I think it's meant to prevent blur, or other motion artifacts which are not present with these sets--correct me if I'm wrong... :)

uhmm... no haha sorry.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6792632-1.html

120hz is meant to help w blur but AMP does something entirely different...

AMP is video post processing. 120hz is simply how frequently the screen refreshes.
Some folks love the effect of AMP, whereas others such as myself find it not a pleasing adjustment to the content.
I hope Samsung never includes this in their DLP sets.
Best Regards
KvE

just posted a review of the 61a750 on amazon pointing out the top reflection...hopefully more people do the same so that they can let Samsung know to identify the problem...apparently the 6 series are doing the same thing but i never once saw it on last year's HLT LED models or bulb based sets, whats the deal Samsung?

Checked out the HL61A750 at three different stores tonight. The guys at HHGregg actually let me physically pick up their display to see how light it is.

BB, CC, HHGregg all are going to have the 67" in a few days around here. Most agreed it would push the HL61A750 down further in price right off the bat.

NEway about the HL61A750's we test drove....

1 - The drop off is quite apparent at not so severe angles (side 2 side & Top 2 Bottom).
2 - None of the display sets had bowing or tilting problems I could measure. Took a MM rule to check this in 4:3 and 16:9 ticker mode.
3 - Brightness was set on all 3 at 45 (factory setting normal) and could only increase to about 57 before the blacks started washing out.
4 - From a direct 1080P Blu Ray source with the 60-120HZ comparison demo, this thing looks really good dead on.
5 - The 720P source BB had did not do this set justice at all!

FWIW: If the 73" Mitsubishi had LED we would be hanging it right now ;)

Conclusion: We'll pull the trigger on this 61" set when the 67" comes out due to pricing, unless, the 67" looks equal in the side by side.

Peace!

I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the 61A750 this weekend. I wonder if the price may drop any more in the next couple of weeks?

Well, I couldn't be happier with the 750. I only got to watch it for about 1-2 hours last night. My eyes were actually sore from the brightness.........
MUCH MUCH different look than what I saw in the store.(which is what was hoping for)
I actually have it sitting on a 42" stand, and looks fantastic. I will post pics later.

BB, CC, HHGregg all are going to have the 67" in a few days around here. Most agreed it would push the HL61A750 down further in price right off the bat.


Not sure where they got the info that it will be out in a few days. All three of those places said that? Certainly hope so!

uhmm... no haha sorry.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6792632-1.html

120hz is meant to help w blur but AMP does something entirely different...


It's still artificial and not needed in DLP.

so I'm about to get the A750 as a replacement from samsung for my HLT6187SX that took a dump.

who has posted the best settings for this bad boy? :p

Are most of you guys using defaults?

I would also like to see if anybody had a list of good settings for the A750

I would also like to see if anybody had a list of good settings for the A750

did some searching and it seems these are some quality settings

Today I spent some time calibrating my HL61A750. I used the AVSHD test patterns via my PS3 which are really ideal. Mostly I use three images...

1. Black levels starting at 0 IRE with 2 IRE steps upwards.
2. White levels starting at 255 IRE with 2 IRE steps downwards.
3. An image that combines number one and two (fantastic test image).

I picked Standard for Picture Mode although I think each mode is simply preset values for all of the other settings. Meaning the image would look the same if you set each setting to the same value regardless of which Picture Mode you selected.

I started with the premise that setting Dynamic Contrast to Maximum would provide the best pop (3D look). I also set LED control to minimum to obtain the best blacks.

Not knowing exactly what Black Adjust does I turned it off and without spending several hours (not at this time) I didn't want to adjust the Gamma setting so I left it at zero. However once I came up with Contrast and Brightness settings I tried the various Gamma settings and they would require you adjust both Contrast and Brightness but not to a large degree.

I gave the third test pattern the lion of usage as it reflects what the set can actually do with mixed content (both bright and dark) versus either all bright or dark images. My viewing environment had a fair amount of ambient light but there were no lights on in the room and the blinds were closed.

These are settings I ended up with...

85 - Contrast
63 - Brightness (with normal content 60 or so adds some depth)
0 - Sharpness (removed ringing without defocussing the image)
35 - Color (purely my personal taste)
Tint - 50/50

Off - Black Adjust
High - Dynamic Contrast
Min - Led Control
0 - Gamma
Off - Edge Enhancement
Normal - Color Tone

After the calibrating I spent some time viewing Crank on Blu-ray (my test viewing disc) and everything looked great. The black level appears a little higher than my Optoma HD80 projector however the projector doesn't display the best shadow details and I tend to set black level a little dark.

Then I spent a little time watching the Masters and again everything looked great. Shadow details appear much better than when I started with the Standard's default Contrast and Brightness settings.

There are literal thousands of settings and it's hard to say how valuable these are however they appear to provide an image with a lot of punch but not overly so. I'd say about halfway between what you traditional see as Movie and TV settings. It's life-like with just enough extra pop to say it looks better than being there. :)

UPDATE: I entered the same settings into the Standard and Movie Picture modes and they appear to give identical results. So I'm pretty sure they are just presets. However I did notice when you change Picture Modes it appears to set Black Adjust on High regardless of its setting. To get back to the Off setting (even though it states it's Off) I have to cycle through the settings back to Off.

Thanks BigB!

Hey guys, i just got off the phone with Crutchfield and i bought the 61" 750. My view area is at the limit 8" so i couldn't go any bigger. I currently have a Sony KF42WE610 from early 04, and (nock on wood) haven't had any isses still the original bulb :). I have notice the picture is dimmer. The main reason i bought it is because of the LED engine and 1080P, so i can enjoy blu and all its glory. I originally wanted the 56 but, didn't feel like going with older technology like the bulb, no offense to anyone.

I will report any findings i see once i recieve the set, should be around a week. Can someone point me to the post with the program in the USB stick to use the test patters. I read about 20 first pages, it just got overwellming.

P.S. I also pretty much got the BB price with the free Samsung stand, and they also have a 30 day price guarranty and if defective they will pay for the shipping, just incase some of you didn't know. Sales guys was Keith hook me up right away. If you want his extension number PM me.

Thanks BigB!

i've tried those settings, things are too white, and bloom too much, looks terrible. also, i would think dynamic type settings should be disabled and then calibrated

Ive owned these 3 tvs recently hl61a750,52xbr4,and kds60a3000.The 52xbr4 is crap smears like crazy terrible for gaming.The 750 at least all that i saw and 2 i had had tilt off which i fixed myself and bowing which like smearing once you see bugs you alot.And theres no fix for bowing.And i aint here to start a debate just saying my thoughts on my 3 tv's.The kdsa3000 is without a dought IMO much better then the others i have/had.CC still has some kdsxxa3000 on display for super cheap and maybe BB and sears as well.just wanted to say if your not happy with the bowing/tilting that alot are saying then you may want to pick up a kds60a3000 for only 1450 at CC.Also if you love the 750 then cool not trying to change your mind just saying this for people like me who didnt like bowing and the picture on the kds is also sharper/brighter then the 750,But im sure the 650 brightness is great also.BTW i know this is rptv section so if you ask why i mentioned a lcd sony 52xbr4 its to prove im not a sony fanboy.Sony can produce crap sets to.

P.S. I also pretty much got the BB price with the free Samsung stand, and they also have a 30 day price guarranty and if defective they will pay for the shipping, just incase some of you didn't know. Sales guys was Keith hook me up right away. If you want his extension number PM me.


I just did the online chat with someone on Crutchfield and his name was Keith as well not sure if same guy but i think it is. Yes the price is about $100 off from BB offer right now, and that comes with a free stand. You can always call him he is very helpful and i think they get some sort of bonus of some sort when people buy and refrence there name, so here is his contact number 1-800-388-2911 ext 4035. If i am not allowed to place numbers please delete this mod and i apologize.

Thanks

Can i request from some people that have these units to post some pics or there unit on and off. I would love to see more pics of the clarity and the way they look. I am purchasing mine by this Saturday which is the cut off the the 60 day guarantee at BB.

Thanks

did some searching and it seems these are some quality settings

I don't think I would like those settings. Mine (from memory, which is pretty good) are:
Standard mode (What i like for TV viewing, provides extra "pop", and 3D-ish look but clearly over saturated:

93 - Contrast
45 - Brightness
0 - Sharpness
52 - Color
Tint - 48/52

Off - Black Adjust
Low - Dynamic Contrast (Depends on my mood, turning it off sometimes looks better, and gives less SSE, but less pop. at night I often turn this off).
Auto - Led Control (Sometimes turn down at night to medium or lower)
0 - Gamma
Off - Edge Enhancement
Normal - Color Tone

For movie mode, I have Dynamic contrast OFF, Led control at medium, gamma at -3, (went back and forth between this and 0, but -3 seems more linear), warm2, and contrast at 85, and brightness at 46.

One of these days, I'll bust out the Spyder and see how close this is. But, calibrating to reference is just reference. Play with the settings and adjust to what looks good to you.

I don't think I would like those settings. Mine (from memory, which is pretty good) are:
Standard mode (What i like for TV viewing, provides extra "pop", and 3D-ish look but clearly over saturated:

95 - Contrast
53 - Brightness
0 - Sharpness
52 - Color
Tint - 48/52

Off - Black Adjust
Low - Dynamic Contrast (Depends on my mood, turning it off sometimes looks better, and gives less SSE, but less pop. at night I often turn this off).
Auto - Led Control (Sometimes turn down at night to medium or lower)
0 - Gamma
Off - Edge Enhancement
Normal - Color Tone

For movie mode, I have Dynamic contrast OFF, Led control at medium, gamma at -3, (went back and forth between this and 0, but -3 seems more linear), warm2, and contrast and brightness both lower than in standard.

One of these days, I'll bust out the Spyder and see how close this is. But, calibrating to reference is just reference. Play with the settings and adjust to what looks good to you.

you don't think with those settings there is too much white bleeding/blooming? and blacks that are not distinguishable?

Hey everyone,

So I had my HL56A650 delivered to my house this morning, and so far I'm very pleased with it. Picture out of the box was good, obviously gonna need to tweak it to get that perfect picture dialed in, but overall I'm very pleased.

Everything I read said this tv has 120 hz processing, but when I'm running my XBOX360 via HDMI at 1080p, and I hit the info button on the remote, it shows it as being 60 hz.

Is there something I'm missing, or will it always say 60hz and process it at 120hz anyways?

I figured this was the place to ask, because when I made the decision to get my HLR-5067W I got all the info I needed from everyone here and made a great decision with my last tv.

But of course technology is always changing, and I figured now was a good time to upgrade since I'm still not sold on Plasma or LCD yet, and who knows how many more Models of DLP we're gonna see.

Anyways, if someone could give me some clarification on how the 120hz works on this set, I'd be more gratefull!

Thanks!!

Can i request from some people that have these units to post some pics or there unit on and off. I would love to see more pics of the clarity and the way they look. I am purchasing mine by this Saturday which is the cut off the the 60 day guarantee at BB.

Thanks

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/Jammasterc/IMG_2975.jpg

Some settings I like:
Mode Movie
Contrast 90
Brightness 45
Sharp 20
Color 50
Tint 50/50

Detailed
Black Adjust High
Dynamic Contrast Low
LED Control Low
Gamma -3
White Balance 0
Flesh Tone 0
Edge Enhancement ON
xvYCC OFF

Picture Options
Color Tone Normal
Digital NR High
Color Gamut Wide

did some searching and it seems these are some quality settingsAfter some viewing I ended up adjusting a couple of those settings...

58 - Brightness (from 63 as it simply looks better with actual content)
30 - Color (from 35 still has plenty of pop but doesn't look overblown)

Actually I think many people will find the Standard setting to their liking with just a couple of adjustments...

1. Turn off Edge Enhancement.
2. Turn Color down to 30.

It's more of a video look which most people like versus the other settings which are more of a film look.

The source is 60hz. That is what is being reported.


Is there something I'm missing, or will it always say 60hz and process it at 120hz anyways?

Hey everyone,

So I had my HL56A650 delivered to my house this morning, and so far I'm very pleased with it. Picture out of the box was good, obviously gonna need to tweak it to get that perfect picture dialed in, but overall I'm very pleased.

Everything I read said this tv has 120 hz processing, but when I'm running my XBOX360 via HDMI at 1080p, and I hit the info button on the remote, it shows it as being 60 hz.

Is there something I'm missing, or will it always say 60hz and process it at 120hz anyways?

I figured this was the place to ask, because when I made the decision to get my HLR-5067W I got all the info I needed from everyone here and made a great decision with my last tv.

But of course technology is always changing, and I figured now was a good time to upgrade since I'm still not sold on Plasma or LCD yet, and who knows how many more Models of DLP we're gonna see.

Anyways, if someone could give me some clarification on how the 120hz works on this set, I'd be more gratefull!

Thanks!!

it's displaying the info on the source, which is 60hz, bluray from ps3 will say 24hz if u set it to that, but the tv uses 120hz to display

I remember when my HLN617W was brand spanking new and everyone (myself included) wanted the "experts" to give us the settings they used to make their sets look the best. We wanted not only the user settings but the SM settings too!

The problem with this thinking is that even though all sets with the same model number are supposed to be the same... they simply are not EXACTLY the same. Thus, the settings that make one set look great may make another set look like major doo-doo.

When mine was new, over four years ago, it looked really good OOTB. I did a little tweaking to make it look good to me and it has remained this way ever since.

Now that most of these DLP's are set much better in the factory it is probably best for each owner to make adjustments based on what looks best to them. ;)

Just my $0.02

Ah Ok. Many thanks!!

Just wanted to make sure I'm getting the most out of my tv!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/Jammasterc/IMG_2975.jpg

God that thing is sexay. HAHA gotta remove some stickers son hahahahaha. Looks good though.

We have had two different repairmen come out and look at our tv (thanks to Samsung). The first one said there was nothing wrong and he did not even touch the tv. The second one said that there was too much of an hourglass shape (while watching it in the pillarbox setting on normal TV). He said that our screen was concaved and that he would order a new screen for us. He also put his hand inside the screen and pushed it out a little to show me what he meant. His experience with these TVs so far is that most have a concaved screen and he is not sure if they are being transported in hot trucks, stored in hot warehouses, etc.
He is ordering a new screen which we will have in two weeks. I still have a few days left to exchange it at BB, but I think we are going to hope this fix works. I am just hoping the cabinet itself is not warped.
Has anyone else had this kind of experience with the bowing/hourglass shape being repaired properly?

I just did the online chat with someone on Crutchfield and his name was Keith as well not sure if same guy but i think it is. Yes the price is about $100 off from BB offer right now, and that comes with a free stand. You can always call him he is very helpful and i think they get some sort of bonus of some sort when people buy and refrence there name, so here is his contact number 1-800-388-2911 ext 4035. If i am not allowed to place numbers please delete this mod and i apologize.

