ztkp01: Looking at both of these units, I'm glad that I waited and got the HL61A750 model. Sure, I could have gotten a huge discount on the 87 one if I wanted but this one seems "nicer".


Now that you have had the TV for a few days, how do you like it? How is the picture? Any issues? I am in the same boat as a few other people and trying to decide to go for the older model now or wait for more info on the new model.....

ztkp01: Looking at both of these units, I'm glad that I waited and got the HL61A750 model. Sure, I could have gotten a huge discount on the 87 one if I wanted but this one seems "nicer".


Now that you have had the TV for a few days, how do you like it? How is the picture? Any issues? I am in the same boat as a few other people and trying to decide to go for the older model now or wait for more info on the new model.....

I'm very happy with this unit. If I had budget concerns, I'd probably consider the older unit based upon the $400-500 savings but only if budget was an issue.

I'm very happy with this unit. If I had budget concerns, I'd probably consider the older unit based upon the $400-500 savings but only if budget was an issue.

Great! I'm going to spring for the 67" TV, have you noticed any bowing, or SSE? How are the black levels, and especially the viewing angles? I'm going to have a sofa and love seat soon in my house around the TV and the loveseat I hope will not be an issue with it's position.

Yeah, that is the dilemma.....I wonder how long before it would be discounted on the Big River site.....anyone knwo anything about the highdefinitionstore.com? They have the TV for less but it's on back order.....

Samsung now lists the HL61A750 on its site, under the TV/DLP list. Contrast: 10000:1. Size: 54.8" x 37.8" x 14.4"

Edit: Also lists size "with foot" as 54.8" x 37.8" x 15.4". I don't understand the foot, what it is or whether it's optional.

It doesn't clarify the DLP chip, just says "Next Generation DLP® Chips from Texas Instruments".

Final edit: There isn't anything in these claims that is any different from the HLT6189.

I didn't see any mention of HDMI v1.3. If it doesn't have this, then that's good news in a way because I will get the current ES sony receiver that doesn't specify HDMI v1.3 either, for an excellent price.

^

Pretty much tells you all you need to know. Tech specs are not updated in the PDF but it does say this:

Experience the greatest thrills of full 1080p
HD. Energy-efficient second-generation LEDbased
DLP® technology offers a picture that’s
up to 40% brighter than lamp-based models.

Huh? So they are not saying the sets are 40% brighter than last years LED, they are comparing this to lamps. Anyone who has compared a lamp model vs a LED knows this isnt true so basically.. this is last years set.

So no HDMI 1.3 then, right? I'm sure if it supported it, it would mention it.

Also, I don't see mention of the 120hz refresh rate. Can someone confirm this?

So no HDMI 1.3 then, right? I'm sure if it supported it, it would mention it.

Also, I don't see mention of the 120hz refresh rate. Can someone confirm this?

I know on the Circuit C site it says 120hz refresh rate......

On Samsung's site it says "It displays 40% brighter than traditional HDTVs with a crisp, ..." which does not state more than last year's model (I was also under the impression it was). Kinda disappointing. Although I thought I read the 2nd gen LED engine was an improvement on this TV somewhere.

EDIT: Looking at the LCD TVs on Sammy's website, they have a box that says "HDMI 1.3" under the general info, while the DLP TVs do not. I'm going with the 2007 year receiver that I planned to for a great price.

The only way we are getting any real info on which darkchip is in there is If an owner goes into the service menu and looks.

Don't be so fast to make snap judgements. Although HDMI 1.3 is probably not very important in the real world, it looks like this TV does support it. It mentions in the manual xvYCC support, so that is an HDMI 1.3 feature.

So no HDMI 1.3 then, right? I'm sure if it supported it, it would mention it.

Also, I don't see mention of the 120hz refresh rate. Can someone confirm this?

To add to the HDMI 1.3a thing:

(Taken from the first post in this thread, Samsung Marketing etc.)

"Adding to the functionality of our Series 7 DLP TVs is Simplay HDMI compliance, a new Remote with specially designed hot keys, and a new simplified user interface and menu system. The result of these enhancements enables control over all HDMI-CEC-compatible A/V devices for a simplified total system convenience experience."


From wikipedia about HDMI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#HDMI_and_high-definition_optical_media_players


"Updated list of CEC commands*** No No No 1.3a+"

*** = Large number of additions and clarifications for CEC commands. One addition is CEC command allowing for volume control of an AV receiver."


I'm going to assume if they are trying to market control over all your compatible A/V devices that it would have to support the 1.3a instruction set.


EDIT: Also what mike_pro said about xvYCC. :D

The only way we are getting any real info on which darkchip is in there is If an owner goes into the service menu and looks.
Tell me how and I'll check it out.

Samsung now lists the HL61A750 on its site, under the TV/DLP list. Contrast: 10000:1. Size: 54.8" x 37.8" x 14.4"

Edit: Also lists size "with foot" as 54.8" x 37.8" x 15.4". I don't understand the foot, what it is or whether it's optional.

It doesn't clarify the DLP chip, just says "Next Generation DLP® Chips from Texas Instruments".

Final edit: There isn't anything in these claims that is any different from the HLT6189.
FYI - my measured depth was less than this but it was probably the least exact measurement that I did. Having said that, I don't think I was this far off (i.e. 1-2 inches).

Samsung now lists the HL61A750 on its site, under the TV/DLP list. ...

Would treat this with a grain of salt. The first thing I noticed is a big fat discrepancy. They say it has no component inputs, but the manual says two, and shows a diagram. Very sloppy. Wonder what else is wrong.

For what it is worth, I went into the BB in Folsom, CA on Saturday.

I asked if they had the new LED Samsung, and the Blue Droid pointed to a... flat panel.

I said "No, I'm talking about the new LED DLP, the 750 series".

Another Droid spoke up that they've been discontinued, and BB won't be carrying them. I exclaimed my frustration at his lack of knowledge since, as I said, "they are only just starting to hit the stores this WEEK - they're not discontinued, and they are brand new 2008 models".

He again claimed Samsung "has exited the RPTV market". I said, "No, that was SONY."

He kept insisting he's right.

I finally said "Other Best Buy's have them. Can't you simply say you don't have them, and not make up lies? Can you show me the PRESS RELEASE that informs the world that Samsung has left the RPTV market?"

"No, but they have".

I left.

For what it is worth, I went into the BB in Folsom, CA on Saturday.

I asked if they had the new LED Samsung, and the Blue Droid pointed to a... flat panel.

I said "No, I'm talking about the new LED DLP, the 750 series".

Another Droid spoke up that they've been discontinued, and BB won't be carrying them. I exclaimed my frustration at his lack of knowledge since, as I said, "they are only just starting to hit the stores this WEEK - they're not discontinued, and they are brand new 2008 models".

He again claimed Samsung "has exited the RPTV market". I said, "No, that was SONY."

He kept insisting he's right.

I finally said "Other Best Buy's have them. Can't you simply say you don't have them, and not make up lies? Can you show me the PRESS RELEASE that informs the world that Samsung has left the RPTV market?"

"No, but they have".

I left.


Don't you feel enlightened when you speak to some of the "knowledgeable" sales folk there. Guess they don't read the avsforums as much as people here.

So is the official rollout for the 67" model in June, or possibly earlier?

So is the official rollout for the 67" model in June, or possibly earlier?

June?? WTF where did u hear that?

Well, to access the service menu on previous sets, you did it this way:

- Make sure the TV is off.
- Then, on the TV remote press these buttons, one after the other:
- Mute, 1, 8, 2, Power

The TV should come on in service mode. To exit service mode, just turn the TV off and wait a few seconds before turning it on.


Do this and use the arrow keys to go through the various screens. Take pictures of each of the screens and post them, and I'm sure someone here will be able to interpret.

Tell me how and I'll check it out.

June?? WTF where did u hear that?

The first post in this thread...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12715877#post12715877

Not sure if newer information has come in about this.

June?? WTF where did u hear that?

FWIW, Big River says usually ships in 1 to 2 months.

Same for the HL72A650.

I thought it was much sooner somewhere .... Maybe I'll just get the 61" then. At least I'll have the stand exactly match the width of the TV.

Well, to access the service menu on previous sets, you did it this way:

- Make sure the TV is off.
- Then, on the TV remote press these buttons, one after the other:
- Mute, 1, 8, 2, Power

The TV should come on in service mode. To exit service mode, just turn the TV off and wait a few seconds before turning it on.


Do this and use the arrow keys to go through the various screens. Take pictures of each of the screens and post them, and I'm sure someone here will be able to interpret.



If anyone remembers where to look up the DC number can anyone direct him?

LOL @ Blue Droid!

I'm seriously considering the 67A750 pre-order thru Big River for their advertized current price, and the free shipping just makes it even more of a steal - has anyone else reserved one?

Also, I'm 99.99% sure on this but can someone else confirm - the river only charges your CC when the item SHIPS, not ordered, correct? I think I had that issue before with some computer parts being delayed a few weeks, just want to make sure!

... the river only charges your CC when the item SHIPS, not ordered, correct?

I can verify that they charge when SHIP, not preorder, based on the fact I was on preorder for a couple of weeks on the HL61A750. The charge appeared a couple of days after they came in stock and my order was in shipment prep.

I'm seriously considering the 67A750 pre-order thru Big River for their advertized current price, and the free shipping just makes it even more of a steal - has anyone else reserved one?

IMHO, I wouldn't consider that price a "steal". I would wait for other stores to stock the 67" before determining what a good deal is for that set.

IMHO, I wouldn't consider that price a "steal". I would wait for other stores to stock the 67" before determining what a good deal is for that set.

I hear ya, that's why it's a crap shoot...

100% chance of locking in "X" price to-the-doorstep, which will be honored... or

50% chance I cheer while getting a TTD lower price in a month vs
50% chance I cry while the TTD price goes higher

Just picked up the 61" 750 at Circuit City a few hours ago. Used R8ALNAJAD9 code via online order which knocked off 10% of the price. Picked it up myself. So far tested with PS3 and it automatically set it for 24hz playback for "The Wild" Blu-ray movie. I replaced and older Samsung HLR6168, which I had repaired for the shadow problem and the bulb was getting very dim with 7100 hours on it. Hopefully Samsung has worked most of the bugs out of these sets by this time, including last years LED set problems.

The A750 didn't like my original Xbox 360 at 1080P via component cables, 1080i works and looks fine though.

Big River is sold out of the 61" Series 7. They are only available on the site thru a store called DataVision Computer Video.

Just picked up the 61" 750 at Circuit City a few hours ago. Used R8ALNAJAD9 code via online order which knocked off 10% of the price. Picked it up myself. So far tested with PS3 and it automatically set it for 24hz playback for "The Wild" Blu-ray movie. I replaced and older Samsung HLR6168, which I had repaired for the shadow problem and the bulb was getting very dim with 7100 hours on it. Hopefully Samsung has worked most of the bugs out of these sets by this time, including last years LED set problems.


How does it seem as far as brightness?

Well, to access the service menu on previous sets, you did it this way:

- Make sure the TV is off.
- Then, on the TV remote press these buttons, one after the other:
- Mute, 1, 8, 2, Power

The TV should come on in service mode. To exit service mode, just turn the TV off and wait a few seconds before turning it on.


Do this and use the arrow keys to go through the various screens. Take pictures of each of the screens and post them, and I'm sure someone here will be able to interpret.
Ok, this gets me to the service level... not sure what I'm looking for but I'll check more later tonight. FYI - it did indicate that it was HDMI 1.3.

I hear ya, that's why it's a crap shoot...

100% chance of locking in "X" price to-the-doorstep, which will be honored... or

50% chance I cheer while getting a TTD lower price in a month vs
50% chance I cry while the TTD price goes higher

Is there an option 3: pre-order, and then monitor ship dates and prices. Cancel if pre-order price is high? Probably a good amount of work, but safer. Don't know if this is even possible.

Hmm, why does my big river search for 67A750 not return this unit for me like everybody else here?

Hmm, why does my big river search for 67A750 not return this unit for me like everybody else here?

hl67a750

Besides no bulb, there is also no spinning color wheel that can eventually fail. My 4.5 year old 61" DLP's color wheel has a really annoying high pitch whine, so I can't wait to replace it.

I have a HLM with HLN guts and had the Colorwheel replaced about a year ago (20000+ hours on it and it shattered) and the new one sounds like the old one because the motor is not replaced but just the wheel itself. Just a fyi.


Jim

Hmm, why does my big river search for 67A750 not return this unit for me like everybody else here?

