The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies.

Link: http://www.psu.com/87--of-owners-watch-Blu-rays-on-PS3-News--a0002355-p0.php


So basically the only reason Blu-ray probably won was due to the PS3...Too bad for HD-DVD MS didn't have a built in player.

Largely a console format.

I have a PS3, zero PS3 games, and 36 Blu-Ray movies.

i don't think so! since lot people buy ps3 just to play blu-ray!

Doesn't really add up with the movie sales levels though. If this is true shouldn't BD media have outsold HD DVD by 5 to 1 or more?

The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies.

Link: http://www.psu.com/87--of-owners-watch-Blu-rays-on-PS3-News--a0002355-p0.php


So basically the only reason Blu-ray probably won was due to the PS3...Too bad for HD-DVD MS didn't have a built in player.

I guess they only watch the free ones they got with the PS3 then since BD has sold roughly the same number of disks as there are PS3 and standalones together. Or every single owner has bought one disk. Not too promising.

Largely a console format.

Yep. and with 4:1 in hardware and 87% of them actually watching movies they barely took 60:40 against HD DVD.

I hope Warner got a hell of a deal to support a gaming format.

Do they all share one Blu-ray disc? Have you seen the volume of sales for Blu-ray? How on earth could that be true?

The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies.

Link: http://www.psu.com/87--of-owners-watch-Blu-rays-on-PS3-News--a0002355-p0.php


So basically the only reason Blu-ray probably won was due to the PS3...Too bad for HD-DVD MS didn't have a built in player.

Doh! Of course they watch blu-ray! Does that mean they bought the PS3 specifically to watch movies, certainly not! We'll see on the long term. Sony just want to hammer the fact that they're winning.

The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies.

Link: http://www.psu.com/87--of-owners-watch-Blu-rays-on-PS3-News--a0002355-p0.php


So basically the only reason Blu-ray probably won was due to the PS3...Too bad for HD-DVD MS didn't have a built in player.

if that were true, we'd have seen millions of blu discs sold over HD DVD. Pure BS.

Largely a console format.

just like when DVD started up, isn't it?

i don't think so! since lot people buy ps3 just to play blu-ray!

LOL.. yeah that must be it.. the majority of people has bought PS3 as a gaming console with the possibility of Blu-ray not the other way around.

With these numbers it's quite obvious why Blu-Ray couldn't outpace HD DVD significantly in sales despite the massive 4:1 advantage including PS3s.

But that's the problem with gaming formats.

Do they all share one Blu-ray disc? Have you seen the volume of sales for Blu-ray? How on earth could that be true?

whole lotta renting goin' on

Yep. and with 4:1 in hardware and 87% of them actually watching movies they barely took 60:40 against HD DVD.

I hope Warner got a hell of a deal to support a gaming format.didn't you hear? now that there's only one format, everyone is gonna run out and get an HDTV:rolleyes:

if that were true, we'd have seen millions of blu discs sold over HD DVD. Pure BS.
Well.......yeah.......all one need to see is "Sony announced" - like the back end of a horse, only one thing coming out of there :D

It's not like they have a choice. It only has a blu-ray drive!!!

Maybe they meant 87% of users have played a Blu-ray movie in their console. Kind of a stupid statistic if you ask me.

These figures were drawn from an internet-based survey conducted by Sony.
:rolleyes:

87% is too high. I bet not even close to 87% of ps3 owners have high def displays. The enthusiast internet crowd was likely the primary respondent to the poll which would explain it.

I've got 30 Blu Ray movies and only 2 PS3 games which I haven't really played. I guess I fall into that 87%.

Don't all PS3 consoles come with a movie now?

Don't all PS3 consoles come with a movie now?
Nah, 40gb did/does.

I have 3 PS3 games and 10 Blu-Ray discs.

Too bad for HD-DVD MS didn't have a built in player.

Where do you get this logic? If Xbox360 had a built-in HD-DVD player, it would've had the same problems the PS3 faced in its first year, PLUS all the problem the 360 faced on its own.

360 is better off the way is... at least when it comes to HD-DVD/No-HD-DVD.

Maybe they meant 87% of users have played a Blu-ray movie in their console. Kind of a stupid statistic if you ask me.

That must be what they meant. I wonder how many of that 87% views a BD on an SD set?

Unless they're trying to tell me at least 87% of PS3 owners have an HDTV (ha!)

Nah, 40gb did/does.

Those come with SM3, right? Didn't the 20GB or 60GB come with Talladega Nights?

I don't think 87% is too high IF the question is "Have you EVER played a BD disc in your PS3?".

Considering 2 models of the PS3 have come with a movie in the box...

You guys are taking Sony's word on this? Was was the population size polled? Who did the polling? Let me guess, Sony. As far as i know, they could have polled just 30 people and 26 said they did only use it as a BR player. That would give them 87%. That is way too small a population poll when there are 5+ millions PS3 out there. That's not even 1% of the PS3 crowd. Tell them to attach these data points and I might take it seriously. Now if they say they polled 500,000 people than, that gives Sony more reputable creed because that is at least 10% of the owners.

That must be what they meant. I wonder how many of that 87% views a BD on an SD set?

Unless they're trying to tell me at least 87% of PS3 owners have an HDTV (ha!)

Excellent point. There is no way 87% of PS3s are hooked to an HDTV!

You guys are taking Sony's word on this. Was was the population size polled? Who did the polling? As far as i know, they could have polled just 30 people and 26 said they did. That gives them 87%. That is way too small a population poll when there are 5+ millions PS3 out there. That's not even 1% of the PS3 crowd. Tell them to attach these data points and I might take it seriously.

Good point. Maybe they polled 30 people at the Sony booth at CES.

the survey didn't ask if you are using an HDTV, so i'm sure many of those responses are from people with SDtv's still.

OK, I figured this out.

PS3 games come on BD25s..blu-ray discs. Have you ever watched a PS3 game on your PS3? Yes? Sony counts you!

The only problem is that 13% who just watch SD DVDs and play PS2 games. Sony needs to work on them!:D

1ps3 game 25 blu ray...

xbox 360 15 games....

gaming machine: xbox

movie machine: ps3


no one will get this shadowed statistic

Doesn't really add up with the movie sales levels though. If this is true shouldn't BD media have outsold HD DVD by 5 to 1 or more?


yeah, I dont believe this at all. If so the Bluray movie sales would be much better. You go to Best buy and both HD-DVD and Bluray dont look like most people are buying much.

