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Wow that set looks clean. Id grab her. Is this just a past picture or is it for sale?

looks alot like mine. well until I change the lenses out tomorrow. ;-)

looks alot like mine. well until I change the lenses out tomorrow. ;-)

DId you get the photos I e-mailed you from Stacy Spears when he swapped lens on his then Dwin HD-700??? Are they helpful? (I cheated - John Gannon setup my Dwin back in Nov. 2000 and changed the lens then.)

I was going to get it for that price!

http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?projcrta&1159197172

Look at that! Only $1,100! SOLD!!!!!! Anyone know where I can get another one like that for ~$1,100? :D

DAMN!!!!! :( :( :(

Did you already sell your HD700? If you still have it, does your model have the black case?

Mine has the black case, color filtered lens, and the very best true high bandwith 75 ohm cabling inside. But the red gun ain't working. Only about 1500 hours on the tubes. Shipping to Dwin and back for repair would cost at minimum $500. And as I stated I am concerned about refurbished parts for repair which get the projector workin' but then will break down again on something else - that's what happened to me in past months. And Dwin doesn't give out any diagrams on the projector so have fun guessin' what to put in where. Mine is boxed up sitting at my office, as I sold it to Curt, unworking, for $300 plus he agreed to pay a substantial premium should he verify that the tubes are in good shape. The guy who sold that Dwin for $1100 is Benareeno, who is well known on AVS for offering to buy projectors cheap. He offered me $300 for mine, but was unwilling to add $$ if he found the tubes were in good shape - not that I would trust him, anyway. Curt may not like big power cords but I think he has a decent reputation on the forum for being fair. You can bet that Benareeno just bought that Dwin and turned it quick for a profit. Right, Bennie??? I saw the he has another thread on the forum looking to buy a Dwin HD-700, that he wants to use it again? Why if he just sold it???

You take a chance, buy a broken one cheap, send to Dwin for repair, and hope it still works a year later!!!

Also have a Stewart 4 way electrimask 16:9 80" wide 1.3 gain for sale. Boy, you're in San Diego. Short drive over to pick stuff up. HA!

The Dwin is a great projector. If I felt I could just ship it to Dwin, get it fixed, and have it run trouble free for a few more years I would have done that. But after getting it back, having it up a few months, and something else went wrong, I felt it was time for a change. And that's the issue with CRT projectors.

But if Alan is getting a G90 he'll be selling the Dwin. That's a good bet.

Mark Haflich is not lazy. He's on the phone half the day. He's watching sports the other half of the day. He's got no time to tweak a Marquee!!!

No, he's not lazy for real. He has a really bad problem with messing up the projector after it has been tweaked. That and always changing out scalers/processors and thinking the previous setup will work with the new scaler.


(Am I on a roll?) Now Parker, takes six months to get him to come over to help Mark because he works 18 hours a day trying to develop better mods for the Marquees that can't even sell used for a decent price anymore! MP mods sell for more than the projectors itself. And they made fun of my little Dwin!

No Steve, you have somethings wrong here. I can tell mark has had your ear. A lot you do know of that I don't post here (unlike what Mark does). Mark is notorious for faulting someone for things not going right in his life. And I have been the perfect pawn for him. If he wanted his projector to work, he should have simple left it along. And that's what I've been telling him for years, and it's the same thing that his friend Bruce has been telling him. Regardless to whoever fix or adjust his projector, he will Immediately screw it up that same evening. He did that each and every time he had Ken Whitcomb to calibrate it also. So the problem is not me coming to fix or tweak his projector, the problem was Mark. And you know the other reasons why I did not keep making those trips...

Not sure why Mark has not been able to sell his Marquee that also has my mods in it. The past four Marquees that were listed for sale that also had my mods in them did not have a problem being sold. I've even had one that sold this past summer for almost twice what he's trying to sell his for. I've have an idea, but It's not something I want to post here.

I'm not trying to survive off the mods, nor will I be bringing the price down anytime soon. So If I sold one set this whole year, that would also be fine with me, and starting this year, Me and my shop will become an official service operation with a contract involved, so I'm not concerned about the mod sells. And until we can get some help with them, we're not going to do anything with them. We've had an ad on Craig's list for the longest. And Tim has a list of people waiting, so I'm good..:)

Mike, I was pulling your leg!!!!! Like you've pulled mine many times about my then little Dwin. HAAAA!!! I'm glad you've got some good commercial contracts because Marquee mods ain't no livelihood altho they can provide some nice supplemental income.

Steve,

check your pm...I offered to pay more if I could easily get the red tube to work...I'm sure the tubes are fine. But even a mint tubed Dwin with color filtered lenses sells for a grand, I should know. I sold one:) And a non-funtional DWIN isn't worth too much in my basement.

Ben

wow, all this demand for Dwins. hehe

Yes, I'm really excited about the new thing that's getting ready to happen..:)

I'll still be hanging around here, but it'll be less stressful from now on..;)

So with this new thing, it may make it even easier for me to come out that way. I can't wait to check out your new speakers in your system, and even check out your new digital. I know you'll like it, because If you could deal with a Dwin for 6 years, you could probably get by with a B/W TV..:p

The past year has been rough for me with wrestling with weird form of allergies. For the past two months the new meds have been great, which was something I should have been on the past two years since the mold situation. Anyway, I'm doing much better, and gearing up for new challenges. And some mods for other CRT projectors. I feel that for all the forum and folk on the forum have done for me over the years, the least I could continue to do is help round here where I can. And to do more without a cost.

Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to coming out there and checking out the sound system. If you happen to also turn on that digital, that would be cool as well.

We missed the Tai restaurant the last time. I'm looking forward to making that happen..

I know, I'm like a woman.

What, seven inches not enough? :D

the Dwin is quieter than any digital I have tried. the most recent a sony LCD model was very quiet but you could still hear the fan noise now and again. In fact the main noise you hear from the Dwin is the HV crackle, which in mine seems to come an go though out a movie. ( reminds me of a fire in a fire place crackle, not as loud as that though.)

but looks like with all this new interest in the Dwin, prices will go up for a while. Glad I got mine when I did!! ;-)

the HV crackle is definitely annoying as all hell...if I were to get another Dwin, I'd have to solve the crackle issue.

