Both of these places are showing the HL61A750 in stock.

Both of these places are showing the HL61A750 in stock.

Anybody pulling the trigger right away? Or are we all waiting for Specs?

Waiting. I really wanted to compare the 67A750 to the 72A650. But the 72 is not in the 6 series manual (sounds like the 72 is the June release to me), yet the 67 is in the 7 series manual.

Waiting. I really wanted to compare the 67A750 to the 72A650. But the 72 is not in the 6 series manual (sounds like the 72 is the June release to me), yet the 67 is in the 7 series manual.

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the 61A650 and 61A750 models? Are these models better? Etc.

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the 61A650 and 61A750 models? Are these models better? Etc.

The difference you are paying for is the Phlatlight LED light engine instead of a color wheel and bulb which will need replacement every 2-4 years.

The difference you are paying for is the Phlatlight LED light engine instead of a color wheel and bulb which will need replacement every 2-4 years.


The bulb will need replacement, not the color wheel just to be clear. The bulb set so far has had the superior picture and viewing angles however If you see Rainbows (I dont) than the LED set may be a better choice. LED sets in reviews have been among the poorest in Black level as well but we dont have specs on these yet.

The bulb will need replacement, not the color wheel just to be clear. The bulb set so far has had the superior picture and viewing angles however If you see Rainbows (I dont) than the LED set may be a better choice. LED sets in reviews have been among the poorest in Black level as well but we dont have specs on these yet.

The color wheel moves, so it will need replacement sometime. My 5 year old color wheel has a high pitched whine, and I can't wait to get rid of it. Also, there have been many very positive reviews on the LED sets after calibration by some very respectable people on this site. They may not be the best, but they are certainly capable of delivering a stunning picture.

But, no one has seen an 08 yet, so we can only speculate and hope that it is even better than the previous generations.

I'm very excited to see that they got rid of the ultra slim cabinets for the lamp based models. It gives me hope of getting rid of my smiley face 5076s for a 50A650 with good geometry. I noticed on samsung's site that they've changed the contrast numbers for the lamp based models. I know that in general to take contrast ratio's with a grain of salt. But for the 2007 models they claimed 10,000:1, and for the 2008 they claim 2,500:1. Why do you think they have changed it?

Dynamic and Native?

Just a thought

I'm very excited to see that they got rid of the ultra slim cabinets for the lamp based models. It gives me hope of getting rid of my smiley face 5076s for a 50A650 with good geometry. I noticed on samsung's site that they've changed the contrast numbers for the lamp based models. I know that in general to take contrast ratio's with a grain of salt. But for the 2007 models they claimed 10,000:1, and for the 2008 they claim 2,500:1. Why do you think they have changed it?


Where do you see that number for the 2008 models?

Where do you see that number for the 2008 models?
It's on the samsung site, but only for the 50.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_cd=HL50A650C1FXZA

Hmm your right, and it says "highest contrast ratio"

Must be a mistake.

Still very weird how the specs are like shrouded in secrecy.

Definitely weird, and even if it Native vs. Dynamic, why would you ever Market the lower number? Isn't the point to get people to want to buy your TV?

I was inches away from buying the HL-T7288W a few weeks ago, and now I feel like this is never going to end. Especially since the new 72 doesn't look like it will be out for 2-3 months.

I just talked to a tier 2 person at Samsung. Basically he had nothing but he did suggest that contrast ratio could be 25,000:1

Again, he had no info on any sets so he pulled that out of nowhere.

It's on the samsung site, but only for the 50.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_cd=HL50A650C1FXZAI see now the 50A650, 56A650 (http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/13/hl56a650c1fxza/hl56a650_spec.pdf), and 61A650 (http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/13/hl61a650c1fxza/hl61a650_spec.pdf) listed on Samsung site. (link to data sheets)

Although the data sheets doesn't specify type of HDMI used, the user manual has AnyNet+ diagram shows this A650 series uses HDMI 1.3.

I see now the 50A650, 56A650 (http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/13/hl56a650c1fxza/hl56a650_spec.pdf), and 61A650 (http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/13/hl61a650c1fxza/hl61a650_spec.pdf) listed on Samsung site. (link to data sheets)

Data sheet doesn't specify type of HDMI?

True. But unless they updated it, I think those data sheets all have TBDs in the specs.

PDF for the 61 model says CEC enabled, thats HDMI 1.3 for sure.

PDF for the 61 model says CEC enabled, thats HDMI 1.3 for sure.I updated my post as soon as the user manual was downloaded. ;)

But just a FYI CEC has been in use since HDMI 1.0, but there are new commands available with HDMI 1.3a.

When looking through the user manual, I see that there is finally a setting that suggest that the led will truely vary the brightness depending on the seen. Though the led control in the detailed setting shows that there are only 5 levels, maybe the auto setting may have more levels available to it. The dynamic contrast ratio may be greatly increased if this is the case.

When taking a quick look through the manual, the first thing that struck me was:

Why do they only have one rf input? The older models, at least the HL-R models, had two, one for an antenna, and one for cable. I use both! And to top it off, they spend 1/2 a page showing how to connect a manual A/B switch.

And of course, the lack of cablecard capability is another pain. Seems like Samsung (and other TV manufacturers) are now in league with the cable companies to require you to rent their cable boxes. Very disappointing.

I wonder if they mount the LEDs using the same glue they used to mount the mirrors in the light tunnels?

Why buy these if they are going to exit the business?

Why buy these if they are going to exit the business?


If it meets your needs in terms of size and cost what's not to like. It's not like you're going to trade it in year after year on another one like a car. So if Samsungs decides to stop producing them at some point, it will still give you years of enjoyment.

If it meets your needs in terms of size and cost what's not to like. It's not like you're going to trade it in year after year on another one like a car. So if Samsungs decides to stop producing them at some point, it will still give you years of enjoyment.

Agree. The choice for me is based on getting the highest quality big screen that fits within my budget. Since I want a screen 67 or bigger, DLP is the best choice and Samsung is my favorite DLP.

Well so far what the PCmall rep has told me is spot on. She told me several weeks ago the 61A750 would be on sale 3-19-08 with the 67A750 avail 3-23-08. Hopefully once avail we can find out more info on the units.

Will some of you soon to be early adopters start an official owner's thread, or stay in this one--specifically the new LEDs?

How long will Sammy continue to service these after they leave the business?

FYI, Circuit City has the 750 on their website now:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-61-Series-7-DLP-HDTV-HL-61A7501FXZA/sem/rpsm/oid/207075/catOid/-12870/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

It's showing the refresh rate as 120hz but has some other inaccuracies so I'm not sure how valid that is.

How long will Sammy continue to service these after they leave the business?

What make's you think that Samsung is leaving the RPTV LED DLP business? Do you know soemthing that we don't?

From what I've seen they're great sets with a great price and that's hard to beat. Unless you want (need) real a true flat panel to hang on a wall the extra cabinet depth is neither here nor there. I'd take the picture quality over that any day.

When they say that they are going to revisit the category at the end of the year it is like a team owner saying " I have all the confidence in the world in my manager".

Anybody pulling the trigger right away? Or are we all waiting for Specs?

I have. I placed my order w/ Crutchfield last week after they cancelled my previous order for the 6189S. They gave me a very nice discount because of the cancellation, their free white glove delivery, no tax (I'm in NJ) and also gave me the Sammy matching stand free too. Delivery is expected 3/31.

On a side note. I stopped into BB last night and chatted up the Magnolia manager about the 61A750. They show 1 at their wharehouse for delivery next week. I asked about specs, specifically what TI chp and said that would be the deal breaker. He called their sammy sales rep (on speaker phone) and put the question to him. The sammy rep's answer was, TI DC4 for what it's worth.

When they say that they are going to revisit the category at the end of the year it is like a team owner saying " I have all the confidence in the world in my manager".


I'm not sure that that follows. Do you have a reference for that quote by the way?

Any business will continually monitor and review progress (or lack of) in lines and that is only natural. So far, sales of LED DLP RPTV have bucked the trend and with the exit of Sony the field has been left wide open.

RPTV is likely to remain a good choice for all sorts of reasons for people with the space to accommodate one. OLED will probably sweep all before it but not for a few years. Samsung is well placed in that field too and maybe that's what's behind such sentiments.

Why buy these if they are going to exit the business?


If you got an extended warranty for say 4 years I wouldn't worry about parts availability. After that time everyone will have the next great thing the 60" thin panel OLED. :)

From the new 750 owner's manual....horizontal viewing angle is 140 degrees, and vertical is 60 degrees....is this any better than prior models?

Looking at the past manuals, there does not seem to be any differnce in viewing angles.

The quote notation may be removed but it is a statement uttered many times over many years by team management before they end up firing the person.

It looks like the dimensions of the HL67A750 is 60.8 x 41.5 x 16.6 inches according to the 750 series pdf.

Looking for tv stands...

It looks like the dimensions of the HL67A750 is 60.8 x 41.5 x 16.6 inches according to the 750 series pdf.

Looking for tv stands...

Isn't Samsung going to release one? I will be getting this TV within the next few weeks no doubt and want a Sammy like stand to get the width just perfect.

Let us know what stands you come upon to fit this beast.

How long will Sammy continue to service these after they leave the business?

Since there is far less competition for RPTVs now, it's quite possible that Samsung will be in "the business" for some time. Not sure what your definition of business is here, but if it's RPTVs, they still have a huge price advantage over plasma or LCD flat-panel in larger sizes and many people including me prefer their image quality.

This may all change once Sony and Sharp's combined production facility for larger flat-panels comes online in 2010 or 2011 but we'll have to wait and see. RPTV won't stay stagnant during that time either.

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RPTV is likely to remain a good choice for all sorts of reasons for people with the space to accommodate one. OLED will probably sweep all before it but not for a few years. Samsung is well placed in that field too and maybe that's what's behind such sentiments.

Very true quadruplex. I have 3 gamers at home and even though they say the newer plasmas don't have a burn in problem, I don't want to take the chance. As for PQ, I think DLP sets look great. I've been very happy with our Toshiba 46" set but want a larger screen so I've been keeping an eye on this thread.