Because I pre-ordered the last one of their allotment. Sorry dude. :D


Just kidding... It came up when searching for the HL67A750A for me.

Yeah that did it, thanks ND.

Weird that you have to put the search just so.

What a hoot, from big river specs:

Product Dimensions: 114 pounds
Shipping Weight: 87 pounds

:eek:

How does it seem as far as brightness?

Brightness seems as good as my HLR was before the bulb dimmed. Off center seems a little dimmer on the A750. Also the picture seems more detailed on the A750 than my HLR was looking lately. It's kind of like getting new eyeglass lenses.

Anybody have this set in a windowed room...how's the glare on this screen? The ad shot scares me a bit...one of the biggest selling points for me on my HLN was anti-glare.

Is your set in a windowed room...how's the glare on this screen? The ad shot scares me a bit...

Had my blinds halfway so I didn't happen to notice a difference in glare.

I no longer have black crush with DVDs on my PS3 compared to my old set. I wonder why my 360 doesn't work correctly at 1080p over component? Maybe its time to return it at gamestop and pickup a new HDMI one.

I no longer have black crush with DVDs on my PS3 compared to my old set. I wonder why my 360 doesn't work correctly at 1080p over component? Maybe its time to return it at gamestop and pickup a new HDMI one.

Why can't you just send it 1080i over component and let the tv convert it to 1080P? If the set deinterlaces correctly you won't be losing anything.

I no longer have black crush with DVDs on my PS3 compared to my old set. I wonder why my 360 doesn't work correctly at 1080p over component? Maybe its time to return it at gamestop and pickup a new HDMI one.

Is 1080P just not selectable, as in greyed out?

It is mostly only newer games that are 1080P anyways.

Is your XBox fully updated(stupid question)?

I have noticed on some TVs that the component inputs in particular do not allow 1080P. I do know that older samsung models did allow it.

Is 1080P just not selectable, as in greyed out?

It is mostly only newer games that are 1080P anyways.

Is your XBox fully updated(stupid question)?

I have noticed on some TVs that the component inputs in particular do not allow 1080P. I do know that older samsung models did allow it.

That's been one of the staples of Samsung's tvs and why they are so popular with the gamer crowd, allowing 1080p over component.

Moss, what do you mean when you say your 360 doesn't work properly at 1080p over component? Does the tv not display a signal? Is the picture distorted somehow?

Big river has the 72" listed at $3k

Big river has the 72" listed at $3k

Noticed that too. Starting off cheaper than what the HL-T7288W is going for at many places right now.

proud owner of 61a750. just cant believe i let them con me into buying a monster cable, sending it back tomorrow. anyone know yet about what DC is in it or if it is hdmi 1.3. you would think this info should be easy to find

People posted links about getting into the service menu.

When we get one of these in our store on display, I will for sure be going into the service menu and taking pictures of no has by then.

Should be soon.

That's been one of the staples of Samsung's tvs and why they are so popular with the gamer crowd, allowing 1080p over component.

Moss, what do you mean when you say your 360 doesn't work properly at 1080p over component? Does the tv not display a signal? Is the picture distorted somehow?

The Xbox is full updated and works fine at 1080i. 1080p works with the first blade, then when I move to the next blade it freezes the screen without locking up the box, as if the timing is just off. I'm using it 1080i now, I just brought it up because it should work. PS3 works great at 1080p but that is HDMI.

Can someone answer DC4 question already?

proud owner of 61a750. just cant believe i let them con me into buying a monster cable, sending it back tomorrow. anyone know yet about what DC is in it or if it is hdmi 1.3. you would think this info should be easy to find

ztkp01 went into the service menu yesterday and it listed HDMI 1.3 there. No word on DC4 yet.

OK, so here are my remaining / answered questions on the 750 LED series:

1) HDMI 1.3 Support: YES (not according to website, but TV service menu itself)
2) Dark Chip 4: ???
3) Overscan Fix (like previous Samsung TVs): ???
4) 1080p Support via Component: ???

Can someone answer DC4 question already?
OK, so here are my remaining / answered questions on the 750 LED series:

1) HDMI 1.3 Support: YES (not according to website, but TV service menu itself)
2) Dark Chip 4: ???
3) Overscan Fix (like previous Samsung TVs): ???
4) 1080p Support via Component: ???

The official pdf on the samsung site isn't showing that it has DC4 :(
It's probably a safe bet that it doesn't or else they would be bragging about it.

The pdf does show that it supports 1080p via component but nobody has confirmed that yet.

The official pdf on the samsung site isn't showing that it has DC4 :(
It's probably a safe bet that it doesn't or else they would be bragging about it.

The pdf does show that it supports 1080p via component but nobody has confirmed that yet.

Yea but the PDF doesn't say it supports HDMI 1.3 either and apparently it does (according to service menu reports in this thread), so take Samsung's info with a grain of salt.

The official pdf on the samsung site isn't showing that it has DC4 :(
It's probably a safe bet that it doesn't or else they would be bragging about it.

The pdf does show that it supports 1080p via component but nobody has confirmed that yet.


See post #618 to see why the DC4 may not be bragged about.

It is weird....I would probably pull the trigger on the 61a750 right now if I just knew more info.....the fact there is either no info or conflicting info everywhere and that Samsung won't confirm anything is so strange to me....I really want to think this is a great TV but Samsung is sure making it hard and possibly losing alot of business by being so sketchy.....All I know is if/when I buy I am sure as heck buying an extended warranty!

It is weird....I would probably pull the trigger on the 61a750 right now if I just knew more info.....the fact there is either no info or conflicting info everywhere and that Samsung won't confirm anything is so strange to me....I really want to think this is a great TV but Samsung is sure making it hard and possibly losing alot of business by being so sketchy.....All I know is if/when I buy I am sure as heck buying an extended warranty!
Maybe they are simply trying not to out date last years model too quickly. My guess iis that there are still allot of HL-TXXXXS still around. And since these new ones seem to be starting out so cheap, maybe they don't want to admit yet that the new TVs are superior yet. Just my hopeful observation. :)

Maybe they are simply trying not to out date last years model too quickly. My guess iis that there are still allot of HL-TXXXXS still around. And since these new ones seem to be starting out so cheap, maybe they don't want to admit yet that the new TVs are superior yet. Just my hopeful observation. :)

Yes I was thinking the same thing ... that combined Sony left the RPTV market so Sammy may be more confident in gaining marketshare from previous Sony buyers, so they aren't as aggressive in advertising right now. Looks like their line of DLP TVs will be dropping from, what, 15 different models to 6? The less models they have to inventory, engineer, etc., the cheaper they can make them (potentially).

Good points, I am going be be optimistic and believe that! Really though, even if they are basically the same as last years models but withOUT the bowing issues fixed then I would be happy enough. It will be my first HD TV purchase so I will be easy to please....haha

The Series 6 is now on the Best Buy website. CR is listed as 2500:1.

Geez people, relax! I know people are really excited, but take a breath. You can pretty much be guaranteed that it will be spec'd at least as good, if not better than last years model. This TV is almost certainly an improvement over last years model. That's how electronics works. It's not good business for them to bring out an inferior TV, especially in such a competitive market. We already know they have been advertising improved (brighter) LED's over last years model. We know it has HDMI 1.3. It is not unusual that they aren't saying if it has Darkchip 4, because they haven't advertised what DLP chip model the sets have used in years, (apparently per TI's requirement). It's also not unusual for the manuals to be wrong or incomplete on specs or boilerplate info. Heck, in my manual I had all kinds of warnings about burn in, and we all know that's not possible with DLP. The manual tech writing department has a rather big disconnect from the engineering specs, and this is not just the case for Samsung.

None of this is at all weird or unusual, and, no, Samsung is not loosing tons of business because of this. Now there is always the case that there may be some sort of fault or design flaw in any new product. Either wait for more competent reviews to come out (no offense meant to any of the early purchasers/reviewers here), and for the TV to actually have some use time and see what develops. Or take your chances, and buy it from someplace that you can return it if you discover that the set is not for you.


Chill pill officially delivered!

The Series 6 is now on the Best Buy website. CR is listed as 2500:1.

Weird that the 61A650 is the same price as the 61a750......

Just picked up the 61" 750 at Circuit City a few hours ago. Used R8ALNAJAD9 code via online order which knocked off 10% of the price. Picked it up myself. So far tested with PS3 and it automatically set it for 24hz playback for "The Wild" Blu-ray movie. I replaced and older Samsung HLR6168, which I had repaired for the shadow problem and the bulb was getting very dim with 7100 hours on it. Hopefully Samsung has worked most of the bugs out of these sets by this time, including last years LED set problems.

I currently own a HLR6168. The set has been flawless for me. Even though you had problems with yours, It would be great if you could compare the two sets.

Thanks,

John

Weird that the 61A650 is the same price as the 61a750......


That cant be right. They must be getting that from the Samsung website. How exactly do they go backwards especially for the bulb set.

>I wonder why my 360 doesn't work correctly at 1080p over component?
>Maybe its time to return it at gamestop and pickup a new HDMI one.
From Circuit City
Inputs: Using the 3 available HDMI inputs, you can experience high definition audio and video up to 1080p, the highest possible resolution available. The 2 component video inputs can be used for video resolution up to 1080i. Also available are 2 S-video inputs, 2 composite video inputs, 1 PC input, and 1 RF input.

"GASP"

No more 1080p over component? What is going on with these sets?

www.monoprice.com has cheap 1.3 hdmi cables if you want to pull the trigger on one. and not get raped by the prices of monster or rocketfish. to me the major selling point was them fixing the flimsy bezel

"GASP"

No more 1080p over component? What is going on with these sets?
I wonder if you can use the Xbox 360 VGA adapter into the PC input for 1080p. Anyone able to try?

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_cd=HL61A750A1FXZA

Contrast ratio is listed as: 10,000:1
CinePure 120HZ Color Engine (2nd year of evolution 40% more color...
Next Generation DLP Chips from TI ( no mention of DC4)

I hope the PC input (or any) has the overscan compensation fix. I might use this TV as an HTPC monitor in the near future.

Can someone with the 61" 750 LED TV confirm this in the manual or actual TV menu?

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_cd=HL61A750A1FXZA

Contrast ratio is listed as: 10,000:1
CinePure 120HZ Color Engine (2nd year of evolution 40% more color...
Next Generation DLP Chips from TI ( no mention of DC4)

Also, saw this PDF brochure....it has two pages and lot's of Spec's...not sure if it was up before....

http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/26/hl61a750a1fxza/hl61a750_spec.pdf

I was about to post that too:

http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/26/hl61a750a1fxza/hl61a750_spec.pdf

Note the PDF also says 1080p over component, contrary to what someone else posted here.

How does the 120hz thing work, if it says 24hz over 1080p?? I know for sure that Sony's last 60" LCD RPTV had the 120hz and looking at it at the store ... motion was very fluid which I found pleasing. Are all resolutions 120hz?

Ok, this is getting weird now. Samsung has updated both the 6 and 7 series spec sheets (PDF). I know because I have the old ones on my PC. They updates the Specifications section but eliminated the Video portion settings such as contrast ratio, pixel count ets. Now why update it, but omit those items?

Also, did anyone else notice they have different names for the Light Engines between the 6 and 7 series?

6 series:
Cinema Smooth™ 120Hz Light Engine
Samsung is the worldwide leader in creating
light engines that harness DLP® HDTV
technology from Texas Instruments.
Samsung’s Cinema Smooth light engine
brings together the right optics, electronic
circuitry and replaceable light source to
create a brilliant picture that’s more lifelike
and much closer to film. In its latest evolution,
Samsung’s Cinema Smooth light
engine delivers crisp, 1080p High Definition
resolution with high contrast and brightness,
defined edges and sharp detail.


Next Generation DLP® Chips from
Texas Instruments Samsung employs
a Texas Instruments DLP® chip that is
comprised of millions of microscopic
mirrors. The DLP® chip is faster than any
other HDTV technology, with the mirrors
switching on & off 15,000 times a second
to deliver a razor-sharp picture for fast
moving images. When combined with
Samsung’s new Cinema Smooth 120Hz
light engine, the result is a crisp, bright
picture with deep, rich colors that’s closer
to film.

7 series:
CinemaPure™ 120Hz Color Engine
Samsung is the worldwide leader in creating
light engines that harness DLP HDTV
technology from Texas Instruments.
Samsung’s CinemaPure™ 120Hz Color
Engine brings together the right optics,
electronic circuitry and replaceable light
source to create a brilliant picture that’s
more lifelike and much closer to film. In its
second year of evolution, Samsung’s
CinemaPure™ 120Hz Color Engine displays
40% more color than traditional
HDTVs, delivers crisp 1080p High
Definition resolution with high contrast and
brightness, defined edges and sharp detail.


