i have read some people, almost in anger saying something to the effect "ok its over, time to go blu"

maybe people who bought into hd-dvd for $98.00 cant afford $350-$500 for a new player.

anyone considered that.??

i got my friend to jump on the hd wagon for $98.00, there is no way he is going to go blu, kids mortgage ect...he will just buy/rent standard if he really wants to see the movie.

its not a slam on blu, but man a car payment for player is a heck of a-lot for most people.:o

i have read some people, almost in anger saying something to the effect "ok its over, time to go blu"

maybe people who bought into hd-dvd for $98.00 cant afford $350-$500 for a new player.

anyone considered that.??

i got my friend to jump on the hd wagon for $98.00, there is no way he is going to go blu, kids mortgage ect...he will just buy/rent standard if he really wants to see the movie.

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that's fine. this is still a luxury item. nobody is expecting your friend to rush out right now and buy a bluray player.

but considering announcements like the Funai players being sold in NA for sub-$300 (http://funai.us/bluRayDiscFunai.aspx), then your friend will have a viable and affordable option in a relatively short time if and when he decides to jump onto the hd wagon...again.

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$299..???????????:rolleyes:

i have read some people, almost in anger saying something to the effect "ok its over, time to go blu"

maybe people who bought into hd-dvd for $98.00 cant afford $350-$500 for a new player.

anyone considered that.??

i got my friend to jump on the hd wagon for $98.00, there is no way he is going to go blu, kids mortgage ect...he will just buy/rent standard if he really wants to see the movie.

its not a slam on blu, but man a car payment for player is a heck of a-lot for most people.:o

The prices will slowly come down man. But in the near future you will get a lot of **** from your friend. :o

Do you really put the ownership of a HD Media player on the level of a car payment, food or house payment??

It is a luxury item not a 'need'. Your friend could have spent $39 on a DVD player, buy / rent discs for cheap and been happy as a clam and still well within his budget constraints.

If money is so tight that a $99 is affordable but $350 is simply out of the question, it begs the question of the need to jump into the format war in unsettled, high priced times..? Better advice for your friend in his situation would have been to it it out for a year and then re-evaluate.

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$299..???????????:rolleyes:

I think you missed the poster's main point which was... your friend will survive without going Blu-Ray right now. As far as I know, Blu-Ray has not overtaken oxygen nor water as the most important necessities for life. Instead you chose to focus on the two words sub 300 for some reason.

i have read some people, almost in anger saying something to the effect "ok its over, time to go blu"

maybe people who bought into hd-dvd for $98.00 cant afford $350-$500 for a new player...

Then you certenly can't afford a HD display and to buy HD DVD's/BD's (the real costs), so you don't need to be in this hobby.;)

If you can afford the kind of HDTV you need to enjoy 1080p blu-ray, you can sure as hell afford one of the players too.

well when up-converting players are in the same price range.


i think not.

and in your mind there may not be a difference between 99 and $350, but it is in many.

Do you really put the ownership of a HD Media player on the level of a car payment, food or house payment??

It is a luxury item not a 'need'. Your friend could have spent $39 on a DVD player, buy / rent discs for cheap and been happy as a clam and still well within his budget constraints.

If money is so tight that a $99 is affordable but $350 is simply out of the question, it begs the question of the need to jump into the format war in unsettled, high priced times..? Better advice for your friend in his situation would have been to it it out for a year and then re-evaluate.

So your explanation is that with HD DVD even though he could get absolute same quality as Blu-Ray for $99 and he can't afford a $300-$400 Blu-Ray player, that's ok because hi-def player in general is suppose to be a luxury item?

Jesus.

well when up-converting players are in the same price range.


i think not.

and in your mind there may not be a difference between 99 and $350, but it is in many.

Wow who here could tell the difference between the numbers 99 and 350 since they were I dunno... in kindergarten? Seriously you are just ignoring what people are saying to you. People aren't saying $350 is just as cheap as $99, they are saying your friend doesn't need to be adopting Blu-Ray right now if he has more pressing financial responsibilities.

So your explanation is that with HD DVD even though he could get absolute same quality as Blu-Ray for $99 and he can't afford a $300-$400 Blu-Ray player, that's ok because HD is suppose to be a luxury item?