Some of you guys act suprised.

Have you not been to the Blu-Ray hardware forums?

The most recommended device, by far, is the PS3.

i don't think so! since lot people buy ps3 just to play blu-ray!


A little overkill isn't it? Why pay for a Bluray player AND a game console.. when you don't need a game console.

Where is the equally featured standalone player for cheaper?

That's like buying an full sized oven just to make toast.

This number doesn't jive with the other numbers that have been obtained by independent sources.

This number doesn't jive with the other numbers that have been obtained by independent sources.

While I'm inclined to take this number with a grain of salt. I'd like to see the hard data on these independant sources as well...Have any links?

'meh, we needed a post for the obvious? :rolleyes:

Truthfully, aside from the sample size we don't know, I wouldn't have too hard of a time believing this. With the packed in movies and/or the opportunity to rent. I bet most owners have at least tried it, whether they have an HDTV or not.

This number doesn't jive with the other numbers that have been obtained by independent sources.

It can jive. Depends on how you look at the definition of "watching."

1. This comes from Sony - so take it with a grain of salt.

2. IF . . . (BIG IF) 87% of all PS3's had a coupon ot a free BD in the box then you can speculate that they have all put a BD in their PS3. They do pack a Red, White and Yellow cable in the box so all can hook up their PS3 to a TV. Question is what kind of a TV . . . HDTV or NTSC?

3. There is a survey that says over 80% of PS3's are attached to HDTV's. THIS I really doubt because of the 30% household penetration of HDTV. The numbers don't make sense at all.

If this % is true then it would show that most PS3 owners are not buying movies. Not based on the number of machines installed versus the number of discs sold. And this is the master plan of Sony - use those PS3's to grow BD.

I've got 30 Blu Ray movies and only 2 PS3 games which I haven't really played. I guess I fall into that 87%.

I have 50 blu ray movies and only one game for PS3 motostorm baby!!! I fail worse than you...

I'm thinking some people misread this...

IT IS NOT
"87% of PS3 owners use the PS3 for watching Blu-ray"


IT IS
"87% of Blu-ray Movie watchers use a PS3 to do it."

That's a little optimistic but not crazy. Just bump it to 80-83% area and I'll believe it.

You guys are taking Sony's word on this? Was was the population size polled? Who did the polling? Let me guess, Sony. As far as i know, they could have polled just 30 people and 26 said they did only use it as a BR player. That would give them 87%. That is way too small a population poll when there are 5+ millions PS3 out there. That's not even 1% of the PS3 crowd. Tell them to attach these data points and I might take it seriously. Now if they say they polled 500,000 people than, that gives Sony more reputable creed because that is at least 10% of the owners.

I'm neutral (A2 & PS3), but I remember filling out a survey about Blu-ray, HDTV, Games, TV on DVD, etc. that was sent to my email. My guess is that these surveys led to this conclusion from Sony. Just a guess though...

While I'm inclined to take this number with a grain of salt. I'd like to see the hard data on these independant sources as well...Have any links?

They have been posted here at AVS before, I don't have the links readily available here at work, hopefully I'll remember to look for them when I get home, or perhaps someone else might have them available to post.

Everyone knows that you can manipulate stats to make them portray whatever point you want them to.

The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies.

Link: http://www.psu.com/87--of-owners-watch-Blu-rays-on-PS3-News--a0002355-p0.php


So basically the only reason Blu-ray probably won was due to the PS3...Too bad for HD-DVD MS didn't have a built in player.
IT IS NOT
"87% of PS3 owners use the PS3 for watching Blu-ray"


IT IS
"87% of Blu-ray Movie watchers use a PS3 to do it."




My english isn't THAT bad, but aren't you saying the former here??


Also a paste from the article

"The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies."

I'm thinking some people misread this...

IT IS NOT
"87% of PS3 owners use the PS3 for watching Blu-ray"


IT IS
"87% of Blu-ray Movie watchers use a PS3 to do it."

That's a little optimistic but not crazy. Just bump it to 80-83% area and I'll believe it.

If it is the 2nd claim, then I most certainly can believe it but the OP said the following:

"The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies."

Which is not the same as your 2nd statement.

I'm thinking some people misread this...

IT IS NOT
"87% of PS3 owners use the PS3 for watching Blu-ray"


IT IS
"87% of Blu-ray Movie watchers use a PS3 to do it."

That's a little optimistic but not crazy. Just bump it to 80-83% area and I'll believe it.

If this is the case then all Sony is doing is staying . . .NO . . it's not 92% PS3's . . . it's 87%. The other 13% are using an SAL to watch BD's.

I see no problem with that at all. Probably the truth of the matter.

I have 50 blu ray movies and only one game for PS3 motostorm baby!!! I fail worse than you...

LOL :p

A little overkill isn't it? Why pay for a Bluray player AND a game console.. when you don't need a game console.

Where is the equally featured standalone player for cheaper?

That's like buying an full sized oven just to make toast.

The PS3 is probably the most future-proof BR player on the market. It was updated to profile 1.1 and I expect it to be able to be updated to 2.0 when the time comes.

Besides, I like the fact that I know I can bake some bread in the oven even though I'm only using it for toast :cool:

LOL :p



The PS3 is probably the most future-proof BR player on the market. It was updated to profile 1.1 and I expect it to be able to be updated to 2.0 when the time comes.

Besides, I like the fact that I know I can bake some bread in the oven even though I'm only using it for toast :cool:

Sony stated in the BD-Live conference that the 2.0 FW UP for the PS3 should come out about Jan. 22nd.

They used only PS3's to do all the demo's.

Guys, guys. The 87% percent of PS3 owners watching Blu-ray movies means they just had to watch one movie to respond "yes" to the question.

You know what guys, now I'M confused!

The article headline reads like I thought it meant, but the body reads the OPPOSITE!

Oi!

For the record, Sony wouldn't want their other CE manufacturers to know this would they? ^_^;

With an attach rate of only 0.4 Blu-Ray discs per PS3, it would seem that most folks only watch the free copy of Spiderman 3 that came with their PS3.

If this is the case then all Sony is doing is staying . . .NO . . it's not 92% PS3's . . . it's 87%. The other 13% are using an SAL to watch BD's.

I see no problem with that at all. Probably the truth of the matter.

