2008 Samsung DLP's Discussion (HLxxA650/A750) [Text View] - Page 14

mmokc

05-19-08, 06:07 PM

I hate to ask something that's already been asked, but in 109 pages of replies if it's been asked it's buried. I've read a good 40+ pages already.

This TV sounds as though it would be perfect for me, but the geometry issues worry me greatly. A few questions:

1. How are people who are buying these sets from Crutchfield and other online stores dealing with returns in the event of geometry issues? Do you have to re-pack and ship the TV back, or do 'they' handle all of that?

2. Does the vendor (Crutchfield et al) handle these replacements, or do you have to be approved by Samsung first?

3. If geometry issues are a result of stress on the frame, are you risking even a currently-normal set developing these problems with age?

Unfortunately, my situation does not really permit me to get out and into a big box store to purchase one of these, so all my dealings will be online or over the phone. I'm torn between the much better deal at a place like Crutchfield, where I can get a stand as well as skipping the tax and getting a less costly warranty, or getting the set at a local Best Buy or Circuit City on the theory that they would be a better option in the event of geometry issues, though their cost is much higher. (I have little hope of haggling for price matches or anything else over the phone.)

Any insight is appreciated.

Nullman

05-19-08, 07:06 PM

- Should I be using sRGB color mode or normal?

- What's the recommending video settings for use with the PS3? They have color range that lets you specify wide or normal and I wasn't sure what's best for this. Also not sure if I should be turning the white balance on (think that's it).

I know we've PMed, but I thought I'd post my settings here for anyone else that might like them. I tweaked the TV (61A750) using an assortment of DVE, Avia, and known (to me) source material. I'd be curious to see what others are using and I welcome any suggestions. :)

Here are my TV settings for my PS3 connected via HDMI:

Mode: Movie
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 51
Tint (G/R): G49/R51

Detailed Settings:
Black Adjust: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
LED Control: Auto (I have lowered it at night when watching movies if it is too bright)
Gamma: -3
White Balance: 0
Flesh Tone: 0
Edge Enhancement: Off
*xvYCC: Off

Picture Options:
Color Tone: Warm1
Size: Just Scan
Digital NR: Off
DNIe (grayed out): Off
*HDMI Black Level: Normal
Film Mode (grayed out): Off
*Color Gamut: sRGB

My PS3 display settings:
Video Output Settings: 1080p
Cross Color Reduction Filter: Off
RGB Full Range (HDMI): Full
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super White (HDMI): On

My PS3 Blu-ray settings:
Cinema Conversion: Automatic
DVD Wide Display: Letterbox
DVD Upscaler: Normal
BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI): Y Pb/Cb Pe/Cr
BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI): On

Here are my TV settings for my Xbox360 connected via component (no HDMI on this 360):

Mode: Movie
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 48
Tint (G/R): G49/R51

Detailed Settings:
Black Adjust: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
LED Control: Auto
Gamma: -3
White Balance: 0
Flesh Tone: 0
Edge Enhancement: Off
xvYCC: Off

Picture Options:
Color Tone: Warm1
Size: Just Scan
Digital NR: Off
DNIe (grayed out): Off
HDMI Black Level (grayed out): Normal
Film Mode: Off
Color Gamut: Wide

Last, but not least my settings for normal TV viewing from an HD-DVR/Cable box connected via HDMI:

Mode: Standard
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 53
Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint (G/R): G48/R52

Detailed Settings:
Black Adjust: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Low
LED Control: Auto
Gamma: 0
White Balance: 0
Flesh Tone: 0
Edge Enhancement: Off
xvYCC (Grayed out): Off

Picture Options:
Color Tone: Normal
Size: Just Scan
Digital NR: Off
DNIe (grayed out): Off
HDMI Black Level: Low
Film Mode (grayed out): Off
Color Gamut: sRGB

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Update - *Changed 3 PS3 Settings and added BD/DVD Settings:
xvYCC to off as no content currently uses this color gamut and I did notice a slight change in color
HDMI Black Level to Normal. This is what the TV will default to when playing Blu-ray and DVD, which I used to set black level. I want the same blacks for PS3 dashboard and games.
BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) to Y Pb/Cb Pe/C. I believe this is what Automatic was selecting has been report in other Samsung/PS3 posts as the best option.
Color Gamut was selectable after the above changes, previously is was grayed out. I set it to sRGB.

benezrj

05-19-08, 08:18 PM

Hi. My son just purchased the A650 model (61 inches) and I'm going to hook up his cable box (SA 4200HD) and his DVD player (Sony - not sure of model but it's progressive scan with component out - no HDMI). What is the native resolution of the A650? Should the DVD player output 480p or 480i? Which is best for the TV to do the upconversion? What about the HD cable box i.e., let the native resolution of the channel being watched passed through to the TV? or set the box to 1080i? 720P? (I told him to make sure he gets the 4200HD cable box with an HDMI output).

I have a Mits 65907 (CRT rear projection HD) hooked up with my SA4200HD (component) and my Denon 2900 DVD player (component) so I'm a bit old fashioned and need to get up to speed with this digital stuff. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeff

tsopranos

05-19-08, 09:22 PM

I just bought the 67A750 @ BB. They price matched Tweeter/Sound Advice @ $2199. I purchased the 4 yr. warranty for $400, pricey...but it's peace of mind. I don't feel as bad about that considering the adjustment in price for the TV.

They also gave me a 10% off voucher to be used on a TV stand since the one I was looking at wasn't in stock. $2768 when it was all said and done. Got around $50 from the Reward points too. Not a bad deal at all.

It will be in on the 22nd, so I'll post some pics when I get a chance.

moonhawk

05-19-08, 09:54 PM

Hey guys.

This is my first post, so please be gentle.

I have been perusing these forums for a couple weeks now, as I was in search of a new set. Wife and I parted ways, but I left all my equipment there, as it is all installed, etc. w/e. I am coming from a 720P projector, which I loved.

I ended up deciding on the 67A750.

I went ot BB on 5/9/08 and paid for my 67. They matched the then best price of $2400. Extended warranty, delivery and tax = $3000.

I took delivery of my set on 5/13/08.

Set is an impressive box, nice looking and very light (85lbs or so?)

When I fired her up, I noticed a distinct "list" in my picture. Unit was sitting on an uneven floor. I used these forums to find the maintanence menu and put up the test pattern, and sure enough, the picture was tilted about 3 degrees. The top test line went up the screen and disappeared about 3/4 the way across.

Called Samsung and they promised to send a tech on 5/16. Long story short, no tech, no call.

Over the weekend, I went to IKEA and picked up some shelves and cabiunets and made my own entertainment system. The set now sits on top of 20.5" of shelving unit and it sits almost exactly at eye level. I like the look of the shelves, etc.

So last night I watched Pirates 3 on Blu-Ray and the picture is shockingly good. Very impressive. I am not a big video guy, I just like good quality. I HATE jaggies, and noticed none.

Now the funny thing, the shelving is level, so now the TV sits level. and guess what? The picture is now perfect. No more "list". When I set it up, initally, my GF said maybe the list was from the uneven floor. We then went and made gross adjustments to the position of the set to see if we could change the list. No go. But when I set it up on the new shelves, I disconnected it from power. This is the only reason I can see for the list to have disappeared.

But in the end, I have a very attractive set, with an amazing picture, at what I consider a very good price.

Damn good report, first post or no...

DolfanJay

05-19-08, 09:57 PM

FRANK THE TANK

05-19-08, 10:00 PM

I know we've PMed, but I thought I'd post my settings here for anyone else that might like them. I tweaked the TV (61A750) using an assortment of DVE, Avia, and known (to me) source material. I'd be curious to see what others are using and I welcome any suggestions. :)

I would like to know other's settings on a A650, as I'm sure the LED would make a difference.

missrunt

05-19-08, 10:19 PM

Do you all think that the image quality of the 67" will match that of the 61"? Will it be as bright? I'm thinking that the 61" set looks a lot less imposing in my living room, but if the 67" image quality is as good, it may be tempting.....

Then again, I only sit 9ft away.

My 67" has been running almost non-stop since Saturday evening with no issues and a great picture after using some of the 61" settings in the FAQ topic on this board.

Bright enough for any normal human!

Just waiting on the DLP-2 Wall mounts to get here, so we can hang the beast.

HDNet and things filmed in true HD look amazing, not to mention my HD-DVD's via Xbox and HDMI.

Peace
MR

cstrasz

05-20-08, 01:06 AM

I've been toying around with my 67a750 for the better part of the evening. Had friends over and we've just been trying out playstation 3 games, xbox 360 games and blu ray. While I consider myself technically savvy, I'm no where near the A/V guru that some other folks are so take that into consideration :).

Long story short, I love the set so far. The picture quality is amazing in my eyes and pretty much everything I could have hoped for.

The set arrived this morning through crutchfield and the white glove service was excellent and on time.

Out the box the picture was adequate but needed some tweaking. It had the latest firmware installed as well and the build date was 4/4 I believe. I've only changed settings based on Nullman's recommendations so far but I'll be doing some calibrating with the DVE blu ray later this week and using a spyder 2 that I picked up.

I don't see any noticeable geometry issues at all both horizontally or vertically. Is it possible that it's there? Sure, but I have paid a bit of attention and I don't see it. I also have not seen any reflection so far in the top part of the screen nor the silk screen effect I've heard some folks mention (although that may be due to sitting 12-13 feet away). I've checked out the set from a good 6 or 7 feet and still don't see it, so maybe that's just me. No rainbow effect at all for myself or any of the 5 folks I had over.

I can't comment on the audio since I have the set running my receiver and have no need for the tv speakers.

Attached are a few pics. Sorry for the horrible quality - it's hard to take pictures of this at night, let alone pictures that can really illustrate how beautiful the picture is on this thing. The image shows some slight red push but rest assured I don't see that in actual viewing. My friends keep talking about the little details they see in planet earth and other blu rays that they are just amazed. And the set seems like a perfect size for the viewing distance. I'm a happy camper so far!

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7662/dlp01oe6.jpg

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7725/dlp02xf4.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6338/dlp03ob9.jpg

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2973/dlp04tq5.jpg

fenderstrat

05-20-08, 06:22 AM

missrunt was right. I am thinking about taking my 61 back for the 67.

One thing I would like to mention here alot of people are talking about what stand would fit there TV, But an equally important issue are your componants like speakers,receivers and subs. I bought a very nice stand put it all together and found out my receiver was too tall so measure those also.

Zyeox

05-20-08, 07:40 AM

Anybody have the information on how wide the pedestal is on the bottom of the 61" tv? I tried looking for it all over and I can't find it. Thanks.

theranman

05-20-08, 08:20 AM

I can see that a center channel is gonna be somewhat of a challenge to mount for these sets...especially a properly oriented vertical one. Hmmm...may have to do without.

NismoZ

05-20-08, 09:29 AM

Anybody have the information on how wide the pedestal is on the bottom of the 61" tv? I tried looking for it all over and I can't find it. Thanks.

39 Inches for the 61.

People with the 67, please measure yours and post back here please.

Zyeox

05-20-08, 09:34 AM

39 Inches for the 61.

People with the 67, please measure yours and post back here please.

Thanks!!! :)

tsopranos

05-20-08, 09:42 AM

39 Inches for the 61.

People with the 67, please measure yours and post back here please.

Haven't got mine yet, but according to Crutchfield, the dimensions of the pedestal/base is the same for the 67". 39-1/4"W x 13-5/8"D

Dude2000theman

05-20-08, 10:47 AM

I can see that a center channel is gonna be somewhat of a challenge to mount for these sets...especially a properly oriented vertical one. Hmmm...may have to do without.

I have the 61a750. I bought the omni mount version. My center channel fits perfectly on top. I have a Polk Audio C30i. ...At least I believe that is the model number. anyway, it weighs about 18 - 20 lbs or something.

I'll try to post a picture when I get home.

P.S. HERE (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OmniMount-Center-Channel-Speaker-Shelf-Black-CCH1B/sem/rpsm/oid/108951/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do) is what I use...

NDRugby

05-20-08, 11:04 AM

I have the 61a750. I bought the omni mount version. My center channel fits perfectly on top. I have a Polk Audio C30i. ...At least I believe that is the model number. anyway, it weighs about 18 - 20 lbs or something.

I'll try to post a picture when I get home.

P.S. HERE (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OmniMount-Center-Channel-Speaker-Shelf-Black-CCH1B/sem/rpsm/oid/108951/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do) is what I use...

Thanks Dude. How visible/annoying are the little legs that come down over the front of the cabinet? Additionally, do you find the center being that high up to be an issue at all? I'm trying to decide if that should be the route, or if the center should go below the TV, but pointed up (since most centers have a slanted cabinet to allow for this. I'm just concerned that below puts the center down at about 12" off the ground, which is less than ideal.

Al_HiFi

05-20-08, 11:23 AM

Thanks Dude. How visible/annoying are the little legs that come down over the front of the cabinet? Additionally, do you find the center being that high up to be an issue at all? I'm trying to decide if that should be the route, or if the center should go below the TV, but pointed up (since most centers have a slanted cabinet to allow for this. I'm just concerned that below puts the center down at about 12" off the ground, which is less than ideal.

While it has 30lb capacity, with so common geometry issues on these sets it may be asking for a trouble after few weeks.

It may be a solution for 61" sets but for 67" and 72" no way to get proper soundfield.

As an alternative I thought of getting an optional extra shelf on my Salamander shelf or using those wall mounts to raise above the stand with speaker channel and few components on top.
With these configuration center cahnnel will be around 20" high for proper sound.

Nice to have receiver based set up, but with elaborate sound system and separates it is a challenge to fit it properly.

donb1948

05-20-08, 11:30 AM

While it has 30lb capacity, with so common geometry issues on these sets it may be asking for a trouble after few weeks.
There were one or two reports (and warnings) with last years HL-T's of frame sag after a period of using this type of mounting. FWIW.

cstrasz

05-20-08, 11:35 AM

While it has 30lb capacity, with so common geometry issues on these sets it may be asking for a trouble after few weeks.

It may be a solution for 61" sets but for 67" and 72" no way to get proper soundfield.

As an alternative I thought of getting an optional extra shelf on my Salamander shelf or using those wall mounts to raise above the stand with speaker channel and few components on top.
With these configuration center cahnnel will be around 20" high for proper sound.

Nice to have receiver based set up, but with elaborate sound system and separates it is a challenge to fit it properly.

Is there a maximum height you don't want a center to go beyond? I have no idea where I can put the center speaker for my set since the thing is so damn tall. If I were to place a shelf above the 67, would this be too high? I can't place it underneath since the stand doesn't have a spot that would allow it to sit dead center. And I do not want to place it on top of the tv to prevent long term issues but having a shelf built on the wall isn't an issue.

tribbler

05-20-08, 11:50 AM

I bought the 61A750 yesterday. Watched it last night. NO rainbows....great picture. I was loving life. This morning I woke up to play some Oblivion on the PS3 and I was greeted by a little message that says "Check Fan No. 3." After a minute or so it shuts off. Hopefully they can come out and repair it soon.