I had a Sony LCD which was extremely quiet...it threw a good pic too, until a dark scene came on, then it was definitely a digital.

$1100 for an ES focus 7"er?????

Tell him he's dreaming.

You can get an XG or a G70 for that. In fact you can get two or three.

This is the Age of HD. ES just doesn't cut it. I think I'd rather have a 27" TV...

the HV crackle is definitely annoying as all hell...if I were to get another Dwin, I'd have to solve the crackle issue.

I had a Sony LCD which was extremely quiet...it threw a good pic too, until a dark scene came on, then it was definitely a digital.


My room is dead quiet and the only crackle is from you.;)

the Dwin is quieter than any digital I have tried. the most recent a sony LCD model was very quiet but you could still hear the fan noise now and again. In fact the main noise you hear from the Dwin is the HV crackle, which in mine seems to come an go though out a movie. ( reminds me of a fire in a fire place crackle, not as loud as that though.)

but looks like with all this new interest in the Dwin, prices will go up for a while. Glad I got mine when I did!! ;-)

Prices aren't going up because one person's interested. And who knows if Benareeno even had a Dwin for sale or posted that to make noise. At the same time he was selling it he was trolling the CRT forum looking to buy a Dwin projector. And just cause it was advertised for $1100 doesn't mean it sold for $1,100. And you don't know that Benareeno has anywhere near the technical skills to properly repair a CRT to ensure its working great prior to sale like Curt Palme, Tim Martin or Mike Parker. And yes he offered me $300 flat and that was it for my only partially (two tubes lighting up) working Dwin.

Yes, I'm really excited about the new thing that's getting ready to happen..:)

I'll still be hanging around here, but it'll be less stressful from now on..;)

So with this new thing, it may make it even easier for me to come out that way. I can't wait to check out your new speakers in your system, and even check out your new digital. I know you'll like it, because If you could deal with a Dwin for 6 years, you could probably get by with a B/W TV..:p

The past year has been rough for me with wrestling with weird form of allergies. For the past two months the new meds have been great, which was something I should have been on the past two years since the mold situation. Anyway, I'm doing much better, and gearing up for new challenges. And some mods for other CRT projectors. I feel that for all the forum and folk on the forum have done for me over the years, the least I could continue to do is help round here where I can. And to do more without a cost.

Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to coming out there and checking out the sound system. If you happen to also turn on that digital, that would be cool as well.

We missed the Tai restaurant the last time. I'm looking forward to making that happen..

Mike glad you're doin' better. I just restarted allergy shot. Been itching like crazy with too many hives not going away. Starting to get better myself.

Of course I look forward to you're coming to Az!!!!

To the dude who slammed me for giving Mike and Mark crap - see how Mike still gives me SH___T about my little now non-working Dwin!!!

Mike glad you're doin' better. I just restarted allergy shot. Been itching like crazy with too many hives not going away. Starting to get better myself.

Of course I look forward to you're coming to Az!!!!

To the dude who slammed me for giving Mike and Mark crap - see how Mike still gives me SH___T about my little now non-working Dwin!!!

Thanks Steve. You know as much as I like to ruffle your feathers, I really do hold you in very high regard as an individual. However, being who you are and what you are to me, just does not make much sense for you to own a Dwin..:)

And to have owned It for the past 6 years is really confusing to me. Yes, a Dwin is a fine little tiny CRT projector, but It's also like a Tri-cycle in relationship to high performance video.

The mold, legal and so many other obstacles that I've had to deal with over the years, you and Tim were always there for me, and at no point was our friendship ever in question... So coming out to the desert once more is also very important to me. I've never went anywhere on this planet where I was so well received and respected as being someone. And each time I've been out there, you guys know just how to make a person feel like a king.

I'm excited about some changes in my life, though I'm still somewhat struggling with the allergies. Hopefully one day they'll get it figured out for me, but for now I'm glad that the worst part of it is over with the meds I'm now on.

Anyway, coming back out to the desert to be with some truly good friends of mine would be a blessing for me, because you guys have been a real plus in my life during a very difficult time, and now that I'm seeing some sunshine at the end of the storm I've been in. It's only right that I come out and celebrate this with your guys.

Plus, it's good to see that you're finally growing up and not still playing with that little toy hanging from your ceiling, with the HUGE power cord attached to it..:D

DWIN: 65lbs.

Power cord: 120lbs.

However, being who you are and what you are to me, just does not make much sense for you to own a Dwin..:)

Yes, a Dwin is a fine little tiny CRT projector, but It's also like a Tri-cycle in relationship to high performance video.

DWIN: 65lbs.

Power cord: 120lbs.

Remember the 'real men...' quotes from back in the what, 80s?

re the tricycle quote above:

'Real men are secure enough to do the pedalling from point A to point B".

But to counter with the power cord:

'Real men are secure enough to let a stock power cord take the electrons from power outlet to a device without the assistance of a piece of Granite'

:D

'Real men are secure enough to let a stock power cord take the electrons from power outlet to a device without the assistance of a piece of Granite'

:D

"Real men are secure enough to take SH___T from Palme, Parker and Haflich
for their little itty bitty Dwin CRT projector and for their itchie biggie heavy power cord that makes the projector sing like a nightingale in terms of black level and being noise free." HA!

Steve,

thanks for trying to make me look like a scammer...much appreciated.

For any of you interested, here is a direct cut and paste of my talks with Steve - you can decide if I'm trying to steal his almighty Dwin! THe last Dwin sold on ebay for $127...I like the projector because it's small and quiet, the pic is average at best. I never "trolled" around in here for a new Dwin while I was selling my last one...so I have no idea where that notion came from...and I really don't appreciate the implications. If any of you don't like an offer you receive, just decline it. I never offered anyone something with a gun pointed to their head!

Here's the text - notice how I offered more money if I could get the red tube fixed:

Quote:
Originally Posted by benareeno
Steve,

do you want to sell that broken Dwin?

Ben


Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky
For a fair price.
Tubes were new June 2006 and only have about 1500 hours on them. Projector works but red won't light up - sounds like something electrical/mechanical. Works fine except no red tube. Whats your offer?

Steve Bruzonsky


Quote:
Originally Posted by benareeno
I'm sure you'll be insulted...but I'm thinking $300 for the broken Dwin...If I can fix it easily, I'd give you more...but otherwise it's a big gamble.