FWIW, I went to BB last week and the Magnolia guy was pushing DLP to a customer which really surprised me and was giving him all of the advantages of DLP which I've learned about here. Hmmm, maybe he was an AVS member. Anyway, I asked him about the new Samsung sets and he said 3 weeks.:( Wonder whether Costco will sell these.

Why buy these if they are going to exit the business?

Tons of people bought last years Sony A3000 even when they found out they were getting out of the RP market.

A good TV is a good TV.

If the 750 series is DC4 and they have fixed geometry issues, I think the 08s will do very well.

Ever price a 60+ Plasma/LCD? LCDs that I saw last year at that size were 8000+ and did not come CLOSE to offering the black levels and motion capabilities of a nice RP TV of today.

The Panasonic 65 inch was floating around 6000 after they REPEATEDLY kept dropping MSRP.

I own the HLT6187s and a panasonic 50 inch plasma for reference. The 61 will be upgraded to the 67 inch 750 when we get it into our store.

FYI, Circuit City has the 750 on their website now:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-61-Series-7-DLP-HDTV-HL-61A7501FXZA/sem/rpsm/oid/207075/catOid/-12870/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

It's showing the refresh rate as 120hz but has some other inaccuracies so I'm not sure how valid that is.


Its like the only specs we gets seem like mistakes. 2,500:1 contrast ratio on the samsung site and the CC site has 3:2 pulldown = no.

I mean cmon, some concrete news here and apparently its Samsung not releasing info. I have called them twice and talked to second level and they know (or say they know) nothing on the specs.

I'm a newbie obsessing about the 67a750. I have a samsung HLR5667W currently and think it's a good TV. I am seeing some comments regarding LED not being as good as a lamp, and a potential problem with the screen sagging? Not exactly sure what this means.

Can someone comment on LED vs lamp on this unit, and has the sag issue been addressed?

I'm a newbie obsessing about the 67a750. I have a samsung HLR5667W currently and think it's a good TV. I am seeing some comments regarding LED not being as good as a lamp, and a potential problem with the screen sagging? Not exactly sure what this means.

Can someone comment on LED vs lamp on this unit, and has the sag issue been addressed?

While I can't comment on the LED vs. Lamp issue, I can comment on the 'screen sag'. There was an issue with the 2007 Lamp based sets, and to a lesser degree the LED sets (I believe), where they would exhibit horizontal bowing. Imagine horizontal lines not being completely straight, but forming a smile at the edges. It is caused by less than rigid screens, and compounded by the case design on these models. In particular the Lamp based sets, HL-TXX76s.

They developed these "Ultra Slim" cases, which were 6-8" thinner depth wise compared to the previous versions. To achieve that, they changed the optic system and added another mirror in the top of the case, which would magnify any geometry problems. The case is also very, VERY flimsy. If the case was sturdy, I imagine the bowing problem would be much less severe, as it would support the screen. So to sumarize, we've got an additional mirror, a flimsy case, which is pushing down on a flimsy screen, causing it to bulge out causing the smiley face effect.

I've had the HL-T5076s since June '07, and above is what I understand is the problem. I haven't complained to Samsung yet, because I know they don't have a fix as this is an inherent design issue with the Ultra Slim cases. Some have gotten lucky after going through multiple replacements and gotten one with little to no bowing, but who wants to exchange their TV 4 times. The good news is that the '08 models no longer utilize this design, and have gone back to the previous slightly deeper cases. While we won't know for sure until the sets start trickling into stores and the first AVS'ers get them in house, it's a fairly good bet the 'screen sag' won't be an issue this year. If that's so, I'll be calling Samsung to complain until they give me a non bowing set. Hopefully this is helpful in explaining the geometry problems of last years televisions. Maybe someone else can discuss LED vs. Lamp.

BTW, aside from bowing, the PQ is outstanding!

LED vs Lamps

Pretty simply. Lamps are a mature technology. They are made to be very bright with an excellent white balance. They cost $10 to make and are sold for $300, so you can see why the manufactures don't want to leave them behind.
LED is a relatively new technology. It has not been that many years since researchers have been able to develop LEDs that emit light at the correct frequencies. Now they are working on making them brighter. In the 2007 model year the LED models had to use a screen which had an extremely tight sweet-spot due to the considerably lower light output of the LED engine when compared to a lamp. This also had a side-effect of reducing the contrast ratio which in theory would be very good, but was degraded by using a screen that focused all the light straight forward. The 2008 models are being advertised as being 40-50% brighter. Does that mean a normal screen can be used and off-center viewing will improve as will contrast? I don't know. They won't even announce if it has Darkchip4 or not and they have already arrived at warehouses!
Also, FYI - the LED engine is a Platlight and is made in New Jersey. Likewise, the DLP chip is Texas Instruments. Right now a Samsung LED DLP RPTV is the most American a TV as you can buy. It matters to me, your mileage may vary.

i am sure getting anxious to see these new tv's . i hope it will not be dissapointing.

LED vs Lamp came down to PQ and viewing angles to me. The bulb can be a pain yes but for the same money I can get a warranty to cover a bulb or 2 for some extra green. This should be done anyway on a rear projection. Viewing angles on the LED sets were terrible and they did not seem to have the same "pop" especially in the ability to produce blacks.

Last years bulb sets were a disaster due to the cabinet as posted above. I am on my second set and that one is going back too. My kid runs in the room and the picture shakes due to that mirror being mounted on top.

I happened to check on these models while at work today we have 50 of each in our district warehouse, However we still do not have the 67 inch or the 72 inch in our database..

Do LED's dim as badly over time as traditional lamps? I'm looking to replace this 4 or 5 year old work horse RPJ LCD, and while the bulb is somehow still going, it's probably at a fourth (or less) of its once peak output.

I happened to to on these models while at work today we have 50 of each in our district warehouse, However we still do not have the 67 inch or the 72 inch in our data base..

Are you saying that you have the 2008 series A650s & A750s in your delivery system? Could you comment on which store you work for? I'm very anxious to see these in person.

Yes we have the 50, 56, and 61 inch A650's in the warehouse and the 61A750
also, in the system and in the warehouse in stock. I work for Best Buy.

Circuit city here.

We also have the 61A750s in our warehouse to special order.

3-5 days

Yes we have the 50, 56, and 61 inch A650's in the warehouse and the 61A750
also, in the system and in the warehouse in stock. I work for Best Buy.

Circuit city here.

We also have the 61A750s in our warehouse to special order.

3-5 days

I don't know about all you other guys, but I am very happy to hear this news. It's great to know that although we haven't even had any info on the Series 7s that they are still looking to be ready for an April purchase date.

The only thing left for me to really stress about now is how long it will take the Sears here in Hilo, Hawaii to get one (HL61A750). I envy all of you greatly that are able to have so many choices available to you. Every single website I've been to will not ship TVs to Hawaii so that eliminates so many choices and possible deals. On top of it all, as Hilo is not the biggest of cities, Sears is the ONLY choice I have to buy my TVs. No Circuit City, Best Buy, Fry's, NOTHING! (Wal-Mart and Radio Shack are here but have absolute crap as far as TVs go). Anyway, hopefully they'll ship some over here before too long. I'm already going crazy, so keep posting news as that's the only thing I have to keep me alive! :eek:

Sorry if i missed it in the thread, but has anyone established yet if the new sets have the new DLP Darkchip?

Sorry if i missed it in the thread, but has anyone established yet if the new sets have the new DLP Darkchip?

No

Yeah, but at least you get to live in Hawaii, so you get no sympathy from me! We're supposed to get 2-4 more inches of snow here in Michigan tomorrow. :mad:

The only thing left for me to really stress about now is how long it will take the Sears here in Hilo, Hawaii to get one (HL61A750). I envy all of you greatly that are able to have so many choices available to you. Every single website I've been to will not ship TVs to Hawaii so that eliminates so many choices and possible deals. On top of it all, as Hilo is not the biggest of cities, Sears is the ONLY choice I have to buy my TVs. No Circuit City, Best Buy, Fry's, NOTHING! (Wal-Mart and Radio Shack are here but have absolute crap as far as TVs go). Anyway, hopefully they'll ship some over here before too long. I'm already going crazy, so keep posting news as that's the only thing I have to keep me alive! :eek:

Still nothing on Samsung's site about the 750s. All the info should be available already, this is getting rediculous.

yankeeman & NismoZ -

Nothing confirmed, but there was this from Erock1 a page or so back:

"On a side note. I stopped into BB last night and chatted up the Magnolia manager about the 61A750. They show 1 at their wharehouse for delivery next week. I asked about specs, specifically what TI chp and said that would be the deal breaker. He called their sammy sales rep (on speaker phone) and put the question to him. The sammy rep's answer was, TI DC4 for what it's worth."

Amazon has shipped my HL61A750. Eagle/Ceva claims arrival expected 3/26.

yankeeman & NismoZ -

Nothing confirmed, but there was this from Erock1 a page or so back:

"On a side note. I stopped into BB last night and chatted up the Magnolia manager about the 61A750. They show 1 at their wharehouse for delivery next week. I asked about specs, specifically what TI chp and said that would be the deal breaker. He called their sammy sales rep (on speaker phone) and put the question to him. The sammy rep's answer was, TI DC4 for what it's worth."

That is good info there. Hope the Samsung rep is right.

Amazon has shipped my HL61A750. Eagle/Ceva claims arrival expected 3/26.

It looks like you might be the first one on this board to actually get one. There was someone else who ordered off Crutchfield but supposedly Crutchfield is not getting it until 3/31.
I'm sure you'll be getting a ton of questions once it arrives!

It looks like you might be the first one on this board to actually get one.

WooHoo! My comparative opinion may be of little relevance, however, as I'm replacing my 23 year old 20" Sony, so I'll be easily impressed.

Didn't someone earlier in the thread say tentative street sale date was 03/19 for the 61 and 03/23 for the 67?

If that is the case, we may actually have a 61 in OUR store.

I have been off for 3 days but I will definitely check tomorrow.