Jesus.



wow


where do you get that..??


you answered your own question...???:rolleyes:

Wow who here could tell the difference between the numbers 99 and 350 since they were I dunno... in kindergarten? Seriously you are just ignoring what people are saying to you. People aren't saying $350 is just as cheap as $99, they are saying your friend doesn't need to be adopting Blu-Ray right now if he has more pressing financial responsibilities.



i am pretty sure thats not what they are saying.

Wow who here could tell the difference between the numbers 99 and 350 since they were I dunno... in kindergarten? Seriously you are just ignoring what people are saying to you. People aren't saying $350 is just as cheap as $99, they are saying your friend doesn't need to be adopting Blu-Ray right now if he has more pressing financial responsibilities.

Again, this is why Blu-Ray is doomed if it becomes the only format.

With HD DVD everyone could afford it now.. with Blu-Ray that person will wait another 2 years before he gets a $100 Blu-Ray player that plays ever feature on a disc.

There's the death of HDM for you right there. Niche format all the way to the trashcan.

i have read some people, almost in anger saying something to the effect "ok its over, time to go blu"

maybe people who bought into hd-dvd for $98.00 cant afford $350-$500 for a new player.

anyone considered that.??

i got my friend to jump on the hd wagon for $98.00, there is no way he is going to go blu, kids mortgage ect...he will just buy/rent standard if he really wants to see the movie.

its not a slam on blu, but man a car payment for player is a heck of a-lot for most people.:o

You're right. Blu-ray is a luxury. Those people who can't afford it should stay clear from it and focus on feeding their kids.

It's called "priorities" and Blu-ray isn't one of them.

Congratulations, you've posted one of the most shameless posts I've seen on AVS.

And who told you life was fair?

So your explanation is that with HD DVD even though he could get absolute same quality as Blu-Ray for $99 and he can't afford a $300-$400 Blu-Ray player, that's ok because HD is suppose to be a luxury item?

Jesus.

Warner allegedly went blu to help create mass adoption but most people aren't willing to spend 300+ on a player. See what $500 million does to your logic.

Again, this is why Blu-Ray is doomed if it becomes the only format.

With HD DVD everyone could afford it now.. with Blu-Ray that person will wait another 2 years before he gets a $100 Blu-Ray player that plays ever feature on a disc.

There's the death of HDM for you right there. Niche format all the way to the trashcan.

You're full of it. hddvd players are from 200-350 now. The new Funai will be around $250.

You can't count a 3 day fire sale and say hddvd's $98 forever. C'mon!

wow


where do you get that..??


you answered your own question...???:rolleyes:

Read again what I wrote. I'm supporting your friend. He SHOULD have the possibility to watch hi-def for $99 now.. not be forced to wait 2 years because Blu-Ray is suppose to be a luxury item.

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$299..???????????:rolleyes:

There's always things on sale less than msrp, but I agree with the statement that this is a still a box that plays movies. It should be pretty far down on the list of priorities. If mortgage payments are a concern, why is he even thinking of buying a hdtv and a highdef player?

Sorry, I'm just thinking out loud. Never mind me.

Read again what I wrote. I'm supporting your friend. He SHOULD have the possibility to watch hi-def for $99 now.. not be forced to wait 2 years because Blu-Ray is suppose to be a luxury item.

Where is this mythical $99 player out right now?

So your explanation is that with HD DVD even though he could get absolute same quality as Blu-Ray for $99 and he can't afford a $300-$400 Blu-Ray player, that's ok because HD is suppose to be a luxury item?

Jesus.

$99 was a sale price, so can i just take the lowest sale price of a BR player and use that like it's an SRP? since that's what you seem to enjoy doing?

next gen dvd IS a luxury item. Haha. What are you talking about? Go look at the hd-dvd players on the market. And HD-DVD discs. See? Luxury item. Toshiba decides to take a loss and whore $99 players for a few days and now you're mad that a manufacturer who isn't pressed to pull the same, desperate move isn't selling their product for the same price?

Let me ask you Bozster: if the sales figures were flipped and HD-DVD was in bluray's position, you still think toshiba would have $99 players bundled with 10 movies?

i am pretty sure thats not what they are saying.

actually, it IS.

And who told you life was fair?

What a wonderful response that has add nothing to the arguments.

Yeah, we'll be paying $300-$400 for Blu-Ray players, a bunch of people can't afford HD now, but hey.. you know, who told us life is fair?

