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kagala
01-07-08, 10:45 AM
I just bought a Samsung LNT4061F LCD TV. I have connected my (regular)360 to it using component and vga. I believe vga is the better choice as the picture looks cleaner to me.

Questions:
1. I am using VGA - 1920x1080 as the resolution on the 360. I assume that this setting is the same as 1080p. Is that a correct assumption?
2. If the game doesnt support 1080p and instead supports 720p then what is being displayed on my tv? IE: Game supports 720p (60fps) and Im using 1920x1080 as my resolution. Is the game still running at 1920x1080 @ 60fps?
3. Not that its entirely important but why cant I choose 1360x768 or 1280x720 on my xbox? The TV tells me that these are not supported resolutions. How does the TV run 720p then? And why can I run 640x480 or any of the other less used resolutions and not the popular 720p resolution?
4. Does the XBOX's guide blade just look worse than the rest of the dashboard? The dashboard looks crystal clear everywhere but if you press the guide button the gray guide blade's text looks "fuzzy". It just doesnt look the same as the dashboard. Whats going on here? Is this normal behavior? Is the guide blade native to another resolution?

Any answers will be much appreciated.

KamikazeNY
01-07-08, 11:09 AM
I have the same TV as you and I have my 360 connected via HDMI at 1080p and it looks great. Does your xbox have an HDMI port? Even if it doesn't, I think the Sammy accepts 1080p over component. Does VGA really look that much better?

Also, something to consider when choosing your resolution is that there aren't any games that render at 1920x1080. Most can't even handle a 720p resolution. Halo 3 for example renders at 1152x640. All games are then upscaled to whatever your output resolution is, so the most important thing is to choose the highest progressive output you have. 1080p > 720p > 1080i. And the only reason 1080p output might be slightly better then 720p is because that's your TV's native resolution so the image will only have to be scaled once, compared to being scaled up to 720p and then scaled up to 1080p by the TV.

I haven't seen any fuzzy text on the guide like you described.

Evan S
01-07-08, 11:19 AM
I have the same TV as you and I have my 360 connected via HDMI at 1080p and it looks great. Does your xbox have an HDMI port? Even if it doesn't, I think the Sammy accepts 1080p over component. Does VGA really look that much better?

Also, something to consider when choosing your resolution is that there aren't any games that render at 1920x1080. Most can't even handle a 720p resolution. Halo 3 for example renders at 1152x640. All games are then upscaled to whatever your output resolution is, so the most important thing is to choose the highest progressive output you have. 1080p > 720p > 1080i. And the only reason 1080p output might be slightly better then 720p is because that's your TV's native resolution so the image will only have to be scaled once, compared to being scaled up to 720p and then scaled up to 1080p by the TV.

I haven't seen any fuzzy text on the guide like you described.

While the Sammy may accept 1080P over component, due to legal reasons the XBox 360 does not output 1080P over component. If you don't have an HDMI capable 360 (and I don't) you have to output over VGA if you want to get full 1080P. Yes, 1920x1080 is full 1080P and I have the Sammy LN-T4661F, the same model as you but just the 46" version. By the way, my guide doesn't look fuzzy and I can get the 360 to run 640x480. In fact, when I first hooked up my box using VGA the default resolution was 640x480. I had to change it to 1920x1080 using the system blade.

Hope that helps. Not sure why your TV says the other resolutions are not supported. Mine seems to have no issues.

kagala
01-07-08, 11:23 AM
While the Sammy may accept 1080P over component, due to legal reasons the XBox 360 does not output 1080P over component. If you don't have an HDMI capable 360 (and I don't) you have to output over VGA if you want to get full 1080P. Yes, 1920x1080 is full 1080P and I have the Sammy LN-T4661F, the same model as you but just the 46" version. By the way, my guide doesn't look fuzzy and I can get the 360 to run 640x480. In fact, when I first hooked up my box using VGA the default resolution was 640x480. I had to change it to 1920x1080 using the system blade.

Hope that helps. Not sure why your TV says the other resolutions are not supported. Mine seems to have no issues.

Have you tried 1280x720 or 1360x768? My post states that I can run 640x480 and some of the other less used resolutions. The 360 does support 1080p over component and has since I believe last year's spring update.

Evan S
01-07-08, 12:42 PM
Have you tried 1280x720 or 1360x768? My post states that I can run 640x480 and some of the other less used resolutions. The 360 does support 1080p over component and has since I believe last year's spring update.

Interesting given the fact that E on Major Nelson's podcast distinctly said not two weeks ago that the system does NOT support 1080P over component. If that's the case then I wasted $20 on a VGA cable.

I have not tried those two resolutions but will when I get home tonight.

kagala
01-07-08, 01:16 PM
Interesting given the fact that E on Major Nelson's podcast distinctly said not two weeks ago that the system does NOT support 1080P over component. If that's the case then I wasted $20 on a VGA cable.

I have not tried those two resolutions but will when I get home tonight.

I ran 1080p using component on my 4061 so I know it works. Not sure what you heard. Maybe he was referring to the SD-DVD not upscaling when using component. VGA upscales to 1080p but component does not but that only applies to SD-DVD playback. Try the component cables... I could tell that the dashboard changed sharpness when I switched to VGA. Make sure Home Theater PC is on in your settings. You shouldnt be able to run 1360x768 or 1280x720 because our tv's are basically the same minus the size. I think it might have some limitation on input resolutions using the VGA port. If you could .. can you take a close up shot of your xbox guide blade so I can see what the text on yours looks like?