LED (Light Emitting Diode) for state-ofthe-
art color and long life performance.
LED replaces arc lamp & color wheel and
realizes beautiful color
– Samsung LED DLP TVs eliminate the
need to replace the consumable lamp
every few years, with less impact on
the environment and lowers the cost of
ownership.
– Ultra-Wide Color Gamut exceeds
NTSC defined color space.
– More energy efficient than similar sized
flat panel displays saves power and
lower cost of ownership.
– Ultra quiet operation.


Next Generation DLP® Chips from
Texas Instruments Samsung employs a
Texas Instruments DLP® chip that is
comprised of millions of microscopic
mirrors. The DLP® chip is faster than any
other HDTV technology, with the mirrors
switching on & off 15,000 times a second
to deliver a razor-sharp picture for fast
moving images. When combined with
Samsung’s new Cinema Smooth light
engine, the result is a crisp, bright picture
with deep, rich colors that’s closer to film.

OK, for what it's worth, I just got off the phone with a Samsung level 2 product specialist and he confirmed that the HL61A750 has the TI DC4.

I sent Samsung's customer support an e-mail from their web site a few days ago and asked what DC the HL61A750 was built with. Needless to say I just got a very stupid response that's not worth repeating.

I called Sammy customer service today and asked the rep the question. Again, needless to say he didn't have a clue what I was talking about but placed me on hold. He came back and gave me a reference number and bumped me upstairs. The 2nd rep at least knew what I was talking about but said he couldn't answer the question as it isn't contained in the regular documentation. He said he was bumping me to corporate, product specialists. This 3rd rep named Daniel asked me to hold and within 2 minutes came back and said the A750 model line contains the TI DC4. I asked why it isn't listed in any of the documentation and he said that it's because of an agreement with the manufacturer, TI.

BTW, I just got my shipping confirmation from Crutchfield that my 61A750 is on the way!!!!:D

OK, for what it's worth, I just got off the phone with a Samsung level 2 product specialist and he confirmed that the HL61A750 has the TI DC4.

I sent Samsung's customer support an e-mail from their web site a few days ago and asked what DC the HL61A750 was built with. Needless to say I just got a very stupid response that's not worth repeating.

I called Sammy customer service today and asked the rep the question. Again, needless to say he didn't have a clue what I was talking about but placed me on hold. He came back and gave me a reference number and bumped me upstairs. The 2nd rep at least knew what I was talking about but said he couldn't answer the question as it isn't contained in the regular documentation. He said he was bumping me to corporate, product specialists. This 3rd rep named Daniel asked me to hold and within 2 minutes came back and said the A750 model line contains the TI DC4. I asked why it isn't listed in any of the documentation and he said that it's because of an agreement with the manufacturer, TI.

BTW, I just got my shipping confirmation from Crutchfield that my 61A750 is on the way!!!!:D

Same here! Crutchfield got them in early and mine should be shipping out today as well. Awesome news on the DC4! This TV is gonna be pretty sweet. :D

Gotta love the free TV stand from Crutchfield too :cool:

I don't see it on the Crutchfield site......

I don't see it on the Crutchfield site......

It won't come up during a search yet. However, if you speak to one of the Live Chat guys they can give you a link to a custom shopping cart with the TV already in it (that's how I got it), or you can order by phone.

Make sure they give you the free TV stand :D

Awesome!!
Next gen = DC4 then.
Thanks!



OK, for what it's worth, I just got off the phone with a Samsung level 2 product specialist and he confirmed that the HL61A750 has the TI DC4.

I sent Samsung's customer support an e-mail from their web site a few days ago and asked what DC the HL61A750 was built with. Needless to say I just got a very stupid response that's not worth repeating.

I called Sammy customer service today and asked the rep the question. Again, needless to say he didn't have a clue what I was talking about but placed me on hold. He came back and gave me a reference number and bumped me upstairs. The 2nd rep at least knew what I was talking about but said he couldn't answer the question as it isn't contained in the regular documentation. He said he was bumping me to corporate, product specialists. This 3rd rep named Daniel asked me to hold and within 2 minutes came back and said the A750 model line contains the TI DC4. I asked why it isn't listed in any of the documentation and he said that it's because of an agreement with the manufacturer, TI.

BTW, I just got my shipping confirmation from Crutchfield that my 61A750 is on the way!!!!:D

How is crutchfield price?

It won't come up during a search yet. However, if you speak to one of the Live Chat guys they can give you a link to a custom shopping cart with the TV already in it (that's how I got it), or you can order by phone.

Make sure they give you the free TV stand :D

"GASP"

No more 1080p over component? What is going on with these sets?

According to page 28 of the manual it should do 1080p over component. I think it's just a timing issue between my Xbox and the tv. According to the manual VGA should work at 1080p(it also works on my hlr6168.

I wonder how many people are buying the extened warranty. I didn't buy one for this tv however I bought it for the previous hlr6168(it was $3700 new). I imagine this tv wont have a shadow problem and appears to have the 2007 LED's problems fixed. Hopefully if it works for the first year it should last for a few since it doesn't have moving parts.

Question for anyone that actually has a 61a750 - does the set have PiP/PoP/Split Screen?

Question for anyone that actually has a 61a750 - does the set have PiP/PoP/Split Screen?

Just tried it and it appears to do all PiP/PoP/Split Screen.
But only appears to use the cable/ant for the PiP. I don't see a way to change the source.

Just tried it and it appears to do all PiP/PoP/Split Screen.
But only appears to use the cable/ant for the PiP. I don't see a way to change the source.

Feel like posting some pics??? :)

Thanks moss312.

Now I'm just waiting for it to be on display locally so I can check out the viewing angles.

Just tried it and it appears to do all PiP/PoP/Split Screen.
But only appears to use the cable/ant for the PiP. I don't see a way to change the source.
I don't have any devices that are supported with the PIP so I can't comment much. However, it doesn't do cable/antenna to cable/antenna PIP which is what I would probably want to do mostly. I believe that it can do s-video, HDMI, and VGA inputs but I don't remember the others.

moss312 or any other owner, how does the SSE compare to last years LED models? I'm wondering if the increased light output they are touting has allowed them to use a lower gain screen to minimize that effect.

I would appreciate if somebody could watch a HD hockey game with the set NOT in vivid mode and relay their observations as to the SSE on the set.

Oh, one more thing HOW ABOUT SOME PICS PLEASE:). I also would like to see how well the sets handle large amounts of ambient light and then also the black level in a darkened room setting.

Ok, had to bite on this one from CC with the 10% off coupon that expires today and the 18 months no payment financing. If I don't like it it will be fairly simple to take back. My "HLM with HLN guts" (like another poster here I like that description) is out of extended warranty this month, has had some goofy glitches lately (that luckily have all gone away) but if I can avoid buying another bulb this year it is worth getting the TV early rather than waiting for the end of year sales.
Scheduled to be delivered Friday, if it really shows up Friday, I'll be here with (hopefully) pics and answers to questions.
Thanks erock1 for getting an answer from Sammy on the DC4, I guess that put me over the edge.

Still would like confirmation on the contrast level of the 6 series...

So, what are the advantages of DC4 anyway. All we are being told right now is 40% increased brightness. I beleive this is from the new LEDs and not the DC4. I thought DC4 was going to improve contrast ratio. Are they claiming an increase here? Are we seeing (or should expect to see) better blacks, increased shadow detail?

If they have fixed geometry issues in this TV, and not introduced any new problems, than this is the year I buy. I have been following these threads since the HL-R models.

Thanks erock1 for getting an answer from Sammy on the DC4, I guess that put me over the edge.

You're welcome turls but remember, I did say, "for what it's worth". Even though I bit too, I'll believe it when I see it in the service menu;)

I bit on this one too- got the a61750...couldn't resist the 10%coupon from CC. Just have to get a friend to help me carry it.

Can anyone post some pics of there new a61750? Please!!!

You're welcome turls but remember, I did say, "for what it's worth". Even though I bit too, I'll believe it when I see it in the service menu;)

Hence the purchase from CC so I can take it back easily if I feel differently in a few weeks ;) Its going to blow away the contrast ratio on my current 1st gen AVS Powerbuy set, so that isn't a deal killer anyway.

I have to say I am very interested in this TV. I have a Toshiba 62mx196 right now and maybe ready to upgrade soon!:D did i hear DC4!? maybe real soon! a few things i am thinking of though: how close is the color temp to 6500K out of the box, will you be able to adjust each color(tint hue sat) or just a glabal adjustment and last years models had a hot spot(darker in the corners) has this been fixed? oh and what is the listed contrast ratio.:)

How is crutchfield price?

Ditto that! What's the price like from Crutchfield on the 61A750? Although, I think I might hold out for the 67". Guess I'll have to start bugging live help in a few weeks for the 67". :D

Did the same as Turis using the 10% off coupon. Set will be replacing a HLS5687W set that has a horrible smudge problem, but would cost me $700.00 to repair. I will definitely buy the extended warranty with this set. I was hoping I would be given the chance during checkout so I could use the 18 month interest free on the warranty as well. Probably will not be able to take delivery until next week, but I will call in the morning, and maybe they can deliver it this Friday. I wonder how many hours should be on this set before considering getting it calibrated? Eliab w/ Avacal will be in my area in mid-April, but I may not have enough break in time on the set.

Ordered the HL61A750 through Crutchfield just a couple of hours ago. I was considering CC but I believe I got a better deal with Crutchfield due to no tax and the free stand. I don't expect delivery until early next week but will post pics if no one else has done so by then.

Thanks to those of you who took the time to make numerous calls to Samsung for more detailed specs. Will post pics once its delivered in case no one else has done so by then.

BTW, any word on an owner's thread? I might have questions once I get it set up.

Does anyone know anything about thehighdefinitionstore.com? They are an authorized dealer and have the TV as well, but I know nothing about them......

http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/tvs/samsung-hl61a750-dlptv-423.html

Question to owners please:
This is important to me in regards to SPLIT screen. Can you tune a ATSC HDTV channels and split that with a HDMI HDTV source? Can you change the audio to either one?

THANKS!

Where was it found that these incorporated the DC4 chip?
Or is it just speculation?

So, what are the advantages of DC4 anyway.



A completely superior picture. If you had owned a DC3 Sammy and saw a DC4 sammy, you would realize it immediately.
Better colour, deeper blacks, etc.

I dont care what Samsung is saying, they are half clueless anyway. Until someone who can get around the service menu confirms this then you have to think its a DC3.

Does anyone know anything about thehighdefinitionstore.com? They are an authorized dealer and have the TV as well, but I know nothing about them......

http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/tvs/samsung-hl61a750-dlptv-423.html

Lousy return policy as in there isnt any. Once delivered you have to deal with Samsung.

My HL61A750 occasionally makes an electric pop noise I never heard with my HLR6168. Does anyone know what the noise is? I don't hear it to often. I think I read in the 2007 LED thread about someone having it.

Thinking of getting the HL50A650 now. Does anyone have thoughts on whether it will be worth the price difference, given that the 50s from last year are cheaper right now? The listed 2500:1 CR on the site is scaring me a bit. Would they really regress?

Its hard to say whats going on with the 6 series sets. That too is the one I am interested in except in the 61. No way though do I get a tv with that low a contrast ratio. I have made repeated calls to Samsung and they have nothing on the contrast ratio.

It is very frustrating.

jhferry

if you don't mind, check your private messages.....question on having to deal with Samsung for warranty or other retailer....

Does anyone know anything about thehighdefinitionstore.com? They are an authorized dealer and have the TV as well, but I know nothing about them......

http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/tvs/samsung-hl61a750-dlptv-423.html

They have a good write-up in The Home Theater Magazine.
jhferry says; Lousy return policy as in there isn't any. Once delivered you have to deal with Samsung.

I am thinking more positive, If it is broke when delivered I will refuse delivery. Otherwise, I will deal with Samsung if a problem develops. Samsung has an authorized repair shop 20 minutes from my home.

I did their pre order thing Mar. 21st, I called them today and asked when my order might be shipped? They told me Probably Mar. 31 or April 1st,

From Samsung's website:

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_cd=HL61A750A1FXZA

The 10,000:1 contrast ratio spec. would indicate this is definitely not DC4. Or if it is DC4 the features are not being taken advantage of. I'm disappointed...