Has anyone else ran into the Check Fan thing??? If its an easy fix, I'll do it myself. I have the tools and expertise, just not the service manual.

cstrasz

05-20-08, 11:51 AM

I read about someone else having that same error. They mentioned just 'dealing with it' but never heard much beyond that.

donb1948

05-20-08, 12:13 PM

Just had a good experience with local BB in exchanging my HL56A650 due to geometry problems (smiley face, pin cushion and slightly bent right side frame).

Truefully, the distortion, which was observable with some dvds and 4:3 programming) was more of a nuisance rather than a problem. If I were involved with the content, everthing was fine. But, if my eyes wandered up, all I could visualize was that ever so slight "smile."

Everyone I spoke with at BB said to exchange it if I were not happy, even though they warned (and I understood) that getting a "good" one was a roll of the dice. The manager even said that he believed the manufacturers now viewed the dlps as "bargain" units (best screen real estate to cost ratio) and, regardless of how good the technology is, were not putting as much into quality construction, etc. He actually said that the manufacturers believe that people seeking bargains would not be as picky about quality. He advised if I wanted to stay with a dlp, just keep returning it until I got a good one.

Anyway, the real problem started when they tried to put the exchange into their computer. I bought the set on the 17th of April and it was delivered on the 25th of April. As far as the 30-day return was concerned, the computer insisted that I was outside the policy window (today is the 20th!) and would not allow the exchange to be entered. A manager came up with a convoluted work around where they listed my set and warranty as a return with a gift card issued for the total amount and then ordered the new set on the gift card. BB is scheduled to delivery the new and pick up the old on the 23rd. 30-day return period also restarts. I'm happy.:)

Broncogeek

05-20-08, 12:16 PM

Another stupid question

All of the settings being listed......why does everyone have the "EDGE ENHANCEMENT" turned off? I personally think it looks a lot better with it on.

donb1948

05-20-08, 12:23 PM

Is there a maximum height you don't want a center to go beyond? I have no idea where I can put the center speaker for my set since the thing is so damn tall. If I were to place a shelf above the 67, would this be too high? I can't place it underneath since the stand doesn't have a spot that would allow it to sit dead center. And I do not want to place it on top of the tv to prevent long term issues but having a shelf built on the wall isn't an issue.The key consideration is whether the sound appears to be coming from the screen. I have positioned the center speaker both above and below the screen. After equalizing speaker volumes, correcting for the difference in distance to the speakers in the different postitions and touching up frequency equalization a bit (due to different environments), I could not tell the difference in the two positions. If the speaker is placed above the unit, you want to ensure that the front of the speaker is as close as possible to being in the same plane as the screen. Placing the speaker behind the screen (even if it is above the screen) can be problematic. (Edit: Also, when the speaker is below the screen, it should be angled up and angled down if above the screen.)

prophetizer

05-20-08, 12:34 PM

Another stupid question

All of the settings being listed......why does everyone have the "EDGE ENHANCEMENT" turned off? I personally think it looks a lot better with it on.

i agree it looks better, but also, calibration of the set also depends on what the viewer likes best as well.

Al_HiFi

05-20-08, 12:44 PM

Is there a maximum height you don't want a center to go beyond? I have no idea where I can put the center speaker for my set since the thing is so damn tall. If I were to place a shelf above the 67, would this be too high? I can't place it underneath since the stand doesn't have a spot that would allow it to sit dead center. And I do not want to place it on top of the tv to prevent long term issues but having a shelf built on the wall isn't an issue.

Center speaker generally should be within 2 feet vertically from your main speakers to have a chance of creating proper soundfield.
Putting it on a wall and tilting could be a compromise of functionality, but getting it on top or above of 72" DLP sets it will be way too high for proper sound (unless you watch TV standing giving ovations to it's performance), not to menthion looking ugly on top of "floating" thin frame of DLP.

It applies even strongly to people with somewhat hi-end speakers, since none of them are small and light.

That wall mounted solution is getting intriguing. Anyone can show it in action?

Nullman

05-20-08, 02:19 PM

Another stupid question

All of the settings being listed......why does everyone have the "EDGE ENHANCEMENT" turned off? I personally think it looks a lot better with it on.

If you think it looks better by all means turn in on. I don't like it because it adds an artificial enhancement to edges that is not in the source material. Have you brought up a sharpness test pattern and looked at the difference with it on and off? Personally, I always have it off because of the effect (bad) that is has on text in some video games.

vipermansa

05-20-08, 02:34 PM

STR3T

05-20-08, 03:06 PM

Anybody recommned HTS for the 67"? What a great price...any experience with that shop?

Edit: per post 3153, HTS has a pretty poor return policy. Probably not the best idea for a large set like this (and with as many returns as apprarently the DLP's are having). But I'd still like to hear if anybody has bought a set thru Home Theater Store. Only 7 reviews noted on ResellerRatings

cstrasz

05-20-08, 03:07 PM

Does anyone have a 360 hooked up to these sets via VGA? If so, can you tell me what settings you're using? My image doesn't look anywhere near as crisp as the PS3 through HDMI and I have changed the 360 to have expanded color range.

BATman94

05-20-08, 03:19 PM

While is seems like the less-sexier DLPs are being put in the corner of the retailers TV section now, are they really starting to be poor quality builds? I'm hearing that the Mits RPTV LaserVue is going to go for $4K (that includes a reported 50% premium for having "lasers"). So what is the premium mark-up for wall-mounted LCDs/Plasmas with their own issues?...or are the LCDs/Plasmas truly better build quality (hardware/circuitry, etc.)?

Just had a good experience with local BB in exchanging my HL56A650 due to geometry problems (smiley face, pin cushion and slightly bent right side frame).

Truefully, the distortion, which was observable with some dvds and 4:3 programming) was more of a nuisance rather than a problem. If I were involved with the content, everthing was fine. But, if my eyes wandered up, all I could visualize was that ever so slight "smile."

Everyone I spoke with at BB said to exchange it if I were not happy, even though they warned (and I understood) that getting a "good" one was a roll of the dice. The manager even said that he believed the manufacturers now viewed the dlps as "bargain" units (best screen real estate to cost ratio) and, regardless of how good the technology is, were not putting as much into quality construction, etc. He actually said that the manufacturers believe that people seeking bargains would not be as picky about quality. He advised if I wanted to stay with a dlp, just keep returning it until I got a good one.

Anyway, the real problem started when they tried to put the exchange into their computer. I bought the set on the 17th of April and it was delivered on the 25th of April. As far as the 30-day return was concerned, the computer insisted that I was outside the policy window (today is the 20th!) and would not allow the exchange to be entered. A manager came up with a convoluted work around where they listed my set and warranty as a return with a gift card issued for the total amount and then ordered the new set on the gift card. BB is scheduled to delivery the new and pick up the old on the 23rd. 30-day return period also restarts. I'm happy.:)

Zyeox

05-20-08, 04:05 PM

I am not positive if these are "Bargain Units" per say. They sure seem to be lower in price than some of the other tv's but what I have noticed with this technology is that the manufactures do tend to fluctuate the price of the units. I have been keeping track on this thread as I am in the market for a new TV. I have heard a lot of good reviews on this TV over other TV's. So go to the store and if it is in the corner and it is a bargain TV and it looks great you just got yourself a deal. Oh and "No one puts baby in the corner!!" LOL!!! :p:D

theranman

05-20-08, 04:09 PM

I've come to the conclusion that integrating a properly oriented center channel is next to impossible with sets this large. I use the same speaker as my left/right mains for the center channel. It is a 13" high active monitor bookshelf, capable of some serious crankage, but its size really necessitates the use of a low stand, then aiming the speaker upwards toward the listening position. I think I'll probably just use stereo mains and toe them in just a wee bit more, so that the central image is more solid. Oh well...we all must compromise. If I didn't love my speakers so much, I'd get some OrbAudio.com or Roundsound.com balls, which can be placed right above or below the screen without being so obtrusive.

tallen94

05-20-08, 04:23 PM

New poster here. Just hooked up my 61a750 last night and tried playing a PS3 game to compare it to my other samsung lcd. When PS3 started up the display said 1080..... then when the game came up it wasn't 1080 anymore. So I then changed the picture size on the TV from 16:9 to something else (forgot the name) and it seemed to look much better.
Did I do the right thing?? Any help on this. It is hooked up thru hdmi cables.
Thanks

On the PS3, each game can specify which resolutions the game will support. Most games on the PS3 will only run up to a resolution of 720p with only a handful supporting 1080p. Your game switched resolutions from 1080p for the dashboard to 720p. Once you quit the game, it will go back to 1080p. This is a little different compared to the 360 where you set a single resolution on the dashboard and the 360 will only output that resolution for games. So if you set your 360 for 1080p, any game that can't support that resolution will have its output upconverted by the internal hardware scaler so your tv never has to change its input settings.

missrunt

05-20-08, 04:38 PM

39 Inches for the 61.

People with the 67, please measure yours and post back here please.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13891620#post13891620

Peace
MR

intersys

05-20-08, 05:08 PM

Sure wish I would have waited.......got my 61a750 from CC on 3/26

Wish I could exchange for the 67a750 for about the same price I paid but its beyond 30 days....... :(

EHUPP01

05-20-08, 05:37 PM

BATman94

05-20-08, 05:40 PM

Coming from a SD RPTV (essentially giant box) I just put the shielded center speaker on top of the TV itself. These posts made me realize I'm gonna have to mount my current speaker somewhere if I get the HL67A750. My old SD (50'' Hitachi) had a feater that allowed you to use the TV speakers as the center channel. Obviously, those speakers weren't the same quality, but at least they were in the right spot.

I've come to the conclusion that integrating a properly oriented center channel is next to impossible with sets this large. I use the same speaker as my left/right mains for the center channel. It is a 13" high active monitor bookshelf, capable of some serious crankage, but its size really necessitates the use of a low stand, then aiming the speaker upwards toward the listening position. I think I'll probably just use stereo mains and toe them in just a wee bit more, so that the central image is more solid. Oh well...we all must compromise. If I didn't love my speakers so much, I'd get some OrbAudio.com or Roundsound.com balls, which can be placed right above or below the screen without being so obtrusive.

millsan1

05-20-08, 05:45 PM

Dude2000theman

05-20-08, 05:47 PM

While it has 30lb capacity, with so common geometry issues on these sets it may be asking for a trouble after few weeks.

It may be a solution for 61" sets but for 67" and 72" no way to get proper soundfield.

As an alternative I thought of getting an optional extra shelf on my Salamander shelf or using those wall mounts to raise above the stand with speaker channel and few components on top.
With these configuration center cahnnel will be around 20" high for proper sound.

Nice to have receiver based set up, but with elaborate sound system and separates it is a challenge to fit it properly.

Interestingly enough, there actually seems to be very little pressure on the rear portion which hangs down and touches the back of the TV. In fact, it is quite easy to accidently swivel the rear pegs that are resting on the back of the TV. Not sure how this can be. Basically most of the weight seems to be on the front of the mount which is resting on the top structural area around the TV. There is no noticable deformation on the screen.

I cannot speak for someone who may be having trouble with a 67" or 72". But from what I am experiencing with this set, I can't see there being a big issue with excess preasure.

BTW, having the speaker on top sounds fine to me. But, my front mains are probably less than a foot lower.

Again, I will try to post some picks when I get home. :)

millsan1

05-20-08, 05:50 PM

As for location of speaker, as you can see in my pic, it is offset to the left in my installation. I have a pretty high end AV receiver (Yamaha 3800) which has an auto calibrate, using a microphone and test tones. Once I calibrated it, the center sound comes from the middle of the screen.

cstrasz

05-20-08, 05:54 PM

Are there any blu rays out that do 3d? I remember hearing 3d for things like Beowulf and Monster House but I wasn't sure if that was separate 3d and using cheesy glasses versus the samsung tech.

missrunt

05-20-08, 05:55 PM

Sure wish I would have waited.......got my 61a750 from CC on 3/26

Wish I could exchange for the 67a750 for about the same price I paid but its beyond 30 days....... :(

I'd still take advantage of the 60 day price match before it's too late though!

L8R
MR

theranman

05-20-08, 06:00 PM

intersys

05-20-08, 06:28 PM

Unfortunately, CC is only a 30 day price match

I'd still take advantage of the 60 day price match before it's too late though!

L8R
MR

ztkp01

05-20-08, 06:43 PM

missrunt

05-20-08, 07:21 PM

Unfortunately, CC is only a 30 day price match

Wonder why my salesman said it was 60 days???

Peace
MR

Dude2000theman

05-20-08, 07:32 PM

Ok here is my Omnimount center channel stand...
FRONT (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n51/Lt_Buttercup/sm_Front.jpg?t=1211325894)
LIP (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n51/Lt_Buttercup/sm_Lip.jpg?t=1211326154)
REAR (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n51/Lt_Buttercup/sm_Rear.jpg?t=1211326193)

I know! I know! My TV needs some serious dusting. :(

And I am planning on mounting the antena up in the attick. :)

NDRugby

05-20-08, 08:55 PM

HL72A650 now listed as In Stock at B&H for $2,495 + 135 delivery, no tax.

Teknomedic

05-20-08, 08:57 PM

Al_HiFi

05-20-08, 09:30 PM

HL72A650 now listed as In Stock at B&H for $2,495 + 135 delivery, no tax.

Big River put it at $2299.
If you check Samsung website in description it is listed at $2299 MSRP as well.
Good news.

NDRugby

05-20-08, 09:33 PM

Big River put it at $2299.
If you check Samsung website in description it is listed at $2299 MSRP as well.
Good news.

Wow that must have just happened it had been $2999 all day on Big River. I'll take a 72" TV for $2300, thank you very much.

And Big River quotes 23% off, despite Samsung's price being $2299. Must have been that Sammie started at $2999, told everyone that's what it would likely be, and then changed their mind.

Al_HiFi

05-20-08, 09:40 PM

Wow that must have just happened it had been $2999 all day on Big River. I'll take a 72" TV for $2300, thank you very much.

And Big River quotes 23% off, despite Samsung's price being $2299. Must have been that Sammie started at $2999, told everyone that's what it would likely be, and then changed their mind.

NDRugby,
I noticed you were looking to choose between 72 Sam and 73 Mitsu.
Don't you want to wait to see them in person, or price on Sammy is too good to even think about?

NDRugby

05-20-08, 09:44 PM

NDRugby,
I noticed you were looking to choose between 72 Sam and 73 Mitsu.
Don't you want to wait to see them in person, or price on Sammy is too good to even think about?
Honestly, I should wait. I have seen the Mits vs the 61A650. Honestly, I think the Sammie may have been just as good, and this price would be almost $1000 less than the Mits. I think the Sammie PQ is great, and I'll take saving that kind of cash. Especially since I was expecting to spend $3G on the HTL-7288W when I started looking and then decided to wait almost 4 months for this set.

I'm getting impatient. In reality, I should wait for the Mits Laser to make the full comparison, but I don't think I want to spend $4G plus.

Al_HiFi

05-20-08, 09:59 PM

Honestly, I should wait. I have seen the Mits vs the 61A650. Honestly, I think the Sammie may have been just as good, and this price would be almost $1000 less than the Mits. I think the Sammie PQ is great, and I'll take saving that kind of cash. Especially since I was expecting to spend $3G on the HTL-7288W when I started looking and then decided to wait almost 4 months for this set.

I'm getting impatient. In reality, I should wait for the Mits Laser to make the full comparison, but I don't think I want to spend $4G plus.