Ben


Nah, I' ve been insulted much worse. HA!

My only question is that I've got color filtered lens, and tubes with only 1500 hours. New color filtered lens cost a lot, and new tubes - you gotta ship to Dwin and they charge $1750. So if someone is keeping the Dwin for a long time, and wants better color thanks to color filtered lens, then my Dwin can really be worthwhile to pick upl

I don't have a shipping box, but I could borrow Vic's box provided it is return shipped.

But in view of lens and tubes I think $625 would be a more fair price.

Steve Bruzonsky



Nothing I said in this chain is absurd...if I couldn't fix the red tube, then I'd have a boat anchor in my basement. It is a big gamble as parts and knowledge for the Dwin just aren't available.

Anyhow, I guess I'll go back to trying to scam people like Steve B out of their precious non-functional ES focus projectors...I'm such a scammer after all.

Ben

reio-ta, if your wife is hypersensitive about noise in the HT, then CRT-wise you have only two choices: an HD700 (or maybe an HD500 but those are even harder to find and probably don't throw as good a pic) or another projector **with a good hushbox**.

The Dwins are the **ONLY** quiet CRT projectors. The HD700's are sweet little boxes for situations like yours. Mine had color-filtered lenses and looked spectacular on SD material. I suspect they would look good but not AS good without the filtered lenses. But realize the ES-focus tubes cannot focus as sharp as EM-focus tubes. If you plan to watch HD material (HD-DVD, BluRay, etc), then I don't think you'd be happy with the Dwin.

Anyhow, I guess I'll go back to trying to scam people like Steve B out of their precious non-functional ES focus projectors...I'm such a scammer after all.

Ben

Actually, I never used the term "scammer", though others on the CRT forum have! No wonder you are so sensitive.

Curt agreed to give me a substantial premium extra if the tubes are good. The e-mail exchange you posted above shows that you stuck to your bottom feeder $300 no matter what.

Why did you start a thread at the CRT Forum on about 12-22-07 looking for a Dwin to buy when at the same time you were allegedly listing one on Videogon for $1100 and then marked it sold???

I sold my Dwin to Gary about a year ago...so get your facts straight!

I've never scammed anyone...I forgot to send Mark some superfluous NEC bits, but I never scammed him. I'm scatterbrained not dishonest.

So, you think I was selling that Dwin last month?? Well, you're wrong. It's long, long gone...just ask Gary F. If there is a videogon ad for it, then it's a year old.

You say that I never offered you more for the DWIN - You're wrong again! Read the text we exchanged it's 2 posts up, and my offer was right there.

You most likely owe me an apology for trying your darndest to make me look bad and having no reason to. So thanks a lot for that...

Ben

The other guy who started a thread about me being dishonest is the biggest scammer of all...DavidLeeRoth was his name, I believe?

At any rate, I have nothing to hide in any dealings I've ever been involved with, so before you go trying to make someone look bad, at least decide for yourself.

Ben

So, you think I was selling that Dwin last month?? Well, you're wrong. It's long, long gone...just ask Gary F. If there is a videogon ad for it, then it's a year old.
Correct. The $1100 Dwin that Ben listed on the 'gon is the one I bought over a year ago.

I was going to get it for that price!

http://cgi.videogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?projcrta&1159197172

Look at that! Only $1,100! SOLD!!!!!! Anyone know where I can get another one like that for ~$1,100? :D

DAMN!!!!! :( :( :(

Did you already sell your HD700? If you still have it, does your model have the black case?

You mean that one, Benareeno???

Yah...that one...marked SOLD and having been in there for 500 + days...so thanks for trying to make me look like some sort of scam artist.

You are welcome.

What a clown...accuses me of multiple issues for which he is wrong...proven wrong. And then no apology. Solid.

What a clown...accuses me of multiple issues for which he is wrong...proven wrong. And then no apology. Solid.

Are you the idiot who posted our e-mail exchange, suggesting that you offered me more than $300 for the projector, when anyone reading it can see in plain English that you offered $300 and thats it no matter the condition of the tubes??? What a clown.

Back to the main subject of this thread.

I sold my Dwin to Gary about a year ago...so get your facts straight!

I've never scammed anyone...I forgot to send Mark some superfluous NEC bits, but I never scammed him. I'm scatterbrained not dishonest.

So, you think I was selling that Dwin last month?? Well, you're wrong. It's long, long gone...just ask Gary F. If there is a videogon ad for it, then it's a year old.

You say that I never offered you more for the DWIN - You're wrong again! Read the text we exchanged it's 2 posts up, and my offer was right there.

You most likely owe me an apology for trying your darndest to make me look bad and having no reason to. So thanks a lot for that...

Ben

Now to give you credit. You sold Gary a good working projector. And Gary sold it to Vic and its been working since. In that respect you are not a clown.
But admittedly you do not have the reputation on AVS that Curt Palme or Tim Martin have in selling used projectors. Either do I.

Ok...one last time, did you read the entire paste of our pm's??? I clearly state that I'll pay you more if I get the red tube to work!!! Clearly in plain english text just a few posts up!!

And I never claimed to have their reputation..if I did, the Dwin would have sold for at least double the price!

Ben

come on guys, kiss and make up:)

He's totally wrong and now has gone silent..what a man.

SILENCE IS GOLDEN! Especially when I was working to make some money to pay for that new projector.

ALAN, Kiss and make up? You are getting soft. I don't even like little Bennieboy.

Steve,

thanks for trying to make me look like a scammer...much appreciated.

For any of you interested, here is a direct cut and paste of my talks with Steve - you can decide if I'm trying to steal his almighty Dwin! THe last Dwin sold on ebay for $127...I like the projector because it's small and quiet, the pic is average at best. I never "trolled" around in here for a new Dwin while I was selling my last one...so I have no idea where that notion came from...and I really don't appreciate the implications. If any of you don't like an offer you receive, just decline it. I never offered anyone something with a gun pointed to their head!

Here's the text - notice how I offered more money if I could get the red tube fixed:

Quote:
Originally Posted by benareeno
Steve,

do you want to sell that broken Dwin?

Ben


Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky
For a fair price.
Tubes were new June 2006 and only have about 1500 hours on them. Projector works but red won't light up - sounds like something electrical/mechanical. Works fine except no red tube. Whats your offer?

