... Samsung's sixth generation of DNie (Five image processors and a six-times density enhancer) ... Wow! :cool:

Could you elaborate a little on this. You wrote the following post in the xx87/89 Thread about DNIe, but simply quoted Samsung's explanation.

DNIe Technology in a Nutshell
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11790067&highlight=DNie#post11790067

Most of the recommendations for settings suggest DNIe OFF. How does the DNIe ON/OFF setting relate to the multiple features of "6th gen of DNIe" ?

When DNIe is set to OFF is DNIe technology still working? :confused:

Thanks. Avio

Wow! :cool:

Could you elaborate a little on this. You wrote the following post in the xx87/89 Thread about DNIe, but simply quoted Samsung's explanation.

DNIe Technology in a Nutshell
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11790067&highlight=DNie#post11790067

Most of the recommendations for settings suggest DNIe OFF. How does the DNIe ON/OFF setting relate to the multiple features of "6th gen of DNIe" ?

When DNIe is set to OFF is DNIe technology still working? :confused:

Thanks. AvioWell DNie image processing is definitely in play when watching broadcast in either dynamic or standard mode, regarding the earlier question. But in movie mode DNie is off, but digital noise reduction is still enabled.

Again, I will not confirm I will buy unless one of two things happen.

1. The new LED model is CHEAP

Or

2. It has the DC4

I hope it's 2

Samsung said the 2008 models will be introduced in April and June. Maybe the Dark Chip 4 will be introduced in June and not April? "Just a thought".

Hey guys just ran across this:

psabrowse.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=6&products_id=26389

For the HL61A750. Do you think it will be at MSRP when it hits and if so how long before we start seeing a drop? No mention of Darkchip 4 that I could tell.

Hey guys just ran across this:

psabrowse.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=6&products_id=26389

For the HL61A750. Do you think it will be at MSRP when it hits and if so how long before we start seeing a drop? No mention of Darkchip 4 that I could tell.Thanks Ivan244 for the post there were a few more models listed, see below! :)
Original post updated.

50" Widescreen DLP HDTV with 1080p
Model Number: HL50A650 (http://www.psabrowse.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=6&products_id=26386)
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MSRP: $1899.99

# Slim bezel (0.6"), "piano black" cabinet
# Slim depth - fits where other's won't™
# Samsung Cinema Smooth™ 1080p light engine
- Full HD 1920 x 1080 digital format converter for all inputs
- Single-panel DLP design - crystal clear picture without any possibility of convergence errors
- Smooth, film-like images and ultra quiet operation
# Analog and full digital NTSC/ATSC tuners with Clear QAM
# Energy Star compliant
# Sports Mode enhances color and audio experience
# Single user interface for easy menu surfing
# Game Mode enhances game console performance
# 3D ready - Future-proof your HD experience
# 10W x 2 audio power
# SRS TruSurround XT™
# Hidden speaker system (DACS™)
# 3 HDMI inputs
# 2 Component Video inputs
# S-Video Input
# 2 Composite A/V inputs
# USB 2.0 (Wiselink)
# PC (RGB/HDMI) input with 1080p input support
# RS232C interface

56" Widescreen DLP HDTV with 1080p
Model Number: HL56A650 (http://www.psabrowse.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=6&products_id=26387)
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MSRP: $2099.99

# Slim bezel (0.6"), "piano black" cabinet
# Slim depth - fits where other's won't™
# Samsung Cinema Smooth™ 1080p light engine
- Full HD 1920 x 1080 digital format converter for all inputs
- Single-panel DLP design - crystal clear picture without any possibility of convergence errors
- Smooth, film-like images and ultra quiet operation
# Analog and full digital NTSC/ATSC tuners with Clear QAM
# Energy Star compliant
# Sports Mode enhances color and audio experience
# Single user interface for easy menu surfing
# Game Mode enhances game console performance
# 3D ready - Future-proof your HD experience
# 10W x 2 audio power
# SRS TruSurround XT™
# Hidden speaker system (DACS™)
# 3 HDMI inputs
# 2 Component Video inputs
# S-Video Input
# 2 Composite A/V inputs
# USB 2.0 (Wiselink)
# PC (RGB/HDMI) input with 1080p input support
# RS232C interface

61" Widescreen DLP HDTV with 1080p
Model Number: HL61A650 (http://www.psabrowse.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=6&products_id=26388)
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MSRP: $2299.99

# Slim bezel (0.6"), "piano black" cabinet
# Slim depth - fits where other's won't™
# Samsung Cinema Smooth™ 1080p light engine
- Full HD 1920 x 1080 digital format converter for all inputs
- Single-panel DLP design - crystal clear picture without any possibility of convergence errors
- Smooth, film-like images and ultra quiet operation
# Analog and full digital NTSC/ATSC tuners with Clear QAM
# Energy Star compliant
# Sports Mode enhances color and audio experience
# Single user interface for easy menu surfing
# Game Mode enhances game console performance
# 3D ready - Future-proof your HD experience
# 10W x 2 audio power
# SRS TruSurround XT™
# Hidden speaker system (DACS™)
# 3 HDMI inputs
# 2 Component Video inputs
# S-Video Input
# 2 Composite A/V inputs
# USB 2.0 (Wiselink)
# PC (RGB/HDMI) input with 1080p input support
# RS232C interface

61" LED Powered DLP HDTV with 1080p
Model Number: HL61A750 (http://www.psabrowse.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=6&products_id=26389)
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MSRP: $2699.99

# Slim bezel (0.6"), "piano black" cabinet
# Slim depth - fits where other's won't™
# Single Tuner Picture-in-picture
# Samsung CinemaPure™ 1080p LED light engine
- Reliable LED solid state illumination for long life and up to 40% more color
- Built-in light sensor with beam current feedback insures stable light output for the life of the TV
- Full HD 1920 x 1080 digital format converter for all inputs
- Single-panel DLP design - crystal clear picture without any possibility of convergence errors
- Smooth, film-like images and ultra quiet operation
# Analog and full digital NTSC/ATSC tuners with Clear QAM
# Energy Star compliant
# Sports Mode enhances color and audio experience
# Single user interface for easy menu surfing
# Game Mode enhances game console performance
# 3D ready - Future-proof your HD experience
# 10W x 2 audio power
# SRS TruSurround XT™
# Hidden speaker system (DACS™)
# 3 HDMI inputs
# 2 Component Video inputs
# 2 S-Video inputs
# 2 Composite A/V inputs
# USB 2.0 (Wiselink)
# PC (RGB/HDMI) input with 1080p input support
# RS232C interface

67" LED Powered DLP HDTV with 1080p
Model Number: HL67A750 (http://www.psabrowse.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=6&products_id=26390)
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MSRP: $3199.99

# Slim bezel (0.6"), "piano black" cabinet
# Slim depth - fits where other's won't™
# Single Tuner Picture-in-picture
# Samsung CinemaPure™ 1080p LED light engine
- Reliable LED solid state illumination for long life and up to 40% more color
- Built-in light sensor with beam current feedback insures stable light output for the life of the TV
- Full HD 1920 x 1080 digital format converter for all inputs
- Single-panel DLP design - crystal clear picture without any possibility of convergence errors
- Smooth, film-like images and ultra quiet operation
# Analog and full digital NTSC/ATSC tuners with Clear QAM
# Energy Star compliant
# Sports Mode enhances color and audio experience
# Single user interface for easy menu surfing
# Game Mode enhances game console performance
# 3D ready - Future-proof your HD experience
# 10W x 2 audio power
# SRS TruSurround XT™
# Hidden speaker system (DACS™)
# 3 HDMI inputs
# 2 Component Video inputs
# 2 S-Video inputs
# 2 Composite A/V inputs
# USB 2.0 (Wiselink)
# PC (RGB/HDMI) input with 1080p input support
# RS232C interface

61" LED Powered DLP HDTV with 1080p
Model Number: HL61A750 (http://www.psabrowse.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=6&products_id=26389)

- Smooth, film-like images and ultra quiet operation

67" LED Powered DLP HDTV with 1080p
Model Number: HL67A750 (http://www.psabrowse.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=6&products_id=26390)

- Smooth, film-like images and ultra quiet operation - Smooth, film-like images and ultra quiet operation

For those new to Samsung's DLP sets this is their reference to their wobulated chips. I bought a "smooth" set in 2004 and still like that look. Others don't.

those prices sound great, now to buy a smaller tv for the bedroom and wait for one of these for the main room.

- Smooth, film-like images and ultra quiet operation

For those new to Samsung's DLP sets this is their reference to their wobulated chips. I bought a "smooth" set in 2004 and still like that look. Others don't.And, to elaborate, here's Samsung's 2007 "smooth" language from my LED HL-T5689S spec sheet.



Cinema Smooth™ Light Engine
Samsung is the worldwide leader in creating light engines that harness DLP HDTV technology from Texas Instruments. Samsung’s Cinema Smooth light engine brings together the right optics, electronic circuitry and replaceable light source to create a brilliant picture that’s more lifelike and much closer to film. Now in its sixth year of evolution, Samsung’s Cinema Smooth light engine delivers crisp, 1080p High Definition resolution with high contrast and brightness, defined edges and sharp detail. ...

