2008 Samsung DLP's Discussion (HLxxA650/A750) [Text View] - Page 13

NDRugby

05-13-08, 05:25 PM

I am currently trying to decide between the 67A750 and the mits 65735. I see you mention DarkChip4 in the mits, which Mits set is the DarkChip4 in? I see no mention of it on any of their sets and didn't think this was out yet.

"The UHP-lamp-based DLP line will include three series this year including the 735, 736 and 835 series. All offer 1080p HDTV resolution, Texas Instruments’ new Dark Chip 4 digital micromirror device, an improved five-color wheel, thinner frames, increased brightness, HDMI-CEC control and 3-D-ready capability. All DLP models will also include the company’s six-color processor to enhance color saturation."

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6548345.html

I am currently deciding between the 73s from Mits and the 72A650. Problem is, it seems the Mits does not have 120Hz except in the 835 series, which is about $4600. The 72A650 can be had for about $2500. Insane difference. I wonder which will be more important/useful - DC4 or 120Hz. I'm not about to spend over 4G when I can get in under 3. So that leaves the choice of DC4 or 120Hz. Anyone have an opinion on that?

Additionally, I have not seen anyone on the Mits owner thread mention any geometry issues, but it's early.

Decisions Decisions.

I'd love to see a 73735, 73835 and 72A650 all next to each other while adjusting them. That would be the perfect world, but finding these huge format TVs all in one store is near impossible. Granted some are not out yet, but even after they do come out, this feels difficult to do given what I see in stores now when I stop by.

StevenZ

05-13-08, 05:52 PM

If the TV is HDMI 1.3a Then it does support Lip Sync
False. If Samsung elected to implement Lip Sync, then the TV supports it. HDMI 1.3 includes Lip Sync as an optional feature to be implemented at the manufacturer's discretion.

Nothing I've read suggests Lip Sync has been implemented in the 750 models.

donb1948

05-13-08, 05:58 PM

In followup to StevenZ, check out this post on the UK AVForum which clarifies a number of misconceptions about what's automatically available with HDMI 1.3a: HDMI 1.3a (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533629)

kiko1

05-13-08, 05:59 PM

has samsung fixed the issues with this tv 61A750. if not what are the most common issues or was it the first released models of the 61A750 that had these problems.

Sgooter

05-13-08, 06:18 PM

So....

A lot of the problems could be due to termites? :rolleyes:

So, what add-on service should I get first: ISF calibration or termite/critter control? Better yet, anyone know of an ISF-certified tech who's also certified in pest control?:D

Turbolader

05-13-08, 06:49 PM

I've thrown in the towel and decided I have absolutely no way to gauge black level on the 61A750 in advance of purchasing it. I've seen it at Fry's, HHgregg, BB, CC on multiple occasions and showing a variety of programming material and under a wide range of showroom lighting circumstances. In fact, at Fry's it is positioned right next to last year's LED set, and on one visit it seemed *slightly* darker than the predecessor, yet the next wk it appeared to give plasma grade blacks. I've played with LED control ("auto, high, low" etc.), brightness, dynamic contrast, etc. I've read reviews of the previous generation LED model, and where Hometheater Mag ranked it among the worst HDTV's for black level, CNET said that it produced a "deep shade" of black.

Can there be that much variation, unit to unit?

Now that I think about it, there is another possibility that could explain wide variation in black levels I've seen. Perhaps some A750's do have DC4, and some have DC3, based on some stock pile of inventory Samsung is burning through (and assuming DC4 is a direct drop-in replacement for DC3, requiring no FW change at all). That could be why there were early reports from TI that *all* 2008 Samsung would have DC4, and why Samsung has been tight lipped about it since.

I've seen the TV in the same darkened TV department lighting at 2 diff BB's, running the exact same feed and tweaked the settings to be the same, and in one store the blacks were on par with a nearby 08 Mits. In the other, not even close.

Honestly, not even sure that you could notice the difference in contrast between DC3 and DC4. Just a thought.

jjf12cu

05-13-08, 07:40 PM

Well, it took me a little more than a week, but I've now read this entire thread. :eek:

I bought the 61A750 a little more than a week ago at CC. Prices have already dropped, but I think I'll wait till memorial day as I suspect we'll see some significant sales as the big electronics shops compete for stimulus checks. Does anyone know - if I were to go into CC and get, say $100 back today based on their current price, and they dropped it another $100 tomorrow, could I go back in and get the new price again, or is it a 1-time deal?

MY EXPERIENCE / THOUGHTS / OBSERVATIONS / REVIEW

- I'm upgrading from a 2003 Samsung HLN437W, which I always thought was a great TV, but I think needs a replacement color wheel. Rather than bother, I took the opportunity to update. (Interesting note - as I was setting up, I was cleaning out some stuff and found the receipt from my 43" HLN five years ago - with shipping it was over $3,100. I remember at the time Samsung had 61" DLPs that were close to $10,000! Its amazing what can happen in five years)

- When picking up from CC, we laid the box flat on its back on the way home and had no apparent problems.

- I suppose I am fortunate because my set does not seem to suffer from any geometry issues, there is no noticable bowing, red V, or hourglass. On a test pattern I did notice a slight tilt (like milimeters), I believe, but its too minimial to notice on normal material and I can't make out the tilt when watching TV or anything else.

- The most noticable thing for me is the SSE, which is significant, especially in flat, light areas. However, the effect diminishes very quickly by adding distance. I found that at 7 feet its very significant, but by 9 feet its not bothersome, and at 10 or 11 feet (when I'm walking behind the couch - I'm sitting at about 8.5-9 feet) it completely goes away.

- Like others, I thing the picture is wonderful and its been pretty easy to find a nice balance between realistic colors and tones, brightness, and good shadow and white detail (detail w/o being washed out). In general, my preferences lean toward Movie Mode and Gamma +3, then fine-tuning everything else from there. I tend to keep LED at Medium or Low, because like others, this TV is bright enough to hurt my eyes, and I think there's more detail (and plenty of brightness) in the lower LED settings.

- PQ-wise, I'm very happy with HD content, it has a realism and detail to it that my HLN did not achieve. Blu ray looks just awsome, as does video gaming through the PS3 (its great to be able to just immerse myself in Grand Theft Auto IV b/c of the enormous screen size). SD content looks worse, in general, than my 43" HLN, but I think that's just b/c its blown up bigger. And its totally tolerable, I can just see more flaws, but hey, them's the ropes. I mostly watch HD anyway, at least 70-80%. And Top Chef will be in HD soon, so.. :)

- Although I bought the set just a week ago, it was still on first firmware v. 1001. I ran it for about 3 days before I updated to v. 1004, but in that time I never experienced a shut-off or cycle (and haven't since).

- I see rainbows! :D Its true. I didn't for a few days, but when playing a blu-ray in the PS3 the other night, I had it paused, I think, and there was a white pause sign (then play sign) on a black background. As I twitched or tracked my eye over the white on black, from left to right, I saw a small, quick, flash of rainbow. I didn't know if I was particularly sensitive to rainbows before, but I guess this means I am. On my HLN I saw them all the time (and they never bother me, its just a quick flash - kinda cool even). It tends to happen when I track my eye from one side to the other very quickly, or get a glimpse of the TV in my periphial vision. On the HLN, it happened on all type of content. On the A750 it happens much less frequently, and really only where there's a stark light-on-dark contrast, and I move my eyes quickly. The rainbows are also different. On the HLN/color wheel, they were more chunky, bigger, longer, regantular shaped. The LED rainbows are very small, compact, square shape, and seem to last shorter (although both are only fractions of a second). The best analogy I can use to compare them is that the HLN/color wheel rainbows are like the flash from candlelight through a crystal chandelier while the LED is like the flashes off a disco ball. Neither bothers me.

I digress. In sum, I'm a big fan of the TV. I feel fortunate to have apparently gotten one without any significant issues, although I suspect like others have mentioned, this board overrepresents problematic instances. I would purchase the TV again, I think its a great price for a great technology and screen size. For those on the fence, I would encourage you to purchase and be confident that there are models without significant issues, and that regardless of what you see in the store, you should be able to get a real nice picture in your home by tweaking the dozen-or-so inputs from the TV menu (my HLN really needed tweaking the service menu to look good).

bsoko2

05-13-08, 07:45 PM

So, what add-on service should I get first: ISF calibration or termite/critter control? Better yet, anyone know of an ISF-certified tech who's also certified in pest control?:D

I was informed by my local calibration specialist at Desco Audio here in Olympia that you can't do a ISF calibration (gray scale) on the new LED Sammies and that the best that he could do was simply to adjust the color controls in the menu.

jkraebel

05-13-08, 08:33 PM

"The UHP-lamp-based DLP line will include three series this year including the 735, 736 and 835 series. All offer 1080p HDTV resolution, Texas Instruments’ new Dark Chip 4 digital micromirror device, an improved five-color wheel, thinner frames, increased brightness, HDMI-CEC control and 3-D-ready capability. All DLP models will also include the company’s six-color processor to enhance color saturation."

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6548345.html

I am currently deciding between the 73s from Mits and the 72A650. Problem is, it seems the Mits does not have 120Hz except in the 835 series, which is about $4600. The 72A650 can be had for about $2500. Insane difference. I wonder which will be more important/useful - DC4 or 120Hz. I'm not about to spend over 4G when I can get in under 3. So that leaves the choice of DC4 or 120Hz. Anyone have an opinion on that?

Additionally, I have not seen anyone on the Mits owner thread mention any geometry issues, but it's early.

Decisions Decisions.

I'd love to see a 73735, 73835 and 72A650 all next to each other while adjusting them. That would be the perfect world, but finding these huge format TVs all in one store is near impossible. Granted some are not out yet, but even after they do come out, this feels difficult to do given what I see in stores now when I stop by.

Thanks for the link although I wonder how accurate this article is since the Mits actually has a 6 Color wheel (Not 5). As i said before i could not find any mention of the DC4 on Mits site or any product spec page. I would think something like this would be touted. I also recall reading in this thread that the new sammy DLPs don't have the 120Hz either. I spoke with a crutchfield rep and they are not showing it as 120Hz and they are usually pretty good.

rahull

05-13-08, 08:39 PM

I was informed by my local calibration specialist at Desco Audio here in Olympia that you can't do a ISF calibration (gray scale) on the new LED Sammies and that the best that he could do was simply to adjust the color controls in the menu.

That is not true, the WB (white balance) will adjust the gray scale and the Desaturation the color gamut both are in the service menu. I've done both, if you look a few pages back you'll find charts showing the results.

nineatesix

05-13-08, 08:47 PM

wopino

05-13-08, 09:05 PM

Now that I think about it, there is another possibility that could explain wide variation in black levels I've seen. Perhaps some A750's do have DC4, and some have DC3, based on some stock pile of inventory Samsung is burning through (and assuming DC4 is a direct drop-in replacement for DC3, requiring no FW change at all). That could be why there were early reports from TI that *all* 2008 Samsung would have DC4, and why Samsung has been tight lipped about it since.

I've seen the TV in the same darkened TV department lighting at 2 diff BB's, running the exact same feed and tweaked the settings to be the same, and in one store the blacks were on par with a nearby 08 Mits. In the other, not even close.

Honestly, not even sure that you could notice the difference in contrast between DC3 and DC4. Just a thought.

I would have to agree with this statement because I just got my replacement set last tuesday and on the same movie setting as on my old HLT 5687S it replaced, the blacks are WAY blacker than before. I never use DNIe so that is always off and never use any black adjustment or dynamic contrast, the blacks are just completely more black on this set. I was even watching tv last night with all the lights out and the LED output was on "low" and when the screen would go blank it would be black, no noticeable hot spot at all. On my old HLT5687S when the screen would go blank with the lights out the tv would light up the room pretty significantly. I don't know if my set has DC4 or not but i know that the blacks on this set are noticeably more black and inkier than my HLT set was with the same setting values plugged in.

jjf12cu

05-13-08, 10:32 PM

Need audio help with my 67A750. My receiver is not hdmi1.3, so I have hdmi connected from the receiver to HDMI3/DVI on the tv (as recommended on pg 12 of the manual). Audio is rca from the receiver to the tv HDMI3/DVI L & R. I get sound for only about 1/2 a second after changing sources or turning on the tv. Then nothing. I've tried re-labeling the input but it hasn't helped.