Steve Bruzonsky


Quote:
Originally Posted by benareeno
I'm sure you'll be insulted...but I'm thinking $300 for the broken Dwin...If I can fix it easily, I'd give you more...but otherwise it's a big gamble.

Ben


Nah, I' ve been insulted much worse. HA!

My only question is that I've got color filtered lens, and tubes with only 1500 hours. New color filtered lens cost a lot, and new tubes - you gotta ship to Dwin and they charge $1750. So if someone is keeping the Dwin for a long time, and wants better color thanks to color filtered lens, then my Dwin can really be worthwhile to pick upl

I don't have a shipping box, but I could borrow Vic's box provided it is return shipped.

But in view of lens and tubes I think $625 would be a more fair price.

Steve Bruzonsky



Nothing I said in this chain is absurd...if I couldn't fix the red tube, then I'd have a boat anchor in my basement. It is a big gamble as parts and knowledge for the Dwin just aren't available.

Anyhow, I guess I'll go back to trying to scam people like Steve B out of their precious non-functional ES focus projectors...I'm such a scammer after all.

Ben

I guess you will. Pray tell where in the above you told me that if the tubes were good you'd pay me more than the $300 that you offered. Bottom scammer!!!@@@ Convicted by your own post. INDEED!!! I am still laughing.

I never doubted the tube condition...my concern is the non-functional red tube. I stated that if I could fix it, I'd be willing to give you more money.

You're a total dink anyhow...thanks for your 12000 posts about your trusty Dwin. Your name dropping of all your great friends on here....you're a total loser, you have no clue what you're talking about and your only alleged friends on here probably know you're an idiot altogether.

WHat kind of a moron pays 1500 for new tubes for a Dwin??

You're an idiot, a perfect candidate for the digital world. Have fun...and good riddance. Hopefully you won't need to call in an expert to focus your digital...clown.

I never doubted the tube condition...my concern is the non-functional red tube. I stated that if I could fix it, I'd be willing to give you more money.

You're a total dink anyhow...thanks for your 12000 posts about your trusty Dwin. Your name dropping of all your great friends on here....you're a total loser, you have no clue what you're talking about and your only alleged friends on here probably know you're an idiot altogether.

WHat kind of a moron pays 1500 for new tubes for a Dwin??

You're an idiot, a perfect candidate for the digital world. Have fun...and good riddance. Hopefully you won't need to call in an expert to focus your digital...clown.


Quit smokin' the weed!

quit falsely accusing people of things...and then not apologizing when it is more than obvious that you should.

There are a couple of Dwins on Ebay right now.. just a heads up..

Can someone provide me pictures of what the Scheimpflug lever looks like on the HD-700? I downloaded the manual off Curt's site. Everything is in the manual to setup the projector and it looks pretty straight forward. However, the manual apparently forgot to post a Scheimpflug lens tilt table for various throw distances and screen sizes!:confused:

The manual is straight forward for a reason - It's a Dwin!

Likewise the same applies as to why there's nothing in there for scheimpflug, because there is NO user adjustment for it. It was designed and sold to be placed in perfect position to the screen, and that supposed to have eliminated the use for any scheimplug adjustment.....I know what you're thinking. I was thinking the same thing when I used to set them up..:rolleyes:

However, It can be done, but it's not easy. And for an ES projector, it's not that important.

So Mike, When are we going to start to see some MP mods for the Dwins ? ;-)

The lens mounts are the cheesiest part of a Dwin. Most projectors use screws to hold the lenses onto a back plate, and there's some way to tilt the back plate for Scheimpflug adjustments. On the Dwin 4 long bolts extend out from the chassis, with a nut in the middle of each one. The screw holes in the lens slide onto the bolts, and the lenses rest on the rear nuts. Then you add nuts onto the bolts to hold the lens.

There is no "lever" to adjust Scheimpflug. You have to twiddle the rear nuts -- the ones behind the lenses -- to adjust the angle of the lenses. Given what a massive PITA it is to get your fingers in there, it is NOT a simple process. Of course, as Mike pointed out, ES projectors aren't all that sharp so perfect Scheimpflug adjustment isn't as critical anyway. If you use a standard-sized screen, the Scheimpflug settings will probably be "good enough."

Because it's only a 7" tube, I was thinking about projecting an 80" wide 16:9 image. That's not too big in a 100% light controlled environment with the HD700?

Exactly right. Don't forget my Stewart Studiotek 1.3 gain 4 way Electrimask screen is for sale. Fantastic with the Dwin.:D

I don't get it.

One minute you are after the best image you can get for your budget - which would be an 8" EM focus Liquid Coupled projector.

And now you are considering a Dwin? A 7" ES focus Air Coupled projector - not in the same league at all.

Digitals are pretty good now, and they are small and quiet. Have you seriously investigated them? I'd take one over an 7"er.

My intention on mentioning the Dwins on Ebay was the high prices on them(I should have stated that).. a comparable Sony unit can be had in peerfect condition for around 300 or less.

I agree with the first part of what Mark says.. 8" Em/Lc is the way to go.. Digitals.. I hope not;)

I definitely agree on the NO digital part:)

But, an 8" EM/LC plus a hushbox(fancy coffee table) is still in your pricerange, can do 720p instead of 1080i and look beautiful, and will blow away the Dwin on your desired screensize. There also seem to be enough of us close to you that you may be able to recruit some help if you happen to need it:)

A plus with the fancy coffee table hushbox is your wife won't have to see or hear the "ugly loud beast", just a nice table and a huge screen in front of it:D

If you do full fade to black, you will lose the low end completely.

LC with a gamma tweak really helps here.

Sonynut,

I am sure the high price is from all the recent demand! ... kidding of course. It has been funny to watch the price drop from 3 grand to half that. who knows how much the reserve on it is.

besides I get to test out the new lenses tonight !!! :-)

gamma tweak helps AC units too, the LC just helps with halos right? (and the contrast boost associated with that.)

Mark don't forget that not all of us have the room for a huge beast. or can talk the landlord into letting use install one of those huge beasts. ;-)

Yes, a gamma tweak will help AC too.

But LC is not just about visible halos. The same effect ruins clarity on most scenes -everything spills over everything else, the increase in clarity was a real surprise to me.