Such bold move on pricing would certainly affect Mitsu pricing. We should see all cards in open in less than two weeks.
I am in the same boat, but laser may wait for second generation due to big delay in 73" and suppose to be very high $$.

NDRugby

05-20-08, 10:05 PM

Such bold move on pricing would certainly affect Mitsu pricing. We should see all cards in open in less than two weeks.
I am in the same boat, but laser may wait for second generation due to big delay in 73" and suppose to be very high $$.

Good call. I'll wait a bit longer. Plus, waiting could mean the retailers get it (along with using a 10% coupon) and eTailers may drop it further.

Addition: I chatted with a live rep at Crutchfield and asked why their price was 700 over list at Samsung and the Big River price. Guy said he will email merchandising tomorrow and email me back. We'll see if they drop it tomorrow.

millsan1

05-20-08, 11:30 PM

Is that the 61" or 67" set? I'm guessing the 61", yes?

Nope, that is a 67.

guapote

05-20-08, 11:59 PM

Does anyone know if the new 72 incher has the latest dark chip 4 in it?

arthurvino

05-21-08, 12:08 AM

Thats a million dollar question.

Does anyone know if the new 72 incher has the latest dark chip 4 in it?

cstrasz

05-21-08, 12:48 AM

*** HL-67A750 Owners ***

I know it might be a little early to be asking these... but if you can test or answer please do....

Have any of you noticed if there's the "black bar bleeding" with bright objects displayed like on the 61"? (when watching a movie with the black bars on top/bottom, do bright white objects "bleed" into the bar when they're near the top?)

Also, have any of you found problems like Xbox 360 1080p over component, screen blanking, power off issues and the like??

I currently have the 61", but am probably going to exchange for the 67"... (I have to do it by the end of tomorrow, lol)... so if anyone knows anything about the set please give us the heads up. :)

TK.

Haven't noticed the reflection in the black bar but then again, haven't seen a ton of movies with black bars yet. Everything I've seen so far hasn't shown it though.

Running xbox 360 through vga so can't comment on the 1080p over component. No power off issues though as that's been addressed with the latest firmware which was already installed.

missrunt

05-21-08, 12:59 AM

*** HL-67A750 Owners ***

I know it might be a little early to be asking these... but if you can test or answer please do....

Have any of you noticed if there's the "black bar bleeding" with bright objects displayed like on the 61"? (when watching a movie with the black bars on top/bottom, do bright white objects "bleed" into the bar when they're near the top?)

Also, have any of you found problems like Xbox 360 1080p over component, screen blanking, power off issues and the like??

I currently have the 61", but am probably going to exchange for the 67"... (I have to do it by the end of tomorrow, lol)... so if anyone knows anything about the set please give us the heads up. :)

TK.

Have not noticed anything disturbing about this set, black bars with reflection, hourglass, tilt, etc.

Using 360 with HDMI for hours without a single issue.

Peace
MR

05-21-08, 08:14 AM

I'd like to ask how the viewing angles are on these new LED DLP's. Specifically the 61".

Since I often like to lay on the floor while watching movies, vertical viewing angles are very important to me. When I was in the market for my last HDTV I noticed the Samsung DLP's had a pretty significant shift in brightness/contrast as I went from eye-level to floor-level. I was just wondering if the new LED light engine would help correct that at all.

I'm currently using a 34" Sony CRT - so I'm a little spoiled in that regard right now. I'll most likely notice even minor shifts and it will bother me.

Thanks.

Dude2000theman

05-21-08, 08:19 AM

farzad

05-21-08, 08:55 AM

Does anyone know if the new 72 incher has the latest dark chip 4 in it?

doesnt look like it based upon this Samsung Spec Sheet PDF
(http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/05/16/hl72a650c1fxza/hl72A650_spec.pdf)

Cinema Smooth™ Light Engine
Samsung is the worldwide leader in creating
light engines that harness DLP® HDTV
technology from Texas Instruments.
Samsung’s Cinema Smooth light engine
brings together the right optics, electronic
circuitry and replaceable light source to
create a brilliant picture that’s more lifelike
and much closer to film. In its sixth year of
evolution, Samsung’s Cinema Smooth light
engine delivers crisp, 1080p High Definition
resolution with high contrast and brightness,
defined edges and sharp detail.
Next Generation DLP® Chips from
Texas Instruments Samsung employs
a Texas Instruments DLP® chip that is
comprised of millions of microscopic
mirrors. The DLP® chip is faster than any
other HDTV technology, with the mirrors
switching on & off 15,000 times a second
to deliver a razor-sharp picture for fast
moving images. When combined with
Samsung’s new Cinema Smooth light
engine, the result is a crisp, bright picture
with deep, rich colors that’s closer to film.
3D HD ready. Samsung DLP® HDTVs are
capable of displaying future 3D games,
movies, and other programming via 3D
compatible glasses and hardware.
DNIe™ The Samsung Digital Natural
Image engine. This exclusive Samsung
technology dramatically improves the
picture by enhancing the contrast, detail,
white balance and reduces noise.
Analog and full digital ATSC/NTSC
tuners with Clear QAM
Picture-in-Picture (PIP) enables
convenient simultaneous viewing of TV
programs and video or PC sources.
SRS TruSurround XT™. TruSurround is
a patented SRS technology that solves
the problem of playing 5.1 multichannel
content over two speakers. TruSurround
delivers a compelling, virtual surround
sound experience through any twospeaker
playback system, including
internal television speakers and
headphones. It is fully compatible with all
multichannel formats up to 5.1 channels.
Entertainment Mode allows customized
picture settings, optimized for different
content (e.g., sports, movies, gaming).

no mention of that chip.

videobruce

05-21-08, 09:17 AM

gab09026

05-21-08, 09:17 AM

farzad

05-21-08, 09:27 AM

milwaukee CC said 60 days as well.

Dude2000theman

05-21-08, 10:57 AM

Thanks Dude. How visible/annoying are the little legs that come down over the front of the cabinet? Additionally, do you find the center being that high up to be an issue at all? I'm trying to decide if that should be the route, or if the center should go below the TV, but pointed up (since most centers have a slanted cabinet to allow for this. I'm just concerned that below puts the center down at about 12" off the ground, which is less than ideal.

You know after looking at the advertised picture on the original LINK (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OmniMount-Center-Channel-Speaker-Shelf-Black-CCH1B/sem/rpsm/oid/108951/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do) I posted, I realize now that I have mine stand upside down. LOL! But it works great that way. And that is how i don't need the two front pegs.

And in case you missed the pix I posted, here they are again...
FRONT (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n51/Lt_Buttercup/sm_Front.jpg?t=1211325894)
LIP (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n51/Lt_Buttercup/sm_Lip.jpg?t=1211326154)
REAR (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n51/Lt_Buttercup/sm_Rear.jpg?t=1211326193)

bmann29

05-21-08, 11:05 AM

I have my co-worker sold on this TV and we are going to the BB to purchase one. I may get one off crutchfield because I get the free stand and shipping. I am going to go wheel and deal! :)

turls

05-21-08, 11:24 AM

to the person who said that CC has only the 30 day price match--I was at a CC in Delaware and they told me it was only a 30 day price match..then this past week I was in Jersey and the guy there told me it was a 60 day price match..I'm not sure if this is specific to the area or if one of the employees was confused..it is worth looking into though..

60 days on HDTVs, but it is somewhat YMMV, I think someone posted here a week or so ago that took advantage of it, but you are supposed to show an "advertised" price from a local competitor to get the discount. BB and CC keep lowering the price but I haven't seen this model in a sale flyer since the price dropped.

My window runs out this weekend so I am going to call them today or tomorrow.

turls

05-21-08, 11:28 AM

*** HL-67A750 Owners ***

I know it might be a little early to be asking these... but if you can test or answer please do....

Have any of you noticed if there's the "black bar bleeding" with bright objects displayed like on the 61"? (when watching a movie with the black bars on top/bottom, do bright white objects "bleed" into the bar when they're near the top?)

Also, have any of you found problems like Xbox 360 1080p over component, screen blanking, power off issues and the like??

Uhh, actually not early but way late. You might want to review this thread or at least the owner's thread. That one is only 3 pages long right now.

These are all known issues. You might need newer firmware. Easy answer on 360--use VGA instead. You might find a Toys R Else near you with $10 VGA cables still. Or if you stay component, use only 1080i.

turls

05-21-08, 11:31 AM

doesnt look like it based upon this Samsung Spec Sheet PDF
(http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/05/16/hl72a650c1fxza/hl72A650_spec.pdf)
no mention of that chip.

TI supposedly tells companies not to say what chip is being used. You've committed some falacy of logic here, but its been too long since my logic class ;)

turls

05-21-08, 11:34 AM

Two questions;
1. None of these (450, 550, 650 & 750 series) have 2 RF inputs anymore?
2. The hot spotting and poor blacks (worse than LCD's) aren't a issue with you owners as reported in many respected reviews?

And what is this geometry issue?

No on the 2 RF inputs AFAIK. What reviews? There haven't been reviews on the new sets yet. If you are looking at last years sets reviews don't rely on them. I've had my set for almost 2 months, great blacks, and no hint of hot spot.

What geometry issue? The same geometry issues crap-shoot on Sammy DLP since day 1, if you are just talking general geometry issues.

NDRugby

05-21-08, 11:42 AM

60 days on HDTVs, but it is somewhat YMMV, I think someone posted here a week or so ago that took advantage of it, but you are supposed to show an "advertised" price from a local competitor to get the discount. BB and CC keep lowering the price but I haven't seen this model in a sale flyer since the price dropped.

My window runs out this weekend so I am going to call them today or tomorrow.
So they don't consider posting the price in their own store or on their own site as an advertised price?

My price match runs out this weekend too, so I need to try it.

intersys

05-21-08, 11:49 AM

Hipnotiq

05-21-08, 12:22 PM

NDRugby

05-21-08, 12:40 PM

I called CC Customer Support last night - first CSR insisted it was 30 days for price matching and 60 days for returns. I asked to speak to a manager and was disconnected. Called back, got a different CSR, he said it was 60 days and did the price match for me by phone.

Thanks. I just called and got it price matched over phone. However, they will not count the coupon towards the new price. So basically, they take the price after coupon on the initial purchase and compare that to the current price without coupon.

Still a good deal (like found money), even though it's not as good as if you bought today with the coupon.

Did you have the same experience?

cstrasz

05-21-08, 12:51 PM

You know after looking at the advertised picture on the original LINK (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OmniMount-Center-Channel-Speaker-Shelf-Black-CCH1B/sem/rpsm/oid/108951/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do) I posted, I realize now that I have mine stand upside down. LOL! But it works great that way. And that is how i don't need the two front pegs.

And in case you missed the pix I posted, here they are again...
FRONT (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n51/Lt_Buttercup/sm_Front.jpg?t=1211325894)
LIP (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n51/Lt_Buttercup/sm_Lip.jpg?t=1211326154)
REAR (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n51/Lt_Buttercup/sm_Rear.jpg?t=1211326193)

How much pressure is being applied at the top of the frame with this stand? It looks like a good center placement but I'd be worried about long term issues with geometry as a result of placing it there.

DarthAVS

05-21-08, 01:07 PM

The fan noise on my 61A750 is not very audible (I am not complaining). Is this normal? Should it run after the TV shuts off? I don't hear anything running from the TV after I turn it off. I have an older Sony rear projections and I can hear the fan and it stays on for a few minutes after I turn it off. I know this set runs cooler with the LED as opposed to a bulb.

intersys

05-21-08, 01:17 PM

Yes - though I argued with them that the coupon had nothing to do with the initial base price and that if they issued anothe coupon today the price would be 1899 less the 10%

I almost had the CSR convinced when he said he'd check with his manager - the manager turned the extra 10% down. I think if you get a really friendly CSR you could get the 10% applied.

Thanks. I just called and got it price matched over phone. However, they will not count the coupon towards the new price. So basically, they take the price after coupon on the initial purchase and compare that to the current price without coupon.

Still a good deal (like found money), even though it's not as good as if you bought today with the coupon.

Did you have the same experience?

Man-Fai Wong

05-21-08, 01:25 PM

Note sure if this is gonna make you try to join facebook or w/e, but here is a pic of the set and the entertainment unit I built using IKEA parts. Of course, the purse is an optional accesory.

Niiice. I'm considering the 61" set and might go w/ IKEA for a stand also -- though I won't be going for a full blown wide unit like yours since I need to flank it w/ a pair of heavy duty floor standing speakers that would be way too hefty for that.

Anyway, which IKEA parts did you use?

Thanks.

_Man_

grburke

05-21-08, 01:46 PM

Does anyone know if the new 72 incher has the latest dark chip 4 in it?
I asked Samsung tech support that question yesterday,and they said"I am sorry,unfortunately your tv model do not have Dark chip 4."

theranman

05-21-08, 01:48 PM

tsopranos

05-21-08, 01:52 PM

I suppose you could put some kind of shim under the back of the set to tilt it downwards when you're on the floor.

One of THESE (http://david.sudarma.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/macys_couch_450.jpg) might work too

AdamWL

05-21-08, 01:58 PM

AdamWL

05-21-08, 02:03 PM

It looks like Samsung released a new firmware version for at least the 61A750. It likely is across the board for the 6 and 7 series.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDownDetail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_nm=HL61A750A1F&language=&cate_type=all&mType=FM&dType=D&vType=R&cttID=1905714&prd_ia_cd=02010300&disp_nm=HL61A750

In case you're wondering...

build date : 2008-05-21 DLP TV HL 750 series Firmware

This firmware will correct the following phenomenons some units may experience.
-. Intermittent Auto Power Off and On
-. Intermittent Video drop out when connecting the component source
-. SRS Trusurround Setting Reset

The firmware will be updated to the following version.
-. HL**A750A1F : 1005.3

Yousty

05-21-08, 02:05 PM

It looks like Samsung released a new firmware version for at least the 61A750. It likely is across the board for the 6 and 7 series.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDownDetail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_nm=HL61A750A1F&language=&cate_type=all&mType=FM&dType=D&vType=R&cttID=1905714&prd_ia_cd=02010300&disp_nm=HL61A750
This firmware will correct the following phenomenons some units may experience.
-. Intermittent Auto Power Off and On
-. Intermittent Video drop out when connecting the component source
-. SRS Trusurround Setting Reset

Possibly a fix for the 360 1080p over component issues? *crosses fingers*

FoeHammer117

05-21-08, 02:06 PM

As far as the CC Price Match window, the standard is 30 days, but on occasion they will have a 60-day Price Match promotion, like they did last month.

So, if you were like me and bought the TV in early May, you should be good to go. That was the deciding factor on grabbing this set. I wanted to still be able to take advantage of potential Memorial Day price drops and to date I have already been back three times to get the set down to $1,799.

On that note, I was fine paying around $2,000 for the 61A750, but now if I can get a 67” for around that mark I might just have to upgrade within my 30-day window!

jaseman

05-21-08, 02:10 PM

How much pressure is being applied at the top of the frame with this stand? It looks like a good center placement but I'd be worried about long term issues with geometry as a result of placing it there.

I have an HLN617W. I once used a center stand similar to this one. The problem is not the pressure but that the back legs start to slip over time. They are held in place by double-faced tape. Yes, it is very sticky. But it still slips after a few weeks. Once it begins to slip it becomes useless.

