Well, dear AVS'ers, I've certainly managed to hijaak another thread long enough, and there's no nice place for me to keep rambling on about my new toy, so let this serve as a dumping ground for all things Nevo Q50.

So far it's been a tremendous amount of fun tweaking the hell out of it. Multi-sends per button have proven to be painless, allowing me to evertime I select, say, BD playback, the device sends a pseudo macro of a signal to my AVR to switch input, my Monoprice box to switch HDMI, and my Zektor to switch 5.1 analogue (that's using the read signal from the AVR, but that's another story).

It's quick, the buttons feel -great-, and it's exactly what I've been hoping for all these years, a touch screen remote with buttons aplenty for those things that you simply don't want/need for touch.

There have been a couple hiccups on the learning curve, including a seemingly hidden feature to allow for passthrough from the master page (thank you Mr. NYC!). Setting up for general use was done in minutes, the last few days (and no doubt weeks upcoming) spent on simply finding better, simpler ways of getting the job done. For example, I had originally created all my network icons as individual buttons, rather than a single button with the station logos as transparent PNGs that I could then overlay as a symbol.

I may use 10 guage Home Depot extension cord for my speaker wire as I'm entirely skeptical of much of the sillyness of this hobby, but it's certain that no device is used quite so often and repeatedly as your system remote. I toyed with Harmonies and found them too hard to customize, frustratingly making all the decisions that -I- want to make (reminds me of Macintosh, but that's another story...;)). I've fondled Crestron systems, far more hardcore than my simple theatre room needs. I tested out prontos, and found them either hard to handle one handed for the button versions, or with the all touch versions the same old problems regarding the lack of tactile feedback for those functions most used. Even the early Nevo had too few buttons to make a go, and stories regarding battery life and flaky wifi left me wanting. In short, the Q50 seems to hit all the right buttons! (oh, *gag*...)

I look forward to exploring the videos online and to making the most out of my 16 colour screen - it's a nice challenge for a designer to make things look good with gradients, noise, etc., but it's pretty damn easy using bold colours to make some mighty fine icons.

At any rate, here's hoping the mods could move some of my ramblings from the other thread into here, and others can share their own stories of this lovely little magic wand. In a hobby that surely owes quite a bit to fallacies (ahem), it's nice to see a little thing you hold in your hand give so much pleasure. :) (god, it's getting worse... sorry about that - Ed.)

Sounds great, how can I get one? I've received helpful advice about getting one on eBay, but if I wanted to buy an factory warranteed Q50 with connect and all software, with access to online tutorials as supposedly exist, who will sell me one? The 3 local outfits (Minneapolis region) are the "call us for theater installation" custom places by appointment only. All I want is the remote from an authorized dealer. I'd think that the more expensive the product was, the easier it would be to buy, why is this so difficult?

Sennat

...yeah, I find it odd it's so hard to track down - I was trying to find a retailer in Manhattan to no avail!

Instead, I get a good price from my trusty retailer (Canadian Sound, in the 'burbs of Toronto) and got it 24 hours after ordering.

Best of luck!

(newest tweak - changing the delay between signals to 0 miliseconds certainly helps with channel changes. A nice feature sure would be to simply have it send, say, "504" for a channel switch while programming, rather than 5...then 0.... then 4.

Hell, there might even be a way to do this... NYC? :)

(newest tweak - changing the delay between signals to 0 miliseconds certainly helps with channel changes. A nice feature sure would be to simply have it send, say, "504" for a channel switch while programming, rather than 5...then 0.... then 4.

Hell, there might even be a way to do this... NYC? :)

Nice to have this thread. Hope it stays alive! Don't think there's a shorthand way to tell the nevo to press consecutive number buttons, unfortunately. I haven't set up a favorites page, because even though it looks cool to have the channel graphics on the touchscreen, I really don't watch tv that way. I always go to the cable guide to find what I want, rather than flipping through channels.

Latest addition-- just added beeps to all of my touchscreen buttons, but not the hard buttons. Nice to have that extra feedback when you press the screen.

I will investigate shortening the delay on various functions to speed up performance as you suggest.

One random thought-- channel up and down are way too prominent-- who just flips up and down channels these days? These buttons were essential when you had 13 channels to choose from 30 years ago, but not anymore. And I sometimes accidentally go to the channel buttons when I want volume, which is a drag when you're watching a DVR'd show, since it takes you back to live tv. The "last channel" button, though, is useful.

And Sennat: Here's the place I got mine. It was through ebay, but they are an authorized dealer (I think) who will sell you the unit without the installation/set up part of it.


Company: Sound Systems
City: Charlotte
State: NC
Country: United States
Phone: (704) 846-2360

...actually, for me having the channel up/down button is a blessing - on my Marantz it was absent, and my cable company (Rogers) has done a nice job of collecting all HD channels in one bunch in the 500s.

As of about 24 hours ago we got CNN-HD, which leaves a total of a whopping -one- station that I still watch SD on a regular basis (Comedy, for my Daily Show/Colbert needs)

I grant you that the up/down keys are wasted on the other devices - I've set them to control my lutron, up for "dim up", down for power off. A quick, easy way to get some illumination.

I've set the last channel button to change the aspect on my Pioneer. On the PVR device, page up is set to "list", and page down to previous channel. I may still move some of this around, to be sure, but so far it's working pretty well, if somewhat counterintuitive. Ah, maybe I'll change it around now... Too many damn options! :)

One frustration is the about/settings panel that pops up when you hit the top of the screen - I had hoped that in turning off settings you could avoid this popping up. With fat fingers, pressing a button too close to the top pops this up instead of the desired function. I've got to dig into this as well...

I've been counteracting the dithering by adding noise, creating gradients with dimension and overlaying a noise layer. Looks pretty decent...

As for now, I'm kinda wasting the four device buttons to select, well, my four main devices (PVR, BD, HD-DVD, Oppo DVD). It's nice to have them in a consistant place for quick access, using the homepage to select the other elements of my system (vinyl, SACD, LD...)

I could use about 4 more hard buttons to make everything dandy, but it's a pretty great setup all told...

I grant you that the up/down keys are wasted on the other devices - I've set them to control my lutron, up for "dim up", down for power off. A quick, easy way to get some illumination.

I've set the last channel button to change the aspect on my Pioneer. On the PVR device, page up is set to "list", and page down to previous channel. I may still move some of this around, to be sure, but so far it's working pretty well, if somewhat counterintuitive.

Unfortunately, too many changes like that and I risk alienating the wife, who's not entirely convinced to this point that another fancy remote (had a Marantz 9200) wasn't a complete waste of $$. :p

...funny you should mention that, we had a discussion yesterday about this very thing...

I make up for it by having buttons for the main things in the touchscreen as well - built big and shiny buttons for a/b/c for the 8300HD, a nice yellow triangle, blue square, etc.

Silly, but true...:)

I've been a pronto user for a long time. I just opened up my Nevo SL today.....gotta say Nevo Studio is so simple to use in comparison to Pronto edit!

I plan to get a Q50 too to try out.....If anyone needs either a Q50 or SL, feel free to contact me. I haven't decided which one I am going to end up keeping but only one will stay. :)

To concur with previous posts, just setup yourself on mynevo.com as an installer/dealer when you first register once you get your remote.
If you know pronto edit, nevo software is just as simple to use. They have a 200 page user guide for downlaod also.

Fran

Helpful review of NevoStudio Pro:


http://www.remoteshoppe.com/index.php?itemid=593

Jake- Thanks for the link. You may be interested in part 1 reviewing the Q50 controller as well. http://www.remoteshoppe.com/index.php?itemid=555

I'm actually going to be adding NevoConnect to the system and reviewing that as well so if any of you guys are using it in your system I'd love to hear about your experiences with it. Is the RF communication as reliable as Z-wave's reputation would have you expect?

Jim, your first review was helpful in making me make the decision to get the unit, and it's nice to see the expansion with part 2.

How are you guys finding the default codes pulled from the DB to be? I'm having to teach for both my BD and HD-DVD players the FF/RW buttons, as the ones that are drawn from UI are flaky at best. I also was surprised, as I mentioned before, that the near ubiquitous Monoprice switcher was absent.

One thing that certainly takes some getting used to is that unlike more robust software there aren't more than one way to get into many sections. With most software, there are either thorough right click options, or the ability to use the drop down menus to get pretty much anything you want. With Nevo Studio, the options are often hid by cryptic icons situated above the section that you're trying to edit. For example, finding the icon to edit the device and add a learning code to a specific button is hardly intuitive. The "edit device" icon easy enough to track down when you've done it a few times, but having it completely seperate from the "add device" on the file drop down is an oversight.

It's early, and hopefully we won't need to know for years, but I figure it's worth exploring now - does anybody have firm numbers on replacing the battery, where it needs to be sent to be done, etc? Anybody crazy enough to open up their own Nevo for a test? :)

It's early, and hopefully we won't need to know for years, but I figure it's worth exploring now - does anybody have firm numbers on replacing the remote, where it can be done, etc? Anybody crazy enough to open up their own Nevo for a test? :)

What do you mean by this, I didn't understand it

oh, I'm an idiot... I meant replacing the battery. Sorry for the confusion.t

Jim, your first review was helpful in making me make the decision to get the unit, and it's nice to see the expansion with part 2.

thanks. I love hearing that

How are you guys finding the default codes pulled from the DB to be? I'm having to teach for both my BD and HD-DVD players the FF/RW buttons, as the ones that are drawn from UI are flaky at best. I also was surprised, as I mentioned before, that the near ubiquitous Monoprice switcher was absent.

The codes in the database need to be improved and I had a tough time at first. However, once you get into the programming and mix and match the different options + the learn and HEX codes it was easy enough to get the programming done. I was also fortunate enough to have a lot of the HEX codes I needed so that certainly helped.

One thing that certainly takes some getting used to is that unlike more robust software there aren't more than one way to get into many sections. With most software, there are either thorough right click options, or the ability to use the drop down menus to get pretty much anything you want. With Nevo Studio, the options are often hid by cryptic icons situated above the section that you're trying to edit. For example, finding the icon to edit the device and add a learning code to a specific button is hardly intuitive. The "edit device" icon easy enough to track down when you've done it a few times, but having it completely seperate from the "add device" on the file drop down is an oversight.

I chuckled at this because the icons are only cryptic because it's still new to you ;-) I love the fact that the icons are grouped the way they are but I then again I had some experience with the original NevoStudio so NSPro had a very familiar look to me. A funny analogy... I trained with some video editing software and we were taught to use keyboard shortcut menus instead of the pull-down navigation... after that experience I'll take cryptic icons any day.

It's early, and hopefully we won't need to know for years, but I figure it's worth exploring now - does anybody have firm numbers on replacing the battery, where it needs to be sent to be done, etc? Anybody crazy enough to open up their own Nevo for a test? :)

I believe they're going to ask you to go back to your dealer for all support issues and that would include battery replacement.

I plan to tackle the battery when the time comes......My Q50 and NevoConnect will be arriving tomorrow! So long "plasma IR interference" once and for all!

:)

Thanks Remoteshoppe for the second part of the review :)

This confirms my choice for the Q50

I am sorry to ask this question a new time :o, but I try to find an (official) retailer who is willing to deliver a Nevo Q50 in Europe ? And it is quite difficult.

Sound Systems in Charlotte, which is quoted, doesn't have an online shop :(

Help me, how can I get one, too ?

Thanks in advance ;)

A poor french guy ! :p

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Help me, how can I get one, too ? A poor french guy ! :p

I'm a poor American guy, I'm having the same problem. I tried contacting the three dealers mynevo lists for the Minneapolis area - a large, albeit cold, metro. The responses were (1) not a dealer anymore, try Pronto instead; (2) they'll sell it but no access to updates or tutorials; or (3) they'll sell it for retail price but with absolutely no support (their words). The alternative seems to be eBay with no warrantee. I've never had so much trouble spending $1K, their business must be booming to be able to say NO to end user sales.

Really, are there no authorized dealers in this forum who would sell me this product, with updates and tutorial access? Come on, easy money! Charge me retail and throw in a few macros, but I insist on being able to maintain and tweak the programming myself long term.

Sennat

Sennat,

Call Dave D'Arche at RemoteQuest. Great guy who stands behind his products, is an authorized dealer and a frequent poster at Remote Central offering his help to others.

Linky... http://RemoteQuest.com/uei_nevo_q50.htm

Mark

Yatchaks, thanks for the suggestion.

Sennat

I got my Q50 today and have to say it is much more user friendly than the 3000 series pronto I was using. Plus the software is much much better if you ask me.

I am having one small problem though. After I got done creating my setup I installed it and at first I couldn't get my DVR functions to work. Everything appeared alright but when I hit button I got a small caution triangle at the top of the screen. What I ended up doing is redoing the dvr setup and reinstalling it and it worked fine.

Now though I am having the same problem with my xbox 360 functions. I have tried redoing them with no luck. they still don't work and I still and getting a caution triangle at the top of the screen. Everything else works wonderful. I know it is just my xbox but I figured I want everyhting on this remote. Anyone have any ideas?

thank you in advance

I just got my Q50 yesterday...haven't played with it yet.

You may want to post your question on the UEI forums of remotecentral.com . There is probably somewhere there who can answer the question a bit faster.

I agree, the Q50 has a great feel. I just sold my Nevo SL, glad I did, the Q50 seems so much more rugged. All the hard buttons make it the perfect setup! If anyone is looking for a Q50, PM me, I have another brand new that I will be selling

Fran

I'm a poor American guy, I'm having the same problem. I tried contacting the three dealers mynevo lists for the Minneapolis area - a large, albeit cold, metro. The responses were (1) not a dealer anymore, try Pronto instead; (2) they'll sell it but no access to updates or tutorials; or (3) they'll sell it for retail price but with absolutely no support (their words). The alternative seems to be eBay with no warrantee. I've never had so much trouble spending $1K, their business must be booming to be able to say NO to end user sales.

Really, are there no authorized dealers in this forum who would sell me this product, with updates and tutorial access? Come on, easy money! Charge me retail and throw in a few macros, but I insist on being able to maintain and tweak the programming myself long term.

Sennat

PM me....I have a spare factory sealed Q50 and Nevo Connect if you need one, you can get full access to mynevo.com for software updates, tutorials etc. I will show you how to do it.

Fran

I spent most of last week learning the StudioPro but I'm sure I could learn more and better tricks from a tutorial.

Has anyone tried the online tutorials being offered? I see there are some being offered in Feb. Maybe these are the first ones offered?

Anyway I love the remote and software.

I spent most of last week learning the StudioPro but I'm sure I could learn more and better tricks from a tutorial.

Has anyone tried the online tutorials being offered? I see there are some being offered in Feb. Maybe these are the first ones offered?

Anyway I love the remote and software.

I've watched the tutorials and found them to be very helpful. No need to wait for the upcoming live sessions-- there are a dozen or so pre-recorded sessions to view at any time. Just go to "Nevo University," then the "Attend a Session-- Recorded Session" link in the upper left corner. You need to fill out some bibliographic information after you select a session topic, but then it'll load and play.

Thanks Jake. I watched a couple of these and they were very helpful.

consider this a minor tweak for those interested - you can set on a page by page basis the ability to turn off the top menu (the bar that shows the name of the page, battery remaining, etc.)

This has the added advantage of several things - first, you can now put buttons right up to the top of the screen. Secondly, and more importantly, it prevents the settings/clock screen from popping up when you have buttons tucked up there.

Obvious to some, but I found it buried in an unrelated video and thought it worth sharing.... :)

Thanks for the tip, shark! Similarly, I also like to remove the bottom bar--which allows you to scroll through the different page screens of a device-- on those devices where I only have one page. Again, frees up more screen space for buttons.

...bought the Integra 9.8, interesting that this mondo popular unit isn't in the DB yet (9.4 is, but a totally different set of keys).

Used the generally painless Learning mode to get things up and running pretty quickly. Now all that time I spent making my HK7200 pages perfect have gone out the window. Ah, well... :)

Also getting a handle on using nose and pattern dithering to get the most out of the screen, not quite as simple as designing for web, but it's a good, old-school skill set, building icons and gradients that work in a LCD of this caliber.

Hello,

I have a little question about "soft buttons"

Can you configure the color of the text in order to assign them as teletext buttons ?

It would be very helpful to my mind.

Thanks for your help

You'll forgive me for not understanding the question, but if by soft buttons you mean the LCD, you can of course make them any shape and colour you wish, they're simply jpeg/png/gif files that you assign.

Captions atop the buttons can even be any colour.

If you mean the hard buttons, they're all the same grey colour natch.

Sorry for my english :(

By soft buttons, I mean the 4 hard buttons that you can configure as you like with the LCD.

See the link and the explanations of remoteshoppe :

http://www.remoteshoppe.com/images/reviews/nevoq50/q50-layout.gif

In fact, i would like to use these 4 hard buttons and "edit" them with colors in order to create "color hard buttons"

For example, in this case :

http://remotequest.com/large%20Q50%20icon%20page.jpg

I would like to replace "PVR menu", "Services", "List" and "Aspect" by the color buttons that are juste above.

I hope that it's clearer than before

Thanks in advance

ah, those are alas just text labels, captions for whatever you set when programming the four top buttons (let's forget the hard/soft divide for a sec - I blame Remoteshoppe! :)). I've not double checked, but I couldn't even see a nice way of setting font or colour for those. I'll dig into the software, and if you can change background/text style for those captions than you'd be fine, but I'm not hopeful.

You can of course set those to the =function= that you wish, but you might not be able to colour them.

Thanks sharkshark :)

I hope that the backgrounds of the 4 TOP buttons can be changed, one by one, but It would be a miracle. :(

Otherwise, maybe a future upgrade of the software is likely to make it possible ?