LC units look so nice on semi-lit scenes too - which is what most think it's all about, and omit the clarity.

Another thing that really helps with semi-lit scenes is HD compared to DVD. The extra data available really helps bring out low end detail.

If the domestic situation dictates a Dwin, then a Dwin it shall be.

But you will have an XG LC or G70 in 6 months I bet.

I have a dlp that gets used mostly for sports with ambient and family movies.
For film you are going to have hard time imo.
Gamma bump will introduce a bit of haze and diminishes the ansi. Most film materials I watch w/o gamma works with exceptions of some titles. For those I just bump the brightness. Not a perfect solution but it works for me.

Not till I can afford to buy my own place, and with the prices around here, it would take a miracle. ( AKA winning the lottery.) *laughs*

so, how much re-engineering would it take to make a Dwin LC ? :-)

Ask GAry what my / his old dwin NOW looks like without HUGE power cables powering it....

I think he was supprised to see what I make mine do at a measly 720p

Ask GAry what my / his old dwin NOW looks like without HUGE power cables powering it....

I think he was supprised to see what I make mine do at a measly 720p

My that was a POWERful statment!!! HUGE doesn't adequately describe the power cables - GIGANTIC, HEAVY, Weighing more than the projector - that I'll accept!!!!@@@@:D

Just to clarify, it never had HUGE power cables when I owned it!! Steve's the guy with the pythons coming out of the projector...

Yup, it looked good. Almost as good as when I had it set up. :) :) :)

The Dwin will throw a nice pic, but it will lack in HD detail. THat being said, it will look very much like your local theater does, but with better blacks....it's not a world beater, but it's good. And I drive a civic, so I know that you don't always have to get THE best, you have to get the best projector for you....and I'll bet for you, it's the Dwin.

Ben

"2ndAnode" gets the credit for posting this:





While the projector is operating,
with a one second delay between
each keypress,
Press MENU, 9, 0, ENTER, 9, 8.

After reading the information
press EXIT.

$1500 for a 7" AC ES machine? These days you could buy a G70 for that much. I'm not putting down the Dwin because I've never seen one, but for $1.5k I think you can do much better.

-Mark

I wouldn't pay more than $500 for an ES set at this point, and that is for a set with perfect tubes, remote, etc. However the DWIN is much more sought after than most machines due to the small form factor and fanless design.

I agree with Mark that 1.5k will buy you a much better picture, but you have to decide what is most important to you. Do you want no noise and light weight or do you want a better picture.

Personally I wouldn't considor it for less than 1k shipped.

Does it have the color filtered lenses?

Erik

$1300??? :eek

You made my coffee come out my nose!!!

It's is true that we are a bunch of bottom feeders here. But I hate to see someone get ripped...

I luved my Dwin but you way overoffered given the market on these projectors the past year. Benareeno's sold for a premium over a year ago due to good tubes and color filtered lens.

By the way, to my knowledge there are three Dwin HD-700s with color filtered lens. And how do I know? Because in 2000, when I started and moderated the AVS Special Guests forum, I arranged for USPL to do an even swap of our HD-700 lens for color filtered ones for myself, Stacy Spears (then Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity website, now Widescreen Review) and John Gannon (the Technical Editor Stereophile Guide to Home Theater, now home theater installer extraordinaire).

steve, you know of 4 now. ;-)

steve, you know of 4 now. ;-)

Look at what I have to deal with. Wtf is this? I think the ||| lines are vertical shadow mask? Horrible huh? But the colors are awesome and the set is 100% black with 0 IRE!

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4800/tx27hf360rv5.jpg


I know of three in which undisputably John Gannon or Stacy Spears
did the lens change perfectly.

I know of one done by you using the pictorial instructions I had from Stacy Spears and I hope the above picture isn't representative of the result. HA@

changing lenses isn't exactly rocket science...but I'm sure Steve would have sent it to Dwin just to be sure.

Na changing the lenses was not too bad, just took a bit of time. I would say 90 min max.

well the pearl could never do 1080i only 1080p, the Dwin would likely stress out if it tries to display 1080p ( if it does not just flat out say 'signal out of range' or the like.) but it happily does 1080i natively. It is a very pleasing picture. I watched a movie tonight ( instead of working on the projector. ;-) at 1080i 72Hz ( instead of 60Hz.) and I think I have found my happy medium, There is no noticeable stairsteping than with 720p (at 72Hz.) ( to me anyway.) It will not resolve the full 1920, but it still shows plenty of detail.

as for the lenses most of the time I see them posted around 250, sometimes under that. I lucked out and that the set I got found me, and for a nice price under 200 ... Local! :-)

If you are ever in the SF bay area, ( and the projector is in a state to show off, not naked and torn apart.) let me know. :-)

Sure it is not the top of the line porsche everyone here seems to have and push, it's more like the (recent) rabbits, not as fast off the line or handle as good, but it does move when you need it (and then some), and has great handling, and most of all .... fun!! :-)

You can massively defocus blue with no apparent loss in sharpness....and the benefit to color is noticeable...very noticeable!

I'm going to buy a NEC PG on Friday (hopefully), if it's toasted, I'll be sure to get the lenses for you for a good price, if you want them.

Ben

changing lenses isn't exactly rocket science...but I'm sure Steve would have sent it to Dwin just to be sure.

Why? I had John Gannon and Michael Hamilton over here back in 2000 changing the lens and setting up my projector. Nothing but the best!!!@@

Thanks, but I first have to get in contact with the seller. He's not being very responsive with giving me pictures of the boards, tube faces and hours screen! You'd think that he'd know that he's getting the better deal with $1,300 and be bugging the hell out of me to buy ASAP :mad:

If he continues to be a dork, anyone else know where I can get a HD-700 for $1,300 or less with minty tubes? The only other one I know of with my wants is Alan's. But I think he's too much in love with his and wants to keep it instead of getting the noisy Porsche G90 and keeping the nice quiet Rabbit HD700! :D

Take your time until Alan sells his, or fork out the extra cash and buy mine repaired from Curt.

wow...THE John Gannon came to your house to turn 12 screws??? I knew it was too technical a job for old Steve to do. I think I'll get Joe Kane to come over and set my greyscale with his spectrophotometer...then I can tell all of you how me and Joe are such good friends. It's amazing the friends you can make when you shell out money to have them come over...it's almost like being a total loser and buying friends. Woops...did I just say that?