Just pulled the trigger on a HL61A750 through Crutchfield just a few minutes ago. I originally wanted to order a HL-T6189S a month ago, but procrastination may have worked in my favor this time. I was considering the 10% off deal with CC, but when I mentioned it to the Crutchfield sales rep, he gave me an additional $125 off, in addition to the free stand and free shipping. :)

Moral to the story is that it never hurts to ask. You guys have been very helpful to me as I've been lurking here for months, so I wanted to reciprocate. Go ask for a deal, and you just may get it.

Where was it found that these incorporated the DC4 chip?
Or is it just speculation?

Haven't seen any documentation that it incorporates it, but as I've been told by others here TI forbids manufacturers like Samsung from advertising that fact, so I guess it needs to be determined another way.

Ok, Ive had my 61a750 for two days. I wanted to sent it back when i hooked up the cable box via hdmi. All the hd channels where grainy and sort of blurry to a small extent. Then I thought to try component cables. It looks great now, but im not sure if the mot cable box hdmi isnt compatable to this tv. the box was hooked up to an older samsung dlp and it was fine. There must be some problem either with the samsung hdmi in or the mot hdmi out. It probably is gonna need a firmware upgrade via samsung. I hope no one else has problems with their hd cable boxes.

I also tried hdmi via ps3. All i can say is Wow! Ive got tons of trailers in both 720p and 1080p and my god are they beautiful. The color is so vivid. I just wish my cable box worked like my ps3 via hdmi.

Took the plunge on the 50 last night with the discount. Given CC's hassle free 30 day return, I figured I'd try it and see if I like it. Will post pics and any info once I have it.

Still waiting to compare the 67A750 and 72A650 for the basement.

Ok, Ive had my 61a750 for two days. I wanted to sent it back when i hooked up the cable box via hdmi. All the hd channels where grainy and sort of blurry to a small extent. Then I thought to try component cables. It looks great now, but im not sure if the mot cable box hdmi isnt compatable to this tv. the box was hooked up to an older samsung dlp and it was fine. There must be some problem either with the samsung hdmi in or the mot hdmi out. It probably is gonna need a firmware upgrade via samsung. I hope no one else has problems with their hd cable boxes.

Howdy, which cable box, specifically, do you have?

I just got the HLA650 from BB on a Lemon exchange and now I don't know what the heck I have. The guy at BB showed me that his computer showed it as an LED engine which it certainly is not. I called him back as soon as as heard the whirr up of the color wheel. I have no idea of what the contrast ratio is, it staes it nowhere in the manual. I have no idea what the chip is that it is using. Kinda drives me crazy that samsung won't even post the specs on their webpage. THe thechnical specs page in the manual list its, weight height resolution and temerature range, and thats it nothing else. What in the heck do I have. It looks good alot better than my old HLR5067W, but I have no idea what the heck it is.

Can anyone who has the 61 inch tell me how many inches the base of the TV is?
Thanks!

I just got the HLA650 from BB on a Lemon exchange and now I don't know what the heck I have. The guy at BB showed me that his computer showed it as an LED engine which it certainly is not. I called him back as soon as as heard the whirr up of the color wheel. I have no idea of what the contrast ratio is, it staes it nowhere in the manual. I have no idea what the chip is that it is using. Kinda drives me crazy that samsung won't even post the specs on their webpage. THe thechnical specs page in the manual list its, weight height resolution and temerature range, and thats it nothing else. What in the heck do I have. It looks good alot better than my old HLR5067W, but I have no idea what the heck it is.


http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/03/26/hl61a650c1fxza/hl61a650_spec.pdf

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=dlptv&model_cd=HL61A650C1FXZA

HL61A650
61" Widescreen DLP® HDTV with 1080p Resolution


Warranty: 1 year parts and labor
warranty, including lamp, with in-home
service backed by Samsung toll-free
support. 1-800-SAMSUNG

I think I'm going to bite. HTPCs should work 1:1 pixel mapping through the special PC input right?

Can anyone who has the 61 inch tell me how many inches the base of the TV is?
Thanks!

I wanted to know this too. It's the little base/stand built onto the TV you are talking about? A buddy of mine has the 61 inch 76 series. He measured 36 inches. Almost 100% sure this set would be the same.

I wanted to know this too. It's the little base/stand built onto the TV you are talking about? A buddy of mine has the 61 inch 76 series. He measured 36 inches. Almost 100% sure this set would be the same.

Yes, that....I have a 40 inch stand that I am wondering if I can use.....it held my big 250 pount sony trinitron TV so I know it can handle the weight, I just want to see if the base/bottom of the Samung will fit on it....

I just got the HLA650 from BB on a Lemon exchange and now I don't know what the heck I have. The guy at BB showed me that his computer showed it as an LED engine which it certainly is not. I called him back as soon as as heard the whirr up of the color wheel. I have no idea of what the contrast ratio is, it staes it nowhere in the manual. I have no idea what the chip is that it is using. Kinda drives me crazy that samsung won't even post the specs on their webpage. THe thechnical specs page in the manual list its, weight height resolution and temerature range, and thats it nothing else. What in the heck do I have. It looks good alot better than my old HLR5067W, but I have no idea what the heck it is.

Can you comment if you have any geometry problems with the tv? Pull up a guide on your cable or satellite box, or even some programming with bars across the top and bottom. Does it bow at all? Are the lines all straight? Does the case feel flimsy?

I apologize for jumping and asking you all these questions, but these were MAJOR problems with last years lamp based model, and there are a lot of people that want to know if these issues have been fixed.

Well, to access the service menu on previous sets, you did it this way:

- Make sure the TV is off.
- Then, on the TV remote press these buttons, one after the other:
- Mute, 1, 8, 2, Power

The TV should come on in service mode. To exit service mode, just turn the TV off and wait a few seconds before turning it on.


Do this and use the arrow keys to go through the various screens. Take pictures of each of the screens and post them, and I'm sure someone here will be able to interpret.

I just got the HLA650 from BB on a Lemon exchange and now I don't know what the heck I have. The guy at BB showed me that his computer showed it as an LED engine which it certainly is not. I called him back as soon as as heard the whirr up of the color wheel. I have no idea of what the contrast ratio is, it staes it nowhere in the manual. I have no idea what the chip is that it is using. Kinda drives me crazy that samsung won't even post the specs on their webpage. THe thechnical specs page in the manual list its, weight height resolution and temerature range, and thats it nothing else. What in the heck do I have. It looks good alot better than my old HLR5067W, but I have no idea what the heck it is.

I think you are the first to actually report owning a 6 series. Let us know If there are any geometry problems. One thing I had on my Bulb set was the picture itself was a half inch higher on the right side. This was apparent on movies where the black bar was on top and bottom.

Can you comment if you have any geometry problems with the tv? Pull up a guide on your cable or satellite box, or even some programming with bars across the top and bottom. Does it bow at all? Are the lines all straight? Does the case feel flimsy?

I apologize for jumping and asking you all these questions, but these were MAJOR problems with last years lamp based model, and there are a lot of people that want to know if these issues have been fixed.


You expect that guy to answer THAT question when he doesn't even know what kind of TV he bought?

lmfao. Get a grip dude.

the 650 is lamp based. the 750 is led

I ordered it :) Cannot wait!

It being the 61A750 ;)

I ordered it :) Cannot wait!

It being the 61A750 ;)

Ditto :)

Does Samsung have a stand for the HL67A750?

Can anyone who has the 61 inch tell me how many inches the base of the TV is?
Thanks!

Just under 40" wide for the bottom base.

Perfect, thank you moss312!

I received my HL61A750 from Amazon yesterday. I replaced an archaic 20" 23 year old Sony, so needless to say I'm easily impressed, and I have no input as to whether this set improves over last year's 6189. That said, I sat down with an HD copy of Digital Video Essentials, all prepared to discover and calibrate out the visual outrages these forums have led me to expect. After initially setting to Movie mode and Warm 1 color, I looked at the geometry test patterns and watched the demo sequences. After a while the remote fell from my lax fingers - my brain was stunned. Actually, I couldn't see anything I thought should be improved. The colors were bright and true, and there was no apparent bowing or other geometry or focus issues. I did change the "gamma" setting from -3 to -2, but apart from that and the movie/warm1 change it's running factory defaults.

I set the unit a finger's width from the back wall, so the screen front is about 15" from the back wall. This is shallower than I expected from the specs, which in some versions indicate a 15.5" depth. It's less than that, more like 14.5". I have some air motion back there, but there is no indication that heat will be an issue from the TV.

One of the myriad front stickers prominently claimed hdmi 1.3, so put that concern to rest. BTW, the TV is connected by a single hdmi cable to my Yamaha 3800, and also hdmi from there to the components.

Edit: Viewing angle needs to be considered. I sit 10' away, and the picture is great. It would be great at 8' too. My wife thought 61" was going to be way too big, now that she's seen it she's nothing but happy. Standing wouldn't be acceptable. Anything up to 45 degrees off center is fine, beyond that it degrades (darkens) rapidly.

Does Samsung have a stand for the HL67A750?

I was looking for the same thing ... so far nothing was mentioned. I want the TV to match the width nearly exactly to the stand ... and the 61A750 does. Plus, I don't want to wait three more months for the larger TV assuming the stand will be around the same width of the 72 inch bulb DLP.

I received my HL61A750 from Amazon yesterday. I replaced an archaic 20" 23 year old Sony, so needless to say I'm easily impressed, and I have no input as to whether this set improves over last year's 6189. That said, I sat down with an HD copy of Digital Video Essentials, all prepared to discover and calibrate out the visual outrages these forums have led me to expect. After initially setting to Movie mode and Warm 1 color, I looked at the geometry test patterns and watched the demo sequences. After a while the remote fell from my lax fingers - my brain was stunned. Actually, I couldn't see anything I thought should be improved. The colors were bright and true, and there was no apparent bowing or other geometry or focus issues. I did change the "gamma" setting from -3 to -2, but apart from that and the movie/warm1 change it's running factory defaults.

I set the unit a finger's width from the back wall, so the screen front is about 15" from the back wall. This is shallower than I expected from the specs, which in some versions indicate a 15.5" depth. It's less than that, more like 14.5". I have some air motion back there, but there is no indication that heat will be an issue from the TV.

One of the myriad front stickers prominently claimed hdmi 1.3, so put that concern to rest. BTW, the TV is connected by a single hdmi cable to my Yamaha 3800, and also hdmi from there to the components.

I know the rest of us want to know if its dark chip 4, not sure how u would find this out but i'm sure somebody here could tell you. I would say if it was DC4 you would notice blacks were deep even with the lights off in the dark.

I am in market for new model but want to know if people are buying from Amazon, Circuit City, BB, Crutchfield?
After a google search a new website "thehighdefinitionstore.com" has low price but not sure if anyone has any experience.

Thanks for imputs.

rkm

there is Samsung stand - TR500X3B Stand for 50/56/61" dlp tv. Not sure if it'll fit 61a750 model

I know the rest of us want to know if its dark chip 4, not sure how u would find this out but i'm sure somebody here could tell you. I would say if it was DC4 you would notice blacks were deep even with the lights off in the dark.

Blacks looked very good, but again I don't have a good baseline to compare from. It's way better than my LCD computer monitor, which was considered good in that regard. I don't have any other input on DC4 or not, sorry.

Sennat -

Great info! Just want I want to hear.....I am going to pull the trigger a week from tomorrow (payday!) and you definitely make me more confident with my purchase....we are renting a small condo before we buy a house and will be right a 10 feet away and I was worried it might be too big but now I am just ready for it to be here! Again, thanks!

45 degrees off center before rolloff doesn't strike me as being particularly impressive. Whatcha think?

45 degrees off center before rolloff doesn't strike me as being particularly impressive. Whatcha think?
In a long narrow room, it should sufficient if you are at least 8 feet away. Any thoughts?

Just ordered from CC, still get 10% discount from phone 800#

How do i get the 10% off at Circuit city?

How do i get the 10% off at Circuit city?

read previous post!

10% off from what 800# ????

10% off from what 800# ????

i dont feel like looking it up myself hehe i see on CC website they show it for 1999....if they could get me out the door for that then its a deal:D

10% off from what 800# ????

Shop by phone 800 number

45 degrees off center before rolloff doesn't strike me as being particularly impressive. Whatcha think?

I think one of my questions from an earlier post was just answered. Same brightness as last year=same screen as last year=same viewing angle=same amount of SSE as last years set:(.


At the rate mfg's like to play with contrast numbers, a contrast of 10,000:1 that was posted earlier does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling that these sets have the DC4 chip that was heavily touted at CES.

