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thor0298

01-17-08, 02:32 PM

i also have and hd dvd play and a panny upconvert dvd player
does the ps3 just play grainy? the pixar movie was pristine so
i would think that it isnt the set up. but i could be wrong. i have
only tried spiderman 3 and pixar shorts.
i have a 42 inch panasonic plasma.

Gordon Shumway

01-17-08, 02:34 PM

The demo I saw of S3 at a local store was also somewhat grainy...just a nature of the beast sometimes...some movies are grainer than others...some love the "purity" of it, others hate it and want it to look like video (as in sports games etc).

sswingle

01-17-08, 02:39 PM

Grain comes from the film. If anything, HD will show grain more than SD, rather than less.

As far as grain goes, spiderman 3 has nothing compared to other titles. Check out Oceans 13.

thor0298

01-17-08, 02:41 PM

i saw spidey 3 on demo at best buy and didn't see grain. maybe i should try another movie

Donnie Eldridge

01-17-08, 02:43 PM

Not this again....:(

thor0298

01-17-08, 02:47 PM

im just asking a question
thats all
i did search before and read the other thread
there was NO useful info there

Donnie Eldridge

01-17-08, 02:49 PM

Really? Try reading again.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=938160&highlight=grain

robertc88

01-17-08, 02:50 PM

This has to be the most of any BD on amazon for used copies and rather cheap also. Maybe content more than quality but still.

Chris Rein

01-17-08, 02:51 PM

It's the movie. And it's not enhanced to hell either.

You connecting via HDMI?

What are your settings in the PS3? There's a good thread in here on what settings to use.

Try a different movie, and use the Tier thread as a rule of thumb, and not a be all end all for presentation.

thor0298

01-17-08, 02:52 PM

30XS955 User

01-17-08, 02:53 PM

I think what happened with Spiderman 3 is that they added digital grain to scenes which were CG or CG enhanced. This was a very bad call.

thor0298

01-17-08, 02:57 PM

that could be i see it more pronounced in scenes that would be cg
anyone know the thread name for setting up ps3
i searched for that

Chris Rein

01-17-08, 02:57 PM

BluRayFreak

01-17-08, 02:59 PM

You'll get a lot of that around here...some people say that a movie looks pristine, and somebody will come right back and say that it's the worst transfer that they've ever seen.

Spidey III looked amazing to me. I think most, if not all, movies have some grain in them and a lot of times it's intentional on the part of the film maker. Personally, I like some grain in movies as it gives it that "film" like quality. Movies nowadays seem to look more like computer graphics than anything else. I get turned off quickly if a movie is too "polished".

Look through the various threads for some ideas on movies that are good eye candy. If you're looking for something with no grain in it, good luck ;)

yes i read it again
half the people say there is half say there isnt
i would say it looks significantly WORSE that
my upconverted dvd of spidey 3
so could someone maybe recommend a movie that
is good quality or at least something helpful
yes i am using hdmi

thor0298

01-17-08, 03:03 PM

Donnie Eldridge

01-17-08, 03:05 PM

GamerGuyX

01-17-08, 03:08 PM

Grain is a part of film. Seeing it is a good thing because it ensures that no DNR was applied.

thor0298

01-17-08, 03:11 PM

galapagos
king kong
-any animated one, shrek, happy feet
the kingdom
bourne ultimatum
mi3
batman begins
v for vendetta

once again, spidey 3 looked bad not quite unwatchable but close

Chris Rein

01-17-08, 03:12 PM

well i was hoping someone could recommend one THEY personally saw
i will try pirates and mr brooks

my hd dvds have no grain in new movies
my point was that dvds looked better
so i think that something is wrong

I have personally seen a good majority of the films on the list I gave. That list was created by members of this forum. As I said, a guideline, not a hard and fast rule of "the best" ever.

Mr. Brooks looks amazing. I did watch that on my PS3.

What movies do you have on HD-DVD with no grain? My guess is you don't own Miami Vice (which I own and love, and think the transfer is fantastic as it is true to the master). I'm interested to see/hear your list.

As for the settings, this is what most people say is "best" for the PS3 if you meet the requirements.

BD / DVD Settings

BD / DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) - Auto
BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI) - On

Display Settings

Video Output Settings: Auto
RGB Full Range (HDMI): Limited
Y Pb / Cb Pr / Cr Super-White (HDMI): On

Chris Rein

01-17-08, 03:13 PM

galapagos
king kong
-any animated one, shrek, happy feet
the kingdom
bourne ultimatum
mi3
batman begins
v for vendetta

once again, spidey 3 looked bad not quite unwatchable but close

One other thing, I'm not familiar with your TV, but most people have separate settings for each input. Did you calibrate your set based on the new input your PS3 occupies?