Comments like this disgust me.

So your explanation is that with HD DVD even though he could get absolute same quality as Blu-Ray for $99 and he can't afford a $300-$400 Blu-Ray player, that's ok because hi-def player in general is suppose to be a luxury item?

Jesus.

My point flew right over your head...

If someone's budget is so tight, why invest in HD Media at a time when the outcome is uncertain, titles are expensive, and your choice in formats has a 50/50 chance of being wrong.

In case you haven't noticed, the country is in a debt crisis, HD DVD/ BD is a luxury.

So your explanation is that with HD DVD even though he could get absolute same quality as Blu-Ray for $99 and he can't afford a $300-$400 Blu-Ray player, that's ok because hi-def player in general is suppose to be a luxury item?

Jesus.

The real problem is the movies are not cheap. To rent or to buy. If someone sells a $9.99 shiny golden razor, will you buy it if each blade costs $2? Answer: only if you can afford the $2 blades, because you're going to need a lot of those blades. Even if someone sells the same razor for $1, you have nothing to shave with if you can't afford the blades.

If someone is really that tight in terms of disposable income, then highdef is the wrong place to be spending money. Shelter, Food, Transportation to work, those are real needs, not movies.

My point flew right over your head...

If someone's budget is so tight, why invest in HD Media at a time when the outcome is uncertain, titles are expensive, and your choice in formats has a 50/50 chance of being wrong.

In case you haven't noticed, the country is in a debt crisis, HD DVD/ BD is a luxury.

With posts this clear I don't know how the OP can be saying that we aren't all simply giving his friend the advice that perhaps jumping into Blu-Ray is not the highest priority.

Wait let me say it once again... Your friend doesn't need to be buying into Blu-Ray if times are tough and money is scarce.

HE BOUGHT AN UP CONVERTING DVD PLAYER..!!!!!! FOR $99.00



thats it...read the first post.

did he buy transformers in hd yes. by the way it looks awesome..!!!!!!!!

does he own a hd tv.......yes.

is it 1080p. no. relax.

hd-dvd took a huge blow, and blu ray is to expensive, and relies on a video game to save it.

and for anyone out there who bashes someone for buying a $98 hd player that is "dead" as some would say. how many people bought 1st or even second gen blu stand alone players..talk about foolish.

hows that samsung 1000 working for ya, great picture, or that new awesome 1400, great paperweight.

those in glass houses.....ahh forget it.

HE BOUGHT AN UP CONVERTING DVD PLAYER..!!!!!! FOR $99.00



thats it...read the first post.

did he buy transformers in hd yes. by the way it looks awesome..!!!!!!!!

does he own a hd tv.......yes.

is it 1080p. no. relax.

hd-dvd took a huge blow, and blu ray is to expensive, and relies on a video game to save it.

and for anyone out there who bashes someone for buying a $98 hd player that is "dead" as some would say. how many people bought 1st or even second gen blu stand alone players..talk about foolish.

hows that samsung 1000 working for ya, great picture, or that new awesome 1400, great paperweight.

those in glass houses.....ahh forget it.

...

I'm just curious... how old are you truthfully?

I like paying less for things. I think we all want our toys to cost less. But these are toys and the 'my poor friend cant afford this mess' is a hilarious thing to say. Cash it, Charge it, or dont do it.

I get why people are upset, but the poor me I cant afford it thing isn't going to get you a lot of sympathy here. We are either rich or in debt here...and loving it all the way haha.

Your first post says nothing about upconverting, and now you're saying he got that plus HD transformers? Huh?

Wait let me say it once again... Your friend doesn't need to be buying into Blu-Ray if times are tough and money is scarce.[/QUOTE]





easy on the attacks.

times are not tough for him, nor is his money scarce....some people just purchase with cash, not plastic.

Oh, so now he's ok and just can't save up enough cash to buy one? wtf?