Cinema Smooth™ Film Mode 3:2 Pull Down
Powered by Samsung’s Cinema Smooth technology, 3:2 Pull Down corrects for the artificial frames created when films are converted to DVDs. The result is a clearer image without the subtle motion artifacts caused by 24-to-30 frames per second video conversion.And from the Wiki:

... While wobulation can in theory be used in many types of display devices, it is currently primarily used in displays using Digital Light Processing (DLP). DLP is a Texas Instruments (TI) technology which relies on a Digital Micromirror Device (DMD) chip. TI calls its implementation of wobulation 'SmoothPicture'. Horizontal wobulation used in current TI products allows a DMD chip with a 960x1080 mirror array to produce a 1920x1080 pixel picture. Also, the image overlap inherent in the use of wobulation eliminates the 'screen door' effect common on other fixed pixel displays such as plasma and LCD, but may in some implementations also create some reduction in sharpness. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobulation


I like it too. :cool: Avio

Hmmm, noticed something about the site. Has the current HLT6187S down for a price of $2,799.99. And the newer model at a MSRP of $2699.99. Now that TV (HLT6187S) is around 1900 or so. So if this site is listing MSRP at 900 higher then what stores are selling them for, I wonder if the new model will be much lower then the 2700 listed.

EDIT: I didn't think about it but it may be that this is against rules since I posted prices. Although it is mainly just for comparison and not prices for any one store. So Mods if this is nogo let me know and I'll remove it.

Hmmm, noticed something about the site. Has the current HLT6187S down for a price of $2,799.99. And the newer model at a MSRP of $2699.99. Now that TV (HLT6187S) is around 1900 or so. So if this site is listing MSRP at 900 higher then what stores are selling them for, I wonder if the new model will be much lower then the 2700 listed.

EDIT: I didn't think about it but it may be that this is against rules since I posted prices. Although it is mainly just for comparison and not prices for any one store. So Mods if this is nogo let me know and I'll remove it.Thats the MSRP $2799 for the HLT6187s, amazon currently shows it at $2699 list. Many B&M stores and online dealers have lower prices.

JohnAV good point . I am in the market for one of the 2007 or 08 models and I also had questions on the brightness and went over to my friends house that has a Gen1 71 Sammy and he also had it professionally tuned and he was showing me the different modes and I think it was dynamic and the whites were to bright to watch hockey in HD . His TV was just the color wheel and i was blown away by the PQ. I can only imagine the 07 and 08 models. I may just opt with a good deal on the 07 LED models the online deals are great and have to think some of the hype by Sammy is just hype IMO for the 08 but will hold off just to make sure :) unless I just have an impulse buy :).

i think the led dlp's are great tv's.

any new news latley? i was for sure once the superbowl passed that there would be alot more info on the new tv's coming out.

any new news latley? i was for sure once the superbowl passed that there would be alot more info on the new tv's coming out.Nope not yet, at least we got some models MSRP leaked via psabrowse.com posting. Online searches have yielded very little information.

Can I wait till June/July? :o

Anyone see the case dimensions for these new A750 61" and 67" sets?

Anyone see the case dimensions for these new A750 61" and 67" sets?

Based on photos and press info I've calculated the 61 to be 54.4 wide by 37.8 high. No idea of depth but maybe 11-12?

Oh, PLEASE let the lamp based models be produced without bowing. I've got a 5076s, and I'm waiting for these new models to come out so I can start complaining and attempt to get a non-bowing set.

Oh, PLEASE let the lamp based models be produced without bowing. I've got a 5076s, and I'm waiting for these new models to come out so I can start complaining and attempt to get a non-bowing set.One of your wishes will come true this year. ;)

Based on photos and press info I've calculated the 61 to be 54.4 wide by 37.8 high. No idea of depth but maybe 11-12?

Thanks

Can anyone who has actually seen the **A750s in operation comment on the horizontal and vertical viewing angles?

Thanks,

Wes

The horizontal viewing angle was very good. I still think the SXRD is a little better in this regard. The vertical angle was more unforgiving, but still acceptable considering the technology (RPTV) and how large it is.

w00t, found a website posting ads and prices. I won't put the price in this post per forum rules. But check out link:
http://www.onsale.com/search/search.aspx?search=Projection%2b%252f%2bDLP%2bTelevisions&id=229886896

If this pricing holds true I will definitely be picking up the 61A750! As long as the reviews hold up of course:)

If the 61" 750 goes for that, Ill buy one without thinking twice.

while I doubt that is the price, if it was I would buy one too.

I would have to think that is a typo.

The older model 61" is $1200.00 MORE than the new 67"?

Obviously a mistake there somewhere.

On the other hand, I'll take two....:D

If you check out onsale.com at resellerratings.com youll see alot of negative reviews about them in regards to customer service and inventory on hand. Amongst other things.

MSRP: xxxxx for HL61A750
at
http://www.psabrowse.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=6&products_id=26389

what do you think would be min v. distance for the 67"?

Those are awesome prices.
Authorized reseller?


w00t, found a website posting ads and prices. I won't put the price in this post per forum rules. But check out link:
http://www.onsale.com/search/search.aspx?search=Projection%2b%252f%2bDLP%2bTelevisions&id=229886896

If this pricing holds true I will definitely be picking up the 61A750! As long as the reviews hold up of course:)

what do you think would be min v. distance for the 67"?

That depends on the type of material you view, your eyesight and your tastes. Some people like an immersive experience, like in the front row of a movie theatre, in which case you might want to be as close as 8 1/2 feet (1 1/2 times the screen size). However, at that distance you would probably want to be watching a really good HD feed, such as Blu-ray. SD or overcompressed HD would look grainy.

For the type of signals that most of us watch over the regular channels, a more typical distance is 2 to 2 1/2 times the screen size, which for a 67 inch set is 11 to 14 feet. But bottom line it's your home and your TV.

Myself I sit 11 feet back from my 52 inch set (a ratio of 2 1/2) and it's fine for the mix of SD and often second-quality HD I get over satellite, but as more good HD becomes available I will want at least one size bigger the next time I buy.

Maybe i missed it in the thread, or maybe i am stupid, but about the new sets coming, when it says 61" and 67" coming in April and June, does that mean the 61" will be available in April and the 67" will be available in June or what? :confused:

Maybe i missed it in the thread, or maybe i am stupid, but about the new sets coming, when it says 61" and 67" coming in April and June, does that mean the 61" will be available in April and the 67" will be available in June or what? :confused:

Yes that is correct.

Does anyone know if the 750's will display 24p? I went thru all the pages but did not see any mention of this.

Does anyone know if the 750's will display 24p? I went thru all the pages but did not see any mention of this.

Also, are these going to display it at 240hz like the signs at CES mentioned? With Darkchip4?

Also, are these going to display it at 240hz like the signs at CES mentioned? With Darkchip4?

I really hope so but right now we don't know. I'm sure someone on this forum knows but probably under an NDA. Hopefully in the next few weeks more details will come out.

I'm hoping for an early April release for the 61A750.

This also seems promising... I'm just hope they fixed the bowing problem. I'm a hair away from getting the Mitsubishi now. I just looked at 2 more current Samsun LED 61" sets at a different BB... the first had minimal bowing the 2nd had bowing consistent with the lamp based model --- not good! I hope they wouldn't even think of putting out another series of defective sets.

I'm just on the edge... do I wait for this led 61 tv and hope it's okay or do I just pull the trigger and go for the 65" Mitsubishi WD 65833 that I know is spectacular. It's a lamp... but I'm not sure if I care too much about that. i just want a solid tv that has a great picture for a decent price.

I saw the likely real MSRP for the new 61" via the link above, what do you think the typical out the door price will be from the normal online sources that we talk about?

This also seems promising... I'm just hope they fixed the bowing problem. I'm a hair away from getting the Mitsubishi now. I just looked at 2 more current Samsun LED 61" sets at a different BB... the first had minimal bowing the 2nd had bowing consistent with the lamp based model --- not good! I hope they wouldn't even think of putting out another series of defective sets.

I'm just on the edge... do I wait for this led 61 tv and hope it's okay or do I just pull the trigger and go for the 65" Mitsubishi WD 65833 that I know is spectacular. It's a lamp... but I'm not sure if I care too much about that. i just want a solid tv that has a great picture for a decent price.

I saw the likely real MSRP for the new 61" via the link above, what do you think the typical out the door price will be from the normal online sources that we talk about?

Unless the Mit is going away fast why not hold on for two months? By then we should have reviews rolling in. I currently have a CRT HDTV. Big thing for me is motion blur playing video games. I would like to see how the new Sammys handle video games.

Unless the Mit is going away fast why not hold on for two months? By then we should have reviews rolling in. I currently have a CRT HDTV. Big thing for me is motion blur playing video games. I would like to see how the new Sammys handle video games.DLP's don't suffer any motion artifacts or blurring. 16 micro second response. With CRT RPD's you have convergence alignment to periodically perform, with DLP's its always sharp with no convergence required.

I saw the likely real MSRP for the new 61" via the link above, what do you think the typical out the door price will be from the normal online sources that we talk about?Might be several hundred less, depends on demand and availability for 6 series. For 7 series probably not that much discounting initially.

Also, are these going to display it at 240hz like the signs at CES mentioned? With Darkchip4?No news concerning what DLP chip will be used, I suspect they will be DarkChip 4 based.

Does anyone know if the 750's will display 24p? I went thru all the pages but did not see any mention of this.One party talking to CES floor staff said they will display 1080P/24hz. Again between Samsung and TI all is quiet with no information released or leaked.

Thanks JohnAV. I'm in a real quandry here. I always feel like I'm waiting for the "right" time and that the "right" thing is always just a couple months away. My new room will be done in about 2-3 weeks. It will be a big deal to wait 2 months and probably one more before you start hearing the good and bad about the sets. I think the 65833 is a great tv... today... has the picture and the quality build I'm looking for. Granted it's lamp based, but I don't know that I care about that too much. I thought about the current 61" LED Samsung, but it has the older version HDMI. Not sure if that's a big deal or not, but the Diamond sets already have the latest version. There's really no good answer for me at this point that has definitively steered me one way or the other. The only good thing is that at least i'm an informed buyer and that's gold.

