The 2008 NFL Playoffs
NFC Divisional Round in HDTV on FOX
New York Giants @ Dallas Cowboys
Live from Texas Stadium, Irving, TX
January 13, 2008
4:30pm ET
720p & DD5.1

Announcers:
Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, Pam Oliver, Chris Myers (Field reporters)

Weather Forecast: (weather.com)
Partially Covered Stadium, Sunny & 54F

Please include your source (OTA, Cable, Satellite) and your location (City & Station) with your posts.

Please see this thread for the AFC game earlier today. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12798024)

Pregame is up in 480i upconverted to 720p & 5.1.

How do you convert 480i to 5.1? ;)

How do you convert 480i to 5.1? ;)

Verrry carefullly....

How do you convert 480i to 5.1? ;)

those fox guys are GOOD... ;)

what time is the actual game going to start?

JB Jr. said "about 10 minutes" about 5 minutes ago.

Lets get this party started!

CPanther95 - You ready to talk some junk! lol. I hope your son-in-law is giving you a lot of good ribbing :)

GO COWBOYS!!!

Enough with the commercials already! Can we start the game?

"Can I just submit a photocopy of my butt"? That one cracks me up!

Ok Boys....time to git 'er done!!!

KDFW OTA Dallas looking like the same 'ol same 'ol from Fox!

Did we expect anything else?

Enough with the commercials already! Can we start the game?

"Can I just submit a photocopy of my butt"? That one cracks me up!

Hoochie Mama!!

Pregame is up in 480i upconverted to 720p & 5.1.
Thank you!
I thought my eyes were playing a trick on me.

Game broadcast is up in 720p & DD5.1, on the FOX digital television network.

In SD in Houston for most of the pre-game. Went HD till the second play and now back SD.

pq very solid. nice color. main cams sharp, with no pixelation. good turf. closeups good with no pixelation. no noise. overall picture might be a tad dark, but i think that's a stadium issue.

aq quite good as well. good and immersive. center channel is a bit hot.

comcast south jersey.

go big blue!

Tampa, FL Brighthouse....this game looks nowhere NEAR as good as the earlier game on CBS...don't know if it's my local provider or the overall feed....but it isn't even close.

Whats up with that, it was HD with Joe Buck and Aikman in the booth, and its back to SD now (in Houston at least)?!

You'd think they would have all the playoff games in HD!

houston OTA in sd now . what happened

Whats up with that, it was HD with Joe Buck and Aikman in the booth, and its back to SD now (in Houston at least)?!

You'd think they would have all the playoff games in HD!

They do. Your local FOX station is having technical issues.

Not a good start for the 'boys.:(

The "D" must do better. I seriously doubt the "o" will bring it. I hope I'm wrong but It's not looking good already.

Stupid Fox 26... grrr.

Man I really wish Fox didn't have the Superbowl this year. Their HD broadcasts are so blurry compared to everyone else. It looks like your're watching a SD broadcast compared to CBS' games in HD.

why the freak is the game in 4:3!??! :mad:

Man I really wish Fox didn't have the Superbowl this year. Their HD broadcasts are so blurry compared to everyone else. It looks like your're watching a SD broadcast compared to CBS' games in HD.

Agreed, the difference between the IND/SD game and this is not even comparable.

Man I really wish Fox didn't have the Superbowl this year. Their HD broadcasts are so blurry compared to everyone else. It looks like your're watching a SD broadcast compared to CBS' games in HD.

not having that problem here... ;)

let's see if the gmen can handle prosperity... not great tackling there by the cowboys, but we will take it... :)

CPanther95 - You ready to talk some junk! lol. I hope your son-in-law is giving you a lot of good ribbing :)

Yeah, I think I'm ready. :D

I don't think I'll ever complain about CBS-HD again, at least their HD looks like HD
This stuff Fox is trying to pass as HD is sub-par :(:( The endzone and skycam is clearly 480i upconverted to 720p

Audio out of sync on D* MPEG4 locals (game and commercials), but in sync OTA. Also in sync on D* FOXE feed.

PQ usual so-so Fox quality. Bitrate running about 11.5Mbps right now.

WJW-DT Cleveland, no subchannels.

The endzone and skycam is clearly 480i upconverted to 720p

No there are not.

did anyone call FOX 26 in Houston? What did they say?

Romo looks very relaxed after his vacation - maybe too relaxed. Hope he didn't drink the water.

did anyone call FOX 26 in Houston? What did they say?

I can't find a number listed on their site, sent a less than flattering email however.

Tampa, FL Brighthouse....this game looks nowhere NEAR as good as the earlier game on CBS...don't know if it's my local provider or the overall feed....but it isn't even close.

+1 here in Boston here as well (Comcast). FOX football broadcasts are very disappointing when compared to CBS week in and week out. Most noticable to me is the lack of definition on FOX when viewing crowd shots. Don't even get me started on the FOX scorebar that covers waaaay more screen real estate than necessary, and the decision to "shade out" the entire area above it. I am not sure why FOX believes that is a good idea???

why the freak is the game in 4:3!??! :mad:

Local issue. It's HD from the network.

Don't even get me started on the FOX scorebar that covers waaaay more screen real estate than necessary, and the decision to "gray out" the entire area above it. I am not sure why FOX believes that is a good idea???