I don't know what's causing the issue or how to fix it, but can you just run your hdmi devices directly to the tv (there are 3 hdmi inputs) and use their digital (optical or coaxle) into your receiver for sound processing? Just make sure to turn off the TV's speaker (which you can do in the user menu) otherwise the hdmi will also run the sound to that and you'll get a creepy echo.

moonhawk

05-14-08, 12:04 AM

Huh? No, I wasn't implying the possibility that it has anything to do with termites. Wood is a porous material. Porous materials can easily take on water, even from the air in humid areas. Changes in humidity can cause wood to warp. Who knows what kind of wood they're using in their cases? I think it is a pretty obvious assumption that two root causes of most geometry issues are the shape of the case and the stresses the case puts on the screen. Perhaps other manufacturers use a harder plywood/particle board or sturdier screen.

Well, I was joking, because I really had no idea there was any wood at all in these tv's--I think they're all plastic with a smattering of metal--I thought your post was an obvious misprint, and I was having a little fun.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. :)

PS I am a woodworker, and I am aware of wood's tendencies...

nineatesix

05-14-08, 12:33 AM

I don't know what's causing the issue or how to fix it, but can you just run your hdmi devices directly to the tv (there are 3 hdmi inputs) and use their digital (optical or coaxle) into your receiver for sound processing?
Thanks. I wound up hooking my PS3 directly to the tv and everything else component out from the receiver instead of fighting with the hdmi.

cstrasz

05-14-08, 01:46 AM

Thanks. I wound up hooking my PS3 directly to the tv and everything else component out from the receiver instead of fighting with the hdmi.

nineatesix - you got the 67"er? pics pics pics! :) I think you're the first one up on here with one. Mine doesn't come in until Monday.

Gonesilent

05-14-08, 04:54 AM

Just wanted to chime in on the price talk. Do you think the HL61A750 will get any lower? I've been watching the price here http://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B001415FIG

The 67" does not seem worth the extra cash? Do we know if the 61" is brighter?

Sgooter

05-14-08, 07:59 AM

...I also recall reading in this thread that the new sammy DLPs don't have the 120Hz either. I spoke with a crutchfield rep and they are not showing it as 120Hz and they are usually pretty good.
According to Samsung's brochure (http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/26/hl61a750a1fxza/hl61a750_spec.pdf) on the 61A750, it's 120Hz.

warpgee

05-14-08, 08:04 AM

Zyeox

05-14-08, 08:17 AM

Is it possible that Samsung has been refining their manufacturing processes? Maybe the A650's and A750's that are on the market today are of better quality that the ones put out in the first week or so?

Let sure hope so. I don't see why they can't fix these issues and release the fixes with the new sets coming out. Let me just put it this way if they don't fix them I really think it may hurt them in the long run. Either way from what other users are saying they sure seem to have less issues than they did when they first came out.

NDRugby

05-14-08, 08:18 AM

Thanks for the link although I wonder how accurate this article is since the Mits actually has a 6 Color wheel (Not 5). As i said before i could not find any mention of the DC4 on Mits site or any product spec page. I would think something like this would be touted. I also recall reading in this thread that the new sammy DLPs don't have the 120Hz either. I spoke with a crutchfield rep and they are not showing it as 120Hz and they are usually pretty good.

I'm pretty sure the new Sammies have 120Hz. I have a 50A650 and their documentation lists a Cinema Smooth 120Hz Light Engine.

As for the DC4 issue, I remember reading in this thread many pages back that TI for some reason has policies that prevent manufacturers from marketing the chip or somethign like that. It seemed odd to me, but that's what the post said. Take it FWIW. I think I've seen some projectors that market the DC4.

VinnieVol

05-14-08, 09:58 AM

TV stand question... my wife saw a tv stand at a local furniture store that she really likes. The dimensions seem to be a good fit for either the 61" or the 67" (I really want the 67"). The stand's measurements are 65"w x 25"h x 20.5"d... so basically it's just as wide as the Samsung stand for the 72", it's deeper by 3 inches and it's higher by 6 inches.

But the height concerns me a bit... most stands I've seen for big tv's like this are around 17" - 19". Do you all think 25" is too high? Prolly a dumb question but I figured the best place to ask is in the midst of experts.

Obviously I'll be investing too much in this thing and don't want to worry about it toppling over.. but 5 or 6 inches doesn't sound like a big deal. Anyone hear have a similar setup?

mike_pro

05-14-08, 10:09 AM

I keep looking at the LED sets (vs the Mits DarkChip4 at BB, CC etc). No matter how much I play with the settings on the Sammy (which I really want due to LED) I can't get the black as black and the white as white. FOr example, in the "BB" promo they keep looping they have a Black screen fade to a blue aqua swirl and then a yellow and white BB logo. The Sammy looks "really dark gray" and "really light gray" but not "white" like on the Mits. The sammy LED reminds me more of the white on plasma and blacks (or lack there of) on LCD.

I really want to believe this is just setup/lighting etc - I was really hoping the 67" would be perfect

I don't understand some of the people who say they can't get black blacks. You must still have some settings wrong, like maybe HDMI black level, or color gamut. Have no fear, these sets have a very good black levels. They can do blacks almost as dark as my soul. :p

mike_pro

05-14-08, 10:11 AM

Thanks for the link although I wonder how accurate this article is since the Mits actually has a 6 Color wheel (Not 5). As i said before i could not find any mention of the DC4 on Mits site or any product spec page. I would think something like this would be touted. I also recall reading in this thread that the new sammy DLPs don't have the 120Hz either. I spoke with a crutchfield rep and they are not showing it as 120Hz and they are usually pretty good.

It has 6 color processing, but a 5 segment color wheel. And, the Samsung does have 120hz video processing, as has been stated many, many, many, many times in this thread. (Also, BTW, 120Hz video processing does NOT equal the motion enhancement that some of the newer 120Hz LCD's also have).

mike_pro

05-14-08, 10:13 AM

Do you all think 25" is too high? Prolly a dumb question but I figured the best place to ask is in the midst of experts.

Obviously I'll be investing too much in this thing and don't want to worry about it toppling over.. but 5 or 6 inches doesn't sound like a big deal. Anyone hear have a similar setup?

Yes, I think it's too high. Toppling over is not the issue, it's just that the ideal viewing height would put your eyeballs on the level of the middle of the screen. At 25", seems like you would be looking up at the screen. Maybe not a big deal, but not ideal.

pyrodex

05-14-08, 10:13 AM

Ok, so I looked up the manual and it confirmed that it does not relay a 5.1 signal.

My question is for those that have multiple gaming systems hooked up.

If I purchased a receiver with 3 HDMI ins and 1 HDMI out, is the ideal setup to run everything into the receiver and have the HDMI out run into the TV, or to still run them independently into the TV and run optical audio into the receiver?

If you get a new receiver I am sure most new ones suppoed the Dolby-HD/DTS-MA which if I am correct is only supported over HDMI due to the bandwidth it supports. You will need a 1.3 receiver to do this of course but I don't know of any new ones released that don't have 1.3 yet. Opitcal/Coax just doesn't have the bandwidth to support the new ones. Your better off running HDMI from each device into the new receiver then going hdmi to your TV just for video. If you need more HDMI ports I would recommend monoprice's 4x1 1.3 (newest one) model. This will pass all audio formats no problems and will give you more HDMI ports.

Jamers

05-14-08, 11:06 AM

I have to say this Silk Screen Effect (SSE) is pretty annoying on my 2 day old HL50A650. I've tried adjusting the settings. I never had this problem on my HLP4674W. I don't recalll seeing many complaints about this in previous years either. Is this a relatively new issue with Sammy changing the screen design? Would I have any luck calling Samsung and complaining? If the HL67A750 has this same problem then that will be enough to make me take a serious look at the Mits 73", even if it doesn't have LED. I haven't ready any complaints in their thread.

jaseman

05-14-08, 11:50 AM

I remember at the time Samsung had 61" DLPs that were close to $10,000! Its amazing what can happen in five years)

:eek: WHAT?????

I think your memory is going bad!
I bought my HLN617W over four years ago and paid the whopping price of a little over 4g's with an extended warranty. Sure the prices have come down but I think 10g's was what a plasma cost back then... not a DLP!

jhferry

05-14-08, 12:21 PM

So I am having a continuing problem with Samsung support. I had a tech out who told me my HL61A650 was physically warped. Including the foot of the TV. So Samsung tells my tech they want him to go out and take pictures. I talked to him yesterday and he said he was trying to get in touch with a regional supervisor to talk too since pics would be hard to ship what he is saying.

I mean cmon Samsung, you know there are issues with the last 2 generation of DLP's and If the Tech is telling you he has seen the TV is physically damaged then why are you going to dispute him and piss off the customer by making him wait.

Why even bother with techs if you arent going to believe them?

jjf12cu

05-14-08, 01:55 PM

:eek: WHAT?????

I think your memory is going bad!
I bought my HLN617W over four years ago and paid the whopping price of a little over 4g's with an extended warranty. Sure the prices have come down but I think 10g's was what a plasma cost back then... not a DLP!

Maybe, but when I bought my 43" HLN a year earlier, I remember DLP was a relatively brand new technology, and 61" screens were almost unheard of. I doubt very much that I bought a 43" HLN for $3,200 but the 61", with extended warranty, cost only $800 more. Also, I bought from a dealer on AVS who was offering the best price I could find after a long search - in most cases, the 43" HLN was selling for even more! Now, maybe prices came down a lot in between the year that I purchased and the year that you did, but I'm positive 61" DLPs in early 2003 were out-of-this-world expensive. You may be right that I'm remembering $10k for a big plasma, but I'd still say 61" HLNs were 6, 7, 8k at least, at that time. I guess that's the price you pay for early adoption.

sfaprilbob

05-14-08, 02:06 PM

For those that are interested in the 67a750,Abt's has them in now and are shipping mine today.
Meagan at Abt's gave me a very good price with free shipping $2250.Not sure if I should mention price.
Looking forward to receiving it next week.

Broncogeek

05-14-08, 02:12 PM

Have I mentioned how much I love my 750???????????????????

I was so worried after hearing 100 pages of problems, and about 2 months of SOLID research, I pulled the trigger and certainly got more than I could have ever expected with this set.(knock on wood, crossing fingers)

I would again like to thank all of yu's who care so much about this place, it is the greatest place to research these kind of things.

cstrasz

05-14-08, 02:19 PM

Those of you with your 67's, post some pics! :) Curious to see how they fare to the 61's with geometry issues and other reported problems.

JOE.G

05-14-08, 02:29 PM

How does the tthe 650 and the 750 compare to my current 6176S? it all aspects, is it a good trade? thanks

P.S I think my 6176S has a great picture.

Mookeylama

05-14-08, 03:34 PM

Alright already :p:

http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d_dlp_hdtv.aspx

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thanks but i'd already seen that. guess what i meant ask is, is the stuff in that link the extent right now for 3D usage? battery powered glasses and a PC disc? is there any real plans for to implement 3D in the future or is it (for the most part) a gimmick?

jaseman

05-14-08, 03:42 PM

Heck, bluray is just starting to catch on... i think it will be a loooong time before we see any real movies in 3D.. Just a gimmick IMO.

theranman

05-14-08, 03:54 PM

Just saw Big River has the 61A750 for sale for $1674 delivered (sold by Big River). Do their prices keep fluctuating all the time like this?

Zyeox

05-14-08, 04:05 PM

From what I have read on here not a lot of people are high on Big River. I guess more negative comments compared to positive comments.

theranman

05-14-08, 04:08 PM

I was under the impression that folks were fine with Big River, just not so much so with the other retailers on their site.

mcnabney

05-14-08, 04:44 PM

Just saw Big River has the 61A750 for sale for $1674 delivered (sold by Big River). Do their prices keep fluctuating all the time like this?

Yes they do. And for almost all of their products. They will also pricematch after the sale, so for a big purchase check it daily and be ready to call for some cash-back.

And the $1675 price, delivered, was too much for me to pass up. I am sitting in a hotel room in Des Moines thinking about where I am going to put the silly thing when it arrives in a couple days.

turls

05-14-08, 05:03 PM

I think its time for an owner thread, sorry but this is starting to rub me the wrong way. The same questions are getting asked every 2 or 3 pages.

