Early adopters usually do finance the development of new technologies. This is nothing new. The first CD players and VCRs were well over $1K. The first DLP, plasma, LCD, and LCoS units that Mits made were even more "overpriced" than laservue. There is no inherent "right" to cheap technology. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Mitsubishi will not have tons of these in warehouses when the new model comes out like they ended up with for the $18K 82" LCoS set. There are still not enough to provide dealers with what they can sell. There are only two dealers in FL who even have demos.

Early adopters usually do finance the development of new technologies. This is nothing new. The first CD players and VCRs were well over $1K. The first DLP, plasma, LCD, and LCoS units that Mits made were even more "overpriced" than laservue. There is no inherent "right" to cheap technology. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Mitsubishi will not have tons of these in warehouses when the new model comes out like they ended up with for the $18K 82" LCoS set. There are still not enough to provide dealers with what they can sell. There are only two dealers in FL who even have demos.

Can you tell me if there is any demo in south Florida ? I didn't find any in Miami area. Thanks.

The reps mentioned that there is a dealer in S FL but I don't know who it is. I'd call mits and ask, and if you don't get a good answer I can find out for you.

The reps mentioned that there is a dealer in S FL but I don't know who it is. I'd call mits and ask, and if you don't get a good answer I can find out for you.

Thanks. I know the Mitsubishi Regional Manager and will ask him. Brandsmart is the only Diamond dealer but they didn't have the LV last week.

Not all diamond dealers are getting them. They said that they picked the ones that they felt were most likely to be able to sell a product like this. He said that he just got allocation for the region and supplies would remain limited so they would not ship to very many dealers.

Early adopters usually do finance the development of new technologies. This is nothing new. The first CD players and VCRs were well over $1K. The first DLP, plasma, LCD, and LCoS units that Mits made were even more "overpriced" than laservue. There is no inherent "right" to cheap technology. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Mitsubishi will not have tons of these in warehouses when the new model comes out like they ended up with for the $18K 82" LCoS set. There are still not enough to provide dealers with what they can sell. There are only two dealers in FL who even have demos.
Yes, I bought one of those first CD players (made by Sony, incidentally). It worked right up to the day I replaced it with Sony CD changer. Those first CD players were an order of magnitude better than vinyl to anyone other than a high end audiophile. The 70" Qualia TV was an order of magnitude better than anything else available at the time--Dec 2003 and with size being considered. I was willing to pay the price with the idea that the TV would be unlikely to be significantly surpassed for a good 10 years. What I didn't plan on was an inherrent design fault that would render the TV unusable before that lifespan, and Sony walking away from it's High-end Qualia brand. The Sony of 1974 (or even 1994) is not the Sony of today. I'm going to show the same loyalty to the TV makers of today as they seem to show to we consumers. Early adopters paid more, but we got products that gave value for money. I don't think that is true anymore, so I've stopped being an early adopter. I figure I'll have a final OB replacement used up on my Q006 by the time Sony's 70" LCD has been out for 3 years and is sub $6K, and Mits is on it's third generation (hopefully) Laservue in a 70"-plus size before I'll have to decide what I'll buy next.

Yes, I bought one of those first CD players (made by Sony, incidentally). It worked right up to the day I replaced it with Sony CD changer. Those first CD players were an order of magnitude better than vinyl to anyone other than a high end audiophile. The 70" Qualia TV was an order of magnitude better than anything else available at the time--Dec 2003 and with size being considered. I was willing to pay the price with the idea that the TV would be unlikely to be significantly surpassed for a good 10 years. What I didn't plan on was an inherrent design fault that would render the TV unusable before that lifespan, and Sony walking away from it's High-end Qualia brand. The Sony of 1974 (or even 1994) is not the Sony of today. I'm going to show the same loyalty to the TV makers of today as they seem to show to we consumers. Early adopters paid more, but we got products that gave value for money. I don't think that is true anymore, so I've stopped being an early adopter. I figure I'll have a final OB replacement used up on my Q006 by the time Sony's 70" LCD has been out for 3 years and is sub $6K, and Mits is on it's third generation (hopefully) Laservue in a 70"-plus size before I'll have to decide what I'll buy next.


"Hopefully" is the key word when talking about a third generation LV.

Everyone talks about the quality of today vs. yesterday.. I have a few thoughts about that.. With all the companies of the world looking to make the quick dollar, they have forgotten about quality. Everyone knows that buying a product for quality now days is taking a gamble. Everything from serious cameras (DLSR's), to satellite navigation is subject to an experation date (60+ dollar map upgrades). When times get good, everyone is just out to make a buck.. I hope that with the recession that we as a world begin to understand the importance of quality manufacturing. Remember when a TV would last 10+years? That was at the beginning of the cycle of prosperity. Now that we are at the end of the cycle, things don't seem to last more than a few years or so without a problem. The car companies took notice of this a bit too late, but at what cost? Three HUGE manufacturing giants are now grappling with bankruptcy and extinction. Hopefully we are at a turning point to where quality will be more important than quantity again.. If your 2000 dollar + equipment is still working at the end of 2012, keep buying from them, if not - then we know they have sold out. I have bought 3 products that were supposed to be outstanding for their reliablity, only to have been surprised by how short their lifetime actually was.

My point on this whole subject is that companies are scrambling at this very moment to save themselves. Be very cautious about what you buy during these times, you may end up buying the worst things they have ever produced..

"Hopefully" is the key word when talking about a third generation LV.

The tier 2 energy star label standards phase in 2010, and tier 3 in 2012. The new standards require significant reductions in "power on" consumption. Heretofore, the energy star labels were mostly concerned with "standby" power consumption. Lamp-based RPTV's will never qualify. Plasma probably can't qualify. LCD sets greater than 50" will require LED backlighting to qualify, and there will be an upper limit to the size that can qualify. Until OLED becomes commercially feasible, If we are going to have a 70"-plus displays after 2012, they will have to be an RPTV with either LCD or laser-based lighting. So, I would say that Mits has a big incentive to continue development of the laservue technology if they are interested in continuing to manufacture large screen TV's. While the energy star labels are voluntary, I doubt that any major manufacturer is going to forego them for any mass market product. Perhaps a niche product, but not anything that's going to be sold in a big box.

BUMP. I'm bumping this because the lack of comment/interest on this bust of a product line is amazing to me. I was in a retailer this past weekend that sells LV and was told that sales are almost non-exsistant. Does anyone have access to Mits sales on this product??

BUMP. I'm bumping this because the lack of comment/interest on this bust of a product line is amazing to me. I was in a retailer this past weekend that sells LV and was told that sales are almost non-exsistant. Does anyone have access to Mits sales on this product??

Went to two adjacent large tv dealers in my area. Both said the same thing. They both sold a few as soon as the 65 inchers were released, then nothing. One salesman said that a few of his wealthier customers are now waiting for the 75 incher to be released.

I asked him if he was sure about the size. He admitted he heard it on the internet.I asked him about the projected release date of any sized LV since it's been over a year since the release of the first version. He said he had no idea and that since he has potential customers for the 75 inchers he has been asking his Mitsubishi rep. He has gotten no reply as no one at Mitsubishi is talking.

Went to two adjacent large tv dealers in my area. Both said the same thing. They both sold a few as soon as the 65 inchers were released, then nothing. One salesman said that a few of his wealthier customers are now waiting for the 75 incher to be released.

I asked him if he was sure about the size. He admitted he heard it on the internet.I asked him about the projected release date of any sized LV since it's been over a year since the release of the first version. He said he had no idea and that since he has potential customers for the 75 inchers he has been asking his Mitsubishi rep. He has gotten no reply as no one at Mitsubishi is talking.

Mind-boggling! You have to wonder if ANYONE is at the controls of this company. I was a big supporter of Mits going back many years. The 46231 I purchaed several years ago is still a great buy and has been flawless. But the strategy they have employed regarding this once promising technology is confusing and borders on insane. A text book example on how to turn a company irrelevant.

I have a feeling that we won't see any Laservue at all next year. DLPs are dead and there are few supporters now because there is no alternative for 73 or 82 ". With 3 new 65" flat screens now in the market (Sony/Samsung LCDs and Panasonic plasma) I doubt there will be any market for the fat DLPs next year. I have a 73927 and will be replacing it with a plasma very soon, either now with the 65 or next year when hopefully a larger set will be available at decent price. The picture quality of a DLP is no match for a plasma and there are reports from many people who saw the LV that it's just a DLP without bulb and much more vivid colors (or "unnatural" colors ?)

I have a feeling that we won't see any Laservue at all next year. DLPs are dead and there are few supporters now because there is no alternative for 73 or 82 ". With 3 new 65" flat screens now in the market (Sony/Samsung LCDs and Panasonic plasma) I doubt there will be any market for the fat DLPs next year. I have a 73927 and will be replacing it with a plasma very soon, either now with the 65 or next year when hopefully a larger set will be available at decent price. The picture quality of a DLP is no match for a plasma and there are reports from many people who saw the LV that it's just a DLP without bulb and much more vivid colors (or "unnatural" colors ?)

Depends on Costs, Quality, & Reviews... Now if You want a good - best Big screen Mits is still doing good size & price. Laservue for top of line but don't think they made it a Diamond Yet ? OK, remember everyone said We all will go to Plasma ? Wait Pioneer Elite is stoping production & a Standard for Years as best in Plasma? Sony's best & biggest is 55 inch XBR 8 LCD last 2 Years now stoped production. Everybody said they used to make 60 & 70 inch. So they made a 70 LCD at $ 20,000. Click on most popular set on Sony web 70 inch is last... So Your right 3 more on the market they got the message. But cost always wins in the long run for competition with size of screen for average buyer. Most in AVS I think wait for Reviews & Quality...

I have a feeling that we won't see any Laservue at all next year. DLPs are dead and there are few supporters now because there is no alternative for 73 or 82 ". With 3 new 65" flat screens now in the market (Sony/Samsung LCDs and Panasonic plasma) I doubt there will be any market for the fat DLPs next year. I have a 73927 and will be replacing it with a plasma very soon, either now with the 65 or next year when hopefully a larger set will be available at decent price. The picture quality of a DLP is no match for a plasma and there are reports from many people who saw the LV that it's just a DLP without bulb and much more vivid colors (or "unnatural" colors ?)

Don't know what you mean by this year. Recent post (I think on this thread) claimed that before the end of the year not only would there be another 65 incher but a 75 incher as well. What made it all the more credible were the details of the new models. If memory serves each size had two models. The "low" one was a 120hz set and the "high" one was a 240hz set. This surprised me because of the current 60hz capacity of the current models. (yes I know that they claim the smooth 120hz but also know the trick that they are playing) This led me to believe that maby they are going to get a new chip. I understand that in theater cinema projectors ti does in fact use three (true 1080) chips. However a forum member thought that it was possible to use the same darkchip4 (currently used) for both the 120hz and 240hz. If so wouldn't this extend the life of these? If ti does have a true 1080 chip and is willing to sell it to Mitsubishi wouldn't a presumably better picture extend the life of these sets???

Except around here, most people don't understand the concept of picture quality.

Except around here, most people don't understand the concept of picture quality.

True. That's why all sets are at vivid (torch) mode on any Bestbuy.

Looks like an official price drop just happened today. Probably getting ready to announce the new models and prices.

http://www.i4u.com/article26494.html

Looks like an official price drop just happened today. Probably getting ready to announce the new models and prices.

http://www.i4u.com/article26494.html

Still about 3G too much:rolleyes:

Looks like an official price drop just happened today. Probably getting ready to announce the new models and prices.

http://www.i4u.com/article26494.html

That is a small step in the right direction, but still too expensive for my wallet, particularly for a 1st generation set. $6K for a 70+" second generation television may be something I can get my wife to buy in on.

That is a small step in the right direction, but still too expensive for my wallet, particularly for a 1st generation set. $6K for a 70+" second generation television may be something I can get my wife to buy in on.

In late June, I saw them for sale at $4500 (and they still are at that store) - see my July 1 post for slightly more info. Thats still a little expensive - I think the first digit needs to be a 3 before they're approaching reasonable. But $4500 sounds a lot better than $6000.

-Reid

In late June, I saw them for sale at $4500 (and they still are at that store) - see my July 1 post for slightly more info. Thats still a little expensive - I think the first digit needs to be a 3 before they're approaching reasonable. But $4500 sounds a lot better than $6000.

-Reid

Agreed about that price starting with a 3. Especially since Sony is listing on their Sony Style website a 65 inch for 4999. The KDL65W5100 also has 7 hd inputs.

I have a feeling that we won't see any Laservue at all next year. DLPs are dead and there are few supporters now because there is no alternative for 73 or 82 ". With 3 new 65" flat screens now in the market (Sony/Samsung LCDs and Panasonic plasma) I doubt there will be any market for the fat DLPs next year. I have a 73927 and will be replacing it with a plasma very soon, either now with the 65 or next year when hopefully a larger set will be available at decent price. The picture quality of a DLP is no match for a plasma and there are reports from many people who saw the LV that it's just a DLP without bulb and much more vivid colors (or "unnatural" colors ?)There is also a widely-held opinion that the plasmas have the most artifacting of all displays--artifacts that are inherent to the display technology and appear similar to quantization error noise. Some of us prefer anything other than a plasma. Plus, you can fry an egg on most of them, so figure another grand in power costs over the life of the set.

I'm not sure about "dead" for DLPs, I just compared PQ between the 65" Mitsu DLP and the 65" Mitsu Laservue, and the DLP won, hands down. The only difference was that from very close, there are artifacts not seen in the DLP (of course no one would watch from this close). It might be that the pixel fill factor is better on the DLPs than on the Laservue. From a proper viewing distance the ability of the Laservue to compensate for this due to it's inherent brightness may make it a moot point, but certainly the Laservue has no visible PQ improvement over the DLP, and is not even a tiny evolutionary PQ improvement over any other TV out there, although revolutionary in how much it will set you back.

A 65" DLP at $1799 is pretty attractive compared to a 65" Laservue at $6197 (although I hear rumors of a recent price drop) or even their FP 65"-er at $3999. Were I in the market today, I would likely take home the DLP and pocket the other $4400. Plus, it's 3D-ready. (prices listed from the local Fry's this week)

The downside of DLP is still the same, although I detected no rainbows or color motion artifacts (cough Samsung! cough) in the recent models compared to those from a few years ago. I also do not think microdisplays as a technology hold up very well compared to FPs. But if you are not expecting to place the unit on a wall (never) or to place it in a wide seating area (not a problem here), this DLP has direct-on PQ that rivals anything else out there, IMHO. The off-axis falloff is not all that bad, either compared to older DLPs. There is that damned bulb issue, though.

About the Laservue's supposed ability to reproduce a wider gamut of colors, that is pure hype, even if true. There is a very simple reason, which is that the color gamut of HD video is already limited to below the capability of garden-variety HDTVs, so increasing the ability to display a wider gamut can't in any way actually increase the viewable color gamut beyond what we all already have, making that a zero-sum game. IOW, the bottleneck is not at the display, it's at the source--something which will not change for a very long time. The color gamut of HD is identical to that of NTSC in the first place--nothing to write home about.

There is also a widely-held opinion that the plasmas have the most artifacting of all displays--artifacts that are inherent to the display technology and appear similar to quantization error noise. Some of us prefer anything other than a plasma. Plus, you can fry an egg on most of them, so figure another grand in power costs over the life of the set.