If it is there, it will be opened. :eek:

At least in Tulsa... well, they are one short. I'm enjoying March Madness from my living room with my new HL61A750! I got mine from the 71st and 169 store even though I live in Owasso and they have one too they didn't want to deal with me like the other store did.

This is my first HD TV so I'm impressed as expected but I don't think I can comment on the specs too much since this is so new to me :)

I'd provide any comments that I can if somebody provides me the proper details.

Watching my right now!!! Looks like I won the contest!

Didn't someone earlier in the thread say tentative street sale date was 03/19 for the 61 and 03/23 for the 67?

If that is the case, we may actually have a 61 in OUR store.

I have been off for 3 days but I will definitely check tomorrow.

If it is there, it will be opened. :eek:


Is that the bulb 650 or LED 750?

Watching my right now!!! Looks like I won the contest!
Info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anything you can say about it would be very appreciated...even pics would be great! I was about to pull the trigger on the 6187 but now want to see about the new models before I decide. Thanks!!!

Is the 67A750 still supposed to be coming out?

Info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anything you can say about it would be very appreciated...even pics would be great! I was about to pull the trigger on the 6187 but now want to see about the new models before I decide. Thanks!!!

It has to say something about contrast ratio somewhere?

They could have thrown an even more exaggerated number out there though with the same exact tech., so we need a measured ansi contrast ratio.

Watching my right now!!! Looks like I won the contest!
Are you going to have it calibrated?

If it does, I can't find it.

Not initially... I didn't get a stand yet and we are going to get new furniture and a sound system.

Best Buy was pushing this as a service but I declined for now.

Anybody do this themselves?

ztkp01,
Are you viewing in a dark enough room where you can comment on the black levels? If so, do you mind commenting on whether or not the leds are completely turning off when there is just black on the screen. If not, would you mind letting us know later on this evening if it does or not. Also whats your opinion on the screen uniformity (color shifts from edge to edge on white screen) and viewing angles? I think that many of us are wondering about this. Thanks in advance.

Also, please comment on the screen regarding glare. From the stock pics I've seen it seems Samsung put the reflective surface on the screen, like Dell used to do with their laptop monitors. The bezel is also reflective black, but is the screen also?

And you said you got the 750 - LED version, not the 650 - Lamp version, right?

He did say this was his first HDTV, may want to explain what are looking for him to answer.

ztkp01,
Are you viewing in a dark enough room where you can comment on the black levels? If so, do you mind commenting on whether or not the leds are completely turning off when there is just black on the screen. If not, would you mind letting us know later on this evening if it does or not. Also whats your opinion on the screen uniformity (color shifts from edge to edge on white screen) and viewing angles? I think that many of us are wondering about this. Thanks in advance.
I'm sitting in a 15' x 20' room with 4 windows (the two closest to the TV are closed at the moment. I got this yesterday afternoon but I wasn't able to test until about 9PM last night (i.e. dark). I'm guessing that some of what you are looking for is somewhat subjective in the black levels. I watched a few things last night and I thought that the colors were very good. I'm not sure what I should be looking for with respect to the black levels. However, watching the basketball games, there are a number of dark suits and the black on the refs outfits looks good.

I tried National Treasures via DVD and component cable (yep, got to upgrade this too). The blacks might have been a little dark using the defaults. The whites (i.e. snow scene at the beginning) looked good.

Also, please comment on the screen regarding glare. From the stock pics I've seen it seems Samsung put the reflective surface on the screen, like Dell used to do with their laptop monitors. The bezel is also reflective black, but is the screen also?

And you said you got the 750 - LED version, not the 650 - Lamp version, right?
I'm pleased with the lack of glare on this unit. It is the HL61A750 model (i.e. LED).

any chance of posting a pic of the specs page in the manual?

- Jeff

Info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anything you can say about it would be very appreciated...even pics would be great! I was about to pull the trigger on the 6187 but now want to see about the new models before I decide. Thanks!!!
I'm not 100% sure how to attach pictures but I'll try.... ok, I give up!

any chance of posting a pic of the specs page in the manual?

- Jeff

There was a link to manual earlier in this thread.

any chance of posting a pic of the specs page in the manual?

- Jeff
A quick review of the manual shows it's pretty much as the PDF file found earlier. I printed that out to see what I could find before buying. My memory was this was a how to guide vs. any specs. Did you look at this? If so, let me know what sections and I can provide details.

There was a link to manual earlier in this thread.
FYI - this link isn't the final manual. If you notice that that half of the PDF manual is in Spainish but the footer mentions English. This was fixed in the one that I got. I don't know what else might have changed but that was an obivous one.

Thanks, I appreciate all the effort and information you have given so far.

ztkp01: Great early feedback. Any chance you could post some pics of your set at some point.

Watching my right now!!! Looks like I won the contest!


Sounds like it's time for you to be the first to start HL61A750 owners thread. :)

ztkp01: Great early feedback. Any chance you could post some pics of your set at some point.
I'm ready to post but I don't see how to insert the pictures when I try to insert an image it appears to be looking for a URL. I'm guessing that I need to post the image on another site and link them. Would that be correct?

[QUOTE=ztkp01;13427432]At least in Tulsa... well, they are one short. I'm enjoying March Madness from my living room with my new HL61A750! I got mine from the 71st and 169 store even though I live in Owasso and they have one too they didn't want to deal with me like the other store did.

About the store you bought from, you said they did a deal for you. MSRP is supposed to be $2399. If you don't mind I would like you to send me a private message with the price you paid.
I may be able to do a price match. Thank you...

I'm ready to post but I don't see how to insert the pictures when I try to insert an image it appears to be looking for a URL. I'm guessing that I need to post the image on another site and link them. Would that be correct?

you can go to www.tinypic.com to upload a pic there. It will give you a link for pasting in message boards.

Sounds like it's time for you to be the first to start HL61A750 owners thread. :)Here is a tip based on five years of owner's threads dedicated to Samsung DLP models.

Who ever starts the thread needs to be interested enough to keep updating the first post so that newcomers can find the most important information. It's even a good idea for the person who starts the thread to do a couple of extra posts to hold space for different types of information.

Also give the title some thought. In this case there will be two LED models so referring to HLxxA750 owners might be better than AL61A750 and AL67A750 owners.

UCSB started an outstanding owner's thread for the 2005 1080p models. He used the first four posts for all the information that he collected and organized.

Check it out here:

Samsung 1080p Owner's Thread --- HLRxxx8W DLP Models (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=559872)

This thread now has 11,678 posts, but it's easy for anyone to find important information in the first four or five posts.

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Ztkp01,
can you tell us if your 61A750's case is flimsy? The 2007 models, you can press on the top of the set and push it down. You could push in the screen too. Someone also said that if you jumped up and down or ran hard near the set, the picture would shake, all due to the TV's case & bezel being so thin and flimsy.
Please, please, let us know.

P.S. can someone explain to Ztkp01 how to access the service menu. Perhaps it's the same as the 89s or other '07 models. Maybe the type of TI chip will be listed.

Thanks ztkp01!

Here is a tip based on five years of owner's threads dedicated to Samsung DLP models.

Who ever starts the thread needs to be interested enough to keep updating the first post so that newcomers can find the most important information. It's even a good idea for the person who starts the thread to do a couple of extra posts to hold space for different types of information.



JohnAV volunteered to maintain the owner's thread. John- can you confirm?

Ztkp01,
can you tell us if your 61A750's case is flimsy? The 2007 models, you can press on the top of the set and push it down. You could push in the screen too. Someone also said that if you jumped up and down or ran hard near the set, the picture would shake, all due to the TV's case & bezel being so thin and flimsy.
Please, please, let us know.

P.S. can someone explain to Ztkp01 how to access the service menu. Perhaps it's the same as the 89s or other '07 models. Maybe the type of TI chip will be listed.

Thanks ztkp01!
Flimsy... well, that again is somewhat subjective but I was amazed at the "flexibility" when we set this up. Having said that, due to the size (i.e. width and thickness), I don't think that it was a flimsy as it might be. To be specific, I held my left hand on the top middle of the screen and my right hand on the top right corner. If I tried to twist the frame (easily), it did move but only about 1/2" on the far left top corner. I didn't try to twist very much but I got resistance about beyond the that which seemed reasonsable based upon the size.

Ztkp01,
can you tell us if your 61A750's case is flimsy? The 2007 models, you can press on the top of the set and push it down. You could push in the screen too. Someone also said that if you jumped up and down or ran hard near the set, the picture would shake, all due to the TV's case & bezel being so thin and flimsy.
Please, please, let us know.

P.S. can someone explain to Ztkp01 how to access the service menu. Perhaps it's the same as the 89s or other '07 models. Maybe the type of TI chip will be listed.

Thanks ztkp01!


That was a super slim lamp 76 series not a 87 or 89 led series.
Not sure how much difference that makes.

Mind pulling up some sort of TV guide or channel listing and telling us if the horizontal lines look like ------------------------ or like \___________/

Thanks

That was a super slim lamp 76 series not a 87 or 89 led series.
Not sure how much difference that makes.

The 87 and 89 series still suffered from a "flimsy casing" in my opinion from viewing a ton of them.

I have seen many of the 07 LED models with bowing and/or pincusion ) (

Hopefully they addressed that

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Thanks
On my Channel listing, it is ________________.

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Thanks for posting it. I was hoping Samsung would have advertised the D4 chip along the bottom of the screen pic with the other improvements listed if in fact it's based on it.

ztkp01... I just want to add my thanks to you for your quick responses.. for those of us waiting.. and waiting.. (etc.) to get a new tv this is eagerly anticipated news...

now if only the 67 inch will come out...

and in Canada..

keep the good (or any) news coming !

I think they took a 6187s and rebadged it and put new stickers on it :eek:


I kid, I kid

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Yes, thank you sooo much ztkp01.....it's very nice of you to take time and try to answer all our questions.....I have become totally obsessed about this whole buying a new TV thing and have done countless hours of research so thank you for your help!

ztkp01

Here comes another request, one that I imagine a lot of board patrons are also interested in.

How is the viewing angle?