Probably the same guy with NBC that thinks graying out the area below their scorebar with a horrible honeycomb pattern is a good idea.

The Fox scorebar used to look worse - when they had a scrolling herringbone pattern up there, looked like there was something wrong with your TV. Edit: I see it's still up there, although very faintly.

The weather in GB next weekend is supposed to be sub zero. If this keeps up, we may see another ice bowl.

I can't find a number listed on their site, sent a less than flattering email however.

If they have local news, call the 24 hour news line, ask for engineering and politely tell them about the problem. If you can't get engineering, have the news desk pass along the message.

did anyone call FOX 26 in Houston? What did they say?

Got a busy tone for a while, then a recorded message, then basically picked the option to talk to someone about "programming" leads to another answering machine. I didn't bother to leave a message.
In case you want to, the number is 713 479 2600

Cheers!

did anyone call FOX 26 in Houston? What did they say?

I tried calling (713) 479-2600 but just get a busy signal. anyone have a different number for them?

I can't find a number listed on their site, sent a less than flattering email however.

look on their website and see if they have a news tips hotline and call that. tell them to buzz the control room about ur issue.

I tried calling (713) 479-2600 but just get a busy signal. anyone have a different number for them?

Try again, you'll get through, but just leads to a recorded message, and then eventually to an answering machine. Perhaps you can get a different result.

Watching the game now on XETV HD, FOX in San Diego over TWC.

Overall PQ acceptable - it is MUCH better than the Crappy Blocky Sucky (CBS) game I just watched on KFMB HD.

God that was an awful broadcast on my set - massive macroblocking on ANY motion.

The PQ I'm getting now is a bit soft on the far away shots and the cable cam is a bit soft, but the motion is much better than the garbage I had to put up with on CBS.

Thank goodness no network is the sole broadcaster for games! :cool:

Erik

Woo hoo!! Switched back to HD!! Much better!!

Watching the game now on XETV HD, FOX in San Diego over TWC.

Overall PQ acceptable - it is MUCH better than the Crappy Blocky Sucky (CBS) game I just watched on KFMB HD.

God that was an awful broadcast on my set - massive macroblocking on ANY motion.

The PQ I'm getting now is a bit soft on the far away shots and the cable cam is a bit soft, but the motion is much better than the garbage I had to put up with on CBS.

Thank goodness no network is the sole broadcaster for games! :cool:

Erik

Local issue.

CBS game was phenomenal.

Go Marion Go!!!

Go Marion Go!!!

Two solid first downs!

Local issue.

CBS game was phenomenal.
Yes, we keep telling him, he doesn't seem to get it.

3 in a row

Yes, we keep telling him, he doesn't seem to get it.

yea, for a couple weeks now... sooner or later, one might think it would sink in...

can't complain about pq on this game from this seat... as originally posted, it's very solid... comcast may not be my favorite corporation on the planet, but at least they seem to be able to deliver the signal to me without killing it...

TD.....T.O.!!!!! He's BAAAAACK!!!!

Local issue.

CBS game was phenomenal.

CPanther95 and I agree on something about football :p. If WLTX19 in Columbia, SC had properly working audio, it would've been a great broadcast all around :)

Bad challenge...TD will stand

CPanther95 and I agree on something about football :p.

We agree on the dominance of the SEC as well. ;)

TD.....T.O.!!!!! He's BAAAAACK!!!!

Is Jessica Simpson at the game? lol

Haven't seen her yet but i'll bet she's there

We agree on the dominance of the SEC as well. ;)

Oh, most definitely. Too bad I'm more of a Division II college football fan :). But, then again...I did go to Newberry College, and DII actually has a process that determines a 'real' champion :)

What is with Fox's obsession of showing the booth from a camera from across the field?

We agree on the dominance of the SEC as well. ;)

Its hard to comprehend why the dominance of the SEC in college football needs to be discussed.

*Alumnus of an SEC school.

Haven't seen her yet but i'll bet she's there

I have heard she is not there, but I could be wrong.

What is with Fox's obsession of showing the booth from a camera from across the field?

Nice touch that the booth is right above Troy's name in the ring

I think they FINALLY got their S* together.

According to tabloid sources, she will not be there.

According to tabloid sources, she will not be there.
That's good!

Just ran a clip from the game through VideoRedo- 11.77 Mbps Actual Video Bitrate.
That explains why I'm seeing macroblocking and mosquito noise around the players during fast moving scenes.

Ran a clip from the earlier CBS-HD game through VideoRedo- 17.64 Mbps Actual Video Bitrate.

Is this game true 720p HD or is this upconverted 480 to 720?

I'm asking because people have mentioned in the past that Fox likes to upconvert and not broadcast sports in true HD.

The picture is pretty good but I expected a little more detail.

Is this game true 720p HD or is this upconverted 480 to 720?

I'm asking because people have mentioned in the past that Fox likes to upconvert and not broadcast sports in true HD.

The picture is pretty good but I expected a little more detail.

Native 720p.

The only NFL games not in HD are when FOX does more than 6 on a Sunday in the regular season.

America's team...looks like this is America's thread too. not even halftime and we're about to surpass the # of posts for the entire Patriots game.

Don't they know this is the playoffs!!! Why the hell aren't they prepared to have this game done right? Well, at least it's back in HD. Hopefully it'll stay that way.