Just a thought.

thor0298

01-17-08, 03:14 PM

thanks ill try these settings when i get home
i very much appreciate it
i rented mr brooks on dvd
i thought it was great

iceperson

01-17-08, 03:24 PM

don't feed the troll in the little red hat.

Gordon Shumway

01-17-08, 03:27 PM

don't feed the troll in the little red hat.

:confused::confused:

tutelary

01-17-08, 03:28 PM

well i was hoping someone could recommend one THEY personally saw
i will try pirates and mr brooks

my hd dvds have no grain in new movies
my point was that dvds looked better
so i think that something is wrong

laughable. dvds DO NOT look better. You simply can't see the grain because the resolution is lacking. your hd dvds have the same grain, saying they don't is stupid.

please don't point out computer animated films like shrek for not having grain :rolleyes:

kami

01-17-08, 04:00 PM

People complaining about grain is like all the people complaining about black bars back in DVD's infancy - at least that's how I see it. That led to fullscreen releases. Could we someday see "DNR" releases? God I hope not. :)

Just like black bars, let me see the movie as director & DOP intended, thanks.

fareedrizkalla

01-20-08, 08:12 PM

At least he kept this thread going so long.

khanmotorsport

01-20-08, 08:17 PM

don't feed the troll in the little red hat.

not everyone who doesn't think blu-ray is the jesus of the video world is a troll.

iceperson

01-20-08, 11:22 PM

not everyone who doesn't think blu-ray is the jesus of the video world is a troll.

there's a difference between thinking it's the "jesus of the video world" and coming to the blu ray forum and saying hd dvd looks better...

Lebronze

01-20-08, 11:39 PM

galapagos
king kong
-any animated one, shrek, happy feet
the kingdom
bourne ultimatum
mi3
batman begins
v for vendetta

once again, spidey 3 looked bad not quite unwatchable but close

man, you have to be joking. I used to be more of a hd-dvd supporter than blu-ray, but cmon now.

Spiderman 3 DOES NOT have more grain than The Kingdom or Bourne Ultimatum.

I know this because I own all of the movies you listed, and compared them to Spiderman 3.

The only difference is that Spiderman 3 is an awful movie, while Bourne Ultimatum is a great movie.

liquidsense

02-17-08, 06:59 PM

I have also found that SM3 looked overly grainy and noisy to me.

I recently purchased the PS3 w/ SM3 for my Pioneer Kuro 5080. I properly set up the PS3 and the TV in accordance with a "master" thread on PS3/Kuro-5080 settings in the plasma area. I threw in SM3 and was really disappointed. My girlfriend and I both thought the PQ was just horrible. I found that the PQ lacked the same type of clarity that I had seen in other HD movies and content outputted by my Dish stb.

Unfortunately, I don't currently have other blurays to compare against, other than Black Hawk Down, which I also thought was grainy and noisy. Ratchet and Clank looks excellent.

I agree with some other posters that both SM3 and Blackhawk Down looked like SD simply upconverted. There was no wow factor at all.

Now, I know not to expect that the PQ will look like, for example, the Grammy's, which was absolutely immaculate and crystaline -- most movies aren't intended to look like live/raw footage, I think.

But what really gets me is that SM3 is ranked as having some of the best PQ out of all blurays (see http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=10733385&postcount=1). I think the noise I see is totally acceptable, but to call SM3 one of the best really boggles my mind. Which, leads me to believe that something is either wrong with my PS3 or my disc - is this even possible? Has anyone heard of a bad disc? What about a bad PS3?--could Ratchet & Clank look fine, but not movies?

I've checked my HDMI cable (which is directly connected), I've tried swapping it out, I've tried different inputs, and most importantly, I have the ps3 and the tv properly setup in accordance with a "master" thread, and I have tried messing with the settings all day.

I have many more blurays on their way, including Planet Earth -- which I think, will give me some insight into the issue, as I am aware of what I should be expecting from the PQ, since I've seen it many times through my stb.

Ignoring the red push brought about by my camera, is this what peoples SM3 looks like in this particular scene? Which I thought was particularly crappy looking. I mean, is this the "best"? I really hope not.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8016/spidermanud3.jpg

tutelary

02-17-08, 08:06 PM

I have also found that SM3 looked overly grainy and noisy to me.