As for upgrading the AVR: good Lord, I just got this Yamaha RX-V2600 a year ago. It just never ends. LOL

Well, actually if you bought a receiver a year ago, you should have gone in with eyes wide open you were missing HDMI switching. Of course, its only been in the last year or so that the price on HDMI switching on receivers has left the early-adopter rip-off stage. . . I've got a complicated setup, and I get by just fine with a newer Pioneer receiver without HDMI switching. I use an external digital audio switcher, but if I had a less complicated setup, I could get by without that.

Wood is a porous material.

What on earth makes you think there is an ounce of wood in these TVs?

Good luck all the 750 i saw and had bow and almost all had tilt off.And if your use to the bulb sets the led will or at least for me even after tweaks etc look dark and not as good as bulbs.

Any Samsung DLP I've ever seen is a crap shoot on geometry issues. I'm not sure where all this type of speculation 650 vs. 750, this year vs. last year on geometry is coming from. . .

Now that I think about it, there is another possibility that could explain wide variation in black levels I've seen. Perhaps some A750's do have DC4, and some have DC3, based on some stock pile of inventory Samsung is burning through (and assuming DC4 is a direct drop-in replacement for DC3, requiring no FW change at all). That could be why there were early reports from TI that *all* 2008 Samsung would have DC4, and why Samsung has been tight lipped about it since.

I hope this is FUD. I am going to be pissed if I find out they change chips in the same model. That would be pretty ridiculous.

I was informed by my local calibration specialist at Desco Audio here in Olympia that you can't do a ISF calibration (gray scale) on the new LED Sammies and that the best that he could do was simply to adjust the color controls in the menu.

Well I've got an ISF certified tech wanting to calibrate mine. Samsungs are notoriously easy to get along with for ISF calibration. I think this is bunk, especially if he singled out "LED". The menus on bulb and LED should be basically the same.

EDIT: I kind of mis-spoke on the "notoriously easy" part. I'm told you can generally get good support from Samsung if you are an ISF certified tech. Doesn't mean they are actually easy to calibrate, I'm not qualified to make that statement.

I would have to agree with this statement because I just got my replacement set last tuesday and on the same movie setting as on my old HLT 5687S it replaced, the blacks are WAY blacker than before. I never use DNIe so that is always off and never use any black adjustment or dynamic contrast, the blacks are just completely more black on this set. I was even watching tv last night with all the lights out and the LED output was on "low" and when the screen would go blank it would be black, no noticeable hot spot at all. On my old HLT5687S when the screen would go blank with the lights out the tv would light up the room pretty significantly. I don't know if my set has DC4 or not but i know that the blacks on this set are noticeably more black and inkier than my HLT set was with the same setting values plugged in.

Ok, are you forgetting that it is a whole newer generation of LED from Phatlight? I think people keep discounting the difference this would make.

Is it possible that Samsung has been refining their manufacturing processes? Maybe the A650's and A750's that are on the market today are of better quality that the ones put out in the first week or so?

Well, then they've been refining since 2002 because the same variations happened since then and it didn't matter if it was when it came out or at the end of the year.

So I am having a continuing problem with Samsung support. I had a tech out who told me my HL61A650 was physically warped. Including the foot of the TV. So Samsung tells my tech they want him to go out and take pictures. I talked to him yesterday and he said he was trying to get in touch with a regional supervisor to talk too since pics would be hard to ship what he is saying.

I mean cmon Samsung, you know there are issues with the last 2 generation of DLP's and If the Tech is telling you he has seen the TV is physically damaged then why are you going to dispute him and piss off the customer by making him wait.

Why even bother with techs if you arent going to believe them?

I know you're just venting, but I have to say I told you so. If you deal with Samsung long enough, you'll probably get a resolution. If you had no stomach or patience for that, the money you saved from Buy.com is not going to be worth it in the long run. Again, I love Buy.com, but buying a DLP from them is not something I would seriously consider.

thanks but i'd already seen that. guess what i meant ask is, is the stuff in that link the extent right now for 3D usage? battery powered glasses and a PC disc? is there any real plans for to implement 3D in the future or is it (for the most part) a gimmick?

3D has had numerous false starts over the years. Look at what nVidia has done messing up their 3D support. Just buy the TV for the TV, hope the 3D connection is as future proof as Samsung wants you to believe, and if they really come out with 3D BluRay and enough 3D content, you can invest then. I know it is a Chicken and Egg thing, but the 3D game support from DDD doesn't impress me. The list is way too small. And yes there have been 3D BluRay players announced. I don't doubt they'll come out, but I don't trust the studios to not screw up the content support.

Sennat

05-14-08, 05:17 PM

Saw this on the (private) avical forum, from Eliab:

The HL61A750 that I worked on this past Saturday may be the most impressive Samsung DLP that I've worked on thus far - and I've worked on hundreds. It's a bit quirky from a calibration standpoint, but it responded terrificly and rendered an extremely satisfying image. I can't imagine getting a better picture at this size for under 2k (presently). Samsung definitely took a step in the right direction with this one.

Heyitsme22

05-14-08, 05:30 PM

I will share my input on the 61 A750 a picked up on may 8th.

The tv is very nice, I had a 50 inch ultra slim a tried out around last thanksgiving time and, I returned due to bad bowing and rainbows.

So I decided to try the led version, I like it alot, no bowing at all, nice and bright, but not painful on the eyes with no ligths on, my 50" bulb version hurt my eyes more with no ambient light then this one, maybe cause it was a new bulb I dont know..

But!, I still see the damn rainbow effect, not quite as bad as the bulb dlp my buddy has and I had ,but it Is definitely there for sure. So yea I dont know what im going to do.
I tried to call all the circuit citys to see if they have a floor or stock of sony 60 A3000 3lcd. Nope , and 2 bestbuys have 1 floor model but want way to much. So yea my search continues for the sony I guess.

But yes back on topic. I love the the new 7 series, it really sucks my eyes are so sensitive to rbe.

Pros, easy on the eyes with good brightness just an awesome tv.

Cons.
Seems to be maybe little more silk screen effect then the 2007 ultra slim I had, not as bad as the sony a3000 tho.

Alittle bit of reflections on the top of the screen not noticeable in most viewing.

nothing else i could find bad with it

Turbolader

05-14-08, 06:45 PM

"I hope this is FUD. I am going to be pissed if I find out they change chips in the same model. That would be pretty ridiculous."

________________________________________________________

What part of "now that I think about it," which was the exact way I opened my post, suggests anything other than conjecture to you?

Don't kid yourself into believing the possibility isn't reality, however. I work in product management for a large tech company, and we break-in all kinds of refinements and component changes to our products during the course of any model year. This is often gated by component surplus at the factory, and it almost never results in any model number or marketing collateral changes.

Let me state again for the record...Pure speculation on my part where Samsung consumer electronics is concerned.

Nullman

05-14-08, 07:01 PM

Thanks for all your posts everyone. Made me feel better about my choice. I am gonna grab the HL61A750.

Anyone have this TV hooked up to thier PC? I am looking at weather or not I should go to DVI to HDMI or DVI to VGA with the tv. Also I am confused on how the hell am I am gonna get the sound to my reciever I have a pretty old one. I will be updating my sound system later this year but as for now I will stick with what I have now. What I was gonna do was go 3.5mm to RCA jacks to my reciever. I was looking at monoprice for my cables.

I have a PC connected to my 61A750. The PC has an ATI AIW 9800 Pro. I used their DVI to VGA adapter and used the VGA input on the TV. I didn't want to tie up an HDMI port with my PC when the TV has a VGA input. As for sound, my PC has six channel analog out and that is connected to my A/V receiver.

ripvanbuffed

05-14-08, 07:26 PM

I bought the 750 on May 3. I got it and the Samsung stand for $2159 out the door. I love it. Although it's probably a good thing I started reading this forum after I got it home because I might not have bought it. I do have some slanting (which I will fix thanks to this forum), no bowing or pink V though, and noticed the issue of the white in the black bar. I connected my cable box to it with a HDMI cable and have a cheap surround sound hooked up also. The TV speakers just don't cut it on some programs, "Lost" being the worst so far. I know that's not the fault of the TV but without the surround I'd have a hard time hearing it.

bruce73

05-14-08, 07:46 PM

According to turls:
"Well, actually if you bought a receiver a year ago, you should have gone in with eyes wide open you were missing HDMI switching. Of course, its only been in the last year or so that the price on HDMI switching on receivers has left the early-adopter rip-off stage. . "

Hey Matt: FYI, my Yamaha receiver *does* do HDMI switching (I use it all the time); it just doesn't pass 1080p.Believe me, my eyes are always wide open with this kind of hobby. I was kinda like...ya know...making a little joke at the seeming futility of trying to always "future-proof" anything. As for you, well I think you *are* getting a little testy.LOL Time for a beer maybe (umm, that would be more humor...) :-)

Nullman

05-14-08, 07:52 PM

Heck, bluray is just starting to catch on... i think it will be a loooong time before we see any real movies in 3D.. Just a gimmick IMO.

I saw Michael Eisner on CNBC yesterday talking about all the new 3D movies coming. He said Pixar is going to make every movie now in 2D and 3D and some other studio as well. I can't recall at the moment, sorry - maybe Dreamworks? He talked of how 3D is "real" and how much better it was then 3D films of the past now that it's all digital and that we would be seeing a lot of new content. He didn't mention the new 3D HDTVs, but I would hope that content would be made available to the home viewers with capable sets (like me :)).

maximus_29palms

05-14-08, 08:34 PM

Yes they do. And for almost all of their products. They will also pricematch after the sale, so for a big purchase check it daily and be ready to call for some cash-back.

And the $1675 price, delivered, was too much for me to pass up. I am sitting in a hotel room in Des Moines thinking about where I am going to put the silly thing when it arrives in a couple days.

Got me too...

Just picked up 61A750 from "Big River." Now looking at stands and would like to know if anyone has any experience with IKEA furniture and specifically these two stands? I prefer the 1st one with casters over the second and the second is not available in black. Both are able to hold the weight, the only other consideration would be viewing height.

W 47 1/4" x D 23 5/8" x H 20 1/2"
ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60105706

W 56 3/4" x D 23 5/8" x H 18 1/2"
ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90086805

Thanks for suggestions.

moonhawk

05-14-08, 09:07 PM

What on earth makes you think there is an ounce of wood in these TVs?

I hope this is FUD. I am going to be pissed if I find out they change chips in the same model. That would be pretty ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure they swapped out the hickory chips for mesquite--this would explain the better flavor in the more recent batch.

:D

Actually, just relieved at least one other poster doesn't think these sets are made of wood-- talk about issues!

:rolleyes:

RandomHajile

05-14-08, 09:08 PM

What on earth makes you think there is an ounce of wood in these TVs?

I don't know...I'm an idiot. We just got rid of our old TV, and it weighed a couple thousand pounds. It was, in fact, made out of wood. This TV....well, not so much, I know. My wife, the psychologist, would refer to this as transference....and then she would call me an idiot. Hurfdurfdurf. I guess I was so excited to get the thing out of the box and hooked up that I didn't really think about it.

Plastic can still warp, but I guess most geometry issues are more likely due to the stresses on the screen. Tight screws? Inconsistent plastic molds? Heavy screen? Improperly aimed lenses? *shrug* I don't really care to speculate further...mine has no tilting and barely noticeable inward bowing (I don't see it on typical 16:9 stuff). I guess I'm lucky that mine is okay, as I live 40 miles from the nearest place that sells this TV (and something like 65 miles to the next closest place). I hope you guys can get yours taken care of.

mcnabney

05-14-08, 09:13 PM

Got me too...
W 47 1/4" x D 23 5/8" x H 20 1/2"
ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/60105706

W 56 3/4" x D 23 5/8" x H 18 1/2"
ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90086805

Thanks for suggestions.

The first one won't hold it. The 61" TV is 55" wide. I am leaning towards this (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8181674&st=pinnacle&lp=4&type=product&cp=1&id=1164153526243). $300 minus 10% coupon. Of course I need to hold six items; receiver, center channel, HTPC, cable box, DVD, and VCR.

moonhawk

05-14-08, 09:14 PM

I don't know...I'm an idiot. We just got rid of our old TV, and it weighed a couple thousand pounds. It was, in fact, made out of wood. This TV....well, not so much, I know. My wife, the psychologist, would refer to this as transference....and then she would call me an idiot. Hurfdurfdurf. I guess I was so excited to get the thing out of the box and hooked up that I didn't really think about it.