The easiest way to quantify this without taking real measurements is fairly simple. Stand directly in front of and in the center of the TV. Take 4 steps (about 6 feet) directly away from the TV. Then turn right or left and begin taking steps while watching the center of the TV image. How many paces (ft) can you get before you notice a decrease in brightness and screen uniformity?

If you can only move 6 feet away after moving 6 feet out before noticing a drop in the center of the display, that would indicate a 90 degree viewing angle (45+45). The further the better. The reason I am asking is that dimmer RPTVs use screens that focus only straight ahead and little to the sides. If the LED is brighter now, they could use a better screen that improves the viewing angles.

Yes, thank you sooo much ztkp01.....it's very nice of you to take time and try to answer all our questions.....I have become totally obsessed about this whole buying a new TV thing and have done countless hours of research so thank you for your help!
No problems folks. I've been waiting for some time to buy a new TV was looking at the 87s model for some time but it appeared that the screen wasn't as clear top to bottom depending upon the viewing angle. Wasn't too bad for me but my wife didn't care too much. This was in comparison to my brother's 60" Sony. So, I held off waiting to see if Sony was going to have an LED version. When they stopped, I was left waiting for the HL61A750 model (and hoping). I didn't see this issue when this model (at least to the same degree).

I purchased two new samsung 50" DLP units, model numberHLT5076s. When I hooked them up one had slight bowing and the other one had a very distinct bowing. These were purchased through Best Buy so I called them out. The repairman walked in and blamed it on the source of the signal. I was prepared for that and ran him through the source being direct TV, Fios and over the air antennae. The bowing remained. He then stated that plasmas have this problem. When I told him it wasnt a plasma he was embarassed and started to look into the problem. He got Samsung on the line and they put a grid on the screen and he said it was within specs even thought the lines disappeared in the corner. He never looked in all 4 corners to see where the grid landed. I called Samsung and got an extremely smug representative who told me that most of the times it is the consumer misusing the product that causes the problem. He kept on telling me how many problems they had with people wall mounting these. I told him I didnt wall mount it but he wanted t0 dwell on that point. He said there was no problem with these models and when I told him I had seen several forums that talked about the problems he said they were not valid comments and that I was wasting my time. All the above being said I like the sets except for the bowing on one. Has anyone been able to correct the problem or do I have to watch a set that looks like it has suffered a stroke?

Thanks a ton for your replies ZTK.

Is there any possible way that someone could guide ZTK into a service menu or something to see if it is indeed the DC4?

Is there an ETA on the 72" model... I will be curious how this compares the gorgeous (once calibrated) 833 73" set from mits....

ztkp01

Here comes another request, one that I imagine a lot of board patrons are also interested in.

How is the viewing angle?

The easiest way to quantify this without taking real measurements is fairly simple. Stand directly in front of and in the center of the TV. Take 4 steps (about 6 feet) directly away from the TV. Then turn right or left and begin taking steps while watching the center of the TV image. How many paces (ft) can you get before you notice a decrease in brightness and screen uniformity?

If you can only move 6 feet away after moving 6 feet out before noticing a drop in the center of the display, that would indicate a 90 degree viewing angle (45+45). The further the better. The reason I am asking is that dimmer RPTVs use screens that focus only straight ahead and little to the sides. If the LED is brighter now, they could use a better screen that improves the viewing angles.
I'm sure that I've got room here to do that test so easily but at the Best Buy I was. Going off memory I was probably 10-12 feet before I felt it started to degrade significantly. Remember, this is going off memory so it might not be too accurate but I was pleased with how I though it would fit in most locations (at least in my typically surroundings).

I purchased two new samsung 50" DLP units, model numberHLT5076s. When I hooked them up one had slight bowing and the other one had a very distinct bowing. These were purchased through Best Buy so I called them out. The repairman walked in and blamed it on the source of the signal. I was prepared for that and ran him through the source being direct TV, Fios and over the air antennae. The bowing remained. He then stated that plasmas have this problem. When I told him it wasnt a plasma he was embarassed and started to look into the problem. He got Samsung on the line and they put a grid on the screen and he said it was within specs even thought the lines disappeared in the corner. He never looked in all 4 corners to see where the grid landed. I called Samsung and got an extremely smug representative who told me that most of the times it is the consumer misusing the product that causes the problem. He kept on telling me how many problems they had with people wall mounting these. I told him I didnt wall mount it but he wanted t0 dwell on that point. He said there was no problem with these models and when I told him I had seen several forums that talked about the problems he said they were not valid comments and that I was wasting my time. All the above being said I like the sets except for the bowing on one. Has anyone been able to correct the problem or do I have to watch a set that looks like it has suffered a stroke?

Wrong thread. There is an owners thread for the 76s. Unfortunately, the casings that house the screen in that series is ultra thin and therefore ULTRA flimsy.

I returned my 76s as quick as possible but others were not so fortunate. Many did get replacement units were the bowing was better than others. Hit or miss IMHO

I'm sure that I've got room here to do that test so easily but at the Best Buy I was. Going off memory I was probably 10-12 feet before I felt it started to degrade significantly. Remember, this is going off memory so it might not be too accurate but I was pleased with how I though it would fit in most locations (at least in my typically surroundings).
Oops, I'm NOT sure that I've got room... sorry for that.

I purchased two new samsung 50" DLP units, model numberHLT5076s.You are posting in the wrong thread.

Thanks for posting it. I was hoping Samsung would have advertised the D4 chip along the bottom of the screen pic with the other improvements listed if in fact it's based on it.TI hasn't allowed advertising the DLP chip model since 2003.

How did people figure out the 07 models were DC3?

I'm sure that I've got room here to do that test so easily but at the Best Buy I was. Going off memory I was probably 10-12 feet before I felt it started to degrade significantly. Remember, this is going off memory so it might not be too accurate but I was pleased with how I though it would fit in most locations (at least in my typically surroundings).

Actually that is pretty helpful. I was in a Circuit City today looking at a 61" 87S and it started fading at the same distance to the side as away from the screen. If you are getting almost twice as far to the side as away from the TV that would be 120 degree viewing angle, which is much better. 120 degrees is excellent for RPTV. LCDs and Plasmas only get 160.

Thanks a whole lot. I am fairly jealous right now...

How did people figure out the 07 models were DC3?Probably someone got the schematics and identified the chips being used. Then there is always the famous Samsung rep that someone talked to someplace. ;)

They just don't publish the wobulated chip models.

LOL @ the samsung rep thing

TI hasn't allowed advertising the DLP chip model since 2003.


That's interesting I never knew that. Perhaps we'll find out soon whether the TI D4 was used.

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Thanks for taking the time to post pics. Set looks great.

Still waiting to see if Costco will carry this model so I called Samsung - although the rep was very helpful she couldn't find any info. Called Costco and they told me that it's possible they'll sell it since they've carried Samsung sets in the past but he had no info on the new models. I may end up having to purchase at Best Buy.

Flimsy... well, that again is somewhat subjective but I was amazed at the "flexibility" when we set this up. Having said that, due to the size (i.e. width and thickness), I don't think that it was a flimsy as it might be. To be specific, I held my left hand on the top middle of the screen and my right hand on the top right corner. If I tried to twist the frame (easily), it did move but only about 1/2" on the far left top corner. I didn't try to twist very much but I got resistance about beyond the that which seemed reasonsable based upon the size.


ztkp01,
thank you, so, so much for answering all of these questions and fast too!!!

Called Costco and they told me that it's possible they'll sell it since they've carried Samsung sets in the past but he had info on the new models.Costco has carried lamp based Samsung sets with a model number specific to Costco. LED sets would be something new for them.

HL61A750 still not showing up in BB online.

HL61A750 still not showing up in BB online.


did circuit city ever sell led based sets before this year? i don't remember them selling last year just best buy. i'm shocked bestbuy doesnt have them yet, and circuit city does.

to whoever gets the led 7 series can you please test it out as a pc monitor. i want to use it for gaming and as a htpc. also does anyone know if i would get lag in video and gaming, if i put the pc in the next room, and use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse (also lag from keyboard and mouse was wondering as well) dont really want a htpc as much as a gaming pc, but a gaming pc would be noisy, so i would put it in the next room by my bed room and close the door, if at all possible.

to whoever gets the led 7 series can you please test it out as a pc monitor. i want to use it for gaming and as a htpc. also does anyone know if i would get lag in video and gaming, if i put the pc in the next room, and use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse (also lag from keyboard and mouse was wondering as well) dont really want a htpc as much as a gaming pc, but a gaming pc would be noisy, so i would put it in the next room by my bed room and close the door, if at all possible.

I assume you would poke a hole in the wall to run the cables for the TV? You might also want to get a cabled Bluetooth adapter so the receiving end will be on the living room side of the wall. If the signal from a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard only have to travel across the living room (might have trouble with a wall) and down a USB cable there shouldn't be too much lag. The signal will have to go from the device, to radio frequencies, to the receiver, to USB, to the motherboard. So there will a few milliseconds lost in translation.
Now I have heard of people using adapters to use ethernet cable from the motherboard to a USB hub (which would have the input devices plugged into it). That will carry the signal a long way. Would this be an option? It could reduce lag and keep the signal on copper.

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ztkp01, could you please grab a screwdriver and take your tv apart to look for that chip? Who can tell him where to look?













Just kidding? Thanks for the pics!

I am getting excited I want some reviews etc, and lots of good pictures. Still waiting to so them in person at my store but for the price point I almost feel like I couldn't go wrong with one of these. Just hope that they have fixed some of the main problems like the flimsy cabinets from last years models...

Yes! I need more pics and reviews ASAP.....also, I need to find it on sale as I was only planning on spending $2K....haha

The biggest thing I want to know is if the bowing issues has been fixed and I would assume Samsung heard enough complaints that they fixed it but it would be nice to know for sure.

From those pictures posted it looks great though, I just want more info!

Didn't someone earlier in the thread say tentative street sale date was 03/19 for the 61 and 03/23 for the 67?

If that is the case, we may actually have a 61 in OUR store.

I have been off for 3 days but I will definitely check tomorrow.

If it is there, it will be opened. :eek:
Does this still ring true?

I am looking everywhere and stil no specs. I cant believe they dont put them in the manual.