I recently purchased the PS3 w/ SM3 for my Pioneer Kuro 5080. I properly set up the PS3 and the TV in accordance with a "master" thread on PS3/Kuro-5080 settings in the plasma area. I threw in SM3 and was really disappointed. My girlfriend and I both thought the PQ was just horrible. I found that the PQ lacked the same type of clarity that I had seen in other HD movies and content outputted by my Dish stb.

Unfortunately, I don't currently have other blurays to compare against, other than Black Hawk Down, which I also thought was grainy and noisy. Ratchet and Clank looks excellent.

I agree with some other posters that both SM3 and Blackhawk Down looked like SD simply upconverted. There was no wow factor at all.

Now, I know not to expect that the PQ will look like, for example, the Grammy's, which was absolutely immaculate and crystaline -- most movies aren't intended to look like live/raw footage, I think.

But what really gets me is that SM3 is ranked as having some of the best PQ out of all blurays (see http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=10733385&postcount=1). I think the noise I see is totally acceptable, but to call SM3 one of the best really boggles my mind. Which, leads me to believe that something is either wrong with my PS3 or my disc - is this even possible? Has anyone heard of a bad disc? What about a bad PS3?--could Ratchet & Clank look fine, but not movies?

I've checked my HDMI cable (which is directly connected), I've tried swapping it out, I've tried different inputs, and most importantly, I have the ps3 and the tv properly setup in accordance with a "master" thread, and I have tried messing with the settings all day.

I have many more blurays on their way, including Planet Earth -- which I think, will give me some insight into the issue, as I am aware of what I should be expecting from the PQ, since I've seen it many times through my stb.

Ignoring the red push brought about by my camera, is this what peoples SM3 looks like in this particular scene? Which I thought was particularly crappy looking. I mean, is this the "best"? I really hope not.

Its film grain. Get over it. Theres no mystery problem. "Good" quality is reflective to how well the home theater experience replicates what was seen in theaters, NOT that it is some uber pristine clean image, as that is not what film looks like. Films will vary widely. If you want uber pristine, buy Ratatouille.

AmishFury

02-17-08, 08:39 PM

laughable. dvds DO NOT look better. You simply can't see the grain because the resolution is lacking. your hd dvds have the same grain, saying they don't is stupid.

yeah it's one thing that throws quite a few people... most well known example being 300... someone pops it in forgetting the fact that the movie is heavily stylized so they expect super sharp demo material and they get disappointed

grain is a fact of life... either learn to love it or live with blurred details and waxy looking skin from transfers getting some serious DNR treatment (speaking of DNR which release of pan's labyrinth wasn't molested?)

SheepFactory

02-17-08, 08:50 PM

Are those of you complaining about film grain never seen a movie in your life at the movie theatre i wonder? Grain is a characteristic of film stock. If it is shot on film there WILL be grain unless the studio runs some grain removal filters during the transfer which makes it look crappier imo.

MySassyGirl

02-17-08, 09:28 PM

My Transformers HD-DVD had grains in them too. The Superman 3 had some as well.

Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray have good ones with no grains and some with bad ones.

If one claim that HD-DVD has no grain, then one is full of BS...and vice versa.

liquidsense

02-17-08, 09:33 PM

Good. Frankly, I'm glad people finally just gave it to me straight. I've got people in other threads trying to help me troubleshoot (and of course I appreciate that) -- but none really get to the real issue, which I now think is my fundamental misunderstanding that movies are not intended to look like Grammy type programming. And perhaps a bigger misunderstanding was that blurays are placed in the Tier 0 category not because they are crystaline clear, but because of a whole lot of factors, none of which necessarily have to do with clarity/crystal-true-to-life.

But, for the love of god, Planet Earth better wow me.

Also, tutelary and sheepfactory, is that sample picture from my tv what it looks like on yours too (ignoring the red push)?

AmishFury

02-17-08, 10:14 PM

another thing to keep in mind is calibration can fix some issues... if the calibration is off in the right ways it can make grain look much more obvious (my tv has a "vivid" setting which is simply brighter with a touch too much contrast... it really makes grain show up... great setting for games but absolute **** for movies)

JB72

02-18-08, 12:15 AM

IMHO SM3 did have more grain than I expected. But it wasn't ridiculous.

PQ certainly varies scene to scene but personally I was really blown away by some ("now THAT's HD" moments.)

JE3146

02-18-08, 12:59 AM

mhafner

02-18-08, 05:27 AM

Unlike SM1 and SM2 SM3 has little grain. If the grain is in your face all the time your system is miscalibrated.

brentsg

02-20-08, 04:01 PM