It would definitly be a great feature, IMHO

Hi Flyingboy,

While I don't think you can change the background color of the soft button labels, you can pick the font colors and size of the text on top of it. So, you could probably create a rectangle (maybe just use a large bold hyphen or dash) in the color you choose, on top of the grey background. Should look about the same as those color buttons you have on your second screen shot. Make sure you have the "use default font" setting set to off, or you won't be able to change the font size and color.

yeah, you can use one of these ("—") if you want as well... As per NYC's (always) correct suggestion, you can set font and colour, but not bg colour....

It's a first step :)

If you can already change the color of the font, It means that with a ("-") in bold, it could be ok ;)

Thanks a lot for you two

enjoy, note mine's an ascii emdash, not just a dash. It's longer! :)

Plus, bold usually doesn't affect characters like dashes at small size. Remember you can also use a custom font, so find a nice box font and go crazy!

If anyone is still looking for the Q50- feel free to give me a call-

Matt

We are an authorized dealer. Offer support and next day shipping. We do not sell online so you must phone me if interested. Internet sales are prohibited by Nevo.

The SL was discontinued.

I am expecting to get several S70's in the next few weeks.

EDIT** The S70 just went into production and is expected withing the next 90 days. Retail for the unit will be $1199 and dealer cost is still tba.

feel free to call me @ 913.208.0733

...I use mine for lighting control, but good, ol' fashioned Lutron IR in my HT room (hardly the "home automation of the future" promised in the, well, past, but certainly enough to wow friends that don't spend time in the switch dept. of home depot.

As I think I said above (tooo...tired...to...scroll...) the UI codes were particularly bad for the Lutron stuff, so I was forced to use learning mode like a sucker.

The Z-wave stuff certainly looks cool, but I honestly couldn't think of anything that wouldn't cost a fortune to control, and with line-of-sight to my equipment rack it was an expense I didn't feel like forking out for.

I'd be interested in hearing about how people use the RF component, it may sway me one day....

So the q50 can control z-wave devices? Im about ready to buy the q50 or s70. I had originally planned to use grafik eye but if i can just do zwave switches that would be much easier. From what i read the s70 will be able to access ips such as being able to bring up my cameras over the internet on my remote?

No, currently the Q50 only uses Zwave (RF) to talk to the NevoConnect and will not control other native Zwave devices. Although it may be enabled in the future via a software update.

Mark

I basically looking for the best way to control 6 zones of lighting without going with a graffik eye. I think the eye would be a waste because the remotes control system could handle the scene settings.

I basically looking for the best way to control 6 zones of lighting without going with a graffik eye. I think the eye would be a waste because the remotes control system could handle the scene settings.

You would still need some sort of light controller regardless of the remote you use.

Joe

...I grant you that the up/down keys are wasted on the other devices - I've set them to control my lutron, up for "dim up", down for power off. A quick, easy way to get some illumination.



I'm just now finishing my HT and have the Lutron spacer system and am looking at what remote to get. When you do macros with the Q50 can you easily set the remote to lets say have the lights do a task when you hit the play button to watch a movie or have certain lights go back up when you hit the pause button? Just curious on how well it works with the lutron IR and macros

thanks

I'm just now finishing my HT and have the Lutron spacer system and am looking at what remote to get. When you do macros with the Q50 can you easily set the remote to lets say have the lights do a task when you hit the play button to watch a movie or have certain lights go back up when you hit the pause button? Just curious on how well it works with the lutron IR and macros

thanks

I am doing that exact thing with my MX-3000. I would guess it would be as easy with the Q50.

Joe

Hi everybody !

I've got mine since this morning.

I am testing Nevostudiopro : it's awesome !!

The remote is in charge since 5 hours but the indicator at the top right of the screen is still moving. Is it normal ? It seems that only 4 hours are necessary to an entire charge ?

Thanks for your help

I am doing that exact thing with my MX-3000. I would guess it would be as easy with the Q50.

Joe


Thanks Joe. I was hoping that this would be pretty easy to do with newer remotes.

Hi everybody !

I've got mine since this morning.

I am testing Nevostudiopro : it's awesome !!

The remote is in charge since 5 hours but the indicator at the top right of the screen is still moving. Is it normal ? It seems that only 4 hours are necessary to an entire charge ?

Thanks for your help

Give us a report when you get time :)

Can you control Sonos with the Q50?

Edit: Nevermind...been reading more and more about this remote and understand the software can most likely only be used/tried after buying the unit.

So, let me ask this...

I have used Pronto and Logitech software previously...and I very much knew what I was doing with the Pronto software (I even used to submit my CCF files over on Remote Central back in the day and created many different setups)...will I have any issue setting up a Nevo Q50?

You shouldn't have any problems with the software. I have found it to be quite intuitive. Also, the pre-recorded training sessions on mynevo.com should answer any questions you have.

Thanks DCulver

Trying to decide between the Q50, the SL, or waiting for the S70.

hmmmmmm....
Coming from the Harmony 1000...so whatever I get will be an improvement :)

Mike,

I have the SL and the Q50. The drawbacks of the SL for me have been somewhat cumbersome Wi-Fi, and no hard transport buttons. The Q50 has solved both these issues. I just wish the screen had the same resolution of the SL.

Frankly, I'm surprised there's not a lot more "buzz" about this remote.

Dennis

Thanks for your feedback. Since the rest of my setup probably won't be ready for a few months, I'm most likely going to hold out and see what the S70 release brings...maybe it will top and better both the SL and the Q50...I just hope the price is similair :)

Thansk again, I think I have definitely decided upon Nevo...and I'm suprised about the lack of "buzz" as well...seems like some great products!

I think the reason there isn't a lot of the buzz is due to nevo only has 2 remotes, but yet they want to cater to the installer. I myself want a bit more of a selection for my client not just 2 remotes. Companies like RTI have a wider range of models. Not everyone likes the same style remote or price. The s70 and q50 are almost same styling.

I'm trying to incorporate favorite channel buttons into my Q50 scheme. I've found a site, guifx.com, which has handy button/logo software.

I've managed to load Q50 button images into the software and then apply network logos to it-- they look great, but these buttons are static-- they don't change appearance when pressed. And I can see that the Q50 gallery does have .png files for both PRESSED and UNPRESSED states, but I don't know how to go about incorporating both images into one button.

So my question is: how do I go about creating custom buttons which have both UNPRESSED and PRESSED states into my scheme?

Thanks in advance for any guidance!

If you don't want the image to change when pressed, simply copy the button file in the same folder it's in and rename the files with the addition of "_0" (unpressed), and "_1" (pressed). Make sense?

Anyone been able to connect a Q50 from a Mac running a Win XP SP2 Virtual Machine using VMware Fusion? Active Sync will not recognize the controller in the Virtual Machine. I have been working with VMware for a week trying resolve the problem but no luck yet.

I also have a PC so I am able to connect the device that way to program in Studio Pro, but would really like to use the Mac instead.

One tip for the Q50 :

when you configure the same running time for the screen AND the unit ( for example 30s.) then both hard buttons (every ones) and the screen can wake up the remote ;)

And the hard buttons will light on with a great blue.

Great tip! I'll give this a go tonight.

Mark

Anyone been able to connect a Q50 from a Mac running a Win XP SP2 Virtual Machine using VMware Fusion?

No, but I was able to get it working with Boot Camp.

No, but I was able to get it working with Boot Camp.
Thanks for the reply. I may try that as an option.

Has anyone gotten Pronto hex codes working with StudioPro? I wasted 2 hours trying to get these hex codes (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10902726#post10902726) for discrete power-on/off working on a Panasonic DMP-BD30. I eventually gave up and used the database device code for a DMRE50 (Y0490) which has discrete power codes that work.

I don't know if StudioPro has a limit on the length of lines when entering hex codes, or some other problem, but nothing I did gave useful results. I created a Power screen with 3 buttons: Power (database), Power On (hex code), and Power Off (hex code). The buttons with hex codes did not produce valid IR output (could not be learned on another remote). Also, every other time I pushed the button a red exclamation mark would appear on the status line.

If I entered a hex code for the Power function (override the database code), then the Power button would not produce valid IR output, but the Power Off button sends a valid IR command for Power! I learned that IR code on another remote and confirmed with JP1 tools that the Q50 was sending the standard Power code from the Power Off button, so StudioPro or the Q50 is very confused.

Eventually I will have to use hex codes, so is there some trick to making this work?

--Dan

Well now hex codes work just fine. I'm using 8 of them for my BD30, including power-on and power-off.

I didn't have any trouble getting hex codes to work for other buttons besides the power-on/off. Originally I just copy and pasted the power button 2 times, changed the label and action IR command. That seemed to confuse the software. So I deleted the 3 buttons on the power page, drag-and-dropped a new 3 button power group from the key-groups tab, and my original hex codes worked perfectly.

--Dan

I entered those same hex codes to control my BD30, and they work fine. I'm not using the database, just started with an empty device.

If any of you Nevo owners still check this thread, I'm looking for any feedback you might have on Nevo remotes in general. I'm looking for a really good universal remote that I'll program myself, and I've kind of narrowed it down to the Nevo Q50, SL, or S70, the Pronto 9400, or maybe the Universal MX-980. RTI seems to be out because they're strictly installer-only.

I know this is technically the Q50 thread, but as I've read through, it looks like some of you have experience with other high-end remotes. And most of you appear to have had your Q50s for awhile so you're now the resident experts on that one!

I'm interested in any comparative comments regarding the Q50 vs. any other remotes you've used, and any of your feedback on the Q50 in use. The little quirks and annoyances that always come up in using any component are especially useful insights for me, so I especially welcome those.

And does anyone know anything about the actual ETA for the new S70? For those of you that chose the Q50 for the additional hard buttons, do you think the lack of them in the S70 is a huge handicap? Sorry for so many questions, but I'm really picky about remotes and I'm just trying hard to avoid buying an expensive paperweight.

If anybody's still out there reading this thread, thanks for taking the time to read my post and thanks in advance for any feedback you'd care to share....

I've had my Nevo Q50 about a month now, and sold the Pronto tsu7000 on ebay. I'm actually quite surprised there is not more "buzz" about this remote.
This remote fits all of my needs in a remote. I have a Denon 4308, two Sat receivers (Directv), sony ps3, and an Oppo 980hd. The q50 has enough programable hard buttons to make this the only remote you need.
It is a true "one handed remote." I also have the RF add-on called "Nevo Connect." This works much better than the rfx6500 made by philips. It can address each component individually. With the HR20-700, no tape is needed over the ir window to work properly. I strongly recommend this over the Prontos if you want a one-handed remote.

I've had my Nevo Q50 about a month now, and sold the Pronto tsu7000 on ebay. I'm actually quite surprised there is not more "buzz" about this remote.
This remote fits all of my needs in a remote. I have a Denon 4308, two Sat receivers (Directv), sony ps3, and an Oppo 980hd. The q50 has enough programable hard buttons to make this the only remote you need.
It is a true "one handed remote." I also have the RF add-on called "Nevo Connect." This works much better than the rfx6500 made by philips. It can address each component individually. With the HR20-700, no tape is needed over the ir window to work properly. I strongly recommend this over the Prontos if you want a one-handed remote.
Thanks much for the feedback. Do you think it's a good idea to go ahead and get the Nevo Connect up front, even if I'm not sure yet whether or how I'll need it? I think I'm about ready to make the jump.....everybody who already has this remote seems to love it.

The lack of buzz is due to the fact that these kinds of products just aren't marketed very well to the public, which I think is a big mistake. I've been into home theater for years and I'd never heard of Nevo until about three weeks ago when I decided to look into higher-end remote options. These just aren't out there where we see them unless we're looking for them.

Thanks much for the feedback. Do you think it's a good idea to go ahead and get the Nevo Connect up front, even if I'm not sure yet whether or how I'll need it? I think I'm about ready to make the jump.....everybody who already has this remote seems to love it.

The lack of buzz is due to the fact that these kinds of products just aren't marketed very well to the public, which I think is a big mistake. I've been into home theater for years and I'd never heard of Nevo until about three weeks ago when I decided to look into higher-end remote options. These just aren't out there where we see them unless we're looking for them.

You may get a better deal if you buy the Q50 bundled with Nevo Connect.

I would definitely get the NevoConnect with the remote. If you don't need it now, I'll bet you will down the road. I came from a MX-950, and love this remote. I miss the variables on the MX-950 and wish the screen had better resolution, but otherwise this is close to the "Perfect" remote for me.

Any word on when the s70 will be out?

Any word on when the s70 will be out?
Spoke with a dealer recently who expected it within "weeks." We'll see. The Nevo site doesn't even say that the SL is discontinued yet.

Im contemplating the s70 or an rti product. Really want to get my hands on the s70 first before committing.

Im contemplating the s70 or an rti product. Really want to get my hands on the s70 first before committing.
Well, you can't get your hands on it because it's just not out yet. But it's pretty clear that the S70, which I'm sure you know is the new generation of the SL, is designed to be more screen-oriented while the Q50 de-emphasizes the screen for those who like hard button control. They don't look to have hugely different capabilities otherwise, but that nice screen and the integrated wi-fi accounts for a pretty sizeable price jump: it's supposed to retail for around $1200, versus $699 for thr Q50.
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One dealer clarified for me that the RTIs are definitely installer-only products. So if you're looking to just buy the remote and program it yourself, RTI wouldn't be an option. I agree that the S70 looks pretty cool- I wish they'd hurry up so we could at least start reading some reviews and decide whether it's worth waiting for.

Has anyone owning a Mac successfully downloaded a file to their Q50 using either Mac Fusion or Mac Parallels?

I currently use bootcamp with success, but the Q50 is the only reason I boot into Windows, and I would rather use one of the above mentioned apps.

Mark

Hi everybody,



I am a CI here in AZ, and have been working on a large project where I had spec'd in multiple Nevo Q50 remotes, along with the associated NC-50 kits. I've used Nevo previously, and own an original SL for my personal system, and as such, have been a big promoter of their product.

With this newest project, however, I've run into some real trouble with the NC-50. I have continuously experienced an approximate maximum range of 12'-16' from any Q50 to any NC-50, with a continual drop off of signal at or just beyond that range.

I have multiple Q50s and multiple NC-50s in the project, and have reset and reconfigured the entire network multiple times. I have replaced the antennas on the NC units with new antennas direct from Nevo. I was recently informed by a Nevo Tech that a majority of the initial batch of antennas distributed were bad, and that they had received a shipment of nearly 1,000 to replace the faulty units.

I was told today that the antennas are now fine, and that either my programming or the environmental conditions of the home are causing the trouble I am experiencing.

Here are my concerns:
1. I can not attenuate or modify the signal strength or communication capabilities of any of the Nevo hardware. I have been in the CI market for a number of years, and have programmed more remotes, lighting, and automation systems than I can count. I doubt my programming is faulty, as the system operates perfectly at <10' range.
2. The home is a typical stick-built home model, with drywall and common BIB insulation. There is no lead or foil lining in any of the walls. There are no other devices that operate on or near the frequency of the Z-wave frequency that the Nevo uses. As of yet, I have found no sign of Little Green Men wreaking havoc on the system.

I have read numerous other posts where CIs are experiencing the same problems that I am. I'd like to hear any experience or resolution that any of you have run into with regards to this issue.

Thanks in advance for your feedback,
EvoHome
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With this newest project, however, I've run into some real trouble with the NC-50. I have continuously experienced an approximate maximum range of 12'-16' from any Q50 to any NC-50, with a continual drop off of signal at or just beyond that range.
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I was told today that the antennas are now fine, and that either my programming or the environmental conditions of the home are causing the trouble I am experiencing.
EvoHome

I think most of us had heard of the batch of faulty antennas. So you're convinced that that wasn't related to the problem you are seeing? I'm not experienced with z-wave myself; what is the typical range you'd expect between z-wave products? I know it's a mesh network, which makes me think that the signals are likely much shorter range than, say, 802.11 wi-fi.

One other speculation: In the Q50 as shipped, Nevo has the z-wave capability disabled, aside from the capacity to communicate with the NC-50. They are supposedly gearing up for a firmware upgrade that will "open" up the Q50 for use with other z-wave devices. Again, not knowing details of the z-wave protocol, I'm wondering if it's possible that whatever method they are using now to block open use of the z-wave functions might be affecting its communication with the NC-50. Just a thought. Let me know if you think thats a possibility or probably way off base.

Hey progprog,

Thanks first for the reply.

I did swap out all antennas with replacements from Nevo, and had no change in performance. I pulled all the Nevo gear, brought it home, and reconfigured everything again. Here's the last test layout: One NC50 sitting on the kitchen counter, SE corner; move to NW corner of Great Room with any Q50, ~40 linear feet away. When I hit about 15', indirect (out of line-of-sight) and push a button to initiate a macro, the first step or two fire off, and then I get the triangle of death, along with the "can't find" screen.

Line of sight from any Q50 to the NC50s results in better range, but not much. I took a Q and an NC out on the back patio, and got almost 30' spread with no problems. Thing is, my Client's gear is not on their back patio; damn pesky walls...

Communication with Nevo tech has been good to great.While I was really frustrated and pissed off about all this at first, they have really stepped up to handle things. It has made the process easier for me, but the Client is still not happy. He's holding my last large draw until I can complete the remote install (completely understandable).

I've ordered three TSU9400 remotes, should be here today... Any feedback on them from anyone?

By the way, the range of the Nevo on the Z-wave net should be 30'-40' according to Nevo. I did get pretty good range on a Vizia RF switch I installed, as a repeater. Seemed like about 30' on the switch...


Thanks,
EvoHome

When I hit about 15', indirect (out of line-of-sight) and push a button to initiate a macro, the first step or two fire off, and then I get the triangle of death, along with the "can't find" screen.

Line of sight from any Q50 to the NC50s results in better range, but not much. I took a Q and an NC out on the back patio, and got almost 30' spread with no problems. Thing is, my Client's gear is not on their back patio; damn pesky walls...