Don't they know this is the playoffs!!! Why the hell aren't they prepared to have this game done right? Well, at least it's back in HD. Hopefully it'll stay that way.

It was a local issue. Problems in the on air chain can happen at anytime.

I'm liking what i'm seeing out of the Giants D so far!!(Sarcasm)

Its hard to comprehend.......

*Alumnus of an SEC school.

Well they aren't exactly known for their academics. :D


Back on topic: Webster....ARGGGGGGH !

Back on topic: Webster....ARGGGGGGH !

right in his frickin' hands... :mad: oh well, like they say, i guess that's why he is playing defense...

gmen can't get off the field on 3rd down... these long drives are killers...

Is Jessica Simpson at the game? lol


He probably left her in Mexico so she could surround herself with Cowboy fans.

right in his frickin' hands... :mad: oh well, like they say, i guess that's why he is playing defense...

gmen can't get off the field on 3rd down... these long drives are killers...

This is the Cowboys team we've come to love this year..THEY'RE BACK!!!!(Bout damn time)

He's in....14-7

The Cowboys/Barber lovefest in the booth is getting nauseating.

The Cowboys/Barber lovefest in the booth is getting nauseating.

ya think???

i greatly dislike joe buck to begin with. this doesn't help.

Ouch

Stupid call - take a shot.

If this game comes down to a Cowboys Hail Mary - they could have doubled their chances by taking a shot now.

America's team...looks like this is America's thread too. not even halftime and we're about to surpass the # of posts for the entire Patriots game.

That may be because when the Patriots play, America watches the game in lieu of playing on the net.:D

That may be because when the Patriots play, America watches the game in lieu of playing on the net.:D

Curious to see tomorrow's ratings. I'll bet you a beer the Cowboys game wins.

I'll bet you a beer most are rooting for the Giants though.

Curious to see tomorrow's ratings. I'll bet you a beer the Cowboys game wins.

Patriots have dominated all prime time ratings this year. I'm sure part of that is due to people tuning in to watch the record continue or end. As much as Cowboys fans wish the Cowboys were America's team, they're not. And ratings back that up. America's Team is pretty much the entire NFL now. Which is why every other sport is envious.

XETV-DT San Diego OTA Really good picture with no macroblocking

I'll bet you a beer most are rooting for the Giants though.

I'm sure. Everyone hates a winner 'ya know.

Curious to see tomorrow's ratings. I'll bet you a beer the Cowboys game wins.

If you are trying to compare the draw of the Cowboys (based on your locale) vs. the draw of the Pats, this weekend is not exactly a fair comparison. Given the difference in game times and dates, as well as the fact that the Pats played Jaxonville, which is not a huge fan base when compared to a New York team, I would be surprised to see the Pats game get higher ratings as well. Though you never know, 17-0 is bound to attract some viewers.

And this is not prime time. At kickoff anyway.

I'm sure. Everyone hates a winner 'ya know.

I don't think that's it. Everyone has hated the Cowboys for the past 11 years and they haven't won anything.

I don't think that's it. Everyone has hated the Cowboys for the past 11 years and they haven't won anything.

"Everyone"...And you know this, how? The CNN/USAtoday/CPanther95 national poll?...lol

Hate commercials? Hate it when the announcer reads a commercial during the game?
Turn your center channel level down all the way (not volume control but speaker level) on the amp.
Now you just hear the game including refs calls and when an actual commercial does come on it does not blast you out of the chair!
YMMV

"Everyone"...And you know this, how? The CNN/USAtoday/CPanther95 national poll?...lol

OK, I'll qualify that.

Almost everyone, that doesn't live in Mexico or parts of Texas - hates the Cowboys and has taken great delight in their lack of success the past 11 years - a loser streak longer than all but 5 or 6 other teams.

Better? ;)

Better, but you forgot Canada. Our local news did a piece on the fans that are here for the game from out of town and they were mostly Canadians.

Wow - "most" of the fans at the game from outside of Dallas are from Canada?

Sounds like one of my polls. :)

I give up.

Hey now! I know quite a few Cowboys fans on the east coast! And they aren't just in my family either!!! lol

Hey now! I know quite a few Cowboys fans on the east coast! And they aren't just in my family either!!! lol

They're everywhere..just some like to drink a little too much of that "Haterade"

OK, quit bickering and focus on the game.


...... no matter how painful. :)

Hey now! I know quite a few Cowboys fans on the east coast! And they aren't just in my family either!!! lol


... or legal.

I'm sure. Everyone hates a winner 'ya know.


Cowboys are a winner? Remind me again when the last time they won a playoff game was.

Cowboys are a winner? Remind me again when the last time they won a playoff game was.

1996:confused:

Some time last century, I'll ask my grandpa.

OK, I'll qualify that.

Almost everyone, that doesn't live in Mexico or parts of Texas - hates the Cowboys and has taken great delight in their lack of success the past 11 years - a loser streak longer than all but 5 or 6 other teams.

Better? ;)

Dallas is good. Romo is going to be better than Peyton or Brady. Give it a couple years. Romo is at their level right now, and he is going to surpass it by a lot.

Dallas is good. Romo is going to be better than Peyton or Brady. Give it a couple years. Romo is at their level right now, and he is going to surpass it by a lot.You can give a couple of centuries, Romo will never be that good.