I'm not sure about "dead" for DLPs, I just compared PQ between the 65" Mitsu DLP and the 65" Mitsu Laservue, and the DLP won, hands down. The only difference was that from very close, there are artifacts not seen in the DLP (of course no one would watch from this close). It might be that the pixel fill factor is better on the DLPs than on the Laservue. From a proper viewing distance the ability of the Laservue to compensate for this due to it's inherent brightness may make it a moot point, but certainly the Laservue has no visible PQ improvement over the DLP, and is not even a tiny evolutionary PQ improvement over any other TV out there, although revolutionary in how much it will set you back.

A 65" DLP at $1799 is pretty attractive compared to a 65" Laservue at $6197 (although I hear rumors of a recent price drop) or even their FP 65"-er at $3999. Were I in the market today, I would likely take home the DLP and pocket the other $4400. Plus, it's 3D-ready. (prices listed from the local Fry's this week)

The downside of DLP is still the same, although I detected no rainbows or color motion artifacts (cough Samsung! cough) in the recent models compared to those from a few years ago. I also do not think microdisplays as a technology hold up very well compared to FPs. But if you are not expecting to place the unit on a wall (never) or to place it in a wide seating area (not a problem here), this DLP has direct-on PQ that rivals anything else out there, IMHO. The off-axis falloff is not all that bad, either compared to older DLPs. There is that damned bulb issue, though.

About the Laservue's supposed ability to reproduce a wider gamut of colors, that is pure hype, even if true. There is a very simple reason, which is that the color gamut of HD video is already limited to below the capability of garden-variety HDTVs, so increasing the ability to display a wider gamut can't in any way actually increase the viewable color gamut beyond what we all already have, making that a zero-sum game. IOW, the bottleneck is not at the display, it's at the source--something which will not change for a very long time. The color gamut of HD is identical to that of NTSC in the first place--nothing to write home about.

The LV is also a DLP.

Tomcat

Good post and I can mostly agree with you. I just got my Panasonic P65V10 to replace the 73927 and the picture is way much better, IMO. I couldn't watch the Mitsu in bright mode (picture was plain bad) and in "normal" mode it was too soft for daily viewing. I know people who don't like plasma and prefer LCDs but I'm yet to see anybody who would take a DLP instead of a plasma or LCD at the same price and size. DLPs are alive because they are cheap and big and I think those are very important factors, no doubt.

Don't be surprised if Mitsubishi comes up with a large flat screen TV with different technology, perhaps using laser. They know that the market now became smaller for DLPs , after a tremendous price reduction on flat screen in the last 2 years.

We Americans are lucky because most of us have enough space in our homes but for the rest of the world a flat screen became a must. Don't forget the decisions are made first in Japan, a country where the average living room has the size of a 82837.

...I'm not sure about "dead" for DLPs, I just compared PQ between the 65" Mitsu DLP and the 65" Mitsu Laservue, and the DLP won, hands down. The only difference was that from very close, there are artifacts not seen in the DLP (of course no one would watch from this close). It might be that the pixel fill factor is better on the DLPs than on the Laservue. From a proper viewing distance the ability of the Laservue to compensate for this due to it's inherent brightness may make it a moot point, but certainly the Laservue has no visible PQ improvement over the DLP, and is not even a tiny evolutionary PQ improvement over any other TV out there, although revolutionary in how much it will set you back.

As ck007 points out, the underlying microdisplay component of both sets is the same basic technology (although I'm not absolutely sure they use the exact same DLP panel). That said, its interesting if you saw PQ differences between the two sets. Perhaps expectations do impact perception.

The downside of DLP is still the same, although I detected no rainbows or color motion artifacts (cough Samsung! cough) in the recent models compared to those from a few years ago. I also do not think microdisplays as a technology hold up very well compared to FPs. ... There is that damned bulb issue, though.

There are 3 DLP light sources in use today: an incandescent bulb, an LED, and the Laservue's lasers. The bulb is the oldest, and required a color wheel (for single panel applications). This approach had two primary problems: gradual dimming/color drift of the bulb, and rainbow effect. The LED eliminated the need for the color wheel, has a *much* longer and more stable life (less color drift and dimming over time), and purer color than an incandescent bulb. The laser is the latest light source. Very pure color, incredible brightness, no color drift, no dimming. It all sounds good. The laservue I've seen looks amazing.

When you say you "do not think microdisplays ... hold up very well", are you talking about reliability? I think the reality is that the DLP panels are pretty much bulletproof. There's no burn-in, and extremely low stuck/dead pixel incidence. I believe they tend to dramatically outperform LCD's and Plasma's from that perspective.

About the Laservue's supposed ability to reproduce a wider gamut of colors, that is pure hype, even if true. There is a very simple reason, which is that the color gamut of HD video is already limited to below the capability of garden-variety HDTVs, so increasing the ability to display a wider gamut can't in any way actually increase the viewable color gamut beyond what we all already have, making that a zero-sum game. IOW, the bottleneck is not at the display, it's at the source--something which will not change for a very long time.

I'm not so sure. People said that about 3-D just a few years ago. DVD's encoded 480p long before 480p displays were common. HD displays became commonplace before much HD source material was available - in fact it spawned a generation of upconversion products. HDMI 1.3 supports "deep color". So the source material doesn't really need to match the displays. I'd argue that 1080p is "good enough" for most home use. I expect manufacturers will continue to push this, regardless of source resolution, but only to the point where customers can discern a difference. Personally, I think there's more differentiation possible, and sellable, in improved color gamut. And lasers have an advantage there. I guess we'll see. :)

Just my 2 cents.
-Reid

As ck007 points out, the underlying microdisplay component of both sets is the same basic technology (although I'm not absolutely sure they use the exact same DLP panel). That said, its interesting if you saw PQ differences between the two sets. Perhaps expectations do impact perception.



There are 3 DLP light sources in use today: an incandescent bulb, an LED, and the Laservue's lasers. The bulb is the oldest, and required a color wheel (for single panel applications). This approach had two primary problems: gradual dimming/color drift of the bulb, and rainbow effect. The LED eliminated the need for the color wheel, has a *much* longer and more stable life (less color drift and dimming over time), and purer color than an incandescent bulb. The laser is the latest light source. Very pure color, incredible brightness, no color drift, no dimming. It all sounds good. The laservue I've seen looks amazing.

When you say you "do not think microdisplays ... hold up very well", are you talking about reliability? I think the reality is that the DLP panels are pretty much bulletproof. There's no burn-in, and extremely low stuck/dead pixel incidence. I believe they tend to dramatically outperform LCD's and Plasma's from that perspective.



I'm not so sure. People said that about 3-D just a few years ago. DVD's encoded 480p long before 480p displays were common. HD displays became commonplace before much HD source material was available - in fact it spawned a generation of upconversion products. HDMI 1.3 supports "deep color". So the source material doesn't really need to match the displays. I'd argue that 1080p is "good enough" for most home use. I expect manufacturers will continue to push this, regardless of source resolution, but only to the point where customers can discern a difference. Personally, I think there's more differentiation possible, and sellable, in improved color gamut. And lasers have an advantage there. I guess we'll see. :)

Just my 2 cents.
-Reid

And the clear winner is....

LED, of course, as the cost effective and dazzling light source of choice, not just for DLP, but all comers.

Hands down over plasma or LCD when you consider size, price, quality, low power consumption, and long life.

It's a no-brainer.

That's right, i have no brain.... :D

Agreed about that price starting with a 3. Especially since Sony is listing on their Sony Style website a 65 inch for 4999. The KDL65W5100 also has 7 hd inputs.

a mits drop on a laservue.... big dealo........NOT! very little interest on it at all.

bb has the new 65" s10 panny plamsa for $2700, who needs a sony for $5k or the mits for $6K price reduced or not.

wonder if the new big screens in Jerry Jones new stadium are laservue???? at 160' x 72' that would be alot of lasering. the punters are already hitting the bottom of them so I wonder if mits will not cover the warranty due to abuse, LOL:rolleyes:

When you say you "do not think microdisplays ... hold up very well", are you talking about reliability?
He wrote "I also do not think microdisplays as a technology hold up very well compared to FPs" (emphasis mine) so he's suggesting that DLP's don't hold up very well to well um DLP's as at least some front projectors use DLP technology.

He wrote "I also do not think microdisplays as a technology hold up very well compared to FPs" (emphasis mine) so he's suggesting that DLP's don't hold up very well to well um DLP's as at least some front projectors use DLP technology.

So I read FP as Flat Panels, 'cause I didn't know how to interpret the sentence if it meant Front Projector.

So, I still don't what he meant... :confused: Specifically, what does "hold up" mean? "look as good", "last longer", etc?

-Reid

So I read FP as Flat Panels, 'cause I didn't know how to interpret the sentence if it meant Front Projector.

So, I still don't what he meant... :confused: Specifically, what does "hold up" mean? "look as good", "last longer", etc?
Actually you may be right - FP could mean either, but flat panel probably makes more sense. Typically when someone says "hold up to" in this context they're talking about picture quality not things like durability.

a mits drop on a laservue.... big dealo........NOT! very little interest on it at all.

bb has the new 65" s10 panny plamsa for $2700, who needs a sony for $5k or the mits for $6K price reduced or not.

wonder if the new big screens in Jerry Jones new stadium are laservue???? at 160' x 72' that would be alot of lasering. the punters are already hitting the bottom of them so I wonder if mits will not cover the warranty due to abuse, LOL:rolleyes:

With 65 panny plasmas at that price point, Laservue is a dead duck;)

With 65 panny plasmas at that price point, Laservue is a dead duck;)

The current LV is already dead and my hunch is no new LV DLP at all, despite some specsheets that circulated here about the 75 and 82". I don't think, however, Mtsubishi will leave the TV business. Maybe they can use laser on a flat panel ? What I know for sure is what the market now dictates: Flat is beaultiful, cheap is also beaultiful, flat and cheap is wonderful.

How would you use laser on a flat panel? Mitsubishi continues to claim that new Laservue product is coming. I continue to hear late 2010. I would be very surprised if the sales people would be passing that info on if it was not true. Mitsubishi is one of the most tight companies I know about releasing information and when they do, it is usually accurate, in general, if not with respect to time frames.

You mean fit on the head of a pin? :)

You mean fit on the head of a pin? :)

No but maybe they can make the current model even flatter. They already claim it can be hung on the wall, don't they ?

With 65 panny plasmas at that price point, Laservue is a dead duck;)

Wow...I think that is a big deal...I remember 65" units were the first displays in the stores that really had an impact on me with regard to their size and back then it was available only with projectors...

[QUOTE=lcaillo;17084029]Mitsubishi continues to claim that new Laservue product is coming. I continue to hear late 2010.

No way, no how. I'm not disputing this is what they are telling you, but it will never happen. I'd say there is a very good chance 2010 will be the last we see of RPTV.

You mean fit on the head of a pin? :)

No, I said exactly what I meant. :)

[QUOTE=lcaillo;17084029]Mitsubishi continues to claim that new Laservue product is coming. I continue to hear late 2010.

No way, no how. I'm not disputing this is what they are telling you, but it will never happen. I'd say there is a very good chance 2010 will be the last we see of RPTV.

It is certainly possible that you are correct, but my experience with Mitsubishi tells me differently. Why are some so ready to close the door on RPTV? It may be a niche, but until prices on large panels come down more, it still has a place in the market.

Laservue has been a success already for Mitsubishi. They are selling tons of the lamp based sets off of it, and they won't end up with warehouses full of them like the LCOS set.

...Why are some so ready to close the door on RPTV? It may be a niche, but until prices on large panels come down more, it still has a place in the market...

I have to agree. Everyone knows that RPTV has lost the mass market, but premium LCoS and 3-chip DLP front-projectors are so good that I can definitely see a place for using the same projectors in a line of premium home theatre RP monitors, possibly with LED lighting rather than laser. They might be marketed to installers rather than home-owners. Volumes would not have to be high to be profitable since all the costly bits come from existing hardware.

No, I said exactly what I meant. :)

Well, alrighty then... :D

Late 2010? The TV guys at Mitsubishi are smoking crack if they think they can market a new DLP by then. There will be no large stores to sell it. BB is down to only a couple of DLP's on display and this is 2009. There might be still room for large, inexpensive DLP's, but anything more than what flat panels will go for would be too much. Laservue sold out of novelty, not because of a huge performance leap. Remember, by that time LCD's and maybe some Plasmas will just keep getting better, to the point that no rear projection set will be able to keep up.

Frankly, Mitsubishi should be trying to develop a decent LCD or maybe some of the newer flat panel technologies instead of perpetuating this old technology (DLP rear projection).

Remember, by that time LCD's and maybe some Plasmas will just keep getting better, to the point that no rear projection set will be able to keep up.

Frankly, Mitsubishi should be trying to develop a decent LCD or maybe some of the newer flat panel technologies instead of perpetuating this old technology (DLP rear projection).


Getting better?

They better be getting much, much cheaper, and in much larger sizes before I'll even consider one. I can't stand the thought of some little tiny 50" screen for double what I paid for my 67" DLP.

Let me know when I can get a 70"-80" plasma or LCD for under 3K, that will last as long as my LED DLP.

Late 2010? The TV guys at Mitsubishi are smoking crack if they think they can market a new DLP by then.

Frankly, Mitsubishi should be trying to develop a decent LCD or maybe some of the newer flat panel technologies instead of perpetuating this old technology (DLP rear projection).

As long as we're smoking funny stuff ;), I'll wait for that new 10" thick, lazer based, 3 chip DLP RP coming in 67, 75, and 82 inch sizes for 4, 6, and $8K respectively. :eek:

Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending, of course, on one's point of view), I've decided not to hold my breath while awaiting this announcement. When it does come though, my order goes in! :cool:

Late 2010? The TV guys at Mitsubishi are smoking crack if they think they can market a new DLP by then. There will be no large stores to sell it. BB is down to only a couple of DLP's on display and this is 2009. There might be still room for large, inexpensive DLP's, but anything more than what flat panels will go for would be too much. Laservue sold out of novelty, not because of a huge performance leap. Remember, by that time LCD's and maybe some Plasmas will just keep getting better, to the point that no rear projection set will be able to keep up.

Frankly, Mitsubishi should be trying to develop a decent LCD or maybe some of the newer flat panel technologies instead of perpetuating this old technology (DLP rear projection).

I had the same thought when I read that late 2010. I'm still laughing :D Sony is releasing a 65 inch lcd for 4999. What is LV going for:rolleyes:

I replaced my 73" DLP with a Panasonic p65V10 plasma. Picture is MUCH better.

I'm still laughing :D Sony is releasing a 65 inch lcd for 4999.

65" for 5K? That's funny?

That's pathetic, really. :rolleyes:

FPs have a long way to go before they're competitive on a price/size basis.

And of course so does LazerVue. :(

I don't know, looks like Panasonic is starting to make some breakthroughs with their plasmas...

65" for 5K? That's funny?

That's pathetic, really. :rolleyes:

FPs have a long way to go before they're competitive on a price/size basis.

And of course so does LazerVue. :(

Two things.... First that is the list price, it will sell for a lot less. Second the LCD will have more positive aspects than the LV. It will be thinner, most likely more reliable and after having seen LV, have a better picture. Also you can get the 65" Panasonic cheaper which buy most counts will have a better picture than any RP DLP.