HE BOUGHT AN UP CONVERTING DVD PLAYER..!!!!!! FOR $99.00



thats it...read the first post.

did he buy transformers in hd yes. by the way it looks awesome..!!!!!!!!

does he own a hd tv.......yes.

is it 1080p. no. relax.

hd-dvd took a huge blow, and blu ray is to expensive, and relies on a video game to save it.

and for anyone out there who bashes someone for buying a $98 hd player that is "dead" as some would say. how many people bought 1st or even second gen blu stand alone players..talk about foolish.

hows that samsung 1000 working for ya, great picture, or that new awesome 1400, great paperweight.



relies on a video game to save it? lol.

i have a feeling you're just very bitter and you're using (and likely embellishing) your friend's situation to justify a personal opinion. your friend can afford an hdtv, an hd-dvd player, and $25 movies, but there's absolutely no way he can buy a bluray player. whatever.

i have read some people, almost in anger saying something to the effect "ok its over, time to go blu"

maybe people who bought into hd-dvd for $98.00 cant afford $350-$500 for a new player.

anyone considered that.??

i got my friend to jump on the hd wagon for $98.00, there is no way he is going to go blu, kids mortgage ect...he will just buy/rent standard if he really wants to see the movie.

its not a slam on blu, but man a car payment for player is a heck of a-lot for most people.:o

what? his kids are starving and you talked him into buying a $99 dvd upconverter? What were you thinking. His poor kids probably went hungry for a few hours!

I think I'm beginning to understand it now. His friend doesn't have money, but actually does have money. With said money he bought an HD-DVD player, but it wasn't an HD-DVD player only an upconverting DVD player. It's all making sense now.

$99 was a sale price, so can i just take the lowest sale price of a BR player and use that like it's an SRP? since that's what you seem to enjoy doing?


And what was the lowest Blu-Ray price? $280 and that player was completely no comparable feature wise to the $99 one.

Please, even without $99 players I bought my A30 for $197, and my friend bought an A3 at about $150 or so.

The fact that Toshiba had sales at $99 is BAD? GIVE ME A BREAK..

What the hell is wrong with you people? I mean seriously?

What you keep saying is that it's ok that we will be paying $300+ for player instead of $100-$150?

You justify Blu-Ray being higher in price WHY? Because it makes more profit for a company?

I'm just not following your logic.


Toshiba decides to take a loss and whore $99 players and now you're mad that a manufacturer who isn't pressed to pull the same, desperate move isn't selling their product for the same price?


What? Your statements are becoming COMPLETELY out of whack. Please read what you are saying. You are going into speculations and your personal opinion and what you've been drinking through BLu-Ray PR. I'm mad because we are forced into a format where people are now say hey life is not fair, "Screw your friends, if he can't pay $400 for a player he needs to wait, it's a luxury item". And yes, I am mad that with Blu-Ray we can't get $99 player even with sales that do the same thing. And this was decided by money and payoffs not consumers.

Seriously dude, how do you live with your self supporting crap like that. These type of responses obviously reveal a lot of about twisted views and selfish and self-serving personality of people supporting Blu-Ray.

$99 players ended up in consumers hands. DONE. Why? Who gives a crap! They have their own calculation, but the bottom line is people who couldn't afford HD now had it. They sold most likely over 150k players lightning fast.

Whether it's desperate or not, or they lose money it's your own opinion really and has not contact with facts. Ask Sony with this same question and the $7 billion dollar loss over PS3. You are reaching for something where you are completely wrong.

If Blu-Ray can't be sold to the widest audience as format without coming out with bullshit excuses like "Hey you can't afford it, well tough ****, it's a luxury" with all features and beautiful hi-def quality and a competing format can one way or the other, then Blu-Ray is not the right format. That's it.



Let me ask you Bozster: if the sales figures were flipped and HD-DVD was in bluray's position, you still think toshiba would have $99 players bundled with 10 movies?


What sales figures, what are you talking about? Yes, HD DVD players would be cheap as the business model surrounding it was different. Toshiba was going razor/blades model and dropped their prices from the get go. The bottom line is it's competition.

Do you think that you would have a $300 Blu-Ray player, no matter how crappy it is, if it wasn't for HD DVD? You'd be still looking at $700-$800 players after a year and PS3 would still be $500-$600 if it wasn't for Xbox 360.

Obviously competition is good for consumer and now with Sony's excellent record of monopolistic and anti-consumer behavior we can expect, if indeed Blu-Ray wins, some very beautiful things (and that was sarcasm).