Thanks!

chrisherbert
01-07-08, 01:25 PM
The Xbox 360 will output 1080p over component for games ONLY. DVDs are limited to 480p, and HD-DVDs are limited to 1080i.

To answer the OP's questions:

1) Yes, 1920x1080 is the same as 1080p.

2) If the game doesn't render in 1080p (and virtually no games do), then the Xbox will upscale to 1080p. The xbox's scaler is quite good, and you will still get all 60fps of information.

3) Not sure why you can't choose 1360x768, since I think your TV does support those resolutions via VGA. It's not a big deal, though. I'd just leave it at 1080p.

4) The guide blade does look a little blockier than the full dashboard to me too. I don't know if it's at a lower resolution or just using different fonts or a different anti-aliasing method, but it's a little less sharp. No big deal in my opinion.

milin_im
01-07-08, 02:54 PM
I have the 4065F and component looks better to me because you can change a lot more settings. Using the 360 with HDMI is better than both though on my display.

Frofat
01-19-08, 04:27 PM
Hey I just got this TV and I am getting many jagged edges (Especially on HALO 3, Some on Mass Effect, The Orange Box, and Gears) on XBOX 360 1080p and HDMI. Is this my TV or is there something wrong. MY firmware is Aug 24, 2007.

Evoex
01-19-08, 04:37 PM
Hey I just got this TV and I am getting many jagged edges (Especially on HALO 3, Some on Mass Effect, The Orange Box, and Gears) on XBOX 360 1080p and HDMI. Is this my TV or is there something wrong. MY firmware is Aug 24, 2007.

Have you calibrated it?

Frofat
01-19-08, 04:49 PM
Would calibration really remove jaggies? Does yours have jaggies? Well if it does do you have a recommended disc to calibrate it? Sorry for all the dumb questions.

number1laing
01-19-08, 06:23 PM
Nothing removes "jaggies". It's an artifact of the rendering process. Some games, most maybe, employ "anti-aliasing" which is an algorithm which smoothes out those lines but if that does not completely eliminate anything. Halo 3 does not employ AA AFAIK, what you see is what you get. I think that analog like component does "soften" the lines a teeny bit, HDMI is sharper so "jaggies" will be more noticeable I suppose.

Frofat
01-23-08, 10:57 PM
Does anybody with the same TV notice any 'Jaggies' on games. I need to know because I might return it.

formulanerd
01-24-08, 12:37 AM
Does anybody with the same TV notice any 'Jaggies' on games. I need to know because I might return it.

it's not your tv, all games have jaggies (some more than others) and it's completely normal.

if you have a sharpness setting(aka edge enhancement) make sure it's not cranked up, its going to make the jaggies look more apparent.

like someone else said, vga and hdmi give a more true, real, picture, well true to the source anyway, and if the source has jaggies, your display will show this.

component naturally blurs the picture a little, so the image make look more smooth, with less jaggies.

Frofat
02-06-08, 11:01 PM
Are you guys saying that even the very high priced (2500)+ Tv's even have jagged lines? I have just tried component and it was 100x worse. Would Calibrating my set get rid of these?

Zero HD
02-07-08, 01:23 AM
While the Sammy may accept 1080P over component, due to legal reasons the XBox 360 does not output 1080P over component. If you don't have an HDMI capable 360 (and I don't) you have to output over VGA if you want to get full 1080P. Yes, 1920x1080 is full 1080P and I have the Sammy LN-T4661F, the same model as you but just the 46" version. By the way, my guide doesn't look fuzzy and I can get the 360 to run 640x480. In fact, when I first hooked up my box using VGA the default resolution was 640x480. I had to change it to 1920x1080 using the system blade.

Hope that helps. Not sure why your TV says the other resolutions are not supported. Mine seems to have no issues.

The Xbox DOES output 1080p over component, and the Samsung CAN accept it, only HD-DVD's are 1080i over component.

deedubbadoo
02-07-08, 10:02 AM
Are you guys saying that even the very high priced (2500)+ Tv's even have jagged lines? I have just tried component and it was 100x worse. Would Calibrating my set get rid of these?

It is not the TV that has the jaggies, it is the textures in the game models. I have the 4661F and yes some games have jaggies. As far as calibration goes I would go to the LCD Flat Panel forum and look for the thread title Samsung LN-TXX61,65 Calibration thread and try some of their suggestions. I started with a couple as baselines and then tweaked them to my specific tastes. It will give you a good starting point. Hope that helps.

wuzup101
02-07-08, 01:46 PM
As others have said, the jaggies are not from your TV. That is how the game is rendered, and it's just something you have to live with on certain games (H3 is one of them). You could buy yourself a $6,000 kuro, and you would still have jaggies... the TV is just displaying what you send it. You may be able to make them a bit less pronounced by changing your settings around.

Also to note: I don't have my 360 calibrated (attached via VGA to my 4065F). I don't use it for movies, and like games to have a bit more punch! However, I can tell you that there are plenty of games that are free of jaggies (Halo3 just seems to be particularly bad in that department). In any case, it's not the TV...