I can see the value of Mitsubishi's bulb DLP's but the LV is a dollar too much and way too late to make a significant impact. Can they sell a few.....sure they can to those who want the novelty of a TV with a laser in it. Will it change the fact, that RP DLP will soon be obsolete.....not a chance !

i sell this unit in our store, and this is probably the worst picture quality I have ever seen. I will not recommend this to any client until it looks like a $7000 television on something other than 1080p Speed Racer. Live action or especially standard content are the worst picture quality I have seen in at least 5 years. A horrible step backwards for such a great company. Better luck next time.

i sell this unit in our store, and this is probably the worst picture quality I have ever seen. I will not recommend this to any client until it looks like a $7000 television on something other than 1080p Speed Racer. Live action or especially standard content are the worst picture quality I have seen in at least 5 years. A horrible step backwards for such a great company. Better luck next time.

You need to take the Laservue out of "Brilliant" mode and change it to "Natural".

As someone who has calibrated a Laservue, that is not a fair assessment. Calibrated, the picture is actually very nice and can be fairly accurate as well. The real problem with the Laservue is manufacturing. The client in which I calibrated his Laservue was on his second Laservue at the time. Soon after, that Laservue died as well and he ended up getting a refund from Mits and moving on to another tech.

I do agree, however, that the price needs to drop considerably. If Mits does what it is supposed to and makes the Laservue the new Diamond line, then there should only be a marginal markup for it like the old Diamond lines were in the past. (If they do it like they should.) If they don't, however, then they are still going to be fighting an uphill battle. They also need to make something that expensive be a little more bullet-proof. They definitely aren't doing themselves any favors by charging that kind of coin for a product that isn't solid.

i sell this unit in our store, and this is probably the worst picture quality I have ever seen. I will not recommend this to any client until it looks like a $7000 television on something other than 1080p Speed Racer. Live action or especially standard content are the worst picture quality I have seen in at least 5 years....

Strange, the LV I've seen has PQ that is clearly among the best I've ever seen. Live action is stunning, but of course is only as good as the source material. I haven't seen SD on it, but I don't generally care either. And the local price here is $4500 - still pricey, but not astronomical either.

Maybe yours fell off the truck. :rolleyes:

-Reid

[QUOTE=nicholc2;17103882]You need to take the Laservue out of "Brilliant" mode and change it to "Natural".

As someone who has calibrated a Laservue, that is not a fair assessment. Calibrated, the picture is actually very nice and can be fairly accurate as well. The real problem with the Laservue is manufacturing. The client in which I calibrated his Laservue was on his second Laservue at the time. Soon after, that Laservue died as well and he ended up getting a refund from Mits and moving on to another tech.

I'd be interested in what the black level and contrast ratio measured. The only set of readings I've seen, from UMR, resulted in a pathetic black level of .014. The one I've seen personally did a nice shade of charcol grey.

[quote=nicholc2;17103882]You need to take the Laservue out of "Brilliant" mode and change it to "Natural".

As someone who has calibrated a Laservue, that is not a fair assessment. Calibrated, the picture is actually very nice and can be fairly accurate as well. The real problem with the Laservue is manufacturing. The client in which I calibrated his Laservue was on his second Laservue at the time. Soon after, that Laservue died as well and he ended up getting a refund from Mits and moving on to another tech.

I'd be interested in what the black level and contrast ratio measured. The only set of readings I've seen, from UMR, resulted in a pathetic black level of .014. The one I've seen personally did a nice shade of charcol grey.

Do a search in the Laservue owners thread. I posted all of my results there in detail.

people interested in a panasonic plasma panasonic if i read right is releasing a 85inch plasma this ornext month for 30,000 dollers

people interested in a panasonic plasma panasonic if i read right is releasing a 85inch plasma this ornext month for 30,000 dollers

Well, that's just great. It'll weigh a ton and costs a ton..... Think I would go with the Mits DLP 82 for about 10% of that.

Seggers

Well, that's just great. It'll weigh a ton and costs a ton..... Think I would go with the Mits DLP 82 for about 10% of that.

Seggers

Get the 30,000 plasma and support our growing economy:)

I happened to checkout a local A/V shop on 9/19 as I was looking for options larger than the Panny 65” V10. They sell Mitsubishis and I gotta say the new sets look awesome. Speaking with a salesguy, he mentioned that Mits was continuing with the Laservue and will have ~75” unit suitable for wall mounting come next spring, and in the $4500 range. I’m intrigued?

I happened to checkout a local A/V shop on 9/19 as I was looking for options larger than the Panny 65” V10. They sell Mitsubishis and I gotta say the new sets look awesome. Speaking with a salesguy, he mentioned that Mits was continuing with the Laservue and will have ~75” unit suitable for wall mounting come next spring, and in the $4500 range. I’m intrigued?

thats good news because we need something to replace the Samsung LED slim dlps that are no discontinued (all samsung dlp are)

the laservue seems to be a good alternative similiar to led and seems theya re getting them just as thin or thinner then samsung was so this fills a much needed type of tv........as long as they can keep the price the same as Samsung LED dlp, which so far they haven't

4500 for a 75" is better and is a size i would maybe be interested in, but also interested in 65" -72". in fact I find 67" to be a sweet spot of a size but that was a size that only samsung made though I originally heard Mitsu was making a 67" laservue.

We'll see, but if they want to fill in the gap left by Samsung led dlp, they need to get these to market sooner then later before 65" and flat screens (plasma and lcd) become more prominent and cheaper (so they have some time there but still) and they need to get them out at a price similiar to samsung led dlp's because in all honesty the Mitsu laservue dlp aren't any better then the samsung led dlp which were/are quite good.

Even though there is 65" plasma, I would still suggest Mitsu to put out a new 65" (not the first model which was basically a beta) as long as they can make it a good bit cheaper then a 65" plasma (panny has their 65" plasma for 4k) then it would be a cheaper alternative.

but mitsu needs to get it through their head that noone is going to by a thicker then plasma or lcd mitsu laservue dlp for more then the same size or even close flat plasma or lcd.

Then they should definately cash in on the lack of tvs in sizes above 65" (besides extinct samsung dlps and mitsu own lamp based dlps) by offering the sweet spot 67" size plus 72" and above.

in fact it might not be a bad idea to offer something in between 67 and 72" because i know at times i wanted to go larger then 67" as long as the bezel is thin and the depth isn't too deep but 75 and even 72 might be a tad much so 70" would be more perfect and compete with Sonys 20k 70" lcd but for much less.

If I could get a Samsung led dlp for as low as 2k and some ppl got them open box or whatever even a littler lower though now that they are impossible to find at least one retailer was charging 3k....but point is Mitsu really shouldn't charge more then $2500 for the 67" laservue dlp witht he 65" a little less then that and the sizes larger then 67" a little more then 2500. Much more then that is just not going to fly

tvs are supposed to get cheape not more expensive. we dont care its laser. you aren't going to convince us its any better then Samsung led dlp cus we know its not.

even 2500 for the 67" laservue is a tad high but as a starting msrp i would accept it basing the original msrp of the 67" Samsung led dlp of like 2400 though i got for 2k and others around the same or even lower in certain circumstances.

Again, they need to get these out sooner then later, in multiple sizes , and for prices that compete with what the Samsung led dlps were going for, then they will make a killing. If they dont follow those basic rules, then its a fail right out the door which already it looked like that until we got word now of them actually putting out the new versions (not the beta 65") and in other sizes for a somewhat more reasonable price.

4500 for the 75" is still a little high considering a 67" should be no more then 2500. I'd say they have a chance with the 75"and more like 3500 maybe 4k

Ppl do want larger sets then even 65" which is the largest plasma there is for the most part at a reasonable price (panny 65" plasma for 4-4500)

But most ppl can't do much more then 70 72" though either so if they only do a 75" that will be tough.

it is a nice alternative to a projector though. And for the right price iw ould consider at those 75" and even larger size as an alternative to a projector for a professional dedicated home theatre setup.

I happened to checkout a local A/V shop on 9/19 as I was looking for options larger than the Panny 65” V10. They sell Mitsubishis and I gotta say the new sets look awesome. Speaking with a salesguy, he mentioned that Mits was continuing with the Laservue and will have ~75” unit suitable for wall mounting come next spring, and in the $4500 range. I’m intrigued?

Wait.. Hasn't the laservue 65 been on the market for over a year now? Where is the new model? Wasn't there also supposed to be a 75 incher as well? What has happened to all of the usual rumors. Noticed that no one has anything to say. Is Mitsu really that good at keeping a secret or are they getting out of the market???

Wait.. Hasn't the laservue 65 been on the market for over a year now? Where is the new model? Wasn't there also supposed to be a 75 incher as well? What has happened to all of the usual rumors. Noticed that no one has anything to say. Is Mitsu really that good at keeping a secret or are they getting out of the market???

Virtually no buzz about this "revelutionary"product, nor much advertising. From what I gather talking to several salespersons , not too many sales either. Seems a wee bit similar to what Sony pulled when they exited the rear projection market.

Virtually no buzz about this "revelutionary"product, nor much advertising. From what I gather talking to several salespersons , not too many sales either. Seems a wee bit similar to what Sony pulled when they exited the rear projection market.
Until Mitsubishi is ready to somewhat mass produce these, I wouldn't expect to see much advertising and sales are obviously going to be pretty limited when it's a low production model. Time will tell whether they come out with the new models that have been rumored / announced or if they drop the technology. For those of us who like relatively large screen sizes but can't use front projection, let's hope that they continue building RPTV's of some sort.

Until Mitsubishi is ready to somewhat mass produce these, I wouldn't expect to see much advertising and sales are obviously going to be pretty limited when it's a low production model. Time will tell whether they come out with the new models that have been rumored / announced or if they drop the technology. For those of us who like relatively large screen sizes but can't use front projection, let's hope that they continue building RPTV's of some sort.

Nothing wrong with their current Diamond Series DLP.

Nothing wrong with their current Diamond Series DLP.
Of course there isn't - I have one of last year's models that I'm quite happy with. But there's nothing wrong with having more choices available and while I understand the skepticism (and share it to a degree) about the future of LaserVue, I think most of us should be hoping that Mitsubishi DOES come through with the new models we've heard about.

Nothing wrong with their current Diamond Series DLP.

and yet I still see rainbows:(, i like DLP and i miss mine... Damn my good eyes :mad:

Hey has anyone had the problem of Moxi switching audio channels? Moxi seems to be using the rear channels for front channels. Since I am only using stereo, I can barely hear dialog. It happened before, and now it's started again yesterday. This is through HDMI.

and yet I still see rainbows ... Damn my good eyes :mad:

...or your imagination! :rolleyes:

You know, for years I thought RBE was a little like UFO's - nobody believes in them until they've seen them. When I built my HT with a DLP and a 125" screen, I became a believer because I occasionally see them, with the "right" material. Which is not surprising on a 125" screen. But I digress...

The LED and Laserviews don't have a color wheel - the source of RBE. And on the LED and Laserview, I cannot see RBE no matter how hard I try (source material, lighting, rapid eye movements, etc). Which doesn't surprise me, since it shouldn't be there.

You could argue that you might still see RBE because of the color cycling that is still required by a single-DLP light engine. But the color cycling is extremely fast - around 30k Hz. Compared to color wheel designs which operate at 120 Hz, that is 250 times faster, so the RBE would be 250 times less noticeable.

I have read and enjoyed this thread, and since the Laservue is still a little scarce, I hope you will allow me the liberty of straying just a little.

I love my Samsung HLN617W DLP - Even after 5 bulbs, a ballast conversion, a broken color wheel, a shattered light tunnel, and a bunch of down time. And again it's not working (my guess is it needs another ballast).

So now I'm contemplating whether to buy some more parts and attempt to fix it or get a new TV. Of course I don't want to go smaller than 61". And to be honest, I’m on a very tight budget. Oh what it would be like to be Owen :)

I would consider stepping down to a 55" LCD but the motion blur drives me crazy (maybe I will get used to it?). I also use the display a lot with a PC so I wouldn't consider plasma.

I researched some of the older Mits DLP’s and found a lot of unhappy customers with bad light engines who had full 5 year warranties but couldn’t get their TV’s fixed due to a lack of parts, amongst other issues. And after all the maintenance, expense and downtime with the Samsung, I am a little hesitant to buy another DLP.

So what I’m trying to say is that I think I am the perfect DLP customer. I prefer the technology over both LCD and plasma. I don’t care if it can’t hang on the wall. And I want the most bang for the buck because I am on a budget.

Yet I am hesitant because of reliability concerns. I want my TV to last at LEAST 5 years. I wouldn’t even mind replacing a bulb a year, but I don’t want to have to gut the thing and start replacing expensive parts or have a ridiculous amount of down time waiting for someone else to do it. Cost of ownership is also part of the cost of the TV and if DLP is going to be the value leader then it has to be reliable.

So am I just shell-shocked? Are the C9/737’s much more reliable than the previous Samsung and Mitsubishi DLP’s?

I really love DLP displays. I could probably swing a 65" or maybe even a 73” display if it was dependable, but I can no longer feed the beast.

And maybe next time around I can go for a Laservue!

What you want is a Samsung LED DLP, but unfortunately they are probably impossible to find anymore. :(

What you want is a Samsung LED DLP, but unfortunately they are probably impossible to find anymore. :(
That's what I was planning on purchasing when it was time to replace my current Samsung DLP - and one with a nice warranty of course. I guess I will have to wait and see how reliable the Mits DLP's are and how well Mits supports them.

That's what I was planning on purchasing when it was time to replace my current Samsung DLP - and one with a nice warranty of course. I guess I will have to wait and see how reliable the Mits DLP's are and how well Mits supports them.

It seems as if MITS is putting more faith in their DLP line than in the ill-fated Laservue. My S&V came in the mail today(Great Beatles cover and article) and a look from cover to cover has a MITS ad on page 53 for their DLP line, zilch for LV. The ad shows the 82837, probably a much better buy than the ridiculously priced LV.

I agree that mits seems to be putting more of a marketing push on the DLP line.

Almost pulled the trigger on the 65C9 for around $1100.00 from Tiger Direct but then I got greedy and wanted 73". Had to go and knockout a sink but now the 73" will fit :)

I have decided to go with either the 73C9 or or the 73737. Now I am just looking for the best deal. Tiger seems to have the best prices and I will probably purchase something some time next week.

Thanks all for the great info on this thread.. I am currently on page 46 of the 2009 Mitsubishi Owners Thread (C9/737/837) and enjoying that one as well!

I agree that mits seems to be putting more of a marketing push on the DLP line.
Obviously you mean the traditional lamp DLP line - LaserVue is still DLP. Anyway, they're obviously going to continue sinking more money into marketing for the lamp line until they're able to ramp production up on the LaserVue and bring the cost down to the point where they can sell them in volume. Why sink lots of money into marketing something you can only produce and sell in limited quantities?

That's what I was planning on purchasing when it was time to replace my current Samsung DLP - and one with a nice warranty of course. I guess I will have to wait and see how reliable the Mits DLP's are and how well Mits supports them.

Other than the bad capacitors in the V26 chassis (first gen DLP from Mits), the DLP sets from Mitsubishi have been extremely reliable compared to Samsung. Vrtually no color wheel, light tunnel, nor any of the many other problems that plagued the Samsung line. In terms of support, Mitsubishi is still repairing chassis at no charge for many clients on these sets that are nearing 5 years old. Samsung won't even talk to you about covering something that old, in spite of several pervasive failures in the sets.