I think I'm beginning to understand it now. His friend doesn't have money, but actually does have money. With said money he bought an HD-DVD player, but it wasn't an HD-DVD player only an upconverting DVD player. It's all making sense now.

so buying a $99 upconverting dvd player is "jumping on the HD wagon" nowadays i guess?

so buying a $99 upconverting dvd player is "jumping on the HD wagon" nowadays i guess?

Who knows, I still am not sure what his friend ultimately bought.

Where is this mythical $99 player out right now?

They just finished another sale a week or two ago. It would've been a regular thing too very soon and quite possibly twin disc that would maximize consumer return for their money. Not to mention Venturer that was already very close to $150 in retail.

Please, stop making it look like HD DVD wasn't much cheaper. It was. It was a perfect hi-def entry point for mass market.

And what was the lowest Blu-Ray price? $280 and that player was completely no comparable feature wise to the $99 one.

Please, even without $99 players I bought my A30 for $197, and my friend bought an A3 at about $150 or so.

The fact that Toshiba had sales at $99 is BAD? GIVE ME A BREAK..

What the hell is wrong with you people? I mean seriously?

What you keep saying is that it's ok that we will be paying $300+ for player instead of $100-$150?

You justify Blu-Ray being higher in price WHY? Because it makes more profit for a company?
.

you have truly lost it.

How do I live with myself?? Maybe it's because I have the common sense to understand that new technology is expensive to produce but drops in price over time, as is evidenced by EVERY SINGLE consumer electronics product ever released??

Maybe it's because i know, from experience, that DVD was also not that affordable for years after release? instead of calling for $99 bluray players right f'ing now and accusing people of being corporate whores for CORRECTLY identifying next gen dvd hardware as a luxury item just like many consumer electronics products start out as luxury items and get cheaper?

oh and i know i dont have to point this out but i never said $99 players was bad, but stating WHY they were $99. You simply don't read.

futile argument. You'll be proven wrong. hardware will fall in price, this christmas you'll be able to snatch a bluray player for probably low $200 (SRP) with temporary sales of prices below that. and you? you'll probably be complaining that they're not $49.99 and going off asking people how they live with themselves supporting the exhorbitant prices. you're nuts.

i have read some people, almost in anger saying something to the effect "ok its over, time to go blu"

maybe people who bought into hd-dvd for $98.00 cant afford $350-$500 for a new player.

anyone considered that.??

i got my friend to jump on the hd wagon for $98.00, there is no way he is going to go blu, kids mortgage ect...he will just buy/rent standard if he really wants to see the movie.

its not a slam on blu, but man a car payment for player is a heck of a-lot for most people.:o

Folks wanting a taste now will pay the premium. I am sorry but DVD players a year or more into the game were 500 to 800 with some not offering dts decoding and slower that dirt to boot. When the players started to hit the 300 to 500 price point they bit. With the existance of two formats it has been a good thing as it has driven prices down much quicker. I do not buy that now all of a sudden the BDA will shoot itself in the foot and inflate prices. By years end there should be several BD players in the 200 to 300 range. The 98 to 150 player was an entry level player that offers good pq and aq however when comparing closer feature of 24FPS, 1.3a, 1080P, etc.. then you would have to compare to an HD-A35 which is closer in price. I am not made of money and I always welcome deals but to just expect and demand a cheap player is not reality. The BDA CE companies are in this to make some money. I actually think the inexpensive players offered by Toshiba was working against them. It was not an incentive to other CE companies that they would have to start at an inexpensive price point to keep up with Toshiba. Rebadging of a player is not a choice for most CE companies. We also have to remember that people like there panny, sony, sharp, and toshiba electronics. When there was one game in town no matter how cheap folks were left with no choice. I own both formats and if M$ offers a 360 with an internal hddvd player I'll bite to continue watching my HD-DVD's on something else that is not a Toshiba and offers the media capabilities of the PS3.

I think I'm beginning to understand it now. His friend doesn't have money, but actually does have money. With said money he bought an HD-DVD player, but it wasn't an HD-DVD player only an upconverting DVD player. It's all making sense now.

I don't understand. Who are you to analyze his friend and whether or not he has money or doesn't have money or what his motives are? This is completely irrelevant.

It's this.. guy wanted to get into HD when he saw $99 HD DVD player. He bought it.

He won't be buying Blu-Ray player at $300. It's simple. You follow?