Thanks

Yup that's his extension, the price was 75 more than the sale at BB now with the free stand and free shipping.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/Jammasterc/IMG_2975.jpg

Some settings I like:
Mode Movie
Contrast 90
Brightness 45
Sharp 20
Color 50
Tint 50/50

Detailed
Black Adjust High
Dynamic Contrast Low
LED Control Low
Gamma -3
White Balance 0
Flesh Tone 0
Edge Enhancement ON
xvYCC OFF

Picture Options
Color Tone Normal
Digital NR High
Color Gamut Wide

nice looking replacement set...looks like mine with the same build date and firmware haha, i think both of ours came off the same truckload. Do you see the reflection on the top ever?

We have had two different repairmen come out and look at our tv (thanks to Samsung). The first one said there was nothing wrong and he did not even touch the tv. The second one said that there was too much of an hourglass shape (while watching it in the pillarbox setting on normal TV). He said that our screen was concaved and that he would order a new screen for us. He also put his hand inside the screen and pushed it out a little to show me what he meant. His experience with these TVs so far is that most have a concaved screen and he is not sure if they are being transported in hot trucks, stored in hot warehouses, etc.
He is ordering a new screen which we will have in two weeks. I still have a few days left to exchange it at BB, but I think we are going to hope this fix works. I am just hoping the cabinet itself is not warped.
Has anyone else had this kind of experience with the bowing/hourglass shape being repaired properly?

to my understanding it is normally due to the cabinet and not the screen. Did the hourglass shape go away when he pressed on the screen from inside? I have always been under the impression that it was the mirror on the inside of the back of the cabinet that cause the geometry to be off if there was any kind of warping on the cabinet itself like something being placed on top of the box when being shipped. Someone care to chime in and help me out?

i've tried those settings, things are too white, and bloom too much, looks terrible. also, i would think dynamic type settings should be disabled and then calibrated

Yeah, and a 63 brightness setting would be too high on the HLT sets as well. Perhaps it simply reflects a taste of difference between visual tastes.

We have had two different repairmen come out and look at our tv (thanks to Samsung). The first one said there was nothing wrong and he did not even touch the tv. The second one said that there was too much of an hourglass shape (while watching it in the pillarbox setting on normal TV). He said that our screen was concaved and that he would order a new screen for us. He also put his hand inside the screen and pushed it out a little to show me what he meant. His experience with these TVs so far is that most have a concaved screen and he is not sure if they are being transported in hot trucks, stored in hot warehouses, etc.


But it's too early in the year to be worrying about hot trucks and warehouses. If that's is a credible explanation, though, think of how much worse the problem will be come July and August.

Was the 1004 Firmware for all models in the 650/750 line or specific to one line?

Hey does anyone have the dimensions of the box that the 750 comes in??? I need to make sure it fits in my Tahoe. And will it be okay to transport the TV laying down? Or should i find someone with a pickup truck and stand it right side up?

Thanks

nice looking replacement set...looks like mine with the same build date and firmware haha, i think both of ours came off the same truckload. Do you see the reflection on the top ever?

I tested Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Mans Chest, and yes the reflection was there on the top black bar.

I'm pretty sure that I also saw this on my old HLT6189, but to a much lesser degree.

Has anyone had any luck with BB with the following:

1 - Getting the sale price for hte TV
2 - Picking the Samsung DVD up for $50
3 - Pick the Yamaha DVD player up for free
4 - Being able to use a 10% coupon

So far i have 1-3 done. I have it in my online cart and everything calculates out just as stated with both DVD players. Now my next hurdle is to get someone at Best Buy to honor all this and still get me the 10% off with the coupon i have.

Anyone have any luck with this??

But it's too early in the year to be worrying about hot trucks and warehouses. If that's is a credible explanation, though, think of how much worse the problem will be come July and August.

You do know these are made in Mexico?

I don't think it is to chilly down there. Who knows how long ahead of time these things were made and sat in a warehouse there.

Are most of the bowing issues form people that got the TV early? Anyone with bowing just recently purchase the TV and it also has a later build date (like April)?

to my understanding it is normally due to the cabinet and not the screen. Did the hourglass shape go away when he pressed on the screen from inside? I have always been under the impression that it was the mirror on the inside of the back of the cabinet that cause the geometry to be off if there was any kind of warping on the cabinet itself like something being placed on top of the box when being shipped. Someone care to chime in and help me out?

When the guy put his hand on the inside of the screen and pushed out just a bit, the image totally changed. It actually looked a bit distorted in the opposite direction instead of an hourglass shape. He said the screen has to be perfectly installed and straight to get the image it is supposed to have.
I called Samsung twice today to see if I would get the same answer. I asked them if the screen replacement (which we are having done) does not fix the issue and it ends upbeing a warped cabinet, will they send me a NEW tv. Both times I called, they said now that the problem has been seen, it will be repaired until the service shop determines that it cannot be fixed and then Samsung will replace it.
I still have a few days to return it to BB and the repairman said if I do that to make them open a box on the floor and plug it in to make sure it does not have the same issues -- as most are. Has anyone had experience with trading out a problem tv with Samsung? Is it a huge ordeal? I really dont want to deal with the hassle of taking this thing back to BB because I do not have a car it will fit in and looking at them open boxes on the floor sounds exhausting. Does anyone have any ideas on what I sould do?

Has anyone had any luck with BB with the following:

1 - Getting the sale price for hte TV
2 - Picking the Samsung DVD up for $50
3 - Pick the Yamaha DVD player up for free
4 - Being able to use a 10% coupon

So far i have 1-3 done. I have it in my online cart and everything calculates out just as stated with both DVD players. Now my next hurdle is to get someone at Best Buy to honor all this and still get me the 10% off with the coupon i have.

Anyone have any luck with this??
I did #1, 3, and 4 but in the store. I did talk with BBonline and they indicated you'd have to call them to do #4.

I did #1, 3, and 4 but in the store. I did talk with BBonline and they indicated you'd have to call them to do #4.


I would have to call who to get #4 done? I would love to do it all online that way i dont have to deal with anyone. But the coupon for 10% off says not good for bestbuy.com.

I would have to call who to get #4 done? I would love to do it all online that way i dont have to deal with anyone. But the coupon for 10% off says not good for bestbuy.com.
Go to the Post Office and pick up one of the change of address packages. You will find a "bonus" in there that should work if you call bestbuy.com's online number. Trust me... it is worth it.

Hey does anyone have the dimensions of the box that the 750 comes in??? I need to make sure it fits in my Tahoe. And will it be okay to transport the TV laying down? Or should i find someone with a pickup truck and stand it right side up?

Thanks

I would not lay it down. I just brought mine home last night, and would not bring it home any other way than standing it up in a pick up.

Can i request from some people that have these units to post some pics or there unit on and off.

My 61A750 :)

http://xboxphreaker.com/TV1.jpg

http://xboxphreaker.com/TV3.jpg

http://xboxphreaker.com/TV4.jpg

http://xboxphreaker.com/TV5.jpg

http://xboxphreaker.com/TV2.jpg

Hey does anyone have the dimensions of the box that the 750 comes in??? I need to make sure it fits in my Tahoe. And will it be okay to transport the TV laying down? Or should i find someone with a pickup truck and stand it right side up?

Thanks

I took my 750 out of the box at CC and was able to just get it into the back of my '99 Escalade.

Bill:D

I don't see the refleciton on the upper or lower black bars in Spiderman above.

When the guy put his hand on the inside of the screen and pushed out just a bit, the image totally changed. It actually looked a bit distorted in the opposite direction instead of an hourglass shape. He said the screen has to be perfectly installed and straight to get the image it is supposed to have.
I called Samsung twice today to see if I would get the same answer. I asked them if the screen replacement (which we are having done) does not fix the issue and it ends upbeing a warped cabinet, will they send me a NEW tv. Both times I called, they said now that the problem has been seen, it will be repaired until the service shop determines that it cannot be fixed and then Samsung will replace it.
I still have a few days to return it to BB and the repairman said if I do that to make them open a box on the floor and plug it in to make sure it does not have the same issues -- as most are. Has anyone had experience with trading out a problem tv with Samsung? Is it a huge ordeal? I really dont want to deal with the hassle of taking this thing back to BB because I do not have a car it will fit in and looking at them open boxes on the floor sounds exhausting. Does anyone have any ideas on what I sould do?

it is definately the cabinet as well, was the screen warped vertically or horizontally? i would definately get an exchange thru bestbuy before u try going thru samsung, it can be a hassle...after the screen gets replaced and doesnt fix the bowing then they will request u to order another part to try and fix it then after that doesnt work u might get a replacement set...take it back to best buy and tell them that ur cabinet and screen are warped simple as that and u can have a new set right away!!

I don't see the refleciton on the upper or lower black bars in Spiderman above.

not enough bright objects in the upper portion...all of the 750A's have this reflection seems like a design flaw, that hopefully Samsung will identify and address an easy fix like last years halo reflection

Would someone be so kind as to post the width and depth of the "foot" the TV sits on?

Go to the Post Office and pick up one of the change of address packages. You will find a "bonus" in there that should work if you call bestbuy.com's online number. Trust me... it is worth it.

Okay i went to the post office and got one of those packets that is for change of address. And i did see the coupon in there, but the coupon still says for in store only. So why are you suggesting to call bestbuy's online number what will they do for me, for a coupon that states instore use only?

Thanks

I took my 750 out of the box at CC and was able to just get it into the back of my '99 Escalade.

Bill:D

I just might have to do the same thing.

Okay i went to the post office and got one of those packets that is for change of address. And i did see the coupon in there, but the coupon still says for in store only. So why are you suggesting to call bestbuy's online number what will they do for me, for a coupon that states instore use only?

Thanks
Oops... I didn't see that! I called them and asked if I could use the discount via the web and was told no but they could did it over the phone. I'd try that. If not, I hope you have a store near you. If so, they "matched" the web deal in the store for me via the "60 day" best price window.

Would someone be so kind as to post the width and depth of the "foot" the TV sits on?

I measure around 39" in front, about 13" from front to back.

Don

I bit on the 61A750 tonight at BB. They didn't have the free yamaha upconvert, so they knocked $100 off a PS3 for me...that's what I'd rather have anyway. Planned to sell the Yamaha on ebay and get one.

For 3 yrs no interest and 5 minutes away, it was a pretty easy choice (although I was hoping to hold out to see the 67"). If the 67 comes in within my 30 days and the price comes down a bit...I might swap.

Just got the tv put up and HR20 thru it. Looking good so far on a 5 minute look at HBO and a one recorded HD movie. Looking forward to spending some time w/ the PS3 and Blu-ray goodness.

I have hooked up my Xbox360 to the 61A750 using the VGA adapter cable since 1080p over component won't work and I have it set at resolution1920X1080 but the info buttons shows it at 60hz. Shoudn't it show 24hz for 1080p? Also my picture does not look too good using the VGA cable.

I measure around 39" in front, about 13" from front to back.

Don

Thank you much!

Hey, I used to live in Manhattan Beach - nice place!

Question:

When BB does a pricematch, do they match the price you paid before coupons or after? So if you get the TV for $1889 @ BB and get the 10% off coupon for a net of $1700, then BB starts selling the TV for $1750, will BB price match you from $1889 to $1750 or will they say "you already got it for less, too bad"???

I'm planning to swing by BB tomorrow to pick this sucker up - I cancelled my order @ big river because their delivery time was next week sometime.

I have hooked up my Xbox360 to the 61A750 using the VGA adapter cable since 1080p over component won't work and I have it set at resolution1920X1080 but the info buttons shows it at 60hz. Shoudn't it show 24hz for 1080p? Also my picture does not look too good using the VGA cable.

it won't show 24hz because that is only for 1080P films...not video games

I have hooked up my Xbox360 to the 61A750 using the VGA adapter cable since 1080p over component won't work and I have it set at resolution1920X1080 but the info buttons shows it at 60hz. Shoudn't it show 24hz for 1080p? Also my picture does not look too good using the VGA cable.

Peja - the 60hz is in reference to the signal the TV is receiving, not the signal it's outputting. 60hz sounds right. As for it not looking good, you need to go into the settings and change the reference level from standard to expanded to get your contrast back.

Peja - the 60hz is in reference to the signal the TV is receiving, not the signal it's outputting. 60hz sounds right. As for it not looking good, you need to go into the settings and change the reference level from standard to expanded to get your contrast back.

My reference level is already on expanded and my picture with the component cable still looks alot better. Maybe I have a cheap vga cable?

it won't show 24hz because that is only for 1080P films...not video games

That's weird cause I swear my HLT5687s showed 24hz with component at 1080p on my 360. It sucks that this set won't.

That's weird cause I swear my HLT5687s showed 24hz with component at 1080p on my 360. It sucks that this set won't.

i dunno man, i have only seen it while playing blu-ray movies on my previous HLT5687S, but never with any PS3 games...where u playing games or hd-dvd movies?

Now you have me worried about the VGA cable I just got for the TV! If the image looks worse than component that's no good. You also have the image set to 1 to 1 pixel?

Question:

When BB does a pricematch, do they match the price you paid before coupons or after? So if you get the TV for $1889 @ BB and get the 10% off coupon for a net of $1700, then BB starts selling the TV for $1750, will BB price match you from $1889 to $1750 or will they say "you already got it for less, too bad"???

I'm planning to swing by BB tomorrow to pick this sucker up - I cancelled my order @ big river because their delivery time was next week sometime.
I'm not sure that I'm following your math... but they matched the price and gave me the 10% off of the matched price. Since they didn't have the "free" DVD player, they discounted the price of the free player from the net price.

i dunno man, i have only seen it while playing blu-ray movies on my previous HLT5687S, but never with any PS3 games...where u playing games or hd-dvd movies?

I never watch movies on my 360. It is during games.

I never watch movies on my 360. It is during games.

you should ask the 2007 HLT LED owners thread and see what those guys say, because i am stumped haha

Swapped my 67 order to Sears today. Pricematched Tweeter + 10% of difference, used Sears card to save an additional 10%. All told, about $2160 with tax and delivery. Expecting on Tuesday. Could have had Saturday or Sunday but I'm already booked for the weekend. :)

nineatesix - are you implying you're getting the 67" set next week?? All the online sites (with the exception of sears) are saying that set doesn't come out until the 1st of June! This is the 7 series LED model right? ;)

I'm going to be pissed if crutchfield doesn't ship the tv around the same time as local stores getting it.

nineatesix - are you implying you're getting the 67" set next week?? All the online sites (with the exception of sears) are saying that set doesn't come out until the 1st of June! This is the 7 series LED model right? ;)

I'm going to be pissed if crutchfield doesn't ship the tv around the same time as local stores getting it.

Yes. HL67A750.

Tuesday May 13 unless Sears is completely out of whack. For NJ customers, they have been showing delivery dates beginning 5/9 all this week. (We may yet see some posts from folks receiving delivery tomorrow, today actually as it is past midnight.) Could be a result of proximity of NJ shipping ports hence shorter trucking distances. At any rate :)

Ah you're going off the online date listed? I used to live in NJ (East brunswick, represent!) and put in my old zipcode. It said 5/9 2 days ago. 5/10 yesterday and 5/11 today. It's like they keep pushing it out. So I just figured they're making stuff up.