In case someone gets a chance to question a knowlegeable, but unnamed Samsung source, remember that there are a minimum of two parts to the 1080p/24hz question: 1. Can the units accept a 1080p/24hz signal (over which inputs?). 2. How does the unit process the 24hz signal for display? Does it do a multiple of each frame to present the equivalent of 1080p/48hz, 1080p/72hz, 1080p/120, etc. or does it do some funky pull-down to convert the signal to 1080p/60hz. Using the "multiple" approach is suppose to be superior to the pull-down.

has anyone seen how much the 67 incher is gonna cost?

has anyone seen how much the 67 incher is gonna cost?MSRP is $3199 for HL67A750. Probably see it sold online for $2899 is my guess.

I am going to wait the couple of months. I think its worth it to have the latest in technology. If it was a September or October release I wouldnt have the patience, but a couple of months I can wait.

I would agree, but given the issues with the last series of Samsung that had no fixes, I'm just concerned. I have yet to hear that they even acknowledged the problem in any real way. I don't want to wait and wait... only to find out 4-6 months later my screen is bowing.

I they would come out and address the issue... or say that the frame is different and was redesigned to eliminate the bowing, then I'd wait.

Thanks JohnAV. I'm in a real quandry here. I always feel like I'm waiting for the "right" time and that the "right" thing is always just a couple months away. My new room will be done in about 2-3 weeks. It will be a big deal to wait 2 months and probably one more before you start hearing the good and bad about the sets. I think the 65833 is a great tv... today... has the picture and the quality build I'm looking for. Granted it's lamp based, but I don't know that I care about that too much. I thought about the current 61" LED Samsung, but it has the older version HDMI. Not sure if that's a big deal or not, but the Diamond sets already have the latest version. There's really no good answer for me at this point that has definitively steered me one way or the other. The only good thing is that at least i'm an informed buyer and that's gold.

I am going to wait the couple of months. I think its worth it to have the latest in technology. If it was a September or October release I wouldnt have the patience, but a couple of months I can wait.

Im not buying till August, so Im looking forward to finally seeing some prices. Im still in a pickle over the 61" LED vs the new 30000:1 Panny 50" plasma

My new home will be built by the end of May. Either the 61A750 will be out and reviews in, or the 6187 will be priced lower. Would prefer the newer one, but I am ok with the 6187 at 1700-1800 dollars.

My new home will be built by the end of May. Either the 61A750 will be out and reviews in, or the 6187 will be priced lower. Would prefer the newer one, but I am ok with the 6187 at 1700-1800 dollars.


Out of curiosity, have you looked at the Mitsubishi Diamonds? I'm trying to figure why each camp likes one over the other. The 65" in 65833 seems like a great tv, but it seems if your a Samsung person, it's not even considered. Is there something specific that draws you to the Samsung and makes you resistant to the Mitsubishi?

I'm anxious as hell to get more news on the new Samsungs. I wish they would state infatically that there is no bowing issue. I'd probably be sold and would wait.

My new home will be built by the end of May. Either the 61A750 will be out and reviews in, or the 6187 will be priced lower. Would prefer the newer one, but I am ok with the 6187 at 1700-1800 dollars.

I'm in a similar situation, except that my new home will be finished the last week of March. I want to wait until April to get the new 61A750, though my wife wants to buy the 6187 as soon as we move in. Is it a bad idea on my part to assume that the 750 will be a better model? I won't have time to wait for many reviews.

Out of curiosity, have you looked at the Mitsubishi Diamonds? I'm trying to figure why each camp likes one over the other. The 65" in 65833 seems like a great tv, but it seems if your a Samsung person, it's not even considered. Is there something specific that draws you to the Samsung and makes you resistant to the Mitsubishi?

I'm anxious as hell to get more news on the new Samsungs. I wish they would state infatically that there is no bowing issue. I'd probably be sold and would wait.

Honestly, I did browse the Mits, but once I started reading about the LED engine, I got hooked. Not having to worry about a bulb and color wheel. Brighter picture. And the price and size works for me.

I'm in a similar situation, except that my new home will be finished the last week of March. I want to wait until April to get the new 61A750, though my wife wants to buy the 6187 as soon as we move in. Is it a bad idea on my part to assume that the 750 will be a better model? I won't have time to wait for many reviews.

If I go for this one in May, you may as well call me a Beta Tester. I doubt there will be enough information out there to really decide if the A750 is the right way to go.

Honestly, I did browse the Mits, but once I started reading about the LED engine, I got hooked. Not having to worry about a bulb and color wheel. Brighter picture. And the price and size works for me.

I''m not quite sure I'm sold the LED technology just yet. The current sets have not faired well in reviews. They are great when you sit in the sweet spot, but apparently degrade rapidly with off-axis viewing. And I guess this brings me right back to my point... do I want to continue waiting for a tv that may not resolve the problems of the prior model. I have emailed Samsung asking them specifically if they have addressed the bowing issue with the new series. I hope I get a response.

Well I understand that reviewing reviews is not an exact science, but the good far outweigh the bad on amazon. Most of the people who post on here are happy, or they are happy now that the problems they had were fixed. One of the things that also keeps me focused on Sammy is that they appear to be in the DLP market for the long haul. I believe Sony will still be providing support, but their overall direction will be focused on other technology.

Well I understand that reviewing reviews is not an exact science, but the good far outweigh the bad on amazon. Most of the people who post on here are happy, or they are happy now that the problems they had were fixed. One of the things that also keeps me focused on Sammy is that they appear to be in the DLP market for the long haul. I believe Sony will still be providing support, but their overall direction will be focused on other technology.

I would hazard a guess that the typical Amazon buyer isn't going to be nearly as fussy as an AVS member or a reviewer for the various magazines, so the user reviews have to be taken with an appropriate sized grain of salt.

My HLN has a nice spot for the center channel.

Do the HLT's ('07) and these '08 models continue with this center channel shelf?

I would hazard a guess that the typical Amazon buyer isn't going to be nearly as fussy as an AVS member or a reviewer for the various magazines, so the user reviews have to be taken with an appropriate sized grain of salt.

Again, I don't believe it is an exact science, but I would have to think that if a individual buying a $2k tv was having a problem with it such as the ones stated in the 2007 years models, they would not give it 5 stars. Also, most people who have problems with their electronics search the internet with their problem and end up here. So the novice AVS person of today is the knowledgeable/fussy AVS member of tomorrow. So I would not totally discount the comments of 189 people.

But as always, Your Mileage May Vary.

My HLN has a nice spot for the center channel.

Do the HLT's ('07) and these '08 models continue with this center channel shelf?No model has had the shelf since 2005. It went when "thinner" came.

Thanks...that's what I was afraid of after seeing some mention of "where to put" etc. recently on some of the newer DLP threads. I was hopeful it was only the 7" DLP and not the 15+" units losing the shelf....I'll have to figure that out.

Thanks...that's what I was afraid of after seeing some mention of "where to put" etc. recently on some of the newer DLP threads. I was hopeful it was only the 7" DLP and not the 15+" units losing the shelf....I'll have to figure that out.Unless you have a very light center channel speaker, it's not a good idea to have it's weight on Samsung cases. That's been increasingly true each model year.

Been following this thread - have just one quesiton remaining - buy the HLT7288W now or wait for the HL72A650? Not sure I'm understanding the differences.

Been following this thread - have just one quesiton remaining - buy the HLT7288W now or wait for the HL72A650? Not sure I'm understanding the differences.You will have to wait for the HL72A650 sets to arrive before anyone understands the difference. :)

Been following this thread - have just one quesiton remaining - buy the HLT7288W now or wait for the HL72A650? Not sure I'm understanding the differences.

Since the 72" is still a bulb I think the best thing you might hope for in a 2008 model is Darkchip 4, and that is still a big if. I hope that the Sony exit from RPTV won't drive prices up.

One is a bulb and spinning colorwheel, the other is led light source..big difference.

One is a bulb and spinning colorwheel, the other is led light source..big difference.There is no indication that the HL72A650 or A650 models are LED. Most likely they are lamp and color wheel models. At CES is was made clear by Samsung that the A750 models would be LED. Samsung said nothing about the A650 light engines.

You're right, I didn't notice he said 650, not 750...my bad.

K, I just called ClubMac one of the websites showing the HL61A750. Sales rep told me they should receive unit on March 19. Not sure how accurate that is but I'm so info starved I'll take anything:)

K, I just called ClubMac one of the websites showing the HL61A750. Sales rep told me they should receive unit on March 19. Not sure how accurate that is but I'm so info starved I'll take anything:)

i hope its true, and hopes the 67 inch comes out next mont as well, because i wanan check it out. not buying til summer though.

i hope its true, and hopes the 67 inch comes out next mont as well, because i wanan check it out. not buying til summer though.

Actually, same rep told me March 23 for the 67A750. That has me worried because I thought they were not due out till June. So maybe all the info is bad. Or maybe Samsung will get the TVs out sooner then later.

Actually, same rep told me March 23 for the 67A750. That has me worried because I thought they were not due out till June. So maybe all the info is bad. Or maybe Samsung will get the TVs out sooner then later.Starting to see HL67A750 listed by several vendors but no details on various online links. Not sure if prices listed are correct either.

Starting to see HL67A750 listed by several vendors but no details on various online links. Not sure if prices listed are correct either.

I'm very encouraged by the prices listed, since they are "Add to Cart" prices. I'm no e-commerce expert, but as I understand it, wouldn't the site honor the price listed when the order was placed?

1. How can a site have it to add to the cart 'and' take your credit info. if they don't have it in stock yet and don't state that it is not yet in stock?
I kept waiting to see something and got all the way to entering my shipping address and credit info. before I stopped the process.