$99 HD DVD = GOOD (brought more people into HDM)
$300+ Blu-Ray players = BAD (people are turned off = HDM sentenced to niche audience who can/wants to pay $300+)

And I'm very generous, we are actually talking about $400+ for Blu-Ray as what kind of goodwilled recommendation to a friend can be to buy something they'll have to rebuy next week and in addition it costs $300 to buy the first time.

$99 for cheaper renting HD movies is better for transition until prices fall down even more, than buying a $400 player renting movies and then having to rebuy a player again when 1.1-2.0 prices fall to $300 so you can watch all features on the discs as they are designed.

I don't understand. Who are you to analyze his friend and whether or not he has money or doesn't have money or what his motives are? This is completely irrelevant.

It's this.. guy wanted to get into HD when he saw $99 HD DVD player. He bought it.

He won't be buying Blu-Ray player at $300. It's simple. You follow?

$99 HD DVD = GOOD (brought more people into HDM)
$300+ Blu-Ray players = BAD (people are turned off = HDM sentenced to niche audience who can/wants to pay $300+)

And I'm very generous, we are actually talking about $400+ for Blu-Ray as what kind of goodwilled recommendation to a friend can be to buy something they'll have to rebuy next week and in addition it costs $300 to buy the first time.

$99 for cheaper renting HD movies is better for transition until prices fall down even more, than buying a $400 player renting movies and then having to rebuy a player again when 1.1-2.0 prices fall to $300 so you can watch all features on the discs as they are designed.

Who am I?

The OP posted a thread titled "has anyone even thought about the money?" I "thought about the money" and since he talks about his friend in relation to "thinking about the money", I along with many other people in this thread gave his friend the advice that perhaps he should NOT buy into Blu-Ray if finances are a barrier.

you have truly lost it.

How do I live with myself?? Maybe it's because I have the common sense to understand that new technology is expensive to produce but drops in price over time, as is evidenced by EVERY SINGLE consumer electronics product ever released??

Maybe it's because i know, from experience, that DVD was also not that affordable for years after release? instead of calling for $99 bluray players right f'ing now and accusing people of being corporate whores for CORRECTLY identifying next gen dvd hardware as a luxury item just like many consumer electronics products start out as luxury items and get cheaper?

oh and i know i dont have to point this out but i never said $99 players was bad, but stating WHY they were $99. You simply don't read.

futile argument. You'll be proven wrong. hardware will fall in price, this christmas you'll be able to snatch a bluray player for probably low $200 (SRP) with temporary sales of prices below that. and you? you'll probably be complaining that they're not $49.99 and going off asking people how they live with themselves supporting the exhorbitant prices. you're nuts.

So we need to pay for more for items now, because we paid more for DVDs? You are the one who lost it. Who came up with that rule? Why?

Competition between too formats allowed $99 players. Who gives a crap WHY they are $99, THEY ARE. 150k+ people bought them. People who wouldn't have entered HD market at all. Saying they need to be $300 because DVD was expensive is completely insane. Seriously.

The difference we are seeing between you and me, is because I'm pro consumer and you are pro-CE. You are saying that consumer should not get a quality and cheap product because a CE company needs to make good profit and then slowly lower the price. And then you say, because that's what happened with DVD. What the hell reason is that?

This type of reasoning is absolutely whack. This is why we are where we. Richer get richer and poorer get poorer because boundaries like this exist. Instead of all of us enjoying HDM for cheap we are presented with some BS theories on why we need to pay $300 for players. Laughable and sad at the same time.

And btw, everything that happend and if Blu-Ray wins over HD DVD in the format battle, it was not decided by consumers. It was decided again by corporate. Do I need to remind you that almost 45% of mainstream buyers were supporting HD DVD, 30% was undecided but the lower price would probably bring them in with HD DVD and only 20-something percent was Blu-Ray. That was a study on a sample of whopping 2000 people. That's quite a sample.

So consumers DID decide, it's that back room deals made what we are looking at now.

I am upset Ferrari cannot make a model under $50K, or Apple won't make the iPhone $100, I can't get a decent steak for under $30 when out to dinner.

I know the answer...Socialism!!

I think what he's trying to say is that it's not so much a case of not being able to afford to get a bluray player but rather a case of not WANTING to spend $300-400 on a bluray player.