My set happens to have a rather wide and strong top so I am able to just balance my center on it. I have been doing this for over 4 years without any trouble.

ztkp01

05-21-08, 03:14 PM

In case you're wondering...

build date : 2008-05-21 DLP TV HL 750 series Firmware

This firmware will correct the following phenomenons some units may experience.
-. Intermittent Auto Power Off and On
-. Intermittent Video drop out when connecting the component source
-. SRS Trusurround Setting Reset

The firmware will be updated to the following version.
-. HL**A750A1F : 1005.3
How did you get to this page? My method didn't provide the details on the changes! :(

Thanks.

STR3T

05-21-08, 03:14 PM

But it still slips after a few weeks. Once it begins to slip it becomes useless.

...I'd wager a nice little square of velcro would do the trick on those tabs...

intersys

05-21-08, 03:15 PM

CC has a 10% off coupon out now -

http://a.slickdeals.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=96587&d=1211395897 which brings the price down to 1710 for 61a750

As far as the CC Price Match window, the standard is 30 days, but on occasion they will have a 60-day Price Match promotion, like they did last month.

So, if you were like me and bought the TV in early May, you should be good to go. That was the deciding factor on grabbing this set. I wanted to still be able to take advantage of potential Memorial Day price drops and to date I have already been back three times to get the set down to $1,799.

On that note, I was fine paying around $2,000 for the 61A750, but now if I can get a 67” for around that mark I might just have to upgrade within my 30-day window!

BATman94

05-21-08, 04:24 PM

farzad

05-21-08, 04:26 PM

pm'd

BATman94

05-21-08, 04:28 PM

BATman94

05-21-08, 04:31 PM

Thanks for the quick reply, and man do I feel stupid! My geography teacher is rolling in her grave!

pm'd

theranman

05-21-08, 04:39 PM

"She's the one, the only one, that's built like a ....Big River."

:D

phildawg

05-21-08, 04:51 PM

I have seen "The Big River" referenced here several times as a retailer with great prices for the 750 series. I am not familiar with this retailer. I Googled with several variations of key words with no joy. If permitted on this board, what is the link to their site?

I've wondered the same thing... even with the suttle hints after your post, I still don't know... unless it's some how related to Creedence Clearwater Revival... lol

nickels55

05-21-08, 04:58 PM

The AMAZON is a big river isn't it - hahaha, come on people!!!

DolfanJay

05-21-08, 05:00 PM

I have an HLN617W. I once used a center stand similar to this one. The problem is not the pressure but that the back legs start to slip over time. They are held in place by double-faced tape. Yes, it is very sticky. But it still slips after a few weeks. Once it begins to slip it becomes useless.

My set happens to have a rather wide and strong top so I am able to just balance my center on it. I have been doing this for over 4 years without any trouble.

I had this same stand for my center channel with my last RPTV. My solution for the feet was to cut a couple rubberbands into strips and stick them to the two-sided tape. So basically it goes feet,tape,rubberband. This creates a good friction between the TV surface and the legs of the stand. It also doesnt leave any residue on your TV.

donb1948

05-21-08, 05:04 PM

I've read hear and elsewhere that TI does not allow manufacturers to inform the consumers which chip (e.g. DC3 or DC4) is in their units. I'm not sure that this is a hard and fast rule. I just received an ad from AV Science wherein a manufacturer specifically stated that its single panel dlp projector contained the DC4 chip.

A bit of history... I start following these forums when Samsung was switching from the HL-N to the HL-P models and wobbulation was coming into vogue. At the time, HP did an absolutely horrendous job of naming the chip generations and distinguishing the wobbulated and non-wobbulated chips. And, as a consequence, everyone, including the manufacturers were confused. It was at this point that the manufacturers stopped trying to identify the chip and started using their proprietary descriptors including generational nomenclature to apply to their optical engines rather than the chips. I actually remember that it was a Samsung rep (yes, one visited frequently) who posted in a thread that HP was pushing them not to use HP's chip designators in their ads. In a way, this was also a benefit to the manufacturers because they no longer had to be deal with the hold outs who were going to wait for the display with the ultimate DCXXX chip. Whether it was a rule, policy, agreement or convenience, we never knew for sure, but the HP designators did disappear - at least for a while.

FRANK THE TANK

05-21-08, 05:08 PM

Does anyone have any picture settings or calibration tools to recommend for the A650 series? Thanks

Nullman

05-21-08, 05:14 PM

Possibly a fix for the 360 1080p over component issues? *crosses fingers*

Ya, that's what I was thinking. I am going to try it tonight! :D

bsoko2

05-21-08, 05:24 PM

Here is another thread that has more info on the A750: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1029686

Teknomedic

05-21-08, 05:29 PM

Uhh, actually not early but way late. You might want to review this thread or at least the owner's thread. That one is only 3 pages long right now.

These are all known issues. You might need newer firmware. Easy answer on 360--use VGA instead. You might find a Toys R Else near you with $10 VGA cables still. Or if you stay component, use only 1080i.

I was asking about the 67" set... not the 61" set. I own the 61" and know very well the issues it has... that's why I was asking the 67" owners if they were having any of the 61" issues.

At any rate... I've returned my 61" set. BB had to order the 67" so I'll be without a TV for a few days but it's worth the extra size plus and chance at have far less issues with images displayed. Crossing my fingers. :)

Charles R

05-21-08, 06:04 PM

At any rate... I've returned my 61" set. BB had to order the 67" so I'll be without a TV for a few days but it's worth the extra size plus and chance at have far less issues with images displayed. Crossing my fingers. :)I checked out several of the smaller sets and compared to the 61 inch sets they had much better convergence. My guess is from the decreased angles required by the smaller screen. So I'll be interesting to find out if the 67 inch sets follow the trend.

donnyboy

05-21-08, 06:15 PM

I've read hear and elsewhere that TI does not allow manufacturers to inform the consumers which chip (e.g. DC3 or DC4) is in their units. Isn't this like Dell not telling you what CPU is in the very expensive PC you are about to purchase? If a component provides significant qualitative improvement, shouldn't we be able to know this before we buy a very expensive TV?

From the Mitsubishi press release on their new DLP models:
The UHP-lamp-based DLP line will include three series this year including the 735, 736 and 835 series. All offer 1080p HDTV resolution, Texas Instruments’ new Dark Chip 4 digital micromirror device, an improved five-color wheel, thinner frames, increased brightness, HDMI-CEC control and 3-D-ready capability.

It seems there isn't a problem advertising the new chip if the product actually has it.

Nullman

05-21-08, 08:01 PM

In case you're wondering...

build date : 2008-05-21 DLP TV HL 750 series Firmware

This firmware will correct the following phenomenons some units may experience.
-. Intermittent Auto Power Off and On
-. Intermittent Video drop out when connecting the component source
-. SRS Trusurround Setting Reset

The firmware will be updated to the following version.
-. HL**A750A1F : 1005.3

So far so good. I've played about an hour of GTA4 on my Xbox 360 over component at 1080p and the screen has not blanked out. Previouly it would do it so often it made the game unplayable and I've been using 1080i instead. If I run into any problems I'll report back.

phildawg

05-21-08, 08:55 PM

The AMAZON is a big river isn't it - hahaha, come on people!!!

LMAO! I kept thinking the Mississippi River =) I was like what the... I did think about the Nile, but was like no... then I thought about maybe something to do with Oceans...

I completely didn't think of Amazon, lolol.

To bad they sold out and now they are charging shipping on the 61/750, I'm 2 weeks away from jumping but need to wait until I move into my new place.

videobruce

05-21-08, 11:00 PM

No on the 2 RF inputs AFAIK. What reviews? There haven't been reviews on the new sets yet. If you are looking at last years sets reviews don't rely on them. I've had my set for almost 2 months, great blacks, and no hint of hot spot.

What geometry issue? The same geometry issues crap-shoot on Sammy DLP since day 1, if you are just talking general geometry issues.Reviews from CNet, Home Theater, Perfect Vision for starters. Yes, it was last years sets, but has anything really changed in the design? is the screen different? Are the LED's brighter? Have they done something about the grey blacks?

All the reviews I have read blasted these LED sets big time. This isn't just one review, or one person. Actually one review had a shoot out and compared sets side by side (the superior test) and reported those findings.

Regarding geometry issues, this is what I have seen posted in this thread more than once. No idea what they were talking about.

I'm just asking, don't shoot the messenger.
BTW, if you never had another HD set, my questions are moot since you have nothing to compare it to.

videobruce

05-21-08, 11:05 PM

Really stupid removing the 2nd RF input. Samsung has joined the crowd to save a few pennies. :mad:

STR3T

05-21-08, 11:11 PM

I moved from a $4k 56" HLN to the <$1900 61" LED A750.

This set is just as bright and offers a better picture than the older lamp model. Yes, the LED is improved over last year's models.

I see no hot spots on this set. I have very minimal geometry issue (have to stare at a grid pattern to find any issue). This was my first set...the only thing I might send it back for is a 67" if the price point warrants a trade-up.

If you don't need or care about hanging your set on a wall (altho some are proposing to do just that w/ these 14-16" deep sets), then I would very much recommend DLP as a very viable alternative to any other tech out there today.

Cost per diagonal inch simply can't be touched, the picture quality is tremendous at the price point and the issues are, in my opinion, minimal...assuming you don't have any glaring geometry issues. Just buy from a good dealer who will exchange your set if you are not satisfied.

You generally can't walk into B&M stores and do a good side-by-side. Those shops are generally not setup to show you anything but torch mode w/ crappy signals. And as was said earlier, don't take last years tech reviews assume nothing has changed.

NDRugby

05-21-08, 11:11 PM

Big River put it at $2299.
If you check Samsung website in description it is listed at $2299 MSRP as well.
Good news.
Back up to $2999 on Big River today. Should have ordered one yesterday I guess. Oh well.

But then again Sammie's site still says $2299.99

Nullman

05-21-08, 11:15 PM

BTW, if you never had another HD set, my questions are moot since you have nothing to compare it to.

FWIW, My 61A750 replaced a 50XBR800 (Sony Grand Wega XBR) LCD/RP. This TV is better in almost every way. The blacks are much blacker, the screen has less glare, it's a lot brighter, it's bigger, has more accurate color, no bulb to replace, and cost less than 1/2 the price that TV did five years ago. I'm sure there are better TVs out there, but I couldn't find another I liked better at this price/value.

Also, I played my Xbox 360 for hours tonight on 1080p over component and had no issues. I believe it has been fixed with today's firmware release.

JohnAV

05-22-08, 01:15 AM

I was asking about the 67" set... not the 61" set. I own the 61" and know very well the issues it has... that's why I was asking the 67" owners if they were having any of the 61" issues.

At any rate... I've returned my 61" set. BB had to order the 67" so I'll be without a TV for a few days but it's worth the extra size plus and chance at have far less issues with images displayed. Crossing my fingers. :)Let us know what you think of the HL67A750 when you get it.

Gonesilent

05-22-08, 02:46 AM

Amazon just lowered the price on the 67" I bet a month after release we see $1800 - $2200

http://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B001413DWQ

millsan1

05-22-08, 02:50 AM

Niiice. I'm considering the 61" set and might go w/ IKEA for a stand also -- though I won't be going for a full blown wide unit like yours since I need to flank it w/ a pair of heavy duty floor standing speakers that would be way too hefty for that.

Anyway, which IKEA parts did you use?

Thanks.

_Man_

All the drawers and parts are from the "Besta" line of cabinets, etc. The stand is made of three, 2 drawer cabinets in a pyramid.

Yousty

05-22-08, 08:24 AM

So far so good. I've played about an hour of GTA4 on my Xbox 360 over component at 1080p and the screen has not blanked out. Previouly it would do it so often it made the game unplayable and I've been using 1080i instead. If I run into any problems I'll report back.

Awesome to hear! This is the one thing that was holding me back from purchasing this TV since my 360 doesn't have HDMI out. I have to say that I am VERY impressed with the speediness at which Samsung has addressed the common issues with this TV (i.e. auto shutdown and screen blanking). Their quickness to fix these issues only reaffirms my faith in Samsung and makes it much easier to purchase this TV without worrying.

turls

05-22-08, 08:53 AM

From the Mitsubishi press release on their new DLP models:
The UHP-lamp-based DLP line will include three series this year including the 735, 736 and 835 series. All offer 1080p HDTV resolution, Texas Instruments’ new Dark Chip 4 digital micromirror device, an improved five-color wheel, thinner frames, increased brightness, HDMI-CEC control and 3-D-ready capability.

It seems there isn't a problem advertising the new chip if the product actually has it.

Or maybe Samsung follows the rules and others don't? This was already posted in this thread by the way. Doesn't change anything on whether it is DC4 or not. Nobody knows for sure. I agree is sucks that we can't get a straight answer, but I don't see many people watching the price drop like a rock and saying--if only I knew it had DC4. . .

Good luck getting laser tech for anything close to Sammy prices by the way, bulb might be a different story.

turls

05-22-08, 08:56 AM

Reviews from CNet, Home Theater, Perfect Vision for starters. Yes, it was last years sets, but has anything really changed in the design? is the screen different? Are the LED's brighter? Have they done something about the grey blacks?

For starters a newer LED engine, possibly a different DLP chip. The majority opinion here, just from memory, is the new sets look better.

And yes I've followed DLP tech since owning a HLM I bought in late 2002. Is it noticably better than a bulb set from 2 years ago, I can't say since I didn't thave one in my house. It absolutely blows away my HLN-upgraded HLM.

The people in this thread that have measured contrast using real tools have said it is great, Eliab posted on his forum (paraphrasing) that this was a great TV. He's probably seen more than anybody.

moonhawk

05-22-08, 09:06 AM

Hey matt, do you have a link to Eliab's forum?

Thanks :)

patgilm

05-22-08, 09:55 AM

Amazon just lowered the price on the 67" I bet a month after release we see $1800 - $2200

http://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B001413DWQ

They are already that low for the 67" model at Tweeter.

StevenZ

05-22-08, 09:59 AM

For starters a newer LED engine, possibly a different DLP chip.

The service manual says the DLP chip in the HLT6189S, HL61A750, & HL67A750 is the same: xHD5 (search AVS for more info on it).

However, the "image enhancer" IC is new in the new models. Maybe better scaling/deinterlacing? Maybe lower cost? Maybe they stopped making the previous IC? The new IC is referred to as "BAYHILL+". I googled it and found a cached version of some engineer's resume, here (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=clnk&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2F209.85.215.104%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3AyEHmO fTfU7AJ%3Amyhome.naver.com%2Fwyjang_club%2Fmenu4.html%2B%252 2bayhill%252B%2522%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26cd%3D1%26gl%3Dus% 26client%3Dfirefox-a&ei=J3k1SNuHFYSm8gSv8NTPDQ&usg=AFQjCNGZPOoo9iqX7vlhbDoIqdNx666c2Q&sig2=_AmlzG2YfotQ5ooX9JK24w), that said:
1. High-end one chip solution for HDTV and Set-Top-Box (Bayhill+) Aug. 2005 - Jul. 2006
* Around 20 Mil gate count with Samsung 90nm process technology
* MPEG video decoder, 266MHz DDR II SDRAM interface, and bus architecture using Sonics solution

jaseman

05-22-08, 10:19 AM

Quick question... Amazon shows the yet-to-be-released Samsung HL72A650 72-inch 1080p Slim DLP HDTV as an LED model????? Is this true????