Thanks,
EvoHome
Hey, I've heard outdoor home theater is the new latest thing! I can see why both you and your client would be frustrated by all this; so you're both giving up on Nevo and going to the Pronto 9400?

Again, forgive my general ignorance and inexperience with z-wave. But if I read your post correctly, you imply that (1) the Q50 and NC have maybe a 30' line-of-sight communication range that quickly diminishes when obstacles are present (pesky walls...yes), and that (2) the range is improved/restored by the addition of the Vizia repeater. Clarify if I got that part wrong.

If both of these things are true, I'd surmise that Nevo is being very "generous" with their range figures and that the z-wave mesh network functions better as more devices are present. That last part makes sense in terms of my limited understanding of z-wave, and implies that only two devices, the Q50 & NC in this case, will have a fairly short range as they can't use other devices to triangulate around obstacles. Makes me think that Nevo saw the Q50 + NC combo as a one-room, short-range set-up until they enable full functionality of the Q50's z-wave chip. Any thoughts?

Also, do you have any opinion on whether the Q50's firmware restriction on z-wave could somehow affect its communication with the NC? I'm very curious about this because it suggests that Nevo really needs to hurry up with that firmware upgrade...

Hey prog;


The capable range was extended by the Vizia switch, but not enough to make up for the spread of the system overall. I could install another ten or twelve switches, at $70.00 each, or change remotes out.

I don't want to speculate on the design constraints of the Nevo gear in general. I really like the remote, even with a lower-than-usual LCD resolution. As far as communication range, I've read online that different Z wave manufacturers boast about a range of up to 100'. Maybe it's a power restriction thing with regards to the remotes... I have an original Nevo SL, which uses WiFi, which results in the battery lasting about 2 hours out of the cradle...

With regards to the restrictions, not too sure about what how or what they can limit or control with the NC. All control is issued through the Q50, which needs to have enough broadcast power to properly interface with multiple nodes outside the Nevo ecosystem.

The Vizia RF gear is nice and solid. I just did a full training session here in town a couple weeks ago. They offer a remote control with a built-in astronomical clock for around $180.00 cost. This remote far exceeds what Nevo can do now.

I like the Pronto units for the WiFi communication, and for the built-in interface with Escient and Lutron lighting control. If you're looking at lighting control, take a look at the Pronto...

Thanks,
EvoHome

Did you try the range "optimize" procedure at the install location? Did UEI tech ever suggest this?

Use the stylus to click top status bar -> Settings -> Advanced -> Ecosystem -> NC50 -> Configure -> Optimize

I think it automatically does an optimize the first time you setup the NC50 which was at your office, right?

--Dan

Last time I counted, I had optimized at least 10 different times. Did that every time I added, changed, modified, or otherwise looked at the system. I am at a second installation right now, with a single Q50 and a single NC50. If I move more than 18' from the cabinet the NC is located in, I lose connectivity. This is completely different gear that I did not check the range on previously (single-room install)...

???

Anyone ever open up a Q50?

I am going to add a tilt switch to my q50, paralleled off the "Home / Backlight" button on the side of the remote. I did this same mod to my old TSU1000 and it works fantastic. I do not have the button programmed for any actions, just used to light up the remote

I can't believe that nevo dropped the ball with no pick up sensor! scores very low on the WAF.

I am assuming that it is just snapped together like an ipod, But before I go ahead I thought I should ask if anyone has any tricks.

Thanks.

Buy some stupidglue just in case.

Anyone ever open up a Q50?

I am going to add a tilt switch to my q50, paralleled off the "Home / Backlight" button on the side of the remote. I did this same mod to my old TSU1000 and it works fantastic. I do not have the button programmed for any actions, just used to light up the remote

I can't believe that nevo dropped the ball with no pick up sensor! scores very low on the WAF.

I am assuming that it is just snapped together like an ipod, But before I go ahead I thought I should ask if anyone has any tricks.

Thanks.

You're braver than me. :eek: Let us know how it goes....

Buy some stupidglue just in case.

No stupid glue required..:p


You're braver than me. :eek: Let us know how it goes....

Figured it out, 4 screws hidden under the rubber feet, then just snaps apart like I thought.

I have the tilt switch glued in, letting it sit overnight, should finish it tomorrow. I have taken a few picts of the procedure and will post them after completion if there is any interest.

I have the tilt switch glued in, letting it sit overnight, should finish it tomorrow. I have taken a few picts of the procedure and will post them after completion if there is any interest.

By all means, post the pics! Just so I understand, the switch you're installing is to make the Q50 screen turn on whenever you pick it up or move it? How does that work?

By all means, post the pics! Just so I understand, the switch you're installing is to make the Q50 screen turn on whenever you pick it up or move it? How does that work?

Yes, I don't use the button on the side for anything other than activating the backlight, The tilt switch is just wired in parallel with the switch so when the unit is moved and that the tilt switch is activated (contact is closed) it's just like pressing the button on the side, but Automagiclly!

Just like it should have been from the factory.:confused:

I'd be interested in these pics as well Korey. :)

Yes, I don't use the button on the side for anything other than activating the backlight, The tilt switch is just wired in parallel with the switch so when the unit is moved and that the tilt switch is activated (contact is closed) it's just like pressing the button on the side, but Automagiclly!

Just like it should have been from the factory.:confused:

But aren't that keeping the contact "close-all-the-time" when you pick it up or it's like pressing the "Home / Backlight" button without letting it go or maybe the screen will just show "Home" menu forever?
So if you press the "Home / Backlight" button without letting it go, can you still press other button and get the other commands?

I like to see your mods and your finding.

But aren't that keeping the contact "close-all-the-time" when you pick it up or it's like pressing the "Home / Backlight" button without letting it go or maybe the screen will just show "Home" menu forever?
So if you press the "Home / Backlight" button without letting it go, can you still press other button and get the other commands?

I like to see your mods and your finding.

Got it all done!

The only caveat is that once the contact is closed via the tilt switch the first button press has to be done twice, must be that the backlight button is being held down via the tilt switch. sucks but is better than no motion sensor, I am already used to it.

My home button is not programmed to do anything, if yours is then yes it would obviously return to the home screen, or wherever or execute whatever action or jump you have programmed to it.

Forgot the cable for the camera at work, so pictures will follow tomorrow.

Got it all done!

The only caveat is that once the contact is closed via the tilt switch the first button press has to be done twice, must be that the backlight button is being held down via the tilt switch. sucks but is better than no motion sensor, I am already used to it.

My home button is not programmed to do anything, if yours is then yes it would obviously return to the home screen, or wherever or execute whatever action or jump you have programmed to it.

Forgot the cable for the camera at work, so pictures will follow tomorrow.
I guess I'm missing the advantage of this modification. Wasn't the problem that you had to press a button to activate the backlight, rather than just having it come on automatically with movement? After your mod, you have to press your first button twice anyway, so what's the real difference (other than probably voiding your warranty)?

New updates are available for both StudioPro and Q50 firmware. Not much new. Still doesn't enable the Jog wheel.

--Dan

New updates are available for both StudioPro and Q50 firmware. Not much new. Still doesn't enable the Jog wheel.

--Dan
Any idea what is new? Do you have to look for firmware updates on your own, or does StudioPro notify you when there's something new?

From Nevo Website:

"NevoStudio Pro 1.1 includes all of the current features of NevoStudio Pro 1.0:

Drag and drop simplicity
Easy to use wizards
Automatic image resizing, no photo editing software required
SuperFast Device Swap which allows you to replace one device with another on every button and in every macro with just a few mouse clicks
Ability to program multiple NevoQ50 Controllers and NevoConnect NC-50 base stations in a single application
Plus these new enhanced features:

Enhanced serial device support, specifically:
Ability to import all the functions and associated command strings for a given device with a single click
Repeatable serial commands
Enhanced copy paste of page collections between configurations in a single Job file
Updated IR database to include all the latest code sets
Sample files are now located in "MyDocuments/NevoStudioPro/Sample" in NevoStudio Pro 1.1
How do I get NevoStudio Pro 1.1?"

I believe you can configure the program to check for updates automatically, but I am not sure if updating the program includes checking for new firmware or not.

Thanks for the info, DTrain.

I just noticed that the Jog wheel switches screens within a group the same way the navigation arrows at the bottom of the screen do. Did it do this before, or is this something new in the latest firmware?

--Dan

I guess I'm missing the advantage of this modification. Wasn't the problem that you had to press a button to activate the backlight, rather than just having it come on automatically with movement? After your mod, you have to press your first button twice anyway, so what's the real difference (other than probably voiding your warranty)?

Unfortunately the mod did not work out as well as it did on my TSU1000. The fact that the contact that was held closed instead of momentary was the issue, I tried a bunch of caps and drain resistors, but no luck. If anyone knows where on the pcb to find a contact for just activation the backlight..

Some Picts:

http://homepage.mac.com/korey.sherwin/Nevo/PhotoAlbum7.html

Anyway, gave her a shot...

Also, I just submitted my system file to RemoteCentral, Pioneer PDP Plasma RS232 codes included. Lets get that Q50 file area online..

Unfortunately the mod did not work out as well as it did on my TSU1000. The fact that the contact that was held closed instead of momentary was the issue, I tried a bunch of caps and drain resistors, but no luck. If anyone knows where on the pcb to find a contact for just activation the backlight..

Well, you still get extra stars for bravery. Are you going to keep trying, or do you think it's not doable on the Q50?

Also, I just submitted my system file to RemoteCentral, Pioneer PDP Plasma RS232 codes included. Lets get that Q50 file area online..

Yes, by all means...!

Question #1
Does anyone have Nevo StudioPro running on a Vista 64-bit machine? I had a previous version running on this machine, but when I try to install a download of the new 1.1, I get a message that it "does not support this processor type." It installed fine on my desktop running 32-bit Vista. But my laptop is my primary computer and it's much more convenient to have it on here. Does anybody know of a workaround?

Question #2
Also, when I registered NSP, everything went smoothly and the registration ended with one of those messages about how I would need to respond to the confirmation email from Nevo within 72 hrs to "continue using" the program's features. That was about 48 hrs ago and I've received no email from them at all. The registration apparently went through (after ~18 hrs), as I was eventually able to log on to the support pages at mynevo.com and NSP appears to be fully functional. I'm concerned that I might get locked out or something if I don't respond to this non-existent email. Can anyone clarify how this works? Is there an email coming? Does it matter?:confused:

Question #2
Also, when I registered NSP, everything went smoothly and the registration ended with one of those messages about how I would need to respond to the confirmation email from Nevo within 72 hrs to "continue using" the program's features.
......
I'm concerned that I might get locked out or something if I don't respond to this non-existent email. Can anyone clarify how this works? Is there an email coming? Does it matter?:confused:

I really need some help here, as the 72 hrs have passed and it does indeed appear that I have been locked out of the support pages on mynevo.com. I put in my info and it now says "Wrong username or password" in red. I haven't tried using NevoStudioPro tonight, but my guess is that the online features have been disabled.

But I never received the email after registering.

Did anybody else run into this? Without being able to log on, I can't even get to a contact page to find an email address or phone number for support. Any suggestions or help appreciated.

I really need some help here, as the 72 hrs have passed and it does indeed appear that I have been locked out of the support pages on mynevo.com. I put in my info and it now says "Wrong username or password" in red. I haven't tried using NevoStudioPro tonight, but my guess is that the online features have been disabled.

But I never received the email after registering.

Did anybody else run into this? Without being able to log on, I can't even get to a contact page to find an email address or phone number for support. Any suggestions or help appreciated.

I thought i'm the only one, it seem like you are experiencing it too. I tried to login last night and this morning, it give me the same result like you do.

Maybe their server is down or Nevo tech filter out those "unauthorized installer" login?
Any "Authorize" installer/dealer experiencing this today?

I thought i'm the only one, it seem like you are experiencing it too. I tried to login last night and this morning, it give me the same result like you do.

Maybe their server is down or Nevo tech filter out those "unauthorized installer" login?
Any "Authorize" installer/dealer experiencing this today?

Hmmm.... i just try again a min ago, and it's works fine now. I suppose the "Server" was down earlier.

Same thing happened to me...I registered last week, never received my confirmation email, then panic set in when I couldn't log in last night...all seems well now, as was said before it must have been a server issue.

I will be buying 2 Nevo Q50 and NevoConnect systems and have some questions as it is hard to find info around the net:

- can I operate two Nevo systems under one roof (for two separate theaters)?

- will the programming software run on a Mac computer?

- what is the warranty?

- do I have to be an authorized dealer to set one up?

thanks for any info.

I will be buying 2 Nevo Q50 and NevoConnect systems and have some questions as it is hard to find info around the net:- can I operate two Nevo systems under one roof (for two separate theaters)?
- will the programming software run on a Mac computer?
- what is the warranty?
- do I have to be an authorized dealer to set one up?
thanks for any info.
Yes, you can operate as many as you want under one roof, and you only put the commands you want into each one. You could do two separate configurations, one for each HT, or you could do one configuration that allows you to select which room/zone/whatever you want from either remote.

Nevo states that NevoStudioPro was developed for Vista/XP machines and is not available for Mac OS or Linux. If you scroll back in this thread (I think that's where I saw it), I believe there are users who've gotten it to run in some sort of Windows emulator on Macs.

I actually don't know what the warranty is- haven't seen any mention of it on the forums or in the documentation. Hopefully someone else knows.

No, you don't have to be an authorized dealer, but you register as an installer so as to have access to updates and the online programming resources.

Yes, you can operate as many as you want under one roof, and you only put the commands you want into each one. You could do two separate configurations, one for each HT, or you could do one configuration that allows you to select which room/zone/whatever you want from either remote.

Nevo states that NevoStudioPro was developed for Vista/XP machines and is not available for Mac OS or Linux. If you scroll back in this thread (I think that's where I saw it), I believe there are users who've gotten it to run in some sort of Windows emulator on Macs.

I actually don't know what the warranty is- haven't seen any mention of it on the forums or in the documentation. Hopefully someone else knows.

No, you don't have to be an authorized dealer, but you register as an installer so as to have access to updates and the online programming resources.

Thank you progprog. Guess my concern was that each theater has some of the same gear in it...so if one Q50 sends a command to the blu ray player via the NC-50 in theater 1...the NC-50 in theater 2 would also pickup the command and send it to the BR player. Yes, (un)fortunately I cannot run Windows on Mac....will look into a laptop. thanks again!

Thank you progprog. Guess my concern was that each theater has some of the same gear in it...so if one Q50 sends a command to the blu ray player via the NC-50 in theater 1...the NC-50 in theater 2 would also pickup the command and send it to the BR player. Yes, (un)fortunately I cannot run Windows on Mac....will look into a laptop. thanks again!
If you read back through this thread, one complaint about tthe Q50/NC-50 system is rather limited range. So I doubt that you'd run into a problem with commands getting picked in another part of the house.

I'm new to the Nevo Connect.
Will any port on the back of Nevo Connect able to accept 12V trigger as a sensor?
I'm thinking of building some sensor but will trigger a 12Volts by a relay (by adapter/relay) when it receive a signal? I'm thinking of pluging it into one of the port.
Will this work?

I'm new to the Nevo Connect.
Will any port on the back of Nevo Connect able to accept 12V trigger as a sensor?
I'm thinking of building some sensor but will trigger a 12Volts by a relay (by adapter/relay) when it receive a signal? I'm thinking of pluging it into one of the port.
Will this work?
Those are multi-purpose ports and Nevo does make "voltage-sensors" to use with them. Whether that means a connection to the 12V triggers, I don't know. Your description is a little unclear to me. (In any event, I'd make sure that you know your plan will work, as the Nevo warranty seems to go out of its way to limit coverage.)

Those are multi-purpose ports and Nevo does make "voltage-sensors" to use with them. Whether that means a connection to the 12V triggers, I don't know. Your description is a little unclear to me. (In any event, I'd make sure that you know your plan will work, as the Nevo warranty seems to go out of its way to limit coverage.)

thanks for the reply progprog.
What i'm trying to do is using a voltage sensor (from car audio equipment - cheaper alternative). When this sensor sense a voltage/video/audio it will trigger a +12volts (reference to gnd) on another pin. I like to use that +12Volts pin (with Gnd) and connect it to NevoConnect port.
The better way to explain is, most Receiver have an "12V Output/Input Trigger" behind it. It will tell the receiver to turn on when receive a signal 12V trigger or once the receiver is on, it will output a 12V to trigger something else to turn on.
So, will the NevoConnect behave this way? Will it accept 12-Volts/0-volts power as a sensor on the back?

thanks for the reply progprog.
What i'm trying to do is using a voltage sensor (from car audio equipment - cheaper alternative). When this sensor sense a voltage/video/audio it will trigger a +12volts (reference to gnd) on another pin. I like to use that +12Volts pin (with Gnd) and connect it to NevoConnect port.
The better way to explain is, most Receiver have an "12V Output/Input Trigger" behind it. It will tell the receiver to turn on when receive a signal 12V trigger or once the receiver is on, it will output a 12V to trigger something else to turn on.
So, will the NevoConnect behave this way? Will it accept 12-Volts/0-volts power as a sensor on the back?

Just found out for myself that you need Nevo Voltage/Power sensor to detect the voltage trigger that i have and then send a different signal to the Nevo Connect.

I've tried importing Pronto device configuration files into NevoStudioPro, but I always get a message that the conversion failed. Is there something basic that I'm missing? I download the device file, usually from remotecentral, then try to import that file using the import option on NSP's file menu.

Any thoughts?

I've tried importing Pronto device configuration files into NevoStudioPro, but I always get a message that the conversion failed. Is there something basic that I'm missing? I download the device file, usually from remotecentral, then try to import that file using the import option on NSP's file menu.

Any thoughts?

You have to use the "convert external configuration" option to import ccf/pcf files.

