Hey All,

There is only a small group of people who've seen both the PB12-NSD and the MWF-15 in person... which looks nicer?

I'm very interested in both of these subs, and whichever I buy it's going into my living room so the WAF is pretty important.

Is the MWF-15 somewhat glossy? It's hard to find any good pictures of the MWF-15 in black besides these:

http://av123forum.com/showthread.php?t=27472

And the pictures of the PB12-NSD that I can find from SVS show it to have a bit of a matte finish.

Man, I wish craigsub had gotten been able to test the "new" version of the PB12-NSD before shutting down his operation... that might have made things a little easier.

Thanks,

Bob

MWF-15 according to the ranking destroys pb12 in sound in every way. They're both black boxes, difference in looks is negligible. But if looks are that important to you, mwf-15 can be bought with one of wood veneer choices, for an extra $100.

, mwf-15 can be bought with one of wood veneer choices, for an extra $100.

..so can the PB..

..so can the PB..

Actually, you have to get to the Plus series for veneer...White, Black or Silver for the NSD.

MWF-15 according to the ranking destroys pb12 in sound in every way.

But wasn't that the older version of the PB12 that craigsub ranked? The newer version gets better reviews...

PB12 NSD Black (Vinyl)
http://www.dvdplaza.fi/galleria/data/954/0065.jpg

MFW-15 Satin Black (Wood)
http://salescentricmarketing.com/the%20twins%20(Medium).JPG

But wasn't that the older version of the PB12 that craigsub ranked? The newer version gets better reviews...

Still, there's no way in hell it will match mwf-15 if it was ranked accurately

Looking at the pictures ( above ) gives me a few crazy ideas. Imagine offering a leather front baffle on the MFW-15 with a grill resembling the look of the Sonus Faber Cremona line ?

Just an idea. :D

--Regards,

Looking at the pictures ( above ) gives me a few crazy ideas. Imagine offering a leather front baffle on the MFW-15 with a grill resembling the look of the Sonus Faber Cremona line ?

Just an idea. :D

--Regards,

That's a good idea. I would even suggest removable skins like those ipods or iphones. SVS gets it right when it comes to the matching grills of their white, silver and black subs. When I buy a speaker or sub of a certain color, I want the whole thing to be that color including the grill. I just don't understand the obsession with that ordinary, trite, mass-market, low-end black color. Speaker manufacturers might give you different colors for the speakers but the grill always give you black grills.

That's a good idea. I would even suggest removable skins like those ipods or iphones. SVS gets it right when it comes to the matching grills of their white, silver and black subs. When I buy a speaker or sub of a certain color, I want the whole thing to be that color including the grill. I just don't understand the obsession with that ordinary, trite, mass-market, low-end black color. Speaker manufacturers might give you different colors for the speakers but the grill always give you black grills.

Hmm, I see your point, but making it all ONE color would kinda look weird imo. I think say, a wood grain sub with a black grill looks awesome.

Thanks OUMoneyMan for that other picture... I didn't realize that the SVS was that black textured vinyl.

But wasn't that the older version of the PB12 that craigsub ranked? The newer version gets better reviews...

If you can wait for 2 months plus go for MFW-15. If you want a sub now go for PB12-NSD.

You won't be dissappointed with PB12-NSD.

Sounds like good advice, thanks all :)

Torsion, Based on Ikkas CEA-2010 max clean RMS output compilation at HTshack "new PB12-NSD"
looks very impressive.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-tests/5748-cea-2010-standard-compilation-new-information.html

All new PB12-NSD tests at htshack. THey are pretty stunning for a $600 sub.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-tests/8151-svs-pb12-nsd-new.html

Just for fun and some information, in the early stages of development, the MFW-15 was conceived with interchangeable fronts. Photo taken back in late 2006.
The idea is still floating around :)
(If this post is not OK according to the mod, sorry and hit the "delete" button, Mr. Mod ;)).
I'm Mark's partner in his plant in South America.
Santiago

I'm shocked that pdadi provided a link to Illka's tests on hometheatershack. Shocked I tell you. :rolleyes:

Just for fun and some information, in the early stages of development, the MFW-15 was conceived with interchangeable fronts. Photo taken back in late 2006.
The idea is still floating around :)
(If this post is not OK according to the mod, sorry and hit the "delete" button, Mr. Mod ;)).
I'm Mark's partner in his plant in South America.
Santiago

While this is a great idea that I am sure many stylish people will appreciate, I think an interchangeable grill, if not too costly, is even more effective. A piano black speaker, for example, will look stunning with a glossy white, red, or green grill. That's my idea of beauty anyway. The point is AV equipments can and should look as beautiful as they sound

Torsion, Based on Ikkas CEA-2010 max clean RMS output compilation at HTshack "new PB12-NSD"
looks very impressive.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-tests/5748-cea-2010-standard-compilation-new-information.html

All new PB12-NSD tests at htshack. THey are pretty stunning for a $600 sub.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-tests/8151-svs-pb12-nsd-new.html

Do you mean they stun the 350, the knight and the mwf-15 ?

Do you mean they stun the 350, the knight and the mwf-15 ?

May be not based on one mans ranking. I have already mentioned if OP can wait MFW-15 is the way to go at the same time PB12-NSD will give your choices
run for their money. Let somebody else come ikka type of testing results then I
will agree.

I eventually bought a PB12-NSD, and it looks better in my room than the picture above would indicate. The finish is black textured vinyl, but it's quite tasteful and durable.

Very pleased with the look. :)

How's is sound?

I'm pleased with the sound... deep and clean, though I don't have much to compare it to.

AV123 is starting to produce their diamond finish on their latest products.

Check out the diamond black MFW15 at the end of this short video :eek:

http://s204.photobucket.com/albums/bb202/mlschifter/?action=view&current=Diamonds.flv