goes on for another month, is it still ok?

Well I'm sorry you get "pissed when your **** goes out", some of you guys should really try going without sometime. I know people who don't even have a TV and they're some of the happiest people I know. I know other people who would kill to have some of the stuff you take for granted everyday. So please stop your bitching that your online video games haven't been working for a few weeks. You sound like a group of whiny children who are never satisfied and always think the world owes them something. Grow up.

And you sound like a holier than thou asswipe that thinks he's better than everyone in this thread. So I guess we are even.

Bottom line: we paid for a service, we want to use the service, Microsoft's service and communications have been totally subpar. Maybe you are happy with this subpar service, that's fine, but don't act like you're superior to those who are not.

Oh wow, yeah, very smart. Why didnt I think of that?:rolleyes: Stop riding microsoft so hard.

edit: bkchurch, what is your problem? Maybe you should do some growing up, and maybe try posting something intelligent? Taking things for granted has almost nothing to do with this. Maybe you just can't comprehend what's going on here idk...you make no sense...

edit 2: Just got off the phone with dumb tech support because I felt like yelling at someone(oHHHH you gave them the Big boy voice) and I feel much better now. Anyways I'm canceling my account in the morning. PC gaming here I come! Bravo M$ for losing a 5 year Live subscriber!

YAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN bye.

By the way why wait in the morning you could have asked tech support or go to www.xbox.com to instruct on how to do that. Some of you leave yourself so wide open for this. Boy what the internet has brought out in people. :rolleyes:

If this goes on for another month, is it still ok?

If it goes on another month that is someone elses problem to decide. I was up and running 3 days after xmas so the clock started over 2 weeks ago :cool:

If this goes on for another month, is it still ok?

Another month? It hasn't gone on a month. I've put in something like 27 hours on COD4 this last month, with most of that being post-Xmas.

Inflating and exaggerating the problem just makes you come off as a child.

I've had live since the beta, way back whenever that was. Sometimes I use it a lot. Sometimes I don't touch it for months. It's just one of my hobbies. When my May camping trips along Lake Superior are cold, wet, and miserable I don't demand that the state parks give me a refund. When it's too windy out to fly my RC planes, I don't stomp around and demand that I receive a portion of my annual club dues back. When my car breaks down, I don't swear off driving and ride the bus. When my girlfriend... well, they're sometimes replaceable.

The point is that absolutely nothing in my life has guarantees. The things I love and enjoy often have problems. If the problems get bigger than the joy I get, I find other things to do. If Live! has too many problems when I want to play it, I'll not renew at the end of my subscription. I got by just fine before it, and I'll get by just fine without it. There are plenty of other ways for me to use my disposable income and time.

I do feel very badly for those of you that don't have any other ways to spend your free time. With all possible sincerity, I think that's very, very sad.

Alright, thats it! I can't take it anymore and I can't believe I'm paying for a service that is NOT working. I still can't play freakin xbox live and it's been like this for almost a month. It will only let me play maybe 10% of the time. Forget it I refuse to put up with this any longer. An arcade game isn't going to cut it M$, oh yeah dollar sign, thats how angry I am:eek:

Not singling you out Chase117, just using your post since it is similar in content to a multitude before you.

Question, I keep seeing "can't play xbox live". I acknowledge the "issues" at hand. But what does everyone (most) mean by the above. I am assuming COD4. Most of you state "play", not blades are slow, signing in at startup is slow (which has been true during this time, but certainly not rampant).

So if those still with issues cannot "PLAY" xbox live, what are you trying to play?

In COD4's case, could it not be the way COD4 is running their online? I remember seeing the exact same errors/issue/conditions while playing their beta for COD4. Disappointing when you can't get into a match, find games, etc., but I am willing to move on to some Mass Effect at that point.

Been online gaming since the early days of online PC gaming. I expect for things to go wrong "once in a while". Heck, being an IT person my job depends on it, so to speak. :D

Just curious.

XBL has been slow, the dashboard has been slow, but the only game I have had trouble with is COD4, does this suck, sure it does but I just find another game to go play online until they get it figured out. They will get things running again smoothly.

I dont know if any of you noticed but before christmas every time I played cod4 my playlist would show about 90,000 peeps, this past sat night when I got on there it showed 345,000 peeps....congrats to Infinity Ward and MS, now please fix the service so us vets of live can play with the christmas noobs:D....