I am looking everywhere and stil no specs. I cant believe they dont put them in the manual.

Does seem strange that Samsung doesn't even list the HL61A750 on their website yet (even though it's for sale now at CC), nor do they list the contrast ratio and other specs for the HL61A650 which they are showing as "NEW".

Does seem strange that Samsung doesn't even list the HL61A750 on their website yet (even though it's for sale now at CC), nor do they list the contrast ratio and other specs for the HL61A650 which they are showing as "NEW".


That is whats scaring me. Even the pdf manual is basically weight and size on the technical specs. Im guessing this is pretty much last years model.

With the set already on the market and no specs released, I'd be concerned as well. But a hearty THANK YOU to all the guinea pigs out there. May you inherit the earth. :)

Has anyone seen a A650 in store yet?

Maybe these models are so amazing they dont want to post specs or they will be stuck with all last years model :)

or not:rolleyes:

Maybe these models are so amazing they dont want to post specs or they will be stuck with all last years model :)

or not:rolleyes:

i'm guessing that its not a major jump this year. much like the sony a2000 and a2020 was but a little bigger difference than that.

samsung did say about 40% brighter dunno if tha will make it equa to the lamp based ones yet or not though, but maybe pretty close. also i would guess they may have fixed some of the problems with last years model, that and added the 67 inch set. i'm holding out til summer to buy a set anyays. so far i'm going for the 67 inch set, but waiting to see what mits will price laser sets first. if out of reach then i'm going to hurry and gab me a samsung 67 inch led set within a heartbeat

i'm guessing that its not a major jump this year. much like the sony a2000 and a2020 was but a little bigger difference than that.

samsung did say about 40% brighter dunno if tha will make it equa to the lamp based ones yet or not though, but maybe pretty close. also i would guess they may have fixed some of the problems with last years model, that and added the 67 inch set. i'm holding out til summer to buy a set anyays. so far i'm going for the 67 inch set, but waiting to see what mits will price laser sets first. if out of reach then i'm going to hurry and gab me a samsung 67 inch led set within a heartbeat
Well I hope you are wrong.....I would think they would have had to fix the bowing issues with the last models....

Well I hope you are wrong.....I would think they would have had to fix the bowing issues with the last models....

i hope they did fix that, i didnt say they wouldnt :) cause as of now th 67 inch is my number one tv choice, so far.

I had to call Samsung and I asked them again about the specs. I am returning a 76 series so I had to call them anyway. This guy rattled off almost everything about the set except the contrast ratio. I asked him how a TV is shipping and nobody has the contrast ratio?

Im starting to get really nervous about this now. Judging from the pics its at least what last years was.

its the same price or cheaper then last year. I doubt there is much difference and the specs wont go down.

[QUOTE=jhferry;13439927] This guy rattled off almost everything about the set except the contrast ratio.

Did you ask him about DC 4?

I had to call Samsung and I asked them again about the specs. I am returning a 76 series so I had to call them anyway. This guy rattled off almost everything about the set except the contrast ratio. I asked him how a TV is shipping and nobody has the contrast ratio?

Im starting to get really nervous about this now. Judging from the pics its at least what last years was.

What were the specs that he did "rattle off"? What did he reply when you asked him how it could ship w/o knowing the contrast ratio?

I have asked about the DC4, they dont know what that is...

The specs he rattled off were similar to the CC ad, or the specs already on the site.

Thanks for the reply...

All this mystery.....phhhht.

If I were betting, I'd bet that not only does it NOT contain any DC4 thingamachip, but that the DC4 is highly overrated to begin with.

Kinda like the Fox and the Grapes story, eh? :)

Seriously though, I would have expected Sammy to shout it from the mountaintops if the set was all that much better. Smart money would bet on a slight improvement at best.

I plan on putting this is a cabinet. Can anyone confirm if the dimensions are true to the information provided? The specs I have are 54.8 x 37.9 x 15.5. Does this height measurement measure from the top of the set to the bottom of the footing, or just to the bottom of the screen?

At this point I would not trust any of the specs until Samsung updates those PDF's

The who TBD on all the specs is odd. Why even post it?

You mean to tell me they can build them, ship them, put them on the site but the specs are not available yet?

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Based on the pictures, these sets seem to have poor black levels again. You can still see the glow around the arena when compared to the benzel of the TV. Considering that the TV is not in a completely dark room, this is probably not a good sign. Looks like it is probably a better deal to get the 2007 models since they will be significantly cheaper at this moment and there does not seem to be much improvement in either contrast or black level from what I can see. :(

Or stick to the bulb sets like me...

2007 bulb set is out due to the cab design...

...Based on the pictures, these sets seem to have poor black levels again. You can still see the glow around the arena when compared to the benzel of the TV....

Maybe the contrast on my computer screen isn't as good as yours or maybe my standards are lower, but some of those blacks sure look close to the bezel color to me. As a matter of fact the whole thing looks really good to me.

for bulb sets, if you see the rainbow effect is it enough where you can return the TV?

for bulb sets, if you see the rainbow effect is it enough where you can return the TV?

No, seeing a rainbow is just like burn-in on a plasma. Your problem and not a defect of the product. The only way you could return it would be if the store offered a worry-free period. I believe that Circuit City offers that for 30 days for any product. Return for any reason. But if you start seeing a rainbow nine months later, sorry.

I work at BB although not in the home theater department. I too have been eagerly awaiting the A750 (61 or 67 inch). I really didnt like the cheap flimsy top panel the older model had. I have been bugging the HT supervisor about the A750 for weeks now. Apparantly we now have at least 2 in stock in the warehouse that i visually verified myself. Too high in the racks to take a proper look. The HT supe says that he doesnt have the sku's for the tvs yet so he doesnt know the specs. As soon as the sku's are available he will begin selling them and provide me with the CT as well as my employee discount price. Being that Sunday is Easter and our store is closed that day there may be some kind of thing in the ad about the new models. I havent gotten a sneek peek at the ad, and though it usually pops up online it hasnt this week which is unusual (probably due again to Easter). We are having a meeting tomorrow morning at 7am and it involves the entire store so i may have more info in that respect. I know its not alot of info but its better than nothing.

Besides the smiley issue, I really need to know if they improved the bad SSE that existed on the previous generation sets(bulb and LED). I watch a lot of hockey and even when the sets were taken out of torch mode it was really distracting.

I never saw SSE all that much on the previous sets. Now the a3000 that is another story I didn't get one because it did not matter how I tweaked it the SSE was very distracting to me. I am however still kicking myself for waiting for the XBR5 and not just getting a 70" XBR2 when I had the chance... I was thinking that waiting on 1080p/24 would be the way to go.

What is SSE?

Silk Screen Effect

What is SSE?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_screen_effect

To me it gives the appearance of looking through frosted glass. My CRT RP has very minimal SSE but the digital RP sets to me are worse. I am hoping for lower gain screens to minimize the effect. One of the worst was the Toshiba from last year.

Well I am heading to CC right now, will let you know if I find out anything!

I found this posted here

engadget .com

Full HD 1080p resolution and 10,000:1 contrast ratio

can anyone confirm if these sets are 120 hertz capable and what is there black levels like?

I found this posted here

engadget .com

Full HD 1080p resolution and 10,000:1 contrast ratio



Can you set a link to this? I tried to find this info and failed. Thanks!

Couldn't find anything either at engatget....went to my local CC and they pretty much knew nothing...they had one 50 inch lamp model in the warehouse, that was it...so again, no freakin' info!

Can you set a link to this? I tried to find this info and failed. Thanks!

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/06/samsung-sticks-by-rptv-intros-hl67a750a-hl56a650a/

can anyone confirm if these sets are 120 hertz capable and what is there black levels like?

lt ers ere 120hz, so are this year 240hz arent coming til 2009. they need 120hz for 3d 60hz/60hz

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/06/samsung-sticks-by-rptv-intros-hl67a750a-hl56a650a/

Posted Jan 6th 2008. So, those specs prolly aren't correct.

okay im now the owner of the hl61qa750. that cheap flimsy top bezel that was on the old bulb dlps is gone now. that was my main worry. i have no specs on it as i got it direct from the warehouse. works great if u ask me, the only thing im concerned about is that in the ps3 its playing via hdmi and it says that its only at 24hz. whats up with that?

What are you doing when it says 24? Is it a movie maybe you are thinking of 1080p/24....

just got off the phone with 2 samsung tech support people and they said that this particular tv only does 60hz and that 120hz only applies to LCD tvs because of some 8ms response time. so im sitting here looking at a grainy bluray movie on my ps3 and my tv has turned off on its own 3 times already during playback of 1 movie. anyone else?

yeah when i tell it to play the bluray it says 1920 x 1080 24hz then the movie plays

The 650 series (bulb model) states 120 hz. What does it say in your manual?

Is this by chance the 61A650? http://www.samsung.com/mx/consumer/detail/features.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_cd=SP61K7UHX/XAX

Habla Espanol, anyone?

the manual states 60hz, this is the led version. it isnt turning off anymore. doesnt look great on standard directv. Chicken Little Bluray looks amazing. Regarding that bowing or whatever that i have been reading (all 22 pages of this thread i have read). i dont notice any at all. Maybe there are people that will notice something on the microscopic scale. I will note however that im using the cheap Dynex (best buy brand) hdmi cable that is not one of those 120hz hdmis that people are talking about. I do have one complaint, those samsung level 2 support people are idiots, it was immediately apparant that they have NO documentation for this product at all. He did not know of the importance of 120hz and could not tell me what contrast ratio this had. He was just trying to make me feel good about my purchase saying that i bought the best tv there is and that 120hz is only for LCD tvs that try to accomplish what DLP does. I love DLP but i just dont think thats true. If anyone else has any questions let me know. Oh yeah the remote has a cool light button that lights up the buttons in orange color.

yeah when i tell it to play the bluray it says 1920 x 1080 24hz then the movie plays

This is actually how you want Blu-Ray to play. If the DLP can do real 24p playback that is great. As long as when your gaming on your PS3 it does 60Hz

120Hz on an LCD just displays the 24FPS movie frames 5 times each (5:5 pulldown)

Previously with 60Hz LCD's it used to display each frame split into interlaced blocks in a 3:2 pulldown scheme. This means each half frame was displayed 2 or 3 times depending on where it fell adding judder.

how can i help you guys? any way i can find out a listing of the contrast ratio, on whether it has Dark Chip 4 and what kind of pulldown it has? Id love to help out anyone who has any questions about this television.

the box it comes in doesnt mention that is even an LED DLP, though it looks exactly like the pictures the other guy posted even the stickers on the front.