2. Why are these coming out in bigger sizes for cheaper, yet the current ones are not being discounted except for Amazon?(i.e. big box store aren't at all)

1. How can a site have it to add to the cart 'and' take your credit info. if they don't have it in stock yet and don't state that it is not yet in stock?
I kept waiting to see something and got all the way to entering my shipping address and credit info. before I stopped the process.

2. Why are these coming out in bigger sizes for cheaper, yet the current ones are not being discounted except for Amazon?(i.e. big box store aren't at all)


1. Could be a preorder that they have going. This happens with some sites.

2. I see older models all the time at various sites and theyre almost always if not always still priced at the prices they had them going for back when they were the current model. You would think they would discount them for obvious reasons but they don't. I've never seen an older model cheaper than the current model. Unless it was a refurb or used.


Has anyone actually ordered 1 of these online yet? These prices seem pretty good so far from what I've been seeing.

so do these sites say anything about the tv its self as far as the goodies?

which websites?

If I go for this one in May, you may as well call me a Beta Tester. I doubt there will be enough information out there to really decide if the A750 is the right way to go.

I would not mind being a beta tester for these new sets, since they are getting better especially with the LED side of it. I am hoping that these sets are with the Darkchip4 and 120hz. That would be more than sweet.

There is no indication that the HL72A650 or A650 models are LED. Most likely they are lamp and color wheel models. At CES is was made clear by Samsung that the A750 models would be LED. Samsung said nothing about the A650 light engines.

What I have read is that the A650 models are bulbs and the A750 models are LED. What is up with that? More confusion from Samsung.

What I have read is that the A650 models are bulbs and the A750 models are LED. What is up with that? More confusion from Samsung.Perhaps that is their marketing strategy for 2008. Stay with cost effective bulb series 6 at 50, 56, 61, 72 inch sizes, and restrict the slightly more expensive LED 7 series to 61" and 67" sizes.
The US samsung site lists 14 different DLP models still, but if you check out the Canadian site they offer only eight DLP displays consisting of the HL-T5055W, HL-T5076S, HL-T6756W, and HL-T7288W bulb models. The LED models are HL-T5687S, HL-T5689S, HL-T6187S, and HL-T6189S.

If you notice no 50" LED DLP for Canada and just 56" and 61" models available. To speculate, I think if you can tolerate a 56" over a 50" display, why produce a 50" LED DLP display, especially with 52" LCD flat panels available. Since there are no inexpensive 60" LCD flat panels I would guess that Samsung is redirecting their marketing to compete in the 61" and above as far as LED DLP's.

What I have read is that the A650 models are bulbs and the A750 models are LED. What is up with that? More confusion from Samsung.You must not follow Samsung DLP model years. This will be the third model year that they have offered both lamp and LED.

You must not follow Samsung DLP model years. This will be the third model year that they have offered both lamp and LED.

I hear that. Samsung is using a different schema now for their TV's between the DLP bulb type and the LED types. I will not follow the years only the series within that year, which makes sense. Thanks.

Is there a reason they are still offering Lamps? Why not go all LED? Price isn't that much different.

Is there a reason they are still offering Lamps? Why not go all LED? Price isn't that much different.

What I have read and learned is that people still like the bulb tv and if people are still buying tv's with the bulb, then Samsung will not stop making/selling them. Supply and Demand applies here. Believe it or not, if the price difference between a bulb tv and LED tv is $500, people will buy the bulb, people not like us GEEKS. Hee Hee ;)

Only thing I can think of is that the pro reviews still seem to give the edge in PQ to the lamp based models. At least until now.

Only thing I can think of is that the pro reviews still seem to give the edge in PQ to the lamp based models. At least until now.

Yeah, I hope they improve the 08 7 series...

Plus some people are more inclined to trust a known technology rather than take a chance on something new (LED). Like cjre1 says, unlike us technogeeks.

I just joined this site and want to thank you guys for this thread.
We've been looking for a 61" projection TV and love the Samsungs but weren't sure which to get. Now I know that we'll be looking for LED instead of the bulbs.
Thanks,
John

I just joined this site and want to thank you guys for this thread.
We've been looking for a 61" projection TV and love the Samsungs but weren't sure which to get. Now I know that we'll be looking for LED instead of the bulbs.
Thanks,
John


My advice, since April is around the corner and June is soon to be here, wait for the 08 models. I am sure that the 08 models will have some changes from the 07 models. I am waiting till the new line comes out. That would be cool if the 08 models have the Darkchip 4 with 120hz. SWEET!!! :eek:

I dont know guys, I might be leaning towards the Samung Plasma, FP-T6374. This is quite impressive. What do you think?

Probably better to pose that question to the plasma part of the AVS forum. Personally I've never been fond of their image.

Probably better to pose that question to the plasma part of the AVS forum. Personally I've never been fond of their image.

Davegow,
Thanks, I posted this in the plasma forum and they love plasma's. No matter where you post, what people love is what they stick by and tell me. I need to go look at the store more, but in your opinion what are you fond of?

i am happy with the 07 models as far as pq , but i still hope that they do improve for 08 . what i am looking forward to is 67" of led tv.

Davegow,
Thanks, I posted this in the plasma forum and they love plasma's. No matter where you post, what people love is what they stick by and tell me. I need to go look at the store more, but in your opinion what are you fond of?

Plasmas are very nice. However, RPTV has the best bang for buck outside of Front Projectors. I have no idea how much that 60+ inch plasma you are looking at costs but I already know it's at least 1.5 times the cost of an equivalent RPTV. Probably a lot more.

Which is why I am so keen on the 67A750. Lots of great TV for the same price as a 50 Kuro 1080P Plasma.

My advice, since April is around the corner and June is soon to be here, wait for the 08 models. I am sure that the 08 models will have some changes from the 07 models. I am waiting till the new line comes out. That would be cool if the 08 models have the Darkchip 4 with 120hz. SWEET!!! :eek:

Thanks man. We were planning on buying in the beginning of April anyway.

Plasmas are very nice. However, RPTV has the best bang for buck outside of Front Projectors. I have no idea how much that 60+ inch plasma you are looking at costs but I already know it's at least 1.5 times the cost of an equivalent RPTV. Probably a lot more.

Which is why I am so keen on the 67A750. Lots of great TV for the same price as a 50 Kuro 1080P Plasma.

I hear that. The Pioneer elite plasma's start off at $8K for the 63". I really love this TV, but for the price, I might stay with the 08 61A750. Well shall see. I am still doing much research.

Quick google showing more retailers with prices:

http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=7398739&Redir=1&description=Samsung%20Electronics-HL67A750%2067%20INCH%20LED%20108-Video


http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail~dpno~7398739~descr~Samsung+Electronics-HL67A750+67+INCH+LED+108.aspx

Quick google showing more retailers with prices:

http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=7398739&Redir=1&description=Samsung%20Electronics-HL67A750%2067%20INCH%20LED%20108-Video


http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail~dpno~7398739~descr~Samsung+Electronics-HL67A750+67+INCH+LED+108.aspxAlso at clubmac.com but still no real information. :(

Low 2k for 67 inch is a great price.. Now if they excite us with dc4 and 240hz, I will buy one without waiting for reviews.. I want one for Euro2008 that starts in June..

Also at clubmac.com but still no real information. :(

Dang!! Why so cheap for the LED 67"? I bet that these sets with not have the DC4 with 240hz. Not at that price.

The PC Mall price is cheaper than the price for the current HLT-6189S - $1,969.99 for the HL61A750

How much?
DC4 is just an evolution of the chip..
u r saying that 386 processor costs less than Core2Duo. Its actually other way around. New technology is faster,better, cheaper (or same price)...



Dang!! Why so cheap for the LED 67"? I bet that these sets with not have the DC4 with 240hz. Not at that price.

How much?
DC4 is just an evolution of the chip..
u r saying that 386 processor costs less than Core2Duo. Its actually other way around. New technology is faster,better, cheaper (or same price)...

This makes sense, =however, you know how companies are -- when they find the next best thing!! Chaching, let the cash register ring!!!

...you know how companies are -- when they find the next best thing!! Chaching, let the cash register ring!!!

If that's the case, then how come we pay $1000-$2000 today for computers more powerful than $500,000 mainframes of 25 years ago?

Arthurvino is right, chip circuitry is the cheapest thing we've got when you look at its power.

If that's the case, then how come we pay $1000-$2000 today for computers more powerful than $500,000 mainframes of 25 years ago?

Arthurvino is right, chip circuitry is the cheapest thing we've got when you look at its power.

I know what you mean. This world is also becoing more disposal now than ever before. Most things are made of plastic, recycled at that.

Dang!! Why so cheap for the LED 67"? I bet that these sets with not have the DC4 with 240hz. Not at that price.

There is a preliminary review of DC4 (on a projector) over at Audioholics:

http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/dlp-darkchip4-technology

"This is definitely an incremental version rather than a complete upgrade as the visual advances seem minor (the 30% higher contrast ratio seemed a bit inflated based on what we saw - which, while good - was hardly mind-blowingly superior to DarkChip 3 systems we had seen to date."

I cant believe its almost time for the new 2008 LED models, and we still dont know if they will have the DarkChip4. When are we gonna know??????? I am preparing my space in the family room right now for the April 61" model, and yes i will get it whether or not it has the new chip, but damn i wish it would have the new chip. I dont have the patience to wait any longer to get a big set (i dont have one yet, just have a regular 36" tube set), so I will get what comes out, but oh how i want the best i can get. It would be a shame to buy then have the new chip come out a few months later.

For those asking about plasma sets here, for me, since i want to sit directly in front of my tv and watch in a lit room (not dark), i cant stand the reflections in the glass of a plasma set. People need to consider that before buying, both the placement of the set and the amount of light in the room affect the reflections, and so many people forget about that.