There is simply no comparison between the support that the two companies provide. I recently had a client whose chassis was rebuilt at N/C other than labor to pull and install it on a 5 year old set, the repair failed, and they gave her a new set at no charge.

That's the best news I've heard all day!

To be fair, I was just informed that Samsung may be providing more OOW help to customers with the very common light tunnel collapse, but I don't have the details yet on how far out of warranty or what they are covering exactly.

My question will why isn't MITs updating the Laservue tech?

It's still on 1.0 with no refinements!

My question will why isn't MITs updating the Laservue tech?

It's still on 1.0 with no refinements!

If Mitsubish doesn't start making large flat screen TVs they will probably end the TV business. Everybody wants flat, not bulky sets anymore. DLPs only sell because they are larger and dirty cheap, not the case with Laservue. Plasma and LCDs and other flat technology will be the only choices very soon.

I am a new and so far completely satisfied LaserVue owner. Why? (1) non-reflective screen which is critical in my very bright room. Stared at a Sony XBR8 for a long time but could not ignore even its muted reflections. All others were worse. After two days, I can say the LV in Bright mode shines even in my sunlit room. If I had a light controlled room I might have made a different decision, but for me the LV works avertised. (2) Laser technology with pure light, low power usage and no degradation over time seems far superior to conventional light sources. This is a dice-roll perhaps, but the engineer in me wants to believe the claim. (3) I have verified that with good source material the picture is stunning, after I tweak some of the settings. Watching football and racing this weekend, I saw no movement artifacts or other faults some have brought up. FIOS is my TV source. (4) At a total depth of 10 inches, the lack of being super thin for me was trivial.

What about price? Well, I paid 4.5 delivered. Top of the line 55" LCD's from Sony & Sammy, are similar. If you are price sensitive and/or plan on churning your TV every few years, other choices make sense. If the LV is reliable, then it will be a winner for me.

I am a new and so far completely satisfied LaserVue owner. Why? (1) non-reflective screen which is critical in my very bright room. Stared at a Sony XBR8 for a long time but could not ignore even its muted reflections. All others were worse. After two days, I can say the LV in Bright mode shines even in my sunlit room. If I had a light controlled room I might have made a different decision, but for me the LV works avertised. (2) Laser technology with pure light, low power usage and no degradation over time seems far superior to conventional light sources. This is a dice-roll perhaps, but the engineer in me wants to believe the claim. (3) I have verified that with good source material the picture is stunning, after I tweak some of the settings. Watching football and racing this weekend, I saw no movement artifacts or other faults some have brought up. FIOS is my TV source. (4) At a total depth of 10 inches, the lack of being super thin for me was trivial.

What about price? Well, I paid 4.5 delivered. Top of the line 55" LCD's from Sony & Sammy, are similar. If you are price sensitive and/or plan on churning your TV every few years, other choices make sense. If the LV is reliable, then it will be a winner for me.

While I've been hard on the Laservue in the past, you bring up some excellent points. It would be a good choice in your brightly lit room. Its retina searing light output would come in handy in conditions like yours. You're also reducing the black level problem, which is less of a concern with your examples as well. Just don't watch a dark scene in a completely dark room.

I've compared the Laservue to the conventional lamp based sets. Other than some interesting color capability, a smaller footprint and lower energy use, I feel that the image on a set like the 65737 is very competative with the Laservue. The 65737 would also deal quite well with your room issues at half the cost or less. Did you consider the 65737? If so, what tipped the scales in favor of the Laservue?

The thing I do not understand about these sets is, a year ago when they were introduced they had the 7k introductory price, and then Mits said that the price should drop to sub 2k almost immediately. All that talk has vanished and we're left with this new technology that supposedly at the time was said to be less expensive to produce than conventional lamp based sets, but was expensive cause it was new.

Well, what happened? Did the price of this technology increase 5 fold?

While I've been hard on the Laservue in the past, you bring up some excellent points. It would be a good choice in your brightly lit room. Its retina searing light output would come in handy in conditions like yours. You're also reducing the black level problem, which is less of a concern with your examples as well. Just don't watch a dark scene in a completely dark room.

I've compared the Laservue to the conventional lamp based sets. Other than some interesting color capability, a smaller footprint and lower energy use, I feel that the image on a set like the 65737 is very competative with the Laservue. The 65737 would also deal quite well with your room issues at half the cost or less. Did you consider the 65737? If so, what tipped the scales in favor of the Laservue?
To start, while I don't like to waste money, I am willing and fortunately able to pay for superior quality and reliability. My bet is that the LV meets this criteria, but clearly there are many doubters. And to repeat, if reflection was not an issue, I would have chosen something else.

I didn't look seriously at other RP sets, which in the store seemed equal in picture quality. But the store experience is not sufficient for me to spend this kind of money. It may not be current info but I believe conventional lamp intensity starts degrading with use and require periodic replacement to keep the set performing at spec. The laser should avoid this weakness (if indeed this is a factor on alternative sets). I was heavily influenced by the rave reviews from the two tech sites that reported a hands-on analysis. The last time I bought a large, expensive TV was 1994..a Pioneer Elite RP...I made the choice based largely on a rave tech review and what seemed to me to be superior technology for the time. I was never disappointed in 15 years (one overhaul). This time I am betting that the same factors will play out. Time will tell.

To start, while I don't like to waste money, I am willing and fortunately able to pay for superior quality and reliability. My bet is that the LV meets this criteria, but clearly there are many doubters. And to repeat, if reflection was not an issue, I would have chosen something else.

I didn't look seriously at other RP sets, which in the store seemed equal in picture quality. But the store experience is not sufficient for me to spend this kind of money. It may not be current info but I believe conventional lamp intensity starts degrading with use and require periodic replacement to keep the set performing at spec. The laser should avoid this weakness (if indeed this is a factor on alternative sets). I was heavily influenced by the rave reviews from the two tech sites that reported a hands-on analysis. The last time I bought a large, expensive TV was 1994..a Pioneer Elite RP...I made the choice based largely on a rave tech review and what seemed to me to be superior technology for the time. I was never disappointed in 15 years (one overhaul). This time I am betting that the same factors will play out. Time will tell.

I made a similar judgement in buying the Sony Quallia 006, and I sincerely regret having done so because of the inherrent problems they are having with the Optical Blocks. I won't make any new TV purchase, now, unless there is a three-year history with the technology, and ; just as I walked away from GM in 1984, I'll never buy Sony again.

The thing I do not understand about these sets is, a year ago when they were introduced they had the 7k introductory price, and then Mits said that the price should drop to sub 2k almost immediately. All that talk has vanished and we're left with this new technology that supposedly at the time was said to be less expensive to produce than conventional lamp based sets, but was expensive cause it was new.

Well, what happened? Did the price of this technology increase 5 fold?

Mitsubishi never said anything of the sort that I know of. I talk with technical, sales, and training reps rather often, and never heard anything like that. What they said was that they were coming out with a first generation product which would not be mass produced. They have said that the second generation sets should come in less expensive and in larger sizes. Anything near $2K is simply unrealistic. Maybe drop BY $2K. That would not surprise me. Look at all of the other first efforts by Mitsubishi with new tecnologies...PDP, LCD, LCD projection, LCoS...they all were very expensive limited production items. Some were followed with production versions, LCoS was not. The mass produced sets were substantially cheaper but still not low in price compared to other brands. With Mits sitting alone in the RP market, and happily making lots of sales, there is no way they are going to price a new LaserVue product extremely cheap. It will be a high-end alternative to the lamp based sets, when and if the second generation arrives. The latest that I have heard is early 2010. Expect it to be quite different from the first gen sets.

Let's hope there will be good news at the CES show!:)

Mitsubishi never said anything of the sort that I know of. I talk with technical, sales, and training reps rather often, and never heard anything like that. What they said was that they were coming out with a first generation product which would not be mass produced. They have said that the second generation sets should come in less expensive and in larger sizes. Anything near $2K is simply unrealistic. Maybe drop BY $2K. That would not surprise me. Look at all of the other first efforts by Mitsubishi with new tecnologies...PDP, LCD, LCD projection, LCoS...they all were very expensive limited production items. Some were followed with production versions, LCoS was not. The mass produced sets were substantially cheaper but still not low in price compared to other brands. With Mits sitting alone in the RP market, and happily making lots of sales, there is no way they are going to price a new LaserVue product extremely cheap. It will be a high-end alternative to the lamp based sets, when and if the second generation arrives. The latest that I have heard is early 2010. Expect it to be quite different from the first gen sets.

So what has been the sales numbers of RP sets? have the actually risen alot since Samsung exited the market.

Haven't seen much about the LV's. Have they officially killed them off yet??

No, new models are supposed to be coming next spring in different sizes.

No, new models are supposed to be coming next spring in different sizes.

With the holiday buying season in full swing, has anyone seen any ads or heard any feedback on LV?

With the holiday buying season in full swing, has anyone seen any ads or heard any feedback on LV?

No but my local Magnolia dealer dropped the price on the units.

With the holiday buying season in full swing, has anyone seen any ads or heard any feedback on LV?

Waiting for CES in January.

With 65 panny plasmas at that price point, Laservue is a dead duck;)

Not really, as I'm probably going to end up going for a tc-p65v10
these LV isn't all that bad.

its about 3400-4k now depending on where you look and make deals.
65" @ 4k sound a tad bit, but considering it's 3D ready also makes it a deal.

I saw at a local store (probably rigged on color correction) they had this next to a kuro, and there wasn't much difference.
Point is if you can get a 65" with great color and future proof it's a great idea.

lets say you spend another 3-4k on a samsung 558000
and 3D does become the new home HD enjoyment, then what ? repurchase another ?
Alot assume 3D is overhyped and something that they'll probably not get back into for awhile but you never know, I thought that way about blu-ray when it was first HD DVD vs blu-ray and i jumped on blu-ray spending more on the player than my LCD

btw hitachi is making something 3D without having to use 3D glasses.
so far they have a little 11" prototype, no expected date on a bigger size though. I honestly think 3D will be the new in thing.

anyways so a TC-P65v10 Im expecting to purchase soon, is going to cost me 3999 shipped and taxed. and when 3D becomes more common (which sony promises it will, BLU-Rays will start coming out 3D ready games/movies both) I'm hoping the next line 3D HDTV's will also be cheap (I doubt)
rumor is pannys 50" 3D hdtv will be about the same as their v10 series on features except price will be higher

I might start to consider mit LV series if they come out with a 2nd generation at a bigger size

...I honestly think 3D will be the new in thing. ... and when 3D becomes more common (which sony promises it will, BLU-Rays will start coming out 3D ready games/movies both) I'm hoping the next line 3D HDTV's will also be cheap (I doubt)
...

I believe it will become huge. Remember people saying "stereo" wasn't worthwhile? Ok, many of you probably weren't born yet. :rolleyes: 3D is similar. Once you see a movie in 3D, its hard to go back to 2D movies. I can't wait to have a 3D projector in my ht.

-Reid

I believe it will become huge. Remember people saying "stereo" wasn't worthwhile? Ok, many of you probably weren't born yet. :rolleyes: 3D is similar. Once you see a movie in 3D, its hard to go back to 2D movies. I can't wait to have a 3D projector in my ht.

-Reid

I also remember "Quadrophonic" being the next big thing. How did that turn out?? And how about the bridge between tapes and dvd's, the laserdisc??

I think the key to Mitsu's laservue dlp tvs success is sizes above 65" and price on the 65" below that of thinner 65" plasma and lcd

With Samsung dropping out of the dlp market including their slimmer LED dlp's which are better then lamp based dlp in several ways, that leaves a huge opportunity for laservue dlp to fill the gap left by samsung of led dlp.

when mitsu laservue first came out though some said it was no better then samsungs led dlp but just way more expensive so that was fail.

but now with samsung led dlp gone, they can have a huge niche to themselves for ppl that loved samsung led dlp like myself.

the key is the sizes. you cannot really get anything above 65" right now without getting a Mitsu lamp based dlp. Like in best buy for instance 65" is the largest flat screen they have and one of the main ones is the Panny v10 65" plasma

Best buy still has Mitsu lamp based dlps but who wants that anymore when Samsung had led dlp which was better and Samsung dlps in general were better then Mitsu dlp especially out of box colors. the Mitsus are pretty horrible and absolutely must get calibration.

Mitsu put out the 65" laservue as a first almost beta model sort of like Samsung first led dlp which was only 56".

havent heard any updates but last I heard was that larger size Mitsu laservue dlps were coming by this spring in a few diff sizes above 65". I heard 67" at one poitn which I got excited cus that is the sweet spot size for me and I have 2 Samsung 67" dlp (one lamp and one led) but I was surprised because that size even for Samsung was at first only at Costco or sams club maybe until the 67" led dlp in best buy. And Mitsu never had a 67" dlp. It really is a good in between size cus prviously mitsu dlp's jumped from 65" to 73 I think.

I would maybe go as big as 72" if it was light and thin enough but these laservue aren't nearly as thing as even the thicker plasmas

the Samsung super thing LED lcds is the future like the UN55B8000 (which we have) and the new 8100 series which has full matrix led instead of edge lit like the 6000 and 7000 series. (I still lilke the casing of the 557100 best actually) but I've seen the 8100 in store and it actually looks more dim then the 8000 oddly.

Plus I heard the 8100 series and sonys full matrix led sets are being discontinued because they got sued by LG who had the patent on the full matrix led. which seems like bs cus we need competition and hopefully both sony and samsung will be back with similiar tech that doesn't infringe upon LG.

as for the 65" mitsu laservue dlp, it has got to be cheaper then even the lower priced 65" plasmas or it fails.

4k is too high because you can get the well rated Panny 65" v10 plasma for the same and i saw a 65" Sharp Aquos at Costco for less then 4k (and i'm assuming thats an lcd cus Sharp doenst' make plasma afaik)

that way you take sales away from other thinner 65" sets by being cheaper and ppl sacrifice the thinness for the lower price just as dlp filled that gap. for ppl that had the depth room and space, DLP was a great way to get a larger screen sizse for less.

and even now its the only way to get sizes above 65".
shame samsung stopped led dlp becuase a 72" or larger led dlp would have been next since they did the 67" in the last year of it and I'm glad I got one.

I know mitsu laservue dlp is even slimmer then samsung led dlp but its not plasma thin let alone samsung led lcd thin. so it just has got to be lower priced or its dead.

And again its main chance is in the larger sizes above 65" where there really are no other options at least not in most stores. I know that Sony had like an 80" lcd and stuff and there are a few other makes of lcd or plasma above 65" but its all so high like 10k and above that its unrealistic and while i hate to bring up BB so much (cus i kind of hate them) even Magnolia doesn't have any flat screen (lcd or plasma) above 65"

competition for the larger size may be a projector but many like myself are more interested in a larger screen above 65" tv instead of projector. Projector can be cheaper but can be expensive too and require the screen expense and not good in normal lighting so you need a dark dedicated theatre and aren't as easy to connect stuff etc. So a lot of ppl would go with a 67" or larger mitsu laservue dlp over a projector.

so in summary, they definately have a great opportunity with Mitsu laservue dlp especially with samsung led dlp being gone. ppl looking for larger then 65" in BB still look at the Mitsu dlps and they have one as large as 83" i think that ppl check out and its a lot of screen for relativeluy low price. but again the mitsu lamp based dlp were not as good as samsung and when samsung had led dlp mitsu had no answer so they are late but since there is no competition they can fill that niche nicely.

hopefully the mitsu laservue dlp will have better out of box colors then their lamp based dlp and be more like samsungs dlps in that regard but calibration is great to get anyway.