How is it for noise and heat?

Thanks

havent really checked it for heat. i havent noticed any noise. its wierd because it turned off 3 times randomly then went on and worked fine for hours afterwards.. noise wise, i built my own pc using a thermaltake case and when you turn up the fan speeds you can hear it, so im familiar with fan noise. i didnt notice anything significant

You said that while watching a blueray disk that it was grainy. What movie did you happen to be watching? do you think that it is a flaw in the disk or tv? Do play games I would like to see some COD4 pics if you have a system, or just more good pics in general.. Overall what are your immpressions of the tv over last years models would you purchase one again are you happy with it?

On samsung's site all A650 models have contrast 2500:1 and nothing about LED engine - possible 50/56/61A650
will be with cheap DMD chip+UHP bulb ?
http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/13/hl56a650c1fxza/hl56a650_spec.pdf

Only A750 series with DC4 and LED ?

how can i help you guys? any way i can find out a listing of the contrast ratio, on whether it has Dark Chip 4 and what kind of pulldown it has? Id love to help out anyone who has any questions about this television.


There may be others more qualified to navigate you but you are going to have to get into the service menu for this info.

On samsung's site all A650 models have contrast 2500:1 and nothing about LED engine - possible 50/56/61A650
will be with cheap DMD chip+UHP bulb ?
http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/13/hl56a650c1fxza/hl56a650_spec.pdf

Only A750 series with DC4 and LED ?

This cant be true, cant be. Why would the specs go down so much in a year? I also can no longer find a reference to the 120 hz display rate. What is going on here? Maybe there is a reason the specs are not listed. I know there was some discrepency over the 120 hz and whether the DLP's werer actually uses that, were they forced to update their specs to the True number?

Crap its true, From the specs pdf on the HL61A650:

3 HDMI inputs
- 480p/720i/720p/1080i/1080p
(60Hz/30Hz/24Hz) input support

I think they changed it, I remember reading 120 display rate.

SO I checked my hlt6176 where the scrren is bowed and the picture shakes and the display rate is:
DISPLAY PERFORMANCE
Video display rate: 120 Hz

So are last years set actually a better picture or has Samsung been forced to change the specs? Very disturbing...

im about to give up and buy the mitz 73833. man, what has happened to the big tvs? how hard should it be in this day and age to have a good tv over 60 in. ive got plenty of depth to house one. i don't care if it is 4 ft deep! damn you sony!

Did you guys find this yet?

Sorry, I can't post URLs yet: HL61A750A1F

samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?model_nm=HL61A750A1F&mType=UM&vType=L&disp_nm=HL61A750A1F

I see that someone had posted a link to the HL61A650 already.

I was on the verge of buying the HLT6189S from Crutchfield but then it disappeared from their website a few weeks ago and has had intermittent appearances since. Then I started reading that some 2008 models would be out in April and I decided to wait and watch this thread. ;)

I currently have a 50" Sammy 720p DLP from 2003/2004 vintage. I'd like to step into the 1080p arena for $2k-$3k.

Funny how this NEW ??? model line is already being discounted at CC.

Both 650 and 750 models....Hmmm

Sounds mighty fishy to me , no specs for a reason !!!

Seems like Sammy is trying to pull a fast one on everybody

Whoah be it to anybody who's looking to purchase a good tv these days, eh? :D

Funny how this NEW ??? model line is already being discounted at CC.

Both 650 and 750 models....Hmmm

Sounds mighty fishy to me , no specs for a reason !!!

Seems like Sammy is trying to pull a fast one on everybody

Howdy, I found that odd as well. The "2008 model" costs the same or less than the previous 1-2 model years AND you can use the 10% off coupon?!?! What's that about?

I emailed Crutchfield to see if they have any info on the 2008 stuff yet. I'm all for getting new/better stuff at the same price or less... but that rarely happens. :confused: I was at CC in Bolingbrook, IL, yesterday and they still had 76S and 87S model 61" Sammy DLPs on the floor. The 61" 87S was the "centerpiece" offering with the couch setup, etc. I asked the guy working the HT floor about the 89S model or newer and he said Easter is usually the "big truck weekend" when the warehouses start to get stocked with new stuff. He said to check the store in 1-2 weeks for newer DLPs.

I have a feeling I'm going to end up watching the entire NCAA's on the older 720P 50" DLP. :(

Did you guys find this yet?

Sorry, I can't post URLs yet: HL61A750A1F

samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?model_nm=HL61A750A1F&mType=UM&vType=L&disp_nm=HL61A750A1F

I see that someone had posted a link to the HL61A650 already.

I was on the verge of buying the HLT6189S from Crutchfield but then it disappeared from their website a few weeks ago and has had intermittent appearances since. Then I started reading that some 2008 models would be out in April and I decided to wait and watch this thread. ;)

I currently have a 50" Sammy 720p DLP from 2003/2004 vintage. I'd like to step into the 1080p arena for $2k-$3k.

Allow me:

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?model_nm=HL61A750A1F&mType=UM&vType=L&disp_nm%20=HL61A750A1F

The thing for me is, I would take last years 6176 with a fixed cabinet. If thats what this is then fine.

discontinued, they just came out and havent even hit the stores yet.

This is what is on the technical specs page in the 750 manual:

Model Name HL61A750A1F HL67A750A1F
Screen Size (Diagonal) 61 inch 67 inch
PC Resolution 1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz 1920 x 1080 @ 60 Hz
Sound (Output) 10W X 2
Dimension (W x H x D) 54.8 x 37.9 x 15.5 inches
(1391 x 961 x 392 mm)
60.8 x 41.5 x 16.6 inches
(1544 x 1054 x 421 mm)
Weight 71.2 lbs (31.8 kg) 86.7 lbs (39.3 kg)
Environmental Considerations
Operating Temperature
Operating Humidity
Storage Temperature
Storage Humidity
50 °F to 104 °F (10 °C to 40 °C)
10% to 80%, non-condensing
-4 °F to 113 °F (-20 °C to 45 °C)
5% to 95%, non-condensing
50 °F to 104 °F (10 °C to 40 °C)
10% to 80%, non-condensing
-4 °F to 113 °F (-20 °C to 45 °C)
5% to 95%, non-condensing

So they post the manual and omit most of the specs. I mean this is like deliberate at this point.

discontinued, they just came out and havent even hit the stores yet.

You mean the 650 series? Are you saying this for sure or you are guessing?

Why would samsung post the models you cant buy on their site and not post the ones shipping?

Doesn't the fact that the 89 and 87 models are selling at the same or even higher than the 650's and 750's seem strange? I have not been in the market for big screens before and have just been reading and doing research, but I personally find it odd that the prices are so low for these new sets. Couple this with the lack of specs and it seems like Samsung is up to something.

they are not discontinued they are sold out of the a750s. They probably only had a few on the initial shipment.

chpwaman....
That is normal.
The new plasmas are like this for Panasonic.

Doesn't the fact that the 89 and 87 models are selling at the same or even higher than the 650's and 750's seem strange? I have not been in the market for big screens before and have just been reading and doing research, but I personally find it odd that the prices are so low for these new sets. Couple this with the lack of specs and it seems like Samsung is up to something.


Newer sets coming out for cheaper than the previous models can be somewhat common. I've run across this quite a bit especially in recent years. Some stores have the old inventory and the pricing just doesn't get lowered for whatever reason like you might think.

you can get an even better deal on the old samsungs at circuit city they dropped their prices on most of em.

chpwaman....
That is normal.
The new plasmas are like this for Panasonic.

Newer sets coming out for cheaper than the previous models can be somewhat common. I've run across this quite a bit especially in recent years. Some stores have the old inventory and the pricing just doesn't get lowered for whatever reason like you might think.

That is interesting...I would have figured the older models were discounted heavily before the new ones shipped.

I'd exercise a little patience before we get all paranoid...:rolleyes:

This appeared on Big River's home page today:

Hot Deals on End-of-Model-Year Samsung DLP HDTVs
As Samsung prepares to release new models, we've lowered prices on current models while supplies last. There's no better time to get a great deal on Samsung 1080p DLP HDTVs.

›Shop all Samsung HDTVS

So if the fire sale is on...let's hope this means good news about the tech in the A750s.

This may have been mentioned, but the A750s HAVE to be 120 Hz in order to properly do 3D @ 60 Hz in each eye, right? So it would be safe to assume these sets can do 5:5 pulldown for 24fps, etc? I'm troubled that the PDF manual linked to earlier in this thread had no mention of "Auto Motion" settings like the Sammy 120 Hz LCDs do.

hey, thats right i forgot about that 3d stuff. You are more then likely right about that 120 hz thing.

120 hz is mainly to stop motion blur on lcd sets anyways. Dlp's dont really have motion blur.

This appeared on Big River's home page today:

Hot Deals on End-of-Model-Year Samsung DLP HDTVs
As Samsung prepares to release new models, we've lowered prices on current models while supplies last. There's no better time to get a great deal on Samsung 1080p DLP HDTVs.

›Shop all Samsung HDTVS

So if the fire sale is on...let's hope this means good news about the tech in the A750s.

This may have been mentioned, but the A750s HAVE to be 120 Hz in order to properly do 3D @ 60 Hz in each eye, right? So it would be safe to assume these sets can do 5:5 pulldown for 24fps, etc? I'm troubled that the PDF manual linked to earlier in this thread had no mention of "Auto Motion" settings like the Sammy 120 Hz LCDs do.

Great point!

That is interesting...I would have figured the older models were discounted heavily before the new ones shipped.


If you look hard enough you just might find some models dating back a couple of years or more, still going for the same price they went for for that time period!

Which just shows how ignorant some people are--they will pay that much!