You have to use the "convert external configuration" option to import ccf/pcf files.
Yes, I know. Its' pretty self-explanatory in the menu that that's how it's done. I'm just saying that I get a message after it tries that the conversion failed.

- will the programming software run on a Mac computer?


they can be programmed with macs, however you will need an Intel machine and set windows up in BootCamp to be able to download the file to the remote.
Unfortunately the Q50 wont communicate with the software when using virtulisation software like Fusion or Parallels, which the older NevoSL could.
However you can still do the programming in Fusion/Paralles, save the config, then restart into bootcamp to download to the remote.
This is how i program them and it works very well, as i can still use mac OS at the same time

they can be programmed with macs, however you will need an Intel machine and set windows up in BootCamp to be able to download the file to the remote.
Unfortunately the Q50 wont communicate with the software when using virtulisation software like Fusion or Parallels, which the older NevoSL could.
However you can still do the programming in Fusion/Paralles, save the config, then restart into bootcamp to download to the remote.
This is how i program them and it works very well, as i can still use mac OS at the same time

Thanks for the info! Unfortunately I do not have an Intel Mac. Think I might pickup a laptop on Craigslist or something. Thanks again.

On another note, is anyone using the RS232 optional connectivity with their Connect system? All 4 of the devices I will have the Q50 controlling have RS232 so I was thinking of going that route using Nevo's Connect serial cable option. How does serial control compare to going the IR blaster route? Does serial control allow for on/off detection for flawless macro activity? Is it more difficult to program than IR codes? Does the Nevo Studio software have a good RS232 code database?

I was finally able to read back through this entire topic...lots of needed info..thanks for your patience in your responses proprog ( ;

Thanks for the info! Unfortunately I do not have an Intel Mac. Think I might pickup a laptop on Craigslist or something. Thanks again.

On another note, is anyone using the RS232 optional connectivity with their Connect system? All 4 of the devices I will have the Q50 controlling have RS232 so I am going to go that route. I am assuming serial control is the way to go whenever possible...on/off detection for flawless macro activity, no IR woes... Does the NevStudio software have a good RS232 code database?
I've been trying to figure some of this out myself. One thing that I have discovered is that you need the Nevo serial module for each application (as opposed to a third-party RS232 adapter). They run about $70 MSRP, and it sounds like you need four of them.

I'd like to know whether the Nevo database even includes serial commands, as that option in the Add Device Wizard asks for specifics of the protocol rather than taking you to the online database. I've been trying to get more specifics on this approach to see if it has advantages that are worth the trouble and cost. Maybe someone on the forum who has already set up serial devices with the NC-50 can enlighten us both.

I updated my prior post for you progprog ( ;

Within a couple weeks I am hopefully going to have the Nevo setup with a few serial cables along with 3 of the 4 RS232 devices in my "lab" and will test there. The devices will specifically be the 60" Pio Elite Kuro, Pio Elite 94, and the Denon 2500BTCI. All offer RS232 control and Pioneer has a very extensive database for their RS232 codes....just hope i do not have to deal with any of it on a micro-programming level as it looks to be a bear. Can we say drag and drop?

The on/off detection can also be handled by the Connects optional video sensor cables. However, you still need an IR blaster along with the video sensor...so two cables for one device...with 4 devices THAT will definitely get pricey ; )

Where can I get MSRP's on their prods?

Within a couple weeks I am hopefully going to have the Nevo setup with a few serial cables along with 3 of the 4 RS232 devices in my "lab" and will test there. The devices will specifically be the 60" Pio Elite Kuro, Pio Elite 94, and the Denon 2500BTCI. All offer RS232 control and Pioneer has a very extensive database for their RS232 codes....just hope i do not have to deal with any of it on a micro-programming level as it looks to be a bear. Can we say drag and drop?

By all means, report back and let us know how it goes. What advantages do you expect from using serial control versus using the rear panel IR ports?

The on/off detection can also be handled by the Connects optional video sensor cables. However, you still need an IR blaster along with the video sensor...so two cables for one device...with 4 devices THAT will definitely get pricey ; )Those little IR blasters are pretty generic, so they shouldn't add much if any to the cost. (I've accumulated a whole baggy full of those, since they seem to come with every component I've purchased in recent years.) If you have discrete on and off codes, what circumstances arise that require separate on/off detection? I looked at the video sensor but it appears to use an RCA jack (presumably on composite or component). None of my primary video sources are connected this way- so if the TV isn't receiving that signal, and my devices aren't outputting that signal, it seems the video sensor wouldn't really apply, right?

Where can I get MSRP's on their prods?MSRPs are available Dave D'Arche at http://www.remotequest.com. I recently saw a remotecentral thread where an installer quoted the prices as $70 each for the video & voltage sensors and serial module, and somewhat less for a 6-pack (I think) of IR blasters.

I updated my prior post for you progprog ( ;

Within a couple weeks I am hopefully going to have the Nevo setup with a few serial cables along with 3 of the 4 RS232 devices in my "lab" and will test there. The devices will specifically be the 60" Pio Elite Kuro, Pio Elite 94, and the Denon 2500BTCI. All offer RS232 control and Pioneer has a very extensive database for their RS232 codes....just hope i do not have to deal with any of it on a micro-programming level as it looks to be a bear. Can we say drag and drop?

The on/off detection can also be handled by the Connects optional video sensor cables. However, you still need an IR blaster along with the video sensor...so two cables for one device...with 4 devices THAT will definitely get pricey ; )

Where can I get MSRP's on their prods?


I am using serial control on my Pioneer 5010FD and Anthem D1, Serial is not bidirectional so you have no way of receiving status back from the device. Serial has far more discreet commands and is totally the best way to go.

My q50 file is up on remote central with the Pioneer RS232 codes, I will have the newer version with the D1 RS232 codes soon. The Nevo database has no serial codes from what I have found.

You can get a better price from some of the other dealers out there, they do not charge full MSRP to DIYers, search back in this thread, it will save you a substantial amount on the 4 sensors. Great guy as well!!

As far as IR Blasters go, I use Xantech BLINK-IR MOUSE EMITTERS, they work great and have visual feedback of operation.

Serial has far more discreet commands and is totally the best way to go.
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The Nevo database has no serial codes from what I have found.

Thanks for the feedback Korey. Is that universally true, that serial has far more discrete commands, or does it vary a lot between manufacturers? If always true, that right there is enough reason for me to give it a try. Is the serial programming much more difficult?

You can get a better price from some of the other dealers out there, they do not charge full MSRP to DIYers, search back in this thread, it will save you a substantial amount on the 4 sensors. Great guy as well!!Was there someone specific you were referring to?

I'm using the serial module between a NevoConnect & a HTPC running Girder which is controlling 4 DirecTV HD DVR's, a plasma display, projector, video processor and an Integra 9.8, all via RS-232. There is a bit of a learning curve with Girder (but lots of help available) but I've got a pretty bullet-proof system with possible 2-way communication (though I'm not using it), and lots of available discretes not possible with IR.

Thanks for the feedback Korey. Is that universally true, that serial has far more discrete commands, or does it vary a lot between manufacturers? If always true, that right there is enough reason for me to give it a try. Is the serial programming much more difficult?

From what I have found there are far more commands available via 232, you would have to search for the device you want to control and find the 232 codes to verify for your self. Serial programming is easy once you know the format, you just have to type in each command, or drop a pre formated text file into Studio Pro and it will import the codes into a new device.

Was there someone specific you were referring to?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13051029#post13051029

I play around with RS232 on my Onkyo today. Pretty good I must say but not sure I can take full advantage of it.
I notice the volume were slow if I want to rapidly lower the volume. For volume control, I change to using IR instead. So one of the ports I use for IR and the other for the RS232. I get to enjoy both worlds.

I wish Nevo have the capability to do 2-ways Serial. With the current 1-way serial, the only advantage of having RS232 is more detail instructions (then I required or should I say not needed?). Even come with Serial for controlling XM/Sirrus, RI command (Onkyo brand of command to control the TAPE Recorder, DVD, CD, MD, Changer, etc…. – I don’t own any of these) which I don’t need.
I still have to add additional Voltage sensor to monitor the status.
I suppose it depends on what you required to do with your system and tell it what to do exactly. Most of the functions can be done via IR or Hardwire IR just fine.

Some Serial instructions can be found on manufacturer website and some on the manual when you purchase that item. The Sharp LCD TV I got has instructions on how to program Serial instructions. I was thinking of buying another RS232 interface but most of the functions I use on the TV are View Mode & Volume (For box cable – Receiver Mute) & Input selector. Function like TV setup (RGB gain, contrast, brightness, etc….), I'm comfortable seeing the on-screen menu and IR did a fine job of doing it. I only use Voltage sensor on this TV and use it to skip the long delay from OFF to ON to Input Selector, if the TV is already ON.

Does anyone have experience on Nevo Q50 lose signal from NC-50 from time to time? Like it show a menu asking to "Find" your NC50 every once in a while.
What did you do to solve this? Raise the NC50 and separate from the rest of the systems?

NOTE: - What i did - I program my primary controller within 5" of NC50 when it doing the update/changes. I've also "Optimize" the NC50. The distance between Q50 & NC50 is about 9ft. The NC50 is place behind the center speaker, beside Power conditioner but isolated by a wood shelf in between.

I'm thinking of getting another NC50 for my secondary Q50 (currently IR only), but now i'm debating because of the above issue.

I play around with RS232 on my Onkyo today. Pretty good I must say but not sure I can take full advantage of it.
I notice the volume were slow if I want to rapidly lower the volume. For volume control, I change to using IR instead. So one of the ports I use for IR and the other for the RS232. I get to enjoy both worlds.

I wish Nevo have the capability to do 2-ways Serial. With the current 1-way serial, the only advantage of having RS232 is more detail instructions (then I required or should I say not needed?). Even come with Serial for controlling XM/Sirrus, RI command (Onkyo brand of command to control the TAPE Recorder, DVD, CD, MD, Changer, etc…. – I don’t own any of these) which I don’t need.
I still have to add additional Voltage sensor to monitor the status.
I suppose it depends on what you required to do with your system and tell it what to do exactly. Most of the functions can be done via IR or Hardwire IR just fine.

Some Serial instructions can be found on manufacturer website and some on the manual when you purchase that item. The Sharp LCD TV I got has instructions on how to program Serial instructions. I was thinking of buying another RS232 interface but most of the functions I use on the TV are View Mode & Volume (For box cable – Receiver Mute) & Input selector. Function like TV setup (RGB gain, contrast, brightness, etc….), I'm comfortable seeing the on-screen menu and IR did a fine job of doing it. I only use Voltage sensor on this TV and use it to skip the long delay from OFF to ON to Input Selector, if the TV is already ON.

Thanks for the feedback, nizee. For those of us trying to decide whether serial is worth the trouble, user experiences like yours really help. I read about the slow volume changes on another thread and apparently there ways to do that which make it faster. (If you want the info, I can hunt it down.) Does anybody understand why the Nevo serial control isn't 2-way? And whether this is something that could be added via firmware?

I've been looking at serial control options for my current devices, and it's clear that some manufacturers support this much better than others. On a Sony ES receiver that I want to use in the exercise room, where putting everything away in a cabinet is for more than just looks, I cannot find ANY information on serial control, even though it has a RS232 port and mentions custom installation in the manual. In general, it looks like Sony is not very "serial-friendly," and it seems that hardwire IR would save a lot of headaches in that case.

Does anyone have experience on Nevo Q50 lose signal from NC-50 from time to time? Like it show a menu asking to "Find" your NC50 every one in a while.
What did you do to solve this? Raise the NC50 and separate from the rest of the systems?

I'm thinking of getting another NC50 for my secondary Q50 (currently IR only), but now i'm debating because of the above issue.

You're certainly not the first to have problems with the range between the Q50 and NC-50. Seems to be a frequent problem. I'm not sure what you're describing when you say you have it within 5" of the controller during updates/changes. Do you optimize it at the actual distance that it's at in use?

I would definitely get it out in the open more, and raise it as well. Be sure to re-optimize it in the new location. Let us know if that helps.

You're certainly not the first to have problems with the range between the Q50 and NC-50. Seems to be a frequent problem. I'm not sure what you're describing when you say you have it within 5" of the controller during updates/changes. Do you optimize it at the actual distance that it's at in use?

I would definitely get it out in the open more, and raise it as well. Be sure to re-optimize it in the new location. Let us know if that helps.

When i did some changes on the Nevo Studio software and upload the new files to the primary controller, i have the controller within 5" to the NC50. At the end of the upload, it looks like the Primary look for the the static controller (NC50) and update it too.

I did what you said too above. Optimize where i'm seating, etc.... still experience it from time to time.

I'm going to try raise the NC50 and away from other equipment this weekend; and try it again.

nizee>>>>

How old is your NC-50 unit?

This should not be happening. The range of the Z-wave should accomodate nearly any residence. We have clients using thier Nevo Q-50 nearly 200 ft from the basestation in pool areas outside to control outdoor audio equipment and music servers.

The reason I ask is a while back several NC-50 units had bad antennas and this was similar to what was happening with those units.

Who did you purchase your Nevo products through? I would contact your dealer to try to exchange your NC-50.

Hope this helps.

nizee>>>>

How old is your NC-50 unit?

This should not be happening. The range of the Z-wave should accomodate nearly any residence. We have clients using thier Nevo Q-50 nearly 200 ft from the basestation in pool areas outside to control outdoor audio equipment and music servers.

The reason I ask is a while back several NC-50 units had bad antennas and this was similar to what was happening with those units.

Who did you purchase your Nevo products through? I would contact your dealer to try to exchange your NC-50.

Hope this helps.

There's already been some discussion of the bad antenna problem earlier in this thread. Do you if there is a known serial number range or anything like that to help users discern whether they have one of these bad units?

Yes, it's the Antenna problem, i discover it 2 days ago.
I've swap the Antenna with my Network router antenna and it work fine....even outside the home i can get excellent control of my TV.

nizee>>>>

How old is your NC-50 unit?

This should not be happening. The range of the Z-wave should accomodate nearly any residence. We have clients using thier Nevo Q-50 nearly 200 ft from the basestation in pool areas outside to control outdoor audio equipment and music servers.

The reason I ask is a while back several NC-50 units had bad antennas and this was similar to what was happening with those units.

Who did you purchase your Nevo products through? I would contact your dealer to try to exchange your NC-50.

Hope this helps.

Thew750,
thanks for your suggestion. Do you know when doing the replacement. Do you send the NC-50 together with the Antenna or just the Antenna alone?
It looks like my NC-50 works fine with my wireless router antenna.

Yes, it's the Antenna problem, i discover it 2 days ago.
I've swap the Antenna with my Network router antenna and it work find....even outside the home and get excellent control of my TV.

Wow, that's great. I'm so glad you got it working well. I thought the "antenna problem" must have been an internal wiring thing or something that required unit replacement. If it's just the attached antenna, I'm really surprised nobody discovered and mentioned this earlier since it's such an easy fix.

Are you going to be able to swap it out okay? (As you know, you and I bought from the same source, so I'm curious if they're good at dealing with problems....)

Wow, that's great. I'm so glad you got it working well. I thought the "antenna problem" must have been an internal wiring thing or something that required unit replacement. If it's just the attached antenna, I'm really surprised nobody discovered and mentioned this earlier since it's such an easy fix.

Are you going to be able to swap it out okay? (As you know, you and I bought from the same source, so I'm curious if they're good at dealing with problems....)

He's not in town now. I've wrote him an email yesterday and talked to him. He's waiting for reply from his distributor. He will let me know.
Tonight, i'm going to replace it with my high-gain antenna from my router and see if i can go across the street and control it. :rolleyes::confused:

Any stocking dealer should be willing to just swap the antenna for one from an instock unit and handle the transaction through NEVO to get a replacemant for themselves. (at least that's what I would do.) I assume anyone who sells NEVO products should have several NC-50's in stock. I keep a minimum of 4 NC-50's at all times. And 6 Q-50's. If a client unit has problems it is immediatly swaped for an instock unit and I handle all delaings with NEVO so they don't have to. Nothing worse than having your control device go down and have to wait for a dealer to try to get it solved through a manufacturer or even worse a distributor. Good luck on getting a speedy remedy to your solution.

Just a guess but I don't think using a different antenna will give you the result you're after. Those antennas usually are powered by internal amps on high power routers. The NC-50 is set up to simply be static I believe. But you should have pretty good connection anywhere within 150-200 feet of the basestation. For some odd reason you can get better signal and go further at night from what I am told. Never tested it myself.


As always, I am glad to have been of assistance. And look forward to helping anyone else who may have questions or need Nevo products.

DING!!!

NEXT!!!

There's already been some discussion of the bad antenna problem earlier in this thread. Do you if there is a known serial number range or anything like that to help users discern whether they have one of these bad units?

I exchanged 3 units for local clients and would have to go back through the files and see what the SN's were. But I don't have a specific range of numbers since there was not a formal "Recall" by Nevo on these units.

I also saw that you were interested in serial modules. Let me know if you need one and I can get you some pricing.

As always, I am glad to have been of assistance. And look forward to helping anyone else who may have questions or need Nevo products.

DING!!!

NEXT!!!

Okay, you offered! My questions:
Do you recommend any type of screen protector for the Q50?
Is the Q50 robust enough to be used in my exercise room, where it'd likely get a little rougher treatment than the one in the HT?
When, IF EVER, is Nevo going to fully enable the z-wave capabilities of the Q50? My understanding is that it is currently restricted (via firmware) to communication with the NC-50, and that a firmware upgrade is expected that will open it up to communication with other z-wave devices.
When, IF EVER, is the S70 going to become a reality?
Do you sell Nevo remotes & accessories outside your local area?Kudos on what sounds like really great customer service. That's becoming something of a rarity, so I hope your customers appreciate it.

I also saw that you were interested in serial modules. Let me know if you need one and I can get you some pricing.