NismoZ

05-22-08, 10:23 AM

Quick question... Amazon shows the yet-to-be-released Samsung HL72A650 72-inch 1080p Slim DLP HDTV as an LED model????? Is this true????

No, 650s are lamp, 750s are LED.

turls

05-22-08, 10:24 AM

Hey matt, do you have a link to Eliab's forum?

Thanks :)

I'm just going what off what another poster that has access to the forum said. The forum is private for his customers AFAIK.

turls

05-22-08, 10:29 AM

First time I've seen that posted here on any specifics from the service manual. That stinks. I'm not ruling out somebody not changing the template from last year or a misprint, but this is the most evidence we've had yet I think. . . as I've said before if there is no DC4 kind of boggles my mind that Samsung is supposedly using this as a make or break year for RPTV DLP and don't even put their best foot forward.

The service manual says the DLP chip in the HLT6189S, HL61A750, & HL67A750 is the same: xHD5 (search AVS for more info on it).

jaseman

05-22-08, 11:14 AM

No, 650s are lamp, 750s are LED.

Yes, I know that. Why then is Amazon saying it is an LED? Are they that stupid? :eek:

mike_pro

05-22-08, 12:45 PM

The service manual says the DLP chip in the HLT6189S, HL61A750, & HL67A750 is the same: xHD5 (search AVS for more info on it).

However, the "image enhancer" IC is new in the new models. Maybe better scaling/deinterlacing? Maybe lower cost? Maybe they stopped making the previous IC? The new IC is referred to as "BAYHILL+". I googled it and found a cached version of some engineer's resume, here (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=clnk&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2F209.85.215.104%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3AyEHmO fTfU7AJ%3Amyhome.naver.com%2Fwyjang_club%2Fmenu4.html%2B%252 2bayhill%252B%2522%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26cd%3D1%26gl%3Dus% 26client%3Dfirefox-a&ei=J3k1SNuHFYSm8gSv8NTPDQ&usg=AFQjCNGZPOoo9iqX7vlhbDoIqdNx666c2Q&sig2=_AmlzG2YfotQ5ooX9JK24w), that said:
1. High-end one chip solution for HDTV and Set-Top-Box (Bayhill+) Aug. 2005 - Jul. 2006
* Around 20 Mil gate count with Samsung 90nm process technology
* MPEG video decoder, 266MHz DDR II SDRAM interface, and bus architecture using Sonics solution

Hmmm.. interesting information, and the most concrete evidence that it is NOT the new Darkchip 4. I'll have to add this to the FAQ.

Hipnotiq

05-22-08, 01:11 PM

Really stupid removing the 2nd RF input. Samsung has joined the crowd to save a few pennies. :mad:
what is the real value in having 2 RF inputs?
I think most people that use cable dont use air and vice versa.

If your TV supports PIP then I can see the value, but I really dont see much value in PIP either.

Hipnotiq

05-22-08, 01:18 PM

Or maybe Samsung follows the rules and others don't?
rules? others? huh?

Its like ATI producing a new GPU called the HD3880 but telling all the OEMs they have to market it under the HD3870 name... makes no sense.

Consumers want new and better. Why would I buy a DC3 TV when I could get a DC4 TV for the same price?

BATman94

05-22-08, 01:22 PM

I think you may be correct. Marantz's DLP projectors (way out of my price range) specify DC4 also. So, the Sammy 750 series are likely the DC3 despite all the speculation. Given this and the repeated posts about geometry issues, I may be calling off my jump for a few months.

Samsung, if you're listening....tell us when the LED DLPs get the new DC4!!!

From the Mitsubishi press release on their new DLP models:
The UHP-lamp-based DLP line will include three series this year including the 735, 736 and 835 series. All offer 1080p HDTV resolution, Texas Instruments’ new Dark Chip 4 digital micromirror device, an improved five-color wheel, thinner frames, increased brightness, HDMI-CEC control and 3-D-ready capability.

It seems there isn't a problem advertising the new chip if the product actually has it.

videobruce

05-22-08, 01:23 PM

what is the real value in having 2 RF inputs?
I think most people that use cable dont use air and vice versa.Sounds as you work for the Asian marketing departments.

1. Why have TWO tuners and only one input??
2. You can only use one or the other, not both since none of these sets have two sets of memories. You change modes and do a re-scan, you loose all your channels in the other mode.
3. Cost is very little.
But, mostly:

4. Not all OTA stations are carried on cable TV.
I double the number of digital stations using OTA then what I receive on cable.

BATman94

05-22-08, 01:30 PM

Charles R

05-22-08, 02:02 PM

1. Why have TWO tuners and only one input??With the DVR penetration rate rising (some markets are over 25%) I wouldn't be surprised if before long sets start coming without any RF inputs. :) Personally I haven't used any set without a DVR since 2000.

Hipnotiq

05-22-08, 02:38 PM

4. Not all OTA stations are carried on cable TV.
I double the number of digital stations using OTA then what I receive on cable.
I suppose it is dependant on geographical location. At least in my area I can recieve all OTA channels via my cable. Cable operators in NY may in fact be different (and cheaper?).

All that is needed in the TV to achieve what you want is an RF switch and a little software which they had previously. I think that would be a pretty low cost addition to keep a few consumers happy.

Sounds as you work for the Asian marketing departments.Is that a crack at my english skills? :confused:

RandomHajile

05-22-08, 03:43 PM

what is the real value in having 2 RF inputs?
I think most people that use cable dont use air and vice versa.

If your TV supports PIP then I can see the value, but I really dont see much value in PIP either.

Well, our cable system has Columbus, Ohio locals in HD, but I can only pick up Huntington, WV locals OTA. While neither gives us much coverage of our area, Huntington does cover news in the county south of us and occasionally our county. Of course, I plan on going with an HD DVR soon, so I can probably hook that up through HDMI and still have my OTA Huntington stations. However, this would render the PIP feature obsolete, as it is analog only. I wish the PIP feature was more robust. *shrug*....that's just me.

xbr4pixels

05-22-08, 03:50 PM

Given that LaserVue will be likely out of my price range, and it now appears that the HL61A750 and HL67A750 are only using the DC3 chip, can anyone point me to a good comparison between the HL61A750 vs. a 52'' XBR4 (which reportedly is not without its own issues)--screen size excluded of course? If money wasn't an object between the two, would HL61A750 owners have gone with the XBR4 (taking into consideration which forum I am posting this)?

Too many choices! Too many decisions--why can't they just go back to BW CRTs! ;-)

They both the are a POS IMO.I had them returned them.Ya they both have bad problems go check these forums for proof .But i can say this if i had to pick between the 52xbr4 and hl61a750 which i had both i would take the 750.the xbr4 is a nightmare of issues where the 750 only major gripe was the tilt/bowing.

turls

05-22-08, 04:44 PM

rules? others? huh?

Its like ATI producing a new GPU called the HD3880 but telling all the OEMs they have to market it under the HD3870 name... makes no sense.

Consumers want new and better. Why would I buy a DC3 TV when I could get a DC4 TV for the same price?

You lost me here. Are you saying it makes no sense that TI technically does not allow advertising of the chip type? I have no idea if it is true but its been floated here, I also haven't heard any proof it is not true.

No you probably wouldn't want a DC3 if you could get a DC4 for the same price. Who is saying otherwise? If you are saying get a Mits instead Mits doesn't make LED.

If people really treat lack of confirmation of DC4 as a deal killer, then they can go to another brand or wait. There is no guarantee Samsung won't exit the market and never do DC4. Since there is no LED to compare to that has DC4, how do they even know what they are missing? I have a hard time believing DC4 is going to make that much difference vs. how well my uncalibrated 61A750 looks with (likely) DC3.

Its the same old wait forever if you wait for perfect game. If you wait for DC4, maybe it will have the same LED engine as this year's model. Then 6 months later they upgrade the LED engine. The major issues are resolved with LED as far as I'm concerned, who is to say there won't be new or different issues with a move to DC4?

AdamWL

05-22-08, 05:07 PM

Does anyone know if Best Buy agrees to a price match, whether they will also honor their own 10% coupon on top of the price match? Anyone get them to offer free in-home delivery?

mapex

05-22-08, 05:11 PM

my HLS5679 is being replaced by the HL61A750 beauty by Samsung :)

auxiliary

05-22-08, 05:24 PM

Does anyone know if Best Buy agrees to a price match, whether they will also honor their own 10% coupon on top of the price match? Anyone get them to offer free in-home delivery?

did it for me, they pricematched CC/their own website, then took an additional 10% off. i didn't bother with delivery, i picked it up on the spot.

AdamWL

05-22-08, 05:34 PM

did it for me, they pricematched CC/their own website, then took an additional 10% off. i didn't bother with delivery, i picked it up on the spot.

I was considering ordering the 67a750 from them (they don't apparently have them in yet). I recently received a 61a750, from an Internet dealer, which had 1/2" vertical bowing. Samsung said "that's normal", so I got the dealer to agree to take it back. However, they did not want to ship another, should it have the same problem... or worse.

So, I'm looking "local". If Best Buy agrees to the price match and honors their 10% off coupon, I think I'll give it a go. However, I definitely can't fit that monster in my car.

I just hope the original dealer picks-up the 61" before I wind up getting the 67". I don't need to have two of these behemoths in my living room!

arthurvino

05-22-08, 06:00 PM

I hope August a850 DC4 TVs release is not a myth.
I really hope Samsung will come through..
Come on, they are fighting LCD/Plasmas on all fronts and they cant even come on with best chip TI has to offer.

Samsung, if you're listening....tell us when the LED DLPs get the new DC4!!!

NismoZ

05-22-08, 06:40 PM

I hope August a850 DC4 TVs release is not a myth.
I really hope Samsung will come through..
Come on, they are fighting LCD/Plasmas on all fronts and they cant even come on with best chip TI has to offer.

I agree, bring it!

But, we've only heard that from 1 sales associate in a retail store. How accurate is that? There NOTHING online about an a850 model...

bbcdm

05-22-08, 06:59 PM

AdamWL

05-22-08, 07:01 PM

Stopped by HHgregg today after work. The store was basically empty, and the video dept manager was happy to stand around and BS with me. I was looking at the 61A750 and, playing dumb, asked him if it had "that new DLP chip" from TI that is supposed to enhance contrast. He said that only Mitsubishi's 2008 models have the new chip at this point, and that it was a Mits exclusive initial release. He said all 2008 Samsung DLP models released so far have the same chip as last year's models.

I asked if the A750 was the top of the Samsung DLP line. He said that it was, until the A850 is released late this summer. He said that the main difference with the A850 was that it will feature something like Mitsubishi's Dark Detailer. He said that while it isn't listed in their system yet, he knew it would be "several hundred dollars" more expensive than the A750 and not really worth the extra $$$, in his opinion. I asked if it had the new chip, and he said he thought the "dark detailer" was really just some kind of software difference and NOT the new TI chip.

Honestly, he wasn't all that interested in selling me a DLP and was pushing me hard toward a 58" Sammy plasma (for $1K more, of course). He said that if I absolutely had to have a DLP I should just wait for the Mitsubishi laser model this fall.

Anyhow, I guess I figured there would be an A850, just never had anyone talk to me about it before. For what it's worth....

Is this the only "inside information" on the A850? Not overly promising to hold your breath for.

AdamWL

05-22-08, 07:06 PM

I was just curious as to how people are buying this tv at BB. It is not listed on their web site & I was at the local store 2 days ago and no BB employee could find it in their system.... I was just curious as to how people ordered one?

At least as of today, the 67a750 is in the in-store Best Buy computer system (I was at one of them). They show as due 6/1, but they are currently at regional Best Buy warehouses. The are accepting orders on them and will bring them in with a 5-6 day delivery time. They're obviously listed at the original manufacturer suggested retail price of $2,499. I'd wait a few weeks or find a place that's running a sale and see if they will price match it.

missrunt

05-22-08, 07:24 PM

I moved from a $4k 56" HLN to the <$1900 61" LED A750.

If you don't need or care about hanging your set on a wall (altho some are proposing to do just that w/ these 14-16" deep sets), then I would very much recommend DLP as a very viable alternative to any other tech out there today.

Ordered my DLP-2 wall mounts from an online video spy retailer (just google DLP-2 for the best price) Monday, and they are sitting on my porch in a box today (Thursday).

I'll post some photos once we hang this 67" beast. Still finishing the drywall and cable runs before we can hoist her.

Peace
MR

AdamWL

05-22-08, 07:50 PM

I have a strong suspicion that Samsung's LED implementation is a stepping stone to an eventual Samsung laser back-light. According to Mitsubishi, two other manufacturers have expressed interest in implementing the Mitsu laser technology for their respective DLP products. Samsung was mentioned by name.

I get the feeling that since Samsung caters more to low price/most bang for your buck products they felt LED was a way to side-step the DLP technology forward. The fact they chose to omit the DC4 for their current line-up seems related to a cost-savings measure. Additionally, since Samsung chooses to manufacture their North American DLPs in Mexico, it doesn't help to bolster the confidence in the overall quality and there really is no excuse for the flimsyness of the frame/enclosure.

But hey, when all is said and done, the price for what you get is appealing and many might not want to pay a premium for the "higher end" Mitsu products. All things being equal, I'd prefer a 65" laser lit DC4, but "A" it isn't available and "B" it will likely incur a pretty hefty premium. I for one intend to stay with Samsung.

missrunt

05-22-08, 08:48 PM

I have a strong suspicion that Samsung's LED implementation is a stepping stone to an eventual Samsung laser back-light. According to Mitsubishi, two other manufactures have expressed interest in implementing the Mitsu laser technology for their respective DLP products. Samsung was mentioned by name.

I get the feeling that since Samsung caters more to low price/most bang for your buck products they felt LED was a way to side-step the DLP technology forward. The fact they chose to omit the DC4 for their current line-up seems related to a cost-savings measure. Additionally, since Samsung chooses to manufacture their North American DLPs in Mexico, it doesn't help to bolster the confidence in the overall quality.

But hey, when all is said and done, the price for what you get is appealing and many might not want to pay a premium for the "higher end" Mitsu products. I for one intend to stay with Samsung.

I agree with you on the reasoning behind the LED move by Sammy.

About Mexico:

We run a large retail/manufacturing business in a niche area of the pet market. Many of our products are sourced from other countries. Germany, Egypt, China, Mexico, Japan, Etc.

In recent years, the products from Mexico have become very competitive to the rest. We rank the product quality in this manner.

#1 - USA
#2 - Japan
#3 - Mexico
#4 - Germany
#5 - Egypt
#6 - China

With all the US money that goes south of the border, they have become able to build plants and quality control to rival most others. All in preparation for the secret intercontinental highway to run from Mexico to Canada in a few decades.

Peace
MR

AdamWL

05-22-08, 09:25 PM

With all the US money that goes south of the border, they have become able to build plants and quality control to rival most others. All in preparation for the secret intercontinental highway to run from Mexico to Canada in a few decades.