Ah you're going off the online date listed? I used to live in NJ (East brunswick, represent!) and put in my old zipcode. It said 5/9 2 days ago. 5/10 yesterday and 5/11 today. It's like they keep pushing it out. So I just figured they're making stuff up.

I don't think so. I think what you are seeing is their delivery slots being filled up by people buying sets.

Cool well in any case, I hope you get yours soon! That would mean only good things for the rest of us getting them sooner rather than later :).

Maybe I'll have the first 67 owner post on Tuesday.

Today I saw the 65" New Mits with DarkChip4 vs the 61a750. I was expeting to be blown away by the LED. Despite all the tweaking I could on the blu-ray source, the white and black seemd WORSE on the LED...... just don't get it.

Today I saw the 65" New Mits with DarkChip4 vs the 61a750. I was expeting to be blown away by the LED. Despite all the tweaking I could on the blu-ray source, the white and black seemd WORSE on the LED...... just don't get it.
I'm not sure I follow. I think I would expect the DC4 to have better blacks and whites than the LED. The DC4 was supposed to have a better contrast ratio than the DC3, and I am of the opinion (no facts to back it) that the 650/750 are DC3 still. That would lead me to believe that the blacks and whites would be better on the Mitsu than the Sammie. I don't think bulb underperforms LED in that category anyway. The way I understand it is LED has better color range, no rainbow effect, and removes the need for replacing bulbs and color wheels.

Of course, I base all of this on piecing together different data points from readin hundreds of posts in this thread. I could be completely off.

I have hooked up my Xbox360 to the 61A750 using the VGA adapter cable since 1080p over component won't work and I have it set at resolution1920X1080 but the info buttons shows it at 60hz. Shoudn't it show 24hz for 1080p? Also my picture does not look too good using the VGA cable.

Peja - the 60hz is in reference to the signal the TV is receiving, not the signal it's outputting. 60hz sounds right. As for it not looking good, you need to go into the settings and change the reference level from standard to expanded to get your contrast back.

My reference level is already on expanded and my picture with the component cable still looks alot better. Maybe I have a cheap vga cable?

You don't say if its the Microsoft VGA cable. You shouldn't be having an issue with VGA vs component if your 360 had the update that came out months ago. You shouldn't have to change the reference level, either, maybe somebody else can confirm. Make sure the picture size is set to "Wide TV". Check your picture settings vs. Component. There are a lot of things to verify and you don't give us much to go on.

You aren't going to get 1080p from component, but on the HDDVD hooked through the 360 player, I don't get any 24p playback on 1080p content either. My choice to choose Film mode is greyed out and the info still says 60hz.

Can anybody verify that 360 with HDDVD should be doing 24p? I don't have anything doing 24p since I don't have a BluRay/PS3 so I'd like to see what the fuss is about.

I'm using King Kong BTW, which should be about as good of a 1080p source as there is.

So the 67" will be approximately $400 more than the 61"? That's based on Sears current prices.

At that size do you really notice those extra few inches? 61" seems pretty dang big. I have a 52" pan lcd now and it's starting to get small.

What about the extended warranty through CC? Does that jump up $100 when you get over 2k? I want the 67" but I don't know if it's worth an extra $500.

What do you think? Get the 61 and wait for a possible dip in the next 30 days? It won't even be out for another 2 weeks! I could spend the next 2 weeks scraping my couch and fingering vending machines!?

So the 67" will be approximately $400 more than the 61"? That's based on Sears current prices.

At that size do you really notice those extra few inches? 61" seems pretty dang big. I have a 52" pan lcd now and it's starting to get small.

What about the extended warranty through CC? Does that jump up $100 when you get over 2k? I want the 67" but I don't know if it's worth an extra $500.

What do you think? Get the 61 and wait for a possible dip in the next 30 days? It won't even be out for another 2 weeks! I could spend the next 2 weeks scraping my couch and fingering vending machines!?
1. Yes, at that size you still notice a "few inches", i noticed a good difference between 65 and 61, so 67 will be even more dramatic.

2. Is it worth it? IMO opinion it's worth it. A couple of inches is actually a 20% gain in screen real estate. That's a pretty big difference. Plus, you can save some money if you like by getting an EW from someone other than CC.

You don't say if its the Microsoft VGA cable. You shouldn't be having an issue with VGA vs component if your 360 had the update that came out months ago. You shouldn't have to change the reference level, either, maybe somebody else can confirm. Make sure the picture size is set to "Wide TV". Check your picture settings vs. Component. There are a lot of things to verify and you don't give us much to go on.

You aren't going to get 1080p from component, but on the HDDVD hooked through the 360 player, I don't get any 24p playback on 1080p content either. My choice to choose Film mode is greyed out and the info still says 60hz.

Can anybody verify that 360 with HDDVD should be doing 24p? I don't have anything doing 24p since I don't have a BluRay/PS3 so I'd like to see what the fuss is about.

I'm using King Kong BTW, which should be about as good of a 1080p source as there is.


I believe blu ray is the only thing that can do 1080P/24fps.

Hey does anyone have the dimensions of the box that the 750 comes in???

See post #1460: 60 x 20.2 x 42.6

I would have to call who to get #4 done? I would love to do it all online that way i dont have to deal with anyone. But the coupon for 10% off says not good for bestbuy.com.

FWIW, here's my understanding of BB's policy regarding these discount coupons:
They apply the discount coupon against their regular price for the item, not the current sale price of it. Further, if you use any coupon or other form of additional discounting, then their package deals are off the table. For example, if you buy the TV at their current sale price, they may include a free DVD or $100 off on a PS3 or BD player. However, if you choose to use your 10% coupon against their regular price for the TV, then you do not get the free DVD or the $100 off the other items or no-interest financing, etc. The sales staff at all the BBs I've been to know this policy well and stick by it.

The 10% coupon in the post office packet is for BB in-store and in-stock items only.

Your experience with BB may be different than mine...good luck and let us know how it works out for you.

Question:

When BB does a pricematch, do they match the price you paid before coupons or after? So if you get the TV for $1889 @ BB and get the 10% off coupon for a net of $1700, then BB starts selling the TV for $1750, will BB price match you from $1889 to $1750 or will they say "you already got it for less, too bad"???

I'm planning to swing by BB tomorrow to pick this sucker up - I cancelled my order @ big river because their delivery time was next week sometime.

if they pricematch, they won't let u use a coupon, they didn't for me at least. but i bought it for $1999 when it was listed as 2299 2 weeks ago, this week the priced dropped to 1889, i went to the store, and they gave me $120 credit on my card.

Now you have me worried about the VGA cable I just got for the TV! If the image looks worse than component that's no good. You also have the image set to 1 to 1 pixel?

how do u set it to 1:1 pixel?

So is this set DC4 or still no one knows for certain. There has to be a Samsung insider around here somewhere.

Would someone be so kind as to post the width and depth of the "foot" the TV sits on?

My 61" 750 is sitting on a stand, so it's a little difficult to get a precise measurement, but here's what I have:

39" x 13"

FWIW, here's my understanding of BB's policy regarding these discount coupons:
They apply the discount coupon against their regular price for the item, not the current sale price of it. Further, if you use any coupon or other form of additional discounting, then their package deals are off the table. For example, if you buy the TV at their current sale price, they may include a free DVD or $100 off on a PS3 or BD player. However, if you choose to use your 10% coupon against their regular price for the TV, then you do not get the free DVD or the $100 off the other items or no-interest financing, etc. The sales staff at all the BBs I've been to know this policy well and stick by it.

The 10% coupon in the post office packet is for BB in-store and in-stock items only.

Your experience with BB may be different than mine...good luck and let us know how it works out for you.

Every store/associate is different. I have used these coupons on sale items at one location and then have another location tell me I cant. You cam also go to www.dealcatcher.com and get Best Buy coupons directly from the site that you can pront off on your own. Save yourself some extra time and gas money!!

you don't think with those settings there is too much white bleeding/blooming? and blacks that are not distinguishable?

OK, my settings were actually a bit off. Guess my memory wasn't as good as I thought. ;) Here is what I'm actually using.
Standard mode (What i like for TV viewing, provides extra "pop", and 3D-ish look but clearly over saturated:

95 - Contrast
53 - Brightness
0 - Sharpness
52 - Color
Tint - 48/52

Off - Black Adjust
Low - Dynamic Contrast (Depends on my mood, turning it off sometimes looks better, and gives less SSE, but less pop. at night I often turn this off).
Auto - Led Control (Sometimes turn down at night to medium or lower)
0 - Gamma
Off - Edge Enhancement
Normal - Color Tone

For movie mode, I have:
contrast 85
brightness 46
Dynamic contrast OFF
Led control at medium
gamma at -3, (went back and forth between this and 0, but -3 seems more linear)
Color tone - warm2

HDMI black level is greyed out and set to Auto for cable viewing. I believe for Blu rays it is changeable, and I uhave it at low. Other things to note is I use sRGB for color tone.

I'm thinking that I'll put together a spreadsheet of tweaks and settings, and FAQ type stuff similar to what I did for the HLN617W set. Maybe start a new thread for this type of stuff.

OK, my settings were actually a bit off. Guess my memory wasn't as good as I thought. ;) Here is what I'm actually using.
Standard mode (What i like for TV viewing, provides extra "pop", and 3D-ish look but clearly over saturated:

95 - Contrast
53 - Brightness
0 - Sharpness
52 - Color
Tint - 48/52

Off - Black Adjust
Low - Dynamic Contrast (Depends on my mood, turning it off sometimes looks better, and gives less SSE, but less pop. at night I often turn this off).
Auto - Led Control (Sometimes turn down at night to medium or lower)
0 - Gamma
Off - Edge Enhancement
Normal - Color Tone

For movie mode, I have:
contrast 85
brightness 46
Dynamic contrast OFF
Led control at medium
gamma at -3, (went back and forth between this and 0, but -3 seems more linear)
Color tone - warm2

HDMI black level is greyed out and set to Auto for cable viewing. I believe for Blu rays it is changeable, and I uhave it at low. Other things to note is I use sRGB for color tone.

I'm thinking that I'll put together a spreadsheet of tweaks and settings, and FAQ type stuff similar to what I did for the HLN617W set. Maybe start a new thread for this type of stuff.

i was thinking we should probably start a post with calibration specific stuff for the 7series in the calibration forum

i was thinking we should probably start a post with calibration specific stuff for the 7series in the calibration forum

good call....do you want to do the honors?

I went yesterday to my local BB. They didn't even have the 61' out to see. But they did have the 56' bulb TV. My question is this when you buy the LED TV what would you need to replace if your not replacing the bulb? I asked the woman at the store she had no idea. I mean I thought I read that Samsung said you don't have to replace anything on the LED model. I know its too early to ask anybody what they replaced. Thanks.

The LED light has a very long expected "life" vs. lamps. So ideally, you will throw the LED DLP set away before ever needing to replace the actual LED. No doubt, some LED's will fail. There are of course, other components within the LED DLP's which can fail and may be replaceable.

But at least you're not forecasting to buy $200 bulb replacements every 2-4 years with the LED sets...and you don't need to "payup" for that coverage on an extended warranty. LED is covered under general EW's.

Also, I just picked up the 61" LED last night at BB...online said they had it in stock. When I got there, nothign on the floor except last year's 61" as well. They pulled this unit out of the back for me.

Somebody else was asking box size, etc. This unit had to go into a Grand Caravan (in the box) at an angle. No way the 67" would fit in a van.

Net dimensions and weight(WxHxD)
TV (w/o foot): 54.8" x 37.8" x 14.4"
TV weight: 70.1 lbs.

TV (w/ foot): 54.8" x 37.8" x 15.4"

Shipping dimensions and weight (WxHxD)
Carton: 60.0" x 20.2" x 42.6"

Carton weight: 94.2 lbs.

Optional stand: (WxHxD)
TR500X3B

Net dimensions:
45.5/50.75" x 19.69" x 17.94"

Net weight: 76.3 lbs.

UPC: 03672529619
Order code
HL61A750A1FXZA
UPC
036725228009

I went yesterday to my local BB. They didn't even have the 61' out to see. But they did have the 56' bulb TV. My question is this when you buy the LED TV what would you need to replace if your not replacing the bulb? I asked the woman at the store she had no idea. I mean I thought I read that Samsung said you don't have to replace anything on the LED model. I know its too early to ask anybody what they replaced. Thanks.

You should not have to replace anything. Samsung rates the LED for 60,000 hours.

Thanks guys, so I should still get that mack warranty for the tv? Just in case something else fails. I am not gonna get the warranty from BB as they charge an arm and a leg for it. I did go to CC and saw the TV but the problem I had was I couldn't see it from a distance I was looking down at it and probably like 3 feet away too. It looked way darker than the bulb one but the bulb tv was in a dark room and I could sit about 8 feet away and it was the 56' tv. I did try messing with the settings with both TV and the 56' looked much better but I couldn't really make a judgment on it since the 61' wasn't in a good environment to see it. I really would love to see some pics of this TV if anybody has any. Surprised I haven't see any by now.

Earlier post by htwaits indicates 100k hrs on the '08 sets (assuming they are in fact using the Phatlight)

The 100,000 hour life span may be from Phlatlight for the 2008 version.

For 2006 Samsung claimed 20,000 hours, and for 2007 Samsung claimed "life of the set". Phlatlight claimed 60,000 hours for their 2007 units.

All LED systems require a new light engine if the LED unit fails. A user who has their TV on 12 hours a day should get, on average, 1, 667 days of use from a unit rated at 20,000 hours. Most owner's of the 2006 models will probably get more.

I would recommend an Extended Warranty on these sets. I used mine twice on my HLN56 over a 5 yr period.

... I did go to CC and saw the TV but the problem I had was I couldn't see it from a distance I was looking down at it and probably like 3 feet away too. It looked way darker than the bulb one but the bulb tv was in a dark room and I could sit about 8 feet away and it was the 56' tv. I did try messing with the settings with both TV and the 56' looked much better but I couldn't really make a judgment on it since the 61' wasn't in a good environment to see it. I really would love to see some pics of this TV if anybody has any. Surprised I haven't see any by now.

Some nice pics were recently posted...one or two pages back.
For me, this 750 TV is more than bright enough. It's fine in the daytime amid plenty of ambient light, and at night I've started switching to Movie mode to reduce the brightness.

So far, I have not noticed any light reflection at the upper black bar area, no bowing, no tilt, and no red/pink V. Hope my luck holds out.

Yea I saw those pics but usually when you come to these threads about a tv there are usually pics galore. I will post some pics when I get mine. Whenever that economic stimulus check comes!!!

I swapped my TV at BB last night. they took it out of the box, and confirmed the spots on the screen, they said the same thing, debri being projected. I took the new one home, set it up, and all is perfect, not spots, and a perfect HD picture. Very happy now.

Now that my LCD has gone bad (big green spots), I'm extremely thankful that I plunked down the extra 450 for the EW. I'm disappointed that I originally PAID 450, but I'm thankful now. It's unfortunate that even without having a bulb to replace, they're still charging a hefty price for the EW.