One bad thing is that this outage is rare for live, we all know that but what do all the noobs think that just got an x box for christmas and are trying to play live?

Another month? It hasn't gone on a month. I've put in something like 27 hours on COD4 this last month, with most of that being post-Xmas.

Inflating and exaggerating the problem just makes you come off as a child.

I've had live since the beta, way back whenever that was. Sometimes I use it a lot. Sometimes I don't touch it for months. It's just one of my hobbies. When my May camping trips along Lake Superior are cold, wet, and miserable I don't demand that the state parks give me a refund. When it's too windy out to fly my RC planes, I don't stomp around and demand that I receive a portion of my annual club dues back. When my car breaks down, I don't swear off driving and ride the bus. When my girlfriend... well, they're sometimes replaceable.

The point is that absolutely nothing in my life has guarantees. The things I love and enjoy often have problems. If the problems get bigger than the joy I get, I find other things to do. If Live! has too many problems when I want to play it, I'll not renew at the end of my subscription. I got by just fine before it, and I'll get by just fine without it. There are plenty of other ways for me to use my disposable income and time.

I do feel very badly for those of you that don't have any other ways to spend your free time. With all possible sincerity, I think that's very, very sad.


From what I'm gathering, most people who are upset are upset because they paid for something they aren't receiving. If you paid the park service for providing good weather and it rained, would you have the same attitude? I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of other things to do, i think it's about getting what a customer has paid for. You and I may be fine with the 3 bucks or so we have lost out on during this period of craptastic service from Live. I'm not upset about it in the least, because I think overall, the entertainment value I've received from Live has been well worth the fee. But, I sure wouldn't rip on other people for being angry about it. They have a legitimate beef and consumers should be concerned about the money they have spent, even if that sum seems trivial to some people.

From what I'm gathering, most people who are upset are upset because they paid for something they aren't receiving. If you paid the park service for providing good weather and it rained, would you have the same attitude? I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of other things to do, i think it's about getting what a customer has paid for. You and I may be fine with the 3 bucks or so we have lost out on during this period of craptastic service from Live. I'm not upset about it in the least, because I think overall, the entertainment value I've received from Live has been well worth the fee. But, I sure wouldn't rip on other people for being angry about it. They have a legitimate beef and consumers should be concerned about the money they have spent, even if that sum seems trivial to some people.

Well said!!

From what I'm gathering, most people who are upset are upset because they paid for something they aren't receiving.

The tune changes. For a lot of the complainers, it was that they had time to play around the holidays and apparently couldn't.

You may not like my analogies, but they're sound. Nobody ever promised me 100% uptime on Live. The point is that few things in life are perfect, and that there will always be times when something we want to do isn't available to us for reasons beyond our control.

... So please stop your bitching that your online video games haven't been working for a few weeks. You sound like a group of whiny children who are never satisfied and always think the world owes them something. Grow up.

Am I the only one who sees irony in somebody bitching about other people bitching? Or whining about other people whining?

You're on a forum. If you dont like what people are writing, you dont have to read it. The title of the thread should tell you that you're not going to hear people talking about how wonderful the outside world is and how XBL being down has made them realize exactly how wonderful grass feels when you're laying on it.

So... quit your bitching... (couldnt resist:p)

Am I the only one who sees irony in somebody bitching about other people bitching? Or whining about other people whining?

You're on a forum. If you dont like what people are writing, you dont have to read it. The title of the thread should tell you that you're not going to hear people talking about how wonderful the outside world is and how XBL being down has made them realize exactly how wonderful grass feels when you're laying on it.

So... quit your bitching... (couldnt resist:p)

So you're whining about the whining that is being done about the whining... :D

So you're whining about the whining that is being done about the whining... :D

Dammit... You got me! I knew my head hurt for a reason!:D

Its odd that IGN hasn't mentioned it at all....

I noticed last night that gamertags aren't loading. I get "????????".

Its odd that IGN hasn't mentioned it at all....

I noticed last night that gamertags aren't loading. I get "????????".

In the guide?

Bizarre. Last night the guide was relatively quick. I saw no issues.

I didn't try COD4, but again, I think the network design of that game is just flawed.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the patch for COD4 is being delayed so that the way the networking works can be changed in conjunction with a server side application change.