Peace
MR

Is that before or after the "Great Wall of USA" goes up? :rolleyes: If it's not illegal immigration, it's NAFTA. Lower the prices!! But that's another story for another forum...

theranman

05-22-08, 09:42 PM

All the set manufacturers know that the sweetspot for price is $1500-2000. That's why they're continually lowering their prices into that range. Sure, I'd pay a couple hundred dollar premium for a laser DLP with DC4, but just a few hundred. With the economy slackening, Samsung would be smart to continue in the direction they're going. They kinda sorta have a niche to themselves.

Sgooter

05-22-08, 10:21 PM

did it for me, they pricematched CC/their own website, then took an additional 10% off. i didn't bother with delivery, i picked it up on the spot.

After 45 minutes of intense discussions this evening, my local BB store reluctantly agreed to a $200 adjustment against the price I paid for my 61" 750 about 3 weeks ago. My "price guarantee" leverage was the current CC sale price together with a 10% in-store coupon from CC, which can even be used for items on sale. The folks at BB clearly didn't like having to make this price adjustment. No matter how many different ways they tried to squirm away from the facts, they finally realized they were trapped within the terms of their own price guarantee policy, plus the fact that I could still return my TV to them for a full refund within the next 10 days. My new adjusted purchase price is now at $1700. Thank you BB!

auxiliary

05-22-08, 10:32 PM

After 45 minutes of intense discussions this evening, my local BB store reluctantly agreed to a $200 adjustment against the price I paid for my 61" 750 about 3 weeks ago. My "price guarantee" leverage was the current CC sale price together with a 10% in-store coupon from CC, which can even be used for items on sale. The folks at BB clearly didn't like having to make this price adjustment. No matter how many different ways they tried to squirm away from the facts, they finally realized they were trapped within the terms of their own price guarantee policy, plus the fact that I could still return my TV to them for a full refund within the next 10 days. My new adjusted purchase price is now at $1700. Thank you BB!

that's exactly the price i paid. they matched their own website at $1889 and then took the 10% coupon off for a total before tax of $1701. i ALSO got to use the triple reward points so i should get like 150 in reward certificates back. so it was totally worth it.

skellogg02

05-23-08, 02:29 AM

Just wanted to chime in and say that we just put our 67A750 on display this past week (CC).

I must say that I was impressed that samsung made the surrounding borders than hold the screen in place MUCH thicker than those of the 61 inch model. Those that have seen both know what I mean.

The outside black casing is at least double the thickness of the 61. I may be giving the 67 inch a try at home in the near future.

Sorry I have nothing to contribute to the dark chip discussion.

NDRugby

05-23-08, 08:42 AM

tsopranos

05-23-08, 09:06 AM

Is that 10% in-store coupon still valid at CC?

BB pricematched the 67a750 price from Sound Advice/Tweeter for me on the TV @ 2199. I'll be picking up the TV today most likely as it wasn't on yesterday's truck.

Also, I did see this deal floating around out there...
Slickdeals has this coupon (http://emailinfo.bestbuy.com/P/v3/HTMLCouponv3.asp?ci=50525&r=T1_CPN_50525&e=10444;068346;1366149693;1;02&a=1007) for BB.

It does say this in the fine print though... "Valid on in-stock items only. No rainchecks. No dealers. Coupon must be presented at time of purchase." So I'm not sure that coupon will work as they had to have it shipped from the warehouse.

I'm going to make one last pitch before I take the TV today. Do you think my bargaining power goes out the window if BB matched Sound Advice, but the additional discount I'm looking to get is from CC?

BATman94

05-23-08, 09:06 AM

AdamWL

05-23-08, 09:15 AM

I must say that I was impressed that samsung made the surrounding borders than hold the screen in place MUCH thicker than those of the 61 inch model. Those that have seen both know what I mean.

The outside black casing is at least double the thickness of the 61. I may be giving the 67 inch a try at home in the near future.

That is great news. This was the single most limiting factor for the decision to proceed on ordering this model. Now just to wait for the price to moderate.

jaseman

05-23-08, 09:19 AM

AdamWL

05-23-08, 09:24 AM

EHUPP01

05-23-08, 09:40 AM

Got my 61750 from BB 3/29 for 2199.00 went today for my price match and got back $572.00 SWEET!!! BB policy is different depending when you bought the set. Check out the web site to see if you qualify.:)

What did they price match against?

They matched against Best Buys web site it was 1799.00 and I had a 12% coupon. All said and done I got the set for $1584.11 and then also got back $44.96 in taxes.

AdamWL

05-23-08, 09:57 AM

Wow, the Mitsubishi WD65735: 65" 1080p DLP® HDTV is now down to $1659 shipped. Though it's lamp based, I believe this model has the DC4. Manufacturer cost wise, this is likely the closest competition to the 67a750.

At almost an $850 selling price difference, I think Samsung has a lot of room to drop their price. I wouldn't be surprised if the 67a750 is under $2000 a month after its official 6/1 release.

There's also a good shot that Mitsu is adjusting their lamp-based DLP pricing in preparation for the official introduction of their LaserVue DLP in August. Ths is also going to put some extra pressure on Samsung. I'm starting to think that maybe I should look before I leap...

AdamWL

05-23-08, 09:59 AM

They matched against Best Buys web site it was 1799.00 and I had a 12% coupon. All said and done I got the set for $1584.11 and then also got back $44.96 in taxes.

Good deal!

Sgooter

05-23-08, 10:05 AM

Is that 10% in-store coupon still valid at CC?
I'm going to make one last pitch before I take the TV today. Do you think my bargaining power goes out the window if BB matched Sound Advice, but the additional discount I'm looking to get is from CC?

I'm not at home right now, so I don't have the CC in-store coupon in front of me to examine the fine print. I know this coupon is good until 6/30/08, and at the top of the coupon it reads "includes sale items." This coupon was in a post office mailer I received after submitting a change of address form to USPS.

Since BB has matched the price from Sound Advice at $2199 for a 67A750, I believe that's the best they'll do for you. The current CC price with their 10% coupon would be $2249. Somewhere on the net there's a BB reward zone-type coupon for 12% off, and it looks like BB has essentially given you that discount. BB's policy is to apply their coupon discount to their regular price, not the sale price -- though YMMV.

To put the new 67's price into some perspective, I recall that just over a month ago the regular price for the 61A750 was $2399. I expect the 67's list price to fall to about $2299 during the next 30 days. If you buy the 67 now from a BB store, their written price guarantee is good for 30 days.

Good Luck -- and let's us know how it works out.

Sgooter

05-23-08, 10:11 AM

They matched against Best Buys web site it was 1799.00 and I had a 12% coupon. All said and done I got the set for $1584.11 and then also got back $44.96 in taxes.

Awesome!
The best price I've seen on BB's site is $1899.

NDRugby

05-23-08, 10:21 AM

I wish they would make an LED that is 72" in size. :p
If I'm going to replace my HLN61W 61" DLP then going to 67" is not enough! :eek:

I wonder if it has something to do with the brightness of the LED's???

I do not want another bulb based, color-wheel set. Too risky with moving parts.

I may just have to wait to see what Mit's does in the Laser sets. ;)
I was thinking the same thing, but then I realized I think I'd rather deal with bulb and a $250 warranty rather than spend an extra $1500 plus to get laser (for now).

Dude2000theman

05-23-08, 10:27 AM

How much pressure is being applied at the top of the frame with this stand? It looks like a good center placement but I'd be worried about long term issues with geometry as a result of placing it there.

Sorry about the late response. Hard to see the forrest through the trees I suppose. Anyway, the speaker weighs about 18 lbs. And I think the stand might be 2 or 3 lbs. The top of the TV seems extremely sturdy. The back which the long legs are resting on does not feel as sturdy. It is also from what I understand where the big reflective mirror is. However, there is very littl weight on those legs. The majority of the weight is on the stiff frame around the top of the TV.

NDRugby

05-23-08, 10:52 AM

Zyeox

05-23-08, 11:03 AM

Wow the cabinet is really that flimsy. No wonder these sets are cheaper than usual. My fathers old 65 inch RP tv is heavy and than all hell. But the cabinet is built very well. But with this new age of making tv's lighter I guess the tv's are being made cheaper and cheaper.

Sgooter

05-23-08, 11:04 AM

Just a couple of PQ/scaling-related comments...

My main uses of the 61A750 are: watching HD TV using an HD-DVR cable box; and watching movies using an upconverting DVD player. I'm running HDMI from these devices to an HT receiver, then a single HDMI cable runs from the receiver to the TV.

I've tried all the various output/upconverting formats and settings from the cable box and the DVD player. For me, the best PQ on this set results from enabling all the raw/native outputs from the cable box and DVD player, and let the TV's scaler do all the work. Changing cable channels often induces a delay of a few seconds while the TV's scaler does its magic, but the resulting PQ is worth the wait.

Hipnotiq

05-23-08, 02:09 PM

Wow, the Mitsubishi WD65735: 65" 1080p DLP® HDTV is now down to $1659 shipped. Though it's lamp based, I believe this model has the DC4. Manufacturer cost wise, this is likely the closest competition to the 67a750.
Their step-up model is listed at $1500...take a look: http://www.us-appliance.com/wd65736.html

seperating teh gap even more :eek:

AdamWL

05-23-08, 02:36 PM

Their step-up model is listed at $1500...take a look: http://www.us-appliance.com/wd65736.html

seperating teh gap even more :eek:

It's only a matter of time before the 750 pricing finds their bottom. Especially if the 850's are around the corner. I really hate being an early adopter. Luckily my 61a750 was taken back and refunded by the dealer because of 1/2" vertical geometry issues. I sure hope the frame on the 67s really are more sturdy. Now it's a waiting game.

Zyeox

05-23-08, 02:39 PM

farzad

05-23-08, 02:41 PM

some time after june 1 would be my guess :)

30 days is generally the price match

AdamWL

05-23-08, 02:43 PM

My only question is when do I pull the trigger on the TV? These TV's are going up and down left and right I am not sure when to actually go out and get the TV. I hate to lose money. How long is BB and CC price match refund after u buy the TV.

Their normal price matching/guarantee is 30 days from the purchase date. I've heard that Circuit City offered a 60-day guarantee as a promotion a short while ago, but I'm not so sure that's around any more.

jaseman

05-23-08, 02:46 PM

Hipnotiq

05-23-08, 02:46 PM

It's only a matter of time before the 750 pricing finds their bottom. Especially if the 850's are around the corner. I really hate being an early adopter. Luckily my 61a750 was taken back and refunded by the dealer because of 1/2" vertical geometry issues. I sure hope the frame on the 67s really are more sturdy. Now it's a waiting game.
What exactly is 1/2" vertical geometry issue?

NismoZ

05-23-08, 02:51 PM

From what official source is there any information on Samsung coming out with an 850 model? I think someone just said this in passing, as if it is the next logical step, and now people are stating it as a fact and basing their buying decisions on rumor and inuendo???

I agree, if there is an a850, I think it'll be release at normal time. Like 2009 in April. Why would they release anything early? Also, how long did we know about the A750 ahead of time? There is nothing about an A850...

AdamWL

05-23-08, 02:57 PM

My only question is when do I pull the trigger on the TV? These TV's are going up and down left and right I am not sure when to actually go out and get the TV. I hate to lose money. How long is BB and CC price match refund after u buy the TV.

Under normal conditions, I'd have no hesitation to purchase a relatively high ticket item from an Internet dealer and save on the shipping and tax. But with the potential geometry issue affecting (at least the 61s) I'm reluctant to take another roll of the dice. One ordeal with Samsung and the last Internet dealer was more than enough.

Personally, I've had nothing but the best customer experience with Amazon (I hadn't bought the 61 through them). However, they had said that they will take back or exchange a TV that you claim has a problem, without question. If Amazon does what they did with the price of the 61s to the 67s, their price might be quite good shortly after 6/1.

NDRugby

05-23-08, 02:59 PM

Their normal price matching/guarantee is 30 days from the purchase date. I've heard that Circuit City offered a 60-day guarantee as a promotion a short while ago, but I'm not so sure that's around any more.
I just got a 60 day price match from CC 2 days ago over the phone. But I was price matching against their own price.

AdamWL

05-23-08, 03:06 PM

What exactly is 1/2" vertical geometry issue?

This is what 1/2" vertical geometry issues looks like...

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turls

05-23-08, 03:37 PM

So, are the geometry issues then stemming from physical anomalies in the box/screen itself or is it something else.

My old CRT PC monitor has settings that allow me to adjust the geometry every which way. Why can't this be done with this model to solve the frequent geometry issues.

If this thicker box on the 67 does solve the issues, then I am now leaning back toward it. However, now that there are rumblings for Samsung laser (likely cheaper then the Mits. model)...maybe I'll hold out....ugh.

That is great news. This was the single most limiting factor for the decision to proceed on ordering this model. Now just to wait for the price to moderate.

The cabinet on my old HLN is SO MUCH sturdier and cannot be bent with my hands. This leads me to believe that the cabinet is the issue and that a sturdier one woudl at least help prevent geometry issues. Haven't tried to see if this fixes hourglass as well.

Sorry guys, but there is more to it than just the cabinet. I had HLMs with a very sturdy cabinet and you can still get focus and geometry issues. I went through a couple of sets with various issues. As far as why the don't offer adjustments, it is probably either a cost issue or a picture quality issue. They should at least do tilt IMO.

I wish they would make an LED that is 72" in size. :p
If I'm going to replace my HLN61W 61" DLP then going to 67" is not enough! :eek:

I wonder if it has something to do with the brightness of the LED's???

Most likely, since they are using a brighter LED this year and their biggest set is bigger than last year's biggest.

Their normal price matching/guarantee is 30 days from the purchase date. I've heard that Circuit City offered a 60-day guarantee as a promotion a short while ago, but I'm not so sure that's around any more.

I just called from my purchase from March 26th and got my price adjusted no problem. I didn't even try to get a coupon applied though, since I was already saving over $250 over my original price with coupon. They have a 60 day HDTV price guarantee that may be limited, but it isn't stated that way on their web site. If I had bought the TV in the store, I would have had to go to the store to get the price adjustment. Since I bought it online, I got the adjustment by a phone call. So I not only got the advantages of shopping online from CC, I got the benefits of B&M since the delivery was all handled by my "local" (45 miles away) store including free delivery and a free exchange for my first set with geometry and focus issues.

AdamWL

05-23-08, 03:51 PM

Sorry guys, but there is more to it than just the cabinet. I had HLMs with a very sturdy cabinet and you can still get focus and geometry issues. I went through a couple of sets with various issues. As far as why the don't offer adjustments, it is probably either a cost issue or a picture quality issue. They should at least do tilt IMO.

I got the benefits of B&M since the delivery was all handled by my "local" (45 miles away) store including free delivery and a free exchange for my first set with geometry and focus issues.

I agree that its more than just the rigidity of the cabinet. But it definitely didn't help the problem.

I had noticed that CC online was offering free delivery with these sets. However, when going into a CC store, they said delivery was extra. I wonder why they wouldn't "price match" that too.

telero

05-23-08, 03:52 PM

Just got home and got the Costco passport to savings booklet. There is a coupon in there for a 'Samsung 67" 1080p DLP HDTV with Stand.' $200 off, valid July 21 - July 27. Item number is 289867, but it's not listed on their website yet. From what I've seen, the items on the coupons like these will show up on the website eventually, but be unavailable and not have a price.

jcampanella

05-23-08, 05:02 PM

Where are you located and do you know if that applies to all costcos or is it regional?

xbr4pixels

05-23-08, 05:04 PM

farzad

05-23-08, 05:04 PM

This is what 1/2" vertical geometry issues looks like...