I think one of my questions from an earlier post was just answered. Same brightness as last year=same screen as last year=same viewing angle=same amount of SSE as last years set:(.


At the rate mfg's like to play with contrast numbers, a contrast of 10,000:1 that was posted earlier does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling that these sets have the DC4 chip that was heavily touted at CES.

I fear the same but then why does Samsungs website say "next generation DLP chip"

Thanks rahull

I think I'm going to bite. HTPCs should work 1:1 pixel mapping through the special PC input right?

hope someone tests this oit

2008 Samsung DLP Tv's

..."The TVs For Long and Narrow Rooms!!!"


:D

a lot of chatter but few facts on this TV, sorry at work and cranky:(

Ive had the tv for a few days and am getting exchanged for another one. The hdmi input goes out of sync every 45 min or so when using it with a ps3. The hdmi input looks like crap when fed hdmi out from the motorola hd set top box. I had to go use componenet outs. I hope theres not a universal hdmi problem. Everything worked fine with my old 720 dlp and its hdmi outs.

Where can I get good quality HDMI 1.3 cables at cheaper prices than MONSTER?
Is there a difference between cheap $20 cables and $100 ones?
Sorry if this has been asked before. I am new to all this.

Where can I get good quality HDMI 1.3 cables at cheaper prices than MONSTER?
Is there a difference between cheap $20 cables and $100 ones?
Sorry if this has been asked before. I am new to all this.

monoprice cables.

I fear the same but then why does Samsungs website say "next generation DLP chip"

In the words of Bill Clinton, 'what IS Next Generation?' Seriously, I read the PDF sheet as well and what struck me is not what WAS printed but what was NOT printed, i.e. they make zero mention as to what was improved/changed on the 'Next Generation' DLP chip that is in the 750 models.

Now maybe they're prohibited from saying specifics per TI, but holy cow, from the pics at CES (beginning of this thread) the placard clearly shows on the Dark Chip 4 image that it is twice as bright (brighter than what they don't indicate) and 500,000:1 contrast ratio, thats a FAR cry from 10,000:1

what is that wasnt really a DC4 chip? They might have taken the display next to it and dimmed it down to make the 'newer' 2008 model look much brighter....

I just came back from CC, Fairfax, VA. I called them this afternoon if they have HL61A750 on display but they did not have one. The person on phone told me that he is going to have one after 5 pm. I just wanted to see the TV. I was there around 6 pm and TV was there. Initial setting was not impressive. They had Samsung HD-DVD player and Transformers DVD was playing. It was not very bright. Contrast was at 100% but brightness was at 45%. I asked CC guy to change brightness and he increased it to 80%, TV picture quality improved. I did not like it initially but later after increasing brightness it was looking good. I have seen same movie on Sony 60a2000 and could not feel big difference. TV was not conncted to any cable channels. Could not compare with any sports etc. But I was impressed with color quality etc.

what is that wasnt really a DC4 chip? They might have taken the display next to it and dimmed it down to make the 'newer' 2008 model look much brighter....

It wasn't the CES demo display's brightness so much as it appeared to be outstanding contrast.

For what it is worth, I went into the BB in Folsom, CA on Saturday.

I asked if they had the new LED Samsung, and the Blue Droid pointed to a... flat panel.

I said "No, I'm talking about the new LED DLP, the 750 series".

Another Droid spoke up that they've been discontinued, and BB won't be carrying them. I exclaimed my frustration at his lack of knowledge since, as I said, "they are only just starting to hit the stores this WEEK - they're not discontinued, and they are brand new 2008 models".

He again claimed Samsung "has exited the RPTV market". I said, "No, that was SONY."

He kept insisting he's right.

I finally said "Other Best Buy's have them. Can't you simply say you don't have them, and not make up lies? Can you show me the PRESS RELEASE that informs the world that Samsung has left the RPTV market?"

"No, but they have".

I left.


I had the same problem at the Best Buy in Aurora, Illinois. I walked out and ended up buying the TV from Circuit City via Online order. I think they're just ignorant employees or they're really trying to push LCDs.

Where can I get good quality HDMI 1.3 cables at cheaper prices than MONSTER?
Is there a difference between cheap $20 cables and $100 ones?
Sorry if this has been asked before. I am new to all this.

Also, what about a good/cheap surge protector? I know the is a monster one that is color coded etc but is expenisive so are there any other really good options?

Well regardless If the DC4 is in there they didnt seem to do anything with it. The LED already had great color, the knock on them was Contrast Ratio and viewing angle. I think based on this I am still in the market for a bulb unit. I can get an extended warranty for the difference and be covered.

Except they wont update the 2,500:1 contrast ratio on the site! When I talked to someone at Samsung they said the 6 series may not ship until the end of April.

Could it be the 6 series specs are better and they dont want to hurt sales of the 7 series?

You know once these things get reviewed the cat is out of the bag.

Hey Guys,

New to the forum and figured I would give my .02 cents. I picked up this TV yesterday from Circuit City and sure enough..it has bowing issues. Not only does the top sag but the sides also bow inwards when displaying a 4x3 picture.

Aside from the bowing problem, standard DVD's looks pretty good hooked up via component. The picture from my cable box (SA 4250) on the other hand looks unimpressive. The box is outputting 1080i and even the HD channels with HD programming on them didn't really meet my expectations. I am running HDMI from box to TV and will try trouble shooting tomorrow to try and improve the picture quality.

If i can't improve cable picture quality I will probably take it back....

Will keep everyone posted..

Why are people asking for generic advice on cables and surge protectors? This is NOT the place! This thread is about the new Samsungs. Let's keep on topic. Sorry but it's painful to read all this crap that has NOTHING to do with the sets. I feel better now and my medicine is kicking in.
Thanks for not stabbing me.

750???

Are you kidding me?

So they most likely didnt update the specs and have the same bowing issues. My guess is this is the last year of DLP sets from Samsung. Also explains the drop in prices.

Clearing out old inventory with a new model name.

I am so pissed, I went through 2 6176's for this issue.

Can you take pics and post them?

monoprice cables.
Thanks mike_pro..

I am going to take some test patterns and find this thing displayed before purchase for sure.

No excuse for this.

Which TV did you get the A650 or the A750?

BTW Kinda off-topic, but I'm going to see a big difference in quality between this and my 50A10 Sony 720p RPTV LCD right? :)

You expect that guy to answer THAT question when he doesn't even know what kind of TV he bought?

lmfao. Get a grip dude.


Uh, ya I'm not an idiot

What I don't know is how many segmant color wheel I have, What DMD chip etc is in it, Contrast ratio and such:)

Matt, do you have a motorola cable box, if so try component. I think there might be a problem with the motorola hd boxes and the video through hdmi on them cause it looks blurry and grainy. Its pretty good via component.

Ok, from what I can tell there is absolutely no bowing of any sort. The casing is now a very sturdy hard plastic. It is not at all like last years LED DLP that my Father in law purchased. I noticed that when I went to go check his out. THe case was slightly stiffer than a rubermaid trash can. The new casing is closer to that of the hard plastic used in older CRT sets. What I need to know is what DMD is in it, how many segment color wheel is included. I am very susceptable to the rainbow effect and this set seems to have very little if any at all. The blacks are extremely black. The PQ is incredible from an HD source however slightly fuzzier than that of my older HLR5067W on SD channels. The instruction manual is very vague as far as settings goes. It states that this unit is 120 mhz unit on the website, however it says nowhere in the manual how to get into this mode. I was able to dig around the firmware a bit and figure out how to enable film mode. The sound quality of the included speakers is horrid and reminds me of yelling through a tube. However the firmware includes a feature to turn off the tv speakers. The new remote is quite different with estremely large print on the buttons and is a backlit unit. It also has the four blu-ray buttons but no way that I can tell to switgh the remote to DVD mode (odd). So far I like the set but am not in love with it yet. This is mainly due to the fact that I have no idea of how reliable this unit will be. There are zero reviews to be found other than the one you are reading right now. Best Buy's computer calls it an LED DLP, which it clearly is not. It is starting to grow on me, but I'll leave final judgement after tomorow when I borrow the PS3 from my father in law.

Ok, from what I can tell there is absolutely no bowing of any sort. The casing is now a very sturdy hard plastic. It is not at all like last years LED DLP that my Father in law purchased. I noticed that when I went to go check his out. THe case was slightly stiffer than a rubermaid trash can. The new casing is closer to that of the hard plastic used in older CRT sets. What I need to know is what DMD is in it, how many segment color wheel is included. I am very susceptable to the rainbow effect and this set seems to have very little if any at all. The blacks are extremely black. The PQ is incredible from an HD source however slightly fuzzier than that of my older HLR5067W on SD channels. The instruction manual is very vague as far as settings goes. It states that this unit is 120 mhz unit on the website, however it says nowhere in the manual how to get into this mode. I was able to dig around the firmawre a bit and figure out how to eneble film mode. The sound quality of the included speakers is horrid and reminds me of yelling through a tube. However the firmware includes a feature to turn off the tv speakers. The new remote is quite different with estremely large print on the buttons and is a backlit unit. It also has the four blu-ray buttons but no way that I can tell to switgh the remote to DVD mode (odd). So far I like the set but am not in love with it yet. This is mainly due to the fact that I have no idea of how reliable this unit will be. There are zero reviews to be found other than the one you are reading right now. Best Buy's computer calls it an LED DLP, which it clearly is not. It is starting to grow on me, but I'll leave final judgement after tomorow when I borrow the PS3 from my father in law.


^ Do you know how to get into the service menu?

If so, you may be able to identify the Darkchip, DMD etc. I would be really curious of the contrast ratio of that set, Best buy and Samsung list it as 2,500:1 and that cant be right.

jamescarnahan, thank you for looking into that. Can you confirm by the instruction manual or perhaps the sticker on the side/back of the tv that list the model number and serial number, what your ENTIRE model number is?

No it is not 2500:1 there is no way. I had a 2500:1 set before and this is much crisper and the blacks are far blacker. And no I have no idea how to get into the service menu.

Ok, from what I can tell there is absolutely no bowing of any sort. The casing is now a very sturdy hard plastic. It is not at all like last years LED DLP that my Father in law purchased. I noticed that when I went to go check his out. THe case was slightly stiffer than a rubermaid trash can. The new casing is closer to that of the hard plastic used in older CRT sets. What I need to know is what DMD is in it, how many segment color wheel is included. I am very susceptable to the rainbow effect and this set seems to have very little if any at all. The blacks are extremely black. The PQ is incredible from an HD source however slightly fuzzier than that of my older HLR5067W on SD channels. The instruction manual is very vague as far as settings goes. It states that this unit is 120 mhz unit on the website, however it says nowhere in the manual how to get into this mode. I was able to dig around the firmware a bit and figure out how to enable film mode. The sound quality of the included speakers is horrid and reminds me of yelling through a tube. However the firmware includes a feature to turn off the tv speakers. The new remote is quite different with estremely large print on the buttons and is a backlit unit. It also has the four blu-ray buttons but no way that I can tell to switgh the remote to DVD mode (odd). So far I like the set but am not in love with it yet. This is mainly due to the fact that I have no idea of how reliable this unit will be. There are zero reviews to be found other than the one you are reading right now. Best Buy's computer calls it an LED DLP, which it clearly is not. It is starting to grow on me, but I'll leave final judgement after tomorow when I borrow the PS3 from my father in law.

Good review.

45 degrees off center before rolloff doesn't strike me as being particularly impressive. Whatcha think?

I saw the set tonight at the local CC. I disagree that the viewing angles are the same as last year. They had both last years LED and this years 6 and 7 models and horizontal angles seemed very good and as good as the lamp based ones next to them. The lighting was different where last year's LED DLP was setup but it looked worse to me. I did not have a remote available
to try to get into the service menu. Mine is supposed to be delivered tomorrow evening :)

I did notice geometry issues unfortunately on some black barred demo material (bars on top and sides). Just a little bowing similar to what I have in my original HLM series. Bowing seemed worse on the left than on the right. I would think they would have had this problem licked by now. That being said, it hasn't bothered me for years on my HLM and I doubt I will worry about it on this one if mine has this issue.

And of course when I told the sales drone I had ordered it online she reminded me to buy the service plan "since it covers the bulb". You can't make this stuff up.

Question to owners please:
This is important to me in regards to SPLIT screen. Can you tune a ATSC HDTV channels and split that with a HDMI HDTV source? Can you change the audio to either one?

THANKS!

anyone?

Sure here ya go

Except they wont update the 2,500:1 contrast ratio on the site! When I talked to someone at Samsung they said the 6 series may not ship until the end of April.