That doesn't appear to be what their saying at all. The jist of the article seems to be that, in spite of others claiming; that the gaming console has no impact on the format war at all, it seems that, in fact, 87% of the PS3 owners who participated in the online survey said they have used their console to watch blu-ray movies. They further go on to say that 87% intend to buy additional movies and 84% intend to rent at some point.

Question is, how many people participated...

I think Sony is really just trying to say that all these PS3 owners are using it for that purpose and should be considered when determining the install base, etc...

LOL :p



The PS3 is probably the most future-proof BR player on the market. It was updated to profile 1.1 and I expect it to be able to be updated to 2.0 when the time comes.

Besides, I like the fact that I know I can bake some bread in the oven even though I'm only using it for toast :cool:

Yeah yeah I keep hearing the same "but it's the best bluray player for the money" argument.. which is EXACTLY my issue. Why is the BEST Bluray player for the money a game console. What if I only want a Bluray player! Nobody seems to understand that.. except the HD-DVD crowd.

In any respect.. I will continue to wait until a better alternative.. a player to that plays movies and THATS IT comes along...

I don't mind getting more for the same price (i.e. a game console) but I refuse to pay more for something i'll never use. Xbox 360 meets my household gaming needs already. If a "player only" arrives with the same features as the PS3 but removes the added cost of a gaming console.. I'll be first in line.

The PS3 is probably the most future-proof BR player on the market. It was updated to profile 1.1 and I expect it to be able to be updated to 2.0 when the time comes.

Replace the word MOST with the word ONLY and you're right. It's the only player on the market capable of being upgraded to the feature-complete Profile 2.0.

What if I only want a Bluray player!
Then throw away the controller, buy the remote (or IR adapter), and set the PS3 to autoplay movies when you insert the disc.

Problem solved.

Yep. and with 4:1 in hardware and 87% of them actually watching movies they barely took 60:40 against HD DVD.


According to the current Amazon Bestsellers in DVD (include HDM) 8 of the first 25 titles are Blu-Ray, the first one being #8.

The first HD DVD title is #43, the second #113. One HD DVD amond the 100 bestsellers, ouch..

Must be more dramatic than 60:40.

Ther is as always allot of interpretation needed in these PR statements.

It may well be something close to this to get that percentag on paper:

Survey: Did you watch blu-ray movies on your PS3 ?

Consumer filling in the survey: Yes , the pack in.
And so company X adds another to the stats to present their investors :)

EDI:my apologies i only read the first page and did not see others already made this point.

I am kind of in the sm boat even tho i want to get a PS3 once it gets games my amp wich is very new does not have HDMI so i and allot of others wont get lossles and thus for me it would not be the best bluray player to buy. I will simply have to wait for a dual player with profile 2 for the br part.

I've only played 1 game on my PS3 lol (I mostly play on 360). Otherwise it's been an excellent Blu Ray player and DVD upconverter.

Then throw away the controller, buy the remote (or IR adapter), and set the PS3 to autoplay movies when you insert the disc.

Problem solved.

<shaking my head> grrrrrrrrrrrrr.... But you just made me pay for something I don't want... a game console.... I'm not going to "throw away money" just to enjoy the format.

lol an internet based survay.

How many people were polled ? I bet its all of the people who recieved spiderman 3 free with the system.

<shaking my head> grrrrrrrrrrrrr.... But you just made me pay for something I don't want... a game console.... I'm not going to "throw away money" just to enjoy the format.

Then buy a standalone. What's the problem?

I have a PS3, zero PS3 games, and 36 Blu-Ray movies.

A PS3, one game, and 104 BluRay movies.

I'm thinking some people misread this...

IT IS NOT
"87% of PS3 owners use the PS3 for watching Blu-ray"


IT IS
"87% of Blu-ray Movie watchers use a PS3 to do it."

He he, your comment actually sounds about correct, but the article does indeed say
The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies.

That's a load of BS, just look at the source - it's Sony. Just a couple months ago, there was a survey that was linked to on these forums that was done by an independent party and it said something like 50% of PS3 owners didn't even know it could play Blu-ray movies and around 20-30% had actually played one. Either there was mass educational programs distributed to the PS3 owners or this is just more spin. My bet is on the latter.

On that note, who really cares how many PS3 owners watch movies? ;)

The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies.

Link: http://www.psu.com/87--of-owners-watch-Blu-rays-on-PS3-News--a0002355-p0.php


So basically the only reason Blu-ray probably won was due to the PS3...Too bad for HD-DVD MS didn't have a built in player.

Wasn't it 20% just three months ago?

That seems like one an awfully big jump.

He he, your comment actually sounds about correct, but the article does indeed say


That's a load of BS, just look at the source - it's Sony. Just a couple months ago, there was a survey that was linked to on these forums that was done by an independent party and it said something like 50% of PS3 owners didn't even know it could play Blu-ray movies and around 20-30% had actually played one. Either there was mass educational programs distributed to the PS3 owners or this is just more spin. My bet is on the latter.

On that note, who really cares how many PS3 owners watch movies? ;)

I believe this was the info you are talking about:

http://www.thediffusiongroup.com/The-Multimedia-Future-of-Next-Gen-Game-Consoles-Remains-Uncertain.htm

2 games, 17 BR movies.

The number seems way too high, but remember that there was only a very small window of actual units sold where one did not get one or more BDs free with the PS3. The initial run included Talladega Nights and I recall the 5-disc offer starting within 6mo of the TN bundle disappearing (July 1?) and is still ongoing. Now people immediately get Spiderman 3 in the box in addition to the 5 free discs. I'd have to guess that people who get something for free would at least sample the freebie. What's important is the percentage of people who *bought* blu-ray movies, which does appear to be rather low.

The Warner announcement might change things for those with concerns about player longevity, but most people I know don't see a difference in PQ or AQ. Further they're turned off by the price of the movies having gotten used to $15 new release DVDs over the last few years, not to mention basically disposable players. This is the same cycle I saw when I first got a DVD player 10 years ago. People claimed they didn't see a difference between DVD and VHS. After doing some demos I noticed their interests were generally piqued by the extras, something VHS could not reasonably deliver and Laserdisc did not deliver conveniently or inexpensively.

Without some sort of game-changing situation like an across the board drop in hw/sw pricing or discontinuation of DVD I never thought HD or BD would ever be anything more than a niche market like Laserdisc, despite what the cinephiles and videophiles around here might think. Neither HD DVD or Blu-ray have changed or really can change the way people watch movies and that may be the most critical failure of both formats.

just like when DVD started up, isn't it?