Dallas is good. Romo is going to be better than Peyton or Brady. Give it a couple years. Romo is at their level right now, and he is going to surpass it by a lot.

now if someone would remind them that the game is FOUR quarters, we'll be ok.

Dallas is good. Romo is going to be better than Peyton or Brady. Give it a couple years. Romo is at their level right now, and he is going to surpass it by a lot.

He's at their level? He's thrown 45+ TDs in a season when? He's lead his team to the SB when? He's won the league MVP when? Yeah, shhhhhhhhh, let the adults talk.

If Dallas was in the AFC, not only would Romo miss the Pro Bowl, he'd be lucky to be considered one of the Top 10 in the AFC.

now if someone would remind them that the game is FOUR quarters, we'll be ok.

This year, it's typically been the first two that they struggled. They seem to be off in the second half tonight.

I don't think I'll ever complain about CBS-HD again, at least their HD looks like HD
This stuff Fox is trying to pass as HD is sub-par :(:( The endzone and skycam is clearly 480i upconverted to 720p

Is that why the fake grass looks like it is blinking in and out like a heartbeat?

He held the flag so he wouldn't interrupt Owens pass route or distract him. That's exactly what he should have done.

Is that why the fake grass looks like it is blinking in and out like a heartbeat?No, the 'swimming grass' is more an artifact of 720p than anything else.

I never get it on CBS HD! Do you know why??

Dallas is good. Romo is going to be better than Peyton or Brady. Give it a couple years. Romo is at their level right now, and he is going to surpass it by a lot.

wow. i know cowboy fans sometimes struggle with perspective, but that one takes the cake...

I never get it on CBS HD! Do you know why??

Yes, because CBS uses 1080i, which does not seem to be prone to it.

I get it on NBC occasionally too. Are they 720p?

I get it on NBC occasionally too. Are they 720p?

no, they are 1080i, but they REALLY struggled getting us a decent signal for the majority of the season.... swimming grass was the least of their problems...

This is where Romo proves whether or not his name should be in any conversation with real QBs.

do or die time... c'mon d... shut 'em down...

He's at their level? He's thrown 45+ TDs in a season when? He's lead his team to the SB when? He's won the league MVP when? Yeah, shhhhhhhhh, let the adults talk.

The adults are talking, Mr. Skyehille.

This is Romo's first full season. Lets compare first full season numbers-

Romo ---- 4,211 yards -- 36 TD's -- 97.4 QB rating
Peyton --- 3,739 yards -- 26 TD's -- 71.2 QB rating
Brady ---- 3,764 yards -- 28 TD's -- 85.7 QB rating

And I am being very generous with Brady. That is his third year numbers. His second year numbers are worse:

Brady ----- 2843 yards -- 18 TD's -- 86.5 QB rating

Brady has been in the league 8 seasons and this is his first year with more than 30 TD passes. Prior to this season he never had more than 28. I'd say Randy Moss's catching 23 TD passes is the reason for Brady's 50 TD's this season.


Romo makes everyone around him better. He is going to be better than Brady.

I get it on NBC occasionally too. Are they 720p?

NBC uses a different HD distribution system than CBS.

I was thinking it was my Panny. Either way, it sucks!!

Dallas is good. Romo is going to be better than Peyton or Brady. Give it a couple years. Romo is at their level right now, and he is going to surpass it by a lot.I think you need to read what you posted out loud and see if you believe it then.
Better yet go to your local sports bar and make this point repeatedly and see how many friends you make.:D

It's easy to say that some one is going to be better but you cannot prove the future.
To say that Romo is at their level now is patently ridiculous.

I think you need to read what you posted out loud and see if you believe it then.
Better yet go to your local sports bar and make this point repeatedly and see how many friends you make.:D

He is good, but not even close to Brady for sure!!!!

One play left... unless they can get the first. NYG D is doing a great job.



EDIT (for the interception): Scratch that, doing a great job! 9 seconds left. Too bad big brother lost earlier today, or we could root for an all-Manning Super Bowl next week.

YES, yes, yes.....the streak continues.

He's at their level? He's thrown 45+ TDs in a season when? He's lead his team to the SB when? He's won the league MVP when? Yeah, shhhhhhhhh, let the adults talk.

He's won a playoff game, when???????????? NEVER!!!!!!

The adults are talking, Mr. Skyehille.

This is Romo's first full season. Lets compare first full season numbers-

Romo ---- 4,211 yards -- 36 TD's -- 97.4 QB rating
Peyton --- 3,739 yards -- 26 TD's -- 71.2 QB rating
Brady ---- 3,764 yards -- 28 TD's -- 85.7 QB rating

And I am being very generous with Brady. That is his third year numbers. His second year numbers are worse:

Brady ----- 2843 yards -- 18 TD's -- 86.5 QB rating

Brady has been in the league 8 seasons and this is his first year with more than 30 TD passes. Prior to this season he never had more than 28. I'd say Randy Moss's catching 23 TD passes is the reason for Brady's 50 TD's this season.


Romo makes everyone around him better. He is going to be better than Brady.

Your hilarious line was "Romo is at their level right now". Back that up with stats. You can't. And enjoy the offseason, Cowboys. I hear Cancun is nice this time of year.

Romo makes everyone around him better.Including the Giants! Interception, point, game, set, match.

as we all are used to saying...maybe next year.