My Sony KDS-60a3000 reflects almost as much as my Sammy and Pio. Kuro plasmas did.

:):Dwell im waiting for the 67 led to see if will be priced like some are hoping (me too): the 07 led 61" is cheap but.......bigger is always better :oim still waiting to go 1080p.......:o

Anymore news on whether the Darkchip4 will be used in the new DLPs?

i am still in the same boat you are. waiting for more news.

The waiting is painful. This could make the purchase decision really hard. I was about to buy the HL-T7288w, but the 67" with DarkChip4 may be worth the 15% smaller screen size.

I did notice a press release from TXN on DarkChip4 from september. That leads me to believe tha they've had the technology long enough for Samsung to use it in the 2008 models. I hope that's the case.

Maybe if they have the DarkChip 4 in the 72" 6 series (likely with a bulb), it may be worth? Too many choices, not enough information.

Samsung appears ready to release their new 2008 series 6 and 7 LCDs as big box store CC already has it listed on their website. Could be once that release is underway more information on the new DLP models will follow....at least I hope so.

Samsung appears ready to release their new 2008 series 6 and 7 LCDs as big box store CC already has it listed on their website. Could be once that release is underway more information on the new DLP models will follow....at least I hope so.

JoeSony,

I can not find these units on the Samsung website at all. Where are you looking? Please help. Thanks.

Does anyone know where I can find some more information on the 61A750?

Samsung appears ready to release their new 2008 series 6 and 7 LCDs as big box store CC already has it listed on their website. Could be once that release is underway more information on the new DLP models will follow....at least I hope so.


4K for a 52" lcd :eek:
That is just ludacris.

Samsung appears ready to release their new 2008 series 6 and 7 LCDs as big box store CC already has it listed on their website. Could be once that release is underway more information on the new DLP models will follow....at least I hope so.No information concerning 2008 Samsung DLP models is available at any big box store yet. It is a bit confusing when you refer to Samsung LCD and Bulb/LED DLP models as series 6 and series 7!

JoeSony,

I can not find these units on the Samsung website at all. Where are you looking? Please help. Thanks.

Does anyone know where I can find some more information on the 61A750?So far all know information is posted/linked on original post on this topic.

No information concerning 2008 Samsung DLP models is available at any big box store yet. It is a bit confusing when you refer to Samsung LCD and Bulb/LED DLP models as series 6 and series 7!

Sorry for the confusion in the post. I just wanted to point out that more information on the 08 Samsung LCD line is surfacing now and hopefully Samsung will start releasing info on their 08 DLP and Bulb rear projection line.

So far all know information is posted/linked on original post on this topic.

JohnAV,
Thanks, that is that I figured.

Well I'm in the market for a 56" but will wait for the reviews. The 2008 line doesn't much much different than the 2007 HLT line which was a disater from a quality perspective. The last truly good line was the 2006 HLS line. I'm talking strictly bulb here not LED.

I'm saying goodbye to my 34xbr960 great PQ but the screen is to small so I'm looking at the new 67'' led. cant wait to get it..

I chatted to gal at Samsung she said 2008 all models be out end march begining april. I have older model hln4365w and loved it. Not sure what i will replace it with, as i liked the hl-t5089 i dont see new 08 have led lamp less is big,i cant go any bigger than 50"

I would imagine we will start seeing them soon , I happen to work at Best Buy and all Samsung/Mits tvs are starting to disappear. The only thing we have left are a couple of 50 inch tvs and they are store display's They are making room for the new model year tvs that should be coming soon.

not sure this belongs here but was on cc web site they have few 08 listed.Seems like new lcd are all CCFL—Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp: Provides colors in your picture that were not available before. that was listed with model 46"LN 46a650

doesnt belong here, lcd is not rear projection..

I have the HL-T6176S and it has major issues so one more Exchange and I may be looking at these sets. Weird though how we dont have any details and they are supposed to be out in a month? Just checked out the Successor to my set the HL61A650. Features are identical. I doubt they are using the Darkchip 4. I would think If that was coming Samsung would be marketing them already. Its just to quiet for March. If they were going to be production in a month someone should have seen them.

Samsung may not be marketing the new sets heavily in order to allow vendors to offload a large amount of overstock and not piss off their retail partners...or they just don't have that much new stuff to tout :).

Samsung may not be marketing the new sets heavily in order to allow vendors to offload a large amount of overstock and not piss off their retail partners...or they just don't have that much new stuff to tout :).

Well since their press release only said the first of the new sets are "expected" in April, I wouldn't make anything out of this at least until the end of that month, if then. My guess is that they aren't even coming off the production lines yet.

There are several improvements that Samsung can make to the 2008 models that they wouldn't report. Those would be improvements to some of the problems that were introduced in the 2007 models. :rolleyes:

If that's the case then waiting would be very worthwhile.

Talked to a guy at BB today who said not to expect them until May. I have an itchy trigger finger but I'll try to hold out. Hopefully the wait will be worth it.

The lady I talked to at Sears said the new models should be on sale in April OR May. I think the "or" may have been to protect her and the store from complaining customers if the TVs by chance weren't there by the end of April. So it seems that most stores are still being given April as the date of release.

-Jon

The lady I talked to at Sears said the new models should be on sale in April OR May. I think the "or" may have been to protect her and the store from complaining customers if the TVs by chance weren't there by the end of April. So it seems that most stores are still being given April as the date of release.

-JonJudging by the lack of information online thats probably the time frame you will see these new models. I anticipate late march perhaps some information from Samsung, but who knows?

I was thinking about getting the HL-T6187S for about a month now. However, after reading the enormous thread and hearing about the halo effect, I've decided to hold off for the 2008 models instead. (I know the halo has an easy fix by why pay all that money for a possibly defective TV?)

Given that all of the 2007 models have fixed the halo effect as of Jan 08 (build date) I'm really hoping that the 2008 models will have this fix as well. It's safe to assume they will, right? I'm just hoping that waiting the agonizing extra month (or two) will pay off with a TV that is very less likely to have a huge defect like that.

Thoughts?

-Jon

I'd wait. Always best to get a new model with new features/Improvements.

I was thinking about getting the HL-T6187S for about a month now. However, after reading the enormous thread and hearing about the halo effect, I've decided to hold off for the 2008 models instead. (I know the halo has an easy fix by why pay all that money for a possibly defective TV?)

Given that all of the 2007 models have fixed the halo effect as of Jan 08 (build date) I'm really hoping that the 2008 models will have this fix as well. It's safe to assume they will, right? I'm just hoping that waiting the agonizing extra month (or two) will pay off with a TV that is very less likely to have a huge defect like that.

Thoughts?

-Jon

I'm in the same situation as you, and I'm waiting as well (despite my wife's wishes). Based on the internet prices, the 08 models should be almost the same price as the 07. And even if it doesn't have DarkChip4, the 08 should be at least slightly improved.

I'm in the same situation as you, and I'm waiting as well (despite my wife's wishes). Based on the internet prices, the 08 models should be almost the same price as the 07. And even if it doesn't have DarkChip4, the 08 should be at least slightly improved.

You are only kind of right. The 08s will be about the same price as the 07s. That is, the ***89S 07s. It will not be close to the slightly feature deprived ***87S 07s that you are thinking of. That means it will back up to the mid/high 2Ks and not the teens currently seen on the Big River.

Once they do go on sale at the Big Box stores, when do you think we will see them at the Big River?

THis is strange behaviour from Samsung. When the HL-T series came out, we knew a LOT more about it before the products were in the stores. The last time I saw something like this was in 2006 when HP had announced their LED DLP sets... and then they weren't heard from again. Some stores even started showing SKUs, but in the end HP announced that they were reconsidering their position in the DLP market, and indeed, they withdrew. I'm seriously hyoping Samsung isn't reconsidering as well, especially in light (or LED :) ) of the Sony pull put from RP units recently.

You are only kind of right. The 08s will be about the same price as the 07s. That is, the ***89S 07s. It will not be close to the slightly feature deprived ***87S 07s that you are thinking of. That means it will back up to the mid/high 2Ks and not the teens currently seen on the Big River.

Where have you heard the mid/high 2k figure? I've seen high teen's for the HL61A750 at pcmall.

What is the Big River, please?

It's in South America and has a rain forest associated with it.

Big River = Amazon

Big River is taking preorders for the HL61A750. No new details provided ... they list the product dimensions and weight, although the numbers seem bogus. Dimensions of 14.4 x 70.1 x 37.8 are maybe 2 out of 3 - the 70.1 doesn't fit. The shipping weight also seems out of line at 138 pounds. They list the standard weight at 94.2 pounds, also very high unless they've seriously beefed up the cabinet. Search their site for the model number.

Sennat

Would you guys say 61'' is too big if you're sitting 7-8' away? :D Waiting for reviews on the 6 and 7 series and prices most importantly. :)

Would you guys say 61'' is too big if you're sitting 7-8' away? :D
Not necessarily. That's about what I'm considering when I upgrade from my 46". Check out this link (http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html) for a variety of viewpoints.

i want the 67'' this is going to be my first big screen moving up from a xbr960..

Where have you heard the mid/high 2k figure? I've seen high teen's for the HL61A750 at pcmall.

PC Mall has a reseller rating of a bit over 3. Not a great rating. Even thinking about buying from faux-sellers of the likes of Broadway is asking for trouble. The Big River is doing preorders at what 2007 89Ss are going for.

It's in South America and has a rain forest associated with it.

Big River = Amazon

Oh.....(Duh!)...thanks..



See, we have the Rio Grande here in New Mexico, and I couldn't find any televisions down there so...never mind...