:)

wopino

05-14-08, 09:15 PM

Ok, are you forgetting that it is a whole newer generation of LED from Phatlight? I think people keep discounting the difference this would make.

i realize that man, however, if they used the same DC3 chip as last year's set....wouldn't the blacks be the same? My blacks are noticeably better than my HLT5687s that got replaced.

cstrasz

05-14-08, 11:18 PM

I know a few people were asking about stands for the 67A750. I ordered the samsung stand made for their 72" line of sets (TR72B). Got it in yesterday and finally built it tonight. No set on it yet since it doesn't come in until Monday.

I took some pictures of the stand for anyone interested. Seems to be pretty sturdy. Nothing too fancy. It has the wire ties built into the back which is nice.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3547/stand01xw8.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2183/stand02jb9.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6316/stand03xo5.jpg

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8250/stand04zf9.jpg

CyberCT

05-14-08, 11:18 PM

I thought I'd give a quick review of the HL56A650 (delivered this morning). I played a few hours of X360 on it and watched (Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade) on SD DVD. I must say I'm pleased with the PQ on this set. I'm coming from a Sony 46" 3LCD HDTV (E3000) and the black levels are close between the two TVs. However, the color of this TV (in just the factory "custom" mode without me changing any settings) is great. I do sort of regret not getting the 61" version as it probably would have looked just as good and filled up a little more viewing area. I thought SD cable and SD DVDs would have looked crappy and stretched out more as the screen size got bigger, but because of the excellent upscaling capabilities of this set, the larger screen would have suited me fine. And I feared that a 61" set or even the 67" set of the 67A750 would have issued bowing & slanting more apparently, but now I do not fear that as much. Without putting up the grid pattern, this TV might have a slight bowing at the top, but it is "barely" noticable and I don't care. It also might have a slight slant / tilt, but as long as I don't put that grid up I'm OK. I was able to get this TV for under $1500 shipped too, which I think is a great deal considereing the local CC has the TV on sale for $1900 plus tax ($2020).

The SSE (Silk Screen Effect) is VERY noticable from about 5' away. I never noticed it on my Sony 46" LCD RPTV. But from 10" away it's barely noticable. The light reflection coming out of the rear left vent of this TV is noticable and annoying. I'm going to get black electric tape to take care of this problem, or think of something. The viewing angle is also not as good as my Sony RPTV (this surprised me). Anything a little off center and the picture starts to look dim. However, with with my current seating arrangement, all seats can see the TV just fine without it dimming.

But, I just have to reiterate that this TV upscales basic cable at 480i to 1080p very well (MUCH better than my Sony). The same goes with the X360 for upscaling SD DVD and outputting 720p via component and the HDTV doing the rest for 1080p upscaling. I also looked for this infamous light reflection at the top and bottom black bars during a widescreen movie, but could not find it at all (did I get lucky with my set?). I still highly recommend this TV.

JediForce

05-15-08, 12:13 AM

I just got my HL61A750 and had a quick question...what is the difference between bowing and slant? On the right side (if I'm watching 4:3) the line fades outward toward the bottom. It's very slight, but noticable if you look at it. Any way of fixing that or should I just deal with it? By the way Big River has it for $1675 now!

JediForce

05-15-08, 12:18 AM

By the way...Big River did a good job, but CEVA worried me. The delivery guys (barely spoke any English) and were throwing the box around...not to mention that one of the guys freaked out my neighbor...stared at her for like 2 minutes straight. She was like "is that delivery for this house" and the guy just kept on staring with nothing to say...I guess the White Glove Delivery depends on who delivers it!

Mookeylama

05-15-08, 12:26 AM

Just saw Big River has the 61A750 for sale for $1674 delivered (sold by Big River). Do their prices keep fluctuating all the time like this?

can someone give me a link to this Big River store please? searching just get's me rivers lol

StillwaterTownie

05-15-08, 12:30 AM

can someone give me a link to this Big River store please? searching just get's me rivers lol

amazon.com

missrunt

05-15-08, 01:20 AM

Anyone here actually used TriDef on one of these sets yet???

http://www.tridef.com

Sources at DDD claim that the TriDef 3D Experience offers a range of popular entertainment, from PC games to high definition 3D movies on Samsung's 3D-Ready Plasma and DLP HDTVs. TriDef enables Samsung customers to play the latest PC games, watch Hollywood movies, view family photographs and surf the web, in 3D. It also automatically converts 2D DVD movies into 3D.

We all know it's going to happen, but, when will our PC & TV merge without need for a free standing cpu in a suitcase happen??? I see HTPC's being the size of dvd players in 3 years...what say you??? Once cable companies get onboard the STB + wireless keyboard will be all that is needed...until voice command is the norm.

Of course this doesn't take into consideration the fact that some lens companies are trying to push eyewear with 80" perceived 4:3 views already that we can wear. No matter what they say, looking at a 200" true projected image will never be replaced by a headset!

Maybe it will???

Your 2015 Stock Tip ;)

MR

finsmaniac02

05-15-08, 08:27 AM

Heck, bluray is just starting to catch on... i think it will be a loooong time before we see any real movies in 3D.. Just a gimmick IMO.

The 3d stuff is pretty cool, but it is still pretty gimicky. Beowulf for example: At the theatre I had a blast, but it was like an "amusement park" kinda blast. I now have it on HD DVD and with my 61A750, it has an IMMENSELY 3D look to it, without being so "amusement park"-y (aka. gimmicky). I can appreciate the movie more now then at the theatre.

with a good TV and good source (bluray or HD DVD) things look very 3 dimensional without relying on gimmicks. I think that if samsung sold a "standard" set to use for 3d and dualview mode that they would probably promote dualview mode more than 3d. Dualview uses the same tech, but instead of supplying each eye a different frame, it actually supplies each viewer different frames, effectively letting 2 people watch 2 different things from one bigass tv. I don't think anything will catch on until samsung either makes a set (glasses/cpu) or promotes a particular brand as a "standard" though.

S_Jake

05-15-08, 08:59 AM

The first one won't hold it. The 61" TV is 55" wide. I am leaning towards this. $300 minus 10% coupon. Of course I need to hold six items; receiver, center channel, HTPC, cable box, DVD, and VCR.

This is the stand I have. I just got my 61A750 on 5/13, and the TV fits the stand perfectly when the stand is built to 55" wide. It is also able to go 60" and 65" wide. The stand is only about 18" high, which puts the center of the 61" screen about 40" off the floor. The wood is a little darker than what the photo shows on the website. It is very sturdy and has lots of room for components. If you'd like any additional measurements that aren't shown on BB web site just let me know!

As for the TV, so far I'm completely satisfied with my purchase. I haven't had a lot of time to spend working with it, but I don't have any noticeable issues right off the bat.

NismoZ

05-15-08, 09:01 AM

This is the stand I have. I just got my 61A750 on 5/13, and the TV fits the stand perfectly when the stand is built to 55" wide. It is also able to go 60" and 65" wide. The stand is only about 18" high, which puts the center of the 61" screen about 40" off the floor. The wood is a little darker than what the photo shows on the website. It is very sturdy and has lots of room for components. If you'd like any additional measurements that aren't shown on BB web site just let me know!

As for the TV, so far I'm completely satisfied with my purchase. I haven't had a lot of time to spend working with it, but I don't have any noticeable issues right off the bat.

What stand are you describing here?

S_Jake

05-15-08, 09:08 AM

It's the Pinnacle Design stand link in "mcnabney's" post #3101. Since I'm a new member it won't let me post a URL until I've made three posts...one more to go!

One more thing about that Pinnacle Design Stand. The alternate photos in the BB web site don't show wire management clips on the back of the stand, but it does in fact come with four wire management clips.

bruce73

05-15-08, 09:23 AM

Can someone please post a link to the free stand Crutchfield is offering with 67" model? I can'the find it on Samsung's site, and if it was posted earlier here, I missed it.

Thanks.

mike_pro

05-15-08, 10:10 AM

Dang, I need to try getting BB to match or come close to Amazons price. That is now $173 less than what i paid, $283 if you count tax (which I wouldn't expect BB to match.) If they won't match the $173 price difference, than the $283 is almost worth returning the TV and getting it from Amazon. I wonder how much hassle BB would give me for returning it, since I threw the box away....

Heck of a deal on this TV... also, great to see some positive comments from such a respected person as Eliab.

turls

05-15-08, 10:33 AM

Hey Matt: FYI, my Yamaha receiver *does* do HDMI switching (I use it all the time); it just doesn't pass 1080p.Believe me, my eyes are always wide open with this kind of hobby. I was kinda like...ya know...making a little joke at the seeming futility of trying to always "future-proof" anything.

Between crippled HDMI (either not 1.3a or whatever they come out with next month or no 1080p switching) and the extra they charge for HDMI switching, I just leave it to the TV to do the switching, hard to future-proof a moving target as you say . . .

turls

05-15-08, 10:37 AM

i realize that man, however, if they used the same DC3 chip as last year's set....wouldn't the blacks be the same? My blacks are noticeably better than my HLT5687s that got replaced.

I don't know the answer to that. Not sure if the LEDs can affect black level or not. I would really love to see what the pros that may have seen both side by side and calibrated both of them say. Its still silly Mits press says they have DC4 and that's on unreleased sets and we still don't have an answer on Samsung. In any case, it will have to be good enough for me, I have no complaints without seeing something noticably better with my own eyes.

CyberCT

05-15-08, 11:12 AM

(1) Has anyone posted image settings adjustments on the 650 series after doing a calibration? I did a scan from this page all the way back to page 29 on this forum and found numerous 750 settings changes after calibration, but nothing for the 650s

(2) Did anyone cover / block the light coming out of the left rear vent from the 650 (maybe 750 too?). The blue / purple / green vent shaped light coming out of the rear vent is pretty annoying on my 56A650.

Jamers

05-15-08, 11:40 AM

I'm not entirely sure blocking that light is a good idea. Aren't those vents there to aid in cooling/ventailation?

CyberCT

05-15-08, 11:46 AM

I'm not entirely sure blocking that light is a good idea. Aren't those vents there to aid in cooling/ventailation?

There are more than one section of venting in the back of the TV. The left most one puts out light that scatters about 5 feet to the left of the TV on the wall. At least with that one, it would eliminate most of the visible light from the rear, and I'll leave it open. I could also get some type of foam maybe, I dunno.

kirr

05-15-08, 12:31 PM

The samsung repairman came out and said it was a concaved screen. He told me it was best to exchange it as it was within the 30 days at BB. We had the TV delivered in the first place, so I called the BB store where we purchased it and they set me up with a new TV and it was to be delivered and exchanged. They brought the new TV to our home last week, we made them wait while we plugged it in and it had the same problem -- hourglass image. So, i refused the TV. I called back BB told them what happend, and they agreed to send out another TV. Today we got the new TV and it still has a bit of an hourglass shape, but it is MUCH better than the first one we had. BB really did a good job with listening to my issues and taking care of the problem. We purchased the TV for $2250 but because BB has a 60 day price match policy, we ended up getting it for $1889. We still have 30 days left in our price match.

jjf12cu

05-15-08, 01:16 PM

Saw that the "3rd Party Price" on the 61A750 at camel camel camel (a price tracking site) is down to $1569. Anyone know what third party is offering that price? I'd love to go get me a price match...

http://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B001415FIG

ETA: Ah, nevermind - its the third-party price at amazon. Still hoping to get CC to match amazon's price under threat of return.

mike_pro

05-15-08, 01:25 PM

I think its time for an owner thread, sorry but this is starting to rub me the wrong way. The same questions are getting asked every 2 or 3 pages.

OK, I said a while back I would start one, and I have. Check it out here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1029686

Hopefully it is useful. Any and all comments/suggestions on it welcome.

Jamers

05-15-08, 01:26 PM

What happens to all these returned Samsung DLP's? Would retailers like Best Buy just discount it an additional 10% and stick it out on the floor or do they have to send them back to Samsung? If they're going back to Samsung, what are they doing with them? They must be flooded with returns?

JOE.G

05-15-08, 01:46 PM

How does the tthe 650 and the 750 compare to my current 6176S? it all aspects, is it a good trade? thanks

P.S I think my 6176S has a great picture.

