seams barco is first out with the new jcv 4k pr.:)

form the pictures you can see its the jvc pr. but it has some
diferences like the light out.
jvc still say 3500 lumen barco say "till" 4500 lumen?

NO HDCP:eek::eek::eek:

for more infos see this link or down.
http://www.barco.com/Presentation/en/products/product_specs.asp?element=4068

LX-5 technical specification
Light output
4,500 lumens
Contrast ratio
> 10,000:1 contrast ratio
Resolution
4,096 x 2,400 pixels (10Mp)
Display technology
LCoS
Lamps
Lamp
800W Xenon
Lamp lifetime (typical)
Warranted 750 hrs - max 1,500 hrs
Dimensions
Weight
Body only: 50kg / 110 lbs
Height - width - length
390 x 660 x 830 mm
15.35” x 25.99” x 32.67”
Lenses
Available zoom lenses
TLB HB (1.5 - 1.9:1) included
Available fixed focal lenses
TLB HB (1:1)
Features
Special features
Up to 4 picture-and-picture data and images
Adjustable color temperature
High dynamic range compatible
Inputs and outputs
Inputs
4x dual DVI-D (up to 12 bit)
Communication ports
RS232 in/out on D9
RJ45 (10/100 Base-T Ethernet)
USB port
Compatibility
Data
Computer graphics formats VGA, SVGA, XGA, SXGA, UXGA,
1080p HD, 2K up to 4K and 10MP
Safety
Safety regulations
UL 60950
CE compliant
RoHS and WEEE compliant
Power
AC power
100 - 240 VAC/50-60 Hz
Max. power consumption
1500 Watt
Order info
Order info
LX-5 R9011220

seams barco is first out with the new jcv 4k pr.:)

form the pictures you can see its the jvc pr. but it has some
diferences like the light out.
jvc still say 3500 lumen barco say "till" 4500 lumen?

NO HDCP:eek::eek::eek:

for more infos see this link or down.
http://www.barco.com/Presentation/en/products/product_specs.asp?element=4068

LX-5 technical specification
Light output
4,500 lumens
Contrast ratio
> 10,000:1 contrast ratio
Resolution
4,096 x 2,400 pixels (10Mp)
Display technology
LCoS
Lamps
Lamp
800W Xenon
Lamp lifetime (typical)
Warranted 750 hrs - max 1,500 hrs
Dimensions
Weight
Body only: 50kg / 110 lbs
Height - width - length
390 x 660 x 830 mm
15.35” x 25.99” x 32.67”
Lenses
Available zoom lenses
TLB HB (1.5 - 1.9:1) included
Available fixed focal lenses
TLB HB (1:1)
Features
Special features
Up to 4 picture-and-picture data and images
Adjustable color temperature
High dynamic range compatible
Inputs and outputs
Inputs
4x dual DVI-D (up to 12 bit)
Communication ports
RS232 in/out on D9
RJ45 (10/100 Base-T Ethernet)
USB port
Compatibility
Data
Computer graphics formats VGA, SVGA, XGA, SXGA, UXGA,
1080p HD, 2K up to 4K and 10MP
Safety
Safety regulations
UL 60950
CE compliant
RoHS and WEEE compliant
Power
AC power
100 - 240 VAC/50-60 Hz
Max. power consumption
1500 Watt
Order info
Order info
LX-5 R9011220

Sounds promising but the lack of HDCP is a problem. Guessing it will be at CEDIA ?

Art

Since this is meant as a simulation projection, doubt Barco will care to add on HDCP, well unless NEC do make that input ;)

no you can purchase it now.

no need to wait art:)

i call barco and they tell me if i order one i will get it next month.
price is very high.

barco also confirm the 4500 lumen.
jvc say only 3500 till today.

i will get a demo in my rooms very likely in febr.08

no you can purchase it now.

no need to wait art:)

i call barco and they tell me if i order one i will get it next month.
price is very high.

barco also confirm the 4500 lumen.
jvc say only 3500 till today.

i will get a demo in my rooms very likely in febr.08

Wolfgang,
Please be sure to give us your impressions and some measurements. Are you at liberty to say how high regarding the price ?

Art

hi art

please pm me but after this post i am some days not here.
have to leave now....

wolfgang

Since this is meant as a simulation projection, doubt Barco will care to add on HDCP, well unless NEC do make that input ;)

It is listed under corporate AV on the link Wolfgang provided, not Simulation. Still no incentive to add HDCP.

Barco sourcing OEM projectors where has the world come to;-).

It is listed under corporate AV on the link Wolfgang provided, not Simulation. Still no incentive to add HDCP.

Barco sourcing OEM projectors where has the world come to;-).

Well this is not the first time :D Years ago there's Graphic4000 which is OEMed from panasonic and after that Barco built their own two lamp projector's design. I believe the next LCOS series projector will be based from the SIM7 series

Will Gemedis come-up with a higher res panel? The current one used by Barco and SEOS is uxga.