Has anyone else seen this article? I'm worried it could possibly effect Samsung's LED DLPs. The old lady holding the patent is suing like EVERY SINGLE foreign electronics company that is using LED technology.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080323-led-patent-dispute-could-block-blu-ray-cellphones-imports.html

another article here:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/little-old-lady-to-take-down-sony-samsung-nokia-and-everyone-e/

Has anyone else seen this article? I'm worried it could possibly effect Samsung's LED DLPs. The old lady holding the patent is suing like EVERY SINGLE foreign electronics company that is using LED technology.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080323-led-patent-dispute-could-block-blu-ray-cellphones-imports.html

another article here:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/21/little-old-lady-to-take-down-sony-samsung-nokia-and-everyone-e/

She is suing companies selling LED laser diodes, specifically the violet (blue) lasers in HDDVD and BluRay. The Samsung LEDs use three different color LED 'light bulbs' as a light source. Don't worry about it.



And also, they are not listing 120hz as a spec for source material, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING A 120HZ SOURCE MATERIAL. Anything higher than 60 is used for special effects like 3D or making those inbetween frames on 120hz LCDs. There is no material that is transmitted that way in the consumer market.

I seen this today, don't know if its been posted before.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-61-Series-7-DLP-HDTV-HL-61A7501FXZA/sem/rpsm/oid/207075/catOid/-12870/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do#proddesc

i bought one will arrive tuesday. They only had a few so I dont think they are discontinued like someone posted before. They will probably get more soon since they werent suppose to be out till April anyways. I cant wait. I have an older hlp6163 and it was good in its day but the color and brightness arent even close to the new ones and ive replaced the bulbs every year or so just cause its on all the time. So if you want a back up bulb let me know I might have one laying around.

i bought one will arrive tuesday. They only had a few so I dont think they are discontinued like someone posted before. They will probably get more soon since they werent suppose to be out till April anyways. I cant wait. I have an older hlp6163 and it was good in its day but the color and brightness arent even close to the new ones and ive replaced the bulbs every year or so just cause its on all the time. So if you want a back up bulb let me know I might have one laying around.


Did you get to watch and compare it to other sets at the store.

no i figured for the price and ability to return it in 30 days i would risk it. I figured it has to be at least comprable to last year if not better as some of the known specs say.

no i figured for the price and ability to return it in 30 days i would risk it. I figured it has to be at least comprable to last year if not better as some of the known specs say.


Ya, I hear you this could be the one I pick up too. Might wait to see what the laser DLP's look like.

Good Luck with your new TV.

calm down fellas, seriously this is not a discontinued item. i know a thing or two since i work at best buy and i have access to our inventory so i can put some of your worries to rest. Although the 61A750 did not show a street date which is usual for most of our stock it did have another listing saying we will be getting our major shipments march 30th. Mind you we are NOT a Magnolia store. what is a Magnolia store? they are the steroid version of Best Buy with like 4x the models of tvs so anything over 61 inches they have there. I bought the 61 cuz i know the HT guy and they made an exception for me. Seriously, i had to do some ninja stuff just to get the SKU of an item that we dont even sell officially yet. We will be selling the 61a750 for $2,399 and a 4 year Best Buy PSP (service plan) will cost you $350. I have tested this tv with the following bluray movies using a cheap Dynex hdmi cable. Chicken Little, Harry Potter and the Order of The Phoenix, The Fifth Element Remastered Version. Im kind of new to the whole widescreen TV thing so when watching standard DirecTV (i dont have the HD reciever) i have to switch the screen to 4:3. If you watch the movies from at least 4 feet away you dont seem to notice the grain. Again this isnt that 120hz hdmi that ppl are touting. Its the cheap Best Buy brand cable. In my manual it says PC Resolution 1920 X 1080 @ 60hz. It does a side by side with the 67a750 and it has the same resolution. I went from top to bottom of the manual and i dont know of a way to see what chip its using or anything like that so if anyone knows post it cuz i check this site like 10 times a day.

Someone left a review for the 61a750 over on the Big River. It is a positive review, albeit the first one. I know that your mileage may vary.

She is suing companies selling LED laser diodes, specifically the violet (blue) lasers in HDDVD and BluRay. The Samsung LEDs use three different color LED 'light bulbs' as a light source. Don't worry about it.

Thank you for clearing that up for me. That's good to know.

calm down fellas, seriously this is not a discontinued item. i know a thing or two since i work at best buy and i have access to our inventory so i can put some of your worries to rest. Although the 61A750 did not show a street date which is usual for most of our stock it did have another listing saying we will be getting our major shipments march 30th. Mind you we are NOT a Magnolia store. what is a Magnolia store? they are the steroid version of Best Buy with like 4x the models of tvs so anything over 61 inches they have there. I bought the 61 cuz i know the HT guy and they made an exception for me. Seriously, i had to do some ninja stuff just to get the SKU of an item that we dont even sell officially yet. We will be selling the 61a750 for $2,399 and a 4 year Best Buy PSP (service plan) will cost you $350. I have tested this tv with the following bluray movies using a cheap Dynex hdmi cable. Chicken Little, Harry Potter and the Order of The Phoenix, The Fifth Element Remastered Version. Im kind of new to the whole widescreen TV thing so when watching standard DirecTV (i dont have the HD reciever) i have to switch the screen to 4:3. If you watch the movies from at least 4 feet away you dont seem to notice the grain. Again this isnt that 120hz hdmi that ppl are touting. Its the cheap Best Buy brand cable. In my manual it says PC Resolution 1920 X 1080 @ 60hz. It does a side by side with the 67a750 and it has the same resolution. I went from top to bottom of the manual and i dont know of a way to see what chip its using or anything like that so if anyone knows post it cuz i check this site like 10 times a day.

Thank you. This post had a lot of good info. I especially liked hearing that there was a "bulk" shipping day of March 30th.

I am going so nuts waiting for this TV. I really can hardly wait any longer. I'm getting it no matter what. I just want it to hurry up and be released and then make it to Hawaii.

Does anyone know when the HL67A750 will be out!

i know how you feel. i was going to wait for the 67 but i was too impatient so i got this as soon as i saw it in the warehouse. freakin beautiful. what one of the guys who posted earlier said was true. There was a major truck that came in on Saturday, it was tons of tvs, but from what i gathered it was mostly the new samsung lcd tvs with that candy apple red on it.

calm down fellas, seriously this is not a discontinued item. i know a thing or two since i work at best buy and i have access to our inventory so i can put some of your worries to rest. Although the 61A750 did not show a street date which is usual for most of our stock it did have another listing saying we will be getting our major shipments march 30th. Mind you we are NOT a Magnolia store. what is a Magnolia store? they are the steroid version of Best Buy with like 4x the models of tvs so anything over 61 inches they have there. I bought the 61 cuz i know the HT guy and they made an exception for me. Seriously, i had to do some ninja stuff just to get the SKU of an item that we dont even sell officially yet. We will be selling the 61a750 for $2,399 and a 4 year Best Buy PSP (service plan) will cost you $350. I have tested this tv with the following bluray movies using a cheap Dynex hdmi cable. Chicken Little, Harry Potter and the Order of The Phoenix, The Fifth Element Remastered Version. Im kind of new to the whole widescreen TV thing so when watching standard DirecTV (i dont have the HD reciever) i have to switch the screen to 4:3. If you watch the movies from at least 4 feet away you dont seem to notice the grain. Again this isnt that 120hz hdmi that ppl are touting. Its the cheap Best Buy brand cable. In my manual it says PC Resolution 1920 X 1080 @ 60hz. It does a side by side with the 67a750 and it has the same resolution. I went from top to bottom of the manual and i dont know of a way to see what chip its using or anything like that so if anyone knows post it cuz i check this site like 10 times a day.



This is well appreciated.

Big river now shows the 67 , and only asking a few dollars more than the 61 ! Delayed shipping though , but one hell of a price :)

calm down fellas, seriously this is not a discontinued item. i know a thing or two since i work at best buy and i have access to our inventory so i can put some of your worries to rest. Although the 61A750 did not show a street date which is usual for most of our stock it did have another listing saying we will be getting our major shipments march 30th. Mind you we are NOT a Magnolia store. what is a Magnolia store? they are the steroid version of Best Buy with like 4x the models of tvs so anything over 61 inches they have there. I bought the 61 cuz i know the HT guy and they made an exception for me. Seriously, i had to do some ninja stuff just to get the SKU of an item that we dont even sell officially yet. We will be selling the 61a750 for $2,399 and a 4 year Best Buy PSP (service plan) will cost you $350. I have tested this tv with the following bluray movies using a cheap Dynex hdmi cable. Chicken Little, Harry Potter and the Order of The Phoenix, The Fifth Element Remastered Version. Im kind of new to the whole widescreen TV thing so when watching standard DirecTV (i dont have the HD reciever) i have to switch the screen to 4:3. If you watch the movies from at least 4 feet away you dont seem to notice the grain. Again this isnt that 120hz hdmi that ppl are touting. Its the cheap Best Buy brand cable. In my manual it says PC Resolution 1920 X 1080 @ 60hz. It does a side by side with the 67a750 and it has the same resolution. I went from top to bottom of the manual and i dont know of a way to see what chip its using or anything like that so if anyone knows post it cuz i check this site like 10 times a day.

You work at a BB ??? Not sure what market your in but BBs in the Tampa market sell 73 inch Mitsu's as well as all Samsung DLPs in the main store ....not in Magnolia. Also warranty for any TV costing $2400 cost $450 for 4yrs not $350. Also Magnolia sells many TVs under 61inches , they are LCDs and Plasmas , the only DLPs sold in Magnolia are the diamond series Mitsu's. Not sure if you have ever been to a Magnolia store where you are but ive been to many in my area and they are all as mentioned.

You don't have to do any ninja stuff to find a SKU of a product we don't have in stock yet just look in RSS I assume you know how to use the system as you said you work at BB. As far as the dynex cables go they are not gonna make your picture more or less grainy, cables for the most part are gonna be the same unless you fall into that group of people that think Monster cables are the greatest... Make sure you turn off extra processing etc on the tv itself and do some tweaking of it first to see if the picture improves.