Broncogeek

05-15-08, 01:55 PM

HL61A750

Does anybody else get a white spot right in the middle of the screen when you turn it off? I read that that was because of direct light and the TV was not damaged. So, I moved the light and it is still there. You can't see it at all when the set is on, so, it's really not a problem. I was just wondering if anybody else saw the same thing.

BG

CyberCT

05-15-08, 02:03 PM

mike_pro

05-15-08, 02:08 PM

Broncogeek

05-15-08, 02:46 PM

Yes, I saw the sheet. I just didn't know if it was fixable.
If this is the only problem I see with this TV, it was worth every cent.

BG

VinnieVol

05-15-08, 03:37 PM

I know a few people were asking about stands for the 67A750. I ordered the samsung stand made for their 72" line of sets (TR72B). Got it in yesterday and finally built it tonight. No set on it yet since it doesn't come in until Monday.

I took some pictures of the stand for anyone interested. Seems to be pretty sturdy. Nothing too fancy. It has the wire ties built into the back which is nice.

Thanks for posting, cstrasz! I'm also trying to find a suitable stand for the 67A750... where did you order this one from? Those are glass shelves, correct?

cstrasz

05-15-08, 03:44 PM

Thanks for posting, cstrasz! I'm also trying to find a suitable stand for the 67A750... where did you order this one from? Those are glass shelves, correct?

Got it off big river. Yep, glass shelves!

tap_some_bong

05-15-08, 03:47 PM

Hey guys, I was one of those that sprung on the BB 10% deal. No tax in Oregon, which "saved" ~$160.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2367/2494748111_5538ab726c.jpg

I ended up using the stand that I had for my old DLP (my 52" Mitsu's power supply died, and rather than forking over for repairs, I sprung for a new set). What's great is that even though it's a larger display area, the "foot" is narrower, which allows to rest on my existing setup.

I've completely used up all 3 of my HDMI inputs: cable box, 360, and Denon DVD player. No BD player for me yet, as I'm waiting until Labor Day to see if any cool new devices show up in the pipeline.

Broncogeek

05-15-08, 04:00 PM

^ Stickers...........Be Gone!

theranman

05-15-08, 04:02 PM

I know it's been answered somewhere before, but how wide is the foot on the 61A750?

Sgooter

05-15-08, 04:09 PM

I know it's been answered somewhere before, but how wide is the foot on the 61A750?

Mine is 39" x 13".

Sgooter

05-15-08, 04:16 PM

^ Stickers...........Be Gone!

In my case, not until the 30-day return period ends.

Soon after setting up the 61" 750, a friend came over to see it.
His only notable comment was "really cool decals." I think he'll soon see them on the back of his new Vette.

Zyeox

05-15-08, 05:15 PM

The View Angle looks pretty good from that view. Thanks for the pics. Please post some more!!!

VinnieVol

05-15-08, 05:43 PM

tap_some_bong, thanks for the pic! Looks great.

vfrjim

05-15-08, 06:57 PM

How about someone doing a FAQ in the first post to give all important information so noobs do not need to go through 105 pages to find the important stuff?

Zyeox

05-15-08, 07:12 PM

mike_pro started one for this set

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1029686

KTM250

05-15-08, 08:19 PM

Hello, I just bought a HL56A650. I have been playing around in the service menu and ended up getting the HDMI inputs messed up. All of them became very dark. I took the the settings from the Component Input on the ADC Results screen and coppied them to HDMI settings. The picture is much better but not good. I was wondering if someone has the same Tv and could give me their settings for the ADC Results screen for the HDMI inputs.

Thank You
Bob

wopino

05-15-08, 08:41 PM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2367/2494748111_5538ab726c.jpg
nice pic, what are your settings?

donb1948

05-15-08, 09:07 PM

I was wondering if someone has the same Tv and could give me their settings for the ADC Results screen for the HDMI inputs. See attached. (I photographed all of the service menu settings BEFORE I started screwing around.)

tap_some_bong

05-15-08, 09:08 PM

So within a few hours of playing with the set, I got the switch-off issue. It gave me an excuse to upgrade to the 1004 firmware, which was a breeze (downloaded everything off of the Samsung website).

I'm now in the process of programming my remote. Because my current remote lacks the ability for me to punch in discrete on/offs via Pronto Hex, it's time to upgrade that, too!

KTM250

05-15-08, 09:31 PM

donb1948, Thanks for the settings. Looks like it got me back in the ball park.
Now if I can figure out how to do the calibration. Again thanks.

Bob

auxiliary

05-15-08, 09:34 PM

moonhawk

05-15-08, 09:53 PM

damn, big river is tempting me again. i didn't buy it from there because i managed to get BB to get close (50 bucks was worth getting it in town), now big river has dropped it to $1675 which is $150 less then i paid. i wonder if i should return my set to BB now.

If you don't have any issues with your set, I wouldn't even consider it.

If you get a bad one and have to deal with it long distance, you'll be happy to give back that $150.

But if you're having trouble with your current set, it might be worth the crapshoot.

Keep us posted. :)

JPOnion

05-15-08, 10:24 PM

damn, big river is tempting me again. i didn't buy it from there because i managed to get BB to get close (50 bucks was worth getting it in town), now big river has dropped it to $1675 which is $150 less then i paid. i wonder if i should return my set to BB now.

You managed to get BB close...was it because they price matched against big river or something?

After doing more research, I've pretty much settled on the Samsung 61" 750. Big river is the best price I can find, but...I don't know how much of a hassle it'll be if I get a bad set. Plus, I don't think their white glove delivery service delivers while I'm not at work. :P If I could get one of the local B&M stores to be close, that would help out a lot (especially since I believe BB delivers on saturday)

tsopranos

05-15-08, 10:57 PM

Has anyone had experience in dealing with The Home Theatre Store?
That Reseller Ratings site that someone posted earlier (thanks!) gave it a good score, but it's from a limited amount of reviews.
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Home_Theater_Store

They seem to have the best bargain on the 67A750 right now.

That plus a $125 Mack 3 yr. extended warranty, and the Pinnacle stand from BB that someone posted before puts it darn close to the CRTCH & Big River prices.

Worst case scenario would be that the set is defective and couldn't be fixed by a tech, and that I'd have to wait for a replacement set from THTS correct? I just want to make sure that I'm not missing anything and that I have all bases covered.

I'm ready to swipe the CC on this. Don't push me, I'll do it! :D

NDRugby

05-15-08, 11:11 PM

HL72A650 is up for preorder on Crutchfield. B&H is still the lowest I've seen from a reputable source.

donb1948

05-15-08, 11:16 PM

... Now if I can figure out how to do the calibration. ... You can get a pretty good "calibration" on these sets just by using the Movie setting which is closes to standard (either Rec 601 or 709). With this setting, the gamut and grey scale are pretty good, but the gamma tracking is off. Unless you have special equipment (colorimeter or spectroradiometer), you can not set the gamma tracking anyway. If the Movie setting is too dark for you, try changing the gamma setting and/or kicking up the contrast a bit.

If you really want to screw around with the service menu (and you know now just how dangerous that can be), take a look at these threads:
1. For general info on calibration and how to use a sets color management system(CMS): Basic Guide to Color Calibration using a CMS (updated and enhanced) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852536)
2. For specific info on past years Samsung Service Menus (HL-S and HL-T --some of which applies and some does not apply to this year's models but is never-the-less a good primer): Samsung Service Menu Calibration Guide (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=890457) (Make sure you also click on the first link in this thread.)

Have fun, but remember... You can brick you set screwing around in the service menu.

donb1948

05-15-08, 11:36 PM

TheSose

05-15-08, 11:56 PM

My Sony kv-36fv16 (7 years old!!!!) just stopped working and am looking for a replacement.
There's tons of options to replace it and one of them led me here. The HL61A750 looks like a good deal. CC has it for 1,999 and no interest until 2011.

My question is, what do you guys think?
I don't even have cable! I would use this TV for HD gaming (xbox 360) and HD (and Blue-Ray) movies as well as some local channels.

Should I try and go with this Samsung model?
How about CC customer care? Anyone had any probs when/if returning it to them? How about to Samsung?

I skimmed thru this thread (106 pages!!!!) and read the FAQ. Now I'm asking for your personal recommendations.

Thanks.

rexpokinghorn

05-16-08, 12:02 AM

What companies are people having luck getting Best Buy to pricematch with? I see a few people mention Crutchfield... and Big River.

tsopranos

05-16-08, 12:03 AM

If you are purchasing onlline, you might want to consider this: Return Policy. (http://www.hometheaterstore.com/returnpolicy.asp)

Ouch...I was looking for their Return Policy, briefly that is. That's definitely a deal breaker. Warranties be damned, I'd be at the mercy of a Samsung certified tech should there be problems with the set. I'm not sure I like what I heard from some on here either about there being acceptable levels of deformities, ...this coming from Samsung.

Thanks for the heads up donb.

lgb400

05-16-08, 12:27 AM

I was looking at the possibly buying the Samsung HL61A750 TV. I have a 47 inch Westinghouse LVM47W1 TV. Would I see much of a difference in picture quality between the two? Which tech is better? I know the viewing angle on the Westy is pretty good but am unsure on the Samsung. Also is 9 feet far enough for a 61 inch. Thank you for your help.

mcnabney

05-16-08, 01:00 AM

What companies are people having luck getting Best Buy to pricematch with? I see a few people mention Crutchfield... and Big River.

I actually got Best Buy to price match Big River's old price and include delivery. So that was dropping their price from $2099 to $1800, but I would still have to pay tax. I was on the fence. Then the Big River chopped some more off and I knew BB wouldn't match that. I did buy the stand at BB though. Now I have to wait 12 days for delivery...

rexpokinghorn

05-16-08, 02:07 AM

I actually got Best Buy to price match Big River's old price and include delivery. So that was dropping their price from $2099 to $1800, but I would still have to pay tax. I was on the fence. Then the Big River chopped some more off and I knew BB wouldn't match that. I did buy the stand at BB though. Now I have to wait 12 days for delivery...

Do you just bring in a printout of the advertised price?

ZBoomer

05-16-08, 09:34 AM

If you are purchasing onlline, you might want to consider this: Return Policy. (http://www.hometheaterstore.com/returnpolicy.asp)

Damn, that might be the worst return policy I've ever seen; online OR B&M. Something to consider...

Zyeox

05-16-08, 10:00 AM

Umm yea I would stay clear of them with that return policy. Maybe thats why they have some lower prices on some of there items.

mcnabney

05-16-08, 10:44 AM

Do you just bring in a printout of the advertised price?

No. They can get on the web and look it up using their little computers that every department has. I just told them how much Bigriver listed it for, he looked it up, called his manager, and made the offer. I wanted to get the pricematched and use a coupon, so I waited. It was a good thing too. Saved me about $250 after taxes. That paid for the stand!

This is actually an example of how retail fails to close the deal. They knew I wanted a little bit more and was willing to buy right then if the price was right. They stuck to their guns and let me walk out. I found a better price elsewhere and the TV that was sitting in their inventory room is still there. I understand that you don't cut deals on hot items, but RPTV is not hot and has been steadily dropping in price. Better to make the sale now than wait and let your inventory depreciate.

auxiliary

05-16-08, 12:09 PM

If you don't have any issues with your set, I wouldn't even consider it.

If you get a bad one and have to deal with it long distance, you'll be happy to give back that $150.

But if you're having trouble with your current set, it might be worth the crapshoot.

Keep us posted. :)

well that's why i'm considering it. i have bowing in 4:3 and reflections in the top bar, i haven't been able to test for tilt yet, i need to get more info on the best way to check for it. that's why $150 seems like a good deal although if i got another bad set, i'd have to send it freight back to big river.

You managed to get BB close...was it because they price matched against big river or something?

After doing more research, I've pretty much settled on the Samsung 61" 750. Big river is the best price I can find, but...I don't know how much of a hassle it'll be if I get a bad set. Plus, I don't think their white glove delivery service delivers while I'm not at work. :P If I could get one of the local B&M stores to be close, that would help out a lot (especially since I believe BB delivers on saturday)

what i did was use the BB website against my local store. the website had dropped the price to $1889 from $2099 (10% off, it's over now) and so i went into the store and told them that CC was price matching their website for $1889. once they matched that, i used another 10% off coupon i had printed from online which made the set $1700. after tax i paid $1826 out the door which was almost the exact price big river was at that time. since then big river has now dropped the price to like $1675. meaning i would get back all my tax i paid, plus $25.