I'm getting the warranty replacement credits through CC so that's where I'm stuck shopping (blowing big kisses toward CC right now). I'll try to get the BB pricematch, since they've got the best price I could find.

Do you think that there is any chance they'll pricematch BB's $350 EW price?

good call....do you want to do the honors?

My advice, don't start it unless you are willing to really do a good job, take the first several posts as place holders for FAQ, more information, etc. This is quite a commitment. It makes a huge difference to have the first few posts contain good information, and have it maintained. It will be a much more successful thread. As a good example, check out the Onkyo 705 thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=935808


I'm willing to do it, but will need time to work on it, gather the information, and write the posts.

FWIW, here's my understanding of BB's policy regarding these discount coupons:
They apply the discount coupon against their regular price for the item, not the current sale price of it. Further, if you use any coupon or other form of additional discounting, then their package deals are off the table. For example, if you buy the TV at their current sale price, they may include a free DVD or $100 off on a PS3 or BD player. However, if you choose to use your 10% coupon against their regular price for the TV, then you do not get the free DVD or the $100 off the other items or no-interest financing, etc. The sales staff at all the BBs I've been to know this policy well and stick by it.

The 10% coupon in the post office packet is for BB in-store and in-stock items only.

Your experience with BB may be different than mine...good luck and let us know how it works out for you.


Well i did get BB so far to honor taking the 10% off the sales price that is listed online. Now i just need to try and find a cool person to try and get atleast 1 free DVD player or $100 off PS3.

I'm interested in the 67" and am still trying to decide how I want to purchase it (online, B&M, etc.). For those who will be dealing with Sears (or have bought HDTVs from them in the past), what exactly is their delivery policy? On the Sears website, it states that the delivery guys will not un-package the TV, but will place in the desired location. Huh? So they will set the TV, still in the box, on top of my stand and that's that, cya? Since I live alone I will need help first in moving my existing TV to my bedroom and then placing the new one on the stand. I can understand why Sears wouldn't want the delivery guys to be responsible for connecting peripherals, but I wouldn't want them to anyway. :eek:

Yeah bruce, I hate when those delivery bastards who just leave the TV in box as it is and never help set it up. Not to mention they charge us **** load on delivery regardless of distance.

Anyways, I am thinking about uprading my 27" CRT HDTV to 52" or larger? Which one should I go for? Rear Projection or LCD?? how is the bulb life on Rare Projection?

i've been keeping up with the thread since page one, and to be honest i'm too lazy to go back and find this, so...

what's the quickest and best method to check my brand new 750 for bowing/tilting/red v/etc out of the box?

thanks in advance.

i've been keeping up with the thread since page one, and to be honest i'm too lazy to go back and find this, so...

what's the quickest and best method to check my brand new 750 for bowing/tilting/red v/etc out of the box?

thanks in advance.

To be honest, when my 650 arrives next week, if I don't notice any of these issues after viewing the set normally for a few days ... I'm not going to put up the grid pattern to now "find" them and see them from there on.

There were some downloadable test patters you could put on a USB stick, but the set comes with it's own...thanks to an old turls thread:


Geometry patters in Service Menu:

You can get to the test patterns by going to the DDP3021 menu, and choosing Test Pattern (DDP).
You can then right arrow through various test patterns.

...not to tempt you or anything CyberCT :P

Someone asked what stand i am gonna go with. After some research i think i might go with this one.

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/8193/8193554cv2a.jpg

There were some downloadable test patters you could put on a USB stick, but the set comes with it's own...thanks to an old turls thread:


Geometry patters in Service Menu:

You can get to the test patterns by going to the DDP3021 menu, and choosing Test Pattern (DDP).
You can then right arrow through various test patterns.

...not to tempt you or anything CyberCT :P

thanks for the information, i've already seen reflections in the top black bar (is this covered under warranty or through BB since i just bought it last night?) so i just have to check for bowing and tilting (i know i have a slight bowing already, just wondering how bad)

The only thing i dont like about that TV stand is the wire management sucks. I like some of the other ones that the wires are covered in the back by part of the legs get unscrewed and you can tuck wires in the legs and then rescrew it.

Exmple something like this http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516buhehghL._SS400_.jpg

Looks like a good stand. I hear you on the wire management. I just ordered samsung's stand they made for their 72" televisions in preparation for the 67a750 coming in and the wiremanagement is pretty much the same as yours. I'm just going to get some black zipties and the cable tubling to hide it all and it will probably look fine in the end.

thanks for the information, i've already seen reflections in the top black bar (is this covered under warranty or through BB since i just bought it last night?) so i just have to check for bowing and tilting (i know i have a slight bowing already, just wondering how bad)
There's most likely nothing you can do about the black bar reflection, other than accept it, or if you can't do that get a different model TV, and accept whatever problems/limitations that set has.

I'm interested in the 67" and am still trying to decide how I want to purchase it (online, B&M, etc.). For those who will be dealing with Sears (or have bought HDTVs from them in the past), what exactly is their delivery policy? On the Sears website, it states that the delivery guys will not un-package the TV, but will place in the desired location. Huh? So they will set the TV, still in the box, on top of my stand and that's that, cya? Since I live alone I will need help first in moving my existing TV to my bedroom and then placing the new one on the stand. I can understand why Sears wouldn't want the delivery guys to be responsible for connecting peripherals, but I wouldn't want them to anyway. :eek:
Depending upon your delivery guy, they may be willing to help. The setup for the TV that you would need is probably less than 3 mins. so time shouldn't be an issue.

For 65" and above, this stand might be a good choice:

http://www.hometheaterstore.com/photos/DEPLOY9640-2.jpg

who makes it and how much

who makes it and how much

Went to the properties of the pic... it's from The Home Theatre Store.

http://www.hometheaterstore.com/BDI_Deploy_Max_Three_Shelf_TV_Stand_p/deploy9640.htm

And it's way too much money :eek:

uh.. i totally agree. thanks for the research.

obviously i'm looking for a stand for the 67 as well.

It's made by BDI and sells for around $800.00 (a bit pricey). It measures 71" wide, but there is also a 61" version. I'm waiting to see the Sammy HL72A650 and the new 73" Mits which I think this stand would be perfect for.
They also make a 61" wide version, but I believe it's in a different finish.

From a little searching seems CC has more of a pick of stands then BB does. Looks like i might get my stand from CC and TV from BB

I would recommend people check out the samsung TR72BX stand. It's made for the 72" DLP's by samsung but is only slightly wider than the 67". It can be had for around 350 and looks like the other samsung stand made for the smaller sets.

Hmmmmmm

Interesting Linky http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail~price~750~Redir~1~dpno~7398739.asp

Already found it for $110 cheaper than that listed on another site.

Does anyone know the major differences between the 61 inch a750 and HLT6187s? thanks.

That sure is interesting. I might just get that one then.

Hmmmmmm

Interesting Linky http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail~price~750~Redir~1~dpno~7398739.asp

Already found it for $110 cheaper than that listed on another site.

What is the other site you found it cheaper at

After reading their reviews, I would only use the site as a price match attempt.

Their sister site "onsale" has it $110 lower on the best price. The reviews at bizrate are much better for this site also.

Hmmmmmm

Interesting Linky http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail~price~750~Redir~1~dpno~7398739.asp

Already found it for $110 cheaper than that listed on another site.

Very interesting...although that Reseller Ratings site doesn't show them in a favorable light. Has anyone purchased from here?

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/PC_Mall

You don't say if its the Microsoft VGA cable. You shouldn't be having an issue with VGA vs component if your 360 had the update that came out months ago. You shouldn't have to change the reference level, either, maybe somebody else can confirm. Make sure the picture size is set to "Wide TV". Check your picture settings vs. Component. There are a lot of things to verify and you don't give us much to go on.

You aren't going to get 1080p from component, but on the HDDVD hooked through the 360 player, I don't get any 24p playback on 1080p content either. My choice to choose Film mode is greyed out and the info still says 60hz.

Can anybody verify that 360 with HDDVD should be doing 24p? I don't have anything doing 24p since I don't have a BluRay/PS3 so I'd like to see what the fuss is about.

I'm using King Kong BTW, which should be about as good of a 1080p source as there is.

1) The 360 does not output 24p in any situation no matter what the cable. Maybe someday there will be a firmware update to allow this for movies but since the 360 is a games machine first, don't hold your breath.
2) The OP was only interested in games on his 360 (right?) so 24p wouldn't make sense. You want 60hz for games (more frames per second = smoother motion), and 24p is only useful for movies since that is their native frame rate (usually).
3) The component cable can pass a 1080p signal for games on this set, but there have been screen blanking/tearing issues which may or may not have been fixed by the latest tv firmware (there seem to be conflicting reports).
4) Because of movie studio paranoia, the component output is only allowed a resolution up to 1080i for HD movies and 480p for DVDs. Games can be 1080p.
5) The VGA output is allowed to be 1080p for everything (games, HD movies, DVDs).
6) Assuming all your settings are the same and you are comparing how games look, VGA and component from the 360 should look equally good on this set.

BTW, the OP didn't say how the output didn't look as good. Was it too dark, washed out, blurry, etc.? It may just be a different screen format is being used since VGA output allows many different resolutions to accomodate people using computer monitors and not just HDTVs.

My personal picks for new HDTV 360 demo material:
HD-DVD: Zodiac, Planet Earth, Blade Runner, 2001, and Hot Fuzz.
DVD: Live-action in Tron (70mm FTW) and Star Wars: EpIII.
Games: Bioshock, Gears of War, and Eternal Sonata

Someone asked what stand i am gonna go with. After some research i think i might go with this one.

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/8193/8193554cv2a.jpg

Is that the $320 Init stand at BB?

Is that the $320 Init stand at BB?

Yes it is. I am up in the air on that one and another one that Bush makes

For 65" and above, this stand might be a good choice:

http://www.hometheaterstore.com/photos/DEPLOY9640-2.jpg


That is close to what I got from BB for $269.00.
http://files.huppnet.org/tv.jpg

Is that the $320 Init stand at BB?

Init, Very solid stand.
The one Bush makes is not as good in my opinion.
The 2 were at BB and I had the opportunity to compare them, side by side.

Something about the way in which the top glass shelf was not attached (sitting on suction cups)to the Bush model worried me that the shelf could slide away.
The Init model, the shelf was attached to the frame, with 2 screws through the back of the shelf.

1) 3) The component cable can pass a 1080p signal for games on this set, but there have been screen blanking/tearing issues which may or may not have been fixed by the latest tv firmware (there seem to be conflicting reports).


BTW, the OP didn't say how the output didn't look as good. Was it too dark, washed out, blurry, etc.?


I have the latest firmware 1004 and there is still tearing/blacking out when setting my 360 at 1080p over component. My picture over VGA is slightly blurry .

That is close to what I got from BB for $350.00.
http://files.huppnet.org/tv.jpg

Which one is that, that you got from BB for $350???

I just picked this TV up a little while ago. Some observations...

First, I got it for $1700 (not sure if that's non-kosher to talk about price?) with a free progressive DVD player. I called Best Buy and they matched the website and gave me the 10% off coupon from the address change package, and they gave me the free DVD player. The nice thing about the DVD player is it has a USB connector on the front and can play content from USB media (like flash drives or an external HDD connected through USB), so if you download stuff from the internet, you can play it back on your TV without the need for an HTPC.

On the TV - it is absolutely fantastic. The picture is breathtaking. I have had it on for the past hour and I am trying to see some sort of reflection on the bars but I just don't see it. I am about 10' from the front of the TV - don't see any reflection, don't see any red V, nothing.

As for bowing, well the channel guide in DirecTV is nice and straight - at least there is no distortion visible to the eye from the very very top to the very very bottom. So if it's off, it can't be bowed by more than a very tiny amount across the entire screen width. I may have some slight hourglass effect in 4:3 where there are bars at the side... but I have to say with total honesty, I am sitting here looking at various channels *trying* to see if I can see any hourglass effect. Sometimes it looks like maybe I do a bit, other times I definitely don't. So if it's there, it's so slight to be virtually unnoticeable. It's very very slight, if it's there at all.

I am heading out to see if I can find a DVI->HDMI cable locally, so I can hook up my HTPC easily (if not I'll use the VGA slot). I also am going to get a couple of decent HDMI cables.

Overall I am very happy with this TV. The picture is just unbelievably crisp and tack-sharp. It turns on and displays a full-brightness picture in seconds. It is light, it does not generate tons of heat (compared to my last RPTV, which to me is a big deal in a small-ish bedroom). It is MORE than bright enough for use in a living room with plenty of ambient light.

I really feel that I got great value for my money with this TV and I am very happy with it. I havne't seen any problems really and believe me, I have been looking for them.

Circuit City has this Ameriwood Hollow Core TV Stand Model #: AWD1120096 for 116.99 (online) and it's the one I got for my 61" A750.

Bill

Circuit City has this Ameriwood Hollow Core TV Stand Model #: AWD1120096 for 116.99 (online) and it's the one I got for my 61" A750.

Bill


You are talking about this one right

http://www.circuitcity.com/IMAGE/product/enlarged600/awd/PC.AWD.1120096.CN.JPG

I went with this stand from BB. DOn't forget to go to www.dealcatcher.com and print out a coupon where you can get 10 or 12% off the price.

I am just waiting for the TV to get here!!

http://images.bestbuy.com:80/BestBuy_US/images/products/7705/7705628_ra.jpg

Looks like that is the same one EHUPP01 went with but i could be wrong as EHUPP01 is a lil dark and hard to see all the details.

Is that the $320 Init stand at BB?

If you know anyone that works at BB have them pick up this stand for you since Init is the BB brand and you will get quite a considerable discount on it. I had a friend get this one for me back in January and got it for $70

I have the latest firmware 1004 and there is still tearing/blacking out when setting my 360 at 1080p over component.

I don't see any tearing that isn't in the game because the developers did not enable Vsync, but my screen does occasionally black out. Since they are partners for the 360 they should get this fixed. I don't want to have to buy a new 360 to get HDMI because of this. I'm using VGA for my HTPC, otherwise I might have looked into that. Have people called Samsung about this? Do they monitor these forums?

Open shelving on the stands is gonna end up looking so cluttered. But apparently lots of people love the look of open shelving while there's no doors to open or drawers to have to pull out.

And the lower expense to buy!

I just picked this TV up a little while ago. Some observations...

First, I got it for $1700 (not sure if that's non-kosher to talk about price?) with a free progressive DVD player. I called Best Buy and they matched the website and gave me the 10% off coupon from the address change package, and they gave me the free DVD player. The nice thing about the DVD player is it has a USB connector on the front and can play content from USB media (like flash drives or an external HDD connected through USB), so if you download stuff from the internet, you can play it back on your TV without the need for an HTPC.

On the TV - it is absolutely fantastic. The picture is breathtaking. I have had it on for the past hour and I am trying to see some sort of reflection on the bars but I just don't see it. I am about 10' from the front of the TV - don't see any reflection, don't see any red V, nothing.