Reio-ta,

I have a line on a DWIN for you...and it would be a much better price.

I am just trying to get an idea of tube condition...if they're good, I think the $700 range would be where this one should sell.

I will let you know how it goes!

Ben

wow...THE John Gannon came to your house to turn 12 screws??? I knew it was too technical a job for old Steve to do. I think I'll get Joe Kane to come over and set my greyscale with his spectrophotometer...then I can tell all of you how me and Joe are such good friends. It's amazing the friends you can make when you shell out money to have them come over...it's almost like being a total loser and buying friends. Woops...did I just say that?


You are right. I like to get stuff done by the best. Back in 2000 if you asked Dwin Gannon knew how to set up their projectors better than anyone on the planet.

You are a real idiot. You think paying a professional for top notch service is being a loser.

Extrapolating this, anyone buying a projector from you is a loser!!!! And I am not kidding.

That is up for debate...but I think everyone here knows that you are an absolute dink.

I think I'll pay Mario Andretti to drive me home and then he'll be my friend and I'll have the best!

I think if you like to throw your money away like a helpless loser (which you are), then go ahead and hire people to replace your lenses. Hire people to help you do everything...I could care less. I'm sure those people are happy to take your money and I'm also sure that they know you're a complete dink.

If I get that Dwin for reio-ta, I will step aside and let him complete the deal with the seller himself. I don't care to make a cent...just trying to get a good avs'er a good projector deal.

Maybe I should get Donald Trump to help me negotiate the deal, eh?? Dink...

Go talk with your buddies in the ultra high-end forum....you're done with crt...thank god!

HAving a pro to set up a pj is an option open to anyone who is willing to pay for it.
If you know what your doing and have the propr instrument then DIY is the way to go.
Otherwise messing around for infinite time and spending time in frustration is no option at all imo.
Please keep these personal attecks out of here. Who wants to open a threat in the morning to read all this. Comeon guys you all know better.

I don't enjoy these attacks either, but he started trying to paint me as a scam artist in here...I really don't appreciate that, and I will defend myself to the highest level!

I don't enjoy these attacks either, but he started trying to paint me as a scam artist in here...I really don't appreciate that, and I will defend myself to the highest level!

Your words speak for yourself. I would never buy anything from you.

I'm totally ok with that...especially since I don't have anything for sale, and haven't for a long, long time. You are trying to imply that I'm a reseller or something?

I would advise that you shut your mouth before you open it and an accusitory way. I am not a reseller or scammer, and your implications are wrong. ANd in fact, proven to be wrong..so shut up already!

I'm totally ok with that...especially since I don't have anything for sale, and haven't for a long, long time. You are trying to imply that I'm a reseller or something?

I would advise that you shut your mouth before you open it and an accusitory way. I am not a reseller or scammer, and your implications are wrong. ANd in fact, proven to be wrong..so shut up already!



Your words speak for yourself. I would never buy anything from you.

sounds good. Now, back to the thread at hand...

sounds good. Now, back to the thread at hand...


OKDKEEEEEEE!!!!

Well I would day start with the RTC2200 or EXT-HD first actually. since you need something that will change to Neg Sync. You can ad the lumagen later. :-)

I have a friend who bought a $3,000 PC with HDMI out just for use as an HTPC to use DVDs and HD disc content. I told him a $2,000 Lumagen would be the best bet for him. But he seems to think that FFDShow is just as good, to him it's BETTER, than a VisionHDQ! I told him his $3,000 HTPC can't do 11 point parametric grayscale tracking, doesn't have better scaling, can't output EXACT timings, will never get 2.22 gamma EVER, and many many other features. He could then have his set professionally calibrated for way less than the $1,000 difference and his experience would be night and day from using a HDMI HTPC with standard FFDshow settings!

Three grand for a HTPC is crazy. The BOM for mine was less the $900 with Bluray and HD-DVD.

Mike

well as far as the MUX-HD goes, it does not give you an analogue out signal. so if you want to step your way, you need something that does. You can always keep your eyes open in the for sale sections as I am sure others do similar things and eventually you don't need parts as you go.

I currently go

DVD (HD & Blu) to the Lumagen to a HD Fury at the projector and the short cable they have in the green kit into the projector. I do need to play with the Lumgen to shift the picture over a little, but it should not be hard to do. ( I still have lots more I need to do on the Lumagen to get the best picture out of it.)

I definitely need to get my G2 settings done this weekend.

:-)

Tell me about it. But apparently there are some really nifty FFDshow and DScaler features that hog a lot of bandwidth, especially outputting 1080p60 decoded H.264.Then using Media Portal as a gui for his TV card.



My $75.00 Video card does H.264 decoding. FFDshow is free and in the days of HD it gets you nothing. Never really cared for it to me it looked sort of like fake sharpness & so many SD-DVDs had way too much EE for my liking.

I quit buying SD-DVD's 2-1/2 years ago because I knew HD-DVD or Bluray were on the way. Now I buy about 2 to 3 HD-disks a week to catch up. I didn’t want to store the SD-DVD’s next to the Laser Disks in the attic.

The biggest weakness in an HTPC is the audio, there will probably be good solutions for that soon that can be retrofitted. I have tin ears anyway.

Mike

If you have the Lumagen, of course it would work. But you were asking if you did it in stages what would you need to buy and when. ( and did you have to have the Lumagen up front.)

I tried HTPC a few times in the last year, and there is just no substitute for the simplicity of a standalone and remote.

:-)

If you have the Lumagen, of course it would work. But you were asking if you did it in stages what would you need to buy and when. ( and did you have to have the Lumagen up front.)

I tried HTPC a few times in the last year, and there is just no substitute for the simplicity of a standalone and remote.

:-)

I would agree with you on simplicity except so many of the standalone players are limited on resolutions, refresh and sync timings, an HTPC is very flexible in these areas. Plus I’m a geek anyway.

Mike

That is why I got the Lumagen ... Don't have to worry about Virus and OS/Driver/Software conflicts and crashes. :-)

oh! as for a suggestion on which one to go for. pretty much most people will say go for any of them above the DVI model, There is a jump on processing power between the DVI and all the others, generaly the rest are about the number and type of inputs and output options. ( If you plan on going BNC out of the Lumagen you will have to make sure that option is installed or get the VisionPro HDP ( which is the one I got).