I missed that part of your post. If you get a chance, PM me with your Nevo prices.

progprog,

Looks like we posted in the right place ( ; This is all great info! I am going to try and allocate all the manufacturers RS232 codes asap. Pioneer has a great database...not sure about the Denon but being their first RS2332 capable blu ray player I am sure they will include the codes in the manual.

I have been an IR blaster for years and am looking forward to the stability and programmability of RS232. I am sure I will post back with many a question and hopefully some answers as well.

progprog,

Looks like we posted in the right place ( ; This is all great info! I am going to try and allocate all the manufacturers RS232 codes asap. Pioneer has a great database...not sure about the Denon but being their first RS2332 capable blu ray player I am sure they will include the codes in the manual.

I have been an IR blaster for years and am looking forward to the stability and programmability of RS232. I am sure I will post back with many a question and hopefully some answers as well.
Yes, this thread sometimes has slow traffic, I suppose because Nevo is kind of a niche product, but it is a good resource when you need it. I'm curious if you have any throughts on how hardwired-IR compares to IR blasters? A number of my components have the IR-in port on the back and I was wondering if that method is any more or less stable than just standard IR.

Yes, this thread sometimes has slow traffic, I suppose because Nevo is kind of a niche product, but it is a good resource when you need it. I'm curious if you have any throughts on how hardwired-IR compares to IR blasters? A number of my components have the IR-in port on the back and I was wondering if that method is any more or less stable than just standard IR.

Theoretically in a circuit, hardwire IR will be more reliable/accurate data capture compare IR blaster.
But if you have IR emitter paste in-front of the IR receiver, it does not matter.

Advantage of having hardwire is cheap, easy, reliable/accurate data capture by the IR receiver, no interference from bright light & no IR Emitter to break/damage (though i don't know of anybody ever break their IR emitter).

Okay, you offered! My questions:
Do you recommend any type of screen protector for the Q50?
Is the Q50 robust enough to be used in my exercise room, where it'd likely get a little rougher treatment than the one in the HT?
When, IF EVER, is Nevo going to fully enable the z-wave capabilities of the Q50? My understanding is that it is currently restricted (via firmware) to communication with the NC-50, and that a firmware upgrade is expected that will open it up to communication with other z-wave devices.
When, IF EVER, is the S70 going to become a reality?
Do you sell Nevo remotes & accessories outside your local area?Kudos on what sounds like really great customer service. That's becoming something of a rarity, so I hope your customers appreciate it.

I'll just run down your list here:

1.) I honestly have never recommended or used any screen protectors on the Q-50. It honestly has not been an issue with the screen being damaged by daily use. if someone was using the stylus a lot I could see where a screen protector could help with wear.

2.) I can't imagine a fitness room meing harder than using a Q-50 in a pool area outdoors. I have several clients who use Q-50's for contol of outdoor audio and video. They get dropped off decks, placed on concrete and still manage to hold up without complaints. I would say that with the price tag comes a bit of respect for the device however. If it were a $50 remote it would be treated as a $50 remote. These seem to be treated a bit better since they cost ten times that.

3.&4.) I am waiting like the rest of you for this. I would imagine that that firmware upgrade will happen shortly after the release of the S-70 which is expected within the next 30 days from what I have been told.

5.) I can sell outside the KC area but prefer to do so only if you don't have a local dealer who is reputable. It would not be unheard of for me to simply reccomend someone in your area if you have special needs such as programming or are .... Well, just a "pain in the ass customer" I prefer to only work with clients out of state who are competent and understand that me selling them a Nevo is more a courteousey than a profitability thing.

If you have pricing questions or are interested in ordering it is easiest to just have you call. The office number is (877)749-9827 I'm pretty sure if you press 1 it will go straight to the sales dept.

I'll just run down your list here:

1.) I honestly have never recommended or used any screen protectors on the Q-50. It honestly has not been an issue with the screen being damaged by daily use. if someone was using the stylus a lot I could see where a screen protector could help with wear.

2.) I can't imagine a fitness room meing harder than using a Q-50 in a pool area outdoors. I have several clients who use Q-50's for contol of outdoor audio and video. They get dropped off decks, placed on concrete and still manage to hold up without complaints. I would say that with the price tag comes a bit of respect for the device however. If it were a $50 remote it would be treated as a $50 remote. These seem to be treated a bit better since they cost ten times that.

3.&4.) I am waiting like the rest of you for this. I would imagine that that firmware upgrade will happen shortly after the release of the S-70 which is expected within the next 30 days from what I have been told.

5.) I can sell outside the KC area but prefer to do so only if you don't have a local dealer who is reputable. It would not be unheard of for me to simply reccomend someone in your area if you have special needs such as programming or are .... Well, just a "pain in the ass customer" I prefer to only work with clients out of state who are competent and understand that me selling them a Nevo is more a courteousey than a profitability thing.

If you have pricing questions or are interested in ordering it is easiest to just have you call. The office number is (877)749-9827 I'm pretty sure if you press 1 it will go straight to the sales dept.

Well said. I always appreciate & respect CI that provide helps to the forum and those DIY.

Well said. I always appreciate & respect CI that provide helps to the forum and those DIY.

Ditto. Thanks for your help. We DIYers like to bounce around ideas amongst ourselves, but it's nice to have an actual knowledgeable source weigh in once in awhile! ;)

Well, I can do my best to answer any and all questions!!!!






Just don't make them too hard. My head head tends to hurt when i have to think hard.

Hi,

I am new to programming the Nevo Q50 and have a few questions.

1) Can you download or import current program from the Nevo to work with the file on NSP?
2) Does the Nevo Q50 charge while plugged in to the USB port? Like many other devices.

Hi,

I am new to programming the Nevo Q50 and have a few questions.

1) Can you download or import current program from the Nevo to work with the file on NSP?
2) Does the Nevo Q50 charge while plugged in to the USB port? Like many other devices.

Hey Rick, you're not being ignored. I saw your question right away but thought someone with definitive answers should respond. As to your first question, "Restore Configuration from Nevo" on the file menu will download the attached Q50's configuration to a file location that you choose.

As to your second question, I haven't seen any mention of this, so I'll make one up!! No, my "educated" guess is that it does not charge via USB, and I'm basing that on the warning I've seen several times to make sure that your Nevo is sufficiently charged to not shut itself down during updates or configuration downloads. If it were getting any juice via USB, that wouldn't be a problem and that warning wouldn't be necessary.

I hope that helps. Maybe someone who knows the second answer more definitively will weigh in at some point.

Hey nizee, did you ever try that long-gain antenna experiment? I'm curious to hear the results if/when you do....

progprog,

Thank you very much for the reply!!

Yeah......I did see that option in the drop down menu and tried it but, I noticed it was downloaded from the Q50 as a " .nvo" file, and when clicking on it NSP 1.1 says its a unsupported file type. The files that I have saved are always .nvj files.

It would be nice if it slowly charged once hooked up to USB even if it did need a full charge before programming.

Yeah......I did see that option in the drop down menu and tried it but, I noticed it was downloaded from the Q50 as a " .nvo" file, and when clicking on it NSP 1.1 says its a unsupported file type. The files that I have saved are always .nvj files.

Sounds like it's saved as a "configuration," not as a "job." I would try this next: In NSP, start a new job, then "Import Nevo Configuration" and select that file. Let me know whether that works.

Hi,

Yeah....that worked...thanks!! Had to start new job untitled, restore config for nevo to desktop then it open up in new job.

Thanks for the help!

Hi,

Yeah....that worked...thanks!! Had to start new job untitled, restore config for nevo to desktop then it open up in new job.

Thanks for the help!

Great! Glad to help.:cool:

Hey nizee, did you ever try that long-gain antenna experiment? I'm curious to hear the results if/when you do....

For a while, yes i did. But i unplug the high gain antenna when i remember back in school that the antenna of a 900Mhz (Z-wave) have different inductance/capacitance gain in them compare to wireless B or G which is base on 2.4Ghz. I may or may not see improvement, but i'll be drawing more current from the NC-50 antenna circuit using different antenna set-up (theoretically on electronics).
I just use the regular antenna from my router. May or may not be good thing. Just a temporary solution.
I'm going to talk to couple of engineers at work who knows better then me on this.

As to your second question, I haven't seen any mention of this, so I'll make one up!! No, my "educated" guess is that it does not charge via USB, and I'm basing that on the warning I've seen several times to make sure that your Nevo is sufficiently charged to not shut itself down during updates or configuration downloads. If it were getting any juice via USB, that wouldn't be a problem and that warning wouldn't be necessary.

I hope that helps. Maybe someone who knows the second answer more definitively will weigh in at some point.

As far as i understand, when you plug your Q50 via USB, yes it will charge your Q50.
The battery indicator on the top right will animate, showing it is being charge.

As far as i understand, when you plug your Q50 via USB, yes it will charge your Q50.
The battery indicator on the top right will animate, showing it is being charge.

I've noticed the animation too. But if it's getting power, why all the warnings to make sure that it's already charged?

I think I understand you antenna explanation. Would a similar consideration apply to the regular router antenna you're using now?

[QUOTE=progprog;13841026] But if it's getting power, why all the warnings to make sure that it's already charged?
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It does charge via USB but while it is transferring data it consumes more power than it can store via charging. They want it charged durring download to prevent the unit from dying durring data transfer. It is merely precautionary on Nevo's part.

S70 update:

I was told to realistically expect to see these units in my office the first week of July.

I will be accepting pre-orders once I get allocation numbers in the next couple weeks. I don't anticipate having more than a couple in the first shipment and will give my local clients first option before selling to out of town customers.

Check with your nevo dealers in the next couple weeks if you want to be one of the first to own this amazing device. I may have a couple available in the second shipment I suggest giving us a call to find out what we have in stock.

S70 update:

I was told to realistically expect to see these units in my office the first week of July.

I will be accepting pre-orders once I get allocation numbers in the next couple weeks. I don't anticipate having more than a couple in the first shipment and will give my local clients first option before selling to out of town customers.

Check with your nevo dealers in the next couple weeks if you want to be one of the first to own this amazing device. I may have a couple available in the second shipment I suggest giving us a call to find out what we have in stock.

Thanks for the update. I don't know if you can offer any insight, but I can't help but think there was a problem of some sort (production, firnware, etc.), as this is so much later than the January launch suggested.

After all my curiosity, and as much as I would love to have the wi-fi capabilities of the S70, I've decided I'm too accustomed to hard transport buttons to go with a unit so touchscreen-based. I really like the Q50, so I'll just pine for a remote that offers the best of both worlds......

Side note: Think this release has any bearing on a Q50 firmware update that opens up the z-wave function?

Before I open a trouble ticket, has anyone else's Q50/NC50 combo been freezing/rebooting? Mine does this every time I quickly push a button multiple times, like dvd chapter skip 10 times, etc. The Q50 will freeze in the middle of sending a command, and after a while will reboot and lose the time and date.

I might try using IR direct from the Q50 for a while to see if it still reboots. The Q50/NC50 communicate to verify each command sent, which might be the cause of the problem.

--Dan

Before I open a trouble ticket, has anyone else's Q50/NC50 combo been freezing/rebooting? Mine does this every time I quickly push a button multiple times, like dvd chapter skip 10 times, etc. The Q50 will freeze in the middle of sending a command, and after a while will reboot and lose the time and date.

I might try using IR direct from the Q50 for a while to see if it still reboots. The Q50/NC50 communicate to verify each command sent, which might be the cause of the problem.

--Dan

Boy, I don't think I've heard of that before, but you might want to go back and skim through the thread to be sure. Keep us posted on how direct IR works. BTW, is your setup Q50 to NC50, then wired-IR to DVD? And does it do this with other components as well, or just the DVD player?

Before I open a trouble ticket, has anyone else's Q50/NC50 combo been freezing/rebooting? Mine does this every time I quickly push a button multiple times, like dvd chapter skip 10 times, etc. The Q50 will freeze in the middle of sending a command, and after a while will reboot and lose the time and date.

I might try using IR direct from the Q50 for a while to see if it still reboots. The Q50/NC50 communicate to verify each command sent, which might be the cause of the problem.

--Dan

Reload your data from studio pro. It sounds like you may have had some sort of error when uploading your current set-up to your Q-50. The other issue is that well your Q-50 uses windows and well it is windows. The NC-50 has a very slow OS that simply may not keep up with your Galaga style rapid fire of a thumb.

Good luck. My guess is that Nevo will tell you the same thing. Sit back and relax press and wait, press and wait, press and wait..............

Well I just had to send my Q50 back...came to me with what NEVO diagnosed as a corrupt OS. Nice though that I can still program in the meantime with Studio Pro. Aside from the NEVO website, anywhere I can download some sample configs/buttons?

Well I just had to send my Q50 back...came to me with what NEVO diagnosed as a corrupt OS. Nice though that I can still program in the meantime with Studio Pro. Aside from the NEVO website, anywhere I can download some sample configs/buttons?

Sure, check out remotecentral.com. What were the symptoms you saw in the Q50?

thanks for that. It won't show up as an available controller. When trying to update its firmware, it does not give me current version information...the tech said that meant it was a goner.

God Bless Microsoft.

Faulty OS, who'd have thunk it?

God Bless Microsoft.

Faulty OS, who'd have thunk it?

Do the Nevos use a Microsoft OS?

Having read through this great thread I see a lot of happy campers. Love the look and feel of this remote, but what are people doing for PS3 control? Are you using an ir/usb dongle? If so as the ir ports are powered off when the PS3 is off, how are you getting around the power on/off issue? If the Nevo answers all of the above questions out of the box, please forgive this post.

Having read through this great thread I see a lot of happy campers. Love the look and feel of this remote, but what are people doing for PS3 control? Are you using an ir/usb dongle? If so as the ir ports are powered off when the PS3 is off, how are you getting around the power on/off issue? If the Nevo answers all of the above questions out of the box, please forgive this post.
My understanding is that the PS3 only has bluetooth control, so you must use the PS3 controller or their optional remote. I have no idea why Sony does that, since so many people use it as their primary blu-ray player and would want to integrate into their AV control system.

Correct me if I'm wrong about that, as I'm looking to buy the new PS3 for my son and I've been assuming I can't integrate into my remote. I'd love to be able to if there's a way.

My understanding is that the PS3 only has bluetooth control, so you must use the PS3 controller or their optional remote. I have no idea why Sony does that, since so many people use it as their primary blu-ray player and would want to integrate into their AV control system.

Correct me if I'm wrong about that, as I'm looking to buy the new PS3 for my son and I've been assuming I can't integrate into my remote. I'd love to be able to if there's a way.

This will enable IR control of your PS3

http://www.schmartstuff.com/ps3irpr3.html ;)

This will enable IR control of your PS3

http://www.schmartstuff.com/ps3irpr3.html ;)

Thank you!!! Does that thing actually work well? Where do put it?

"Removable screw terminal block for wiring up hardwired IR commands (such as “IR Blaster”)"

Does that part of the description mean that I could put it out-of-sight and send commands via wired IR from the NC-50?

Thank you!!! Does that thing actually work well? Where do put it?

"Removable screw terminal block for wiring up hardwired IR commands (such as “IR Blaster”)"

Does that part of the description mean that I could put it out-of-sight and send commands via wired IR from the NC-50?

I don't have a PS3 so I don't know.

Perhaps the forums have more info: http://ps3ir.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php

I don't have a PS3 so I don't know.

Perhaps the forums have more info: http://ps3ir.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php

Thanks Korey. I'll look into it.

My understanding is that the PS3 only has bluetooth control, so you must use the PS3 controller or their optional remote. I have no idea why Sony does that, since so many people use it as their primary blu-ray player and would want to integrate into their AV control system.

Correct me if I'm wrong about that, as I'm looking to buy the new PS3 for my son and I've been assuming I can't integrate into my remote. I'd love to be able to if there's a way.

Thanks. Yes I've come across that solution on the PS3 thread, just wondered if the Nevo was some sort of panacea to Sonyitis. Reason continues to trump hope.

I have the schmartstuff dongle in my PS3. I have a regular IR emitter stuck to the front of it, which goes into my NC50. Using the codes in the Nevo database for the PS2, I have all of the buttons I need for DVD control and PS3 menu navigation. Other than the fact that I have the older model that does not allow for power on/off, I'd never even know that I was controlling a PS3 rather than a stand-alone BD player.

There are newer versions of the schmartstuff solution (and from two other companies that I know of) that do power on/off (via macros I believe). These newer units are also small stand-alone boxes, which allow you to connect it to the back of the PS3 using a regular 3.5mm stereo cable, which makes for a more elegant solution if looks are important to you (plus it frees up a USB port, again if that is important to you).

ah, my little thread has grown in my absence, nice to see the cult of Q50 grow in the face of the Harmony onslaught (along with those Pronto bastards...;) )

anyhoo, I also have come to try and Nevo-up the PS3, digging into the new version of Nevo Studio to do so.

I scored a PS2 remote with the IR thingy, and a USB>PS2 controller adapter (as discussed in the BD forum).

I spent some time ripping apart CCF files from our friends at IR2BT trying to see if they'd play nice with the PS2/3 combo IR thing I've got going on. As per many posts y'all know that the PS2 remote doesn't have the PS button (for, say, powering on), not the four colour buttons. It does, however, have direction keys, hypothetically letting you nav the XMB.

Even with my PS2 remote, nav'ing the XMB results in sometimes -skipping- multiple columns, no matter how quickly or gingerly I press the button. I had hoped with the Nevo that I could fake a micro-quick button push, but, alas, it seems the only thing that can be set is an IR duration of 1 sec as the min.

Curious if anybody has dug into Nevo Studio to see where IR transmission time can be shortened below 1 sec. Also curious if any Nevo-ers have had any fun with the several options of BT to IR for controlling their PS3?