Again, they just need to hurry up and offer sizes larger then 65" and make sure they price the 65" lower then 65" plasma and lcd or noone is going to buy it really even if there is some supposed benefit of it over a plasma or lcd.

speaking of the 3d ready thing is kind of an up in the air factor. 3D is definately a big thing right now and may likely be the future. the new 3d technology is much better then the old that ppl are familiar with so once they get ppl to realize that and not scoff it at like its old 3d then it might be big.

3d is huge and the future in theatres. ppl just wait for bluray and get as good or better experience at home in their home theatres with great sound and in HD which most theatres are not (i guess some digital dlp projectors in theatres is technically HD but doesnt' seem to look as good). so it is helping the movie industry and getting ppl to theatres.

also they are starting to make a lot of blurays in 3d and many are planned. even the Avatar video game is in 3d.

so yes its going to be some confusion as to what tvs are compatible and what other hardware/software is needed.

I had read that for certain 3d, all that is needed is a 120hz lcd and connected with hdmi and then it can display 2 60hz images for 3d with some type of 3d glasses.

the 3d ready that Samsung and Mitsu dlps have may not even be the 3d technology that is used by all the new blurays and stuff. in fact from what i know the samsung and mitsu 3d ready stuff is kind of gimmick and has very few uses and you have to purchase an emitter to plug into the 3d out port on the tv and then use expensive shutter glasses.

so yeah 3d is very up in the air right now with diff 3d technologies and no standard yet so I'd wait to see what becomes the standard. I did hear about 3d hdtvs coming out but not sure how those are different then samsung and mitsu dlp 3d ready o rjust using a 120hz lcd with hdmi.

but again, 3d is coming ready or not and there will be some standards set so id wait to see how that pans out. for home it will basically be connected with 3d bluray and more clear info will come out as to what is needed. I'm thinking there will be new tvs that take advantage of whatever the new 3d standard becomes but then there will be other ways for ppl to make use of it with existing tvs.

from what I know the samsung and mitsu dlps 3d ready use the checkerboard type of 3d so not saying it wont be cmpatible with new 3d stuff but it might require extra hardware like the emitter and shutter glasses i talked about and still might not be as good as the new 3d tvs and stuff and 3d standard that will eventually settle.

so going with a 65" mitsu laservue for the same 4k price of other 65" plasma and lcd just cus you think the mitsu is more 3d ready isnt' too keen cus it may actually be not as good for new 3d stuff.

and to say why buy a Samsung led lcd like the UN55B8000 say to then have to buy a diff 3d tv, believe me the Sam lec lcds like that are just as 3d ready and capable as the Sam dlps or Mitsu dlps including laservue.

I'm at work so I'm too lazy to be a ninja and web browse secretly to copy paste links.
but yeah 3D is coming ready or not, and Sony is hoping it'll bring sony back to live after alot of money loss @ 2009. which is why they mentioned blu-rays will start to be released in 3D regardless if the movie was originally in 3D or not, they are doing this by supporting their new 2010 line models of HDTV which will be in 3D.

and for the
"I had read that for certain 3d, all that is needed is a 120hz lcd and connected with hdmi and then it can display 2 60hz images for 3d with some type of 3d glasses."

it's called Nvision and there are some other small companies. but Nvisions is best out of the others in the quality.
that kit alone is about another 200, excluding the fact that it also needs to be setup with a pc or pc like form with an nvidia GPU that is 8800 series and over.

the new 3D hdtvs that are coming out (and already out in korea) LG is based off similar screening as the previous DLP 3D ready.
and Panny/samsung/Vizio 3D hdtv is almost on similar with them.
Sony claims to be a different technology but actually its all the same basic rules.
only one that is really advancing and doing something different is Hitachi, pretty cool how their 11" prototype works, reminds me of starwars


I am well aware of the quality of the new Samsung LED 8000 series, My step brother has the 55" got the 8000 not 8500 cause of the price difference was major and quality was similar, but samsung stated it wont be 3D ready, and they do have a new line of LED 3D's coming out that is even thinner. forgot where the link is, but Google will find it.

3D isn't really much for the objects jumping out at you IMO.
I like it cause its even more clear than what you can normally watch on Hi-Def.
and yes I would spend that extra much for a better and clear crisp quality, isn't that the whole point why everyone else is jumpin onto 1080p as well ? for the better image quality ?

and yes Laservue's are latest 3D technology, actually texas instruments is using a similar one they used for imax 3D, Which is prbbly a marketing hype

And not sure what you mean "new" 3d stuff, it'll be the same ol 3D technology as before being put into their new line of 3D HDTV's

if laser DLP is just a big bright lighter version of old lamp DLP to you.
same theory goes to the new LED samsungs, its just a lighter brighter version of the old LED's, and LEDs are extremely old technology

anyways my point is for 4k a 65" that is pretty much future proof with great image/color it's not all that bad, considering the panny is about same price.

and thickness really doesn't concern me, what would concern me in any tv would be heat factor + power usage, and LV is about 135watts so yearly use and bill is about 30 bucks, based on cnet.

I'm at work so I'm too lazy to be a ninja and web browse secretly to copy paste links.
but yeah 3D is coming ready or not, and Sony is hoping it'll bring sony back to live after alot of money loss @ 2009. which is why they mentioned blu-rays will start to be released in 3D regardless if the movie was originally in 3D or not, they are doing this by supporting their new 2010 line models of HDTV which will be in 3D.

and for the
"I had read that for certain 3d, all that is needed is a 120hz lcd and connected with hdmi and then it can display 2 60hz images for 3d with some type of 3d glasses."

it's called Nvision and there are some other small companies. but Nvisions is best out of the others in the quality.
that kit alone is about another 200, excluding the fact that it also needs to be setup with a pc or pc like form with an nvidia GPU that is 8800 series and over.

the new 3D hdtvs that are coming out (and already out in korea) LG is based off similar screening as the previous DLP 3D ready.
and Panny/samsung/Vizio 3D hdtv is almost on similar with them.
Sony claims to be a different technology but actually its all the same basic rules.
only one that is really advancing and doing something different is Hitachi, pretty cool how their 11" prototype works, reminds me of starwars


I am well aware of the quality of the new Samsung LED 8000 series, My step brother has the 55" got the 8000 not 8500 cause of the price difference was major and quality was similar, but samsung stated it wont be 3D ready, and they do have a new line of LED 3D's coming out that is even thinner. forgot where the link is, but Google will find it.

3D isn't really much for the objects jumping out at you IMO.
I like it cause its even more clear than what you can normally watch on Hi-Def.
and yes I would spend that extra much for a better and clear crisp quality, isn't that the whole point why everyone else is jumpin onto 1080p as well ? for the better image quality ?

and yes Laservue's are latest 3D technology, actually texas instruments is using a similar one they used for imax 3D, Which is prbbly a marketing hype

And not sure what you mean "new" 3d stuff, it'll be the same ol 3D technology as before being put into their new line of 3D HDTV's

if laser DLP is just a big bright lighter version of old lamp DLP to you.
same theory goes to the new LED samsungs, its just a lighter brighter version of the old LED's, and LEDs are extremely old technology

anyways my point is for 4k a 65" that is pretty much future proof with great image/color it's not all that bad, considering the panny is about same price.

and thickness really doesn't concern me, what would concern me in any tv would be heat factor + power usage, and LV is about 135watts so yearly use and bill is about 30 bucks, based on cnet.

thanks for the clarifications!

thats great that our old Samsung DLP's are 3d ready and that its about the same as the new 3d tvs. thats terrible though that that the Samsung thing led lcds are not 3d ready. but interesting that they are making new 3d lcds. not sure how they can get them much thinner though then the current sam led lcds as there is nothing else even matching on the market by any other manufac.

I also did see any benefit in picture quality or features of the Sam 8500 series led lcd over the 8000. guy in BB claimed the full matrix led was way better and that hed get a thicker sony full matrix led lcd over the sam 6000 7000 or 8000 edge lit but i wouldn't. in fact even the 120hz 7100 which i still like the casing the most of looked better and brighter then the full matrix 8500 to me and like you said just doens't seem worth the huge price jump from the previously top of the line UN55B8000 which is already 240hz to the 8500 just for full matrix led. and again in store the pictured looked dimmer.

That is great to hear then that the Mitsu laservue dlps have the newest 3d tech and I am definately interested in one larger then 65" or the 65" as long as its cheaper then other thinner 65" hdtvs (like the panny plasma and sharp 65" which are already 4k or lower) I dont care about thickness so much as in my 2 of my spaces i'm using dlp and hae the depth room but it does make it harder to move and sell etc. and i'm not going to pay more for a heavier or thicker tv. I will pay less for it though.

I am ready for 3d also (although after avatar I felt like my eyes were a little messed up for a bit till they readjusted to non 3d) and I like you said it will be more for the clearest most realistic picture not just for novelty things jumping out at you.

really good proper HD has a 3d look to begin with so 3d is just the next logical step in the best possible clearest lifelike HD picture.

I hope we hear more news soon on other sizes of the Mitsu laservu dlps and hopefully on schedule for this spring in a few size choices and at good prices (Samsung led dlp prices at least) then it will be a winner. but i'm worried it wont and then we will be stuck with all only smaller size flat screens with no dlp left after samsung stopped led dlp and if mitsu laservu fails. the current mitsu lamp based dlp arent' worth it anymore even for great size at low price so those will die out and we wont have any alternatiave to the mundane flat screens.

mitsulaservue dlp is more promising but for a while there it reminded me of the JVC HD-ILA thinner rear projection lcos tvs. at the time only them and sony really made lcos and it was an alternative to rear projection lcd (which died) and dlp and was before samsung made thinner led dlp so the JVC thing lcos was promising. it was actually about as thing as the mitsu laservue dlp so yeah it would have been the thinnest rear projection tvs and well before thicker samsung slim led dlp and way way before equal thinnes mitsu laservue but I guess it had problems and only a few came out here and there and they didnt' market it and so I dont know what happened to it but i guess it died out and was hard to find and the larger size possibly never made it.

so i hope that doesnt happen here with mitsu though in that case the 65"' if it does turn out to be the only laservue dlp that makes it, might still be worth having? I dont think the trial run of the first 65" went to well event hough not many places had it and it was so expensive. I think the Samsung first led dlp 56" went better adn why we saw more.

keeping my fingers crossed though for mitsu laservue and again the key is the larger sizes above 65" and good price poitn especially for the 65" to give ppl a reason to get it over flat screen 65" plasma and lcd. though you made a good point that its "future proof" and with the newest 3d capability.

Well good news is, the Laservue series will be much cheaper than the retarded current retail price,
Believe me as much as i stated 4k wasn't bad , I still think its over-priced lol.

and there will be ranges of different sizes. nothing official yet, Not that I know of. but they will be coming out with different sizes. My guess is 57,65,73,80 + like how they'd normally do it. another rumor was they reduce the thick factor by re-locating the plugs. even so, it wouldnt be that impressive IMO from 10" thick to either 8" , it's still too thick for todays tv technology.
Only thing I'll praise on the new LV series is Brighter/better Lighting solution for DLP's with more accurate and colors/light leveing. it's about time DLP's became up to date on picture color quality vs plasmas. even though it isnt good as kuro elites, looks like it comes real close (atleast closer than before)

and also I like the fact that it creates way less heat vs old DLP's *lamp or LED
with only 135 watt which is equal to the new samsung LED 8000 Series.

And I keep using samsungs UN 8000 series because by their contrast ratio @ 134-135 watts is very impressive vs others LED @ 145-160watts outputting only 2,000,000

now if they can do 70-80"s on the laservue with better features and hoping better performance from the new generation tv w/ 3D ready for under 4k
I'm sold, don't care if they make it thicker than 10" just make the damn thing cheaper where DLP's are most loved for

btw there is another company that is making Laser TV. there is nothing completely official yet as well, but they will be showing their prototype pretty soon,
as they will be competing against mitsu's LV, they stated that they will be alot cheaper than mitsu's LV (of their release price 7k) not sure if they will be cheaper than the current price but they will be competing in price vs size as well.
at the time they had a 100" laser tv as a prototype show off and said it will cost alot less than mitsu's laservue. I love companies like this, they bring prices down for alot of other things, if they pull off a fair price for DLP's
this is great for all of us, for even Plasma's and LCD will have to price drop as well to compete in marketing. 100" Laser HDTV was being shown with 3D movies/demo clips and stated to be cheaper than mitsu's imagine what other companies would also have to do to keep their buyers to stay with their LCD/Plasma/DLP's that are coming out in 2010.

Hopefully this company will bring back the lcos panels in a good way.
heat fator wasn't an issue at all for each light only outputted 1w (red , blue , green laser) total output was 150w on a 100" ?! i love that, but contrast ratio was 1000:1 only problem they really had was the green wasn't as accurate. but this was prototype I'm expecting alot from these guys.

Here (http://hd.engadget.com/2009/09/17/hdi-concocts-100-inch-laser-based-3d-hdtv-calls-rivaling-techno/) is a link to the item I believe you are referring to. It is very exciting, isn't it?

I also remember "Quadrophonic" being the next big thing. How did that turn out?? And how about the bridge between tapes and dvd's, the laserdisc??

Yeah, who in their right mind would purhcase a multi-channel audio system. ;)

Quadrophic after all was only the forebearer of the current descrete multi-channel audio systems that we enjoy today. It just took time for the technology to mature and standardize begining with theatrical audio systems and trickling down to products for home use.

3D is moving in the same manner - early attempts at 3D were gimmicky and of poor quality resulting in headaches and nausea. The technology has now evolved to a point where a large percentage of films are receiving theatrical release in 3D. The adoption has become ever more rapid and now we see a standard for 3D presentation for use in the home.

This is going to be fun! ...and expensive. ;)

Yeah, who in their right mind would purhcase a multi-channel audio system. ;)

Quadrophic became the forebearer of the current descrete multi-channel audio systems that we enjoy today. It just took time for the technology to mature and standardize begining with theatrical audio systems and trickling down to products for home use.

3D is moving in the same manner - early attempts at 3D were gimmicky and of poor quality resulting in headaches and nausea. The technology has now evolved to a point where a large percentage of films are receiving theatrical release in 3D. The adoption has become ever more rapid and now we see a standard for 3D presentation for use in the home.