YESSSSSS!!! have a nice offseason cowboy fans... :D

guess it wasn't the tuna's fault last year, huh?

"You can't say enough about this Giants team" .................

That's because the broadcast is over and you haven't started talking about them yet. :rolleyes:

Thanks to Frank, Terry, Howie, and Jimmy for picking the Cowboys :)
Wrong just like they were on Saturday.

Hey doogie, I guess you were right! Romo does make everyone around him better. Just not the right everyone:D
Tony Romo is a good QB but he is not a Brady or a Manning or a Favre or even a bunch of others yet.

I think you need to read what you posted out loud and see if you believe it then.
Better yet go to your local sports bar and make this point repeatedly and see how many friends you make.:D

It's easy to say that some one is going to be better but you cannot prove the future.
To say that Romo is at their level now is patently ridiculous.

This year Romo threw for more yards than Peyton. This year Romo threw more TD's than Peyton. What other numbers would you like? Cowboys won 13 games this year, the same as Indy.

That was absolutely magnificent. RIP, T.O.

No Eagles, no 'Girls...now this is football!

No matter how happy I am right now, I know it's not nearly as happy as Romo will be when he has Jessica Simpson consoling him.

What other numbers would you like?Playoff wins. 0-2.

There will be another "ice bowl"

This year Romo threw for more yards than Peyton. This year Romo threw more TD's than Peyton. What other numbers would you like? Cowboys won 13 games this year, the same as Indy.

In case you missed it, Romo is now 0-2 in playoff games. Romo now has 0 SB wins.

In case you missed it, Romo is now 0-2 in playoff games. Romo now has 0 SB wins.

Sorta reminds me of how Troy Aikman started his career.

oh, and just to put this "romo is on the same level as brady and will way surpass him someday" foolishness to rest...

doogie, click here... (http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=566) and, fwiw, brady is all of 3 years older than romo... it's not like romo has several years in hand here...

Playoff wins. 0-2.

Okay. Playoff wins. Peyton 0-3. 1999. 2000. 2002.

People used to give Peyton crap for not winning the Superbowl. He did it. Romo will get many more chances in the future.

"You can't say enough about this Giants team" .................

That's because the broadcast is over and you haven't started talking about them yet. :rolleyes:

sure they did. they kept on telling us repeatedly that the giants defense had no chance of stopping the cowboys offense. i bet troy still can't believe it.

No matter how happy I am right now, I know it's not nearly as happy as Romo will be when he has Jessica Simpson consoling him.

lol... you DO have a point there...

y'know, i can't knock him for scoring hot babes...

This year Romo threw for more yards than Peyton. This year Romo threw more TD's than Peyton. What other numbers would you like? Cowboys won 13 games this year, the same as Indy.
Well I guess Tony and Peyton can compare notes while they're watching the NFC and AFC championship games, can't they.
Quote stats all you want, the most important stat is the numbers that follow HOME and VISITOR.
A great quarterback wins the BIG GAMES. Like I said above Tony Romo is a good QB. Not great, not Brady, not Manning, not Favre and not a lot of others. He has a very promising future as do many QB's.
Just don't start spouting stats and he'll do this and he'll do that.
It makes you look like you don't have a grasp on the game of professional football.

In case you missed it, Romo is now 0-2 in playoff games. Romo now has 0 SB wins.

You know, I'm a Colts fan, I lived in Indy for four years before moving to CA, and I never ever ever stopped hearing about how Peyton was a great quarterback who couldn't win the big game. Ever since he was in college he hadn't won the big one, and even though he's been to the pro Bowl 8 years in a row, it wasn't until last season that he finally won a Super Bowl.

Romo may be 0-2 now, but it wasn't even a year ago that people were saying these same things about Peyton. I'm not a Cowboys fan or even a Romo fan in the slightest, but you gotta give Romo at least a little bit of credit. The kid will be good.

Of course, on the flip side, if Romo wants to be truly great, he needs to throw more than 3700 yards every single season (over 4000 all but two of those seasons), over 26 touchdowns every season, and be named to the Pro Bowl every single year for the next 8 years.

A couple League MVPs wouldn't be so bad, either.

lol... you DO have a point there...

y'know, i can't knock him for scoring hot babes...

I could be happy for two lifetimes on the girls that Romo, Brady and Roethlisberger have scored in the last year.

so disappointed in the game and pissed about it as well. Romo did what he had to do in this game (save for not throwing the ball away when he should have). The offensive line of Dallas should be ashamed of themselves...false starts...slow snaps...the inability to hold back the defense...

Congrats to the Giants, their d-line played very well. I'll be pulling for the packers from here on out though.

I was surprised Jacobs was not thrown a flag for unsportsmanlike conduct for throwing the football at the scoreclock after the TD. I thought for sure the ref was going to flag him. But hey, I'm not complaining. Giants win!!!

Sorta reminds me of how Troy Aikman started his career.

actually, i believe that the 2nd time that aikman made the playoffs, he won the super bowl...

also, troy had the makings of a team around him that had a great confluence of two events, those being:

1) a bazillion draft picks from the walker trade.
2) a great great great evaluator of talent in jimmy johnson utilizing those picks (not to mention he could motivate and coach a bit).

this dallas team bears no resemblance to that team.

Congrats to the Giants, their d-line played very well. I'll be pulling for the packers from here on out though.