Im wondering If the new models maybe had the same geometry issues and they had to hold up on them. They are slim line like the 2007 models and unless they rebuilt those frames you can forget it. As we speak I am waiting on another 6176 and If that one "smiles at me I am getting a refund.

Oh.....(Duh!)...thanks..



See, we have the Rio Grande here in New Mexico, and I couldn't find any televisions down there so...never mind...

Don't worry about it. I actually thought there was an American store called "Big River". This went on for close to a year before I tried to find their website to see whether they shipped to Canada. :)

Im wondering If the new models maybe had the same geometry issues and they had to hold up on them. They are slim line like the 2007 models and unless they rebuilt those frames you can forget it. As we speak I am waiting on another 6176 and If that one "smiles at me I am getting a refund.

If they are indeed slim in depth what excatly could Samsung do design-wise to improve the geometry issues?

Im wondering If the new models maybe had the same geometry issues and they had to hold up on them. They are slim line like the 2007 models and unless they rebuilt those frames you can forget it. As we speak I am waiting on another 6176 and If that one "smiles at me I am getting a refund.

I had heard you reference the weak design/build and recently got my 6187sax.
I now agree with you that this is just subpar.
I can get mine preety straight, but I have to rig it.
The fact that you can twist the top of the cabinet like you can is crazy.

Keep the depth large enough and build it strong.
We buy these for size vs cost, so stop trying to compete with flat panels.

Does anybody have dimensions on the 67" 7-series model? I'm about to send back my 1 week old Mits. 65833 for the common "popping" noise, and I want to make sure a 67" will fit on my stand.

Just wanted to pop in and say hi everyone. i don't post much and i've browsed for a couple of years now.

I am buying a brand new house( i close next thursday) so this will be my first big tv purchase.

i've been looking at the Sony KDS-60A3000 for the better part of a year, and was sorely disappointed when sony stopped manufacturing.

Think i may have decided to go with one of Samsungs LED t.v.'s after reading this thread. Waiting on a new t.v. and having an empty t.v. room is gonna suck. my 30" sanyo CRT HDTV will have to suffice for now.

Hopefully the new line of t.v.'s are on the market soon after i get the house. I think i have about 13-14 ft viewing distance, gonna swing by the house tomorrow to measure it :)

have an oppo 970HD, and a xbox360 elitew/HDDVD to hook up to my new t.v. i purchased the oppo long before i got the xbox, still love the SACD and other features of the Oppo so i'll keep it for now.

next purchase in a couple of months will be a new A/v Reciever.

the wait on the house is killing me:o

I ordered the HL-T6189S from Crutchfield a few weeks ago when the price came down and they offered a free Samsung stand (TR5000X3BX), white glove shipping and no tax because I'm in NJ. Crutchfield said they would get the set this week, 3/14.
Guess what? I got a call today from Crutchfield cancelling my order cause they couldn't get any more!:mad:
They're now offering me the Sammy 61A750 for a few dollars less than the 6189S, will still include the stand, etc., etc. They said they expect them in end of this month.
I've asked the sales rep to get me more specs and am waiting on a call back.
What to do, what to do:confused:
I'll let you know what happens and if I get more info.

I ordered the HL-T6189S from Crutchfield a few weeks ago when the price came down and they offered a free Samsung stand (TR5000X3BX), white glove shipping and no tax because I'm in NJ. Crutchfield said they would get the set this week, 3/14.
Guess what? I got a call today from Crutchfield cancelling my order cause they couldn't get any more!:mad:
They're now offering me the Sammy 61A750 for a few dollars less than the 6189S, will still include the stand, etc., etc. They said they expect them in end of this month.
I've asked the sales rep to get me more specs and am waiting on a call back.
What to do, what to do:confused:
I'll let you know what happens and if I get more info.

What do you mean what to do? Get the new LED model at a great price. Thats what you do...

I ordered the HL-T6189S from Crutchfield a few weeks ago when the price came down and they offered a free Samsung stand (TR5000X3BX), white glove shipping and no tax because I'm in NJ. Crutchfield said they would get the set this week, 3/14.
Guess what? I got a call today from Crutchfield cancelling my order cause they couldn't get any more!:mad:
They're now offering me the Sammy 61A750 for a few dollars less than the 6189S, will still include the stand, etc., etc. They said they expect them in end of this month.
I've asked the sales rep to get me more specs and am waiting on a call back.
What to do, what to do:confused:
I'll let you know what happens and if I get more info.

Even if the specs aren't a big upgrade from last year, I would definitely still get the A750.

I consider Crutchfield a good source so it's nice to hear they expect a late March arrival.

What do you mean what to do? Get the new LED model at a great price. Thats what you do...

Easy to say but I'm thinking perhaps it's some kind of a sign. I've been going crazy between the Pio Kuro 6010FD or the Sammy 6189S for months. I know it's apples to oranges and you can't compare the 2. But that's where I've been. The Sammy was a better fit in my home (wife & child viewing habits) and when the price dropped w/ free stand, that clinched it and I made the purchase. Now, with 3 days to till delivery, I can't get the set. I know I'm just rambling, but:eek:

BTW, I just got off the phone from Samsung. Got a transaction # and talked to level 2 & product specialist. Bottom line, no further info till the sets actually ship. All their literature say the specs are not final and can change so they won't give out anything more.:(

I'll let you know what happens when Crutchfield calls back and what I do.

I am actually wondering If Samsung isnt leaving the DLP market this year. They have had nothing but problems with every generation of dlp and the fact that the specs are basically the same as last year is a bad sign. Im not sure they knew Sony was getting out of RP. That being the case they really have no need to be in this price range to compete.

That said, I love the DLP picture and I hope my 6176 gets delivered perfect but I am in this thread because I have a feeling I will be moving to a 2008 model.

Erock1: Granted the 61A750 specs aren't final, however it would be a huge help just to know the dimensions of the unit. Those are certainly final, since they aren't changing the case design three weeks from delivery. I'm prepping a place for the unit and need to know these numbers ... Is it possible you could wheedle this info out next time you talk to Samsung???

Sennat

I ordered the HL-T6189S... Is that a typo or did you really order a set from two model years back? If so, seems like a "no brainer" to me also, particularly if you're are settled on an RP set.

HL-T6189S(along with 87) is the only model on the market currently.

HL-T6189S(along with 87) is the only model on the market currently.:eek: Oops. The typo was in my reading not his typing. Sorry. :confused:

When I called PCmall the rep there told me March 19th for the HL-61A750 and March 23rd for the HL-67A750.

Hmmm, my 6176 will still be within its return period. If I have issues with it its going to be hard not to get the new model but with the specs being the same it will also be hard to shell out more cash for what looks like basically a name change. Still cant believe a set you can buy in 2 weeks doesnt have specs out there yet. Something is up.

...cant believe a set you can buy in 2 weeks doesnt have specs out there yet. Something is up.

What set is going to available for sale in two weeks? Samsung said the first 2008s were "expected" in April. That could mean anything.

When I called PCmall the rep there told me March 19th for the HL-61A750 and March 23rd for the HL-67A750.As mcnabney (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13338037&highlight=PCmall#post13338037) pointed out, some Internet sites are much worse than others. The signs are things like unusually low prices, unrealistic delivery dates, and prior to a new model's actual release date. Poor ratings are also a red flag.

Be very cautious. ;)

yes, be very careful, as they may charge your credit card now, then not ship till they arrive (maybe in April).

Matter of fact, if you give me your credit card no. now, I happen to have 5 in my garage, uh, umm warehouse. They are available for immediate shipping ;)

I emailed Crutchfield asking for any details they have for the HL61A750. They said they don't have anything yet, but they do have an ETA of 3/31. He gave me the chance to do a pre-order (FYI their pre-order price is the exact same as Big River's).

Assuming the pre-order price doesn't change when it's released, it will be ~$600 more expensive than the 6187. If the features aren't greatly improved, I'm not sure it will be worth it for me to get the '08 model (though I would strongly prefer the '08). We are moving into a new place in April and need a TV, so unfortunately I won't have the luxury of waiting for detailed reviews.

I emailed Crutchfield asking for any details they have for the HL61A750. They said they don't have anything yet, but they do have an ETA of 3/31. He gave me the chance to do a pre-order (FYI their pre-order price is the exact same as Big River's).


Where on Big River did you see the HL-61A750 advertised for pre-order w/ price? I did a search of ther model # and looked through R/Proj TV listing. The only mention of the new 2008 models (A650 & A750) are in the Big River forums.

FYI: I called Samsung level 2 support back & tried to get at least the dimensions of the A750. I tried the how could you not have this when their shipping units end of month and the dimensions can't be changing in 2 or 3 weeks. Their reply was the same, sorry, no info. till units ship:(

Anyway, I'm waiting on the Crutchfield sales rep to call me back this morning. It looks like they might be able to offer me a better price cause I'm so, so bummed about their last minute cancelation of the 6189S.

Search BR using "HL61A750", no dashes in the name.

Search BR using "HL61A750", no dashes in the name.

That was easy. So much for my search ability:o

Lol, I was wondering what Big River was too! DLP ftw

Erock1: Why not just go off the 61 or 67 unit they have out now. The dimensions won't change by about an inch, give or take...

Well I did it. I just ordered the HL61A750 from Crutchfield. They're expecting a shipment on 3/31 and hopefully I'll get it within a week. This date fits with what I was told by Samsung when I spoke to their product specialists yesterday. I'm just waiting on my e-mail order confirmation from Crutchfiled.

I have to say that even though I was really bummed about Crutchfield cancelling my order for the 6189S at the last minute, they are a class act and have taken care of me. They've given me a nice little discount for the inconvenience and they're still including the free sammy stand.:)

The reason I'm interested in accurate dimensions is that I need to mount a center channel speaker above the screen - below is not an option. Since the TV case can't support a speaker directly, I had to devise a scheme to float the speaker above the screen. Having the TV an extra inch low would work but would leave a big gap, an inch high wouldn't work at all. Yes, I could remount but then I'd have wall repair and my wife would freak, she already hates the speaker. Plus, trying to do mount rework around a giant screen is asking for trouble. Samsung's unnecessary silence on the matter is annoying.