Ok, so be it. Wait for prices to go down, continue to bitch about it amongst yourselves, and I'll enjoy my HD movies. :) Or go to best buy, get a bluray player for $400 with 10 movies free, put it on a no-interest for 24 months and pay it off $18 at a time. :) I think there might still be enough to make the mortgage payment this month.

I don't mind that your ferrari is stuck in a niche market.

I also don't want to be forced to eat $30 steacks every day.
But I fear the cheaper options dissappeared from the menu altogether.

I am upset Ferrari cannot make a model under $50K, or Apple won't make the iPhone $100, I can't get a decent steak for under $30 when out to dinner.

I know the answer...Socialism!!

Sir, with hesitation, I have to say that I can't stand two-faced people like you.. You should be ashamed with lame responses like that. :(

I hope that nobody gets into a situation where they have to depend on you in their life for their sake as from your responses so far, it's pretty clear what type of person you are.

Getting others to have what you have is bad if they have less money and if they do, it's called socialism. Got it. Do you mind me asking, did you finish college?

A Blu-Ray player is a small part of the total-cost-of-ownership of HD:

$1000~$2000 -> HDTV
$500~$1500 -> Surround sound receiver and speakers
$500~$750 -> One year subscription to HD cable or satellite
$350~$750 -> 15~25 HD movie disks
$350~$500 -> Blu-Ray player
$100~$250 -> TV Stand

Sir, with hesitation, I have to say that I can't stand two-faced people like you.. You should be ashamed with lame responses like that. :(

I hope that nobody gets into a situation where they have to depend on you in their life for their sake as from your responses so far, it's pretty clear what type of person you are.

Getting others to have what you have is bad if they have less money and if they do, it's called socialism. Got it. Do you mind me asking, did you finish college?

Looks like someone is looking to be banned for bashing the bland. PA are not allowed. Attack the post not the person. Now where do I get a $50,000 Ferrari bland? :D

HE BOUGHT AN UP CONVERTING DVD PLAYER..!!!!!! FOR $99.00



thats it...read the first post.

did he buy transformers in hd yes. by the way it looks awesome..!!!!!!!!

does he own a hd tv.......yes.

is it 1080p. no. relax.

hd-dvd took a huge blow, and blu ray is to expensive, and relies on a video game to save it.

and for anyone out there who bashes someone for buying a $98 hd player that is "dead" as some would say. how many people bought 1st or even second gen blu stand alone players..talk about foolish.

hows that samsung 1000 working for ya, great picture, or that new awesome 1400, great paperweight.

those in glass houses.....ahh forget it.


Stop already...you're embarrassing your friend.

A Blu-Ray player is a small part of the total-cost-of-ownership of HD:

$1000~$2000 -> HDTV
$500~$1500 -> Surround sound receiver and speakers
$500~$750 -> One year subscription to HD cable or satellite
$350~$750 -> 15~25 HD movie disks
$350~$500 -> Blu-Ray player
$100~$250 -> TV Stand


That's when you list everything. They don't need everything to see benefit of HD.

Some people have surround system from their DVD player setup form before (the key issue where you need advanced audio codec decoding in HD DVD players)

Some people have HDTV aready

You can Netflix until prices go down. Those who can afford disks will buy them, those who can't will rent.

You don't need a subscription to HD, you get a lot of stuff with your regular cable service these days. You just pay $5 more for the new decoder.

You don't need a TV stand..usually you get wall mounts with new TVs.

Bottom line, it comes down to the price of players and it is significant.

Looks like someone is looking to be banned for bashing the bland. PA are not allowed. Attack the post not the person. Now where do I get a $50,000 Ferrari bland? :D

If I do I do.. I feel that I had to say what I had to say it. I'm in general disgusted with this type of mentality. They can do whatever they want, but I will not edit my post. I've read his other posts and his attacks on other people are the same only more sneaky and simply very very insulting and provoking, yet he's a member and allowed to do that. I guess you are allowed things other people aren't when you are like that I suppose.

I won't go on talking about it anymore as I've said my mind.

My simple point is that owning HD Media is a luxury, not a right.

Sorry guys, it's been really interesting but I gotta go, Dr. Phil says Britney has been released from the hospital. The trailer park custody fight resumes!

Your friend never should have bought a player this early in the game in the first place. Every newspaper, magazine, and web site has been suggesting that consumers hold off until the war was settled.