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is the effect on the picture obvious to non-videophiles?

Zyeox

05-23-08, 05:08 PM

Then this is my question to any of you who complain about the bowing and tilting. Which TV do they sell now that does not have any of these issues? Or no issues at all? To me it seems like no TV is perfect there will always be a problem with something. But then tell me which one is the best to get?

xbr4pixels

05-23-08, 05:10 PM

Well considering i am some what OCD and VERY hard to please i was very surprised that a TV would fully meet my demands.For me it was the kds-60a3000 that blew me away.I even thought the 3k plus 52xbr4 was a piece of you know what and returned that.And i know the a3000 was discontinued but some are still sitting on shelfs for half of there normal price.

Zyeox

05-23-08, 05:16 PM

Yea that sony was what I was looking at before but they have been sold out all over my area. From what I saw in the store the Samsung 56A650 in the store looked way better than the sony 60A that was on display.

xbr4pixels

05-23-08, 05:24 PM

well i had all these the 750,the 52xbr4 was a smear fest,and the a3000.The a3000 picture at least in my house blew away the a750 but i did see a few a3000 display models that looked bad and worn out.Idk if that was bad setting's or them a3000's were just old.Because mine looks sick its as sharp/clear/bright as top of the line lcd's with way better blacks.And i saw the a650 was nicer IMO then the darker led 750.But the bowing is way to distracting even to get a a650 for me.And the a3000 has so many thing's like motion enhancer great geometry sharp picture etc.If you can grab one on display that isnt dead/crapped out looking i would.

Nullman

05-23-08, 05:27 PM

is the effect on the picture obvious to non-videophiles?

I would think so. I wouldn't accept that. Lucky, I don't have any such problem with my 61A750.

telero

05-23-08, 05:27 PM

Where are you located and do you know if that applies to all costcos or is it regional?

I'm in Oregon, but I'd assume it's a chain wide deal.

I'm not sure if they do any price matching at all, but I'm guessing the free stand would take care of that anyway. But at least you get 90 days to take it back, for any reason. I'm just curious what their price will be for this in a couple months...how close it will be to Amazon/BB/CC, and how much the MSRP might drop by then.

Right now the only DLP that Costco has is the Mits WD-65833, and it's $2600, while the lowest price I could find elsewhere is around $2100 shipped. Although I believe you get an extra year warranty through Costco.

jayquinty

05-23-08, 05:44 PM

I'm expecting delivery later today of my 61A750. This TV is replacing my beloved Hitachi 57S500 that I really love and hate to sell, but we're having a new entertainment center built into an 8' niche in the wall and I did not want to build around the big box Hitachi. I want to be able to make use of the space below the television, since the niche is going to cost almost 3X what the TV is costing!!!

Since I have not spec'd out the height of the TV yet, I'm wondering how high to make it. I've played around with a tape measure, and it looks like 22" off the floor would put the screen slightly higher than the Hitachi. I'm estimating (because I don't have the TV yet) that mid screen will be about 44" off the floor.(with the TV shelf at 22") My Hitachi mid-screen height is around 40" off the floor. I'm wondering if this extra 4" up will be too high for viewing from 12' away. It will definitely be nicer for viewing from across the room.

This is in a large 22' X 25' great room, with the kitchen behind the family room. Seating area for the TV is about 12' away. So from the kitchen, you'd be looking beyond the sofa to the TV on the other side of the room, 20' away. I'm leaning towards having the TV a little high for viewing from the kitchen area. If I put the base of the TV at 22" off the floor, the middle of the screen on the 61A750 will be probably 6" higher than the middle of the Hitachi RPTV. I never noticed a problem with dimming of the picture on the Hitachi (high to low), but I believe the DLP may be more noticable, high to low. I read that on the last model Samsung, dimming was more noticable when you looked down on the TV versus looking up. I'd apprecaite any input you folks have on this.

Thanks
Jay

CEB II

05-23-08, 05:51 PM

We currently own Samsung HLN507W, which the wife agrees we will replace before the end of the year. We are primarily looking at LCDs, but every so often the wife asks why we don't consider another DLP since we have been happy with the one we've had for almost 5 years and we could save a few bucks. So I always take a quick look to see what is up with the new DLPs.

Last year's Sammy DLPs were terrible. Maybe they were rated 1080p, but I wouldn't have traded my current Sammy DLP for any of them. My wife was shocked when she saw them. I saw some Series 6 units about a month ago and was impressed with the improvement in PQ and horizontal viewing angle over the 2007 models. Today, while on my way out of a CC store, I spotted the first Series 7 model that I've seen.

So what was my reaction, disappointment. While it definitely has a brighter and sharper picture than its predecessors, this LED DLP pales in basic video sharpness, depth of color, and viewing angle to the Series 6. No way would I replace my current Sammy with this model, it isn't as enjoyable to watch. Now I would consider a Series 6 based on PQ, since it would be equal to or better than my current Sammy; however, the comments on this thread about bowing issues certainly discourage that.

The CC store where I saw the Series 7 had a Mitsu (don't remember the model number) next to it and a Series 6 next to the Mitsu. Walking from the Series 7 to the Mitsu and then to the Series 6 was a progression of PQ and viewing angle, with the Series 6 the best and the Mitsu second. The Series 7 just has that dull soupy color look to it without any "pop" and what color sharpness it has fades badly once you move about 30 degrees off center (no I didn't use a protractor, but I'm an ME with a PE, so I have some sense of angular measurement via visual inspection). The Series 6 PQ and viewing angle were very good and, but for the cabinet and picture distortion problem, would probably be on my replacement candidate list.

BTW, I'm not one of those who thinks he sees rainbows and I don't know anyone who has ever seen a rainbow with my current Sammy. I also don't have an issue with the lamp replacement in DLPs. I replaced my first lamp at about 7000 hours because we thought it was failing. It wasn't, it was a video board problem, so I still have that lamp as a backup. The second lamp is still going strong at over 9000 hours. Total investment in lamps for almost 17,000 hours of use is about $200. No big deal.

If I thought the bowing and distortion problems would be fixed by late in the year, I'd really consider the Series 6, but I think that Samsung is suffering the unintended consequences of trying to get the slimmest and lightest DLP on the market.

JPOnion

05-23-08, 06:13 PM

Quick question: Does big river have a price guarentee? I'm just wondering if the price drops on their site in a few weeks if I'll be able to get the difference.

STR3T

05-23-08, 06:30 PM

CEB II, I couldn't disagree you more. I too went from HLN567W to an 61A750. I too have 5 years of viewing under the old lamp model. My lamp is still going at 10k hours, but I had to replace (under warranty fortunately) the light engine twice.

Aside from that, i was concerned going from lamp to LED due to large windows where this set resides. It's a non-issue. The LED is plenty bright. LOST episodes have never looked so crisp, colorful and "wow" than what I first felt moving to the original 56". Blue Ray via PS3 is awesome, altho I've got limited # of viewings thru BD.

I got 6" more diagonal (you'd get 11" more!), slimmer, less lbs, no lamp, 3 HDMI's, 3D, less noise, less power consumption, etc. etc. for 1/2 the price of the HLN. Unless you think you're going to be moving this set around frequently, the frame is minimal issue.

Guys, you simply can't walk into BB and/or CC and assume you are seeing what these sets are capable of doing. You can't. Take one home under "buy it, try it". I bet you keep it. I dare ya'.

arthurvino

05-23-08, 06:32 PM

Not to hijack Samsung thread, but quick google search turns up cheaper wd65736:

http://www.preferredphoto.com/viewproduct.aspx?ID=9978032&l=Froogle

Their step-up model is listed at $1500...take a look: http://www.us-appliance.com/wd65736.html

seperating teh gap even more :eek:

Sgooter

05-23-08, 06:33 PM

[QUOTE=jayquinty;13934062]..I'm expecting delivery later today of my 61A750. Since I have not spec'd out the height of the TV yet, I'm wondering how high to make it... I'd apprecaite any input you folks have on this./QUOTE]

FWIW, my 61A750 sits atop a stand that's 19.5" high, and the stand itself sits on a raised platform that's 9" high, so 28.5" total height. My viewing distance is also 12', and whether I'm sitting or lying on the family room sofa or standing in front of the TV, there's no vertical fall-off (dimming) on this TV. I, too, was concerned about fall-off parameters for this particular TV model, but it has proven to be a non-issue thus far. Each day of viewing this TV has been a very positive experience.
Hope you have good results with your 750 -- keep us informed.

AdamWL

05-23-08, 07:41 PM

is the effect on the picture obvious to non-videophiles?

Honestly, it's only an issue, but a discernible issue, when you are viewing 4:3 content. If you're happily watching everything in 16:9 or stretching 4:3 to 16:9, you don't see it while viewing a program. However you will see it when putting up your programming guide or DVR menu. And yes, it nags at you. It's like getting a brand new car that has a big chip in the paint right on the drivers side door. You can't not look at it.

For the people that are taking the time to be on this list, we're likely going to want to view programming in the native aspect ratio that it was produced in. And even my wife, who could care less what technology or specs the TV has, complains about the 4:3 image leaning over. For $2K, a straight line should be nearly a straight line. Rant complete.

AdamWL

05-23-08, 07:53 PM

Quick question: Does big river have a price guarentee? I'm just wondering if the price drops on their site in a few weeks if I'll be able to get the difference.

Amazon really is the greatest when it comes to customer service and their price guarantee. Though they do NOT offer price matching to other merchants, if you buy DIRECTLY through Amazon and their own price, NOT a Marketplace merchant, comes down within 30-days of when you RECEIVE it, they will refund the difference, with no hassle at all. All you need to is call them or email the request (the onus is on you and you'll have to watch the price throughout the month with all the fluctuations).

I've had them refund price drops many a times and they've been great about it. Even if it's a few days after you got it they'll usually say "No problem and thanks for being an Amazon customer!" Plug complete.

missrunt

05-23-08, 09:24 PM

I'm pleased to say that our 67" has none of the bowing/tilt issues so many have complained about in the 61".

I'm yet to see anyone complain about their 67" on this board. Anyone out there had a problem with a 67" yet???

I'm sure the more rigid cabinet design has a lot to do with it, also maybe the fact these problems were addressed before the final production trigger was pulled.

Thoughts????

Peace
MR

moonhawk

05-23-08, 09:39 PM

Guys this is reality these new slim line 2008 and slim 2007 samsung dlp tv"s are a bowing/tilt mess.People who buy them and say even though it bothers me i will "live with it" are telling samsung hey we can keep making our dlp's a mess with the bowing/tilt because joe bob and larry,curly etc are gonna "live with it".Sorry but if without evening being OCD and when your set is turned on and visitors are like why is it drooping like a clothsline in the center etc etc that is insane.If this was so small only a OCD guy who busted out a tape measure looking for problems could only see it then it would be "ok".If it dont bug you then cool but for the 99% who think paying around 2k plus for tv"s that bow like this isnt ok then return them while you can.Show samsung as these pile up returned its not "ok" then find a alternative tv.

Agreed with your point and your strategy--except that they don't all have this problem.

So if you otherwise like the set for all its good qualities, just keep returning until you get a good one.

Samsung will still get the message.

But they ain't ALL bad...and like the other guy said, all these new TVs have issues.

DLP is still the best bang for the buck, by a mile..

theranman

05-23-08, 09:40 PM

I don't think there are enough 67" owners yet to draw conclusions. Fingers crossed.

t3watts3

05-23-08, 09:47 PM

Anyone heard anything about the darkchip 4 being used?

AdamWL

05-23-08, 11:00 PM

Anyone heard anything about the darkchip 4 being used?

All evidence leads to the conclusion that none of Samsung DLPs are using the DC4 chip as yet. Only the Mitsu DLPs have moved this year to the DC4. Some are speculating that a rumored 850 series may incorporate the DC4, but there's absolutely no tangible information on when (or if). If Samsung stays in the DLP business, I'm sure it will find its way in sooner (or later).

As with any technology product, there's always going to be a newer and better product coming out next for a lesser price. Buy when you're ready... and no matter what happens, they'll also be a tinge of buyer's remorse when the price drops and the next better thing comes out! Hey, there's always Craig's List.

farzad

05-23-08, 11:01 PM

well spoken except to add that the preponderance of information seems to be that its still has kick ass picture quality.

AdamWL

05-23-08, 11:14 PM

...add that the preponderance of information seems to be that its still has kick ass picture quality.

I agree. I'm actually glad my 61a750 had geometry issues so I was able to step up to the 67". As soon as the 61's out of here I hope the 67's right behind it.

FoeHammer117

05-24-08, 12:32 AM

CC has a 10% off coupon out now -

http://a.slickdeals.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=96587&d=1211395897 which brings the price down to 1710 for 61a750

Thanks for that mate!

grburke

05-24-08, 05:33 AM

Samsung tech support told me that the 750 series does NOT have the Dark chip 4.
The DND chip is xHD5.

Teknomedic

05-24-08, 07:19 AM

I should be getting the 67" sometime this weekend (with luck today the 24th)... but I won't get quality viewing time until Monday.

I'll do my best to answer any questions about the set... I'll also put a grid up ASAP and at least report if I see any problems there.

xbr4pixels

05-24-08, 08:01 AM

Agreed with your point and your strategy--except that they don't all have this problem.

So if you otherwise like the set for all its good qualities, just keep returning until you get a good one.

Samsung will still get the message.

But they ain't ALL bad...and like the other guy said, all these new TVs have issues.

DLP is still the best bang for the buck, by a mile..
If they aint all bad a very high percent are at least noticing bowing though.But if you have one with no bowing which IMO is beyond rare cool.But still if there are a small percent perfect then still samsung dropped the ball.It should be a small percent are bowing if anything.Im curios to know if the hl67a750 bow less/more then the 61a750.common sense would suggest more due to the larger/longer screen.But anyone with a 67 care to say?

arthurvino

05-24-08, 08:05 AM

Mike - add to the FAQ please..

Samsung tech support told me that the 750 series does NOT have the Dark chip 4.
The DND chip is xHD5.

vfrjim

05-24-08, 08:38 AM

Has anyone plugged their XXA750 series (61 or 67") into a Kill-A-Watt meter and noted the usage in watts? I was thinking of bringing my meter to BB to test it. My antique HLM/N series uses 181 watts and want to reduce, especially @ 12 hours a day.

ztkp01

05-24-08, 10:06 AM

Mike - add to the FAQ please..
I'd get more confirmation before you document too much as "official". Seems like the jury is still out on this issue.

mike_pro

05-24-08, 10:27 AM

I went from a 5 year old HLN617W to the HL61A750 and the improvement in picture quality was tremendous. I think you are the first person I recall on these forums who has said their old HLN set looks better. Just doesn't make sense, the new DLP chip is several generations improved over the old HLN chips. I think you need to chalk up your experience to either a poorly, misadjusted, or defective set, or terrible viewing conditions. If you got a new 650 or 750 in your home and set it up for a side by side comparison with your old set, (which I have done), I think you would be impressed.