FYI, I'm using a Peerless PM600 mount, which is just two arms extending from the wall at a fixed height, the speaker is an Ascend Sierra so fairly boxy.

Sennat

I'm really not liking the silence on specs of something announced and shipping this month. Very strange. I have an HL-T6187 and love it. I do still have the Halo problem, though. I might get a 2008 model replacement via my extended warranty... but it would be very nice to know what's inside!

I am starting to get the same feeling as fitbrit. I think the 750 is just going to be an 89S. It seems increasingly likely that all they are doing is eliminating the less expensive 87S line. If there is no DarkChip 4 and light-output improvement I imagine I will pass on Samsung and start waiting to see how Mitsubishi's LaserTV works out. I refuse to get on the LCD (blur, stutter, and multiple images) or plasma (burn-in and high power usage) bandwagon for a display destined to be the centerpiece for a gaming/HTPC setup.

I refuse to get on the LCD (blur, stutter, and multiple images) or plasma (burn-in and high power usage) bandwagon for a display destined to be the centerpiece for a gaming/HTPC setup.
Everything I've been reading lately says that burn-in is no longer an issue with plasma except for the cheap off brand models which are probably using old parts.

... I think the 750 is just going to be an 89S. It seems increasingly likely that all they are doing is eliminating the less expensive 87S line. If there is no DarkChip 4 and light-output improvement ...

DC4 is the big unknown, however the one thing that has been stated by Samsung is that the LEDs in the 750 series are 40% brighter than the previous models. Left uncertain is whether this increased output will be merely brighter, or whether they've used the LED's increased output to improve the uniformity and viewing angle (i.e., used a lower gain screen). Most accounts consider the brightness of the 87/89 series to be more than adequate, so hopefully they've changed the screen accordingly.

Sennat

Well, I need for the screen to be bright enough and non-reflective due to the many windows in my living room. My current HL-N is barely bright enough in the daytime--which only matters to me during football season--so I hope the 67 inch 750 is at least as bright.

I don't care so much about the viewing angles, there's rarely more than me and the GF watching.

Everything I've been reading lately says that burn-in is no longer an issue with plasma except for the cheap off brand models which are probably using old parts.

We are talking about a HTPC with lots of gaming. There will very much be a burn in issue. The manufactures talk about not leaving static images on for the first 1000 hours. Yeah, that will be like a year of use. When they come with a 5 year full replacement warranty in case of burn-in I will believe their claims. The only person I know with a plasma has burn in where the cinemascope bars are, the side 4:3 boxing, and where the tickers go along the bottom. And that is just from 3 years of movies and cable TV.

Link to the Kuro website issuing cautions about preventing burn-in.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Support/HomeEntertainment/PlasmaTVs+Monitors/EliteTVs/ci.What+can+I+do+to+prevent+image+retention+or+burn-in.SupportFAQ/?faqListingChannel=41f20c8a81ed4110VgnVCM1000002567a8c0RCRD

i like the pq that sammy's have and i cant wait for the 67"

Well I did it. I just ordered the HL61A750 from Crutchfield. They're expecting a shipment on 3/31 and hopefully I'll get it within a week. This date fits with what I was told by Samsung when I spoke to their product specialists yesterday. I'm just waiting on my e-mail order confirmation from Crutchfiled.

I have to say that even though I was really bummed about Crutchfield cancelling my order for the 6189S at the last minute, they are a class act and have taken care of me. They've given me a nice little discount for the inconvenience and they're still including the free sammy stand.:)

Good for you and I applaud Crutchfield.

Looking at the PSA specs listed, it looks like these are the Slim models as well. The Bezel dimensions are exactly the same. How are they going to correct the bowing/Geometry issues with the same frame?

I can't find anyone local with the 73833 or hl-t7288 in stock so I'm going to hold out for the new 72" from samsung. But I can't find much info on it.

I little creative googling found a page in japanese. I can't post it as this is my first post. translated by google we get

Incidentally, this spring plans to release a 72-inch ultra-high pressure mercury lamp adopted "HL72A650" is 2,999 US dollars, the bid-inch LED light source model is slightly more expensive.

If thats true then its worth that wait as the current 72" are going for over $3k. I just hope the new one has the same features, at least.

"bid-inch"?

google translator, what do you want?

probably means "big screen"

that site and Big River seems to agree the 72" is going to be $3k. thats awesome.

I'm talking about MSRP rather than competing prices from actual online retailers, thats why I think its ok to post the price here.

Yeah, I know--just the way it was written it almost seemed like they were referencing a 72" LED--anyway, a guy can hope.

Ok, I got some news. Some of you may be following the other threads but I received a replacement 6176 and the picture bounces anytime my 3 year old is running in the room. The Picture is off by 1/2 inch on one side so I am having Samsung out. If I cant get it fixed I am in the market for one of these. I talked to a reputable dealer starting with a V and the price they have on the 61" LED is just over 2k. That means the 650 will probably clock in around 1800 or so. That will be a big price jump from what I paid on the 6176 but I need a set that works.

Forgot the bad news, they expect them in 4-6 weeks.

Forgot the bad news, they expect them in 4-6 weeks.

Samsung's orginial announcement introducing these 2008 LED sets said May and June for the release of the 61" and 67" models.

Samsung's orginial announcement introducing these 2008 LED sets said May and June for the release of the 61" and 67" models.

April and June. From the Samsung news release in January:

"The Series 7 LED DLP HDTVs will be available in April and June in both 61-inches and 67-inches (Model numbers HL61A750 and HL67A750)."

April and June. From the Samsung news release in January:

"The Series 7 LED DLP HDTVs will be available in April and June in both 61-inches and 67-inches (Model numbers HL61A750 and HL67A750)."

Thanks I remembered the June date...the April date is just around the corner then.

Good for you and I applaud Crutchfield.

Thanks E-A-G-L-E-S.

Crutchfield is expecting delivery of the 61A750 on or before 3/31 (my invoice says "We expects to ship on 3/31/08") so I will report back as much as I can when the set is delivered. You can count on it.

here is some good info, the 76 series is a different cab (ultraslim) than the 87/89 series so even If it says slim depth that doesnt mean the 2008 models will have the same issues. The Ultraslim cabs mount the mirror on the top (11" deep) the slim ones (15" deep) mount in the rear. So basically we need to see dimensions on these. I talked to a tier II person who basically told me the ultraslim was going away. What does that tell you? Bascially the 76 series is a bum design so mine is going back. I eagerly await any info on these models now.

You could always get a 6187s for a great price now.

Another 2 weeks and even better once they clear them out. I really dont care for the picture as much though and the viewing angles suck on the LED sets.

Ye, big river dropped the price, unless u can find it cheaper?


You could always get a 6187s for a great price now.

whats the link to big river's website?

Big River is that big website starting with an A

Big River is that big website starting with an A

... and ending with mazon.

Another 2 weeks and even better once they clear them out. I really dont care for the picture as much though and the viewing angles suck on the LED sets.

I'm not so sure they will go down more than what they are at today.
Have you had one in your home? If not you can't really say what you think of the PQ ability as a store is not a place to make any judgements.
I will say these sets really appreciate a calibration.
The viewing angle is almost exactly the same as the Sony KDS-60A3000 I had previously.

Thing about the 6187 is the viewing angles. For me that killed it.

I don't know. My living room has a three person couch and a recliner with a table in between and all seats are within the "sweet spot" range and are only ~9' away.
Same angles as Sony A3000's series and doesn't seem much worse at all than my old DLP which was a HL-S5087W.
Vertically it is not as good, but what does that really matter?
To each their own though.

I was at BB the other day and had a chance to view the Sammy LED and bulb units side by side....albeit in a TERRIBLE location about 5ft above the floor up on a shelf. From what I saw, the bulb unit was MUCH brighter, more contrasty, and the brightness held up waaaay off to the sides. The LED was dull by comparison. I have NO idea what kind of calibration was done to either of the sets (if any), but perhaps they cranked up the brightness on the bulb model in order to "move the merchandise". All I know was that the LED model (61", 76 model) failed to impress ANY folks who walked by. People WERE checking out all the new LCD's, though.

Of course they were checking out the lcd's. In a showroom the lcd's are light blasters and people get confused.
I will say that the LED versions are more than bright enough and too bright at night.
The vertical viewing angle is not as good on these sets as the lamp versions.
If you want to see a clean/clear image from a sever angle then plasma is your ticket.

All I know was that the LED model (61", 76 model) failed to impress ANY folks who walked by.

Isn't the 76 model the bulb model?

Isn't the 76 model the bulb model?Yes it is, only the xx87s, xx89s, xxa750 are LED models. The HL-T6176S is a bulb model.

And the HL-T7288W I believe

does anyone know if the new led's will have different models like last years ( 87, 89) models?

Isn't the 76 model the bulb model?

My mistake....the unit was an "87" model, and it had a large "LED" placard attached to it. Trust me, it was the LED model. Salesman also commented on it...while trying to push the plasmas. :(

And the HL-T7288W I believe

Nope. That is a lamp as well. For some reason it has been listed at various places as having LED.

Hlt 6187s

The 61A750 is in our system to special order and stock numbers are shown in the warehouse that our store pulls inventory from

Just a heads up. Special orders generally take 3-5 days. I am waiting on the 67 to show up and I will likely be swapping my 6187S for it.