You aren't the only one. Giants were my favorite team this week. From here on out I'll be rooting for the Packers (and whoever is playing the Patriots ;) )

I could be happy for two lifetimes on the girls that Romo, Brady and Roethlisberger have scored in the last year.

true dat... :D

this dallas team bears no resemblance to that team.

Except for the biggest reason I root against them - the ownership.

You aren't the only one. Giants were my favorite team this week. From here on out I'll be rooting for the Packers (and whoever is playing the Patriots ;) )

aw, c'mon... at least cheer for either the gmen or the pats... :)

could put me in a bit of a sticky wicket of having to cheer against the giants in the super bowl if i get two positive outcomes next sunday... although to be honest, i thought the gmen could beat dallas this week, but i'm don't have nearly as much hope that they can beat the pack next week... but that's why they play the games...

anyone watching tony's interview? "points can be deceptive"... umm tony? whoever has the most points wins. not yards. points.

Except for the biggest reason I root against them - the ownership.

yes. that's true. the eminently dislikable jerry jones is still there...

that makes them losing even better... knowing that it causes jerry such pain....

should next week's games play out the way i'd anticipate (pack and pats win), it's a REALLY good thing that the super bowl isn't on nbc, because john madden's head might explode between the man crushes he has on both favre and brady... :D

Excellent PQ OTA. Very entertaining evenly balanced game. This weekend is a good example of why the NFL wanted parity.

However, as I've indicated before, I miss the days when there were more powerhouse teams. On the other hand, if you weren't a fan of one of the powerhouses, it wasn't as much fun. :)

PQ sucks on DISH for every game on FOX!!

The picture quality was very good on FOX HD on Comcast channel 213 in the Richmond Virginia area. Good colors, sharpness and no macro blocking. Unlike the garbage CBS HD has been showing this weekend.

My @#$%^&* Cowboys muffed that game. 3 points in the second half, WTF!

You Cowgirl fans got awful quiet in a hurry. Go Big Blue.

The picture quality was very good on FOX HD on Comcast channel 213 in the Richmond Virginia area. Good colors, sharpness and no macro blocking. Unlike the garbage CBS HD has been showing this weekend.You are confused. CBS HD was great this weekend. Your local station may have made a mess of it, but if that's the case, you need to differentiate between the two.

You are confused. CBS HD was great this weekend. Your local station may have made a mess of it, but if that's the case, you need to differentiate between the two.

I agree!

I was thinking it was my Panny. Either way, it sucks!!

The problem isn't with your Panny. The problem is none of the networks use a Panny display for quality control, so they think everything they send out looks "great"

(Panny 50" 1080p plasma owner here :D )

:D GMEN!!!!!!!! :D

What a game....

Quality was typical Fox... of course I was watching at a friend's place who has a 50" 1080p panny.... and none of the people there could tell that the pregame was SD-upconverted-widescreen crap.... that gets me so mad....

But easy to forget after that GREAT GAME :)

GO GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://giants.com/images/_2007/header_logo.gif

*Watching Sportscenter*

Did anyone else laughed when TO cried?

I thought this was the worst picture quality I've seen on a Fox game in a long time. I'm watching OTA from WVBT in Norfolk, Va. I had to keep checking my HR10 to make sure it was set to output 1080i and not 480i... :confused:

Looked fine here, but I only watched on a 30" CRT (720p native, though).

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/ap/9287990f-f85e-40d1-90f3-8a56962f4a0d.widec.jpg


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Something tells me we'll see that showing up in many avatars around the net.

How bout them Coyboys..................... (oops)

Go Giants (love the picture of TO above) :D

Did anyone else laughed when TO cried?

That's unfair
He's my quarterback.
He's my teammate.
We lost as a team.

ROTFLMAO

I thought FOX did a very nice job with the broadcast.

And now the 'Curse of Jessica Simpson' really gets into gear.

That's unfair
He's my quarterback.
He's my teammate.
We lost as a team.

ROTFLMAO

i especially liked the follow up, where he said that he always has had all of his qb's backs... yea, long enough to stab them in it... i bet if donovan and garcia were watching that, they got quite a laugh out of it...

i thought the telecast was good as well... no complaints from a technical standpoint here...

That's unfair
He's my quarterback.
He's my teammate.
We lost as a team.

ROTFLMAO

TO's right, of course, but wonder why he backed Romo when he threw Donovan and Garcia under the bus?

-c

I have to admit I was a little confused when I turned on the game thinking it was on Fox, but instead stumbling upon the DCN (the in-house Dallas Cowboys Network). It's too bad the Giants crashed the party and broke up the love-fest. I don't think T.O. was the only one crying.

Mickey

I don't think T.O. was the only one crying.


The look on Jerry Jone's face when they showed him on the sideline at the end of the game was priceless.

Well...looks like I'm going to wait for another disappointed baseball season too :(. I am a Texas Rangers fan...maybe they'll surprise everyone this year...

Saw a lot of compression artifacts in the early part of the game (it may have improved later, I just didn't get another close look). I've seen much better from Fox.

-Reagan

The broadcast was great but the look of Jerry Jones face in HD was awesome....

Plus i think Romo's vision was pixelated when he threw the INT.... 13-3 makes no difference when you lose in the playoffs....

Cowboys can only blame themselves. Penalties that stalled their own drives, and more penalties that revived Giants drives. Critical drops on 3rd-down passes.