As for bowing, well the channel guide in DirecTV is nice and straight - at least there is no distortion visible to the eye from the very very top to the very very bottom. So if it's off, it can't be bowed by more than a very tiny amount across the entire screen width. I may have some slight hourglass effect in 4:3 where there are bars at the side... but I have to say with total honesty, I am sitting here looking at various channels *trying* to see if I can see any hourglass effect. Sometimes it looks like maybe I do a bit, other times I definitely don't. So if it's there, it's so slight to be virtually unnoticeable. It's very very slight, if it's there at all.

I am heading out to see if I can find a DVI->HDMI cable locally, so I can hook up my HTPC easily (if not I'll use the VGA slot). I also am going to get a couple of decent HDMI cables.

Overall I am very happy with this TV. The picture is just unbelievably crisp and tack-sharp. It turns on and displays a full-brightness picture in seconds. It is light, it does not generate tons of heat (compared to my last RPTV, which to me is a big deal in a small-ish bedroom). It is MORE than bright enough for use in a living room with plenty of ambient light.

I really feel that I got great value for my money with this TV and I am very happy with it. I havne't seen any problems really and believe me, I have been looking for them.

did u watch a movie wit high contrast with the black bars? Trust me if you have been looking for it, you will definitely see it!

Seems to be much talk about TV stands today.
I like my Bush VS05850-03 Sonoma Collection. My
HL61A750 sits very nice on top of it!!!
I do not know how to post a picture of it, but here is a link: http://www.racksandstands.com/Bush-Furniture-VS05850-03-BU2089.html
Please click on it... Only $300. Looks much more expensive.

You are talking about this one right

http://www.circuitcity.com/IMAGE/product/enlarged600/awd/PC.AWD.1120096.CN.JPG

Yes, that is the one!

Bill

Open shelving on the stands is gonna end up looking so cluttered. But apparently lots of people love the look of open shelving while there's no doors to open or drawers to have to pull out.

Only problem with open stands is that the equipment becomes a dust magnet. The upside is that it's much easier to gain access to the wiring.

Seems to be much talk about TV stands today.
I like my Bush VS05850-03 Sonoma Collection. My
HL61A750 sits very nice on top of it!!!


Just wondering if you happen to have a PS3 or Xbox360 in your stand? The only concern on using a stand like that would be air flow for your system since they tend to heat up quick and probably shouldn't be enclosed like that?

So I'm still in the process of finding a replacement for my 4 yo JVC LCoS. Stopped by HHgregg today after work. The store was basically empty, and the video dept manager was happy to stand around and BS with me. I was looking at the 61A750 and, playing dumb, asked him if it had "that new DLP chip" from TI that is supposed to enhance contrast. He said that only Mitsubishi's 2008 models have the new chip at this point, and that it was a Mits exclusive initial release. He said all 2008 Samsung DLP models released so far have the same chip as last year's models.

I asked if the A750 was the top of the Samsung DLP line. He said that it was, until the A850 is released late this summer. He said that the main difference with the A850 was that it will feature something like Mitsubishi's Dark Detailer. He said that while it isn't listed in their system yet, he knew it would be "several hundred dollars" more expensive than the A750 and not really worth the extra $$$, in his opinion. I asked if it had the new chip, and he said he thought the "dark detailer" was really just some kind of software difference and NOT the new TI chip.

Honestly, he wasn't all that interested in selling me a DLP and was pushing me hard toward a 58" Sammy plasma (for $1K more, of course). He said that if I absolutely had to have a DLP I should just wait for the Mitsubishi laser model this fall.

Anyhow, I guess I figured there would be an A850, just never had anyone talk to me about it before. For what it's worth....

Just wondering if you happen to have a PS3 or Xbox360 in your stand? The only concern on using a stand like that would be air flow for your system since they tend to heat up quick and probably shouldn't be enclosed like that?

No I do not have an PS3 or Xbox360 in my stand.
I have two DirecTV DVR's and an AV receiver with DVD player behind the glass doors. I have checked
the Temp. on my HD DVR many times and found it to be normal. If one of my boxes got hot I would leave the door open or take the door off

Will Samsung offer a 72" with LED ? I debating between the new Mits 73" 73735 model and the Sammy 67" A750. I like the benefits of LED but still remember the complaints from the HLT models. i.e. hot spots, poor contrast, poor viewing angles I sincerely hope they have fixed these issues. If the 67" LED will truly provide noticeably between color and picture then I suppose I could sacrifice the the extra 6 inches.

I just purchased at BB. Got them to match the "Big River" price. :D

Gonna pick it up tomorrow from one of their warehouses.

I have been following this thread since about page 20 when Samsung ECR told me they were going to replace my HLT-6176 with the new 61A750. (Let me say, thank goodness for the side access panels for cleaning. If the 76 had had this...I don't think I would ever had had problems.) Clearly I have a long story I was going to condense for here about how my HLT was also a replacement for a previous year's model (the 68 series I believe), but I will save that for now. Overall, I am pretty happy with the 750, though I can't get the overall picture quality as nice as the 76, mainly getting the black levels where I like them in conjuncture with the entire image. I just need to make more time and work on it.

All that aside...

On the 6176, with sound through the TV only, I noticed that I had to crank it up to nearly 100 to get ABC's "Lost" to sound loud enough. Well my first episode of "Lost" on the 750 was unbearably quiet at full volume.

So my question is this: is there a service menu setting where one can adjust the base volume of the set to be a little louder? I am not looking for high end receiver quality volume, but my God I want to be able to hear broadcast television.

Thanks!

How did you get Magnolia to match big river?? tell us more!!!

not enough bright objects in the upper portion...all of the 750A's have this reflection seems like a design flaw, that hopefully Samsung will identify and address an easy fix like last years halo reflection

Not only does white show through on the top black bar, but white tends to reflect on to black at any position on the screen.

I'm not even trying to look for it.
Bringing the Contrast down under 30 resoles the problem, but then the entire scene is too dark!

All the stand discussion is great. However, I'd love to see a report on the height of the various stands' top shelf to determine whether or not a center speaker will fit.

Which one is that, that you got from BB for $350???

Yes and I like it. It does not stair step up like the other one. The top is very secure IMO. It is the Bush VS74962. I checked again and I paid $269.00 for it with 10% off.

All the stand discussion is great. However, I'd love to see a report on the height of the various stands' top shelf to determine whether or not a center speaker will fit.

My center fits great. It was the deciding factor for me. My center is 7.5 inches tall. I dont like seeing all my components, so I will be doing something to cover the front soon.

http://files.huppnet.org/10684.jpg

Not only does white show through on the top black bar, but white tends to reflect on to black at any position on the screen.

I'm not even trying to look for it.
Bringing the Contrast down under 30 resoles the problem, but then the entire scene is too dark!


This is one of my concerns with the 67". For anyone picking up this set right away (Northeast), please post your results with some basic testing.

Will Samsung offer a 72" with LED ? I debating between the new Mits 73" 73735 model and the Sammy 67" A750. I like the benefits of LED but still remember the complaints from the HLT models. i.e. hot spots, poor contrast, poor viewing angles I sincerely hope they have fixed these issues. If the 67" LED will truly provide noticeably between color and picture then I suppose I could sacrifice the the extra 6 inches.
No. 72 with bulb. But if you're comparing to the Mits,then that's apples to apples. The Mits is Bulb, plus they only mention 120Hz on their 835 (way expensive) which makes me think the Sammie is a much better value at 72. Especially for 2499.

How did you get Magnolia to match big river?? tell us more!!!

I went in on Friday night to purchase the 61A750. I went straight to a salesperson, and told him I wanted it. First, I mentioned that it was on sale on the BB website. So he said they'd match that, no problem. Then I pull out my "Big River" printout of the current price, and asked him if he could match it. Initially, he said no. So I told him thanks for his help, and I would puchase it from Big River. So he told me to wait up, he'd go check with his manager.

Couple of minutes later, he comes back and says we're good to go go, he can match it. That brought it down to $1779+tax. Yeah, with tax, it came out to a little bit more than Big River. But for that extra, I can have my set right now. :D

I also got the $320 Init stand, but used a 12% off coupon for Reward Zone members. I'm setting it up now. I'll post pictures later when I get a chance. :D

I made my stand work for me now. Went to Wally world got a black full size sheet and a spring type curtain rod. I think it came out great! It did not hurt my center sound bad either.

Before:
http://files.huppnet.org/tv.jpg

After:
http://files.huppnet.org/10685.jpg

EHUPP01, what size TV is that anyway?

EHUPP01, what size TV is that anyway?

61 glorious inches:D

61A750

i have a quick question are these led based samsung tv just as bright as lcd. because when ever i see them setup in best buy the picture always looks real dark. im guessing its the way the have them setup. im personaly waiting to pick up the 67 inch when its released.

I made my stand work for me now. Went to Wally world got a black full size sheet and a spring type curtain rod. I think it came out great! It did not hurt my center sound bad either.

Before:
http://files.huppnet.org/tv.jpg

After:
http://files.huppnet.org/10685.jpg

Boy, you must like curtains!! What's behind the other one?

On the HL-61A750, how do you tell what firmware is installed?

I just wanted to check and possibly upgrade, if I have an older version, but I don't see any place that lists what firmware is installed as of right now?

Thanks!

Go to the Menu..Setup...SW Upgrade..while hovering on the SW Upgrade where it is bright blue hit the info button on the remote. The information appears at the bottom of the screen.

On the HL-61A750, how do you tell what firmware is installed?

I just wanted to check and possibly upgrade, if I have an older version, but I don't see any place that lists what firmware is installed as of right now?

Thanks!

Does anyone know if there is a way to check the amount of hours the TV has been running? Some sort of LED bulb life check function? My Mitsubishi TV has that option and I am wondering if my HL61A750 has the same ability.

Thank you.

HMM, EUPP01, I was thinking I needed this tv before I saw your pics and now I REALLY think i do. I have that same stand and it has worked great.

Since there has been so much discussion about stands, that stand has been awesome. for the poster who worried about it sliding on the suction cups, what situation would you really be moving the tv and the stand together? it is very solid. the one problem I had was when moving residences i tried to be very careful but still lost one of them. haven't found a replacement yet, but a little piece of cardboard worked fine for one area in the back not visible.

OH, one other issue on the stand. It did make a difference on what receiver I bought. the shelves could be a bit further apart. I had been set on getting the onkyo 805 but it wouldn't have really fit so I got the 705. so if you have one of those huge new recievers check the height first.

now i just need to go back through and decide if this tv is what I want for sure... anyone want to make a summary of the pros and cons for me :) Specifically, is all that pink V stuff and are the resetting issues all resolved?

Hi everyone I just picked up a 50A650 tonight.

I like the picture a lot but one thing has me thinking about returning it. There is a ton of light leakage out of the left side and back where the lamp compartment is. Its really distracting like there is a Pink Floyd concert going on to the left of my Television. It must be normal because otherwise everything seems to be working perfectly.

Has anyone else experienced this much light leakage?

Special ordered a HL56A650 on April 18 th (local Best Buy only carries the A750). Had it delivered on April 25. Unfortunately, that was a 2 days after I had flown down to Tx for a family emergency. The wife took delivery and had the guys put the box in the foyer, where it sat for two weeks until I returned. I then spent a couple of days just looking without any tinkering.

First impressions:

1. It is plenty bright!!

2. The picture is absolutely gorgeous. Excellent detail. Fantastic details in the blacks, except when I believe some automatic system of contrast and/or black level kicks in and crushes black in some scenes.

3. Obvious differences to the better when compared to the HL-R5678 that it replaced, particularly in regard to details and color rendition. Wife noted with in five minutes of viewing that this set had a much better picture than HL-R, which she thought had great PQ.

4. This set does a much better job displaying cable SD television channels than the HL-R. Even the Spike channel looks close to DT quality with this set. This set seems better with both deinterlacing and general noise reduction.

5. Initially there was bowing apparent if a black bar were displayed at the top. The measured difference between center of bar and left end was 1/16th in and difference between center and right edge was 1/8th in. After the wife and I experimented a bit with tensioning the frame (I had a hand on one corner and in the middle of the top and she pulled on the other top end), the bowing became negligible. We do not know how long this will last. However, I noticed before we adjusted the frame that the degree of bowing was non-existent when I forgot about the black bars and looked at the content.

6. We also have an annoying pin cushion effect that we could not “adjust.” Using a Level as a straight edge, we found that the left side of the frame is noticeably concave in the same direction as the pin cushion effect, i.e., in the plane of the screen. (This was measured before any frame “adjustments” were tried.). The pin cushion is worst on the right than on the left, which is not concave in the plane of the screen. On the right side, it is worst at the bottom than at the top. Regardless, the pin cushion effect is only apparent when black bars are displayed for 4:3 materials. It is not apparent with 6:9 materials that have black bars on the side. The bottom edge of the 4:3 black bar is almost 1/4 in to the right of the top edge of the black bar. We have a repair guy scheduled for next Wed, but since we know this can not be repaired, we expect to roll the dice and take our chances with an exchange.

7. Just for grins, I talked with Samsung support about the bowing and pin cushion. Reading from a document, she told me that Samsung considers bowing and pin cushion up to 1/2 in to be acceptable. I told her that no one would accept that much distortion. She agreed that the spec was stupid and agreed to send out a repair person.

8. Late Saturday, I did a series of measurements using the default settings in Dynamic, Standard and Movie modes. In regard to “video standards accuracy,” Movie mode is the most accurate (almost dead on except for grey scale tracking) right out of the box. Dynamic mode and Standard mode are equally bad in regard to color gamut (over saturated except for blue), color temperature (across the board too hot, 8000K to 10,000K), gray scale tracking (gamma 2 or less) and white balance. OOTB, contrast is also much to high across all modes, ranging from an eye-scorching 151 fLs for Dynamic to a still “nice sun tan” level of 83 fLs for Movie. (Some pro calibrators recommend about 35 fLs, which most folks find to be too dark on initial viewing.) I hope to have time over the next couple of days to try to calibrate the Standard mode to decent values using only the User Menus and then use the service menu if the User Menus can not give a decent calibration. For those interested in this stuff, I have attached three pdf’s with the data/plots. (Zoom up to 200% for better viewing.)

Except for the pin cushion (and, maybe even with the pin cushion) this display is a keeper. FWIW.

Special ordered a HL56A650 on April 18 th (local Best Buy only carries the A750). Had it delivered on April 25. Unfortunately, that was a 2 days after I had flown down to Tx for a family emergency. The wife took delivery and had the guys put the box in the foyer, where it sat for two weeks until I returned. I then spent a couple of days just looking without any tinkering.

First impressions:

1. It is plenty bright!!

2. The picture is absolutely gorgeous. Excellent detail. Fantastic details in the blacks, except when I believe some automatic system of contrast and/or black level kicks in and crushes black in some scenes.

3. Obvious differences to the better when compared to the HL-R5678 that it replaced, particularly in regard to details and color rendition. Wife noted with in five minutes of viewing that this set had a much better picture than HL-R, which she thought had great PQ.