Big river now shows the 67 , and only asking a few dollars more than the 61 ! Delayed shipping though , but one hell of a price :)

I'm having trouble comprehending the size of a 67" diagonal screen. Good think I just bought that 77" wide TV stand from IKEA. :D Might have to go for the 67" over the 61" after all.

I'm having trouble comprehending the size of a 67" diagonal screen. Good think I just bought that 77" wide TV stand from IKEA. :D Might have to go for the 67" over the 61" after all.

Yes id say it woulnt make much sense not to spend an extra buck and a half for the 67 unless space or distance is an issue. Im gonna wait and see if they have a hard date tomorrow as far as when it will ship. Thats a great price for a 67 , even if its the same technology as last years LED. :)

how can i help you guys? any way i can find out a listing of the contrast ratio, on whether it has Dark Chip 4 and what kind of pulldown it has? Id love to help out anyone who has any questions about this television.

could you test the pc connection since it says it can do 1080p in 1920x1080 . just wondering how ell and if much of an issue with overscan

Yes id say it woulnt make much sense not to spend an extra buck and a half for the 67 unless space or distance is an issue. Im gonna wait and see if they have a hard date tomorrow as far as when it will ship. Thats a great price for a 67 , even if its the same technology as last years LED. :)

it is supposed to be 40% brighter atleast :) guess thats why they did the 67inch :)

There's something weird about my tv. It's hard to describe... the picture quality is great, but it seems like the screen itself is made up of a bunch of tiny rainbow colored dots all across. My model is the HLT5087s. The "dots" are fixed in position but glimmer as you move your view around. It can get pretty annoying...

Is this the rainbow effect? I wonder if anyone knows what this is... it would be great if there was a collection of pictures showing what different screen problems look like so I could point it out.

Thanks for any insight on this.

There's something weird about my tv. It's hard to describe... the picture quality is great, but it seems like the screen itself is made up of a bunch of tiny rainbow colored dots all across. My model is the HLT5087s. The "dots" are fixed in position but glimmer as you move your view around. It can get pretty annoying...

Is this the rainbow effect? I wonder if anyone knows what this is... it would be great if there was a collection of pictures showing what different screen problems look like so I could point it out.

Thanks for any insight on this.

Sounds like silk screen effect (SSE). Most rptv sets have this due to the material used for the screen, the purpose of which is usually to make the set brighter and widen the viewing angle.

yeah i dont count the Mitsu's cuz they suck royally. I was at the magnolia store when i checked how much the 4 year plan is for it at normal cost and it said 350. employee discount is 279 for the 4 year plan. at our store we do carry dlp but it maxes out at 61 for samsung and whatever 70+ inch those mitsu's are. the local magnolia store had like 8 dlp sets standing out, alot were the 87s ones. im guessing it was to showcase the stands or something.

You don't have to do any ninja stuff to find a SKU of a product we don't have in stock yet just look in RSS I assume you know how to use the system as you said you work at BB. As far as the dynex cables go they are not gonna make your picture more or less grainy, cables for the most part are gonna be the same unless you fall into that group of people that think Monster cables are the greatest... Make sure you turn off extra processing etc on the tv itself and do some tweaking of it first to see if the picture improves.

i would agree if you know the exact model number, in my case we had just finished our team meeting when one of the guys in inventory went and used features of RSS that i dont mess with as it is not what i use mainly. The Dynex cables as far as i know dont mention if they are 1.3 or not. I could care less if they can do 120hz but if with my discount i can get a 1.3 cable for $8 ill do it.

You work at a BB ??? Not sure what market your in but BBs in the Tampa market sell 73 inch Mitsu's as well as all Samsung DLPs in the main store ....not in Magnolia. Also warranty for any TV costing $2400 cost $450 for 4yrs not $350. Also Magnolia sells many TVs under 61inches , they are LCDs and Plasmas , the only DLPs sold in Magnolia are the diamond series Mitsu's. Not sure if you have ever been to a Magnolia store where you are but ive been to many in my area and they are all as mentioned.

yes i had to go to a Magnolia to buy the stand for it (i went with the BB brand stand, Intuit or some crap like that). And it falls under the DUH category that Magnolia sells tvs under 61 inches. Magnolia BB's have a larger selection of televisions than regular ones. Our store will not be carrying the 67a750 nor will we be getting the diamond Mitsu's because we arent as big as they are. You are correct yet flawed in your pricing. Employees dont pay the 2400 and they also dont pay the 450 you claim or the 350 i claim. Any other BS you would like to call me on? Or would you like to school me in what i have been researching and bugging the HT guys for weeks.

This is quite possible, but do we really know that the 650 sets are LED? I've read the press release several times and it really seems confusing. They only talk about LED specifically with respect to the 750 sets.

I don't really have room for a 61 inch set, which is the smallest 750 made, but I could certainly fit in a 56 inch 650.

Yea, I can't seem to figure if the new 650 series is LED also. I really like Samsung TV's (have one newer 32"LCD and a 4 yr old DLP) and wanted to get an LED set, but can't really go above 50-55" due to the size of my room. I too can not fit anything bigger than 56 inches(if that!).

Yea, I can't seem to figure if the new 650 series is LED also. ...

My statement was made some time ago, and the 650s are now on the Samsung USA website. It doesn't specifically say "color wheel hot lamp" but if they were LED you can be sure Samsung would be crowing about long lamp life like they do on the 2007 LED sets.

the a650's are lamps and color wheels. The a750's are led's.

There is no such thing as a 120Hz HDMI cable, it's just marketing. By in large, a 2 year old unspec'ed $5 cable will carry a 120Hz 1080p signal just as well as those $300 Monster cables over anything but long distances--certainly anything under 8' or so. As I understand it, no consumer video source on the market today actually outputs a 120Hz signal (save maybe ultra high end gaming PC's? I don't follow that scene at all). 120Hz processing is 100% internal to the display. I don't even think the HDMI inputs on todays 120Hz displays (or the 1.3 spec in general?) are even spec'ed for that kind of bandwidth should such a source exist.

I'm on the fence here trying to decide between a more expensive (and last year's technology) 6189 and a cheaper but newer technology (maybe) 61a750. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

the a650's are lamps and color wheels. The a750's are led's.

A750 possible utilized new RGB LED - PT180 PhlatLight instead of PT120 used in 2007 models.

CyberBOMB, may I ask a favor. Is there a chance I can get you to measure how far back from the front of the set you have to go till the width of the set is no more than 46-1/2". I have a built in entertainment center and I am trying to find out how far past the entertainment center will my set stick out. Thanks.

I plan on putting this is a cabinet. Can anyone confirm if the dimensions are true to the information provided? The specs I have are 54.8 x 37.9 x 15.5. Does this height measurement measure from the top of the set to the bottom of the footing, or just to the bottom of the screen?
The size is: 54 3/4" by 37 3/8" by 13 1/2.

I'm on the fence here trying to decide between a more expensive (and last year's technology) 6189 and a cheaper but newer technology (maybe) 61a750. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Looking at both of these units, I'm glad that I waited and got the HL61A750 model. Sure, I could have gotten a huge discount on the 87 one if I wanted but this one seems "nicer".

I see... I researched it a bit and it definitely seems like the problem I have. Ive read that the best way to lighten it is to reduce the contrast. Is there any permanent fix for SSE or is it just an unavoidable con of owning a RP set?

Thanks for the help btw.

I see... I researched it a bit and it definitely seems like the problem I have. Ive read that the best way to lighten it is to reduce the contrast. Is there any permanent fix for SSE or is it just an unavoidable con of owning a RP set?

Thanks for the help btw.

Adjusting contrast and brightness to proper levels will help, but it will never be invisible on a RPTV.

Has anyone seen both the 7 series and 6 series? Any thoughts on the difference visually (since it seems the actual specs of these units are not being released yet).

I'm trying to decide whether to purchase the HL67A750 now or wait to see the HL72A650. I'd prefer the bigger size screen, but are there advantages other than the bulb replacement, in going with the LED?

Of course, one advantage is I would get my TV now, rather than June, which is the date I believe Samsung quoted in January.

Besides no bulb, there is also no spinning color wheel that can eventually fail. My 4.5 year old 61" DLP's color wheel has a really annoying high pitch whine, so I can't wait to replace it.

Has anyone seen both the 7 series and 6 series? Any thoughts on the difference visually (since it seems the actual specs of these units are not being released yet).

I'm trying to decide whether to purchase the HL67A750 now or wait to see the HL72A650. I'd prefer the bigger size screen, but are there advantages other than the bulb replacement, in going with the LED?

Of course, one advantage is I would get my TV now, rather than June, which is the date I believe Samsung quoted in January.

Well I was at Circuit City in NJ and they didn't have any of the new Samsung DLPs on display. Then I went to the PA one and they didn't have anything either. I asked the sales rep to check on the status of the HL61A750 and HL67A750 and he said he had no idea when they would come in, but the entry was in their system.

Has anyone seen both the 7 series and 6 series? Any thoughts on the difference visually (since it seems the actual specs of these units are not being released yet).

I'm trying to decide whether to purchase the HL67A750 now or wait to see the HL72A650. I'd prefer the bigger size screen, but are there advantages other than the bulb replacement, in going with the LED?

Of course, one advantage is I would get my TV now, rather than June, which is the date I believe Samsung quoted in January.
In same boat here 67 or 72.
Better off wait a month for reviews of mysterious Samsung units released and Mitsu may announced their competing new line hopefully in May.
Couldn't wait to compare LED and Laser TV side by side. Few months wait, may prevent years of complains IMHO.

In same boat here 67 or 72.
Better off wait a month for reviews of mysterious Samsung units released and Mitsu may announced their competing new line hopefully in May.
Couldn't wait to compare LED and Laser TV side by side. Few months wait, may prevent years of complains IMHO.

Patience is a virtue, but not one I possess. Although, you are correct, worth it to wait to avoid years of regret.

I can wait...No NFL till fall.

Plus, still a few months warranty left on my HL-N567W.

I can always hope it will blow between now and then, and I get some credit on a new unit...:D