I have the schmartstuff dongle in my PS3. I have a regular IR emitter stuck to the front of it, which goes into my NC50. Using the codes in the Nevo database for the PS2, I have all of the buttons I need for DVD control and PS3 menu navigation. Other than the fact that I have the older model that does not allow for power on/off, I'd never even know that I was controlling a PS3 rather than a stand-alone BD player.

There are newer versions of the schmartstuff solution (and from two other companies that I know of) that do power on/off (via macros I believe). These newer units are also small stand-alone boxes, which allow you to connect it to the back of the PS3 using a regular 3.5mm stereo cable, which makes for a more elegant solution if looks are important to you (plus it frees up a USB port, again if that is important to you).

Does this mean the new one essentially allows hardwired IR control? I can't think of what else a 3.5mm jack on the back of the PS3 would be, but maybe I'm just not reading your description correctly.

NEVO S70's ready to ship late this week. I will have 6 units in the first allocation. 3 are spoken for. If any of you want one please let me know. They should go fast!!!!!

Does this mean the new one essentially allows hardwired IR control? I can't think of what else a 3.5mm jack on the back of the PS3 would be, but maybe I'm just not reading your description correctly.

My bad, the 3.5mm cable goes from the NC50 to the little black box. At that point, I believe the box acts like a PS3 remote, sending signals via Bluetooth. But you should probably check these facts... I believe all three solutions that I know of act in slightly different fashions. I probably should have stopped my original post at vouching that the Q50/NC50 works well with this :o.

ordered the IR4PS3 and have already programmed the Nevo for its impending arrival... Will advise on how it works with the Q50 when I get it in the next few days.

ordered the IR4PS3 and have already programmed the Nevo for its impending arrival... Will advise on how it works with the Q50 when I get it in the next few days.
Great, please do. Even though the PS3 (that I hope to get on Thursday:mad:) is for my son, it'll be my task to set up in the HT, and I'm really hoping to be able to control it from the Q50.

SUCCESS!!!

So, not only did I receive my IR box some 72 hours after buying a PS3, it performs flawlessly... No skipped columns when nav'ing the XMB, PS button launches as expected, the built in macros for on/off (including monitoring of power state) work as advertised, and Benoit even let me pester him with silly questions about polarity.

The power supply you need to use is one of those micro barrel ones that some cell phones still use, and I managed to double check polarity with a staple running down the shaft to the pin, red probe on the staple, black on the outer covering. (this all sounds filthy, I grant you).

The Q50 =does= seem to do a continuous transmission, meaning I can hold down the PS-key equivalent and have it operate just like with the PS3 remote...

Ben's got .NVO files to work from (HEX codes and CCF files as well), but I've done a bunch of tweaking to make it happy with my Q50 setup. So far, so excellent, and it continues to amaze me that Sony can't sell this to me for the price I paid Ben ($40+cost of BT remote+Shipping).

He made it clear that he's not doing a website to keep order numbers small. The other sites seem to be sold out, having long waiting lists. If it's something you're interested in, give him a shout, it certainly seems to do the trick.

Thank you!!! Does that thing actually work well? Where do put it?

"Removable screw terminal block for wiring up hardwired IR commands (such as “IR Blaster”)"

Does that part of the description mean that I could put it out-of-sight and send commands via wired IR from the NC-50?

It's been a while i've been to this tread.
Yes, i do own PS3IR-PRO when the first unit launch by Mike.

With NC-50, Nevo Connect, I build my own USB & Optical output sensor unit to sense the Voltage or Optical Light from the PS3. You can also purchase Nevo Voltage sensor and connect to USB Pin 1 & 4 on that USB pins. PS3 will turn off USB power if the power for PS3 is OFF. It's a way to tell Nevo that PS3 is OFF or ON state.

I've done mapping of the Code and menu for the PS3 for Nevo user and forwarded it to Mike. It will also work without the NC-50. If you purchase the unit from Mike, Please mention my name and ask for Q50 Nevo Universal Remote file that work with his system.

Hope that helps.

It's been a while i've been to this tread.
Yes, i do own PS3IR-PRO when the first unit launch by Mike.

With NC-50, Nevo Connect, I build my own USB & Optical output sensor unit to sense the Voltage or Optical Light from the PS3. You can also purchase Nevo Voltage sensor and connect to USB Pin 1 & 4 on that USB pins. PS3 will turn off USB power if the power for PS3 is OFF. It's a way to tell Nevo that PS3 is OFF or ON state.

I've done mapping of the Code and menu for the PS3 for Nevo user and forwarded it to Mike. It will also work without the NC-50. If you purchase the unit from Mike, Please mention my name that unit a file for Q50 Nevo Universal Remote that work with his system.

Hope that helps.

Thanks, nizee! Good to see you back on here. I'm really new to this PS3 + remote issue, but after a few days, it's obvious we want a solution. Where do you order this device? And who is Mike?

Thanks, nizee! Good to see you back on here. I'm really new to this PS3 + remote issue, but after a few days, it's obvious we want a solution. Where do you order this device? And who is Mike?

Progprog,
Here his website you can purchase.
http://www.schmartstuff.com/ind.html

He has a tread over here.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=946674&highlight=PS3IR-PRO

hope that helps.

I just finished programming my Q50, and it was much easier then expected. If anyone is on the fence with doing a Nevo, and is concerned about programming, don't worry. NevoStudio is very user-friendly, and was a complete breeze to use. Much easier then a MX-3000, but a lot more control then a Harmony. Perfect balance. Loving this remote!

Can anyone help with this one?

I can't get the blue backlighting on my hard keys to come on anymore- doesn't happen when I active the screen, press a key or dock the controller. Rebooted the controller, hit the reset button, no dice.

Any ideas if something is fried, or if I changed a setting somewhere?

Check on top of page where the gears are (Nevo System Settings) Open tab click on edit, under Power Management look for back light brightness and move slide bar. Hope this works!. GREAT REMOTE!!!

Check on top of page where the gears are (Nevo System Settings) Open tab click on edit, under Power Management look for back light brightness and move slide bar. Hope this works!. GREAT REMOTE!!!

Thanks, but no dice- that slider just increases the backlight on the screen, did not change that I have no backlight on the hard keys.

When do the blue key lights come on for you- what do you have to press to get them to come on? Maybe I can narrow this down a little- am also going to try a hard reset and re-download tonight.

Hi guys
Got a new Nevo Q50 last week. Have been getting use to the software and just know this is going to be great. Only problem I have at the moment is that I cant get my PC to recognise the remote. I installed StudioPro before I connected the unit for the first time. In the bottom right of the browser in the connections section "USB connection" is greyed out. If I dig into windows on the problem it tells me that there are no drivers installed for the device. Kind of wierd - I thought they'd be installed when I installed the program.

So - any ideas?? I was thinking of un-installing StudioPro and starting again, but thought I'd ask here first.
Dave

Hi guys
Got a new Nevo Q50 last week. Have been getting use to the software and just know this is going to be great. Only problem I have at the moment is that I cant get my PC to recognise the remote. I installed StudioPro before I connected the unit for the first time. In the bottom right of the browser in the connections section "USB connection" is greyed out. If I dig into windows on the problem it tells me that there are no drivers installed for the device. Kind of wierd - I thought they'd be installed when I installed the program.

So - any ideas?? I was thinking of un-installing StudioPro and starting again, but thought I'd ask here first.
Dave
Make sure that Windows Mobile Device Center is loaded on your machine. It provides the Windows connection/driver to the Q50. [This is for Windows Vista. In XP, this had a different name and I can't remember what it was off-hand...]

Hi Progprog
I realised I should have said i use XP
I've got as far as working at that Active Synch isnt "connecting" and trying to work through that now. Ideas still welcome
Cheers
Dave

Can anyone help with this one?

I can't get the blue backlighting on my hard keys to come on anymore- doesn't happen when I active the screen, press a key or dock the controller. Rebooted the controller, hit the reset button, no dice.

Any ideas if something is fried, or if I changed a setting somewhere?
I have exactly the same problem. I noticed it after leaving it on the charger for a week while I was out of town, only to return to find that the contacts were not connecting and the battery was completely drained. I recharged the unit and it works fine except for the button lighting. I'm not sure if this was when it actually started, but it was when I noticed it.

I have reloaded all of the firmware and it did not help. Any suggestions?

Hi Progprog
I realised I should have said i use XP
I've got as far as working at that Active Synch isnt "connecting" and trying to work through that now. Ideas still welcome
Cheers
Dave
I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, but it's been about a year since I used XP, so I just don't remember the Sync details that well. But I'm certain that that's where your problem lies. (Gee, a problem with Windows??? How odd! :rolleyes:) Anyway, Sync is where the drivers are that will get the connection going. Take a look at the Nevo forum over at remotecentral.com. It has a pretty clunky search function, so be patient and try several permutations of your issue, but there's a lot more in terms of specific problem solutions there than you'll find here. Also, if you have dealer/installer access at nevo.com, the Knowledge Base has lots of useful info and might address this.

Best of luck, and do report back on your progress.

I have exactly the same problem. I noticed it after leaving it on the charger for a week while I was out of town, only to return to find that the contacts were not connecting and the battery was completely drained. I recharged the unit and it works fine except for the button lighting. I'm not sure if this was when it actually started, but it was when I noticed it.

I have reloaded all of the firmware and it did not help. Any suggestions?

I have the same problem as well, anyone find a solution?

Hooray!!
Problem solved. Thanks for the RemoteCentral reference Progprog - it turns out that I didnt have the "on" button fully into the "on" position - it was in the middle (someone else there had the same problem). I dont understand why there would ever be a middle position but I guess it doesnt matter now. Activesync has found it and I'm into programing - phew.
Thanks again
Dave

Hooray!!
Problem solved. Thanks for the RemoteCentral reference Progprog - it turns out that I didnt have the "on" button fully into the "on" position - it was in the middle (someone else there had the same problem). I dont understand why there would ever be a middle position but I guess it doesnt matter now. Activesync has found it and I'm into programing - phew.
Thanks again
Dave

Fantastic!! It's also so gratifying (and amusing:rolleyes:) when it turns out to be some little thing like that! Glad you're back on track.

I have the same problem as well, anyone find a solution?
I contacted the manufacturer regarding the blue light issue and they said it is a defective remote. They will be replacing it under warranty.

Could anybody tell me if the Nevo Q50 is fully compatible with Windows Vista Media Center. We have tried to programme the Q50 from a Microsoft Media Center remote control (model 1039) but some of the functions only work intermittently.

Also we have tried to programme the Q50 from a Samsung remote control but unfortunately the Samsung RC has a single source button which has to be pressed each time you want to change the source (i.e. HDMI, EXT1, EXT2, AV, PC). The problem with this is that we needed to isolate each code/press, I think somebody refered to this as "Multi sends per button". The Samsung remote model is - LE37R8. Any help would be great, thanks.

Could anybody tell me if the Nevo Q50 is fully compatible with Windows Vista Media Center. We have tried to programme the Q50 from a Microsoft Media Center remote control (model 1039) but some of the functions only work intermittently.

Also we have tried to programme the Q50 from a Samsung remote control but unfortunately the Samsung RC has a single source button which has to be pressed each time you want to change the source (i.e. HDMI, EXT1, EXT2, AV, PC). The problem with this is that we needed to isolate each code/press, I think somebody refered to this as "Multi sends per button". The Samsung remote model is - LE37R8. Any help would be great, thanks.

I assume that you're referring to learning IR functions from these other remotes. Whenever possible, it's better to find the actual codes to use in NevoStudioPro than to learn them with the remote. The learning function, while I've not had trouble with it, seems to be considered generally less precise. Hence, your inconsistent behavior with those commands.

What you are talking about on your Samsung remote is an input toggle- it just cycles through the available options (tedious & annoying). What you want are discrete codes for the Samsung's inputs, so that you can just select a specific input directly with one button.

If you cannot find the codes for your Media Center or Samsung in the Nevo database, I would try hunting around on remotecentral.com. It can be a cumbersome site to navigate, but once you familiarize yourself with it and the quirks of its search function :rolleyes:, there's a treasure-trove of info there. Discrete codes are available for many, many devices. By the way, it's usually more effective to think in terms of finding codes for the device, using its model number, than for the remote itself. So, for example, you want to look up your Samsung TV, not the Samsung remote.

Best of luck...let us know how it goes.

flynorth, what model samsund TV do you have?

flynorth, what model samsund TV do you have?

I think flynorth kind of did a fly-by! ;)

I just finished programming my Nevo and I love it. It’s a well built remote with very easy to use software.

Remote works great, but I'm thinking about adding a Nevo Connect. I dont fully understand how the NC works. I have all my equipment in a rack. Does the remote send Z-wave commands to the NC? If so, what kind of range should I get? Does the NC need to be placed in front of the rack to send IR commands? If the NC is in front of my rack, do I need to run wires for the power sensors?

I just finished programming my Nevo and I love it. It’s a well built remote with very easy to use software.

Remote works great, but I'm thinking about adding a Nevo Connect. I dont fully understand how the NC works. I have all my equipment in a rack. Does the remote send Z-wave commands to the NC? If so, what kind of range should I get? Does the NC need to be placed in front of the rack to send IR commands? If the NC is in front of my rack, do I need to run wires for the power sensors?

Z_WAVE: The Q50 communicates with the NC-50 via Z-wave, and in your Nevo configuration, you set up which components will then be controlled from the NC-50. They don't all have to be- some can remain direct IR from the Q50, others can be controlled via the NC-50. The z-wave range between the two units seems to vary a lot, depending on building materials, etc. the signal goes through, as well as how many z-wave devices are in the mesh network. (There were some early NC-50s that had an antenna problem which constricted their range, but that's apparently been rectified.) If everything is within one room, such as a typical HT, there shouldn't be any problem. So far, Nevo only uses z-wave for communication between the remote and the NC-50; it can't communicate with any other z-wave controlled devices in your home, although it can include them in the mesh network to enhance connectivity.

NC-50 CONTROL OPTIONS: There are several ways the NC-50 can communicate with your devices. It has 7 individually programmable IR blasters, including the six multi-use ports on the back. So, it can send commands for devices out the front, but also out the back through wired IR blasters. This allows for a lot of flexibility in locating the unit. Serial modules (~ $50 each) are also available to provide serial control of devices that allow it. So, three ways the NC-50 can control:
Front LEDs blast IR out the front of the unit
Six IR ports on the back send wired IR control via blasters or wired mini-plugs
These same ports can send serial commands through optional serial modulesSENSOR MODULES: The power sensors are only used in those circumstances where your program needs to know the ON/OFF state of a device. This is usually a device for which there are no discrete ON and OFF commands, and a POWER toggle command might turn it on or off inadvertently. The video sensors serve a similar purpose- they detect when a device is transmitting video as sort of a proxy for detecting the ON state. With so many devices now offering discrete ON & OFF commands, these modules (also ~ $50 each) aren't really needed in many configurations.

TWilly,
Very sorry for the delay in replying, I have a SAMSUNG LE37R8 LCD TV.

Update,
I have actually found the codes for HDMI1 and PC in the NEVOStudioPro database, so I only need the Ext1, Ext2 and AV discrete codes.

Update,
I have actually found the codes for HDMI1 and PC in the NEVOStudioPro database, so I only need the Ext1, Ext2 and AV discrete codes.

Check the Advanced keys section for the TV in NSP. Sometimes there are more codes there that aren't in the list of commands you normally see for your device.

I see a lot of terms being thrown around but I dont fully understand them.
I was hoping someone can clarify.

I was planning on buying the Q50--but without the NC 50 for now as I already have a hard wired Niles Audio IR Unit that controls all my gear in another closet(none of devices have line of sight).

What I was getting lost in were terms like "2 way sensors", "Serial commands", "one way vs two way RS 232 control", "voltage sensing", etc etc.

Could someone tie in why these are necessary and what we lose if we dont have those available? I've got a basic idea but having a hard time putting it all together.

Thanks.

I see a lot of terms being thrown around but I dont fully understand them.
I was hoping someone can clarify.

I was planning on buying the Q50--but without the NC 50 for now as I already have a hard wired Niles Audio IR Unit that controls all my gear in another closet(none of devices have line of sight).

What I was getting lost in were terms like "2 way sensors", "Serial commands", "one way vs two way RS 232 control", "voltage sensing", etc etc.

Could someone tie in why these are necessary and what we lose if we dont have those available? I've got a basic idea but having a hard time putting it all together.

Thanks.

All those terms are only applicable if you are using the NC-50. The Q50 on its own sends all its commands as IR, like most remotes do. If you add the NC-50, you also have the option of using serial commands for those devices which offer that option. Sometimes, for some components, there are more discrete commands available in the serial command set than there are in the IR command set.

This is only a consideration, of course, for components that actually accommodate serial control, which is accomplished through an RS232 or serial connector on the back of a device. If your don't see that type of connector on the back (it looks like the monitor connector on the back of your computer), the component doesn't allow serial control and none of this matters.

Some custom remote systems allow 2-way communication within this serial protocol, although the Nevo system does not. An example would be: the remote requests some status call from the component, and then sends out the appropriate command given the component's response. So, when we say the Nevo system allows one-way RS-232 communication, that means that your components can't send info back to the remote.

Finally, there are various types of sensors that can be used with the NC-50 that are used to provide component info to the Nevo system. A video sensor attaches between the NC-50 and the component to let the Nevo system know when a video signal is being passed. A voltage sensor attaches similarly and lets the NC-50 know the power state of the component. (This is useful for devices that don't have discrete ON and OFF commands, where you don't want to send the POWER toggle command and inadvertently turn the device on/off.)

The important thing to understand is that you don't NEED any of these items- NC-50, sensors, serial control module. They are just accessories that expand the Nevo system to particular situations where these options are desirable.

I am curious about your situation and how you are planning to integrate the Q50 with the Niles IR unit. If you're already controlling everything remotely, what will the Q50 be doing?