CC in Springfield IL had the 6 series and hooked it up and turned it on about 5PM today. I could not tell much diff between the 6 and 7 but they weren't next to each other and the 6 was only a 50" I think.

its the 50A650. I may be able to take pictures tomorrow. The box is a scientific atlanta 4250...not a motorola but will try component.



750???

Are you kidding me?

So they most likely didnt update the specs and have the same bowing issues. My guess is this is the last year of DLP sets from Samsung. Also explains the drop in prices.

Clearing out old inventory with a new model name.

I am so pissed, I went through 2 6176's for this issue.

Can you take pics and post them?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8749474&productCategoryId=abcat0101002&type=product&tab=1&id=1202649424894#productdetail

thats the best buy link for the 61a750.
yeah i did notice bowing on the sides during 4:3. the black looks pretty good on superman 2 donner cut bluray. it was wide screen and had black bars on the top and bottom and on dark parts the black was pretty good at almost getting to the black bars. i dont care what you guys say this is a better tv in my opinion. i ordered my hdmi 1.3a cables from mono price for $5 each

oh this is just a rumor but some of the guys at work (Best Buy) were saying that we are only going to carry a few RP tvs from now on due to market demand and that eventually we will stop selling them and only do LCD. they were saying its uneconomical to have RP because it costs them too much to make. im just repeating what i was told. they said we would carry the mitsu and samsung though.

Ok, from what I can tell there is absolutely no bowing of any sort. The casing is now a very sturdy hard plastic. It is not at all like last years LED DLP that my Father in law purchased. I noticed that when I went to go check his out. THe case was slightly stiffer than a rubermaid trash can. The new casing is closer to that of the hard plastic used in older CRT sets. What I need to know is what DMD is in it, how many segment color wheel is included. I am very susceptable to the rainbow effect and this set seems to have very little if any at all. The blacks are extremely black. The PQ is incredible from an HD source however slightly fuzzier than that of my older HLR5067W on SD channels. The instruction manual is very vague as far as settings goes. It states that this unit is 120 mhz unit on the website, however it says nowhere in the manual how to get into this mode. I was able to dig around the firmware a bit and figure out how to enable film mode. The sound quality of the included speakers is horrid and reminds me of yelling through a tube. However the firmware includes a feature to turn off the tv speakers. The new remote is quite different with estremely large print on the buttons and is a backlit unit. It also has the four blu-ray buttons but no way that I can tell to switgh the remote to DVD mode (odd). So far I like the set but am not in love with it yet. This is mainly due to the fact that I have no idea of how reliable this unit will be. There are zero reviews to be found other than the one you are reading right now. Best Buy's computer calls it an LED DLP, which it clearly is not. It is starting to grow on me, but I'll leave final judgement after tomorow when I borrow the PS3 from my father in law.

Thanks for the pics, albeit the 650 model. May I ask what features led you to choose the bulb/color wheel model (650)over the newer LED model (750)?

61 inches vs 56, Thats it

The 61 would smack the fireplace mantel.

Ordered one of the HL61A750 today at circuit city going to pick it up tomarrow. $2399 starting price - $100 coupon - $60 difference in their warrenty and best buys. Worked out nice since the warrenty only came up as $36 more than best buys warrenty. If anyone has any requests for me to test on the tv let me know. No I have no idea how to get into a service manual. I'm just upgrading from an old Panasonic 53" PT53TW53G so this will be a pretty nice upgrade for me.

Look forward to some of the findings here, specifically whether or not either model is using DC4.

Does anyone reading this thread by chance work at Sears? Where I live (Hilo, Hawaii) Sears is the ONLY way I can get this TV. I was wondering when Sears would have the Series 7 (HL61A750) in stock and available to buy. Thanks for your help.

oh this is just a rumor but some of the guys at work (Best Buy) were saying that we are only going to carry a few RP tvs from now on due to market demand and that eventually we will stop selling them and only do LCD. they were saying its uneconomical to have RP because it costs them too much to make. im just repeating what i was told. they said we would carry the mitsu and samsung though.

Come on CyberBomb,
what's the verdict, does your A750 have the DC4 or not? Can you please check in the service menu. Just post all the specs that are on screen. mike_pro in post # 878 of this thread gave the instructions on how to enter it. Come on dude, we're counting on you.:)

Originally Posted by mike_pro
Well, to access the service menu on previous sets, you did it this way:

- Make sure the TV is off.
- Then, on the TV remote press these buttons, one after the other:
- Mute, 1, 8, 2, Power

The TV should come on in service mode. To exit service mode, just turn the TV off and wait a few seconds before turning it on.


Do this and use the arrow keys to go through the various screens. Take pictures of each of the screens and post them, and I'm sure someone here will be able to interpret.

I saw the set tonight at the local CC. I disagree that the viewing angles are the same as last year. They had both last years LED and this years 6 and 7 models and horizontal angles seemed very good and as good as the lamp based ones next to them. The lighting was different where last year's LED DLP was setup but it looked worse to me. I did not have a remote available
to try to get into the service menu. Mine is supposed to be delivered tomorrow evening :)

I did notice geometry issues unfortunately on some black barred demo material (bars on top and sides). Just a little bowing similar to what I have in my original HLM series. Bowing seemed worse on the left than on the right. I would think they would have had this problem licked by now. That being said, it hasn't bothered me for years on my HLM and I doubt I will worry about it on this one if mine has this issue.

And of course when I told the sales drone I had ordered it online she reminded me to buy the service plan "since it covers the bulb". You can't make this stuff up.

Which series had the bowing?

Guys who are going into the service menu, dont change anything unless you know what your doing and take picture BEFORE you do so you can remember what the original settings were.

Aside from the 61A750 which is currently available, Samsung is coming out with model 67A750 ?any day now? Does anyone know the specs (dimensions of physical monitor) on this new model - I can't find it anywhere.

There's been lots and lots of speculation in this thread regarding which TI chip the new A750 models have and talk of contrast ratio, etc., etc. I've called Samsung and was informed it had the DC4 (for what that's worth:rolleyes:), a Magnolia manager called his store's sammy rep for me and the rep said it has the DC4 (for what that's worth too:rolleyes:)

Now I'm not an expert, just an HT enthusiast who is replacing his Sammy, 5th Gen DLP, the HL-4667W (native res 720p) that has provided a GREAT picture with everything I have fed it (digital SD cable, digital HD cable, SD & HD DVD) with the HL61A750. I just went into my SM on the 67W and have logged 1,975 hrs on my original bulb and my display looks as good as the day I set it up. I just finished watching the HD-DVD version of Pan's Labyrinth and my 67W still ROCKS! :)

OK, I'll get to the point. If I'm mistaken (I don't think I am, not totally anyway) someone will chime in. This is my slant on things. The TI Dark Chip is just that, a "black detailer". DLPs with the DC3 or DC4 can have the same stated contrast ratio of 10,000:1, but with the DC4, blacker blacks can be achieved. Combine that with the new Cinema Pure light engine (vs. the Cinema Smooth engine of the 2007 LED series, 89S) in connection with the Phlatlight PT 120 LEDs and you have a brighter picture, more color, etc., etc.

Whether or not the A750 series has the DC4 will remain to be seen when an owner can officially confirm it, but the new Cinema Pure light engine and new LED array should provide a better picture, IMHO.

My A750 is on the way, hopefully I will have it next week. When I do I will report back and provide as much information as I can. I have a Comcast HD Cable box by Moto, Tosh. HD-XA2, Denon AVR-3808ci and a 5.1 speaker array all Polk RTi's with a Klipsch Sub-12 woofer. I will set my cable to out put 1080i and my XA2 for 1080p. If I find the A750 doesn't do a good job at deinterlacing the cable feed, I'll have my 3808ci do it.

Cheers!:D

There's been lots and lots of speculation in this thread regarding which TI chip the new A750 models have and talk of contrast ratio, etc., etc. I've called Samsung and was informed it had the DC4 (for what that's worth:rolleyes:), a Magnolia manager called his store's sammy rep for me and the rep said it has the DC4 (for what that's worth too:rolleyes:)

Now I'm not an expert, just an HT enthusiast who is replacing his Sammy, 5th Gen DLP, the HL-4667W (native res 720p) that has provided a GREAT picture with everything I have fed it (digital SD cable, digital HD cable, SD & HD DVD) with the HL61A750. I just went into my SM on the 67W and have logged 1,975 hrs on my original bulb and my display looks as good as the day I set it up. I just finished watching the HD-DVD version of Pan's Labyrinth and my 67W still ROCKS! :)

OK, I'll get to the point. If I'm mistaken (I don't think I am, not totally anyway) someone will chime in. This is my slant on things. The TI Dark Chip is just that, a "black detailer". DLPs with the DC3 or DC4 can have the same stated contrast ratio of 10,000:1, but with the DC4, blacker blacks can be achieved. Combine that with the new Cinema Pure light engine in connection with the Phlatlight PT 120 LEDs and you have a brighter picture, more color, etc., etc.

Whether or not the A750 series has the DC4 will remain to be seen when an owner can officially confirm it, but the new Cinema Pure light engine and new LED array should provide a better picture, IMHO.

My A750 is on the way, hopefully I will have it next week. When I do I will report back and provide as much information as I can. I have a Comcast HD Cable box by Moto, Tosh. HD-XA2, Denon AVR-3808ci and a 5.1 speaker array all Polk RTi's with a Klipsch Sub-12 woofer. I will set my cable to out put 1080i and my XA2 for 1080p. If I find the A750 doesn't do a good job at deinterlacing the cable feed, I'll have my 3808ci do it.

Cheers!:D

Thats a nice sum up of info... When you do get the 750, how can you tell it has DC4 in the SM? What are you hoping to see in there that will tell you?

Which series had the bowing?

The 7 was the only one being fed a picture when the material with the black frame was on (while I was there anyway). Isn't this just a YMMV like the original ones were? I had 2 or 3 different HLM/Ns and each one had its own minor geometry issues. But I missed most of the discussion on the other LEDs and on the ultraslims so maybe there is more to it.

It was at most a quarter of an inch, most noticable in the upper left.

Would one of the 2 or 3 in the thread with the 6 or 7 just try to get in the service menus already ;)

Aside from the 61A750 which is currently available, Samsung is coming out with model 67A750 ?any day now? Does anyone know the specs (dimensions of physical monitor) on this new model - I can't find it anywhere.

Any day now? According to everything I have read it is delayed vs. the 61". Physical dimensions I don't believe have been confirmed.

Thats a nice sum up of info... When you do get the 750, how can you tell it has DC4 in the SM? What are you hoping to see in there that will tell you?

NismoZ,
I'm not sure but I will compare the available data that I now have in my 67W's SM and that of the A750 when I get it.

What I believe to be true about the real difference between the DC3 & DC4 is that the DC4 is supposed to be a "true 1080p chip", no wobulation and most importantly, the DC4 has smaller gaps between the mirrors for blacker blacks.

I'm hoping some DLP gurus will come forward to let us know where in the SM lies the chip set info.:confused:

NismoZ,
I'm not sure but I will compare the available data that I now have in my 67W's SM and that of the A750 when I get it.

What I believe to be true about the real difference between the DC3 & DC4 is that the DC4 is supposed to be a "true 1080p chip", no wobulation and most importantly, the DC4 has smaller gaps between the mirrors for blacker blacks.

I'm hoping some DLP gurus will come forward to let us know where in the SM lies the chip set info.:confused:

Whoaaaa there trigger. Are you suggesting that 2008 will not have a wobulated chip? I have never heard that before. Also, the wobulation process is what is responsible for there not being visible gaps in the display since there is some overlap. Do you have any source for this?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

... and still more new questions than answers.

turls and EYESPORTS, from what others have said on this thread, the 67" comes out in JUNE. I also thought it was any day now, but apparently I must be mistaken. I was eagerly waiting for the 67" too but don't want to wait all that extra time. I wish Sammy had a stand for the 67" to directly match the width of the TV

Whoaaaa there trigger. Are you suggesting that 2008 will not have a wobulated chip? I have never heard that before. Also, the wobulation process is what is responsible for there not being visible gaps in the display since there is some overlap. Do you have any source for this?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

I have not heard anything like this. I can buy there may be a DC4 in there but I need proof.

I have not heard anything like this. I can buy there may be a DC4 in there but I need proof.

Retail locations aren't helping this either. Both CC and BB continue to be oblivious. They just want to sell me an LCD. I can't understand how a person can work at one of these locations all day and not even understand the technology. I guess they just hire people that know sales and not people that know consumer electronics.