CC btw

Any questions, feel free to ask

The 61A750 is in our system to special order and stock numbers are shown in the warehouse that our store pulls inventory from

Just a heads up. Special orders generally take 3-5 days. I am waiting on the 67 to show up and I will likely be swapping my 6187S for it.

CC btw

Any questions, feel free to ask

Any thoughts on when they will provide you with specs?

The 61A750 is in our system to special order and stock numbers are shown in the warehouse that our store pulls inventory from

Just a heads up. Special orders generally take 3-5 days. I am waiting on the 67 to show up and I will likely be swapping my 6187S for it.

CC btw

Any questions, feel free to ask

What's the price on the 61A750?

I have never tried putting a link to a website before, but here goes.
http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/tvs/samsung-hl61a750-dlptv-423.html

They are an authorised dealer, give an honest price, free shipping. And you can do a back-order.

I have never tried putting a link to a website before, but here goes.
http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/tvs/samsung-hl61a750-dlptv-423.html

They are an authorised dealer, give an honest price, free shipping. And you can do a back-order.

This site shows MSRP to be $2399. This is also the pre-order price at Amazon and Crutchfield, so I assume that is the MSRP. When the sets were first announced, MSRP was listed at $2699 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=971265).

Interesting..I wonder if Samsung was worried about sales and decided they needed to lower the price to stay competitive. Or possibly the TV is barely improved from the '07 model, so they couldn't justify a big increase.

So what's the bottom line?....everybody waiting to see if the DC4 is inside?

So what's the bottom line?....everybody waiting to see if the DC4 is inside?

DC4
Video Display Rate
Response Time
Contrast Ratio
67A750 vs 72A650
etc

[QUOTE=Tony Touch;13399615]This site shows MSRP to be $2399. This is also the pre-order price at Amazon and Crutchfield, so I assume that is the MSRP. When the sets were first announced, MSRP was listed at $2699

Yes, but The High Definition Store.com is the only one of the above that shows their price discounted $345. from MSRP.

Has anyone shopped The High Definition Store?? Are they reliable? If so I may go ahead and order from them.

No Way this is a DC4.

I have never tried putting a link to a website before, but here goes.
http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/tvs/samsung-hl61a750-dlptv-423.html

They are an authorised dealer, give an honest price, free shipping. And you can do a back-order.

They have a **** return policy, I just talked to them. basically, you have to deal with Samsung and thats it unless its physically damaged.

No Way this is a DC4.

I have a feeling you are right, but at least we can hope for 15000:1 contrast ratio? It was said that these 08 models where going to be 40% brighter then last years LEDs...

No Way this is a DC4.

Out of curiosity, what makes you so sure? The price?

No news is bad news. I have never seen such little press on a TV 2 weeks from release. They have practically thrown parades year after year with these things. When I pre ordered my bulb based HLS5087W 2 years ago I knew the specs 2 months in advance.

You can expect HDMI 1.3 and thats about it, just make sure they didn't put these in the ultra slim cabinet like the 6176 series. I have an interest in both the 650 and 750 because when I tested the 6187 the picture wasn't even close as far as black level and I don't care who tells you different. I owned 4 different Samsung HDTVs and so far the LED versions are amoung the poorest picture, poorest viewing angel amount the rear projection HDTVs out there. Reviews out there agree with me so the fact that they arent touting new features by now is a very bad sign.

Its my opinion that Samsung will release these models and leave the RPTV market after this year like everyone else. That said, I will still lead the parade on a HL61A650 If they took them out of those stupid ultraslim cabinets.

Anyone tried emailing Samsung about Dc4 yet? Those models are definitely in production now and there is no point of hiding any more for Samsung..
DC4 @ Cedia maybe? lol

I am very tempted to special order one to our store just to see the specs on it. We have not been provided with any more info than the rest of you. And samsung reps, do you guys exist? I have never seen one.

Pricing in our system is similiar to what was posted above. Waiting to see the 67 price in our system.

If it is indeed DC4 my 87s will be replaced

For those on the edge. CC has a no hassle return policy. 30 days no restocking fee. Just a friendly FYI :)

Any questions, I will try to answer.

Waiting on the new mitsu's to show up as well(not laser)

The A650's are up on the Samsung site now.

The A650's are up on the Samsung site now.

That's a big step in the right direction!!! They're still toying with those of us waiting for the LED DLPs!!!

The wait continues!! I'm dying here!! Please give us some info on the Series 7s! :confused:

The A650's are up on the Samsung site now.

Not much on specs! 68 lbs for 61" is the only new thing. Deff a little lighter. Come on, give us the good stuff already!

No news is bad news. I have never seen such little press on a TV 2 weeks from release. They have practically thrown parades year after year with these things. When I pre ordered my bulb based HLS5087W 2 years ago I knew the specs 2 months in advance.

You can expect HDMI 1.3 and thats about it, just make sure they didn't put these in the ultra slim cabinet like the 6176 series. I have an interest in both the 650 and 750 because when I tested the 6187 the picture wasn't even close as far as black level and I don't care who tells you different. I owned 4 different Samsung HDTVs and so far the LED versions are amoung the poorest picture, poorest viewing angel amount the rear projection HDTVs out there. Reviews out there agree with me so the fact that they arent touting new features by now is a very bad sign.

Its my opinion that Samsung will release these models and leave the RPTV market after this year like everyone else. That said, I will still lead the parade on a HL61A650 If they took them out of those stupid ultraslim cabinets.

According to the specs on the Samsung website it looks like you don't have to worry about the ultra slim cabinet for these new sets. The dimensions for the HL61A650 54.8" x 37.7" x 15.4" compared with the 55.1" x 35.8" x 11.5" for the HL-T6176S.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/spec.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_cd=HL61A650C1FXZA

Yeah, I'm waiting on the 61A750 too. On the A650 pdf link, I even tried replacing the "6" with a "7" just to see if it would work. No luck, though.:(

I am all over the 650 I think, the difference in picture is worth a few bulbs. Besides, Im going to get an extended warranty anyway this time. Set is going to be around $400 difference so its worth it to me.

Unfortunately, lots of TBD

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3064/2342452356_a9cbf48bcc.jpg?v=0

I am all over the 650 I think, the difference in picture is worth a few bulbs. Besides, Im going to get an extended warranty anyway this time. Set is going to be around $400 difference so its worth it to me.

I notice the difference you're talking about BIG TIME when at the store and I would get a lamp model instead of a DLP model but I'm really aware of those darn rainbows!! I can't see them on the LED models, so that's really the only choice for me.

Come on Samsung. Please give us some Series 7 info! :eek:

I noticed in the PDF the mentioning of Next Generation DLP® Chips from Texas Instruments. DarkChip4 maybe?

I noticed in the PDF the mentioning of Next Generation DLP® Chips from Texas Instruments. DarkChip4 maybe?

Good eye! Didn't catch that.

If it is, why are they being so secretive? This whole situation is strange. You figure they'd want to hype up the release of their televisions, especially if they were going to have DC4. Maybe "next generation" just means the chip for the new models w/o any major adjustments, but then again, it could be DC4. I don't know why they'd hide that fact behind the words they used though. Let's all keep our fingers crossed.

I'm going to buy the 61A750 no matter what the specs, so I wish they'd just hurry up and be out with them already.

If it is, why are they being so secretive? This whole situation is strange.You are missing five years of DLP history. TI stopped releasing model designations for their chips in 2004. Unless TI changes their policy, Samsung and other projector manufactures have to use other ways to describe their light engines.

The Dark 4 chip is not going to be a major improvement all by itself.

Here is the link to the Manual on the HL61A750
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDownDetail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_nm=HL61A750A1F&language=&cate_type=all&mType=UM&dType=D&vType=R&cttID=1869568&prd_ia_cd=02010300&disp_nm=HL61A750A1F

I'm keeping a cautious eye on these new LED models. I originally had an HL-S5679. It was spendy, but there were no rainbows. When it died, Samsung tried to push the HL-T5689 on me. With the HL-T, the rainbow was back, however, only red and green. It went back to Samsung.

Here's to hoping they get it right this time........


i also miss the tv guide function of the old HL-S. :(

Here is the link to the Manual on the HL61A750
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDownDetail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_nm=HL61A750A1F&language=&cate_type=all&mType=UM&dType=D&vType=R&cttID=1869568&prd_ia_cd=02010300&disp_nm=HL61A750A1F

Awesome find! How did you manage to come across that? Just a search? Thank you by the way!

Good eye! Didn't catch that.

If it is, why are they being so secretive? This whole situation is strange. You figure they'd want to hype up the release of their televisions, especially if they were going to have DC4. Maybe "next generation" just means the chip for the new models w/o any major adjustments, but then again, it could be DC4. I don't know why they'd hide that fact behind the words they used though. Let's all keep our fingers crossed.

I'm going to buy the 61A750 no matter what the specs, so I wish they'd just hurry up and be out with them already.

Dont get excited about that, the specs sheet always say next generation DLP chips. Just go to the HLT6176, says the same thing.

Odd though the specs are all TBD, If they were all same as last year would it not be the same specs? Man, I did not want to get my hopes up for a DC4 and now I do. I am basing this off the 650 though not the 750

We can already special order them at work and they would arrive in 3-5 days so that makes it incredibly hard to believe that samsung will not release specs on the units. 61A750

There are many people sitting there WAITING to buy if samsung would just let us know some information.

From the new 750 owner's manual....horizontal viewing angle is 140 degrees, and vertical is 60 degrees....is this any better than prior models?

You can download the manual for the HLT6187 and see if they match. Don't expect it to have the viewing angle of a bulb set though unless they have made major changes.

Amaz - ing now shows "In stock" for the HL61A750. However, my preorder hasn't yet shipped. The specs aren't updated or even correct (dimensions and weight are wrong).