This is going to be fun! ...and expensive. ;)

not just in theaters but at homes as well, and im not talking about 3d blu-rays.
direct tv and time warners are preping for 3d channels now.

and also this is going to be fun, i agree. it's the next step in Hi-Def
but expensive ? Does not have to be. Like I stated before, 3D ready tv's been out for awhile now by mitsubishi.
Their DLP and samsungs LED DLP "3D Ready" will be cheap , affordable @ large size screens with ok average quality color.
But this is the main reason why I praised Laservue.
for 4k, you get 3D ready , meaning you can watch it normal and daily base 2d normal viewin then to 3D when wanted to or needed to.
Image / color / black level quality is almost on par with Pioneer's Kuros , actually to be even more accurate on "Red" Laservue was much more accurate than Kuros. and on some parts was even more clear than Kuro during fast motion scenes.
and also at 65" with only 135w power peak.
I mean come on, really 4k ? it's fairly cheap. But as a DLP ? I do consider it to be pricey but for what it offers, I think it's great.
now if they can fix the viewing angle, I find it the best buy currently. but too bad DLP viewing angles are crap.(some states that it's better than the older DLP's but it's actually not, it's the same sadly according to alot of reviews. just seems better cause the image quality is much better)
If that doesn't matter to you, (such as me) i live in a 1bd apartment and living room isn't a home theater size. It's a great buy

Here (http://hd.engadget.com/2009/09/17/hdi-concocts-100-inch-laser-based-3d-hdtv-calls-rivaling-techno/) is a link to the item I believe you are referring to. It is very exciting, isn't it?


yeah, but only problem is. HDI isnt competing against mitsubishi yet,
They are also coming out high priced at first 10-15k, and they are comparing it vs sony/panny/hitatchi's giant laser hdtvs (35-75k)
but after their first batch run, they will have a smaller size (rumored) and that will be the one that competes against mitsubishi home tvs.
Looks like waiting another year on HDI's affordable tv's.


and thanks for the link, this should excite alot of people

All the MFT want the Bulbs for replacement commissions.

1. Mits Laser 2008 GONE {Color Space < 10 Bit & No HDMI 1.4}
2. Samsung DLP LED GONE - I OWN

I want more that this tech refined. The DEATH with BULBs!

Not sure what you mean gone ?
as in the tv it's self ?, its not gone Q2-Q3 of 2010 they will be announcing the new line of Lasertv's from Mitsubishi.
with new ranges of sizes and fixed flaws (hopefully) of the current generation of Laservue's

I'm expecting more from their 2nd generation Laservue's

this time around the l65a90 was technically a prototype up for adoptions

Not sure what you mean gone ?
as in the tv it's self ?, its not gone Q2-Q3 of 2010 they will be announcing the new line of Lasertv's from Mitsubishi.
with new ranges of sizes and fixed flaws (hopefully) of the current generation of Laservue's

I'm expecting more from their 2nd generation Laservue's

this time around the l65a90 was technically a prototype up for adoptions

How do you know they will announce anything on Q2-Q3? How do you even know there will be a 2nd-Gen LV HDTV from Mit?

How do you know they will announce anything on Q2-Q3? How do you even know there will be a 2nd-Gen LV HDTV from Mit?

At CES, Mitsubishi will be rolling in its massive and impressive 53-foot Mobile Marketing Showroom (MMS) into the “Experience 3D Tech Zone”. The MMS will provide a 1000-square-foot showroom showcasing a wide variety of new 3D content displayed on both LaserVue(TM) and Home Theater TVs. 3D entertainment will be demonstrated on a laser-powered television, using a 65″ LaserVue TV and MDEA’s Home Theater TV product line will be displaying cross-platform content on its 60″, 73″ and 82″ televisions.

Well as it doesnt state that it's Laservue's
Some where back in early 09, they were talking about possible 2nd gen release of LV depending on how well it does.

the 60/73/82 may just be their normal DLP lamp versions.
At work and too lazy to google too far in, you can use the search engine

and as for lasertv, I'm pretty sure its the path Mitsubishi will be dumping their lamps and put more funds into their lasers, If you actually saw the quality of these, it's quite amazing.
for 4k price range, i'd much rather get these Laservue now vs kuro elites

At CES, Mitsubishi will be rolling in its massive and impressive 53-foot Mobile Marketing Showroom (MMS) into the “Experience 3D Tech Zone”. The MMS will provide a 1000-square-foot showroom showcasing a wide variety of new 3D content displayed on both LaserVue(TM) and Home Theater TVs. 3D entertainment will be demonstrated on a laser-powered television, using a 65″ LaserVue TV and MDEA’s Home Theater TV product line will be displaying cross-platform content on its 60″, 73″ and 82″ televisions.

Well as it doesnt state that it's Laservue's
Some where back in early 09, they were talking about possible 2nd gen release of LV depending on how well it does.

the 60/73/82 may just be their normal DLP lamp versions.
At work and too lazy to google too far in, you can use the search engine

and as for lasertv, I'm pretty sure its the path Mitsubishi will be dumping their lamps and put more funds into their lasers, If you actually saw the quality of these, it's quite amazing.
for 4k price range, i'd much rather get these Laservue now vs kuro elites

I see, still no mention in there about it being their 2nd-Gen LV TVs. I keep my eye out for it though. I for one hope this Laser tech pans out for Mit, but I also had UMR, who posts here quite often in the forums & is a highly respected calibrator, come through last year to calibrate my SamsungA950 HDTV & I brought up the Mit LV to him, he told me he had worked on one & wasn't impressed by it, & advice me to stay away, he said he liked Mits LCD better than the LV in his humble opinion.

I went & viewed an Mit LV personally last year & couldn't make a clear judgment since the store (6ave) didn't have it setup to a Blu ray player & wasn't calibrated, but I decided against it b/c of the bulkiness & of course the ridiculous price tag @ the time.

I hope more news comes forth soon about Mits 2nd-Gen LV sets, b/c I'm in the market to upgrade to a 3D HDTV & give my mom the Samsung which is a great set, but I want a larger size "65 & up." Funny how none of the new HDTVs revealed/shown @ CES 2010 have HDMI 1.4

I see, still no mention in there about it being their 2nd-Gen LV TVs. I keep my eye out for it though. I for one hope this Laser tech pans out for Mit, but I also had UMR, who posts here quite often in the forums & is a highly respected calibrator, come through last year to calibrate my SamsungA950 HDTV & I brought up the Mit LV to him, he told me he had worked on one & wasn't impressed by it, & advice me to stay away, he said he liked Mits LCD better than the LV in his humble opinion.

I went & viewed an Mit LV personally last year & couldn't make a clear judgment since the store (6ave) didn't have it setup to a Blu ray player & wasn't calibrated, but I decided against it b/c of the bulkiness & of course the ridiculous price tag @ the time.

I hope more news comes forth soon about Mits 2nd-Gen LV sets, b/c I'm in the market to upgrade to a 3D HDTV & give my mom the Samsung which is a great set, but I want a larger size "65 & up." Funny how none of the new HDTVs revealed/shown @ CES 2010 have HDMI 1.4


Unlike jstnkim, I found LV to be totally underwhelming and quite unamazing. And I viewed about half a dozen units. I believe MITS current DPL bulb units are a have a great picture and are priced reasonably

Unlike jstnkim, I found LV to be totally underwhelming and quite unamazing. And I viewed about half a dozen units. I believe MITS current DPL bulb units are a have a great picture and are priced reasonably

I agree with this comment and the earlier one that said that the current model is a prototype looking for a home. If they can improve the black level, provide a reasonable warranty and cut the price in half, well I'm not holding my breath. The thought that this is an upscale alternative to their lamp based
sets isn't supported by superior performance. Hence, unless one is looking to save energy regardless of cost, there is precious little reason to consider the laservue.

Mits has either retreated from further development of the laservue or they're waiting for the lamp based sets to stop selling before they release a second series. I can see the laservue coming back if Mits can get the price down to the level of their lamp bases sets. And, if they need to do it in order to keep RPTV alive.

I agree with this comment and the earlier one that said that the current model is a prototype looking for a home. If they can improve the black level, provide a reasonable warranty and cut the price in half, well I'm not holding my breath. The thought that this is an upscale alternative to their lamp based
sets isn't supported by superior performance. Hence, unless one is looking to save energy regardless of cost, there is precious little reason to consider the laservue.

Mits has either retreated from further development of the laservue or they're waiting for the lamp based sets to stop selling before they release a second series. I can see the laservue coming back if Mits can get the price down to the level of their lamp bases sets. And, if they need to do it in order to keep RPTV alive.

i agree with the retarded first price tag they had, but all companies do this on new releases as for adoptions.
people tend to forget how expensive plasma and lcd technology was when first released. (I paid 7k for a 42") lol
I'm sure price will go down. If not, Mitshies are going down the drain. DLP lamp base should die pretty soon.
I'm only praising this mainly cause of 135w , quality = kuro elite @ 65 inches, some what future proof. light enough to fit on most standard stands/centers. all at a price of a 50" elite or less (depends where you shop) 3489-4000


as for quality, it's really all not that bad. They're comparing vs kuro elites .
Quality it beats the elite in some places (red) and during fast motions.
The local store here at the time had it (on main & 6th) both supposedly calibrated and looked pretty good. the elite started to look less accurate on colors, like animation like

as for bulky, Honestly I argue with guys from bestbuy and fry's all the time on this. teens who don't think too well
UNLESS you're hanging your tv on the wall... 10" is not any different from a Plasma 2-3"

seriously... and ofcourse the sales at bestbuy brings up the whole, "do the math 10 is greater than 2-3"
yeah obviously, but have you calculated the additional inches from the stand ?
the stands 5-7 inches off the center peice depending on the size of the monitor to hold it's weight balanced. :eek:

Guess we need to wait now for Mitsubishi's line show!:(

I can scoop up a new Laservue locally for $3499, and if I sell off my Sammy DLP to the buyer I found on Craigslist, that price will drop to $2299. Is this a good deal? I wanted to move away from rear projection for my next set, but this price might be hard to pass up. On the other hand, I was not impressed with severe geometric/keystone issues I saw in the store's demo model. Are these kinds of things easily fixable? Thanks.

I can scoop up a new Laservue locally for $3499, and if I sell off my Sammy DLP to the buyer I found on Craigslist, that price will drop to $2299. Is this a good deal? I wanted to move away from rear projection for my next set, but this price might be hard to pass up. On the other hand, I was not impressed with severe geometric/keystone issues I saw in the store's demo model. Are these kinds of things easily fixable? Thanks.

For this price you can get a 65" Panasonic plasma. Think about it !

I have thought about it. First, V10s are hard to find. Second, if you find one at all, you might get one with that rising black level issue, THX mode color decoding issue, and IR issues. And since they're hard to find, how do you replace it with another?

Had to do some digging, but eventually found out that the laser estimated lifespan on these is 50,000 hours - it's not quite as indefinite as they claim (newer LCD/Plasma tend to be ~100,000 hours). Also assumes that nothing goes wrong with it before then (highly unlikely). Some people who had their sets replaced had them abruptly shut off. Since there are no longer light engines or color wheels, I have to assume the culprit would either be the controller board (possible but not likely) or something going wrong in the lasers either flat shutting down or malfunctions causing their safety measures to come on and prevent the device from being used.

There don't seem to be many people posting back that they've had the set for a couple years now and still going strong (I believe these came out in 07 or 08 correct?), but there are some who seem to have needed theirs replaced either because of abrupt shutoffs or because of the backlight problem. The tech seems much too immature for the pricetag they're asking - even discounted to $4k or even $3k it doesn't suprise me how few seem to be selling.

They need to make some quality improvements to ensure long-term longevity especially if they're going to try and charge the prices they are. I was considering upgrading from my Kuro to this. I looked extensively at everything I could fine and they're charging far too much to be beta-testers.

Had to do some digging, but eventually found out that the laser estimated lifespan on these is 50,000 hours - it's not quite as indefinite as they claim (newer LCD/Plasma tend to be ~100,000 hours). Also assumes that nothing goes wrong with it before then (highly unlikely). Some people who had their sets replaced had them abruptly shut off. Since there are no longer light engines or color wheels, I have to assume the culprit would either be the controller board (possible but not likely) or something going wrong in the lasers either flat shutting down or malfunctions causing their safety measures to come on and prevent the device from being used.

There don't seem to be many people posting back that they've had the set for a couple years now and still going strong (I believe these came out in 07 or 08 correct?), but there are some who seem to have needed theirs replaced either because of abrupt shutoffs or because of the backlight problem. The tech seems much too immature for the price tag they're asking - even discounted to $4k or even $3k it doesn't surprise me how few seem to be selling.

They need to make some quality improvements to ensure long-term longevity especially if they're going to try and charge the prices they are. I was considering upgrading from my Kuro to this. I looked extensively at everything I could fine and they're charging far too much to be beta-testers.

um - at 50,000 hours lifespan of the laser/s, and giving a generous estimate of 8 hours of average use per day, that would work out to just over 17 years of use. ...or continuous use for just over 5.5 years. I would call a 17 to 20 year life-span acceptable, given that OLED will probably be considered old technology by the time the laser has exceeded its lifespan.

um - at 50,000 hours lifespan of the laser/s, and giving a generous estimate of 8 hours of average use per day, that would work out to just over 17 years of use. ...or continuous use for just over 5.5 years. I would call a 17 to 20 year life-span acceptable, given that OLED will probably be considered old technology by the time the laser has exceeded its lifespan.

At the rate Laservue is moving, OLED may be being mass produced before the next generation LV's are out(if they ever come out).

At the rate Laservue is moving, OLED may be being mass produced before the next generation LV's are out(if they ever come out).

not to bring up a dead thread, but thought this might be useful to some who are waiting.
No links, since I had to speak with them over the phone.
Laservu are still in making, I was told to expect an official announcment on pricings and confirmed sizes in a month or two.
I was told 65" is not confirmed, but infact they are releasing 3 sizes and will be bigger than the previous laservu
I was told 73" will be the first announced on pricings.
with some impressive improvements. the life span will be one of them.
the other 2 sizes he said he couldn't confirm with me.
also making a note to update their beyond outdated site.

apperently a bunch of people have been calling in about it since feb last month.

as for the pricings, the only hint i got was. previous model was expensive and that mitsubishi is thriving to be back on top for the largest affordable screens.
and that seeing the new plasma's and LCD's are coming out to be affordable at 60-65" changing alot of parts was put into consideration to cost reduce.

so maybe we'll have laservu's out and playing before OLEDs :p

not to bring up a dead thread, but thought this might be useful to some who are waiting.
No links, since I had to speak with them over the phone.
Laservu are still in making, I was told to expect an official announcment on pricings and confirmed sizes in a month or two.
I was told 65" is not confirmed, but infact they are releasing 3 sizes and will be bigger than the previous laservu
I was told 73" will be the first announced on pricings.
with some impressive improvements. the life span will be one of them.
the other 2 sizes he said he couldn't confirm with me.
also making a note to update their beyond outdated site.

apperently a bunch of people have been calling in about it since feb last month.

as for the pricings, the only hint i got was. previous model was expensive and that mitsubishi is thriving to be back on top for the largest affordable screens.
and that seeing the new plasma's and LCD's are coming out to be affordable at 60-65" changing alot of parts was put into consideration to cost reduce.

so maybe we'll have laservu's out and playing before OLEDs :p

Wow! Very exciting news. I'm not a big fan of plasma or lcd, so this looks very promising as an alternative.

not to bring up a dead thread, but thought this might be useful to some who are waiting.
No links, since I had to speak with them over the phone.
Laservu are still in making, I was told to expect an official announcment on pricings and confirmed sizes in a month or two.
I was told 65" is not confirmed, but infact they are releasing 3 sizes and will be bigger than the previous laservu
I was told 73" will be the first announced on pricings.
with some impressive improvements. the life span will be one of them.
the other 2 sizes he said he couldn't confirm with me.
also making a note to update their beyond outdated site.

apperently a bunch of people have been calling in about it since feb last month.

as for the pricings, the only hint i got was. previous model was expensive and that mitsubishi is thriving to be back on top for the largest affordable screens.
and that seeing the new plasma's and LCD's are coming out to be affordable at 60-65" changing alot of parts was put into consideration to cost reduce.

so maybe we'll have laservu's out and playing before OLEDs :p

Let's hope so. Several years ago I was one of those waiting and waiting(and waiting,etc,etc) for this technology to come out. I finally gave up the ghost and moved on. That said, I would love to see an improved(I didn't like the 1st gen.of LV) LV come out and be priced so consumers can actually afford it. I'm still not convinced it is coming out and won't be until these 2nd gen units are in the stores. Absolutely no excitement being generated by MITS, no ads, etc. Last night on local televison ,a long segement was devoted to the new Sony 3-D's coming out. That is what I mean by generating some consumer excitement. Come on MITS, quit keeping everything a big secret. Get some excitement going. I know seeveral friends who have also moved on and gave up on MITS ever getting reliable LV units out. Here's hoping!