I bought DVD in its first month, and I can assure you, there was no game console I watched my movie on.

With an attach rate of only 0.4 Blu-Ray discs per PS3, it would seem that most folks only watch the free copy of Spiderman 3 that came with their PS3.

or maybe they are renting movies to watch on it.

I could see it now from that fanatic site we all know about...

Sony exec 1 - 'we need to show the people that the PS3 is very favored by Blu-ray movie format supporters... how do we do this?'

Sony exec 2 - 'well we have the defense force from a certain forum, I'm sure if we mention it over there they will show support. Actually, let's JUST show it there...'

anonymous forum poster - 'Hey guys, Sony is having another poll on who uses their PS3s for watching Blu-ray, let's support the cause and vote pro-blu!'



There's no way in hell 87% of PS3s watch Blu-rays. Maybe if that's due to the freebies but 87%?! Sounds to me like another rigged poll... Of everyone I personally know who own PS3s, neglecting the freebies, none watch Blu-rays. I know, it's anectodal but I own more Blu-rays then all of them combined and I haven't even purchased by PS3 yet.

just like when DVD started up, isn't it?

And what console was around that played DVDs when DVD started up?

The PS2 came out with support for DVD playback 3 years later, when you could get a DVD player for much less than the $300 sticker price of a PS3. I've seen other people attribute DVD's success to the PS2 before...where the heck is this idea coming from?

:rolleyes:

87% is too high. I bet not even close to 87% of ps3 owners have high def displays. The enthusiast internet crowd was likely the primary respondent to the poll which would explain it.

Hit the nail right on the head. If the PS3 was driven by HDM enthusiasts the attach rate would skyrocket. An HDM enthusiast for either format will have the same amount of movies (probably all of the available releases).

However, I don't think the previous poll concerning people's awareness of the PS3's Blu-ray capabilities was accurate; I have enough confidence in the intelligence of others (people who purchase any HDM console) to know something was not scientifically correct in the design of the survey.

And what console was around that played DVDs when DVD started up?

The PS2 came out with support for DVD playback 3 years later, when you could get a DVD player for much less than the $300 sticker price of a PS3. I've seen other people attribute DVD's success to the PS2 before...where the heck is this idea coming from?

120 million people. I could see the PS2 capturing a large youth demographic. Kid gets the PS2 and starts renting DVDs. Parents are still watching VHS and grow jealous of the PQ and ease of use.

Seems no one "reads" anymore. The link states that 87% of the users have UTILIZED the blu-ray feature to watch a movie.

"These figures were drawn from an internet-based survey conducted by Sony."


As for the PS as a Blu-ray player...that is what I use.

Why?

1) WIRELESS. I do not know WHO the moron was that thought constant bios updates are required for HDM but to me this is a HUGE flaw. I have not met a single person that has internet near the TV and out of those there are few that could run it let alone figure out how to update the machine. Wireless is the only way to go. Until they produce a standalone with wireless I will not own one.

2) Ease of updates. I would guess that HD-DVDs are just as easy to update but I can't speak for them. Just a couple button clicks and the system is updating the machine.

3) Future-proof, pretty much says it all. Yes I am a blu-supporter but think that profiles, though not a "bad" idea, were very poorly implemented.

4) System can store music, or videos on a hard-drive that is easily upgraded if need be. Add to that the ability to play more formats then any of the stand-alone you end up with much more then a HDM / DVD player in the end, a media center.

5) Can play games IF you wanted.

6) Can surf the web IF you wanted with connection of a full keyboard allowed.


To me it is certainly the best player for what you get out of it. If you don't need any of the "other" features then get a stand-alone...

87% of owners watch Blu-rays on PS3
I'd like the see the inverse statistic: what percentage of PS3 owners have purchased a PS3 game. I bet it would be no higher than 87%.

I bought DVD in its first month, and I can assure you, there was no game console I watched my movie on.

but for many people, the ps2 WAS their first DVD player. even more so in Europe. I never said it was YOURS.

but for many people, the ps2 WAS their first DVD player. even more so in Europe. I never said it was YOURS.

perhaps, but at the initial start of DVD, it wasnt gamers pushing adoption of a format.

The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies.

Link: http://www.psu.com/87--of-owners-watch-Blu-rays-on-PS3-News--a0002355-p0.php


So basically the only reason Blu-ray probably won was due to the PS3...Too bad for HD-DVD MS didn't have a built in player.

Lets see the math . . . . .

It can jive. Depends on how you look at the definition of "watching."

3. There is a survey that says over 80% of PS3's are attached to HDTV's. THIS I really doubt because of the 30% household penetration of HDTV. The numbers don't make sense at all.


2000 US census shows 105 million households. .3x105,000,000=31,500,000 Last time I looked 31.5million was significantly greater than the 5-6million PS3s shipped worldwide. So why the doubt?

Has anyone ever read an internet poll that was accurate? Most online polls can be easily hacked and ballot-stuffed. Seriously, Sony shouldn't even be publishing these numbers.

Again this 87% means absolutely nothing without the amount of people polled. If they said, "Out of 1 million people polled, 87% used their PS3 as a BR player" that would be something. That's why they don't include the amount of people polled. They know it is not measurable at best. Any reliable research data has to have a good sample of the population to be worthy.

EVERYONE WHO BUYS A PS3 GETS 5 FREE MOVIES!!!!!! FOR CHRIST's SAKE PEOPLE... THINK


www.BluraySavings.com

My buddy bought a PS3 and plays it on an ancient JVC tube tv. I asked him, "Why did you rush to buy a PS3?", he responsed, "It was on sale for $400." I laughed and then he laughed and then I asked him, "What games are out or fun to play"? We must of laughed for about five minutes.

He's planning on buying a HDTV, but later this year... Good 'ol Sony and their fancy marketing!

EVERYONE WHO BUYS A PS3 GETS 5 FREE MOVIES!!!!!! FOR CHRIST's SAKE PEOPLE... THINK


www.BluraySavings.com

And? That includes other players besides the PS3, and HD DVD has been doing that, too.

80% of the people arguing in this thread thought this video was about them: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RUCbPvP5H9k

You guys have heard of Blockbuster and Netflix right? The first thing that came to my mind was rental. The OP just says "watching" not "buying."