4. This set does a much better job displaying cable SD television channels than the HL-R. Even the Spike channel looks close to DT quality with this set. This set seems better with both deinterlacing and general noise reduction.

5. Initially there was bowing apparent if a black bar were displayed at the top. The measured difference between center of bar and left end was 1/16th in and difference between center and right edge was 1/8th in. After the wife and I experimented a bit with tensioning the frame (I had a hand on one corner and in the middle of the top and she pulled on the other top end), the bowing became negligible. We do not know how long this will last. However, I noticed before we adjusted the frame that the degree of bowing was non-existent when I forgot about the black bars and looked at the content.

6. We also have an annoying pin cushion effect that we could not “adjust.” Using a Level as a straight edge, we found that the left side of the frame is noticeably concave in the same direction as the pin cushion effect, i.e., in the plane of the screen. (This was measured before any frame “adjustments” were tried.). The pin cushion is worst on the right than on the left, which is not concave in the plane of the screen. On the right side, it is worst at the bottom than at the top. Regardless, the pin cushion effect is only apparent when black bars are displayed for 4:3 materials. It is not apparent with 6:9 materials that have black bars on the side. The bottom edge of the 4:3 black bar is almost 1/4 in to the right of the top edge of the black bar. We have a repair guy scheduled for next Wed, but since we know this can not be repaired, we expect to roll the dice and take our chances with an exchange.

7. Just for grins, I talked with Samsung support about the bowing and pin cushion. Reading from a document, she told me that Samsung considers bowing and pin cushion up to 1/2 in to be acceptable. I told her that no one would accept that much distortion. She agreed that the spec was stupid and agreed to send out a repair person.

8. Late Saturday, I did a series of measurements using the default settings in Dynamic, Standard and Movie modes. In regard to “video standards accuracy,” Movie mode is the most accurate (almost dead on except for grey scale tracking) right out of the box. Dynamic mode and Standard mode are equally bad in regard to color gamut (over saturated except for blue), color temperature (across the board too hot, 8000K to 10,000K), gray scale tracking (gamma 2 or less) and white balance. OOTB, contrast is also much to high across all modes, ranging from an eye-scorching 151 fLs for Dynamic to a still “nice sun tan” level of 83 fLs for Movie. (Some pro calibrators recommend about 35 fLs, which most folks find to be too dark on initial viewing.) I hope to have time over the next couple of days to try to calibrate the Standard mode to decent values using only the User Menus and then use the service menu if the User Menus can not give a decent calibration. For those interested in this stuff, I have attached three pdf’s with the data/plots. (Zoom up to 200% for better viewing.)

Except for the pin cushion (and, maybe even with the pin cushion) this display is a keeper. FWIW.

I think you'll find the MOVIE mode will give you the closest to 2.2 and 6500. As you found the others are way off. Gray scale will still need adjusting as well as the color gamut. I ended up using LED CONTROL on medium to control the brightness and a GAMMA of +1 (user menu). Skin tone looks good and can see lapels on black suits. Viewing room with lots of windows and using a small daylight neon for a back light hung on a wire from a screw on the rear cover at night. Probably not the greatest back light but it works for me.

rahull... I agree that Movie mode would probably be a better starting point but it seems that Standard has more flexibility in regard to adjustments. I amd also thinking about adjusting the gamut for standard mode to Rec 601 (SD) and the gamut for Movie mode to Rec 709(HD).

BTW, what are the units on the Y-luminance values in your diagrams? I doubt that its measured in fLs. Greater than 200 seems extremely high for the 100% stimulus gray.

BTW, what are the units on the Y-luminance values in your diagrams? I doubt that its measured in fLs. Greater than 200 seems extremely high for the 100% stimulus gray.
Probably candelas per meter-squared (cd/m^2) -- the other common unit for 'Y'. According to this (http://unitconversion.org/unit_converter/luminance-ex.html) handy calculator, 1 fL = 3.43 cd/m^2. Either way, though, rahull's 219 cd/m^2 or 64 fL should be plenty bright for anyone.

rahull... I agree that Movie mode would probably be a better starting point but it seems that Standard has more flexibility in regard to adjustments. I amd also thinking about adjusting the gamut for standard mode to Rec 601 (SD) and the gamut for Movie mode to Rec 709(HD).

BTW, what are the units on the Y-luminance values in your diagrams? I doubt that its measured in fLs. Greater than 200 seems extremely high for the 100% stimulus gray.

Y is in NITS divide by 3.4 for FL. Also forgot I used WARM 2 and RGB setting in USER MENU. Calibrated to Rec 709 using Calman V3 and I1. I don't watch any analog OTA only HD in Los Angeles and Directv satellite. When calibrating you can't take readings in SERVICE MENU. You have to exit to USER MENU reset all your options take readings then go back to SERVICE MENU. Also in WB (white balance) menu I clicked up one and back one on Sub Contrast and got color shift. Don't know if this affected settings or not but made screen look closer to desired color.

When calibrating you can't take readings in SERVICE MENU. ... Yep, I reallize that is the case if I use Standard mode as my starting point. However, if I have to use the Service Menu, I will change my starting point to Dynamic mode (i.e., the default mode when User Menus reset) with all User parameters at default values. This way, I should be able to take measurements and make adjustments within the Service Menu without worrying about User Menu resets (at least, I hope so). (Seems wierd to me that the display resets to Dynamic mode, but there appears to be a place in the Service Menu where you can change some default values for the Standard mode.) Later...

Yes and I like it. It does not stair step up like the other one. The top is very secure IMO. It is the Bush VS74962. I checked again and I paid $269.00 for it with 10% off.

yep, it was on sale when i picked it up for 269 as well, plus the 10% off i coupon i used, nice stand for this tv

Yesterday I bought a HL61A750 from Best Buy. The box was opened but the salesperson told me that it was never used. He claimed that they opened the box, realized there was already one on the shelf, then closed the box back up. I told him I would never buy a TV that had been used. I purchased the TV as "new".

So today (after about 6 hours of viewing time at my house) I went into the Service Menu and see that the LED Life is at 44 Hours.

This means that the TV has been on for approximately 38 hours before I bought it.

My question is... when a HL61A750 is truely new, what would the LED Life be? Does it start at 0 hours for a new TV or is there a break in period from the factory?

If this TV is not new, then Best Buy lied to me and at the very least owes me a 10% discount.

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks.

Yep, I reallize that is the case if I use Standard mode as my starting point. However, if I have to use the Service Menu, I will change my starting point to Dynamic mode (i.e., the default mode when User Menus reset) with all User parameters at default values. This way, I should be able to take measurements and make adjustments within the Service Menu without worrying about User Menu resets (at least, I hope so). (Seems wierd to me that the display resets to Dynamic mode, but there appears to be a place in the Service Menu where you can change some default values for the Standard mode.) Later...

I think you'll find that settings in the Dynamic mode will not change settings in the other modes. Custom User Menu settings will also affect the readings and you'll be chasing your tail. In WB you select mode prior to changing values. Even the Service Manual (which I have) gives little or no information as to what does what and there are a lot of menus!!!

I just purchased and setup my 61 inch Samsung 61A750 LED DLP. I am curious about what settings work the best picture, I am still a bit confused on the blacks, gamma, whites and all of that stuff and how it fits together. Right now I have been playing around with the settings and I am pretty happy. I will say so far it is great and normal DVD's on a normal player look great so I can't imagine when I finally hook up my Blue Ray and my HD Direct TV today. Look for some insight. Thanks,

Yesterday I bought a HL61A750 from Best Buy. The box was opened but the salesperson told me that it was never used. He claimed that they opened the box, realized there was already one on the shelf, then closed the box back up. I told him I would never buy a TV that had been used. I purchased the TV as "new".

So today (after about 6 hours of viewing time at my house) I went into the Service Menu and see that the LED Life is at 44 Hours.

This means that the TV has been on for approximately 38 hours before I bought it.

My question is... when a HL61A750 is truely new, what would the LED Life be? Does it start at 0 hours for a new TV or is there a break in period from the factory?

If this TV is not new, then Best Buy lied to me and at the very least owes me a 10% discount.

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks.
Since it took me many hours before I found out how to get into the service menu, I can't say that it started with 0 but it was very close. I think it was sitting on about 9 hours and this seemed to be about the right amount of time. Therefore, I would expect it to be zero.

Does the service menu address volume? I would like to turn up the base volume (not volume of base but overall volume) of the set if possible. This set is quite a bit quieter than the HL-T6176. ABC may be a quieter station, but I had to crank the volume up to 100 to watch "Lost" and I still had difficulty, seated maybe 7 feet away.

Does the service menu address volume? I would like to turn up the base volume (not volume of base but overall volume) of the set if possible. This set is quite a bit quieter than the HL-T6176. ABC may be a quieter station, but I had to crank the volume up to 100 to watch "Lost" and I still had difficulty, seated maybe 7 feet away.

Not to sound insulting but there is either something wrong with your set, or something wrong with the source signal, or something wrong with your hearing.

I sit about 10 feet away and I listen to the TV usually on 15 to 20 volume and it's fine. I have an HTPC and with the source relatively low, it's quite loud around the 30 level.

When you get to the upper limit of the volume scale the speakers distort and sound terrible, so even if there was a way to turn up the base volume (I doubt there is) it's not going to help you.

If you are sure your hearing is OK then call Samsung and have the set looked at. My hearing is fine and like I said, 10 feet from the set with it on volume 20 with DirecTV and it's fine. 30 is frickin' *loud*. I can't even imagine 100.

I think you'll find that settings in the Dynamic mode will not change settings in the other modes. I hope so! There are some settings in the service menu that are global for the display and others that impact the default mode (or another mode) specifically. The User Menu parameters essentially exist on top of the values set in the service menu. The point of this exercise for me when using the service menu is to set one mode (e.g., dynamic) as accurately as possible using only the service menu - all User Menu items at default. Then, if I ever go into the service menu, on exit that one one mode will be ready to go. Then, if I want, I can use the User Menu to tweak the other modes for different purposes. This is the way I calibrated my old HL-R that this set replaced.
Custom User Menu settings will also affect the readings and you'll be chasing your tail. That's precisely why if forced to use the service menu for calibration, you do not want to use any of the User Menu settings, except for maybe minor tweaks after the instrumental part of the operation is completed.

Info on service menu functionality is always hard to find. A lot of what I learned about my HL-R was by brute force trial-and-error (with a lot of error :eek:).

Does the service menu address volume? First, I agree with corporate666. There is likely something wrong with your set (or you :)). I'd contact service before screwing around in the service menu to try to fix this problem.

The answer to your specific question is "yes," at least there are settings in my A650 that impact default sound levels. I have not looked at an A750 service menu, but I expect that a similar menu item exists.

I have been reading this thread for a few weeks, which helped me decide to purchase the HL61A750 and a PS3. I picked up both for just under $2,250 (including tax) from BB with 3 years no-interest. I already verified this set came with the 1004 firmware update already installed (on 4/4/08), but want to check for bowing, etc. How do you get into the Service Menu?

Does the service menu address volume? I would like to turn up the base volume (not volume of base but overall volume) of the set if possible. This set is quite a bit quieter than the HL-T6176. ABC may be a quieter station, but I had to crank the volume up to 100 to watch "Lost" and I still had difficulty, seated maybe 7 feet away.
Yes, as stated I sit about 10 feet away as well and keep the volume between 25-35, 40 at the most for some movies but even then it is very loud. I think you might have a sound issue with your TV.

i'm thinking of getting one of these 56" or the Sony KDS-55A3000. anyone who's looked at both, which one ya think has the best picture quality? pros, cons of either? thanks

I don't notice any bowing or geometry issues on my set, so I don't want to go looking for it. If it's there and I notice it, I'll always see it. haha

Not to sound insulting but there is either something wrong with your set, or something wrong with the source signal, or something wrong with your hearing.

I sit about 10 feet away and I listen to the TV usually on 15 to 20 volume and it's fine. I have an HTPC and with the source relatively low, it's quite loud around the 30 level.

When you get to the upper limit of the volume scale the speakers distort and sound terrible, so even if there was a way to turn up the base volume (I doubt there is) it's not going to help you.

If you are sure your hearing is OK then call Samsung and have the set looked at. My hearing is fine and like I said, 10 feet from the set with it on volume 20 with DirecTV and it's fine. 30 is frickin' *loud*. I can't even imagine 100.

Again, this is ONLY on ABC and usually only during "Lost". Older Samsung set was the same way. Volume on other chanels, HD or not, is almost kept MUCH lower. I have had about enough of calling Samsung service (been dealing with issues with them for coming up on three years). My older model was also quiet during this ONE timeslot. This one is worse.

I will call Samsung however, but can someone tell me how to get to the service menu please? I am sure it's somewhere in the previous 99 pages because I swear I've seen it, but if someone has the knowledge at their fingertips, I would appreciate it.

Oh and when it's at 100 during "Lost" (Comcast cable, DVR), it's nowhere near distortion levels. I had to watch "Lost" at 95 on my old samsung they just took away. And I don't watch the show alone either. I watched it with my fiance and my 10 year old son who were having the same problems I was. :-)

This is my third samsung DLP in as many years. HLR5668, HLT6176 and now the HL61A750. For those of you interested in keeping track with me, that makes TWO replacement sets directly from Samsung. The 6176 had a problem right out of the box and it took since last June to get them to replace it finally. Ugh. LOL

For what it's worth, i'm pretty sure the sound on most of these samsung sets is pretty crappy from what I've read. Either way, my understanding is to access the service menu do the following:

- Make sure the TV is off.
- On the TV remote press these buttons, one after the other:
- Mute, 1, 8, 2, Power

The set will come on in service mode. Exiting service mode just requires you to power off and turn it back on shortly thereafter.

I just made this post in the wrong thread, this is the right thread as i want to buy the 2998 LED DLP. Can anyone answer this sound question please:

Sorry if this has been in this thread, but its a big thread and i cant read it all and are not sure what key words to sort on.

I have a 6-yr old receiver that i have my surround sound hooked up to. I want to buy the 61" version of this tv set, and a good blu-ray player. I want to run an HDMI cable directly from the blu-ray player to the tv. Will the tv or the blu-ray player also be capable of sending 5.1 surround sound (including DTS) to my receiver thru an analog or optical cable? I would love to keep my old receiver as it works great, if the tv or blu-ray player will send that sound to it in addition to the HDMI player-to-tv being hooked up, I am in. Anybody able to tell me? Thanks in advance!
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Sounds like A850 will be the one with DC4 to me.. if we are to believe the speculations..
thanks for update.


So I'm still in the process of finding a replacement for my 4 yo JVC LCoS. Stopped by HHgregg today after work. The store was basically empty, and the video dept manager was happy to stand around and BS with me. I was looking at the 61A750 and, playing dumb, asked him if it had "that new DLP chip" from TI that is supposed to enhance contrast. He said that only Mitsubishi's 2008 models have the new chip at this point, and that it was a Mits exclusive initial release. He said all 2008 Samsung DLP models released so far have the same chip as last year's models.