Well, Niles IR unit is just the IR (eye and head)part of the equation.
I dont have a good universal remote at the moment--which is where the q50 comes into play.

The part with all these terms I was getting lost is in what wont the q50 do with just plan IR that I will have to go the rs 232 arena? my denon 3808 does support rs232 --so I could probably control it that way, but many dvd players, satellite boxes etc probably don't. then how does the "sensing" or "two-way" part offer additional benefits? it seems to me that not only would I have to replace my niles unit with a nc50, but I would have to make sure that all my devices can also benefit from it to be able to provide back those commands?

Well, Niles IR unit is just the IR (eye and head)part of the equation.
I dont have a good universal remote at the moment--which is where the q50 comes into play.

The part with all these terms I was getting lost is in what wont the q50 do with just plan IR that I will have to go the rs 232 arena? my denon 3808 does support rs232 --so I could probably control it that way, but many dvd players, satellite boxes etc probably don't. then how does the "sensing" or "two-way" part offer additional benefits? it seems to me that not only would I have to replace my niles unit with a nc50, but I would have to make sure that all my devices can also benefit from it to be able to provide back those commands?

The Q50 handles plain old IR just fine. I'm sure that's the way many owners are using it. The only reason you'd use serial control on something like your Denon receiver is if there are specific commands you want to use that you can't otherwise. But you're right, many, if not most, consumer AV gear does not offer serial control options. Don't think in terms of these accessories offering "additional benefits;" they simply offer additional capabilities for certain CI applications. Having these types of options is part of what distinguishes higher-end custom remote systems from the mass-market stuff like Harmony, so Nevo needs to provide them to compete in the custom market.

The two-way communication just offers a more sophisticated level of control between remote and components, but it's certainly not necessary. The vast majority of people out there are just using regular IR remotes to control their equipment, not the high-end custom install systems like Crestron and Pronto that employ 2-way RS-232, and it works perfectly well.

It sounds to me like there isn't some control problem in your system that would require the equipment we're discussing. If there were, you would know it by now!

I am concerned, however, about your intended use of the Q50 and the Niles unit. When you say the Niles unit is just the "IR part of the equation," I don't quite understand. Sorry, but maybe I just don't know how that unit works. If what you mean is that it receives the signals and simply passes them on to the components, I don't think the Q50 is apt to work with it. The Q50 is designed to work specifically with the NC-50 in these configurations- it sends commands via z-wave to the NC-50, which then communicates with the various devices using whatever protocol (IR or serial) has been set up. How specifically do you expect the Q50 and the Niles IR unit to interact?

Wow...this thread is getting big!

I am programming an S70 and am using serial communication (RS232) for a few devices...namely the Denon DVD-2500BTCI Blu Ray transport.

I have the Serial Protocol info for the Denon unit and am puzzled as to what I enter into the Denon's Device properties in NevoStudio. I am pretty sure I have all the Serial Communication Settings correct, but am not sure exactly what to input into the Command field for each function...for example:

In the list of command codes, the command code for the command "Power ON" is listed as:

"20h ([SP])"

The command code column format is:

"Code (ASCII)"

The command format for the Denon transport is:

<STX> <CC> <PC0> <PC1> <PC2> <-----> <PCn> <ETX> <BCCH> <BCCL>

<STX> is Start of Text
<CC> is Command Code
<PC> is Parameter Code
<ETX> is End of Text
<BCCH> is Block Check Character (high level byte)
<BCCL> is Block Check Character (low level byte)

I would think for the "Power On" function I would enter "SP" as the command?

Thanks for any help..

Wow...this thread is getting big!

I am programming an S70 and am using serial communication (RS232) for a few devices...namely the Denon DVD-2500BTCI Blu Ray transport.

I have the Serial Protocol info for the Denon unit and am puzzled as to what I enter into the Denon's Device properties in NevoStudio. I am pretty sure I have all the Serial Communication Settings correct, but am not sure exactly what to input into the Command field for each function...for example:

In the list of command codes, the command code for the command "Power ON" is listed as:

"20h ([SP])"

The command code column format is:

"Code (ASCII)"

The command format for the Denon transport is:

<STX> <CC> <PC0> <PC1> <PC2> <-----> <PCn> <ETX> <BCCH> <BCCL>

<STX> is Start of Text
<CC> is Command Code
<PC> is Parameter Code
<ETX> is End of Text
<BCCH> is Block Check Character (high level byte)
<BCCL> is Block Check Character (low level byte)

I would think for the "Power On" function I would enter "SP" as the command?

Thanks for any help..

Hey there,

I'm new to RS232 myself, and haven't even gotten to my Denon processor yet. That looks fun. :rolleyes::eek: But the first thing that jumps out at me in your post is that Denon's protocol appears to use a combination of HEX and ASCII characters in the command strings. NevoStudioPro can't handle these combinations (hopefully just a bug that needs fixing), and requires you to convert the ASCII characters in the string to raw HEX. So the command code section must be converted, and the parameter code does as well. (The X in "STX" and "ETX" means those characters are already in HEX, as does the "h" in your example.)

Here's a handy converter, in case you need one: http://www.centricle.com/tools/ascii-hex/

Progprog,

Thanks for the quick response. The RS232 guide for the Denon transport states the transfer format of the transfer data to be ASCII code. That translation table could come in handy though! Also, in the Denon Device properties in NevoStudio there is an option to set the serial communication settings "format" to ASCII or HEX.

Being my first time working with serial communication coding I could really use a tutorial however the Nevo documentation is absent of any helpful info (they assume one would already have the knowledge I guess)...

The Q50 handles plain old IR just fine. I'm sure that's the way many owners are using it. The only reason you'd use serial control on something like your Denon receiver is if there are specific commands you want to use that you can't otherwise. But you're right, many, if not most, consumer AV gear does not offer serial control options. Don't think in terms of these accessories offering "additional benefits;" they simply offer additional capabilities for certain CI applications. Having these types of options is part of what distinguishes higher-end custom remote systems from the mass-market stuff like Harmony, so Nevo needs to provide them to compete in the custom market.

The two-way communication just offers a more sophisticated level of control between remote and components, but it's certainly not necessary. The vast majority of people out there are just using regular IR remotes to control their equipment, not the high-end custom install systems like Crestron and Pronto that employ 2-way RS-232, and it works perfectly well.

It sounds to me like there isn't some control problem in your system that would require the equipment we're discussing. If there were, you would know it by now!

I am concerned, however, about your intended use of the Q50 and the Niles unit. When you say the Niles unit is just the "IR part of the equation," I don't quite understand. Sorry, but maybe I just don't know how that unit works. If what you mean is that it receives the signals and simply passes them on to the components, I don't think the Q50 is apt to work with it. The Q50 is designed to work specifically with the NC-50 in these configurations- it sends commands via z-wave to the NC-50, which then communicates with the various devices using whatever protocol (IR or serial) has been set up. How specifically do you expect the Q50 and the Niles IR unit to interact?

hmmmm--maybe I'm confused... :(
If the q50 sends IR signals like any other remote, all the Niles unit does(which i believe any other unit would like it) is take the signal and pass it on to its base and ir flashers then send those commands via flashers to each individual unit. the ir eye is by the tv which connects to the base unit in the closet. that's how i control my devices now---although i use my denon 3808's remote to control all the devices.

now on the other part---what exactly does 1 way or 2 way rs232 offer? that's the part i dont get? specifically what would it do that simple IR cant handle?

hmmmm--maybe I'm confused... :(
If the q50 sends IR signals like any other remote, all the Niles unit does(which i believe any other unit would like it) is take the signal and pass it on to its base and ir flashers then send those commands via flashers to each individual unit. the ir eye is by the tv which connects to the base unit in the closet. that's how i control my devices now---although i use my denon 3808's remote to control all the devices.

now on the other part---what exactly does 1 way or 2 way rs232 offer? that's the part i dont get? specifically what would it do that simple IR cant handle?

To answer your last question first, the best thing would be to look at the serial commands for any component you'd consider for serial control. If there's nothing there you want/need, then it's a moot point. The serial protocol and command set for Denon's products are posted on the document page for each product. (Denon does, in fact, offer pretty extensive IR command sets, and it sounds like you've been perfectly happy with them.)

To give one example of where serial control might be preferred, I'll use my Pioneer TV: All of the various picture, sound, and aspect modes can only be accessed directly through serial commands; using IR, you navigate through the menu system to select them. Should I want macros for very specific situations, say watching old B&W movies or those garish 70s action flicks, where I prefer TV picture settings I don't normally use, I can create a one-button solution to set all equipment just the way I want it for those situations. Then quickly set it back when I'm done. This is the reason I want serial control of my TV- other people may not care about these applications and serial control would be a waste of time and money for them.

I should note that some users feel that serial control is more reliable and stable than IR, but I don't know whether that is true.

Based on your description of the Niles unit, maybe it'd work just fine, assuming a receiver unit can reliably pick up IR signals and simply blast them out of a transmitter unit. In that scenario, you'd program the Q50 as if it's controlling the devices directly, its commands would be repeated by the Niles base unit, and the Q50 would never even "know" about the Niles equipment. A principle difference with the NC-50 is that it is programmed as part of the Nevo "ecosystem," and you program within NevoStudioPro what it should do with specific commands (i.e., it can direct them out of any of its seven IR ports, and of course, they can also be sent as serial commands). Another difference is that the z-wave communcation between the Q50 and the NC-50 means you don't have to point the remote at anything; some people like that, others wouldn't care at all.

Progprog,

Thanks for the quick response. The RS232 guide for the Denon transport states the transfer format of the transfer data to be ASCII code. That translation table could come in handy though! Also, in the Denon Device properties in NevoStudio there is an option to set the serial communication settings "format" to ASCII or HEX.

Being my first time working with serial communication coding I could really use a tutorial however the Nevo documentation is absent of any helpful info (they assume one would already have the knowledge I guess)...

Yeah, I think Nevo assumes we took their training and already know this stuff. :rolleyes: I know what you mean about the Denon documentation, as I have the same thing. I was just pointing out that Nevo has ackowledged this "bug" in NSP, where it can't process those serial strings that use both ASCII and HEX characters. They want you to translate the ASCII portions (the command and parameter parts) into HEX. Here's their description:

Mixed HEX/ASCII RS-232 commands are not supported in NevoStudio Pro
Overview: Some devices include both HEX and ASCII characters in their RS232 command strings (i.e. – Pioneer Displays, etc.) When importing RS-232 command strings into NevoStudio Pro which are composed of a mix of HEX/ASCII characters, the commands fail to function properly. Solution: When entering RS-232 command strings which have a mixture of ASCII / HEX characters, the ASCII should be converted into RAW hex and input as HEX into NevoStudio Pro. ** - Be sure to include the original hex and any delimiters required for the commands as specified in the manufacturers documentation. Our developers are investigating this issue and will post more information on the website as it becomes available.

Yeah, I think Nevo assumes we took their training and already know this stuff. I know what you mean about the Denon documentation, as I have the same thing. I was just pointing out that Nevo has ackowledged this "bug" in NSP, where it can't process those serial strings that use both ASCII and HEX characters. They want you to translate the ASCII portions (the command and parameter parts) into HEX. Here's their description:

Mixed HEX/ASCII RS-232 commands are not supported in NevoStudio Pro

Overview: Some devices include both HEX and ASCII characters in their RS232 command strings (i.e. – Pioneer Displays, etc.) When importing RS-232 command strings into NevoStudio Pro which are composed of a mix of HEX/ASCII characters, the commands fail to function properly. Solution: When entering RS-232 command strings which have a mixture of ASCII / HEX characters, the ASCII should be converted into RAW hex and input as HEX into NevoStudio Pro. ** - Be sure to include the original hex and any delimiters required for the commands as specified in the manufacturers documentation. Our developers are investigating this issue and will post more information on the website as it becomes available.

Thanks Prog. I just reviewed another manufacturers Serial Command specs (the LG42LC7D) looking for some insight and it has a very comprehensive serial command section. Makes the Denon RS232 guide look Chinese.

I am confused...so due to the involvement of alphanumeric command values in command lines (for Power On the command is "20h"...h being the Hex character) I need to convert all to Hex. So 20h converted to Hex would be 32 30 h???

I am also thinking that the input format for the command line in the NSP Denon RS232 device settings is:

<STX> <CC> <PC0> <PC1> <PC2> <-----> <PCn> <ETX> <BCCH> <BCCL>

so for the Power On command, according to Page 13 in the Denon DVD-2500BTCI Serial Command Guide, I would need to type in the following:

<02h> <SP> <00h> <00h> <00h> <00h> <00h> <03h> <high-level> <low-level>

converted to all Hex

<%30%32%68> <%53%50> <%30%30%68> <%30%30%68> <%30%30%68> <%30%30%68> <%30%30%68> <%30%33%68> <%68%69%67%68%2D%6C%65%76%65%6C> <%6C%6F%77%2D%6C%65%76%65%6C>

Not sure if the "<>" are needed and if the Hex character "%" is really a space....nor am I sure of what the H$%^ I am doing ( :

To confuse matters more, checkout an RS232 input command sample at mynevo:

http://www.mynevo.com/kbase/users/kb.php?id=10100&category_id=22&sid2=

Looks like a mix of ASCII and Hex to me. So perhaps the command line input format for "Power On" for the 2500BTCI would be:

02h SP 00h 00h 00h 00h 00h 03h high-level low-level

Not sure what "high-level" and "low-level" are or if they are correct...seems a little strange...

Not sure if the "<>" are needed and if the Hex character "%" is really a space....nor am I sure of what the H$%^ I am doing ( :

LOL! God, do I know that feeling! I don't think you want the "h" in there, as its purpose was to tell you those characters were already HEX. I had all these questions myself, as both my Pioneer TV and Denon pre-pro have these mixed commands. The way I am going about it is to deal with the TV first, as I was able to find a Nevo config file for a similar model on remotecentral. I'm loading these commands so I don't have to start from scratch, and hopefully, I can quickly figure out exactly what the formatting should look like. I'm going to start testing it tonight. Right now, I think the two bit HEX characters, separated by spaces, is the way to go, but I won't know that for sure til I try it.

To confuse matters more, checkout an RS232 input command sample at mynevo:

http://www.mynevo.com/kbase/users/kb.php?id=10100&category_id=22&sid2=

Looks like a mix of ASCII and Hex to me. So perhaps the command line input format for "Power On" for the 2500BTCI would be:

02h SP 00h 00h 00h 00h 00h 03h high-level low-level

Not sure what "high-level" and "low-level" are or if they are correct...seems a little strange...

What the hell?? Those LG commands look bizarre to me, and yeah, definitely look like a mix. What are you referring to with "high-level" and "low-level?" I must have missed something.

Well, best laid plans.... Just went to attach the serial module and discovered my TV also has a male connector. :mad: I guess I need a "null adapter." Back to the drawing board.

Well, best laid plans.... Just went to attach the serial module and discovered my TV also has a male connector. I guess I need a "null adapter." Back to the drawing board.

Yes, I had to make two trips to my local electronics store for a "NULL" modem cable and for a gender changer...my Pioneer Plasma needed the Null and the Pioneer receiver the gender changer...

Regarding the "high-level" and "low-level", the Denon RS232 documentation gave the command input value for <BCCH> as "high-level" <BCCL>as "low-level"...don't ask (page 5 in the Denon 2500BTCI RS232 documentation)

I gave up trying to input RS232 commands for the Denon as I realized my only real need for RS232 was to be able to delve out discrete power on/off commands but as it turns out, IR on this unit allows for this. So I I had NSP configure all the IR for me and am currently testing it out and it is working well.

The other two devices that I was going to use serial control on, the Pioneer Elite receiver and Pioneer Elite TV, ALSO offer discrete on/off via IR so I may just end up going that route as there seems to be so much room for error with the RS232 programming.

On another note, I have two other devices that do not have RS232 ports so I was going to use IR on them. They also did not seem to offer discrete on/off commands so I was going to also use Nevo's video sensors on both to ensure proper macro command functionality (the sensors would ensure something does not turn off when it should be turned on). However, while the devices did not openly advertise discrete on/off (there is only a "POWER" button on each of their remotes) after using the mynevo database to download the IR codes for both of them, I noticed I had discrete on/off functionality available for both devices! Pretty cool that NEVO has databases of these "hidden" IR codes!

ANYWAY, all this has seemingly pushed my plans for RS232 control out of the picture. Now if I had a front end system like a HAI that communicates with all these devices via serial commands, then I would not have a choice...alas, there is no HAI in my immediate future...

I don't think you want the "h" in there, as its purpose was to tell you those characters were already HEX

Good point! I did email a fellow at remotecentral as he seemed to know a lot about RS232 and the S70 as well as John (who probably thinks I am insane by now) over at mynevo. Will post their suggestions.

Yes, I had to make two trips to my local electronics store for a "NULL" modem cable and for a gender changer...my Pioneer Plasma needed the Null and the Pioneer receiver the gender changer...

Regarding the "high-level" and "low-level", the Denon RS232 documentation gave the command input value for <BCCH> as "high-level" <BCCL>as "low-level"...don't ask (page 5 in the Denon 2500BTCI RS232 documentation)

I gave up trying to input RS232 commands for the Denon as I realized my only real need for RS232 was to be able to delve out discrete power on/off commands but as it turns out, IR on this unit allows for this. So I I had NSP configure all the IR for me and am currently testing it out and it is working well.

The other two devices that I was going to use serial control on, the Pioneer Elite receiver and Pioneer Elite TV, ALSO offer discrete on/off via IR so I may just end up going that route as there seems to be so much room for error with the RS232 programming.

On another note, I have two other devices that do not have RS232 ports so I was going to use IR on them. They also did not seem to offer discrete on/off commands so I was going to also use Nevo's video sensors on both to ensure proper macro command functionality (the sensors would ensure something does not turn off when it should be turned on). However, while the devices did not openly advertise discrete on/off (there is only a "POWER" button on each of their remotes) after using the mynevo database to download the IR codes for both of them, I noticed I had discrete on/off functionality available for both devices! Pretty cool that NEVO has databases of these "hidden" IR codes!