JPOnion

05-16-08, 12:48 PM

sunbed

05-16-08, 02:15 PM

Due to issues with my old Mitsu DLP I am working on getting a 61A750. I have a built-in entertainment center that I am going to have to "modify" to fit this tv, so my question is what height off the floor are most of you using for the 61" model. We have run of the mill seating so I am just looking to see what height everyone is happy with.

Thanks! Can't wait til I get this TV

ripvanbuffed

05-16-08, 02:39 PM

mike_pro

05-16-08, 03:28 PM

damn, big river is tempting me again. i didn't buy it from there because i managed to get BB to get close (50 bucks was worth getting it in town), now big river has dropped it to $1675 which is $150 less then i paid. i wonder if i should return my set to BB now.

I went through this same dilemma last night. I had my set from BB at about $1850 before 6% tax, and Amazon was at $1675. What was the deal breaker was that I was able to buy $1675 worth of Amazon gift certificates from a friend for $1500. All told, and counting tax (which isn't really fair), this saved me about $480. That was just too good to pass up, so I returned my set last night. Didn't have any issues, even though I didn't have the box. I was very happy in that my set had no geometry issues, or any issues other than buzzing in Dynamic mode, (which I never use anyways). If I have problems with the Amazon set, I'm sure they will work with me, they are pretty good. If not, they will be taking it back.

S_Jake

05-16-08, 04:24 PM

auxiliary

05-16-08, 07:40 PM

Damn, auxiliary, that's a good deal. I went ahead and ordered it last night off big river, but I think it's worth a shot to see if my local BB will do the same for me. If so, I'd kinda rather deal with a local store than online, especially in case I need to do a return. Big river is estimating I wont be getting my TV until around the start of June, anyway, so going local would also mean getting it much quicker (and for that, I'm willing to pay a little more).

Would it be best to call them first, or actually visit them? Was CC really price matching them, or was that a bluff?

it was a bluff just in that i didn't actually goto CC, but i knew from having the webpage printed out and using this 'trick' many times that they would have pricematched. if it had become an issue, i would have gone over to CC and got proof. BB knows that CC will match any price, so it wasn't hard to get them to match their own website/CC and then use a 10% rewards coupon. in fact, i forgot to mention that i also got triple reward points, which i think is good for like $100 in reward certificates. so technically i guess big river is only saving me $50 now which isn't worth it.

JPOnion

05-16-08, 08:20 PM

it was a bluff just in that i didn't actually goto CC, but i knew from having the webpage printed out and using this 'trick' many times that they would have pricematched. if it had become an issue, i would have gone over to CC and got proof. BB knows that CC will match any price, so it wasn't hard to get them to match their own website/CC and then use a 10% rewards coupon. in fact, i forgot to mention that i also got triple reward points, which i think is good for like $100 in reward certificates. so technically i guess big river is only saving me $50 now which isn't worth it.

Thanks for the tip :) Unfortunatly, right after I asked the question my order status on big river went to "Shipping Soon", so it can't be cancelled now. I guess if the TV is fine, though, and doesn't need to be returned then the only downside is the wait it'll take initially to get it. I wanna replace my 27" SDTV now, dammit! :(

sunsfan1991

05-16-08, 08:20 PM

I just bought a HL61A750 from crutchfield with a free stand, and I bought a Onkyo 908. I hope to get both next week so I can try them out over the long weekend.

jhferry

05-16-08, 09:46 PM

bruce73

05-16-08, 09:56 PM

sunsfan1991:

Do you have a link or model number of the free stand Crutchfield offers?

waynezach

05-16-08, 10:18 PM

cstrasz

05-16-08, 10:41 PM

I just went into CC in Wichita Kansas today, 4-16-2008, and to my suprise they were just setting up a 67A750. I asked the guy who was hooking it up, and he confirmed that it was the 67". I did not have time to stay to see it running, but I thought some of you might like to have this information.( It was the CC on the West side of town.)

Nice to see they're finally getting them in stores. I should be getting mine Monday morning and will be posting pics first chance I get. I'm pretty sure there are some folks on here with the 67s already - would love to hear their impressions of the set.

BillyBeatnik

05-16-08, 11:43 PM

sunsfan1991:

Do you have a link or model number of the free stand Crutchfield offers?

They are using the regular Samsung stand.
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-lHbRy612Geu/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?i=305tr500x

EvoPsych62

05-16-08, 11:55 PM

The Stand currently offered for free with the 61A750 by Crutchfield is the Samsung TR500X3BX. For 56' and 61" projection TV's

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2873/h305tr500xfmtft3.jpg

EvoPsych62

05-17-08, 12:23 AM

This stand supports Samsung 50" to 61" DLP TVs and raises your set to the ideal viewing height. It features two sturdy glass shelves to support your gear. The stand's open design provides maximum ventilation for heat-generating components such as receivers and amplifiers.
Details:

* for use with 50"-61" Samsung DLP TVs
* open frame design
* 2 glass shelves for A/V components
* metal frame construction
* cabinet top:
o 55-1/8"W x 15-1/16"D
o weight capacity: 100 lbs.
* middle shelf:
o 43-5/8"W x 15-13/16"D
* weight capacity: 50 lbs.
* bottom shelf:
o 43-5/8"W x 15-13/16"D
* weight capacity: 50 lbs.
* warranty: 1 year
* assembly required

charlesdill

05-17-08, 12:33 AM

Found a site that lists the height at 19 11/16", seems a bit on the tall side, perhaps my couches are shorter than normal.

Ozy666

05-17-08, 02:30 AM

Will the 67" work with that stand? I guess it will overhang the sides a bit, but that should be ok...

bruce73

05-17-08, 07:39 AM

^^^ I'm wondering the same thing. Are the shelves adjustable?

sunsfan1991

05-17-08, 07:47 AM

Are the shelves adjustable?

I can let you know early next week, unless someone who already has the stand wants to chime in.

bruce73

05-17-08, 09:50 AM

^^^ Thanks. I plan on getting the 67", not sure from which dealer/store. My current stand for my 50" is a kinda clunky Bush model, which would no doubt support the 67" fine because of the size of the foot. But a $270 stand for free is hard to pass up. :-)

AdamWL

05-17-08, 02:03 PM

AdamWL

05-17-08, 02:10 PM

^^^ I'm wondering the same thing. Are the shelves adjustable?

Oh, and this is the stand I have. The shelves are not adjustable. The bottom shelf has a height above of 10 1/4" and the top shelf has 6 1/4". My center speaker wouldn't fit on the top shelf and my Onkyo SR875 receiver wouldn't fit on the bottom shelf. I wound up putting the center speaker on the bottom shelf and the receiver on the side of the TV.

I'll be keeping the stand (no returns on that) and looking for a replacement TV.

rkm20151

05-17-08, 03:02 PM

I purchased the 61A750 with the stand through an Internet retailer and have been pulling my hair out over the vertical geometry issue. My set bows in 1/2" from top to bottom on the left side and pincushions on the right. Samsung sent out a local yahoo tech that looked at it for 30-minutes, pulled and pushed on the frame a few times and then left saying this is normal.

Fast forward two weeks later to today, Samsung insists this is within spec even after sending photos of the 1/2" bowing. A week's worth of conversations with the dealer resulted in them agreeing to take the set back, but they would not replace it feeling that they are all subject to such "geometry" issues.

Is this something you just accept or are there sets that do not exhibit such bowing issues?
I bought same set from Crutchfield and similar issue tilt and bowing, Samsung's customer service is the worst. My retailer agreed to replace my set and new set is better than previous one. Geometry issues are due to flex cabinet and hard to fix.
I sent photos to Samsung without any response. Executive customer service reps are idiots and they never take you seriously.

wopino

05-17-08, 03:42 PM

Called samsung about getting my Exchange. They insist on the tech coming out and taking more pictures. The problem is the tv cabinet itself is warped, kind of like a frown, bow ends of the bezel are warping down and the foot of the unit is warped that way as well.

sorry ur going thru this...just be persistent and it will get done, i know how Samsung can be...eventually you can tell them that u need an exchange due to repair delay....that was the second exchange request that ECR submitted for me instead of saying unrepairable because it was taking almost a month, the exchange request was then accepted in 5 mins...haha so just keep on them!!

Nullman

05-17-08, 03:56 PM

Halo3 on my 61A750 (360 running on component at 1080i):

http://xboxphreaker.com/TV7.jpg

Zyeox

05-17-08, 05:15 PM

WoW That looks great!!

wopino

05-17-08, 05:45 PM

yea nice shot Nullman!!

VinnieVol

05-17-08, 07:18 PM

WOW, Nullman... that is awesome.

sunsfan1991

05-17-08, 08:07 PM

Nullman, what stand are you using that puts the center channel above the TV like that?

Nullman

05-17-08, 08:23 PM

Nullman, what stand are you using that puts the center channel above the TV like that?

The stand that the TV is sitting on I got at a furniture store years ago. Last time I was there I didn't even see if for sale. As for the speaker, I took the rubber feet off. The center channel is reversible. The speakers are tilted and it can be used above or below the TV depending on its orientation. I didn't have any room below. I fastened the front two feet to the back two feet and then I glued them back on in the same spot where the grooves are in the back top part of the TV. It's kind of Macgyvered, but its secure.

STR3T

05-17-08, 09:23 PM

What type of center channel speaker is that, Null? How much does it weigh? I don't think these DLP frames are built to carry too much weight (i.e., the weight of most centers these days).

I keep a close eye on your frame w/ that up there...

missrunt

05-17-08, 11:56 PM

Hey Gang...

We decided to pull the trigger on the 67" today.

Sorry for the long post, but, here's the story:

I called CC this morning and asked them to check and see if they had the new HLA750 67" or “61’s in stock. Dude put me on hold, came back about 2 mintues later and said "We have two 67’s here at $2499", and four 61’s at $2099, so, off we go. I took a page printout from the HTS website with the $2099 price for the 67" and the Big River price of $1674.99 on the 61" just to try (Never hurts to try). I had been there last week looking at the 61”, so, I knew they had a few of those on hand.

We get there and look around, no 67" Sammy to be found anywhere:( ! I asked the salesman "Mike" to check and see, because, I had called earlier and somebody said "yes" we have 2. He checked the computer and said they didn't show in the system and that they might have them in a few days! “Well Ish” I said with a frown, “We just drove 45 minutes to check that beast out!”. I explained that I had been debating on the 61" or 67" and wanted to compare the two, since I already like the 61" from checking it out last week. I also explained the issues many on this forum have had with the 61" and for him to be prepared if someone has a problem, and why it happens (warped casings/firmware). Then he asked me who I talked to (I had no idea his name), so, he told us to hang on while he looked in the back just incase (Super Cool Dude).

10 minutes later I was more than bummed and already had decided to buy the little 61" :p, when my wife said “Look over there!”. Here came Mike and 2 others carrying a huge Samsung box with "67 DLP LED HL67A750 on the side...Yeah...HUGE FREAKING BOX!

After every salesman in the store, and several customers came and looked at the HUGE TV being unboxed, I asked them if we could see it with a true 1080P signal. "No problem" Mike says, then the guys took down a 52" Sammy LCD in the seating area and hooked up the 67" unit to the Spiderman 3 Blu Ray feed, so we could sit on a couch and watch. 5 minutes later we were watching SM3 and playing with the remote. We watched about 20 minutes and played several clips without being bothered at all.

After checking for tilt, the falloff, smiley, etc...we decided it was a go. I called Mike over and simply said this;

"Are you going to be the one dealing with me when I buy one of these TV's today?" Mike said "Yep, that's me". I then said, "I know you guys don't price match other websites, but, I have these prices I would like you to check out. I have cash in my pocket, and I'm going to buy one of these 2 depending on which one you can give me the best deal on." Mike said, "Let me see what you've got, because it doesn't hurt to ask my manager".

I handed over the HTS $2099 and Big River $1674.99 prints, and wondered if I could even get $100 off the asking prices of either set. Mike took the papers and went straight to talk to the manager who had helped him carry the beast out. I had already decided there was no way they would knock anything off, and would try to offer a discount on a PS3, stand, or something. I'm going to buy the "67 at regular price anyway, I thought.