I asked if the A750 was the top of the Samsung DLP line. He said that it was, until the A850 is released late this summer. He said that the main difference with the A850 was that it will feature something like Mitsubishi's Dark Detailer. He said that while it isn't listed in their system yet, he knew it would be "several hundred dollars" more expensive than the A750 and not really worth the extra $$$, in his opinion. I asked if it had the new chip, and he said he thought the "dark detailer" was really just some kind of software difference and NOT the new TI chip.

Honestly, he wasn't all that interested in selling me a DLP and was pushing me hard toward a 58" Sammy plasma (for $1K more, of course). He said that if I absolutely had to have a DLP I should just wait for the Mitsubishi laser model this fall.

Anyhow, I guess I figured there would be an A850, just never had anyone talk to me about it before. For what it's worth....

rumors, rumors, and more rumors.......

Guess I'll have to hold on for a while longer, eh?... ;)

This is my 1st DLP purchase and so far I am happy. We were looking to upgrade from our 3yr old 40" LCD and stay under $1500.
I thought this was the perfect choice after reviewing tvs and reading this forums over the past couple of weeks. The only complaint I have so far is I wished the optical output sent 5.1 to my receiver from the HDMI inputs.
If anyone has any video setting suggestions please share them with me. My HD Dvd looks awesome, but I think my Cable HD could look better.

Will the tv or the blu-ray player also be capable of sending 5.1 surround sound (including DTS) to my receiver thru an analog or optical cable? I would love to keep my old receiver as it works great, if the tv or blu-ray player will send that sound to it in addition to the HDMI player-to-tv being hooked up, I am in. Anybody able to tell me? Thanks in advance!

I have my DVR and Blu-ray player hooked up to my TV via HDMI and their audio is still going to my receiver via optical (toslink). I did have to go into my DVR's settings and change the audio to digital optical. As soon as I plugged in the HDMI cable it changed my audio setting to HDMI.

I just made this post in the wrong thread, this is the right thread as i want to buy the 2998 LED DLP. Can anyone answer this sound question please:

Sorry if this has been in this thread, but its a big thread and i cant read it all and are not sure what key words to sort on.

I have a 6-yr old receiver that i have my surround sound hooked up to. I want to buy the 61" version of this tv set, and a good blu-ray player. I want to run an HDMI cable directly from the blu-ray player to the tv. Will the tv or the blu-ray player also be capable of sending 5.1 surround sound (including DTS) to my receiver thru an analog or optical cable? I would love to keep my old receiver as it works great, if the tv or blu-ray player will send that sound to it in addition to the HDMI player-to-tv being hooked up, I am in. Anybody able to tell me? Thanks in advance!
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The TV will send 5.1 to the receiver from the TV's tuner. It will only send 2.0 or 2.1 from the TV to the receiver from audio received over HDMI. If you connect the Blu-ray player via HDMI, you will need to connect the Blu-ray optical to the receiver in order to get 5.1 sound.

Unless I'm just looking at it wrong, it appears the 67" is now in stock @ Crutchfield and Sears.

The TV will send 5.1 to the receiver from the TV's tuner. It will only send 2.0 or 2.1 from the TV to the receiver from audio received over HDMI. If you connect the Blu-ray player via HDMI, you will need to connect the Blu-ray optical to the receiver in order to get 5.1 sound.

Thanks. Am I correct when I say that in addition to sending out the HDMI signal, all Blu-Rays players also simaltaneously send out another audio signal, usually optical so that you can hook up HDMI to a tv and the other audio signal directly to your receiver? I believe thats what you are telling me in your answer. Do they send out an analog audio too, or just optical? I ask because even though my Sony receiver will accept optical, it says that analog sound is preferred. Sorry for my ignorance.

I have the latest firmware 1004 and there is still tearing/blacking out when setting my 360 at 1080p over component. My picture over VGA is slightly blurry .

maybe i'll pull out my 360 component cables and see what happens to me

My advice, don't start it unless you are willing to really do a good job, take the first several posts as place holders for FAQ, more information, etc. This is quite a commitment. It makes a huge difference to have the first few posts contain good information, and have it maintained. It will be a much more successful thread. As a good example, check out the Onkyo 705 thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=935808


I'm willing to do it, but will need time to work on it, gather the information, and write the posts.

then i guess i won't start it, since i'm not sure what to do. i'll just wait and see if someone else with more knowledgeable input gets it going.

Thanks. Am I correct when I say that in addition to sending out the HDMI signal, all Blu-Rays players also simaltaneously send out another audio signal, usually optical so that you can hook up HDMI to a tv and the other audio signal directly to your receiver? I believe thats what you are telling me in your answer. Do they send out an analog audio too, or just optical? I ask because even though my Sony receiver will accept optical, it says that analog sound is preferred. Sorry for my ignorance.

I don't know for sure that Blu-ray players send both signals simultaneously, but I assume they do. That is the way my HD DVD player works.

Here is a link to the BD forum that compares some BD players. It will show whether or not they have analog outputs, and other capabilities.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=980672

rahull... I agree that Movie mode would probably be a better starting point but it seems that Standard has more flexibility in regard to adjustments. I amd also thinking about adjusting the gamut for standard mode to Rec 601 (SD) and the gamut for Movie mode to Rec 709(HD).

BTW, what are the units on the Y-luminance values in your diagrams? I doubt that its measured in fLs. Greater than 200 seems extremely high for the 100% stimulus gray.

doesn't movie mode offer u the warm color settings, and standard only allows normal and cool?

It's made by BDI and sells for around $800.00 (a bit pricey). It measures 71" wide, but there is also a 61" version. I'm waiting to see the Sammy HL72A650 and the new 73" Mits which I think this stand would be perfect for.
They also make a 61" wide version, but I believe it's in a different finish.

I'm using the 61" cherry version of this BDI stand (#9629) for my 61" 750. Bought it at Magnolia with 10% off. Looks fine and the TV fits very well with around 3" of space on each side of the TV. Takes only about 10 minutes to assemble, and my Onkyo 605 receiver and Pioneer CD jukebox just barely fit on the lower shelf.

Yeah the 67's in stock at crutchfield. They're preparing my order. Woot.

I noticed as well that the 67' is up on crutchfield. I was hoping with the release of this tv they lower the price of the 61'.

Again, this is ONLY on ABC and usually only during "Lost". Older Samsung set was the same way. Volume on other chanels, HD or not, is almost kept MUCH lower. I have had about enough of calling Samsung service (been dealing with issues with them for coming up on three years). My older model was also quiet during this ONE timeslot. This one is worse.

I will call Samsung however, but can someone tell me how to get to the service menu please? I am sure it's somewhere in the previous 99 pages because I swear I've seen it, but if someone has the knowledge at their fingertips, I would appreciate it.

Oh and when it's at 100 during "Lost" (Comcast cable, DVR), it's nowhere near distortion levels. I had to watch "Lost" at 95 on my old samsung they just took away. And I don't watch the show alone either. I watched it with my fiance and my 10 year old son who were having the same problems I was. :-)

This is my third samsung DLP in as many years. HLR5668, HLT6176 and now the HL61A750. For those of you interested in keeping track with me, that makes TWO replacement sets directly from Samsung. The 6176 had a problem right out of the box and it took since last June to get them to replace it finally. Ugh. LOL

If it's only on one program why would you even consider going into the service menu to try to correct it? I'd call Comcast.:confused:

Nice to see the 67" TV showing up in the pipeline. Waiting for any and all hands on reviews of these. Hoping there aren't any greater issues with bowing or geometry with the larger screens as I hope to get one in next couple of weeks if the reviews are pretty good.
Cheers!

Well i picked up my 61A750 this weekend at BB. God i love this thing and to be honest i have not even hooked up any HD cables yet. I was at my parents house and they dont have any HD cables but i will find out tonight. But so far i love it. BB did not have the free DVD player in stock so they let me take the entire $180 off a Samsung Blu Ray player, which i was shocked since most people said they only took off $100. So today i am going back to BB and returning it and getting a PS3 or putting it towards a better audio system now. So for $2500 i got the TV, Blu Ray and the TV stand i wanted which orig was $350.

Does anyone have a list of custom color settings for the WD-65736?
Thanks

THe WD 65736 belongs in the mitsubishi 2008 735/736 thread!

Looking at the 61A750 in CC .... which "mode" should I set it at? I was not impressed by the black level or the white vs. the 65" (and cheaper) WD 65735. That was set to Movie mode.

I would have thought the LED would have been at least more "white". It had that Plasma "bright grey" going on. When the screen went black - it was NOT dead black like the Mits.

I just can't believe the LED's are a step backward... either that or the DarkChip4 in teh 65375 really makes a difference with a good source.

Also I was surprised the cablinet depth with the same for the 65" Mits vs the LED - maybe samsung strengthened the cabinets??

I really was hoping the 67" would be perfect..... I jsut don't want another bulb set (I have the original HP 65" and have had nothing but problems)

Does anyone know what "film mode" does? I mean on the older DLP's when you selected Movie mode it automatically enabled the 3:2 pulldown. What exactly does Movie mode do if you have a manual film mode?

i just thought of something, the BB website says that the remote included with the HL61A750 is a universal remote. Am i missing something? Mine is not universal. At least the manual says nothing about it.

Just called Crutchfield and talked to a nice gentlement named Paul. He confirmed that the HL67A750 TVs were freshly delivered to their warehouse in Virginia over the weekend. They are listed as in stock and ready to be delivered. The free white glove in-home delivery even applies to an apartment in Manhattan!

I have been waiting for this unit to be released to replace my current HLP5674W. Going for a bigger screen this time. Now I just have to wait a little bit longer for the first few reviews from you kind folks in this thread:)

Also, just want to re-iterate a bug that has been posted before, and is still an issue with firmware 1004.

When you change picture modes, like from Standard to Movie, or vice versa, the Black adjust gets reset to high, even though when you look at it in Detailed Settings is says Off! If you actually move it from Off to Low, then back to Off, you will immediately see it. So, everyone beware when adjusting your settings, or when switching picture modes, go in and toggle the Black Adjust (regardless of if it says it is off), from off to low and then back to off. I also swear it did the same thing to me once with Dynamic Contrast. I had it on off, moved it to low, and then back to off, and the picture was different then how it appeared when it was first off. Haven't really figured that one out either, but you may want to check that setting too, just to be sure.

I'd recommend we all call or email Samsung to file a complaint so this gets fixed in a future firmware update.

I would not be surprised if this bug shows itself when changing inputs, as well. Has Samsung even acknowledged it's existence?

John

Everyday I look at this thread and see new problems popping up with these tv's. Makes me think twice about getting a samsung. Anyone regret buying one of these models?

Everyday I look at this thread and see new problems popping up with these tv's. Makes me think twice about getting a samsung. Anyone regret buying one of these models?

Samsung will work with you to get any problems fixed, positive customer experience for me.
I had a HLT6189 TV(bad LED engine) exchanged for the 61A750.

The 61A750 TV is a pleasure to have.
After 100 hours of viewing, I will have a professional calibration done.

Everyday I look at this thread and see new problems popping up with these tv's. Makes me think twice about getting a samsung. Anyone regret buying one of these models?

No regrets from me. Bought the 61" 750 at the beginning of this month and it has been absolutely spectacular. I read every post in this thread before making my buy decision, so I've been conscious of potential problem areas, but I have not had any issues with my 750. Thus far (11 days), this set is a keeper; however, I'm ready to return it to BB if it doesn't meet my demanding levels of performance and reliability.

My previous HDTVs were 50" plasmas, and this 61" DLP has nearly 50% more screen area, costs far less, has outstanding PQ, and advanced features not found in most other sets today. Great value for the money.

Everyday I look at this thread and see new problems popping up with these tv's. Makes me think twice about getting a samsung. Anyone regret buying one of these models?
Nope!

This will be my first HDTV purchase for my wife and I. We have a HDTV now but it is an old Sony 36' Trinatron. It is taking me over 4 to 5 years to finally get my wife to give me the okay to get one. So I am making sure I don't want to make a wrong one and have my wife regret letting me get one if you know what I mean. From what I saw at BB n CC I like the tv. I know it will be a HUGE difference from the 36 tv we have now. It's just that I was seeing a lot of posts about problems with these models I was just kinda of seconding guessing. Glad to hear that you all enjoyed your purchase.

doesn't movie mode offer u the warm color settings, and standard only allows normal and cool?Yes. But, I think Movie mode engages some parameters that can not be changed via neither the service nor user menus. At least, that is the way it was on the HL-Rs. In Standard mode, I should be able to change any of the picture tone values (Normal, Cool1 or Cool2) to Warm1 or Warm2 by changing two values (the xy-points for the white values) in the Service Menu. I'm basing all of this on my experience with the HL-R. However, since there are both similarities and differences between the two service menus, I could be wrong. I'll just have to play with it and see what happens...

Yes. But, I think Movie mode engages some parameters that can not be changed via neither the service nor user menus. At least, that is the way it was on the HL-Rs. In Standard mode, I should be able to change any of the picture tone values (Normal, Cool1 or Cool2) to Warm1 or Warm2 by changing two values (the xy-points for the white values) in the Service Menu. I'm basing all of this on my experience with the HL-R. However, since there are both similarities and differences between the two service menus, I could be wrong. I'll just have to play with it and see what happens...

thats very interesting, i didn't even consider that with the service menu. right now, i've just used movie, and then calibrated off that for all inputs.

i really think we need to get some sort of calibration thread going for the 7 series in the calibration forum, but i'm the right person to do this and don't want to waste anyone's time. i'm more than happy to help test things though and try and figure things out with others

This will be my first HDTV purchase for my wife and I. We have a HDTV now but it is an old Sony 36' Trinatron. It is taking me over 4 to 5 years to finally get my wife to give me the okay to get one. So I am making sure I don't want to make a wrong one and have my wife regret letting me get one if you know what I mean. From what I saw at BB n CC I like the tv. I know it will be a HUGE difference from the 36 tv we have now. It's just that I was seeing a lot of posts about problems with these models I was just kinda of seconding guessing. Glad to hear that you all enjoyed your purchase.

Well, a few of these problems are inherent in the technology to some extent. Geometry issues could be better, but you have to remember that these TVs are made out of wood in Mexico and shipped in non-climate controlled trucks. They may also sit in a damp warehouse for a week or may get torqued a bit more than, say, an LCD because of the sheer size of the unit. Sure, Sony's RPTVs may have been better about geometry on the whole, but they're not perfect....I have poked my head into their owner's threads and seen some complaints about geometry issues there, as well. Mine is near-perfect, though, so I guess I can't speak for the others.

As far as the restarting problem goes, I had it once, updated the firmware, and haven't seen it since. I don't see the "upper black bar reflection" problem on my set, nor do I see issues with pink shadows. However, I don't go searching out problems like that just to be able to complain about them, so maybe my TV is susceptible to them. I have watched the first Pirates movie (which is 2.35:1), and don't recall seeing the reflection issue. And how often am I going to see a shot of the moon on a completely black background?