And Don't worry there is more than enough to keep you busy for years to come learning and tweaking everything.

As for sound I use a Panasonic all Digital receiver. Very nice clean smooth sound. ( Klipsch Speakers)

So I guess I should have said it is

HD & Blu HDMI into Reciver, HDMI into Lumagen, DVI into HD Fury, VGA into projector. ;-)

It used to be the top of the line 2 or 3 years ago. I just picked mine up used for 850. (Used to go for 2500) so there are deals to be had. You can also check with Lumagen directly to see if they have any B-stock Units, they usually offer those with a % discount and of course full warranty. :-)

I don't see the VisionPro HDP, I only see the VisionHDP Video Processor for $1,200 + $100 for BNC and the VisionHDQ Video Processor for $2,000 on Lumagen's product page.

Where is the VisionPro HDP and pricing?

The HDQ has performance the same as the VisionPro HDP. Except the HDQ has a better comb filter which only helps for composite video input from laserdisc or any other source. If you don't use composite video for anything you don't use that feature. The VisionPro HDP has dual BNCs for S-Video inputs instead of the dumb dumb S-Video plug used by the HDQ and almost everything else. The VisionPro HDP has TWO SDI inputs and the HDQ has one. The HDQ is somewhat slimmer than the VisionPro HDP. The HDQ has four DVI inputs whereas the VisionPro HDP has two DVI inputs. That's basically it. They are pretty much the same with minor differences.

Here's the manuals:

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=manuals

It used to be the top of the line 2 or 3 years ago. I just picked mine up used for 850. (Used to go for 2500) so there are deals to be had. You can also check with Lumagen directly to see if they have any B-stock Units, they usually offer those with a % discount and of course full warranty. :-)

Ok that explains it. I looked at the prices on their site and it seems like you could get anywhere near the cost for an HTPC if you add in the cost of a PS3 or standalone player and then add in the cost of the HD-Fury.

Mike

A Front Display ... which can be useful if you mess up your output settings and the Display no longer can display.

If you can find one on the used market in good condition, for around the price I got it, I would say go for it!

I plan on getting a SDI DVD player here shortly. There are still plenty of things on SD DVDs that I would not mind giving to the Lumagen in the best source signal it can use. :-)

One question I do have ... Does anyone know if One gets the Menus and all that out of SDI or only the movie?

well the codes are not too bad in the menu system ...

If I remember right ... 1080i resolution was something like
Menu 0 2 8

And refresh rates were something more like

Menu 0 4 xxxx OK (xxxx = rate like 71.93 or the like)

It just adds that you can see what you are doing when you can not see the OSD or if you have that turned off.

I enjoy my Dwin HD500 on my 97" diag 4.3 screen. I pop it on many times saving wear off my HD digital projectors. Always enjoy the black level and colors. I use it for TV channels and fine DVD watching. The Dwin is a good thing to have around.
enjoy yours

Oh if anybody needs a Dwin Transcanner I have an extra one, lmk

Hi Guys
I am new to this forum as I have just purchased a JVC RS-2. I couldn't help but notice this Dwin thread as I have owned one for 8 years. It is a great projector.
Reio-ta -- check out my Audiogon ad as I am selling my Dwin 700. If you are interested email me and we can talk.

Wow Prices have gone up since I got mine a few months ago ... :-P

Nah, asking prices are often high. Look on videogon and you'll see people asking $2500 - $4000 for HD700's in the past. Somebody listed an HD700 and a Faroudja DVP2200 for $4300 last month!! I'd be surprised if they actually sold for anything near that.

I sold my HD700 with HD145 lenses for $1100 a year ago, and I was happy with that price. No offense to JOE-C, but CRT prices have been dropping in general. The HD700 is a unique projector because of its small size and quiet performance, but it also throws a much softer picture than EM-focus projectors available in the $1000-1500 range. Hell, there are 9" CRTs listed on AVS for $1500!

The Dwins probably command a premium over similar 7" projectors. But those other 7" projectors are selling for about $300-800.

No offense taken however the condition and hours etc. on the unit needs to be considered in any price. My unit price of course is negotiable but I do want a fair price for a good projector.

Understood. But I think you may not understand what constitutes a "fair price" in the current CRT market conditions. See e.g. posts #73-83 or so in this thread. My HD700 was absolutely cherry, with 1/3 as many hours as yours (just over 800), and it also included the nicer color-filtered lenses. And prices have dropped since then.

If you find someone who wants to pay $1500 for your projector, more power to ya. But you may have a long wait looking for that buyer.

Maybe to give an idea ... I picked mine up locally ( no shipping) with just over 3K hours for 500 even. ( no visible ware). That was around Sept last year.

:-)

There's a guy local to me that has a DWIN for sale. He's asking $1500 for it.
That seems to be a high price for 7" projector, so I made him the current market offer.
He passed on my offer. Said he'd rather give it away to charity than sell at that price.
I thought giving it away to charity was a cool idea. I see now that it's back on the market and still asking $1500 for it. It's been for sale for some time now.

And what's a charity going to do with it!? They wouldn't have the faintest clue what it was or what to do with it. Give it to a charity and it will probably end up in a dumpster.

FWIW, I don't know how essential the color-filtered lenses are. I've only seen Dwins with the color-filtered lenses. But standard phosphor formulations don't produce correct SMPTE-C chromaticities, so I suspect *any* non-filtered CRT would benefit from filtering.

The standard Dwin lenses are un-colored HD144's, so you don't gain any focusing improvements like you do when you upgrade a Marquee 8500 with HD8b's.

reio-ta,

I'll give you the name and # of the DWIN that I found...just pm me and I'll reply with the details.

I put an offer of $700 + shipping as a fair price, there was no argument from the owner. But tube condition is unknown at this point.

Ben

The Color filter on the Dwin is not drastic, but noticeable. Colors across the board look better, and brighter. ( even blue looks better, more accurate along with the rest)

:-)

Dwin hours,

PJ on, on the remote press menu, 9, 0, enter, 9, 8
1 second each hit.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/dwinhours.jpg

My HD500 has 1625hrs, had 1300 when I bought it local. Happy hunting and $700 with a scanner is a good price. You have to consider what you might get on resale. If I were selling mine I'd be happy to get $700.
May the hunt end swift.