And the last numbers I saw from Nielsen back in December put the HDTV attach rate for PS3 at around 71 percent, topping both the 360 and Wii.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/20/ps3-owners-most-connected-to-hdtv-xbox-360-wii-not-far-behind/

Again this 87% means absolutely nothing without the amount of people polled. If they said, "Out of 1 million people polled, 87% used their PS3 as a BR player" that would be something. That's why they don't include the amount of people polled. They know it is not measurable at best. Any reliable research data has to have a good sample of the population to be worthy.

How many polls of ANY kind do you know of that have a one million person sample? The entire point of random sample polling is to extrapolate the preferences of a large group by using data from a smaller number of people within that group.

Why is the BEST Bluray player for the money a game console.

Because the PS3 is a freaking super-computer and is highly subsidized. I mean, if Sony is going to sell that powerful of a computer system for $400, you would be nuts to buy anything else as a blu-ray player.

Due to the PS3's gaming side, the production volume is 20 times higher than any other HDM hardware on the market, which drives the price down substantially as well, making it an extraordinary value.

You get a profile 2.0 blu-ray player that is faster than most stand-alones, plus all the other stuff that comes along with the PS3 (and it's more than just gaming and movies).

I've always maintained from the start that the PS3 is ultimately what will be responsible for blu-ray winning the format war, and that is abundantly obvious at this point.

"The Sony Corporation" that should sum up the truth to that figure right off the bat.

120 million people. I could see the PS2 capturing a large youth demographic. Kid gets the PS2 and starts renting DVDs. Parents are still watching VHS and grow jealous of the PQ and ease of use.

I got my first dvd player in 1998 which was 2 full years before the ps2 ever came out. It was $650 bucks.


In 2000 you could buy a dvd player for about $200-300 depending on what brand. The ps2 was sold out almost every where that year . The ps2 took off in 2001 but dvd launched in 97. So thats 4 years after the dvd format launched in the states . At that point it was already taking off.


Linking the ps2 to dvd's rise is like linking the cloth in a hot air balloon for its rise

the free bluray movie that came w/ the ps3 counts as "yes". duh! it was an internal survey by sony. what did u expect the outcome to be? sheeesh.

the free bluray movie that came w/ the ps3 counts as "yes". duh! it was an internal survey by sony. what did u expect the outcome to be? sheeesh.

I got this survey like 6 months ago, long before the PS3 SKU that had Spiderman 3 packed in was released. Mine didn't come with a movie. I know that when it launched the first few shipments had Talledega Nights packed in, but there's been a whole lot of PS3 systems sold without a pack-in.

But whatever...believe what you want to believe.

Well, maybe I'm the odd man out, but there is no way in hell I will ever stick a PS3 in my living room. The sad (and odd) part about it is that there is really nothing else that Blu Ray has to offer in terms of players that can playback what the PS3 can in it's price range.

Well, maybe I'm the odd man out, but there is no way in hell I will ever stick a PS3 in my living room. The sad (and odd) part about it is that there is really nothing else that Blu Ray has to offer in terms of players that can playback what the PS3 can in it's price range.


You're not the odd man out.

I've ran across several posters at this forum who believe a gaming console is far beneath them and would never think of "dirtying" up their home entertainment setup with one.

Despite the fact that the PS3 is one of the cheapest Blu-Ray players on the market, has pretty much the best Blu-Ray playback on the market, and is the only Blu-Ray player in existence that will be fully forward compatible with any and all future Blu-Ray specs.

I got this survey like 6 months ago, long before the PS3 SKU that had Spiderman 3 packed in was released. Mine didn't come with a movie. I know that when it launched the first few shipments had Talledega Nights packed in, but there's been a whole lot of PS3 systems sold without a pack-in.

But whatever...believe what you want to believe.

and i'm sure there were surveys after the freebie movie. face it, the survey is skewed. it should be an independant survey. sorry, i'm not drinking the koolaid.

final thought... wasn't there some some survey that said that most ps3 owners didn't even know their ps3 is bluray capable? given this, how can 80%+ use their ps3 to watch bluray movies? it doesn't jive. break out the koolaid... oh yeeeeahhh

These figures were drawn from an internet-based survey conducted by Sony.


Nuff said.

Nuff said.

internet based survey.. that's even worse. the survey is even more skewed.

I bought the PS3 for movies in October or November, 2007. I bought 1 game and 2 movies that night too... plus cables and the BT Remote. Since then I've collected 20 Blu-Ray movies. Still only 1 game. And I know at least 3 other people who did just what I did for the same reason in the past 4 months. The PS3 is the best Blu-Ray player currently available, and I'll explain something else for those of you who seem to be too stuck in a narrow mindset.

Many of the people who bought the PS3 for movies, also bought it over other players for it's features, capabilities, upgradability AND, if the format ever lost, it was a freaking PC that could run Linux, can be used as a network component, can play games, and can be used online. SO even if you are in doubt about why people would buy a game console for a movie player, just realize that there are incredible advantages in doing so... very much like those XBox owners who got the addon HD DVD player... they invested a small amout towards a player and if the format dies, they still recoup the cost of the other portions of the device. Sure the movies are a loss, but not if you decide to sell them.

I'm not bashing HD DVD, just explaining that the PS3 is a great choice for many reasons, but if all you want is a console, the Panasonic DMP-BD30 or to be released DMP-BD50 are probably best. Or get one of the many Pioneer's. No problem.

How many polls of ANY kind do you know of that have a one million person sample? The entire point of random sample polling is to extrapolate the preferences of a large group by using data from a smaller number of people within that group.


Easy, the 4 out of 5 Dentist prefer Crest gives data. We don't even know that this is a RANDOM SAMPLE Poll as you claim. Who's to say Sony didn't exclude data they didn't like hearing. Happens all the time with drug companies and their data. They throw out data that doesn't support what they want to hear. It is so easy to get research that supports what only you want to hear.

My whole thing is there are supposedly 5+ million PS3 and if they only polled 30 people and 26 said that they used the PS3 as a BR Player (87%), then that is only a 0.0006% of the PS3 population. You can't possibly extrapolate that then to say that it applies to the entire group at large then. Where was the poll taken? Was it done at a Sony Store in front of the BR movies section, or was it done at a sony corp meeting and they asked this of the employees of sony. That's my whole point, using this number of 87% is pointless and useless without more data. What if someone took 1 person out at Bestbuy standing in front of the HD DVD section and said which one is the better format? He or she said HD DVD and they extrapolate that and say 100% of the people polled prefer HD DVD as the better format? Does it make it right? BR Fans would be yelling bull.... That is my whole point. Take these surveys with a grain of salt. All marketing hype with no disclosure.