IMO, viewing angles are not as bad as what some people have made them out to be. My wife's chair sits off at 45 degrees or more from center, and the picture looks fine to me (and she hasn't complained about it, either). Our stand is a little taller than I would like, so when I'm laying down on the couch, the upper left corner is a bit darker. It's not overwhelming, though.

That's not to say there aren't a couple of things that I would prefer better support for. The PIP is analog cable/antenna only. I'd also like to have seen two separate ATSC inputs, so I could have cable hooked to one and an antenna hooked to the other (our cable system offers Columbus HD channels, but I can pick up Huntington OTA). 5.1 channel HDMI->optical audio passthrough would be nice, but I don't even have a surround sound system hooked up right now.

I guess you have to remember that the ones with the problems will be the most vocal on any forum.

Everyday I look at this thread and see new problems popping up with these tv's. Makes me think twice about getting a samsung. Anyone regret buying one of these models?

some of the major problems seemed to be fixed with the firmware update, as far as i can tell the only outstanding issues are with the casing being warped which causes image problems, or the dark specs from being stored improperly on the wrong end. but also, u will see that samsung is very good at getting issues resolved with their customers.

now, i will say, i read this entire thread before going to get my tv, i knew there were some issues, but nothing that couldn't be fixed with a tech or replacement. for the price/size/picture quality, i don't see anything better.

Sorry if it's been covered already, but the BRIGHTNESS option doesn't play as large of a role as the "LED CONTROL" option does when it comes to overall brightness. Check it out next time.

EDIT: And to all the guys playing with this TV in the store, make sure to go into the picture settings and bump up LED CONTROL to at least High before playing with any other settings!! Doing this, along with playing with the HDMI Black Level settings & with some other settings, you can get some serious BLACKS and one amazing freakin picture (this coming from a plasma guy)

I've thrown in the towel and decided I have absolutely no way to gauge black level on the 61A750 in advance of purchasing it. I've seen it at Fry's, HHgregg, BB, CC on multiple occasions and showing a variety of programming material and under a wide range of showroom lighting circumstances. In fact, at Fry's it is positioned right next to last year's LED set, and on one visit it seemed *slightly* darker than the predecessor, yet the next wk it appeared to give plasma grade blacks. I've played with LED control ("auto, high, low" etc.), brightness, dynamic contrast, etc. I've read reviews of the previous generation LED model, and where Hometheater Mag ranked it among the worst HDTV's for black level, CNET said that it produced a "deep shade" of black.

Can there be that much variation, unit to unit?

I know - this is hard. I am really debating between the 3 gorgeous sets.
1. Mits 65" 2008 or 73"
2. Samsung 67A750

I plan to sit (with recliner) between 6 adn 8 feet away to get the THX like experience - this works even will with my first gen HP 65" DLP ((being sold, long story)

So for SURE in EVERY STORE the black and WHITE on the Mits looks amazing - even in the blow out cc lights. However, some of the LED looks great, other times the 61A750 looks like crapola..

The 65" Mits is $1750 from a very reputable local retailor if you "ask them" that also ships oline (I live in chicago land so you cna guess) and the 67" LED is $500 more.... unknown on the 73".

Anyone with suggestions for using it for XBOX360/Vista MCE/Computer Monitor/HDTV and sitting quite CLOSE which would be better - LED or bulb?

Well, I got my tv stand today. It's the samsung stand made for their 72" sets but it is just a hair wider than the 67" set so I'll be getting that built tonight. I'll take some pics if anyone cares to see it although it will probably be nicer to see pics once the set is on it :) Gotta get it ready and hope that the set comes in this week. Anyone know how long it typically takes to get hdtv's from crutchfield?

Separate note, does the 67" have any advantage with its larger size in addressing geometry issues or would a larger set be more prominent to have bowing versus smaller sets?

Everyday I look at this thread and see new problems popping up with these tv's. Makes me think twice about getting a samsung. Anyone regret buying one of these models?

Hell ya i did thats why i returned it they all bow just some are worse then others and samsung cannot fix bowing.Only tilt can be adjusted.

Well, I got my tv stand today. It's the samsung stand made for their 72" sets but it is just a hair wider than the 67" set so I'll be getting that built tonight. I'll take some pics if anyone cares to see it although it will probably be nicer to see pics once the set is on it :) Gotta get it ready and hope that the set comes in this week. Anyone know how long it typically takes to get hdtv's from crutchfield?

Separate note, does the 67" have any advantage with its larger size in addressing geometry issues or would a larger set be more prominent to have bowing versus smaller sets?

The larger the screen then the more that slim flimsey cabinet would be bowing at least thats what would make sense unless of course they revamp/redesigned the 67 to be sturdy.Like im sure the 50 bowing is much less then the 61.Less screen to go from left to right gives less for middle to bow.

Does the HL50A650 have a firmware update out? What is the latest firmware on the 650 series? Would it differ depending on screen size?

I know - this is hard. I am really debating between the 3 gorgeous sets.
1. Mits 65" 2008 or 73"
2. Samsung 67A750

I plan to sit (with recliner) between 6 adn 8 feet away to get the THX like experience - this works even will with my first gen HP 65" DLP ((being sold, long story)

So for SURE in EVERY STORE the black and WHITE on the Mits looks amazing - even in the blow out cc lights. However, some of the LED looks great, other times the 61A750 looks like crapola..

The 65" Mits is $1750 from a very reputable local retailor if you "ask them" that also ships oline (I live in chicago land so you cna guess) and the 67" LED is $500 more.... unknown on the 73".

Anyone with suggestions for using it for XBOX360/Vista MCE/Computer Monitor/HDTV and sitting quite CLOSE which would be better - LED or bulb?

I checked out the Mitsu at CC over the weekend, which has a nice viewing room for these sets. I must say, it presents VERY well in the store. Very good picture and color. Their default settings look MUCH better than the Samsung in "store" mode, (Dynamic, everything cranked up). However, I know from having my 61A750 at home that it can produce an awesome picture. I also felt the case was much sturdier on the Mitsu. Since the case isn't supporting any weight, or the TV being regularly lifted, not too big of a deal, except that perhaps it means the mitsu will be less susceptible to geometry problems. However, I have no geometry problems with my Samsung, so....

Now, the 4" bigger Mitsu is also available at an awesome price, about the same as the 61" LED. I really did consider exchanging my set, but I ended up keeping the Samsung, and here is why:

- I liked the fact that the Samsung has LED. This gives me a quieter set, which is huge for me. I REALLY hated the fan and colorwheel noise on my old set. Since you are sitting close, that might be very important for you to consider. Also, the LED has lower power usage, (it's nice to be green), almost instant on and brightness, and long life. I feel it will provide a more consistent picture over time.
- The Samsung has much more picture adjustment options. (which complication could be a negative for some)
- The Samsung has 120Hz processing, so can do judder free 24fps film source display.
- I may never use the 3D feature, but if it ever becomes popular it will be wicked cool.
- The picture on both seemed quite close to me. One might be somewhat better than the other, but they are close.
- I already had it and it wasn't worth the pain to exchange.

I know what you mean by the Sammy looking good sometimes, and bad others. But, have no fear, it does look great in your home.

Anyone have any info for when available in Canada ? I emailed Samsung and all I got was 'probably this summer' and 'Purchasing in USA we will not warranty it here'

i've been waiting SOOOO long

aside: it saddens me to go into most stores now and there aren't even any tv's over 50 inches..

The HL61A750 uses LED technology and does not have a color wheel...

So then why am I seeing the dreaded "rainbow effect" when I view it?

Does anyone else see it?

The HL61A750 uses LED technology and does not have a color wheel...

So then why am I seeing the dreaded "rainbow effect" when I view it?

Does anyone else see it?

LED does not guarantee the lack of the rainbow effect, it just minimizes it further to the majority of users. Some people are still susceptible unfortunately.

i could see rainbows with my my 3 year old 61 inch bulb dlp but have never seen a one with my 61 inchl a750 led dlp!

Anyone have any info for when available in Canada ? I emailed Samsung and all I got was 'probably this summer' and 'Purchasing in USA we will not warranty it here'

i've been waiting SOOOO long

aside: it saddens me to go into most stores now and there aren't even any tv's over 50 inches..
The Samsung Canada order sheet at Direct Buy listed May availability for the 67". I've ordered and have an estimated ship delivery date of June 21st, guess we'll see when it actually shows up

Thank you tomanik.. that's encouraging ! Correct me if I'm wrong, but is DirectBuy a place where you need a membership ? If so can you enlighten me on the committment with getting a membership ? ie. is it feasible to join just for this purchase ?

Now I'm excited..

what exactly is the 3D feature these sets have? do ya need glasses.

Thank you tomanik.. that's encouraging ! Correct me if I'm wrong, but is DirectBuy a place where you need a membership ? If so can you enlighten me on the commitment with getting a membership ? ie. is it feasible to join just for this purchase ?

Now I'm excited..

Well, my DirectBuy membership was north of $4,000, so, for just this tv, I'd say no, but for all the money I saved buying wood for the floors in my new house, the membership paid for itself many times over just on that purchase. Probably saved about $10,000 on that alone.

Definitely need to look at this membership as a longer term/multiple-buy thing.

DirectBuy=ripoff

Samsung will work with you to get any problems fixed, positive customer experience for me.
I had a HLT6189 TV(bad LED engine) exchanged for the 61A750.

The 61A750 TV is a pleasure to have.
After 100 hours of viewing, I will have a professional calibration done.

same here and i love my 61a750!!

what's the 3D feature? is this something that can be used now or only in the future?

and does the HL56 have LED or is that just the bigger ones? thanks

I know price is taboo, but I've been seeing it talked about in this thread already, so forgive me for keeping it going...but where are you guys finding it for so cheap? I went to BB, CC, Sears...it's all the same price, more than I've been seeing you guys mention by a few hundred. Amazon is the only place close to the numbers I've been seeing, but their white glove delivery service only delivers mon-fri 8am-5pm, the exact times I'm at work and unavailable.

Did I just miss a sale or something, or did the price really just go up within the last few days?

I was planning on getting the Sony KDS-55A3000, but after watching a 55inch at the distance I'll be viewing it at (8 - 12ft), it felt too small...and the 60inch is completely unavailable in my area. This model looks to be the next best, considering it's LED, 3D ready (I hope I'll actually be able to use it) and I've heard it has kick ass PQ (the display models I messed with were nice, but not as "wow" as a couple of the other models...but I know thats display settings, and the poor quality video loop they had playing). If I can find it + warrenty for a good price soon, and someplace that delivers when I'm home, I think I'm going to be all over this. :D

EDIT: How does SD video look on this set? All the demo displays I've seen have HD video playing, I can't really tell how SD stuff will look...and I'll probably be watching a bit of that.

what exactly is the 3D feature these sets have? do ya need glasses.

what's the 3D feature? is this something that can be used now or only in the future?

and does the HL56 have LED or is that just the bigger ones? thanks

Alright already :p:

http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d_dlp_hdtv.aspx

And your other question is answered in the first post of the thread--LED only at 61" and 67". If you want smaller, get last years models.

I know price is taboo, but I've been seeing it talked about in this thread already, so forgive me for keeping it going...but where are you guys finding it for so cheap? I went to BB, CC, Sears...it's all the same price, more than I've been seeing you guys mention by a few hundred. Amazon is the only place close to the numbers I've been seeing, but their white glove delivery service only delivers mon-fri 8am-5pm, the exact times I'm at work and unavailable.

Did I just miss a sale or something, or did the price really just go up within the last few days?

I was planning on getting the Sony KDS-55A3000, but after watching a 55inch at the distance I'll be viewing it at (8 - 12ft), it felt too small...and the 60inch is completely unavailable in my area. This model looks to be the next best, considering it's LED, 3D ready (I hope I'll actually be able to use it) and I've heard it has kick ass PQ (the display models I messed with were nice, but not as "wow" as a couple of the other models...but I know thats display settings, and the poor quality video loop they had playing). If I can find it + warrenty for a good price soon, and someplace that delivers when I'm home, I think I'm going to be all over this. :D

EDIT: How does SD video look on this set? All the demo displays I've seen have HD video playing, I can't really tell how SD stuff will look...and I'll probably be watching a bit of that.

Its up to you but the kdsxxa3000 is a great tv.It sells now for $1000.00 and up above retail lately on ebay.I got a mint like brandnew 60 in CC for only 1450 and saw one sold for almost 3k on ebay.So if you can grab a like new display model at CC or BB get it.The 60 was only $1,445.00 for me at CC.Im not trying to bash the samsung its just my opinon picture wise but the samsung bowing was very annoying for me.

Everyday I look at this thread and see new problems popping up with these tv's. Makes me think twice about getting a samsung. Anyone regret buying one of these models?

I have had 61" 750 for a month or so and am in love with it. The picture is twice as detailed and more than three times as bright as the Mitsubishi DLP it replaced. In fact, the picture is so bright, I had to dial it down several notches, even in my bright family room where it sets. All these messages about it not being as bright as XXXX is a much of crap.

I am slowly rewatching all my Blu-Ray DVDs. The Spiderman trilogy looks so good I feel like I am actually watching the real thing. Yes, the TV did reset it self once and I will eventually do a firmware update, but it can wait.

My favorite feature is the ability to reset the picture size on the fly when going from HD to SD content. Very nice.

Eventually I will invest in a professional calibration, but the picture is great even without it. I give this TV: :):):):):)

Well, I got my tv stand today. It's the samsung stand made for their 72" sets but it is just a hair wider than the 67" set so I'll be getting that built tonight. I'll take some pics if anyone cares to see it although it will probably be nicer to see pics once the set is on it :) Gotta get it ready and hope that the set comes in this week. Anyone know how long it typically takes to get hdtv's from crutchfield?

Separate note, does the 67" have any advantage with its larger size in addressing geometry issues or would a larger set be more prominent to have bowing versus smaller sets?

I'm interested in a similar setup to what you have... my goal is to have the 67" and that same samsung stand.. so I'm def. interested in any pics you might take.
My wife is concerned that the 61" will be better suited for us, and the 67" is too big... but I don't think so. What is your viewing distance going to be, approx.?

Thanks for all your posts everyone. Made me feel better about my choice. I am gonna grab the HL61A750.

Anyone have this TV hooked up to thier PC? I am looking at weather or not I should go to DVI to HDMI or DVI to VGA with the tv. Also I am confused on how the hell am I am gonna get the sound to my reciever I have a pretty old one. I will be updating my sound system later this year but as for now I will stick with what I have now. What I was gonna do was go 3.5mm to RCA jacks to my reciever. I was looking at monoprice for my cables.

Would these be okay if I use the 3.55 to RCA.

Will use this cable to split from my sound card.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021804&p_id=666&seq=1&format=2

I have to use this to go from the connector above to the reciever.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021803&p_id=2866&seq=1&format=2

Question for A750 owners: When you have LED control set to "auto" is the TV monitoring ambient lighting, like some current Sharp and LG LCD's, or is it riding the incoming video signal to rapidly adjust brightness, like the dynamic iris function in Sony, JVC, etc., projector TV's?

I downloaded the user guide, but it does not describe how the function works.