I agree, Mit needs to get more word out.
seeing that I get really cheap prices on Vizio (which I dont like)
if vizio releases their 72" before I hear anymore news about Mits new Laser, I probably will just grab the vizio's 72" Probably gonna cost me about alittle less than 2k, It's retailed for 3499
But even with that option if the laservu comes out better than I expected I'm more than willing to pay up to 4k
which I'm hoping they wont be 4k
if vizio's new 3D hdtvs are gonna be 3.5k mit's need to keep their 70+ starting at 2k

All I can say is Mits better be working on incorporating stunning 3D into these fabled sets just like HDI.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18300724

I agree, Mit needs to get more word out.
seeing that I get really cheap prices on Vizio (which I dont like)
if vizio releases their 72" before I hear anymore news about Mits new Laser, I probably will just grab the vizio's 72" Probably gonna cost me about alittle less than 2k, It's retailed for 3499
But even with that option if the laservu comes out better than I expected I'm more than willing to pay up to 4k
which I'm hoping they wont be 4k
if vizio's new 3D hdtvs are gonna be 3.5k mit's need to keep their 70+ starting at 2k

Got the May/June issue of S&V. Full page ad on page #21 from MITS touting-DLP/3-D. Nothing at all about LV.

consider Laservue is such a huge unit and all packing/transfer cost, I don't think Mitsubishi can make this happen.:rolleyes:


I agree, Mit needs to get more word out.
seeing that I get really cheap prices on Vizio (which I dont like)
if vizio releases their 72" before I hear anymore news about Mits new Laser, I probably will just grab the vizio's 72" Probably gonna cost me about alittle less than 2k, It's retailed for 3499
But even with that option if the laservu comes out better than I expected I'm more than willing to pay up to 4k
which I'm hoping they wont be 4k
if vizio's new 3D hdtvs are gonna be 3.5k mit's need to keep their 70+ starting at 2k

consider Laservue is such a huge unit and all packing/transfer cost, I don't think Mitsubishi can make this happen.:rolleyes:

Well, April is here and we should be finding out in short order whether or not MITS is going to be ramping up LV or giving it the R.I.P.:confused: Any bets??

Well, April is here and we should be finding out in short order whether or not MITS is going to be ramping up LV or giving it the R.I.P.:confused: Any bets??

Yes, R.I.P. It can't compete with flat screens . Big DLP/LV monsters are dead.

Yes, R.I.P. It can't compete with flat screens . Big DLP/LV monsters are dead.

I doubt big DLPs are dead. LaserVu might be dead. There is clearly a market for the 73" and 82" sets. Do you pay any attention to street prices?

I doubt big DLPs are dead. LaserVu might be dead. There is clearly a market for the 73" and 82" sets. Do you pay any attention to street prices?



Sure I do. The only reason why the monsters are still alive, however, is price/size. This is getting not so great when plasmas and LCDs are getting bigger and cheaper. There are rumors about a 72" LCD (Vizio ?) at a not so crazy price. Big DLPs will survive another year but that's it. When I watch a DLP ,at the very few dealers who still sell it, I can't believe people can still be happy with the picture. I had a 73" Mitsubishi and enjoy it but things have changed.

Sure I do. The only reason why the monsters are still alive, however, is price/size.

You say that like it isn't a compelling reason for a lot of people who have the room for them. It is. There is nowhere in consumer electronics that you can point at where price/performance doesn't have a heavy impact on volume.


This is getting not so great when plasmas and LCDs are getting bigger and cheaper. There are rumors about a 72" LCD (Vizio ?) at a not so crazy price. Big DLPs will survive another year but that's it. When I watch a DLP ,at the very few dealers who still sell it, I can't believe people can still be happy with the picture. I had a 73" Mitsubishi and enjoy it but things have changed.

What's that "not so crazy price" you're referring to as "rumored" (already we're on thin ice there) on the 72" Vizio LCD? You can get a 73" Mits DLP for less than $1,500 without trying too hard, and as low as $1,200 with some effort and patience.

I certainly recognize there are people who are willing to pay --whatever-- for what they want, and I envy them that luxury. 2x and 3x price multiples clearly impact far more of the market, however.

What's that "not so crazy price" you're referring to as "rumored" (already we're on thin ice there) on the 72" Vizio LCD? You can get a 73" Mits DLP for less than $1,500 without trying too hard, and as low as $1,200 with some effort and patience.

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Yep, it's very cheap and that's why people still buy them. 1200 for a 73" screen is a real bargain , no questions here. MY point is related to the future, not the present. I don't believe Mitsubishi will continue to sell the big DLP for a long time. It's a pain to store at the dealers because they are too big, bulb fades after few hundred hours, you can't sell it because the shipping would be crazy and the picture can't match plasmas and new LCDs..

I don't know about the Vizio price and I'm not interested because I don't like the brand but I replaced my 73" Mitsu by a 65" Panasonic plasma and the picture quaity has no comparison.

You can have your love for the big DLPs , nothing wrong with that. I said many times here that price/size is as good as it gets. Many people went from a 36 tube TV to a 73 or 82" screen for the same money they spent on the old set. This is great, I understand, but they are buying only because it's big and cheap, not for the quality.

My guess is that Mitsubishi will abandon ship on TVs or launch some other kind of technology. I bet we won't see new DLPs in 2011.

I have been talking to my Mits rep about this and they are continuing to tell us the new models are due out before summer. I have really enjoyed the LV color and brightness and it competes with, if not out performing the Panasonic plasmas. Finally they will rule the larger sizes unless you want to go $30K for a Panasonic 85"

I have been talking to my Mits rep about this and they are continuing to tell us the new models are due out before summer. I have really enjoyed the LV color and brightness and it competes with, if not out performing the Panasonic plasmas. Finally they will rule the larger sizes unless you want to go $30K for a Panasonic 85"

Mitsubishi made big mistakes with the LV :

-They launched a 65" model, too small for people used to 73" DLPs.
-The 65" LV was available in very few "niche" markets only. Here in South Florida they never showed up.
-The price was wrong. Who would buy a LV instead a 65" plasma at a cheaper price ?
-Few people reported a light leak on the sets. I can't comment on this because I have never seen one.

I do believe the LV can produce a picture to match plasmas and LCDs but the 65" was a complete fiasco in the market. More than a year ago we had news about a 75 and 82" LV that should be available last December. Where are they, how much would they cost ? How bulk would they be ?

I'm sorry but at this point I don't think the big LV will ever materialize, at least not the same fat big screen we know.

I really would like to see Mitsubishi coming with new technology, don't get me wrong. We have already lost the best plasma (Pioneer) and I would hate to see another big player disappearing from the market.

I have a 73" CRT mitsubishi that is 9 years old. It has one leg here and the other on the grave. If by the mid of april mitsubishi do not make their mind, I will jump ship.
I will buy a Vizio. The reason I do not buy a 65" laservue is because I like the 73 and will not go down to a 65".

Mitsubishi made big mistakes with the LV :

-They launched a 65" model, too small for people used to 73" DLPs.
-The 65" LV was available in very few "niche" markets only. Here in South Florida they never showed up.
-The price was wrong. Who would buy a LV instead a 65" plasma at a cheaper price ?
-Few people reported a light leak on the sets. I can't comment on this because I have never seen one.

I do believe the LV can produce a picture to match plasmas and LCDs but the 65" was a complete fiasco in the market. More than a year ago we had news about a 75 and 82" LV that should be available last December. Where are they, how much would they cost ? How bulk would they be ?

I'm sorry but at this point I don't think the big LV will ever materialize, at least not the same fat big screen we know.

I really would like to see Mitsubishi coming with new technology, don't get me wrong. We have already lost the best plasma (Pioneer) and I would hate to see another big player disappearing from the market.

MITS made a whole bunch of mistakes with LV.
- They kept putting off the launch date by years, frustrating consumers who were waiting and waiting......
-They put it out at a ridiculous price and it didn't look a whole lot better than their own Diamond DLP
-Now they gone back to this shroud of secrecy. I know people who have just moved on after wondering if this technolgy is ever going to a second gen.
-Even now there is virtually no buzz over this product. The most recent two month issue(May/Jun) of S&V had a full page MITS ad for DLP & 3-D! Nothing about LV.

Mits is still going to push LaserVue. They'll bring prices down to more reasonable rates and have 65" and 73" models more than likely. They aren't going to give up on that when they are selling them as fast as they can make them.

DLP will be around a while longer. It'll be a while before you can get a 73" LCD or plasma for anywhere close to 1500.

Assuming they learn their lessons from the 1st gen LaserVue, it should be much better this time around.

They aren't going to give up on that when they are selling them as fast as they can make them.

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Do you have any idea how many did they make ? If you make only few hundreds, obviously you can sell everything.

Do you have any idea how many did they make ? If you make only few hundreds, obviously you can sell everything.

I would imagine that they made more than just hundreds, but I don't know how many of course.

I bet we won't see new DLPs in 2011.Agreed.
DLP RPTVs, with or without Laservue, will be dead.
DLP FPs will probably be around for awhile however.

What really sunk the ship is the lack of 3-chip systems.
IIRC, TI wasn't very flexible on prices.

I think in 2010 BlackFriday we will see:

52"-55" LCD $999
60" LCD $1499
72" LCD $2999

so small rooms for DLP, unless the chip maker willing to lower down the price.

I think in 2010 BlackFriday we will see:

52"-55" LCD $999
60" LCD $1499
72" LCD $2999

so small rooms for DLP, unless the chip maker willing to lower down the price.

People having been buying 73" DLP for $1200 to $1500, Costco sells one with a stand for $1400 with a second year of warranty. 65" sets are available for less than a thousand. It cost almost exactly the same to build a 73" DLP as a 65". These are real today street prices not your sepculation about what will be happening 7.5 months from now. I paid $2700 in January for the high end 82". I saw a report of someone buying an 82" set for $1900 a couple of weeks back can't say if it was a 737 or 837. When I was shopping in January I found plenty of vendors willing to sell the 82737 for $2300 in January. So the $1900 price the poster claimed he paid sounds totally reasonable to me.
Keep in mind these Mits sets can do 3D just fine when kitted out properly. I will be surprised to see a 55" 3D LCD for under a grand this year.

82" LCD will be two grand sometime this century, I will specualate on that. It will consume 500 watts of power and be illegal in California but it will nice I am sure.

Come on folks there is a lot of wild guessing going on in this thread. Sure there is no accountability for what anyone says here, but at least be thoughtful before you get your typing fingers in gear.

A 55" 3D Samsund LCD... not the high end model either. $2969

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+55%22+Class+/+1080p+/+240Hz+/+3D+LED-LCD+HDTV/9783533.p?id=1218173780094&skuId=9783533

People having been buying 73" DLP for $1200 to $1500, Costco sells one with a stand for $1400 with a second year of warranty. 65" sets are available for less than a thousand. It cost almost exactly the same to build a 73" DLP as a 65". These are real today street prices not your sepculation about what will be happening 7.5 months from now. I paid $2700 in January for the high end 82". I saw a report of someone buying an 82" set for $1900 a couple of weeks back can't say if it was a 737 or 837. When I was shopping in January I found plenty of vendors willing to sell the 82737 for $2300 in January. So the $1900 price the poster claimed he paid sounds totally reasonable to me.
Keep in mind these Mits sets can do 3D just fine when kitted out properly. I will be surprised to see a 55" 3D LCD for under a grand this year.

82" LCD will be two grand sometime this century, I will specualate on that. It will consume 500 watts of power and be illegal in California but it will nice I am sure.

Come on folks there is a lot of wild guessing going on in this thread. Sure there is no accountability for what anyone says here, but at least be thoughtful before you get your typing fingers in gear.

A 55" 3D Samsund LCD... not the high end model either. $2969

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+55%22+Class+/+1080p+/+240Hz+/+3D+LED-LCD+HDTV/9783533.p?id=1218173780094&skuId=9783533

You must understand that not everybody here is after the cheapest price for the largest set. Some like picture quality as well. You have your opinion about DLP and that's fine but we don't have to agree with you.

You must understand that not everybody here is after the cheapest price for the largest set. Some like picture quality as well. You have your opinion about DLP and that's fine but we don't have to agree with you.

A calibrated DLP has a very nice picture. I'd put it up against any LCD. Plasma still has it beat, but LCD does not. If you hate DLP so much, then why are you visiting this thread?

If you hate DLP so much, then why are you visiting this thread?
Sweet :D

. If you hate DLP so much, then why are you visiting this thread?

I don't hate anything. This is a LV thread and I'm always interested in any new technology. I no longer visit the bulb-DLP threads because for me they are just history .

It cost almost exactly the same to build a 73" DLP as a 65"........ but transportion/storage cost is not the same

not your sepculation about what will be happening 7.5 months from now.:cool: check webprice before you type anything here.......Walmart Proscan 55' LCD TV is selling for $1099 now, Sharp 60" 60E77UN is selling for $1499 in Sears 2 weeks ago

People having been buying 73" DLP for $1200 to $1500, Costco sells one with a stand for $1400 with a second year of warranty. 65" sets are available for less than a thousand. It cost almost exactly the same to build a 73" DLP as a 65". These are real today street prices not your sepculation about what will be happening 7.5 months from now. I paid $2700 in January for the high end 82". I saw a report of someone buying an 82" set for $1900 a couple of weeks back can't say if it was a 737 or 837. When I was shopping in January I found plenty of vendors willing to sell the 82737 for $2300 in January. So the $1900 price the poster claimed he paid sounds totally reasonable to me.
Keep in mind these Mits sets can do 3D just fine when kitted out properly. I will be surprised to see a 55" 3D LCD for under a grand this year.

82" LCD will be two grand sometime this century, I will specualate on that. It will consume 500 watts of power and be illegal in California but it will nice I am sure.

Come on folks there is a lot of wild guessing going on in this thread. Sure there is no accountability for what anyone says here, but at least be thoughtful before you get your typing fingers in gear.

A 55" 3D Samsund LCD... not the high end model either. $2969

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+55%22+Class+/+1080p+/+240Hz+/+3D+LED-LCD+HDTV/9783533.p?id=1218173780094&skuId=9783533

I don't hate anything. This is a LV thread and I'm always interested in any new technology. I no longer visit the bulb-DLP threads because for me they are just history .

Was in a AV store today. They had a 73837 and above it was a Sammy LCD , a Sharp LCD directly to the side and a Sammy Plasma above it. The DLP was even close to any of the three LCD/PLASMS in PQ. Nice , but clearly not close to the other 3.