Thanks. But I'm having one hell of a time finding one without getting reamed! I hope Ben pulls through.

Btw, I think your picture is funny. So, you use AV wires as a meditation device? :D

Always getting tangled, what did the little Harry Potter girl say?
Devils Snare! :)

Tom your green convergence if off:)
I know its a reflection or movement of the camera:)

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/509/dwinhours.jpg

If I remember correctly I paid $1400 for my Dwin. It has a little over 500 hours on the tubes. Looking in at the tubes the look fine but there is some user ware on them.
On a positive note the ware is outside the normal usage area so all is well. The Dwin will not allow you to converge outside its internal test pattern.

Wow Prices have gone up since I got mine a few months ago ... :-P

Only because they saw this thread!!!@@@

well Looks like you are near LA so that should give you plenty of options. you should also check with Curt to see what he might have that would work too.

The wife painted the case? So what?? WHy would that stop you? Maybe it looks good, and maybe you could paint it back to something better.

I don't know about that, people buy and don't realize you lose your shirt compared to what you originally bought your CRT for. It's like that with all electronic devices. Just because you paid $12,500 for the Dwin HD-700 six to eight years ago, doesn't mean you can get anything close to that.

Two guys on Videogon are ever nuttier and delusional. One guy wants $4,000 with tons of hours on it and the other has like 5,000 and says how it's still pristine and wants $4,500 saying it's a "good deal" because he paid $12,500 new!

I still say that guy should have accepted my offer of $1,300 total for the HD-700 with original Dwin transcanner because I sure as hell am not going to offer that high again for a HD-700 unless I know for a fact it's in pristine working order.

I'm getting really tempted to buy a nice 8" LC and build a box to make it quiet. Any suggestions for that which would run me $1,500 or less? If I really have to pay $1,500+ for a minty HD-700 I might as well do that instead, maybe. I heard Barcos are already quiet and can be made Dwin quiet with a box? I could build the box and install it that way quicker than it seems to be taking to find a decent Dwin HD-700 :mad:

The reason I wanted the HD-700 was I just wanted to plop down the CRT in the middle of the room, project and play. Without having to be hassled by the wife as if I were some parent's noisy teenager, "turn off that projector, you're bothering me and the neighbors"!

Talk with Alan Gouger the guy that just posted a few numbers back. Pretty sure he was selling that fine HD700. Maybe you can work out a deal. Another thing is these Dwins can be shipped simply on a UPS truck. They're not that heavy so no need for a freight carrier.
Talk to Alan.

A Front Display ... which can be useful if you mess up your output settings and the Display no longer can display.

If you can find one on the used market in good condition, for around the price I got it, I would say go for it!

I plan on getting a SDI DVD player here shortly. There are still plenty of things on SD DVDs that I would not mind giving to the Lumagen in the best source signal it can use. :-)

One question I do have ... Does anyone know if One gets the Menus and all that out of SDI or only the movie?


Yea you get everything on the Lumagen menu on every input including SDI.

I would have bought that from you! Damn :( I want to eventually put on those color-filtered lenses too. I wish I had found out sooner the market value. But oh well. The guy I offered a flat $1,300 to for under 1,000 hours didn't even get back to me. His came with a transcanner, original box, and shipping box. So no offence Joe-C, but $1,500 plus shipping, making it ~$1,600 total is just a bit much. My budget is $3,000 but that's not just for the projector. I'll need to invest in:color-filtered lenses, a component to RGBHV transcoder ( preferably a HD-MUX and Lumagen HDP), gesso DIY screen(for now until I can save up for a $1,600 Stewart Ultramatte 130 92" 16:9), black decor, an all new dvd player specific to the CRT world, and 100% all new high quality analog cables. Even with Ben's $700 machine offer, I'll be cutting my budget short.


The Lumagen VisionPro HDP or HDQ do SD and HD transcoding so no need for a separate transcoder.

I'm getting really tempted to buy a nice 8" LC and build a box to make it quiet. Any suggestions for that which would run me $1,500 or less?

Did you get the PM I sent you a while ago? Last week... maybe the week before? In this price range I'm baffled why you wouldn't choose a G70 over a Dwin. Even without seeing both and I can say with confidence that the G70 will absolutely smoke the Dwin.


If I really have to pay $1,500+ for a minty HD-700 I might as well do that instead, maybe. I heard Barcos are already quiet and can be made Dwin quiet with a box? I could build the box and install it that way quicker than it seems to be taking to find a decent Dwin HD-700 :mad:


Am I missing something? Why are you so frustrated? As far as I can tell you've been looking for a Dwin for less than one week (based on the start date of this thread). If you want to limit your search to one model of projector and expect to find a good deal then you need to be much more patient. It will take time. CRT is a niche market and there's not a huge amount of them for sale.

-Mark

G70 is huge...and quite loud. THat's the only reason I haven't bought one..

Ben

G70 is huge...and quite loud. THat's the only reason I haven't bought one..

Ben

Yes, like I said, the G70 SMOKES the Dwin. Not only is it bigger... it's louder!!! It's a win win situation! ;)

I guess it's all relative. My G70 looks tiny next to my G90 ;)

Probably sounds quiet compared to the G90, too. :D

Reio-ta
If your at all interested in my Dwin why don't you contact me through Audiogon or Videogon email and maybe we can come to an agreement on the price.
Joe

Probably sounds quiet compared to the G90, too. :D

My G90 has the quiet fan mod, so it might be less noisy than the G70.

-Mark

Why do you want HDMI? They should have called it PITA.

Any CRT projector will take the VGA output from anything (with a very rare bug like the 1080p timings from the Xbox360, which is apparently fixed now). You can plug the Xbox at 720p straight in.

You will need something to convert the Sync to negative ... I tried the VGA out from the Xbox 360 direct. no go.

Now there are plenty of Extron boxes on ebay that can do just that. and they go for pretty cheap.

Why do you want HDMI? They should have called it PITA.



My feelings exactly!

Mike

I have an Extron 202xi, with fancy Extron cable that cost me $25, that I'd sell for that price. I think it would do the job even better than the 120p. It worked fine with my Dwin.