Congratulations to the G-men for playing great the past several weeks, and for the stunning road-warrior mentality almost all season. Good luck in GB, but I'll be rooting for the Pack at this point.

oh, and just to put this "romo is on the same level as brady and will way surpass him someday" foolishness to rest...

doogie, click here... (http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=566) and, fwiw, brady is all of 3 years older than romo... it's not like romo has several years in hand here...

3 years older, and 3 more SB rings than Romo. I'll give Romo 3 more years to match him to be fair.:p

I was surprised Jacobs was not thrown a flag for unsportsmanlike conduct for throwing the football at the scoreclock after the TD. I thought for sure the ref was going to flag him. But hey, I'm not complaining. Giants win!!!

It doesn't break any of the rules. If it did, you'd also have to flag people for giving the football to a kid in the stands after a TD. Now if he had done that after being knocked out of bounds without scoring a TD, he'd get flagged for delay of game.

I didn't notice until it was pointed out on SportsCenter that he actually broke a bulb. :D

Spiking against the wall is allowed - guess they never thought to address the issue of targeting a piece of equipment. Probably will now after JJ has to pay to replace the bulb himself. ;)

actually, i believe that the 2nd time that aikman made the playoffs, he won the super bowl...

also, troy had the makings of a team around him that had a great confluence of two events, those being:

1) a bazillion draft picks from the walker trade.
2) a great great great evaluator of talent in jimmy johnson utilizing those picks (not to mention he could motivate and coach a bit).

this dallas team bears no resemblance to that team.

Amen, Dallas fans need to be realistic now. Their best coaches and personnel people are being cherry-picked, which means Jerry Jones is going to be taking more of a role in picking players (he's failed miserably at that for years prior to Parcells), their coach has never won the big games and as everyone knows is just a placeholder for Garrett or possibly the next big name on the list, and their star WR is a frickin' headcase. Meanwhile over in GB they've got tons of cap money, tons of young players, and an amazing coach. Good time to be a Packers fan, bad time to be a Cowboys fan. I don't care about either team, but I enjoy it more when Dallas fails. Imagine that.:D

I felt so dirty as an Eagles fan rooting for the Giants.

Romo (and E. Manning) have been hyped for the last few seasons for no good reason. They are decent Qb's, but common. Dallas has a very good O line, defense and receivers. They are the reason Dallas is a good team, not Romo. Maybe T.O. was going for a Golden Globe last night?

Ballad of Yoko:

“It’s not fair to call her “Yoko Romo”. It’s not fair! She’s my quarterback’s girlfriend, and it’s just not fair. This is a team. She should be the whole team’s girlfriend.”

I felt so dirty as an Eagles fan rooting for the Giants.

Romo (and E. Manning) have been hyped for the last few seasons for no good reason. They are decent Qb's, but common. Dallas has a very good O line, defense and receivers. They are the reason Dallas is a good team, not Romo. Maybe T.O. was going for a Golden Globe last night?

I was pulling for the G Men so there could be another game at Lambeau, or perhaps I'd love to see Farve get back to the SB one more time.

As for TO - that was interesting. Tears! Wow

That shot of Jerry Jones just standing on the sideline in shock was priceless. Troy was hyping the miracle comeback through the last minutes, and it didn't happen.
Those guys are not supposed to favor a team on air, but you could tell where the broadcast had their sights set.

Se ya Texas ;)

BTW - the OTA HD broadcast was outstanding - the AFC on CBS was their usual crappy self. Bad audio levels, etc.

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/ap/9287990f-f85e-40d1-90f3-8a56962f4a0d.widec.jpg


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Poor TO - Boo Hoo - everybody send TO a popcorn popper!

She should be the whole team’s girlfriend.”

I knew a few girls like that in high-school. :eek:

Poor TO - Boo Hoo - everybody send TO a popcorn popper!

That can't be a picture of T.O. It looks like a broken down old man.

Blame Jessica "Yoko Romo" Simpson!

At this point, "Go Packers!"

To go along with their 6th longest current playoff win drought, the Cowboys also tied the record for longest current playoff losing streak.

To go along with their 6th longest current playoff win drought, the Cowboys also tied the record for longest current playoff losing streak.

See, Romo is going to break a record.

I should correct that last post - it ties the longest playoff losing streak in NFL history (not "current").

Since we're talking all-time records, let's mention that the Cowboys have been to the most SuperBowls, and are tied for most SB wins.

Just for balance.

No question they had some decent teams in the past - the very distant past. ;)

Since we're talking all-time records, let's mention that the Cowboys have been to the most SuperBowls, and are tied for most SB wins.

Just for balance.

thats the same argument most yankee fans use and it doesnt work for us either... :mad:

I'll deny this next year, but I can now safely say that I actually like Romo. The whole Mexico vacation/Jessica Simpson ("Yoko Romo" is funny as hell) is hogwash - just something for the fans to latch on to so the blame is directed away from the team.

Romo wasn't the problem - not even looking only at the passing game. His receivers let him down. In fact, if I didn't know better (come to think of it, I actually don't know better) - I'd guess Crayton had some serious gambling debts he paid off last weekend. ;)

I also stand by my post from the end of the first half. They were idiotic to not chuck up a hail mary. Why give up? The odds of a reception or penalty are far greater than the chance the defense would run it back for a TD.