Was in a AV store today. They had a 73837 and above it was a Sammy LCD , a Sharp LCD directly to the side and a Sammy Plasma above it. The DLP was even close to any of the three LCD/PLASMS in PQ. Nice , but clearly not close to the other 3.
Not to be argumentative, but what were the conditions - ambient lighting, were the sets properly calibrated, what were the sizes of the other sets, what were the prices of the sets (were you comparing with entry level or high end models), etc? It's been well documented that the brighter the set (see comments regarding "torch mode" in reviews) the better perceived the picture will be. Some technologies work better with a lot of ambient light. I'm not saying the DLP is as good as or better than the other sets, but a comparison in a store is unfortunately about the worst way to compare TV's.

The larger DLP's do give the buyer a lot of screen size for their money which is something the LCD's and plasmas can't pull off quite yet, though the gap is closing. I suspect there are a couple of reasons why they haven't been more successful. One is the fact that they're more than an inch deep (I don't see the big deal since mine sits on a stand, but thin is obviously in). The other is that I suspect the market for really big sets is just limited - you need a relatively large room to accommodate a big screen and if married you need permission from the spouse to get the big TV. I see the 2nd reason all the time with friends / coworkers / family where someone wants a big TV and the spouse just won't go for it as they think it will be too big. The 2nd reason will presumably be a limiting factor in large LCD's and plasmas really taking off.

For example, my parents sit a LOT further away from their 32" LCD than I do from my 65" DLP and my mom insisted that anything bigger was crazy. Yet yesterday she was saying she can't read the Comcast DVR guide from where she sits when I was showing her how to use the Harmony remote I set up for them (the Harmony is very well named as it should restore harmony between my parents in making the TV easier to use for mom :D)...

Not to be argumentative, but what were the conditions - ambient lighting, were the sets properly calibrated, what were the sizes of the other sets, what were the prices of the sets (were you comparing with entry level or high end models), etc? It's been well documented that the brighter the set (see comments regarding "torch mode" in reviews) the better perceived the picture will be. Some technologies work better with a lot of ambient light. I'm not saying the DLP is as good as or better than the other sets, but a comparison in a store is unfortunately about the worst way to compare TV's.

The larger DLP's do give the buyer a lot of screen size for their money which is something the LCD's and plasmas can't pull off quite yet, though the gap is closing. I suspect there are a couple of reasons why they haven't been more successful. One is the fact that they're more than an inch deep (I don't see the big deal since mine sits on a stand, but thin is obviously in). The other is that I suspect the market for really big sets is just limited - you need a relatively large room to accommodate a big screen and if married you need permission from the spouse to get the big TV. I see the 2nd reason all the time with friends / coworkers / family where someone wants a big TV and the spouse just won't go for it as they think it will be too big. The 2nd reason will presumably be a limiting factor in large LCD's and plasmas really taking off.

For example, my parents sit a LOT further away from their 32" LCD than I do from my 65" DLP and my mom insisted that anything bigger was crazy. Yet yesterday she was saying she can't read the Comcast DVR guide from where she sits when I was showing her how to use the Harmony remote I set up for them (the Harmony is very well named as it should restore harmony between my parents in making the TV easier to use for mom :D)...

No arguement intended. In fact the 837 had real nice PQ and for the price is an outstanding value for someone looking for a large screen. Don't know if the sets were calibrated or not.

Any news on a LV 73"???

So what is the current state of the DLP rear projection sets? They've become increasingly less common in shops to the point where many of them no longer carry DLPs at all. What happened with the Mitsubishi Laser sets?

I'm not a huge DLP fan, but I hate to see another technology be eliminated from the market. I fear that LCDs are becoming the standard and they simply aren't good enough at this point.

So what is the current state of the DLP rear projection sets? They've become increasingly less common in shops to the point where many of them no longer carry DLPs at all. What happened with the Mitsubishi Laser sets?
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Can't put links but check out paulstv DOT com, a local big screen retailer here in LA. $5k for a 65" Mits Laservue. I think that pretty much explains why they're disappearing from showfloors. As for DLP's, they're still in Fry's and the local big screen stores (Ken Crane's, Paul's TV here in LA).

Was in a AV store today. They had a 73837 and above it was a Sammy LCD , a Sharp LCD directly to the side and a Sammy Plasma above it. The DLP was even close to any of the three LCD/PLASMS in PQ. Nice , but clearly not close to the other 3.

Well the one thing you should be aware of that DLP is usually at big disadvantage when it is in a showroom. The viewing angle is wrong the settings are way, way blown out. All the sets are lit up like crhistmas trees but that requires and even more way out factory default than the other technologies. The 73" and smaller sets make an abundant amount of lite. Unless you are viewing the set in a very bright enviroment, you will be turning it down.

If you have seen a properly calibrated DLP set in a home enviorment, you will find the image quality is quite good. They have excellent blacks, they also have a more film like image. Also if you are comparing a bigger screen to a smaller undersand that it by definition will not be sharp, whether we are talking the same technology. Also if you are viewing DLP from distances closser than it optimal for 1080P you will see negative effects. You can get very close to LCD. It is common for people to stand 4 feet away from a 73" DLP in a store and then find it does look as sharp as an LCD. DLPs have fresnel lenses in the screens and you need to positioned properly eyes mid of the screen, reasonably in line with the display and back to the suggested viewing distance for the size and resoltuion of the display.

If Mitsubishi has anything to release in April, why they don't announce in CES?
That make me think maybe it's all rumor :confused:

talk to mitsh today and they said it will be out soon. so look for the posting. It will withing days.

talk to mitsh today and they said it will be out soon. so look for the posting. It will withing days.

Amazing. I called today also. Talked with some customer care rep. After asking him about future LV televisions he put me on hold for several minutes. When he came back he said new LV units would be out but no date or timetable available.:rolleyes:

Amazing. I called today also. Talked with some customer care rep. After asking him about future LV televisions he put me on hold for several minutes. When he came back he said new LV units would be out but no date or timetable available.:rolleyes:
Well at least you got further than I did. I just spoke with someone a few hours ago and they didn't tell me anything about any new products. Just the ones that have been out for the last year. Maybe the rumors are true and this is it for DLP? :(

Well laser based television does not appear to be dead - there is more news posted on a start-up company claiming to have a 100+" laser based LCoS 3D television that can project polarized light eliminating the need for costly LCD Field Sequential Glasses in favor of polarized glasses similar to those used in IMAX 3D and RealD 3D theater presentations.
http://laser-tv.org/2010/hdi-3d-laser-tv/

new 2010 DLP TV is out, where's LaserVue ? :eek:

and IF Even exists, looks like 73" will be at least 3K+

Looking at the prices on the new Diamond DLP's on the speculation thread, 72 at almost 3 grand and the 82 at 4500, I 'm almost scared to think what the prices might be for LV at those sizes.

and not too many dealer is put existing laservue on clearance now, so 2010 Lasrvue, where are you? :eek:

Here (http://www.mediafire.com/?njntdgoqywd) is the preliminary brochure for the new 75" LaserVue (L75-A91), due in June at an MSRP of $5,999.

Here (http://www.mediafire.com/?njntdgoqywd) is the preliminary brochure for the new 75" LaserVue (L75-A91), due in June at an MSRP of $6,999.

Nice RU Geekman - you are either a cunning forger, or a very well connected informant! ...I'd like to believe you are the latter.

Price is too rich for my blood, but if I start saving now, I may be able to get one on closeout (if comes to market and when it is priced as a closeout).

Well done! I now have something to strive for while seeking to become re-employed! :)

Here (http://www.mediafire.com/?njntdgoqywd) is the preliminary brochure for the new 75" LaserVue (L75-A91), due in June at an MSRP of $6,999.

Thanks for the effort! That price is going to have to come way down though unless they plan on LV being a niche market.

3D still need adapter, and no HDMI 1.4 :confused:

and what's the improvement compare to first Gen?

Here (http://www.mediafire.com/?njntdgoqywd) is the preliminary brochure for the new 75" LaserVue (L75-A91), due in June at an MSRP of $6,999.

I'll try and get you some answers next week.

Thanks!

I'll try and get you some answers next week.

Well laser based television does not appear to be dead - there is more news posted on a start-up company claiming to have a 100+" laser based LCoS 3D television that can project polarized light eliminating the need for costly LCD Field Sequential Glasses in favor of polarized glasses similar to those used in IMAX 3D and RealD 3D theater presentations.
http://laser-tv.org/2010/hdi-3d-laser-tv/

The HDI projector is great. If they have the tv for about 5k retail, will be great.
Mits will be very concern. a lot of us will be buying it.

The HDI projector is great. If they have the tv for about 5k retail, will be great.
Mits will be very concern. a lot of us will be buying it.
They've got Steve Wozniak interested in their product, I have no doubt that he could end up partnering or investing in their company.

Here are the specs and comparison to conventional sets
http://www.3d-display-info.com/files/3d-display/HDI-3D-TV%20specs-and-comparison.pdf

I wish they would bring the smaller display to market first.

Yes a front display at a 70 to 75" on a laser format at a 20k or more life expectancy will be out of this world. --Please make it for me--.

I also like that HDI is LCoS based instead of DLP.

I also like that HDI is LCoS based instead of DLP.
I'm curious how good the geometry is going to be with a 4"-6" cabinet depth - that seems pretty shallow for such a large screen and has been one of the ongoing problems with DLP RPTV's.

75 incher announced...

http://www.tvpredictions.com/mitsubishi062410.htm

75 incher announced...

http://www.tvpredictions.com/mitsubishi062410.htm

Already on the official website:

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/L75A91

-Too bulky: The detailed specs mention 19.7 " !!
-I think it needs a "3D Kit" to work in 3D. Another 300 bucks.
-6K is not cheap. The big Mitsus only sell because they are big and cheap.

I'm convinced that flat is beaultiful, would never buy a monster like this .

Already on the official website:

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/L75A91

-Too bulky: The detailed specs mention 19.7 " !!
-I think it needs a "3D Kit" to work in 3D. Another 300 bucks.
-6K is not cheap. The big Mitsus only sell because they are big and cheap.

I'm convinced that flat is beaultiful, would never buy a monster like this .Eh, no. Your information is incorrect. That's from the shipping dimensions for the CARTON. The depth of the L75-A91 is just 15" -- and that's just the base. The cabinet body is only 12.7" deep, which is less than most 65" plasmas or LCDs when on their stands. You don't need the 3D kit, just a pair of DLP Link Active Shutter Glasses, as long as your Blu-ray player can output in the checkerboard format used by Mitsubishi in all their DLP models. Panasonic has two such models, and more are coming. There has been for quite some time a thread for owners (and would-be owners) of this new model, which you can access here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1108686&page=23). If you do a search of my user name you will find the various spec sheets and technical material that I've linked to in that thread. You may also be interested to know there is a Power Buy for the L75-A91 going on right now (see link in my signature, below). No need to spend $6K!

Already on the official website:

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/L75A91

-Too bulky: The detailed specs mention 19.7 " !!
-I think it needs a "3D Kit" to work in 3D. Another 300 bucks.
-6K is not cheap. The big Mitsus only sell because they are big and cheap.

I'm convinced that flat is beaultiful, would never buy a monster like this .


Well, thankfully, I wasn't trying to sell you one... :rolleyes:

I have one unit of the L65-A90 remaining, at the close-out price of $3,499.95 (plus shipping), with no sales tax if you are located outside of Georgia. It is a brand new, factory-sealed unit and carries the full factory warranty. That's half the list price on the new model, by the way.

I'm convinced that flat is beaultiful, would never buy a monster like this .

Well, anyone who has followed this thread at all would never in a million years have thought you would buy one of these!!!

Yes, thin is cool, and in many applications its important - I own at 4" thick plasma, and I'm sure many would consider that too deep today. On the other hand, my 125" screen in my HT is only about 2" deep, and it doesn't matter! The front of my speakers are about 2 feet from the wall, so the screen could actually be 2 feet deep without any esthetics problems. Surely a 12.7 inch deep TV has lots of places where the depth wouldn't matter.

I'm curious how good the geometry is going to be with a 4"-6" cabinet depth - that seems pretty shallow for such a large screen and has been one of the ongoing problems with DLP RPTV's.

If it's anything like the Samsung slim TV's it will be a headache, these are NEVER 100% right. Geometry is electronically corrected on the new Mits DLP's, not sure what they will do for the Laser.

It's more like 12" plus, if that's any consolation...

Yes, the depth of the cabinet is 12.7", and geometry has been handled quite well.

If it's anything like the Samsung slim TV's it will be a headache, these are NEVER 100% right. Geometry is electronically corrected on the new Mits DLP's, not sure what they will do for the Laser.
Keep in mind that you were responding to an older post that was responding to speculative numbers regarding cabinet depth. Given what we all know about geometry issues with the DLP sets, I was just wondering "out loud" how they would make it work if they went with such a shallow depth. Fortunately, the speculation turned out to be false.
Yes, the depth of the cabinet is 12.7", and geometry has been handled quite well.
Right - I for one am very happy that the rumor of a 4" cabinet depth turned out to be wrong.

75 incher announced...

http://www.tvpredictions.com/mitsubishi062410.htm

Here's the official press release if anyone wants it:
http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/pdf/PR/LargeScreen3DEnt_A_Final_062310.pdf

If it's anything like the Samsung slim TV's it will be a headache, these are NEVER 100% right. Geometry is electronically corrected on the new Mits DLP's, not sure what they will do for the Laser.Geometry is excellent on the LaserVue, per the Sound & Vision review located here (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/tests-reviews/hdtvs/projectors/2009/02/mitsubishi-l65-a90-65-inch-laservue-rear-projection-hdtv) (see page 3, under "Test Bench").

Geometry is excellent on the LaserVue, per the Sound & Vision review located here (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/tests-reviews/hdtvs/projectors/2009/02/mitsubishi-l65-a90-65-inch-laservue-rear-projection-hdtv) (see page 3, under "Test Bench").

That is all well and fine for a year and a half review on the 65" display, but as you have pointed out to us, the L75-A91 is nearly completely re-designed.

I love your informative posts, and would have certainly purchased one from you (catching up after six months unemployed), but can you stop trying to point out how great the new model is, using reviews and specifications from an older model? It just isn't quite a fair comparison - having been re-designed with a slimmer cabinet and all.

That is all well and fine for a year and a half review on the 65" display, but as you have pointed out to us, the L75-A91 is nearly completely re-designed.

I love your informative posts, and would have certainly purchased one from you were it not for catching up after six months unemployed, but can you stop trying to point out how great the new model is, using reviews and specifications from an older model? It just isn't quite a fair comparison - having been re-designed with a slimmer cabinet and all.Point well taken. All I was trying to say is that Mitsubishi had done a good job in this department on the predecessor model. I don't think they would take a step backward in performance with the new model -- slimmer cabinet or not. Obviously, the measurements will speak for themselves once a professional review on the new model is available.

SO which is a good review, black levels, color, geometry for teh 65"?

SO which is a good review, black levels, color, geometry for teh 65"?Sound & Vision is known for their comprehensive reviews. There is one for the L65-A90 located here (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/tests-reviews/hdtvs/projectors/2009/02/mitsubishi-l65-a90-65-inch-laservue-rear-projection-hdtv).