And Bill0527 who says you got "A Survey" 6 months ago, doesn't mean that it was used for this "87% survey". Again no data on when and how the survey was done.

Nothing against it, just taught to read through research and question?
1) Who paid for or did the survey?
2) How was the poll done? Was it a double blind survey- Tester and Surveyor don't know anything. Match through numbers by a 3rd party.
3) Was a sizable population polled.
These are the bare requirements to any reputable survey.

Easy, the 4 out of 5 Dentist prefer Crest gives data. We don't even know that this is a RANDOM SAMPLE Poll as you claim. Who's to say Sony didn't exclude data they didn't like hearing. Happens all the time with drug companies and their data. They throw out data that doesn't support what they want to hear. It is so easy to get research that supports what only you want to hear.

My whole thing is there are supposedly 5+ million PS3 and if they only polled 30 people and 26 said that they used the PS3 as a BR Player (87%), then that is only a 0.0006% of the PS3 population. You can't possibly extrapolate that then to say that it applies to the entire group at large then. Where was the poll taken? Was it done at a Sony Store in front of the BR movies section, or was it done at a sony corp meeting and they asked this of the employees of sony. That's my whole point, using this number of 87% is pointless and useless without more data. What if someone took 1 person out at Bestbuy standing in front of the HD DVD section and said which one is the better format? He or she said HD DVD and they extrapolate that and say 100% of the people polled prefer HD DVD as the better format? Does it make it right? BR Fans would be yelling bull.... That's is my whole point. Take these surveys with a grain of salt. All marketing hype with no disclosure.

Do you even think before you post this kind of pure fanboy nonsense? EVERYONE who buys a PS3 get FIVE free BD's OK? EVERYONE is going to watch their FIVE free BD's, so OBVIOUSLY 87% of people are going to watch BD's on their PS3. How hard is that for you to understand? Why does this thread even exist?

Largely a console format.
Would that be why it took me weeks to find a Blu-ray title unavailable on HD-DVD worth buying?

Well, when you include a free blockbuster movie with the cheapest and best Blu-ray player offerings instead of a game, one would think the majority of buyers would play that movie in it.

Not to mention, all the PS3 advertising pushes it as a Blu-ray player FIRST with only a quick mention that it plays games.

I'm only saying that it's pretty obvious that 87% now watch movies with their PS3.


(What's sad, is that Sony had to tell eveybody with advertising and promotion that the PS3 can play Blu-ray movies.)

Do you even think before you post this kind of pure fanboy nonsense? EVERYONE who buys a PS3 get FIVE free BD's OK? EVERYONE is going to watch their FIVE free BD's, so OBVIOUSLY 87% of people are going to watch BD's on their PS3. How hard is that for you to understand? Why does this thread even exist?

I know this is all nonsense. That's my whole point. This is all meaningless.

The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies.

Link: http://www.psu.com/87--of-owners-watch-Blu-rays-on-PS3-News--a0002355-p0.php


So basically the only reason Blu-ray probably won was due to the PS3...Too bad for HD-DVD MS didn't have a built in player.

Then I wonder how they are getting them because 87% certainly are NOT buying them.

Rentals I guess.......

Then I wonder how they are getting them because 87% certainly are NOT buying them.

Rentals I guess.......

DEAR GOD!!!

http://bluraysavings.com/

You're not the odd man out.

I've ran across several posters at this forum who believe a gaming console is far beneath them and would never think of "dirtying" up their home entertainment setup with one.

Despite the fact that the PS3 is one of the cheapest Blu-Ray players on the market, has pretty much the best Blu-Ray playback on the market, and is the only Blu-Ray player in existence that will be fully forward compatible with any and all future Blu-Ray specs.


mabye its the fact that the ps3 is a huge fugly piece of hardware ?

Look almost all my boxes look the same. My wii , hd dvd player , cable box all fit in my unit , all look nice , are basicly the same height and same squareish look.

The 360 doesn't look as nice as them , its big and bulky but at least something (the wii ) can stack on it

The ps3 is like a hunch back . I can't put anything on it and because of the hunch it wont fit inside my unit.

Many of us want something nice that blends in with our other ce equipment. The ps3 doesn't do that

Sorry guys, the actual quote is "87% of PS3 owners can spell 'Blu-Ray'..."

;)

mabye its the fact that the ps3 is a huge fugly piece of hardware ?

Look almost all my boxes look the same. My wii , hd dvd player , cable box all fit in my unit , all look nice , are basicly the same height and same squareish look.

The 360 doesn't look as nice as them , its big and bulky but at least something (the wii ) can stack on it

The ps3 is like a hunch back . I can't put anything on it and because of the hunch it wont fit inside my unit.

Many of us want something nice that blends in with our other ce equipment. The ps3 doesn't do that

I was going to buy HD-DVD, but I felt that Toshiba products looked too ugly so I went with Blu-Ray instead.

Oh FYI you can put your PS3 on the top of the stack, not just the middle or bottom of it. Your stack does have a top right?

The ps3 is like a hunch back . I can't put anything on it and because of the hunch it wont fit inside my unit.
The PS3 is smaller than most standard AV receivers in all dimensions.

If your AV cabinet can't fit something the size of a standard AV receiver, I would suggest buying a new one.

Why, of course the PS3 is the reason Blu-ray is so successful... There's hardly any "must have" games to make PS3 owners happy. Either that, or people must finally be figuring out that the PS3 is far better than any current standalone, except for Panasonic's BD players. There's loads of speculations and adding things up about all this, it just all boils down to integration of next-gen technology, and pushing it to win a format war, as opposed to the gaming end of things, vs. a console that charges too much extra for an addon, yet, has a large saturation of games of high-def quality to make up for it.

Yep. and with 4:1 in hardware and 87% of them actually watching movies they barely took 60:40 against HD DVD.
I hope Warner got a hell of a deal to support a gaming format.

"Honestly, Smithers, I don't know why Harvard even bothers to show up. They barely even won."

That must be what they meant. I wonder how many of that 87% views a BD on an SD set?