I think this again is why I have a lot of respect for the red-leaning or blu-leaning news/blog sites that recommend not to buy either players last year.

It's also why I felt that sites who asked people to buy either players in 2007 knowing this kind of outcome is possible. Those people are wrong and for some of them, this is why we have this mess today.

The bland is right. We're talking about watching movies in highdef, which is waste of money for some people whichever way we choose to phrase it.

To BozterHD

Seriously, stop with the $98 argument. It was a one time sale to lure the comsumers into HD-DVD, spike sales in their favor to rival Blu ray in hopes to gain more exclusive backings, and to get rid of outdated hardware to make room for the A3's. Why don't we see any A3's going for $98? They are $179 at Amazon for an A3. Someone just linked you a BD for $250. Are you seriously getting this angry over $71 on a ONE TIME buy? You have stated in another post that you were a part of the early stages of DVD and spent $600+ on a player. :confused:

Why is anyone for that matter even buying into this market if they can't afford it? As someone else has stated, its a luxury. And as i pointed out, its only a $71 difference between the two. So is your soap box preaching really worth that $71?

And don't even mention software prices. HD-DVD and BD prices are pretty much the same for software. Most of the time the HD-DVD is more. Period.

And let me just add that i own BOTH HD-DVD and BD!

If you are defending the consumers who bought into HD with the $98 player, then BLAME TOSHIBA! They are the ones who jumped the gun and sold their players for cheap targeting the lower income population in order to win. Knowing full well that a format war was still being fought and there was a 50/50 chance of losing. Why are they even TRYING to target these people who probably dont even have an HDTV? I know, see first paragraph.

That's when you list everything. They don't need everything to see benefit of HD.

Some people have surround system from their DVD player setup form before (the key issue where you need advanced audio codec decoding in HD DVD players)

Some people have HDTV aready

You can Netflix until prices go down. Those who can afford disks will buy them, those who can't will rent.

You don't need a subscription to HD, you get a lot of stuff with your regular cable service these days. You just pay $5 more for the new decoder.

You don't need a TV stand..usually you get wall mounts with new TVs.

Bottom line, it comes down to the price of players and it is significant.

Like i said in my previous post. Is $71 really that "significant" at this stage of the game?

Amen to that!

If $100 is your max budget then it's probably not time to jump into high def.

HD displays are expensive and while software prices are down, they are still higher than dvd.

If you're on that tight of a budget and bought the $98 A2, I bet you were pretty upset when you discovered that 3 discs were the price of the player, with sales being rare.

It reminds me of the thing the cell companies do with the free or cheap phone offers, then you later realize your bill is over 100 bucks a month and you committed to paying it for 2 years. Then if you want to upgrade your phone you pay full price on the secondary lines and figure out those free phones are really $300, they just ate the costs to get you committed to thousands in montly charges.

Unless you ONLY rent, you'll find software will eat up your budget faster than anything. No matter if you bought a $200 A3 or a $300 S300...lets say your movie collection ends up being 50 at the end of the year. Even if you shopped wise and averaged $20 a title what does that come out to? A cool grand.

Maybe closer to $1500 if they are hd dvds.

My point flew right over your head...

If someone's budget is so tight, why invest in HD Media at a time when the outcome is uncertain, titles are expensive, and your choice in formats has a 50/50 chance of being wrong.

In case you haven't noticed, the country is in a debt crisis, HD DVD/ BD is a luxury.


This is exactly why bd is going to be dead in a year.

Could have had mass adoption with hd dvd, not the twice as expensive bd format.

If people are worried about getting rid of their $99 player and 5 movies then this hdm market is in worse shape than I thought. I mean that is tiny investment imo.

Personally I think that the timing of the anouncement will actually backfire on Warner. I bet alot of pissed of holiday shoppers are going to be upset with HOLLYWOOD in general.

I would tell anyone to hold off on buying a bd player until at least next Christmas at ealiest. We need to find out what the true price of media will be if there is zero competition.

Opec just said that oil prices wont be stable until at least March. That is not good.

Then you certenly can't afford a HD display and to buy HD DVD's/BD's (the real costs), so you don't need to be in this hobby.;)

What a jerk statement. :mad:
I know many people that forked over the money for a new tv but in no way can bring themselves to spending $400+ more on a player.