Owner Confirmation Needed:

I still need to know if the 750 LED TV has the "Justscan" or overscan compensation tool built into the TV. My current Sony RPTV has horrid overscan and the TV does not have an internal corrector.

From what I understand, previous generation Samsungs had this overscan compensation fix somewhere in their TV menus. Would someone with the book and or TV please confirm this? I'd be using it for HDMI, and PC input.

Just came back from Grand Opening of hhgregg (daytona beach, fl), they had last years HLT6187S / $2279 right next to the new HL61A750 / $2089. I noticed no difference in picture looking at them side by side, both were on dynamic setting. The new 750A did not seem any brighter as claimed, at least in store lighting. The frame appeared the same except for a slight cosmetic curve near the bottom side. I measured the frame around the sides and top, same size, seemed flimsy on both. Ask the salesman about contrast ratio and DC4, he went and got some guy he said was the Samsung rep there for grand opening. The Samsung guy said it was 10,000/1 contrast ratio, then went away to find out about DC4, came back a few minutes later and said no DC4. I asked why last years model was priced higher, he did not know except to say it was possibly grand opening special. I didn't ask any other questions as he was swept away by another salesman and customer. Don't know how knowledgeable this guy was.

I really wasn't impressed but don't think there's anything better out there for the size and money. I really wanted this to be the one to replaced my 6 1/2 year old 65" CRT that still works and picture looks great. Wife says it's old fashion, bulky and wants it out of the living room. I want to wait a couple of more years...will see.

Owner Confirmation Needed:

I still need to know if the 750 LED TV has the "Justscan" or overscan compensation tool built into the TV. My current Sony RPTV has horrid overscan and the TV does not have an internal corrector.

From what I understand, previous generation Samsungs had this overscan compensation fix somewhere in their TV menus. Would someone with the book and or TV please confirm this? I'd be using it for HDMI, and PC input.

If you go download the manual for the model your looking at so a search for Justscan. I am pretty sure I did that for the 7 series and found it in there.

So now we have multiple confirmations by Samsung employees to various AVS members that the 2008 LED will both have and not have DC4.

Sigh.

Attention XXX750 owners. Service menu. You know what we want.;)

Just came back from Grand Opening of hhgregg (daytona beach, fl), they had last years HLT6187S / $2279 right next to the new HL61A750 / $2089. I noticed no difference in picture looking at them side by side, both were on dynamic setting. The new 750A did not seem any brighter as claimed, at least in store lighting. The frame appeared the same except for a slight cosmetic curve near the bottom side. I measured the frame around the sides and top, same size, seemed flimsy on both. Ask the salesman about contrast ratio and DC4, he went and got some guy he said was the Samsung rep there for grand opening. The Samsung guy said it was 10,000/1 contrast ratio, then went away to find out about DC4, came back a few minutes later and said no DC4. I asked why last years model was priced higher, he did not know except to say it was possibly grand opening special. I didn't ask any other questions as he was swept away by another salesman and customer. Don't know how knowledgeable this guy was.

I really wasn't impressed but don't think there's anything better out there for the size and money. I really wanted this to be the one to replaced my 6 1/2 year old 65" CRT that still works and picture looks great. Wife says it's old fashion, bulky and wants it out of the living room. I want to wait a couple of more years...will see.

Crushing. especially since I am sending back a 6176 series that I got at a sweet price. Now I have to pay more for basically the same tv.

Crushing. especially since I am sending back a 6176 series that I got at a sweet price. Now I have to pay more for basically the same tv.

I just makes ZERO sense whatsoever that the new model would not be improved. I just can't believe that until I get more info.....I am keeping hope alive!

Can anyone who has already received their set, take the following measurement for me. I am looking for the distance from the front of the screen to the point where the tv is 46-1/2" wide. Here is a very rough drawing of what I am looking for:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p77/Tarpon65/DLPDrawing.jpg

I think the bottom line is that if you believe Rob Toon (2 posts), hope is crushed...especially since he saw them side by side. :(

Then again, ya never know just "who" lurks on these forums (industry competitors?), or if they have some sort of agenda. I tend to lend a bit more credence to folks who've got a longer post history, but Rob may be legit. I sure as heck hope not. I wasn't particulary impressed when I saw the 6176S alongside the same bulb model at BB. The bulb model was MUCH brighter, and had a bigger off-angle view.

Well, it's important to also note what the brightness was set to on each display. If they were the out of the box settings, tehy could be different. I think someone mentioned a few posts ago that they were looking at it, and the brightness was set to something like 45. For a truer comparison of the bulb vs. led, picture mode, color temp, contrast, and brightness should all be the same. Now go back and do this for all of us!! :D


Just came back from Grand Opening of hhgregg (daytona beach, fl), they had last years HLT6187S / $2279 right next to the new HL61A750 / $2089. I noticed no difference in picture looking at them side by side, both were on dynamic setting. The new 750A did not seem any brighter as claimed, at least in store lighting.

Yesterday I was watching Transformers movie and local CC and it was really dark. But after we change brighness from 45 to 80, it looked impressive. The A750 in CC was playing HD-DVD on samsung player.
I am not sure what default setting is?

Well, it's important to also note what the brightness was set to on each display. If they were the out of the box settings, tehy could be different. I think someone mentioned a few posts ago that they were looking at it, and the brightness was set to something like 45. For a truer comparison of the bulb vs. led, picture mode, color temp, contrast, and brightness should all be the same. Now go back and do this for all of us!! :D


I admire the optimism, son....I admire the optimism. :)

Whoaaaa there trigger. Are you suggesting that 2008 will not have a wobulated chip? I have never heard that before. Also, the wobulation process is what is responsible for there not being visible gaps in the display since there is some overlap. Do you have any source for this?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

I think TI has blocked my access to this thread. I have had to sign in at least 10 times before getting access. Damn them, I bet they're using the wobulator again:D

OK, I do not have hard and fast proof, just grape vine.
If you recall back a few years (I believe 2005) HP patented the wobulation technology for their printers, TI started using it in their DLP chips and called it "SmoothPicture". From what I've heard, TI has made the gaps between the hundreds and thousands of mirrors that make up a chip even smaller, thus allowing them to eliminate wobulation, which is really just an image enhancement technique and make a true 1920 X 1080 pixel mirror, CinemaPure and no longer using wobulation with a 960 X 1080 mirror. Remember, wobulation is kinda like interlacing where it shows half a picture at a time but does it really fast, 120 time per second to produce a 60 full frames per second.

BTW, I do like the Roy Rogers reference;)

I think the bottom line is that if you believe Rob Toon (2 posts), hope is crushed...especially since he saw them side by side. :(

Then again, ya never know just "who" lurks on these forums (industry competitors?), or if they have some sort of agenda. I tend to lend a bit more credence to folks who've got a longer post history, but Rob may be legit. I sure as heck hope not. I wasn't particulary impressed when I saw the 6176S alongside the same bulb model at BB. The bulb model was MUCH brighter, and had a bigger off-angle view.

By all means don't lose hope from what I posted. I am just telling you what I seen and heard at the store. My opinion on the picture quality was just that, an opinion. I have been following this thread for some time now and was hoping to hear all the good news before buying the A750. I so much wanted to buy it, even at a higher price. I was going to buy the 87 LED on amazon for $1699 free shipping when I heard they were coming out with a new LED model. I know if I decide to buy a sammy 61" it will be the newer model even if it's a higher price.

Doesn't the Dynamic mode auto brightness and contrast to that mode setting? So side by side both on same mode would be fair comparison?


By the way I'm just a 58yr old guy looking to buy a new tv and only have the knowledge from google HL61A750 and from reading this thread. I stumbled on this forum while researching.

cheers

Maybe for the 7 series but this is what the specs sheet says on the HLT6176 (last years)

Next Generation DLP Chips from Texas Instruments
Samsung employs a Texas Instruments DLP chip that is comprised of millions of microscopic
mirrors. The DLP chip is faster than any other HDTV technology, with the mirrors switching
on & off 15,000 times a second to deliver a razor-sharp picture for fast moving images.
When combined with Samsung’s new Cinema Smooth light engine, the result is a crisp,
bright picture with deep, rich colors that’s closer to film.

This years 6 series:

Next Generation DLP® Chips from
Texas Instruments Samsung employs
a Texas Instruments DLP® chip that is
comprised of millions of microscopic
mirrors. The DLP® chip is faster than any
other HDTV technology, with the mirrors
switching on & off 15,000 times a second
to deliver a razor-sharp picture for fast
moving images. When combined with
Samsung’s new Cinema Smooth 120Hz
light engine, the result is a crisp, bright
picture with deep, rich colors that’s closer
to film.

7 series:

Next Generation DLP® Chips from
Texas Instruments Samsung employs a
Texas Instruments DLP® chip that is
comprised of millions of microscopic
mirrors. The DLP® chip is faster than any
other HDTV technology, with the mirrors
switching on & off 15,000 times a second
to deliver a razor-sharp picture for fast
moving images. When combined with
Samsung’s new Cinema Smooth light
engine, the result is a crisp, bright picture
with deep, rich colors that’s closer to film.

Just an added note, the LED from last year use the Cinama Smooth engine. The only difference I can see is the Light Engine between this years and last years LED. It is possible there is improvement somewhere in the picture but DLP chip looks the same as they just cut and pasted it from one spec sheet to another.

Now, what exactly does the change to cinama pure mean for the 7 series?

Keep in mind, these idiots at Samsung say in the DLP section of the 7 series that these use the Cinama Smooth engine from last year however it says this about the light engine:

CinemaPure™ 120Hz Color Engine
Samsung is the worldwide leader in creating
light engines that harness DLP HDTV
technology from Texas Instruments.
Samsung’s CinemaPure™ 120Hz Color
Engine brings together the right optics,
electronic circuitry and replaceable light
source to create a brilliant picture that’s
more lifelike and much closer to film. In its
second year of evolution, Samsung’s
CinemaPure™ 120Hz Color Engine displays
40% more color than traditional
HDTVs, delivers crisp 1080p High
Definition resolution with high contrast and
brightness, defined edges and sharp detail

So they cut and pasted the DLP info and didnt even bother to correct the light engine part.

They also list this as the second generation for this light engine although I cannot find a set that used it last year.

I think TI has blocked my access to this thread. I have had to sign in at least 10 times before getting access. Damn them, I bet they're using the wobulator again:D

OK, I do not have hard and fast proof, just grape vine.
If you recall back a few years (I believe 2005) HP patented the wobulation technology for their printers, TI started using it in their DLP chips and called it "SmoothPicture". From what I've heard, TI has made the gaps between the hundreds and thousands of mirrors that make up a chip even smaller, thus allowing them to eliminate wobulation, which is really just an image enhancement technique and make a true 1920 X 1080 pixel mirror, CinemaPure and no longer using wobulation with a 960 X 1080 mirror. Remember, wobulation is kinda like interlacing where it shows half a picture at a time but does it really fast, 120 time per second to produce a 60 full frames per second.

BTW, I do like the Roy Rogers reference;)

Interesting angle of analysis. Your only flaw is in understanding that Smoothpicture is a marketing term. If there is one thing I have learned in the past 36 years, it is that marketing people have no idea what they are talking about. Everything on the other side of the screen on a TV is magic to them. They are good at making up names, but I wouldn't read too much into their word choice or any change in proprietary technology names. A true 1080p chip would cost a whole lot more money and TI would have been crowing about it in Las Vegas a couple months ago.

Like I stated earlier in the thread, as soon as we put this 61A750 out, I would take pictures and post them for you guys to look at of the service menu. I had no idea what I was looking at or what NOT to click on. These are 2 pictures that I took, can take more upon request if you direct me exactly where to go. These are from my phone.

A true 1080p chip would cost a whole lot more money and TI would have been crowing about it in Las Vegas a couple months ago.

FWIW, a 960x1080 chip with wobulation has a bit over 1 million mirrors while a true 1920x1080 has over 2 mil. So using the word millions in their advertising should only cover the latter chip. Truth in advertising??

Can anyone who has already received their set, take the following measurement for me. I am looking for the distance from the front of the screen to the point where the tv is 46-1/2" wide. Here is a very rough drawing of what I am looking for:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p77/Tarpon65/DLPDrawing.jpg
I measured it out at just under 6 inches but there is an additional 1 1/4" inch this is part of the based so total is probably just over 7 inches.

Remember guys, it was months after the release of the HL-Txx87 series that Samsung removed reference to the colour wheel from their web pages for the LED sets.