Will Gemedis come-up with a higher res panel? The current one used by Barco and SEOS is uxga.

QXGA you mean - SIM7D and SIM7Q 2048x1536 . SIM7H - 1920x1080

Yup, didn't want to look it up, and probably wasn't quite awake either. Hmm, 05.17 already, better shutt down this computer;-). How's breakfast in +7 hours territory, LOL.

Wolfgang,
Please be sure to give us your impressions and some measurements. Are you at liberty to say how high regarding the price ?

Art


yes art.
i can say that list price is almost double the sim2 5000 list price!
but that can be diferent in us and i never pay list price
for my last 5 pr.:)

yes art.
i can say that list price is almost double the sim2 5000 list price!
but that can be diferent in us and i never pay list price
for my last 5 pr.:)

I understand Wolfgang, it does help to have a starting point for reference though. :)

Art

yes art.
i can say that list price is almost double the sim2 5000 list price!
but that can be diferent in us and i never pay list price
for my last 5 pr.:)

The list price on those Christies seemed inflated to me, as the HD 8K 'maximum price our sellers may ask' at introduction was (well) into the D-Cinema range pricing. The 5K (6K) was 20K Euro less, and the notch filter would add either 5K or was it 8K to the regular projector's price. All ex-VAT.

yes art.
i can say that list price is almost double the sim2 5000 list price!
but that can be diferent in us and i never pay list price
for my last 5 pr.:)

Would that 80-90K euro be in or excluding VAT? Barco would list their products excluding VAT, but you might have already added it in you mind.

Well.....have you gotten the Barco LX-5 to test yet? I am anxious to know the findings....

Anybody got any further info on that 5K x 2K Meridian branded projector that was supposed to be demoed in Seattle. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13996834#post13996834?

This seems to be it http://www.definitive.com/, yet to take place, I see. Accroding to the wording on the website it seems to be the same (little over) 4K chip as used by JVC/Barco, so nothing extraordinary there.

Art:

I wouldn't get too excited, if the Barco LX5 is the JVC4K then it will be useless for home theater applications. For home or personal use, the JVC 4K is available exclusively from Meridian Audio. The Pro JVC 4K is calibrated for the simulation market not home theater so it would need to be optimuzed for home theater.

Lastly and most importantly, the JVC4K has only a short throw lens for the 4K, since that's what simulation requires, no other lens option is available. The long throw lens is only available from Meridian.

The Merdian 4K will be optmized by William Phelps

The above may only be for JVC US, it may not be applicable outside the US

I have seen the JVC 4k and it cannot hold a candle to the dlp Barco's in terms of image dynamics (ansi), apparent resolution (still a bit on the soft side) and colorimetry.

Where this projector shines is in recreating tiny little runway lights on a flight simulator from 66-7 miles away on a landing.

We did a z lamp adjustment on the barco at helene and it went from 15 foot lamberts to 23, there is tremendous vibrancy to the image . The LCOS does not have that punch.

The JVC Pro 4K projector will be available for the US in the home theater market. One well known baseball player in NY is scheduled to be receiving one as soon as it's available.

I do not beleive that to be the case, are you sure it is not a Meridian?

Not unless the Manuf. Rep for JVC Pro is incorrect. I'm sure for that kind of money it will happen. Money talks. Maybe JVC Pro will switch it around. Maybe it will be a Meridian modified unit? But there was no mention of it at time. We'll see what shows up. :D

Let us know, I am pretty sure only short throw lens option for JVCPro

CINERMAX
Half joking and half seriously I ask what kind of gamma setting the JVC used when you viewed the projector. With all the recent accounts of how much the image changes with the RS2 going from a standard 2.2 to a 2.4-2.5 I thought I should ask.

If William Phelps could provide a custom gamma of 2.4, his known uniformity tweak and calibrated colors it should have potential. Peter it even has a xenon lamp! :)

Do we know the speced lumens for the Meridian.

art

Do we know the speced lumens for the Meridian.

art


3000 actual

3000 actual

Thats 28fL @ 18ft.......not too shabby.

CINERMAX
Half joking and half seriously I ask what kind of gamma setting the JVC used when you viewed the projector. With all the recent accounts of how much the image changes with the RS2 going from a standard 2.2 to a 2.4-2.5 I thought I should ask.

If William Phelps could provide a custom gamma of 2.4, his known uniformity tweak and calibrated colors it should have potential. Peter it even has a xenon lamp! :)

I think we'll be seeing some nice S shaped curve options on some of these new units.

Yeah Yeah.

