View Full Version : Do I really need HDMI 1.3?
geeman2001 01-09-08, 12:55 PM I am currently building a home theater in my basement and have already order my standard 20' HDMI for my overhead projector. I have been reading a lot about 1.3 and how it can add greater color and more bandwidth...
Should I need to return my standard HDMI to monoprice and purchase a 1.3?
I am planning on getting a 1080p projector, most likely the Mitshubishi 4900...
I am also running conduit from my rack to my projector so that I can run additional cables at some point in the future. Should I swap out for 1.3 while I don't have the drywall up or can I wait? What components take advantage of the 1.3 specification?
Thanks
I would always use the best now if things are getting closed up. Though the access pipe will help. 1.3 needs 1.3 equipment on both ends. The only source equipment right now that uses 1.3 HDMI are BluRay and HD DVD. Cable boxes do not. 1.3 basically just gives you more bandwidth for Deep Color (which most HDMI cables have not been tested for) and for future high resolutions. I would also run a couple Cat6 cables with the HDMI. Cat6 cable is always useful for many things. Try the Ultralink Platinum HDMI cables. Expensive, but capable of 24 bit vivid color... which is very, very far off...and a lifetime warranty. Cable boxes currently do 8 bit color.
But, with access, you may want to save a few bucks now and replace the cable later, but either way you'll end up needing a new cable for the future.
Ultralink Platinum HDMI cables:rolleyes: Yeah, right.
Or for 10% of the price, you can have an equally capable product from Monoprice:
HDMI 1.3a Category 2 Certified CL2 Rated (In-Wall Installation) Cable (22AWG) - 20ft (Gold Plated) UNDER $27
http://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/39891.jpg
(http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024001&p_id=3989&seq=1&format=2)
never used that cable. So I can't vouch for it's quality. have You ever used the Ultralink cable? I have. And about 50% of the time the CUSTOMER can tell the difference almost immediately. Not saying that MONOPRICE cable is bad... I've just never tried one. i won't suggest to someone something I've never used.
And about 50% of the time the CUSTOMER can tell the difference almost immediatelyAnd, pray tell, what is the difference that they notice?
Hell, 99% of them now think that 4:3 programming stretched to fill a 16:9 screen is "hi def". I have an intelligent, rich, executive-level, genetics engineer friend who believes his $70 Walmart DVD player is hi-def because it says "HDMI" on the front panel. *I* think that your customers "see" a difference because of your power of persuasion and the fact that their wallets are a lot lighter ... heck ... they'd BETTER see a difference for that price.
I don't know where you are located but I would challenge you to a "double blind" test between these cables and will bet you $100 that YOU cannot tell the difference. Because there isn't any.
geeman2001 01-09-08, 02:57 PM Thanks for the replies. I'll run the 2" conduit and keep my $15 1.2a monoprice HDMI until I need to upgrade.
Not really up for an argument about HDMI cables, but i'll give you one example. I had a customer using a Monster Cable HDMI. 2M. 60" LG plasma. He called me because he was having some trouble with his TV. He asked me about possibly getting a better HDMI if it'd help. I told him that sometimes I noticed a difference and sometimes I didn't. i was more than happy to try. One of his issues was that he appeared to have a trail behind moving objects. Some ghosting. Something you'd normally see in an LCD. I thought (since I'm not a big fan of the LGs) that maybe it was just the TV or the progressive scan wasn't on. But, i tried the cable anyway after checking everything else. As soon as I put the cable on, he immediately noticed the difference. With everything else the same. And i looked at the TV. No more trailing or ghosting. I then proceeded to switch the cables back and forth a few times without him knowing which one was hooked up, to see if he could tell the difference. And he picked the better cable every time. Now maybe he was just trying to justify getting a better cable, or maybe he really was seeing a difference, but either way, the picture looked better to him. And this was just on a Cable Box. No 1080P signal. No deep color. Maybe the Monster HDMI cable was damaged... though, according to most people a damaged cable just wouldn't work... no picture or sound at all. Again, i'm not saying that the cable you posted about is bad... it might just give you the same picture as the one I posted about. But, in my eyes, and in many of my customers eyes, there is a difference in quality. There's the possibility of losing some of those 1's and 0's along the way... and if you lose a few, it doesn't necessarily mean you don't get a picture or sound, as long as the connection is tight. Until I see a computer readout from different cables that shows that EVERY single 1 and 0 made it to the other end of the cable when they're supposed to... I'll keep up my side of a story that Better Quality cables, generally, will give you a better quality picture. Not everyone will be able to tell (since we all see slightly differently) but those consumers who are into TV's and the best they can get will notice.
aidealist 01-11-08, 02:35 AM HDMI 1.3 is the trend of the high defintion audio and video field. Currently HDMI is the highest standard of high definition digital video and audio.
Component video is almost the best analogue video.
Component video is separately transmitted, then finally combine the separate signals together, so there is signal loss.
HDMI digital signal transmit the audio and video signal in one cable. Hdmi is lossless audio and video.
Bob7145 01-13-08, 10:41 PM I fell for all this "you need" crap 4 years ago when they said " You need DVI with HDCP". The new DVD player I bought last week won't work with anything so far that has HDCP. Why get HDMI 1.3 when they will just change their mind again and the stuff you bought today won't work with the stuff (same manufacturer) you buy tomorrow. I's already changed 3 times and it still does not work. You have to update your firmware every month on every single piece of equipment in the house (unless you need a new motherboard and continuous firmware updates).
There used to be agencies that protected the consumer but now the prey on them.
How bought I write you a check with disappearing ink and blame you for not getting it to the bank in time? OK. just send the check back (black screen) and I'll fill it out again but make sure you get it to the bank in time.
I will never buy anything with HDMI.
GP-HNCP
goobenet 01-14-08, 08:03 PM I love how it seems that a cable in the digital world will screw with a picture quality... It's either there or it's not. Bits are bits. If the signal degrades, you'll get digital artifacting (based on the bits getting to the receiver from the transmitter or not) or you'll have a really good picture. I guess i'd question his source material or his walmart black friday $26.43 upconverting DVD player plugged into his $3k LCD. (for example, i don't know the guys setup beyond the LCD as stated above)
Same goes for people who think $6k power cords "make a difference in sound" for their amps... because you know, the $.20/ft romex the $1.29 outlet is wired to is of the same quality, same goes for the $200 breaker panel, and the feed coming from the pole... et al.
But, it makes a difference, right?
I love how it seems that a cable in the digital world will screw with a picture quality... It's either there or it's not. Bits are bits. If the signal degrades, you'll get digital artifacting (based on the bits getting to the receiver from the transmitter or not) or you'll have a really good picture. I guess i'd question his source material or his walmart black friday $26.43 upconverting DVD player plugged into his $3k LCD. (for example, i don't know the guys setup beyond the LCD as stated above)
Same goes for people who think $6k power cords "make a difference in sound" for their amps... because you know, the $.20/ft romex the $1.29 outlet is wired to is of the same quality, same goes for the $200 breaker panel, and the feed coming from the pole... et al.
But, it makes a difference, right?
Amen to that!
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