Mike comes back and says; “They must be in a good mood today, because, they’ll match both of those prices. Which one do you want?” I asked the Mrs. if she heard what Mike said, and she said, “Why are you asking me, You just sold the 67” Mike!”

I’ve been saying these units would come down in price quickly, and today proved it by them dealing on a TV the store hadn’t even displayed yet!

$2099 + 6% tax for the 67” and out the door she went. Mike even reminded me about the 60 day price guarantee, and to keep checking the prices while handing me 3 free Blu Ray movies to boot :)

We’re actually wall mounting this unit with the DLP-2 mounts when they get here (Only 15 ¼” deep). For the time being, here are some pictures of her sitting on a table during our remodel. The camera doesn’t do justice of course, and 1080i component is all I have feeding her right now.

Very pleased with the unit we came home with, no issues with tilt or bowing, and for what we need it’s fine at that price. Going off to play some 360 via HDMI to see if we have any issues. She's been playing for about 5 hours non-stop without any shut down problem, and I have not checked the firmware version yet, but, all is good to go as I type this.

http://americasarcade.com/hl67a750_speedracer_01.jpg
http://americasarcade.com/hl67a750_getout_01.jpg

Peace
MR

DolfanJay

05-18-08, 12:12 AM

missrunt,

Congratulations. If you get a chance could you measure the base of the TV. I'm interested in whether this will fit on my stand or not.

Thanks.

missrunt

05-18-08, 12:34 AM

missrunt,

Congratulations. If you get a chance could you measure the base of the TV. I'm interested in whether this will fit on my stand or not.

Thanks.

DolfanJay...

39 3/8" x 13 3/4" roughly.

Just wanted to say;

Of course the sound on these sets stinks, me thinks that Sammy assumes anyone buying this monitor will have sense enough to have sound from another source.

Peace
MR

sjchmura

05-18-08, 01:33 AM

Fantastic price. Who is HTS????? I got "big river" but is HTS

sjchmura

05-18-08, 01:34 AM

Any reviews with specs/performance etc from teh large magazines/web sites on these new sets?

DolfanJay

05-18-08, 01:39 AM

missrunt

05-18-08, 02:49 AM

missrunt,

Thanks.

I'm seriously considering getting one of these and taking down my Front Projection setup. I'm only using a 73" screen anyways.

How is the SSE? That and the geometry issues people have been talking about are what worries me the most. I dont expect the TV to have perfect geometry usually only flat panels and properly setup Front projection do anyways.

CC doesn't even have this up on there website yet. I guess I'll give them a call in the morning. You got a great deal, getting my local CC to price match even BB is like pulling teeth. They actually call BB to check stock before they'll match them. If I can get them to match the HTS price like you did I'll probably buy it on the spot. I'm not holding my breath though.:)

For the average eye it is fine. We run a Barco Reality at 120" in our HT at 1080P via BNC run down. For $2K this set is fine!

http://americasarcade.com/hl67a750_box_01.jpg
http://americasarcade.com/hl67a750_box_02.jpg

JFYI: We deal with this store all the time, and always treat them with respect, while expecting little more than a free audio system or something in return. We're always in there buying, as we FLIP lots of houses.

Peace
MR

sjchmura

05-18-08, 03:03 AM

missrunt

05-18-08, 03:32 AM

Any comments on the black (how black) vs white (real white or bright Grey) from these LED sets? At least in the stores the black and white levels have disappointed many of us. I was hoping it was just calibration.

We don't like the fall-off side to side, top to bottom on any DLP. This set performs, unless, you are the most critical. We're actually starting to think the fall-off is less on this 67".

I'm a CRT man from way back, so, I am biased!

It's about time people start to juggle (bulbs or longevity) Everyone should be pleased with the set.

You cant compare 32,000:1 with 2500:1.

sjchmura

05-18-08, 03:51 AM

missrunt

05-18-08, 04:01 AM

True, but trying to compare bulb DarkChip 4 sets (mits 2008) to these at about the same price is hard. At standard settings the bulb (maybe due to the DC4) has better black/white levels with less SSE. I agree the LED is fantastic, but PQ is paramount. I guess this is the problem of "in store" sets - it is virtually impossible to compare.. :(

That's why I would suggest anyone that knows what (Silk Screen Effect) is, look really close at DLP.

We have top of the line LCD front projection (Over $28K less than 8 years ago), LCD wall mounts everywhere, Plasma (Hate It), and DLP.

For 2K this set rocks and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

Peace
MR

missrunt

05-18-08, 04:26 AM

Fantastic price. Who is HTS????? I got "big river" but is HTS

Home Theater Store...

;) Buy Barco!!!

farzad

05-18-08, 11:34 AM

i dont see the 67 on the circuit city web page or best buy web page - does anyone know if this set is or will be carried by these vendors? i'm confused by missrunts purchase.

tsopranos

05-18-08, 12:22 PM

i dont see the 67 on the circuit city web page or best buy web page - does anyone know if this set is or will be carried by these vendors? i'm confused by missrunts purchase.

I just called the CC a town over from me...it's not on the site, but they do have 2 in stock (1 floor model, 1 boxed). BB didn't have it yet.

Missrunt got a hell of a deal though. The salesperson I spoke to said they have a whopping 10% off, on ACCESSORIES...not the TV itself, whoopdie doo.

farzad

05-18-08, 12:34 PM

just called my local circuit city and sho nuff they got one in yesterday. so it must be so new its not up on the website yet.

CyberCT

05-18-08, 01:50 PM

Nice. I should have waited for the 67" or maybe even the 72". I got the 56" and now I feel it is just too small for downstairs. It upconverts lower resolution signals VERY well, which is the opposite of my Sony and the problem I was expecting with going with a larger set.

On my 56A650, I thought I'd also comment on the color depth (contrast, pop, or whatever you want to cal it). It's VERY vivid compared to my Sony RPTV. When I used my old Sony RPTV (now in my bedroom), I could tell the difference right away. It seemed washed out, ans used to have that pop (now I'm spoiled).

Don't disreguard the 650 series. It runs VERY quiet too.

John Titor

05-18-08, 02:15 PM

I cant believe people are still buying these DLP sets...after reading through this thread a lot of people are still experiencing geometry issues with these new 2008 models, I'm so glad I got rid of my 06 sammy DLP that had bowing issues it drove me MAD...everyone I spoke with at Samsung said its normal and even the tech that came out to my house said there was nothing they could do.

Its a shame Sony exited the RPTV business...luckily I bought their last model (A3000) and it has PERFECT geometry, my only regret is that I didn't buy the 60" version.

missrunt

05-18-08, 02:22 PM

just called my local circuit city and sho nuff they got one in yesterday. so it must be so new its not up on the website yet.

Yep...Especially since they are due out in June :)

tukluc

05-18-08, 04:01 PM

For those that purchased from Best Buy or Circuit City, I just noticed the new price for the 61" 750 online at Best Buy ($1899)....call in your pricematches now as you have 60 days from purchase time!!

Teknomedic

05-18-08, 04:28 PM

Ealier in this thread someone had posted that the return policy at Best Buy for HDTVs could be up to 60 or 90 days depending on the date you bought the TV???

Can anyone provide an official link at the BB site that I can point to if I try to exchange for the 67"???

Thanks

EDIT - I think I found it... it was about 60 or 90 day PRICE MATCH policy.... not return. Guess I'll have to make up my mind pretty quick then... I've only got a couple days to do an excange on the set.

gab09026

05-18-08, 04:38 PM

I just posted this over in the Mitsubishi forum, but I'll post it here too to get some opinions..Last week I purchased Mitsubishi 65735 and after reading some negative posts on the bulb life of some Mitsubishis I decided to exchange it for the Sammy 61A750 series..Of course, now I feel comforted because I have LED, but I can't help that when I compare the pictures of the two tvs that the Mitsubishi looks slightly brighter and better? Does anyone have an opinion on this?

theranman

05-18-08, 04:59 PM

How does a standard analog cable tv feed look on the 61A750? Horrendous?...or does the TV upscale it to something acceptable?

I've never had HDTV before, so I'm curious. Yes, I know I'll have to upgrade to the cable HDTV package, but I have not researched how many HDTV channels are offered for the price. That's why I was curious to know what the pic would look like if I plugged the analog (even though the cablecom calls it "digital") feed into the back of the set.

MrLogan13

05-18-08, 05:24 PM

DolfanJay

05-18-08, 06:03 PM

After seeing the huge price drops on big river, I kind of want to order the 61a750 from big river now and just return the set I bought from BB. Do they charge a restocking fee on TVs? Or take it back w/o the box? Perhaps I should try to get them to PM the new big river price.

If you are happy with the set you got I wouldn't risk swapping out. You could end up with a TV with worse geometry. I would just keep an eye on BB and CC websites and just keep price matching as the price falls. You have 60 days.

To answer your one question though BB will take the TV back without the box. They just need the manuals and remotes.

rjkowalski

05-18-08, 06:34 PM

MrLogan13

05-18-08, 08:21 PM

You know, when I PMed the big river price at BB, they wouldn't let me get the BD 3-pack that you're supposed to get with the purchase of any 1080p TV.

Anyone have any trouble with that? I want to go back to customer service and have them give it to me. :D

JOE.G

05-18-08, 08:46 PM

Well circuit city dropped off a 61A750, we hooked it up and checked the geomerty, which was good accept for a slight hour glass. I also had at teh top in the black bars a very annoying reflection. The picture was no where near as good as my 6176S that they were going to replace. I tried standard cable, hifh def cable, std DVD and BLURAY, the 6176S had a better picture, the 750 was very grainy, the firedog guys played with the color and we could not get it even close. The blacks are not as good and fast movement seemed blured and not smooth.

So i ended up keeping my 6176S and amgoing to see if I can get the slight tilt fixed, the bow I do not notice unless there is a grid and mine is not that bad anyway.

rjkowalski

05-19-08, 12:03 AM

Maybe I'm searching with the wrong keywords but I can't find an answer to this:
I just got my 61" A750 and would like to be able to select a channel directly using the remote. For instance, is there any way to key in a channel like 107-13 directly (basic cable with no box)? I would like to remove some stations from the channel list so that my young daughter can't view them using channel up & down. However, I would need to get to them using the numbers. I could key in channel 107 but that won't get me to 107-13. Is there any way to key in that hyphen? Thanks!

I answered my own brain-dead question. Right there in front of my eyes on the remote is the "-" symbol...ugh.

By the way, received my 61" A750 from the High Definition Store very quickly last week and all seems well. It has an April 2008 build date, latest firmware, & I don't see any of the issues many have mentioned. I was nervous about the cross country shipping but it worked well & the scheduled delivery to my door via Pilot Air made it easy. The only thing I don't like is that it doesn't set the proper aspect ratio on its own. With my cheap bedroom Olevia, the "Aspect" feature works much better at keeping the picture from unnaturally stretching things to 16x9 size. With this set, I have to hit the picture size button to manually change it to 4x3. That's a pain when scanning through channels.

10ACTony

05-19-08, 12:16 AM

papi4baby

05-19-08, 12:34 AM

Could someone please explain or direct me to what exactly is the bow and tilt issue, how can i tell if i have it? Thank you.

MrLogan13

05-19-08, 02:30 AM

Okay, here's my 61A750! :D

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1017/samsunhl61a75001smallrh0.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3971/samsunhl61a75002smalljx2.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6148/samsunhl61a75003smallva9.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7793/img2892smallty8.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7200/samsunhl61a75004smallwu2.jpg

sjchmura

05-19-08, 06:57 AM

COD4 is an amazing game... still more hooked on Halo3 but COD4 is just a stunning single player experience. Looks great even on that shot....

How are the black levels in the games/????

I am so torn between the 67A750 and the DC4 Mits 63735/6...... in the stores the mits always wins for black/white and lack of SSE but I wonder if the "default" mits settings are just much more "on". I really want this for HD content and games.

farzad

05-19-08, 08:35 AM

Could someone please explain or direct me to what exactly is the bow and tilt issue, how can i tell if i have it? Thank you.

i would like to know as well.

NDRugby

05-19-08, 08:55 AM

i would like to know as well.

Bow is when straigh horizontal lines bend up at either end. You can tell in two ways, one is to go into the service menu and get the grid up. The easier way is to pull up an image with a straight line, such as Guide. Look at any straight lines, and see if they look like they may be a little bit arced. As far as I can tell, bowing is caused by the flimsiness of the cabinet. Basically, I think the cabinet is a bit warped inward at the edges and that causes the image to bow. I've verified this because whenprue on the edges of the cabinet backwards, the lines straighten.