I'll deny this next year, but I can now safely say that I actually like Romo. The whole Mexico vacation/Jessica Simpson ("Yoko Romo" is funny as hell) is hogwash - just something for the fans to latch on to so the blame is directed away from the team.

Romo wasn't the problem - not even looking only at the passing game. His receivers let him down. In fact, if I didn't know better (come to think of it, I actually don't know better) - I'd guess Crayton had some serious gambling debts he paid off last weekend. ;)

I also stand by my post from the end of the first half. They were idiotic to not chuck up a hail mary. Why give up? The odds of a reception or penalty are far greater than the chance the defense would run it back for a TD.

Romo did completely lose his composure late in the 4th Quarter..... not something you want to see from your quarterback in that situation.. no matter what's happening...

True, but only after endless miscues (penalties, dropped passes, etc.).

You can assign some blame, but the focus seems to be squarely on his shoulders - and directed specifically at his vacation. That's what I think is ridiculous.

CP, you are precisely correct in your analysis, and Romo is not to blame. But any chance to put "Yoko Romo" out there in the thread is too rich to pass...

The vacation destination should have been a non-story, but wall-to-wall bloviators must find topics of interest.

thats the same argument most yankee fans use and it doesnt work for us either... :mad:

Also us Celtics fans too, we always get the "But what have you done for me lately" line. Oh well, maybe this year will be different!

Also us Celtics fans too, we always get the "But what have you done for me lately" line. Oh well, maybe this year will be different!

Dropping two straight to the Wizzards sure can't make you feel good. But hey, we got the Knicks so we feel like crap all the time.

True, but only after endless miscues (penalties, dropped passes, etc.).

You can assign some blame, but the focus seems to be squarely on his shoulders - and directed specifically at his vacation. That's what I think is ridiculous.


Romo lost his cool at the end.... sorry but when he drove 90 yards for the touchdown... He practically picked off the giants to get the score and now in the 4th quarter... you need to keep your cool... i mean stupid penalities and get pissed at your line isnt cutting it... its not entirely his fault but he takes 70% for commanding that drive...

plus he threw into double coverage....

I'm surprised no one has put any blame on Coach Coma, I mean Wade Phillips. This team had no direction the last month of the season and they were not ready to play Sunday like they should have and that starts from the coach. Like I said when the season began that the Cowboys will be hindered in the end because of the coach they have, well now you see why I felt that way. Any odds on if he'll be back next year? Mr Jones did not look too happy at the end of that game! :D

Amen, Dallas fans need to be realistic now. Their best coaches and personnel people are being cherry-picked, which means Jerry Jones is going to be taking more of a role in picking players (he's failed miserably at that for years prior to Parcells), their coach has never won the big games and as everyone knows is just a placeholder for Garrett or possibly the next big name on the list, and their star WR is a frickin' headcase. Meanwhile over in GB they've got tons of cap money, tons of young players, and an amazing coach. Good time to be a Packers fan, bad time to be a Cowboys fan. I don't care about either team, but I enjoy it more when Dallas fails. Imagine that.:D

Someone has been listening to Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio this morning. I could've swore I heard the exact same thing this morning regarding the Pack.

I'm surprised no one has put any blame on Coach Coma, I mean Wade Phillips. This team had no direction the last month of the season and they were not ready to play Sunday like they should have and that starts from the coach. Like I said when the season began that the Cowboys will be hindered in the end because of the coach they have, well now you see why I felt that way. Any odds on if he'll be back next year? Mr Jones did not look too happy at the end of that game! :D

he looked like he soiled his Depends

True, but only after endless miscues (penalties, dropped passes, etc.).

You can assign some blame, but the focus seems to be squarely on his shoulders - and directed specifically at his vacation. That's what I think is ridiculous.

If he's going to accept all the praise for the Cowboys winning, he better be willing to accept the blame when they lose. He lost his composure for sure, but the fault for their loss can be placed squarely on Crayton and their offensive Line.

Someone has been listening to Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio this morning. I could've swore I heard the exact same thing this morning regarding the Pack.


Not sure who that is.

Since we're talking all-time records, let's mention that the Cowboys have been to the most SuperBowls, and are tied for most SB wins.

Just for balance.


They are no longer relevant -- 1996.

I'll deny this next year, but I can now safely say that I actually like Romo. The whole Mexico vacation/Jessica Simpson ("Yoko Romo" is funny as hell) is hogwash - just something for the fans to latch on to so the blame is directed away from the team.

Romo wasn't the problem - not even looking only at the passing game. His receivers let him down. In fact, if I didn't know better (come to think of it, I actually don't know better) - I'd guess Crayton had some serious gambling debts he paid off last weekend. ;)

I also stand by my post from the end of the first half. They were idiotic to not chuck up a hail mary. Why give up? The odds of a reception or penalty are far greater than the chance the defense would run it back for a TD.

Yet you can't do that in the middle of the playoffs. He had to know it would draw unwanted heat to the team and be a distraction. It could not negatively affect his game, along with Jason W.'s, but not a smart move.
Especially when your team limped into the playoffs.

I heard Tony say on PTI yesterday, that it was Jessica’s dad that alerted the Paparazzi as to their whereabouts. Otherwise, its possible no one would have known because of the short amount of time there. This is a way overblown topic, but that is what today’s media does and the public sucks it up.