I personally know several people doing this. They are planning to buy an HDTV in the near future, and felt stupid buying SD DVDs right now.

I'm only saying that it's pretty obvious that 87% now watch movies with their PS3.


I filled out the survey Sony sent, which is where I'm guessing this data came from. It simply asked if you had watched a Blu Ray movie on your PS3. They sent it a few months after I bought the console, so I figure most people have received their movies by then. Those with SD televisions have watched a Blu Ray on their PS3, but many, I believe, have not watched much more than the free ones.

"Honestly, Smithers, I don't know why Harvard even bothers to show up. They barely even won."
LOL. My biggest laugh for the week:)

LOL.. yeah that must be it.. the majority of people has bought PS3 as a gaming console with the possibility of Blu-ray not the other way around.

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I don't think this is true.

I think when PS3 first came out, yes, it was primarily purchased by people who wanted it for games.

But, later, as blu-ray and hd-dvd started to become more viable with movies, and more HDTVs sold, people started looking at blu-ray players and saw the $999 price tag on blu-ray players and then saw the $599 or $499 sticker on a PS3 and went that route.

I am one of those, when I got my 60GB PS3, for $499, the cheapest standalone was $799, so it was a easy descision. and I love the PS3 as my blu-ray player. I've even gotten a few games and enjoy those too, where I would never have done had I got a standalone.

The Sony Corporation has announced this week that 87% of PlayStation 3 owners utilize their console to view Blu-ray movies.

Link: http://www.psu.com/87--of-owners-watch-Blu-rays-on-PS3-News--a0002355-p0.php


So basically the only reason Blu-ray probably won was due to the PS3...Too bad for HD-DVD MS didn't have a built in player.
No way it's that high, and if it is, that's actually pretty bad news considering they should have sold more discs.

I think 33-40% is a more reasonable estimate to the amount of PS3's being used for Blu-ray playback.

Easy, the 4 out of 5 Dentist prefer Crest gives data.

My original question to you was "How many polls of ANY kind do you know of that have a one million person sample?" You aren't implying that Crest polled one million dentists and 800,000 of them prefer Crest are you?

The example you give above doesn't give the sample size any more than the Sony poll does. When they say 4 out of 5 dentists prefer Crest, it just means 80 percent of the dentists polled prefer Crest. It could mean that they interviewed 5 dentists and 4 picked Crest, or it could mean they interviewed 50,000 dentists and 40,000 of them picked Crest. Do you which it is? If not, this statistic isn't any more valid than the Sony numbers.

No way it's that high, and if it is, that's actually pretty bad news considering they should have sold more discs.

I repeat...RENTALS?!?!?!

To paraphrase Ripley in Aliens, "Did literacy rates suddenly drop while I was away?"

Where in the poll does it say anything about 87% of PS3 owners BUYING BD discs? It just says they WATCHED BD discs on their PS3. If they rented even one disc from Netflix, Blockbuster or a mom-and-pop rental store that offers Blu-ray, it would qualify as a "yes." We don't even HAVE Blockbuster and Netflix in Japan and I understand this concept. What's everyone else's excuse.?

If a PS3 owner has a Netflix or Blockbuster account, is it so hard to believe that they may have at least tried renting a Blu-ray disc? It doesn't cost any more than renting an SD DVD does it? Or maybe they borrowed a disc or two from a fellow PS3 owner who DOES buy BD discs. I've loaned several of my BD movies to friends with PS3s and standalones here. I can't be the only one who does this. Even if I didn't own an HDTV, I'd want to rent or borrow a BD movie just to make sure the Blu-ray player part of my PS3 was working properly before the warranty is up.

A little overkill isn't it? Why pay for a Bluray player AND a game console.. when you don't need a game console.

Where is the equally featured standalone player for cheaper?

That's like buying an full sized oven just to make toast.

its not only a game console in addition to that its also a media server.. very upgradeble... profile 2.0 ready.. want more reasons.. ITS $399 to boot and looks sexy as hell!

Wow ... this makes no sense then ... wouldn't this mean that HD DVD with just a fraction of the players held it's own at 60:40 quite well?

87% of 3 Million is 2.61 Million discs ... so if everyone bought 1 disc, that'd be 5.2 million units sold -- way more than have actually moved. Something is askew here.

I'm thinking some people misread this...

IT IS NOT
"87% of PS3 owners use the PS3 for watching Blu-ray"


IT IS
"87% of Blu-ray Movie watchers use a PS3 to do it."

That's a little optimistic but not crazy. Just bump it to 80-83% area and I'll believe it.

That would definitely make more sense.

its not only a game console in addition to that its also a media server.. very upgradeble... profile 2.0 ready.. want more reasons.. ITS $399 to boot and looks sexy as hell!

I never understood how an inanimate object can look "sexy".

first of all, the object has no eyes, so therefore it can not look at all, none the less look with a sexy quality. Second, it can not, at least to a normal person, look physically attractive to the point of wanting to have Sexual Intercourse with it, nor would I advise you doing so. Lastly, is Hell really all that Sexy? From all accounts it is a place of torment, despair, and pain, and that doesn't sound sexy to me at all. I imagine if you were a masochist then that might appeal to you, but to normal people, I think it wouldn't.








PS. I know what you mean, the post above is just a little joke, but that expression has always bothered me for some reason.

Uh... NO.

ANY survey worth ANYTHING at all states that a random sample was used, what the sample size was and the question that was asked. I see none of those here.

They could have simply put a page on the web asking:

If you could play next gen movies on your PS3 would you? Then linking to it on BD.com saying the studios were interested in seeing how the PS3 could be utilized and Voila.

I cannot believe that a survey given by a company that has an interest to see the results skewed one way is given any credence at all. This is beyond laughable.

Doh! Of course they watch blu-ray! Does that mean they bought the PS3 specifically to watch movies, certainly not! We'll see on the long term. Sony just want to hammer the fact that they're winning.

I did :)

I mean, if 87% are watching BDs on their PS3 (I know I am), where are the sales?

But doesn't everyone that buys the PS3 gets free BR movies? The number should be 100%.

I mean, if 87% are watching BDs on their PS3 (I know I am), where are the sales?

Why do there have to be sales attached? maybe they are renting the movies they watch on their PS3

But doesn't everyone that buys the PS3 gets free BR movies? The number should be 100%.