Tilt is when the image is tilted. I haven't seen this, but I assume it means the image is tilted off center axis Vertically. So, a straight vertical line may be farther left or right at the top versus bottom. I assume both sides fo the image have the same behavior, tilting to the same side, left or right. This is a guess.

BONUS: Hourglass - best seen on 4:3 content with black bars instead of stretch. You'll notice that the lines that edge the bars are further to the sides in opposite directions (left one left, right one right) at the bottom than the center making it hourglass out.

FYI - my opinion is that if you have not noticed these issues, don't go looking for them. Once you see them, you will focus on them, and if in your normal state of viewing now you don't see them, then all is well. Ignorance is bliss.

videobruce

05-19-08, 09:07 AM

prophetizer

05-19-08, 09:22 AM

Two questions;
1. None of these (450, 550, 650 & 750 series) have 2 RF inputs anymore?
2. The hot spotting and poor blacks (worse than LCD's) aren't a issue with you owners as reported in many respected reviews?

i don't think it has worse than LCD blacks, at least not compared to any LCD's i've owned.

tsopranos

05-19-08, 09:35 AM

Okay, here's my 61A750! :D

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1017/samsunhl61a75001smallrh0.jpg

MrLogan, did you adjust any settings on your 61" before taking this picture?

The in-game picture of Halo3 someone posted before seemed to show alot better blacks. Just curious.

bORNZO

05-19-08, 09:40 AM

moonhawk

05-19-08, 09:40 AM

MrLogan, did you adjust any settings on your 61" before taking this picture?

The in-game picture of Halo3 someone posted before seemed to show alot better blacks. Just curious.

There's no way you can judge that from a photograph. Cameras and monitors have their own issues.

NismoZ

05-19-08, 09:42 AM

There's no way you can judge that from a photograph. Cameras and monitors have their own issues.

Right, plus the amount of light in the room where the TV sits is a major factor too.

Zyeox

05-19-08, 09:57 AM

Yea the light I think is what is making a big difference between both pictures. You can tell on the last picture that the light is reflecting on the screen and washing out the colors if you ask me(especially the blacks). That Halo 3 picture look downright amazing if you ask me. None of those pictures above look as good. Maybe its the PS3 compared to the XBOX360. Could also be component via HDMI hook ups as well. But I am pretty sure the Halo3 shot was taken via component.

cstrasz

05-19-08, 10:02 AM

adforster

05-19-08, 11:08 AM

The Samsung website now lists both HL67A750 and
HL72A650 info.

tsopranos

05-19-08, 11:10 AM

I just wanted to share with everyone that I pre-ordered the 67A750 last friday from Tweeter in Fox Valley-Aurora (Chicago west suburb). The listed price was $2499, but Tweeter is running a sale until 5/26/08 and the sale price is $2099. I also ordered a stand (don't remember the brand) for $300 and the dimensions are 60"w x 20"d x 19h. I expect delivery after the Memorial Day holiday and I will post pics when the set arrives. I am pumped. :)

You just saved me $300 :D

I didn't know Tweeter bought out Sound Advice...good thing I checked the site. There's a Sound Advice 15 min. from me. The guy I spoke to on the phone told me the special was for $2199 though, not sure why the difference, but I'm not complaining...still $300 that will cover the stand I get.

Has anyone here had experience with the Mack warranties on here? Tweeter/Sound Advice wants $449 for a 5 yr...seems a little pricey. What's considered an acceptable amount for a warranty, $100 p/yr. of coverage?

MrLogan13

05-19-08, 11:18 AM

Should be getting my 67a750 in the next couple hours. Waiting on the delivery guys now. I'll take some pics throughout the day and post them as much as possible. Have to work at noon but i'll get some out of the box pics posted as soon as I can!

BTW - MrLogan - pics look great! Liking the stand as well. Is the stand sagging or is that just pincushioning from the camera? I figured it's the camera since I think I've seen that stand at local B&M shops and it looked sturdy.

Thanks! The stand isn't sagging, that's pincushioning from my camera. These were some quick shots I took to post; I'll take better pics later and post again. The blacks look a lot better than what the photos are showing. :D

NDRugby

05-19-08, 11:30 AM

The Samsung website now lists both HL67A750 and
HL72A650 info.
Nice I've been trying to figure out stand height for a 72". Here are some calculations I ran for those that are interested:

Screen
71.8" diagonal (from site)
62.2" Width
35.2" Height

Cabinet (from site)
65.8" Width
46.8" Height

That means the cabinet edges are abut 1.6" wide. Assuming top and sides are same size, then the bottom of screen begins at 10" (46.8-35.2-1.6).

That puts the center of the screen at about 27.6" up (35.2/2 + 10).
If one gets a stand that is 19" that means the center of the screen is at 46.6" off the floor. So that would equate to the optimal eye level (I think +/- 10% works well here). I think when I sit up on my couch I'm at around 48" eye level, but I'd have to check again.

cstrasz

05-19-08, 12:05 PM

Nice I've been trying to figure out stand height for a 72". Here are some calculations I ran for those that are interested:

Screen
71.8" diagonal (from site)
62.2" Width
35.2" Height

Cabinet (from site)
65.8" Width
46.8" Height

That means the cabinet edges are abut 1.6" wide. Assuming top and sides are same size, then the bottom of screen begins at 10" (46.8-35.2-1.6).

That puts the center of the screen at about 27.6" up (35.2/2 + 10).
If one gets a stand that is 19" that means the center of the screen is at 46.6" off the floor. So that would equate to the optimal eye level (I think +/- 10% works well here). I think when I sit up on my couch I'm at around 48" eye level, but I'd have to check again.

That sounds about right. Both the 72" samsung stand and the stand for the 50-61" have the exact same height of around 19".

nickels55

05-19-08, 12:08 PM

JPOnion

05-19-08, 12:19 PM

Run to "big river" now - the price just dropped to below $1600. Way less then I paid for my 6187s.

Yowza! Does big river price match before the order has even shipped? Mines still on "Shipping Soon" :o

Zyeox

05-19-08, 12:47 PM

I love to see the price of the 61 go to below $1600 and the 67 around $1800. I would love to buy from big river but I am afraid to get something like this online if I have to ship it back.

theranman

05-19-08, 12:55 PM

Do you all think that the image quality of the 67" will match that of the 61"? Will it be as bright? I'm thinking that the 61" set looks a lot less imposing in my living room, but if the 67" image quality is as good, it may be tempting.....

Then again, I only sit 9ft away.

Al_HiFi

05-19-08, 01:09 PM

[QUOTE=NDRugby;13899450]Nice I've been trying to figure out stand height for a 72". Here are some calculations I ran for those that are interested:

That puts the center of the screen at about 27.6" up (35.2/2 + 10).
If one gets a stand that is 19" that means the center of the screen is at 46.6" off the floor. So that would equate to the optimal eye level (I think +/- 10% works well here). .............

Guys with all these stands, I have problem where to put center channel.
Looking at 72" screen it can not go above and putting on a shelf below is way too low, plus not enough space for components.
Can someone show a picture with center channel in your set up.

Thank you
Al

papi4baby

05-19-08, 01:11 PM

Bow is when straigh horizontal lines bend up at either end. You can tell in two ways, one is to go into the service menu and get the grid up. The easier way is to pull up an image with a straight line, such as Guide. Look at any straight lines, and see if they look like they may be a little bit arced. As far as I can tell, bowing is caused by the flimsiness of the cabinet. Basically, I think the cabinet is a bit warped inward at the edges and that causes the image to bow. I've verified this because whenprue on the edges of the cabinet backwards, the lines straighten.

Tilt is when the image is tilted. I haven't seen this, but I assume it means the image is tilted off center axis Vertically. So, a straight vertical line may be farther left or right at the top versus bottom. I assume both sides fo the image have the same behavior, tilting to the same side, left or right. This is a guess.

BONUS: Hourglass - best seen on 4:3 content with black bars instead of stretch. You'll notice that the lines that edge the bars are further to the sides in opposite directions (left one left, right one right) at the bottom than the center making it hourglass out.

FYI - my opinion is that if you have not noticed these issues, don't go looking for them. Once you see them, you will focus on them, and if in your normal state of viewing now you don't see them, then all is well. Ignorance is bliss.

Thanks alot, i think mine might have a bit of hourglass, i kind of figure that one out. But i have to like really look, and even then is hard to tell. Besides that, all good here.

Yousty

05-19-08, 01:12 PM

Run to "big river" now - the price just dropped to below $1600. Way less then I paid for my 6187s.

EDIT - I think that shipping is $200 which makes it much less of a deal then I first thought. Sorry.

EDIT#2 - I went to electronics-expo website directly and with shipping my total was still below $1700. So shipping didn't kill the deal after all.

Amazon still has the TV on sale for $1675 with free shipping, they're just out of stock. You can still order it and they'll ship it when they get it back in stock. Amazon still has by far the best price on the TV because when you add in Electronics Expo's $199 shipping charge it comes out to $94 more than Amazon's price.

Bottom line is order it from Amazon to get the best price or try and work some magic at your local BB/CC store to get them to price match.

farzad

05-19-08, 01:50 PM

anyone know if BB is going to carry the sammy 67? i stopped in yesterday the floor guy knew nothing about it. :-/

never even heard of it.

cstrasz

05-19-08, 01:51 PM

Just got the 67 in. So far so good. No noticeable geometry issues with 4:3 up or my tivo guide from what I can see. Now just trying to figure out the firmware. Thing is huge but seems to be perfect for my viewing distance (about 12-13 ft away).

pmh

05-19-08, 02:21 PM

Amazon still has the TV on sale for $1675 with free shipping, they're just out of stock. You can still order it and they'll ship it when they get it back in stock. Amazon still has by far the best price on the TV because when you add in Electronics Expo's $199 shipping charge it comes out to $94 more than Amazon's price.

Bottom line is order it from Amazon to get the best price or try and work some magic at your local BB/CC store to get them to price match.

I was able to do this at BB. They priced match under Amazons price. So, everything factored in, I got the 750 for approx $1780 (tax, next day delivery). They normally don't price match dot coms but the manager did say it was on a case by case basis...so it doesn't hurt to ask!!!

farzad

05-19-08, 02:25 PM

thats a good thing to know. i would think they should price match with dot coms as long as it includes shipping - i mean whats the diff really? CC has the 67 for 2499 but HTS has it for 2099 shipped - CC loses the business. doesnt make sense but i suppose you gotta talk to the manager and not the person on the floor.

millsan1

05-19-08, 02:38 PM

Hey guys.

This is my first post, so please be gentle.

I have been perusing these forums for a couple weeks now, as I was in search of a new set. Wife and I parted ways, but I left all my equipment there, as it is all installed, etc. w/e. I am coming from a 720P projector, which I loved.

I ended up deciding on the 67A750.

I went ot BB on 5/9/08 and paid for my 67. They matched the then best price of $2400. Extended warranty, delivery and tax = $3000.

I took delivery of my set on 5/13/08.

Set is an impressive box, nice looking and very light (85lbs or so?)

When I fired her up, I noticed a distinct "list" in my picture. Unit was sitting on an uneven floor. I used these forums to find the maintanence menu and put up the test pattern, and sure enough, the picture was tilted about 3 degrees. The top test line went up the screen and disappeared about 3/4 the way across.

Called Samsung and they promised to send a tech on 5/16. Long story short, no tech, no call.

Over the weekend, I went to IKEA and picked up some shelves and cabiunets and made my own entertainment system. The set now sits on top of 20.5" of shelving unit and it sits almost exactly at eye level. I like the look of the shelves, etc.

So last night I watched Pirates 3 on Blu-Ray and the picture is shockingly good. Very impressive. I am not a big video guy, I just like good quality. I HATE jaggies, and noticed none.

Now the funny thing, the shelving is level, so now the TV sits level. and guess what? The picture is now perfect. No more "list". When I set it up, initally, my GF said maybe the list was from the uneven floor. We then went and made gross adjustments to the position of the set to see if we could change the list. No go. But when I set it up on the new shelves, I disconnected it from power. This is the only reason I can see for the list to have disappeared.

But in the end, I have a very attractive set, with an amazing picture, at what I consider a very good price.