But it does not come with one of these:

its not top priority for me to see this unit side by side with the
big barco dp 2000 because

-i need to solve some problems with the dlp pr. and that can take 4 weeks.
-i need to work bit more with my cinema server i got and all the material i have.
-my doctor told me step down a bit and i know how many action always that tests have

than i also get used to the good 35 ftl on my 7m screen and if the 4k have in best case
3500 lumen i end up with 12 ftl with a new lamp and soon much less than 10 ftl.:mad:

when you get used to such a level off ftl i dont know anybody that can go back to a dimm picture and dimm means for me 20 ftl and less.
i thought when i got this big barco cinema dlp it will be to bright for 2d movies because the min.
i can have with a new lamp if i dim the 4000 watt xenon max. down ist about
35 ftl.but now i feel bad if i have not more than 30 ftl!!!

i reach now almost 100 hours and i now increase the lamp power from 2400watt to about 2700 watt to keep it at 35 ftl:)

and one reason more is for me how good the barco can do in full 2048x1080
my 3d still pictures flicker free at 144hz.
this picture looks so good with the cristal eye shutter that i do not think
only the 4 times resolution makes such a advantages if
you have so many disatvantages if you like to do 3d without the dlp system.

Wolfgang:

Are you using a DCI cinema server?

Let us know, I am pretty sure only short throw lens option for JVCPro

Barco advertised it for both front projection use as well as part of a rear-pro package.

Wolfgang:

Are you using a DCI cinema server?

yes a dormemi dcp 2000

3000 actual

Lon ,
Where did you get that ?

Art

A little birdie told me.

A little birdie told me.

Is that as good as a fly on the wall ?;)

Art

I was on my way back from seeing a man about a horse

I'm real interested in seeing how good the new Sony 4K unit looks. My concern is the lumens. With a 700 to 800 watt lamp it should be able to do 2000 lumens unless to get decent sequential contrast it requires a major stopped down iris.



Art

Once they have a home cinema compatible model I'm interested (>= 30000:1, HDMI in as well, internal high end upsampling from 1080p to 4K, <= 2000 Lumen).

I can't wait for the day you are finally satisfied, it will be followed by a lunar eclipse and unexplained tidal changes, no doubt.

I'm real interested in seeing how good the new Sony 4K unit looks. My concern is the lumens. With a 700 to 800 watt lamp it should be able to do 2000 lumens unless to get decent sequential contrast it requires a major stopped down iris.



Art

What is know so far about the NEW Sony 4k? Price and specs at all?

update about hd cp.

seams the 4k jvc pr.now have hd cp at all 4 dvi input and that means barco will have it as well:)
but the unit only understand progressiv inputformats no interlace.

for interlace you need a scaler.

nice!

Where is a 2k to 4k scaler? JVC did not have one at CEDIA they were playing a mix 2k and 4k content upconverted to 4k and 4k graphics.

Only Meridian has a scaler working... It's pretty good.

I like this technology for 3D because 3D is best served close.

there is no need for a scaler as the barco/jvc 4k pr. can scale everything
from 720x480 to 1920x1080 resolution in progressiv to
4k.

ach so. I did not know.That is great. The JVC looked fine at CEDIA.

So the reason meridian is doing a scaler is because they are using a larger piece of the panel with anamorphics;10mp?

Would two of these be compatible with the new blue ray 3-D format?

This projector seems like it may be Vaporware. Nothing to be found about it.

http://www.barco.com/presentation/en/products/product.asp?GenNr=1904

Why buy Barco when you can get the JVC straight from the horse's mouth?

Specs appear identical.

Why buy Barco when you can get the JVC straight from the horse's mouth?

Specs appear identical.

I would imagine a potential service delta.

There may many be other reasons too, such as selected units, improved software etc. Im not saying there are, but you cant make a judgment on a limited spec sheet alone.

They would do well to add a few more lens choices to the mix, as Meridian appears to be doing. Specifically long throw.

Offically at least JVC wasn't selling them till recently, Barco launched its version to the European market at the beginning of the year, so for a while the Belgian's were the only source.

Hopefully quality control is better than what Wolfgang experienced, shipping projectors with a known issue, without informing the buyer (pin 37 issue he mentioned), and a problematic light engine...

Hopefully quality control is better than what Wolfgang experienced, shipping projectors with a known issue, without informing the buyer (pin 37 issue he mentioned), and a problematic light engine...

I've been hearing a number of reports regarding Barco's QC and particularly thier reliability and service. Christie certainly seem to have a clear superiority in that area

I imagine the JVC SH4k picture but with the Barco image quality, it's a very special touch. NUANCE.

I don't expect any reliability issues beyond those endemic to the JVC version.

There was a huge breakfast shootout with all the major DCI players at Showeast and the Barco's Doby 3d blew the Christie's Real D out of the convention center.

If you want the barco image superiority but are concerned about a failure, then buy two.:):D That is the only way to do High contrast high lumen 3d.

http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/IMG_0605.jpg

Here is the LX-5 3d stack in rear projection...
http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/images/CadWall_big.jpg

You see what I have been saying with 3D and rear projection, imagine a 16' by 9' 4k rear screen image. That is the ultimate 3d rig. I want one...