We currently own Samsung HLN507W, which the wife agrees we will replace before the end of the year. We are primarily looking at LCDs, but every so often the wife asks why we don't consider another DLP since we have been happy with the one we've had for almost 5 years and we could save a few bucks. So I always take a quick look to see what is up with the new DLPs.

Last year's Sammy DLPs were terrible. Maybe they were rated 1080p, but I wouldn't have traded my current Sammy DLP for any of them. My wife was shocked when she saw them. I saw some Series 6 units about a month ago and was impressed with the improvement in PQ and horizontal viewing angle over the 2007 models. Today, while on my way out of a CC store, I spotted the first Series 7 model that I've seen.

So what was my reaction, disappointment. While it definitely has a brighter and sharper picture than its predecessors, this LED DLP pales in basic video sharpness, depth of color, and viewing angle to the Series 6. No way would I replace my current Sammy with this model, it isn't as enjoyable to watch. Now I would consider a Series 6 based on PQ, since it would be equal to or better than my current Sammy; however, the comments on this thread about bowing issues certainly discourage that.

The CC store where I saw the Series 7 had a Mitsu (don't remember the model number) next to it and a Series 6 next to the Mitsu. Walking from the Series 7 to the Mitsu and then to the Series 6 was a progression of PQ and viewing angle, with the Series 6 the best and the Mitsu second. The Series 7 just has that dull soupy color look to it without any "pop" and what color sharpness it has fades badly once you move about 30 degrees off center (no I didn't use a protractor, but I'm an ME with a PE, so I have some sense of angular measurement via visual inspection). The Series 6 PQ and viewing angle were very good and, but for the cabinet and picture distortion problem, would probably be on my replacement candidate list.

BTW, I'm not one of those who thinks he sees rainbows and I don't know anyone who has ever seen a rainbow with my current Sammy. I also don't have an issue with the lamp replacement in DLPs. I replaced my first lamp at about 7000 hours because we thought it was failing. It wasn't, it was a video board problem, so I still have that lamp as a backup. The second lamp is still going strong at over 9000 hours. Total investment in lamps for almost 17,000 hours of use is about $200. No big deal.

If I thought the bowing and distortion problems would be fixed by late in the year, I'd really consider the Series 6, but I think that Samsung is suffering the unintended consequences of trying to get the slimmest and lightest DLP on the market.

mike_pro

05-24-08, 10:29 AM

Mike - add to the FAQ please..

Already added based on some additional information someone posted directly from the 750 service menu. I think it is becoming clear that is does NOT have the darkchip4. However, I still think it has an awesome picture, and at least for me the advantages of this LED set over the new DC4 Mitsu's are worth it to me, even if the Mitsu has marginally better PQ.

t3watts3

05-24-08, 11:03 AM

Already added based on some additional information someone posted directly from the 750 service menu. I think it is becoming clear that is does NOT have the darkchip4. However, I still think it has an awesome picture, and at least for me the advantages of this LED set over the new DC4 Mitsu's are worth it to me, even if the Mitsu has marginally better PQ.

Which model's of the Mitsu's have the dark chip 4? I'm looking at the 61 - 73 inch range.

By the way when I get to work I'll see if I can find more information about DC4 with Samsung DLP's.

I'm trying to decide between the Sammy HL67A750 or HL61A750 or HL72A650 and the Mitsu WD73736 or WD65736. I dont think I want the Mitsu 735 series.

This TV is going to be used in my new Media Room. No windows to worry about in this room so lighting will be perfect.

moonhawk

05-24-08, 11:58 AM

By the way when I get to work I'll see if I can find more information about DC4 with Samsung DLP's.

Good luck with that! :rolleyes:

Unless you work in the industry and have some SERIOUS inside connections.

This thread has been all over that issue for months, and no definitive word has emerged, though it's looking less and less likely these sets have DC$.

That said, the issues seem to be dropping, no bad geometry reports yet on the 67 inchers, and most posters seem to be really pleased with the overall PQ, naysayers notwithstanding.

I'll probably wait to see how the Mits lasers play out, but I'm looking favorably on the 67.

But for now, especially with limited viewing this time of year, I'm perfectly happy with my HLN567W.

It's nice to be able to afford to wait and see. :)

t3watts3

05-24-08, 12:11 PM

Good luck with that! :rolleyes:

Unless you work in the industry and have some SERIOUS inside connections.

This thread has been all over that issue for months, and no definitive word has emerged, though it's looking less and less likely these sets have DC$.

That said, the issues seem to be dropping, no bad geometry reports yet on the 67 inchers, and most posters seem to be really pleased with the overall PQ, naysayers notwithstanding.

I'll probably wait to see how the Mits lasers play out, but I'm looking favorably on the 67.

But for now, especially with limited viewing this time of year, I'm perfectly happy with my HLN567W.

It's nice to be able to afford to wait and see. :)

I'll be able to find out information but I may not be able to say anything if it's under a NDA. I can't risk my job. I don't work for any of the companies that make the DLP TV's but I work for the company that makes the key component :D

I can afford to wait as well since it's going to take about 8 months to build our house.

donb1948

05-24-08, 12:48 PM

Exchanged my 1st HL56A650 thru BB because of a small, but annoying, geometry issue. Checked out the new set this morning. At first, I thought that the geometry looked worst but on measurement, nothing varied by more than 1/16 of an inch (woe be the powers of suggestion and low expectations). Feeling good about that, I started my usual routine of photographing the service menu. Hmmm... This set has earlier firmware than my previous set. Samsung service (2nd level) could not/would not tell me what differences might exist btwn the two versions. As far as service is concerned, no update route exists. (If I could come up with an issue the newer software might resolve, they might be able to get a copy for me.) This could very well be "Much Ado About Nothing," but nevertheless, it's got me wondering if (or, imagining that) I'm missing out on the latest and greatest again. OK, some of us are never satisfied...

AdamWL

05-24-08, 02:34 PM

Though its an Internet etailer, Electronique Plus is selling the 67a750 for $2,087.00. Though Best Buy doesn't match Internet dealer pricing, I mentioned the price to a floor sales rep. She took a look at their margin and said, they could likely match that price, though it would be up to the manager. She said to bring in the printed price and she would run it by him.

I think this is just the tip of the ice burg. I think we'll see pricing under $2,000 from both Internet and B&M within 45-days of the 6/1 official launch date. They're going to have to cut their margins if they expect to move these products during today's economy... I feel bad for movie theater owners.

arthurvino

05-24-08, 06:10 PM

its the best times for movie theater owners, why would you feel bad?

AdamWL

05-24-08, 07:03 PM

its the best times for movie theater owners, why would you feel bad?

I wasn't talking about "home" theater movie owners. I was talking about the $14.00 a ticket cinema theater owners. I had three multiplex cinemas within 10-miles of me. Now there's one. The others are vacant lots. I haven't "gone to the movies" in over two years. With 67" HDTV's and HD content over cable, satellite, blu-ray/HD DVD and digital download, how many "go" to the movies any more?

yankeeman

05-24-08, 08:54 PM

I wasn't talking about "home" theater movie owners. I was talking about the $14.00 a ticket cinema theater owners. I had three multiplex cinemas within 10-miles of me. Now there's one. The others are vacant lots. I haven't "gone to the movies" in over two years. With 67" HDTV's and HD content over cable, satellite, blu-ray/HD DVD and digital download, how many "go" to the movies any more?

$14 a ticket? Huh? I live inbetween Miami and Ft Lauderdale and I in the lucky spot of having a Muvico with 18 screens 2 miles from me and a Regal with 13 screens 1-1/2 miles from me, both do great, and both charge between $7 - $9 a ticket. My wife and I go to the movies at least twice a month, many times more, and the patrons there are pretty good, they usually dont bug us. Are you serious about $14 a ticket??????

AdamWL

05-24-08, 09:20 PM

$14 a ticket? Huh? I live inbetween Miami and Ft Lauderdale and I in the lucky spot of having a Muvico with 18 screens 2 miles from me and a Regal with 13 screens 1-1/2 miles from me, both do great, and both charge between $7 - $9 a ticket. My wife and I go to the movies at least twice a month, many times more, and the patrons there are pretty good, they usually dont bug us. Are you serious about $14 a ticket??????

When you live just outside NYC you got to cough up $14. Matinees are $8.50- a veritable bargain. Take the wife and kid along with a large popcorn and three sodas and you're talking $53 for the three of us. I'll wait for our supermarket Red Box to rent for a buck on watch on our own theater screen.

I used to love going to the movies. I went to my local multiplex every Friday night with a friend from work (before getting married). Then I realized $19 a week for a 2-hour movie was better spent elsewhere...

tomanik

05-24-08, 10:10 PM

Haven't seen any posts for this but for those of us in Canada I picked up my 67A750 from directbuy this morning so they do exist north of the border. :)

moonhawk

05-24-08, 11:25 PM

combien de loonies? :D

N8DOGG

05-25-08, 12:40 AM

Nice! I'll be picking up my 67A750 in the next 2 weeks here in winnipeg.
What stands are you people using for this beast?

missrunt

05-25-08, 12:46 AM

Just wanted to say that we tried Stevenz's settings on our 67" and they really brought her to life. Everyone should try these with the 61-67 and see for themselves. We like it a lot, and the HD channels jump off the screen while HD DVD movies are sharp as tacks.

Anyone having issues with green tint should be happy with this setting.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13626675#post13626675

Peace
MR

Charles R

05-25-08, 01:03 AM

Anyone having issues with green tint should be happy with this setting.How could these settings help with a green tint when they are upping green? Anyway I tried the settings and colors are extremely overblown and greenish (Amy's blonde hair looks green on Saturday Night Live).

Teknomedic

05-25-08, 02:03 AM

for those that want to know... I picked up the HL67A750 today before work... I'm at work now so I can't open the set or test it out yet... but at least I have some box measurements for you all...

HL67A750 box size...

W = 20.5"
H = 46"
L = 65.75"

Not sure if I'd recommend transporting this flat... but others have done so with the smaller sets and been OK... but there's an increased risk of getting "dark spots" (which is dust, fuzz or styrofoam getting stuck to either the mirrors or screen) being displayed. I would think though that if you take it easy and slow on the way home you'd probably be OK, but just understand there's probably a higher risk of a mirror bouncing wrong and cracking.

I'll do my best to report more the morning of the 25th (USA Central Time).

Can someone provide me a link to some "good" settings to try both in and out of the service menu?

Also... what's the latest firmware for the 67" and can someone provide a link yet?

thanks,
TK.

missrunt

05-25-08, 02:40 AM

How could these settings help with a green tint when they are upping green? Anyway I tried the settings and colors are extremely overblown and greenish (Amy's blonde hair looks green on Saturday Night Live).

You might have issues with something other than these settings. The gamma and white settings did wonders for our slight green tint. I doubt there is much difference with the 61-67...just stating the facts when looking at our 67".

We're spoiled to double stacked Barco's @ 120" BTW ;)

Peace
MR

AdamWL

05-25-08, 03:18 AM

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AdamWL

05-25-08, 03:27 AM

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Now if they'll honor an Internet dealer price match and a 10% off coupon for the 67a750 and we got a deal. I'm off to Best Buy tomorrow (later today) to wheel and deal. Let's see how much they really want to sell these units.

Man-Fai Wong

05-25-08, 03:32 AM

AdamWL

05-25-08, 03:52 AM

AdamWL,

You mentioned you're in the NYC area. If you're successful, please also report back on which Best Buy you got it done at. I looked at the site for in-store pickups (to get an idea which one might actually have these sets on display), but couldn't find a single one in the NYC area for that. Closest one seems to be in NJ, and I'm not sure it makes sense to trek out there to try to wheel and deal for a (61") set.

Thanks.

_Man_

I went to the Patchogue store on LI, just off of Sunrise Highway. They've had the 61a750 on display for about four weeks now (they didn't get the 67s in yet). After mentioning it to them, they said that if there were any geometry issues, they would replace it until you got one that you were happy with. I'd call around to some other LI stores to see if they have them on display.

It appears that your mileage will vary on them agreeing to price matches that aren't local/regional B&Ms. But I was told its all up to the manager you speak with. I'll see what happens later today...

missrunt

05-25-08, 04:03 AM

I went to the Patchogue store on LI, just off of Sunrise Highway. They've had the 61a750 on display for about four weeks now (they didn't get the 67s in yet). After mentioning it to them, they said that if there were any geometry issues, they would replace it until you got one that you were happy with. I'd call around to some other LI stores to see if they have them on display.

It appears that your mileage will vary on them agreeing to price matches that aren't local/regional B&Ms. But I was told its all up to the manager you speak with. I'll see what happens later today...

Get the 67" there are no GEO issues!!! These are disposable TV's with great PQ! They filter from south to north hence being made in Mexico.

BTW: CC has a 60 day match on prices if you talk to the salesman nice.

I'm pretty sure we're the first to have one and talk about it on here. 8 days and counting without fail ;) All this fuss over a TV blows my mind!

Peace
MR

Teknomedic

05-25-08, 04:09 AM

AdamWL

05-25-08, 04:14 AM

Get the 67" there are no GEO issues!!! These are disposable TV's with great PQ! They filter from south to north hence being made in Mexico.

BTW: CC has a 60 day match on prices if you talk to the salesman nice.

I'm pretty sure we're the first to have one and talk about it on here. 8 days and counting without fail ;) All this fuss over a TV blows my mind!

Peace
MR

I agree about the 67 on both counts. This TV business had distracted me way too much. I've had a geometry problem 61a750 sitting in my living room for the past 3-weeks waiting for the Internet dealer to send a truck and pick it up. Working from home, this thing stares back at me all day long. I just want this to be settled once and for all and to get back to reality (and enjoying the TV of course)!

missrunt

05-25-08, 04:23 AM

hope you're right about the GEO issues... I'm a little worried since my box seems a little "scrunched" (sp?) but crossing my fingers the thicker casing holds up. Only about 4 more hours before I can test it out.

The 67" are much better builds than the 61..you'll be fine. Just realize that shipping damage is shipping damage. Check it out and file claim if you are not satisfied!

MR

missrunt

05-25-08, 04:28 AM

I agree about the 67 on both counts. This TV business had distracted me way too much. I've had a geometry problem 61a750 sitting in my living room for the past 3-weeks waiting for the Internet dealer to send a truck and pick it up. Working from home, this thing stares back at me all day long. I just want this to be settled once and for all and to get back to reality (and enjoying the TV of course)!

Adam...

Man those issues sound like too much to deal with!

Make em' send you a nice shiny new 67" and love life again. After all, it's just a TV. You'll be glad you did, and this set is way better than the flimsy 61!

Peace
MR

Teknomedic

05-25-08, 04:28 AM

Oh... I will, lol. ...but mostly I'll just exchange it at BB since that's where I picked it up from. Basically the plastic "straps" have dug into the box and there are scrunches on about half of the corners... and it's missing one of those plastic box holders near the bottom of the box. I saw this when the BB guy rolled it out to me, but I didn't say anything since this was shipped from the warehouse and I know my store doesn't have any others to exchange with right now... but I'll start the exchange process if I find anything wrong with it when I open the box.

... I know nearly all the BB customer service people by first name... and they know me as well. lol. ;)

The 67" are much better builds than the 61..you'll be fine. Just realize that shipping damage is shipping damage. Check it out and file claim if you are not satisfied!

MR