ANYWAY, all this has seemingly pushed my plans for RS232 control out of the picture. Now if I had a front end system like a HAI that communicates with all these devices via serial commands, then I would not have a choice...alas, there is no HAI in my immediate future...


Hey, if IR offers all the commands you want, serial is probably more of a headache than it's worth. Unfortunately, I really want some of the discrete commands that are only available with serial control for my TV and Denon, so I have to plow ahead.

You know, these days, most components do have discrete power commands, as well as a variety of others that you don't get on the stock remote. It's always worth looking to see what your options are.

You mentioned the null and gender changer adapters you had to get. Now you have me worried, as I thought a null adapter WAS a gender changer. I spent quite awhile this evening disassembling a couple serial connectors I had lying around and re-wired them into a gender changer. Maybe that it isn't what I need? :( Crap. I'll look into it, but if you get a chance, let me know what the difference is. Thanks!
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PS: I'm very curious about how those serial modules work. Whenever I make a cable or connector, I always do a resistance check with an ohms meter, just to make sure my connections are solid. Well, in doing that with my gender changer, it worked fine, but I discovered that there is no continuity between any of the pins of the DB9 connector and the miniplug on the other end of the serial module. So what the heck is happening inside that thing? Anyone care to speculate?

You mentioned the null and gender changer adapters you had to get. Now you have me worried, as I thought a null adapter WAS a gender changer. I spent quite awhile this evening disassembling a couple serial connectors I had lying around and re-wired them into a gender changer. Maybe that it isn't what I need? Crap. I'll look into it, but if you get a chance, let me know what the difference is. Thanks!

The gender changer simply changes the gender of the cable, not the pinout...you still have a straight through cable as you did prior to the gender change (pin 1 to in 1, pin 2 to pin 2, etc). See:

http://www.camiresearch.com/Data_Com_Basics/RS232_standard.html

and view the diagram a little wys down the page entitled "1 - DB9 All-Line Direct Extension"

A Null modem cable is NOT a straight through cable where pin 2 on one end is wired to pin 3 on the other. Here is a nice explanation

http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/info/RS-232_null_modem.html

I am pretty sure the null modem configuration you should be looking at is the "Null Modem without Hand Shaking" with the three termination points down the page a little. This diagram may also help you with your DB9 to 1/8" fabrication woes.

They are not too expensive to buy, perhaps it would be easier just to purchase than to fabricate. However, I understand your desire to make your own cables...it is indeed very gratifying. I make all my RCA and XLR interconnects myslef with high quality Mogami cable and neutrik termination. That reminds me I need some more solder!

And BTW, a nice chap from Remotecentral was willing to help me out with the Denon RS232 commands:

Hey Kent,

This is fairly straight forward. The Denon needs either all ASCII or all HEX sent to it from which ever control product you are using.

In HEX it would be this format:

POWER ON - 02 20 00 00 00 00 00 03
POWER OFF - 02 21 00 00 00 00 00 03
PLAY - 02 40 00 00 00 00 00 03

Hope this help you on your way to understanding more about RS232 commands.

I don't consider myself an expert - its just I've done a few now and kinda understand how the protocols and formulas need to be laid out.

Cheers,
Drew


Am definitely going to try them out!

Hey, my serial test commands worked on the first try!! After all the trouble with the cable, that was the last thing I expected. But I'm happy.:)

And FWIW, serial control does indeed seem faster. It's very stable and I already like not having to point the Nevo at the TV. I wish more of my components, especially the TiVo, offered serial control. Now on to the Denon processor......

Wow! Great! For which product?

You should not have to point the remote at your gear even with IR as the NC50 is handling all the IR distribution for you.

I am going to ty out the Denon RS232 commands...

Wow! Great! For which product?

You should not have to point the remote at your gear even with IR as the NC50 is handling all the IR distribution for you.

I am going to ty out the Denon RS232 commands...

I started with the Pioneer plasma. It's great- there are lots of discrete picture, screen size, and sound codes that I can access directly instead of having to pull up a menu and navigate to them. I really like that I'll be able to make one-button macros for particular viewing situations. Another little touch I like is that I can program the volume control to ramp up/down as fast as I want. I know that sounds pointless, but having every push make it jump, say +2 or 3, makes volume changes feel much more responsive and efficient. I can't wait to get to the Denon processor now!

In my case, I intend to put the NC-50 behind the TV, out of sight. So IR control of other devices will be through blasters, or hardwire IR for my BD player. I'm assuming they should work fine, but they're just ugly and that approach doesn't hold the promise of cool discrete codes I don't already have in the IR set. :( The reason I mentioned the TiVo is that it's especially directional; a button that sends a 663 channel command can easily miss a digit if you don't point it right. (I suppose I could always put a second NC-50 in the back of the room, aimed toward the gear rack....? hmm)

Keep me posted on your progress with the BD transport....

They are not too expensive to buy, perhaps it would be easier just to purchase than to fabricate. However, I understand your desire to make your own cables...it is indeed very gratifying. I make all my RCA and XLR interconnects myslef with high quality Mogami cable and neutrik termination. That reminds me I need some more solder!

Thanks for the explanations. It turns out I reasoned right when I made my adapter. Yes, it certainly would be easier to buy the adapter, but it was 8pm and the nearest Fry's is 30 minutes away. I wanted it NOW! :mad:

You and I think alike! I make my interconnects as well, with exactly the same components.

Thanks for the explanations. It turns out I reasoned right when I made my adapter. Yes, it certainly would be easier to buy the adapter, but it was 8pm and the nearest Fry's is 30 minutes away. I wanted it NOW!

You and I think alike! I make my interconnects as well, with exactly the same components.

Lucky for me there is a brand new huge Fry's right over the hill. Unfortunately they NEVER seem to have items in stock when I need them! I do love fabrication...now if I could only figure out how to make my own HDMI cables ( ;

Which Pioneer plasma did you have success with? I will also need to program serial commands for the PRO-150FD..I was thinking I would only need around 6 or 7 codes for it (each input, power on/off, picture control, aspect ratio control, setup menu, cursor movement) really as the Pioneer VSX-94TXH Receiver (which I also need to program for serial) will handle all the sound. I too am interested as to how I can program slick volume control for that unit as I have dealt with clunky volume control on universal remotes for years!

BTW, how do I "punch through" the pioneer receivers volume command to each of the device screens so whenever the volume button is depressed, it always sends volume commands to the receiver, regardless of what device page you are on?

Will let you know how it works out! I have around 8 total devices in the system with RS232 so I have some programming ahead of me. I was thinking of maybe adding a NevoConnect...as I THINK that allows for you to plug the Nevo system into a network..which then can be accessed/controlled from a computer on the network or even from off-site? I too was thinking of adding a second NC50 unit to this configuration (I am pretty sure you can have multiple NC50's for one remote yes?) as I am needing more ports!

Lucky for me there is a brand new huge Fry's right over the hill. Unfortunately they NEVER seem to have items in stock when I need them! I do love fabrication...now if I could only figure out how to make my own HDMI cables ( ;

People do actually make HDMI cables using cat5 or 6 cable, but I've never tried it.

Which Pioneer plasma did you have success with? I will also need to program serial commands for the PRO-150FD..I was thinking I would only need around 6 or 7 codes for it (each input, power on/off, picture control, aspect ratio control, setup menu, cursor movement) really as the Pioneer VSX-94TXH Receiver (which I also need to program for serial) will handle all the sound. I too am interested as to how I can program slick volume control for that unit as I have dealt with clunky volume control on universal remotes for years!
That's perfect! There is an RS-232 code set for the PRO-150 on remotecentral. I have the 151, and there have been some changes so I had to add & delete a bunch of them for my use. Anyway, just load this configuration, save the plasma232 device into your Nevo personal library, and then delete the configuration.
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/files/dl.cgi?file=nevosl/devices/tv/pio-tv-pdp5010fd.zip&area=nevosl

BTW, how do I "punch through" the pioneer receivers volume command to each of the device screens so whenever the volume button is depressed, it always sends volume commands to the receiver, regardless of what device page you are on?Go to master page of your configuration, and put the commands you want onto the remote's volume buttons. Then, in all the pages that you want to "inherit" these commands, make sure that Volume is set to YES in the "Inheritance from Master Page" section of the properties window for that page. You can also make this same concept more specific, assigning buttons to the main page of particular devices as well.


Will let you know how it works out! I have around 8 total devices in the system with RS232 so I have some programming ahead of me. I was thinking of maybe adding a NevoConnect...as I THINK that allows for you to plug the Nevo system into a network..which then can be accessed/controlled from a computer on the network or even from off-site? I too was thinking of adding a second NC50 unit to this configuration (I am pretty sure you can have multiple NC50's for one remote yes?) as I am needing more ports!Yes, you can add lots of NC-50s if you want to. I think they actually make the z-wave network more robust as well. And yes, with your remote, you are supposed to be able to get into your network. I use the Q50, so I don't have that feature. It sounded pretty cool, and I considered waiting for the S70, but I really like having the added keys so I think it was the right choice for me.

That's perfect! There is an RS-232 code set for the PRO-150 on remotecentral. I have the 151, and there have been some changes so I had to add & delete a bunch of them for my use. Anyway, just load this configuration, save the plasma232 device into your Nevo personal library, and then delete the configuration.
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin...ip&area=nevosl


Thanks however it looks to be RS232 codes for the PDP-5010FD?

Now that I think about it I can get quality HDMI cables from Monoprice on the cheap so forget fabricating those!

Thanks for the info...loks like I will be adding another NC50 to the setup!

The command lines for the 5010FD look nuts! Litle symbols at the front and end of the line plus no End Delimiter set. However, if it worked for your 151FD I am assuming it will work for my 150!

The command lines for the 5010FD look nuts! Litle symbols at the front and end of the line plus no End Delimiter set. However, if it worked for your 151FD I am assuming it will work for my 150!

Yeah, I'm still a little perplexed about the ASCII/HEX thing. I think the weird symbols are ASCII translations of HEX, meaning those are basically just ASCII strings. I know for certain that they actually work, so Nevo's stated requirement that combination strings must be converted to HEX is incomplete; they just have to be all one or the other. BTW, if you change the format to "HEX" in that little drop-down, it converts them perfectly to the formats we've been discussing, like the examples Drew gave you. Though I didn't try it, my guess is they'll work just fine that way too.

You're right on the TV- I was just mixing up model numbers. :o But most of the commands are the same as those for our TVs. I just downloaded the serial protocol pdf from Pioneer and used it to edit the 5010 command set, and they all work great.

How's progress with the Denon? I'm away from home this weekend, so not working on my configuration, but I want to get to it ASAP when I return. I might try putting the Denon codes into a spreadsheet tomorrow, then figuring out how that "Import Serial Commands" function works. Ideally, I could create an empty device and dump them in all at once. :cool:
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PS: Something that massively blows about NSP is that it won't run on my Vista 64-bit laptop, my primary computer. So I have to do all my config work on a desktop at home that isn't even close to the HT. :mad: What a pain.

Just ordered a Q50 and anxiously wanting to get started while I wait for it to be delivered. Anyone have a link to NevoStudioPro that I could use to start working on my configuration? Thanks in advance.

Just ordered a Q50 and anxiously wanting to get started while I wait for it to be delivered. Anyone have a link to NevoStudioPro that I could use to start working on my configuration? Thanks in advance.

I think your question got erased in the "lost week" around here! There's kind of Catch-22 with the program: you can't access the file area on nevo.com until you have registered, and you can't register until you actually have the software. :rolleyes: And it's too big a program to email, so I think you're just going to have to be patient. You will find, though, that you pick it up very quickly, as it's a very easy and intuitive program. So don't worry about not getting headstart.

When you do get it, be sure to register as an installer or dealer in order to have full access to the Nevo online resources.

Well I couldn't find a thread to talk about my new Q70 so I figured I would post in here until someone got one up. I have had my Q70 for about a week and love it NSP is very easy, but I cant find codes to use for Vista Media Center. I have a consumer IR on my new Intel DG45ID. I have found the WiFi a terrific feature though and can watch and control my PTZ network camera. I run a home automation company so this will hopefully be my all in one control solution. Price isn't that bad when your buying like me. I can pick them up for $700. If anyone has any ideas on the VMC Please let me know.

Well I couldn't find a thread to talk about my new Q70 so I figured I would post in here until someone got one up. I have had my Q70 for about a week and love it NSP is very easy, but I cant find codes to use for Vista Media Center. I have a consumer IR on my new Intel DG45ID. I have found the WiFi a terrific feature though and can watch and control my PTZ network camera. I run a home automation company so this will hopefully be my all in one control solution. Price isn't that bad when your buying like me. I can pick them up for $700. If anyone has any ideas on the VMC Please let me know.

Well, a couple suggestions. There is, in fact, a new S70 owners' thread. You just might not be seeing it because the Nevo threads don't get much traffic around here.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1037924

As for specific code searches, try remotecentral.com. Once you get used to navigating there, a ton of codes and information are available.

P.S. Be careful if your price quote was a wink-wink solicitation for customers. Price talk aside from MSRP is not permitted on the forums.

I cant find codes to use for Vista Media Center. I have a consumer IR on my new Intel DG45ID. If anyone has any ideas on the VMC Please let me know.Terry, in NevoStudio Pro, go to model based setup, Microsoft, any, media center. Lots of codes for you to use...

Terry, in NevoStudio Pro, go to model based setup, Microsoft, any, media center. Lots of codes for you to use...

Thank you, the problem was I didn't have documentation on the CIR Header. I didn't know it was in the BIOS. I turned it on in there, but ended up with other problems (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14528985#post14528985).
I will be in the Nevo Q70 thread from here on out. Thank you again,

I have a brand new Q50 which when turned on only displays the Nevo name and the logo but never seems to really start up.
I could not find a reference to a factory reset in the manual.

Isn´t there a combination of:
turn on while holding down key a + key b and stand on one leg only?

rgds
tim

I have a brand new Q50 which when turned on only displays the Nevo name and the logo but never seems to really start up.
I could not find a reference to a factory reset in the manual.

Isn´t there a combination of:
turn on while holding down key a + key b and stand on one leg only?

rgds
tim

If I recall correctly, that's what the Nevo does before you put a configuration into it. Have you done that yet?

P.S. I think you might be standing on the wrong leg. ;)

Just to add a little clarification, the first two things you do with a Q50 are put the little side switch to the the ON position (not the middle position), and connect in NSP to check/update firmware. If you haven't done that yet, try it and report back on how that goes.

Thanks
I was standing on the right leg ;) but had the switch only on the middle position which kept it from connecting.

But now when doing the firmware update I get stuck: All goes well until I am supposed to switch off and then on again while pressing a button.
I tried restarting while pressing down the jogwheel - no reconnect only blank screen.
Same result with holding down the button below the jogwheel.
Only way back is to restart the Q50 while pressing down the reset button at the same time. I guess this is the famous RESET.

But what´s the trick for the Firmware upgrade?

Thanks
I was standing on the right leg ;) but had the switch only on the middle position which kept it from connecting.

But now when doing the firmware update I get stuck: All goes well until I am supposed to switch off and then on again while pressing a button.
I tried restarting while pressing down the jogwheel - no reconnect only blank screen.
Same result with holding down the button below the jogwheel.
Only way back is to restart the Q50 while pressing down the reset button at the same time. I guess this is the famous RESET.

But what´s the trick for the Firmware upgrade?

No trick, really. It's just kind of quirky. The first time I did a firmware update (with my first Q50), it went flawlessly. The recent update on my second Q50 was not so fun. It kept hanging (seemingly) in the middle of the process, and I had to start over several times. But in the end, it did finally complete the entire update.

Try running through it a couple more times and see if it makes any progress. I believe the latest firmware is version 4.0.5.0, if that helps. I'll be around for awhile tonight, so let me know if any questions arise as you try to complete it.

BTW, what "reset" button are you referring to when you say you restart the Q50 while pressing down the reset button?

The button on the back just below the ID sticker. Can be pressed with the tip of the stylo while switching the device on with the side switch.

What button should I press for the firmware upgrade?
Jogwheel or the one below ?

The button on the back just below the ID sticker. Can be pressed with the tip of the stylo while switching the device on with the side switch.

What button should I press for the firmware upgrade?
Jogwheel or the one below ?

Boy, I'd steer clear of that back reset switch. I've never used it and I've never even heard anyone recommend using it.

Basically, here's the general instruction for the firmware update process:

1. Turn off the Q50 off and disconnect the USB cable.
2. Turn it back on while pressing and holding the scrollwheel on the right side of the remote.
3. Reconnect the USB cable and use the firmware update wizard in NSP to flash the firmware.

Now, some users have found that holding the scrollwheel longer, even throughout the first stage of the update process, has worked. Personally, I doubt that matters, but there you have it. As I mentioned before, I've had the process kind of "hang" about halfway through, but it did eventually complete.

I don't want to scare you, but you should be a little careful, as there is apparently no basic firmware permanently installed in the Q50's processor. (If I'm saying that right.) What I mean is that if the basic OS gets corrupted, there's no RESET that reverts it back to factory default status.

Thanks
Finally got it to work. You were right, it took several attempts to get through the whole procedure.
Now comes the programming.

Hi,
I have been using the Q50 for several months now and was wondering what kind of battery time you get before having to recharge your remotes? I can only seem to get two nights of limited use before I have to plug into the usb cable I ran to my HT seat or back in the charging cradle. Also, on my home page when I first try to power on my components the first press of an button does nothing but, on the second push all works well.......is this normal? TIA

For those of you who have dealt directly wih Nevo over a warranty issue (I have a non-functioning backlight on my hard keys), what phone number or email address did you use? I can't find any info on their web page........