I agree, everyone who has bought a PS3 has used it to watch at least one disc.. ;) After the five free show up months later, that would make at least six discs watched.. That goes for the guy who tortured his Talladega Nights disk on youtube as well...

I have 11 PS3 Blu-Ray games.

8 Downloaded PS3 games.

At any given time 5 to 7 downloaded game demos.

And I have 20 Blu-Ray movies.

I never understood how an inanimate object can look "sexy".

first of all, the object has no eyes, so therefore it can not look at all, none the less look with a sexy quality. Second, it can not, at least to a normal person, look physically attractive to the point of wanting to have Sexual Intercourse with it, nor would I advise you doing so. Lastly, is Hell really all that Sexy? From all accounts it is a place of torment, despair, and pain, and that doesn't sound sexy to me at all. I imagine if you were a masochist then that might appeal to you, but to normal people, I think it wouldn't.








PS. I know what you mean, the post above is just a little joke, but that expression has always bothered me for some reason.


haha no offense.... i often think the same way.. when people use phrase like.. that's hot as Sugar Honey Ice Tea.. lol

Do they all share one Blu-ray disc? Have you seen the volume of sales for Blu-ray? How on earth could that be true?

We Rent...
BB, Netflix, etc.
;)

Use my PS3 99.99999% for Blu-ray of which I own 47. The other fraction of a percent I play GH3.

Uh... NO.

ANY survey worth ANYTHING at all states that a random sample was used, what the sample size was and the question that was asked. I see none of those here.

They could have simply put a page on the web asking:

If you could play next gen movies on your PS3 would you? Then linking to it on BD.com saying the studios were interested in seeing how the PS3 could be utilized and Voila.

I cannot believe that a survey given by a company that has an interest to see the results skewed one way is given any credence at all. This is beyond laughable.


you know all serveys are skewed one way or another by following factors:

demographics (if questiion is asked on BD.COM)
enviornment (CES show at BD booth)
And the questions themselves (ps3 plays blu-ray will you ever try blu-ray)

only way to get real number is to stand infront of a busy intersection with sign..
"honk once if you have ps3"
"honk twice if you watch blu-ray on ps3!!"

the intersection can't be in very rich neighborhood or in "the hood" prefer an area with per capita income is about national average, but can't be an area with alot of japanese cars are driven..

divide number of two honks/ one honks... also add up number of cars so you know how many people u sampled, and so on and so forth..

do we have an volunteer?

*beating dead horse*

Internet Survey

Small sample (most likely)

Movies in the Box

One play technically counts

Rentals

TOPIC CLOSED

I am Ps3 user and use it more for BD than games, but I do not nor do i plan on, ever buying any movies. I like to rent and thats it. I dont see any value in buying movies.

87% of PS3 owners use it to watch Blu Ray.
How do they know?

They must have checked the pawn shops to see how many "free" copies of Spiderman 3 were priced at $9.99.
So, in any given city, say 200,000 PS3s were sold.
Sony found 26000 used copies of Spiderman 3 at pawn shops, so they assume that everyone who didn't sell that disc has watched it, and therefore, use their PS3 for Blu Ray.

Clearly, the war is over. ;)

I think this is another bullshit number from Sony. The software sales numbers simply do not support that 85%+ PS3 owners are watching BD movies... and as was said, it's highly unlikely that 85%+ PS3 systems are even plugged into an HDTV.

That would explain why most of the posts at blu-ray.com seem like schoolyard banter.

A little overkill isn't it? Why pay for a Bluray player AND a game console.. when you don't need a game console.

.

.....beacuse they can't sell the Bluray player on its own, they have to give it away to people who will buy a PS3 anyways and then turn around and tell us they CHOSE Bluray......LOL



Kind of like how cable companies bundle up alot of the crappy channels with the good ones so those stations to go off the air.

Clearly, the war is over. ;)

50% more posts in software and twice as many posts in hardware then the BD sections.

Funny that the BDA still cannot generate more interest than the HD DVD.:D

I have a PS3, zero PS3 games, and 36 Blu-Ray movies.
You're in the infinite minority my friend.

I think this is another bullshit number from Sony. The software sales numbers simply do not support that 85%+ PS3 owners are watching BD movies... and as was said, it's highly unlikely that 85%+ PS3 systems are even plugged into an HDTV.

As has been said before by myself and others in this thread (more times than I care to count), BD rentals may be the part of the equation that many of you are either forgetting or refusing to consider. Both Netflix and Blockbuster rent BD discs for the same price as their regular DVDs. Is it so hard to believe that a PS3 owner who uses either of these services would, even out of curiosity, rent a BD or two to try out their new toy? Even if I didn't have an HDTV, I'd try to rent a BD simply to make sure that my PS3 was working properly before the warranty runs out.

As far as PS3/HDTV attach rate, I posted earlier on this thread a story in December by Engadget that reported a recent Nielsen survey that indicated that 71 percent of PS3s are connected to HDTVs.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/20/ps3-owners-most-connected-to-hdtv-xbox-360-wii-not-far-behind/

Keep in mind that this survey was probably conducted weeks or months before Engadget published the story. With the boom in HDTV sales this holiday season, this ratio is likely to increase rather than decrease over time. And if my theory about BD rentals is correct, having an HDTV connected to a PS3 wouldn't even be a prerequisite to watching a BD disc. It would cost a Netflix or Blockbuster member with a PS3 no additional expense or effort to rent a BD versus a regular DVD, so why WOULDN'T they rent a BD? Curiosity alone would be motivation enough. This would also help to explain why Blockbuster's rental numbers were skewed high enough in BD's favor to justify their decision to stop carrying HD-DVDs in their stores.

Think of it this way. of the millions of DVD players in people's homes, probably close to 100% of them have been used to watch DVDs. Does that mean that every DVD that has been watched on every player has been purchased? Of course not. Most people rent far more movies than they buy. Why should PS3 owners be any different? Just because people on this forum have a preferrence for buying HDM doesn't mean everyone else does too.

Doh! Of course they watch blu-ray! Does that mean they bought the PS3 specifically to watch movies, certainly not! We'll see on the long term. Sony just want to hammer the fact that they're winning.
Exactly. This is why I laugh at the comments saying that the people have decided. The people have not decided, they just bought a few BD because their game machine just happens to play BD. Only a tiny tiny bit of people bought the PS3 as a BD player.

You're in the infinite minority my friend.


So am I and at least three of my friends (that I know of), so he's in good company.