When Live was messed up Saturday night I tried to get on for 5 minutes,gave up,went and banged my girlfriend,and those 3 minutes were just enough time for Live to straighten out just enough to get in a couple matches.


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Its odd that IGN hasn't mentioned it at all....

I noticed last night that gamertags aren't loading. I get "????????".

Had that happening last night also, but only certain gamertags, not in the game itself, but in my recent players list. I also noticed my profile on xbox.com at times was coming up as not found, so my best guess was they were f'ing with whatever server infrastructure they have trying to improve things, and had some hangups...

It's definitely annoying that I can't play COD4. I also can't get into blades to download two movies I wanted to watch in HD.

On a plus side I've had plenty of time to play veteran campaign on COD4 and I have 92% of the achievement points. I now have Mass Effect to start playing.

It's definitely frustrating especially when you try to get in a game and my console freezes up and I have to turn it off. I do expect MS to rectify the situation because I did pay for 12 months of service that I'm not receiving. But I expect them to do so because while they do have problems, they seem to be pretty fair when fixing a situation.

And you sound like a holier than thou asswipe that thinks he's better than everyone in this thread. So I guess we are even.

Bottom line: we paid for a service, we want to use the service, Microsoft's service and communications have been totally subpar. Maybe you are happy with this subpar service, that's fine, but don't act like you're superior to those who are not.

Holier than thou? Nope, certainly not. I'm just annoyed by whiny people who expect everything to go their way all the time in life. **** happens, that's life, deal with it and move on. I think it's hilarious people are saying Live is a crap service all of a sudden and they're canceling their subscription over this when up until this point Live has been a sublime service that had nary a hiccup. People's impatience astounds me.

I'm just telling you to try and look at things as not being so bad, yea so Live was down. Gives you time to do other things, go play some single-player, go spend some time with the fam, go outside, go do something.

For the record I'm not bitching about people's bitching. I'm just telling people to grow up, partially because they need to grow up and partially because I enjoy annoying *******s.

I remember when MS said this about Sony:

"It is not in Sony's DNA to be able to get that up and running from zero. We learned from the get go that you want single gamer profiles, you want consistent presence. I want to know where you are and what you're playing.
It's going to take them a couple of years to get up to speed on this. And I'm not sure that they necessarily have the talent, or that it's built into who they are as a company."

I dont pay too much attention, but did Sony's online network crash too?

I remember when MS said this about Sony:

"It is not in Sony's DNA to be able to get that up and running from zero. We learned from the get go that you want single gamer profiles, you want consistent presence. I want to know where you are and what you're playing.
It's going to take them a couple of years to get up to speed on this. And I'm not sure that they necessarily have the talent, or that it's built into who they are as a company."

I dont pay too much attention, but did Sony's online network crash too?

Do you always buy into what marketers say?

I have a bridge you may be interested in.

I think it's hilarious people are saying Live is a crap service all of a sudden and they're canceling their subscription over this when up until this point Live has been a sublime service that had nary a hiccup.

The ones that cancel their subscription are the respectable ones. At least they're following through with their convictions. The rest? They're a bunch of venters.

I dont pay too much attention, but did Sony's online network crash too?

No, nor has Sony's network been up for five years, and had even close to the userbase of XBL. **** like this happens and it's not always a simple fix, why don't people get this?

No, nor has Sony's network been up for five years, and had even close to the userbase of XBL. **** like this happens and it's not always a simple fix, why don't people get this?

I think that Sony's network is far less complex.

its like Vista. Why do they keep adding so much software code behind their products that it completely bogs stuff down? They are doing this more and more with each live update. I should be able to turn off their ads and gain system performance. Just like the 'increased blade performance' update they recently had. Yeah the blade pops out quick, but it still takes a while to load the info. It just appears to work better, but it actually takes the same amount of time.

Turn off the marketplace and all the quirky junk and do the game matchmaking...at least until they fix it.

They should have a failover in place.

In the guide?

Bizarre. Last night the guide was relatively quick. I saw no issues.

I didn't try COD4, but again, I think the network design of that game is just flawed.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the patch for COD4 is being delayed so that the way the networking works can be changed in conjunction with a server side application change.

I played for about 2 hours COD 4 last night and had no problems.