I measured it out at just under 6 inches but there is an additional 1 1/4" inch this is part of the based so total is probably just over 7 inches.

Ztkp01, Thanks very much. You gave me good news as my set will be delivered next week.

Like I stated earlier in the thread, as soon as we put this 61A750 out, I would take pictures and post them for you guys to look at of the service menu. I had no idea what I was looking at or what NOT to click on. These are 2 pictures that I took, can take more upon request if you direct me exactly where to go. These are from my phone.

Can anyone help this man out?

This confirms DC 5.3
:)

Like I stated earlier in the thread, as soon as we put this 61A750 out, I would take pictures and post them for you guys to look at of the service menu. I had no idea what I was looking at or what NOT to click on. These are 2 pictures that I took, can take more upon request if you direct me exactly where to go. These are from my phone.

all joking aside, dont you guys think if this TV had DC4 it would be quite clear even on the showroom floor?

Owner Confirmation Needed:

I still need to know if the 750 LED TV has the "Justscan" or overscan compensation tool built into the TV. My current Sony RPTV has horrid overscan and the TV does not have an internal corrector.

From what I understand, previous generation Samsungs had this overscan compensation fix somewhere in their TV menus. Would someone with the book and or TV please confirm this? I'd be using it for HDMI, and PC input.


It has JustScan.

all joking aside, dont you guys think if this TV had DC4 it would be quite clear even on the showroom floor?

Not sure I follow you. How would it be obvious, when you are talking about a showroom, with improved LED lighting vs. last year? Maybe on the bulb ones, but still wouldn't you have to have some really specific scenes to tell the difference?

We already know it isn't even obvious from the service screens what we have here. If they are trying to keep DLP RP viable, why wouldn't they go all out this year? Why would they hold back? I said earlier no DC4 isn't a deal killer for me, but I don't like how they are hiding this info. Its a bait and switch to me to show DC4 at a trade show but then forbid vendors from officially stating what is in the set.

Not sure I follow you. How would it be obvious, when you are talking about a showroom, with improved LED lighting vs. last year? Maybe on the bulb ones, but still wouldn't you have to have some really specific scenes to tell the difference?

We already know it isn't even obvious from the service screens what we have here. If they are trying to keep DLP RP viable, why wouldn't they go all out this year? Why would they hold back? I said earlier no DC4 isn't a deal killer for me, but I don't like how they are hiding this info. Its a bait and switch to me to show DC4 at a trade show but then forbid vendors from officially stating what is in the set.

I would tend to agree and it makes no sense

How would it be obvious, when you are talking about a showroom, with improved LED lighting vs. last year? well if we are talking about a difference of 5,000 to one (or 10,000 to one) to 100,000 to one contrast ratio it should be clear as day in a low lit room. I think the issue here is a lack of clear specs but hey if you like PQ thats all that matters :-)

I would tend to agree and it makes no sense

How would it be obvious, when you are talking about a showroom, with improved LED lighting vs. last year? well if we are talking about a difference of 5,000 to one (or 10,000 to one) to 100,000 to one contrast ratio it should be clear as day in a low lit room. I think the issue here is a lack of clear specs but hey if you like PQ thats all that matters :-)


I will take last years picture with a fixed cabinet. I loved the picture of the 6176 (bulb)

However they list a 2,500:1 contrast ratio this year...

Electronics manufacturers pulling a bait and switch? Say it ain't so. ;)

Just dug this up posted by caspianhiro

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13482374



Have some patience, Dark Chip 4 was only announced at CEDIA September '07. TI Press release is on DLP's website

I am finding several front projection DLP sets from Intouch and a couple of others. Looks like most of these were announced Jan to Mar '08.
Gizmodo and Engadget have a decent list, check the dates of the posts:

From what I've read in other posts here, Samsung is pricing their just announced HL61a650 and 750 series at or slightly below the comparable model from last year. Normally, you would expect them to initially be higher, as '07 inventory moves off dealer's floors. Offhand, I can only think of two things that would make Samsung do that. One is the new product enjoys a significant pricing advantage, and the other is you have another, higher end product coming out shortly. You want the 'value' product to get a chance to make some money on its own, then you release the high end product.

And then, there's this post I found at Techreport:

"The reality was that the DarkChip4 display looked noticeably better on total brightness and contrast[...] After all, we were looking at a new light engine slapped into a Samsung LED DLP, complete with electrical tape over the Samsung name. This was brand new, barely-ready-to-show stuff. Even so, the broader color gamut on the newer DLP was readily apparent." After some looking, I could not find the original post this was replying to.

ja.zz?id=306251 <-- this should help you find the referenced post, I can't post URLs yet.

While the above poster was looking at a product that may never see the light of day (see engadgetmobile or any car show for a list of those ) at least somewhere in the world there is a Samsung DLP TV with a little DarkChip4 in it.

Editorial:
The idea that DLP is going away when it is going into almost every movie theater in the US, as well as most/half/lots of the front projectors seems a little fanboyish. DLP offers an excellent picture, good general performance characteristics, and larger screens at exceptional prices. LCD and Plasma are flat, smaller, and have an excellent picture also, and you pay for that. DLP rear projection sets offer an excellent compromise between front projection (wii sucks on this btw) and smaller flat panels (more expensive to replace when you fling the wii controller into it).

Also, TI is using DLP in their pico meter projectors that are being put into some mobile phones.

Besides the 61A750 we put out today, I also put up the 50A650 and must say the cabinet is VERY much changed compared to last year's lamp models.

So many people wanted pictures of the service menu....just wondering where the guys that know what they are looking at went to.

There's been lots and lots of speculation in this thread regarding which TI chip the new A750 models have and talk of contrast ratio, etc., etc. I've called Samsung and was informed it had the DC4 (for what that's worth:rolleyes:), a Magnolia manager called his store's sammy rep for me and the rep said it has the DC4 (for what that's worth too:rolleyes:)

Now I'm not an expert, just an HT enthusiast who is replacing his Sammy, 5th Gen DLP, the HL-4667W (native res 720p) that has provided a GREAT picture with everything I have fed it (digital SD cable, digital HD cable, SD & HD DVD) with the HL61A750. I just went into my SM on the 67W and have logged 1,975 hrs on my original bulb and my display looks as good as the day I set it up. I just finished watching the HD-DVD version of Pan's Labyrinth and my 67W still ROCKS! :)

OK, I'll get to the point. If I'm mistaken (I don't think I am, not totally anyway) someone will chime in. This is my slant on things. The TI Dark Chip is just that, a "black detailer". DLPs with the DC3 or DC4 can have the same stated contrast ratio of 10,000:1, but with the DC4, blacker blacks can be achieved. Combine that with the new Cinema Pure light engine (vs. the Cinema Smooth engine of the 2007 LED series, 89S) in connection with the Phlatlight PT 120 LEDs and you have a brighter picture, more color, etc., etc.

Whether or not the A750 series has the DC4 will remain to be seen when an owner can officially confirm it, but the new Cinema Pure light engine and new LED array should provide a better picture, IMHO.

My A750 is on the way, hopefully I will have it next week. When I do I will report back and provide as much information as I can. I have a Comcast HD Cable box by Moto, Tosh. HD-XA2, Denon AVR-3808ci and a 5.1 speaker array all Polk RTi's with a Klipsch Sub-12 woofer. I will set my cable to out put 1080i and my XA2 for 1080p. If I find the A750 doesn't do a good job at deinterlacing the cable feed, I'll have my 3808ci do it.

Cheers!:D

Clearly you don't understand--

There are some people on this thread--you know who you are--who will be very unhappy if these TVs don't suck :rolleyes:

At my local BB, checked out the 750 against last years 61" and I found that the 750 has a better viewing angle, and no blue hue. Unforunately the sets are not at floor level so I didn't get to play with the casing. FWIW I didn't see much bowing as last years model.
Personaly I think this might be the set I want to replace my trusty old 30" Philips HD-tube. Can't wait for a pro-review.
Best Regards
KvE

I would tend to agree and it makes no sense

How would it be obvious, when you are talking about a showroom, with improved LED lighting vs. last year? well if we are talking about a difference of 5,000 to one (or 10,000 to one) to 100,000 to one contrast ratio it should be clear as day in a low lit room. I think the issue here is a lack of clear specs but hey if you like PQ thats all that matters :-)

Wasn't there a review, posted earlier in this thread, from the only "experts" to actually view a TV with DC4, which stated that the improvement, while impressive on paper, was only very slight in actual viewing.

Sorry, I don't remember the exact source, but I do think it was in this thread.

And let's remember, there are all kinds of ways to measure such specs as CR, watts, horsepower, etc.

Way too much speculation here, not enough facts. :)

I'm in the Fairfax, Va area. Can someone let me know if there's a store (CC/BB) that has the a750 on display? Went to BB in Reston, Va last night but the sales guy said they're not displaying these new series until they have sold out the older models. (though their website says its available for pick up)...

Picked mine up today from circuit city. So far so good. Still waiting on my HD-DVD player to come in the mail as CC didn't have it in stock to have some true HD to test with. I'm limited at the moment to SD cable and DVD over component. No idea where to go in a service menu to confirm/repute the DC4 comments. Any ideas?

I'm in the Fairfax, Va area. Can someone let me know if there's a store (CC/BB) that has the a750 on display? Went to BB in Reston, Va last night but the sales guy said they're not displaying these new series until they have sold out the older models. (though their website says its available for pick up)...

Try a CC. Not sure how BB operates but CC must work reports that require certain TVs to be out on display. Our report wanted the 61A750 out so that is what we did.

Just hooked up the HL50A650. The PQ is amazing. There is now way this thing is 2,500:1 contrast ratio. Now, granted, this thing is replacing my HN4365W, but still it blows it out of the water.

RRR .... I want info on the 67" TV. That's what I want for my townhouse, as big of a rear projection TV as possible and this Sammy is it. My 46" Sony RPTV looks tiny with the 9' ceilings, and the bigger the TV the better. Can't wait on the leather couches to come too.

Now, PLEASE check into the last page on how to access the service menu to get the darkchip4 info. We need to put this damn thing to rest already.

finding the service menu is all fine and dandy. Knowing how to interpret the information is something else all together. Posting 50 pictures for each one of the different options under there is quite a pain in the backside.

By the way I'm just a 58yr old guy looking to buy a new tv and only have the knowledge from google HL61A750 and from reading this thread. I stumbled on this forum while researching.

Me too, but I am 49.

Marty

Its a bait and switch to me to show DC4 at a trade show but then forbid vendors from officially stating what is in the set.

Not completely positive on this, but I believe the trade show display pictures of the DC4 were from the TI booth, not the Samsung booth.

Well folks for what its worth........

I went to my local BB in Tampa today and looked at the 61A750

First thing i checked was build quality , and was i disappointed , that TV is as flimsy as any TV ive come across. Now it may have been just that particular one but it was a joke. It was more flexible than the 6176 sitting right next to it. As for the brighter picture ? NO WAY. Didnt look any brighter than the 6187 sitting accross from it. Were they both on the same settings ? .....Im not sure to be honest , couldnt find a remote.

Im not looking to offend anyone that already bought one but the TV i looked at today fresh out of the box was garbage as far as build quality. I checked both corners and even held base down to see just how much give it had and it wasnt good.

Just my 2 cents from my experience today. I like all of you have been a big fan of Samy as im on my 2nd and was hoping to get a 67 LED. I was very dissapointed :confused:

Not completely positive on this, but I believe the trade show display pictures of the DC4 were from the TI booth, not the Samsung booth.

Exactly. TI brags about DC4 in Vegas, but forbids their partners from advertising the specific model number. Apparently this has been standard practice. The only reason we know they DC3 in them before was from deciphering the service menus.

In one of your previous posts you indicated that you would be okay with last year's tech if the price was good. At the xxx750's worst they are equivalent to the xxx89S models. And currently they have far better pricing over those older models (but not over Amazon's clearance sale prices though!). You should be happy.

The 650's are bulb based? I'm shocked this tech didn't go away and now you can't get a 50" LED model? I had a HLS5087 bulb set that got replaced 2 times and gave me nothing but problems. Samsung replaced it with a HLT5087 LED set last August and its been awesome. I also own a LNT4065 LCD set only because another HLT5087 wouldn't have fit in my computer room.

Bottom line for me: If i had to replace my 50" set it would be with LCD and not the 650 bulb based line.

Just my 2cents.

P.S. I also like the LED over the bulb sets because they turn on to full brightness 20 secs faster and you can actually turn them on and off without waiting for a bulb to cool down. I evidently have no patience. =)